Invitation to all strokes
Jammer Six
years.
Come up here, and we'll dive.
I'll buy accomodations for all of us for next weekend aboard the luxury
liveaboard Nautilus Explorer, and we'll go to Port Hardy.
Not only the finest diving in the world, but we can all eat, dive, and
talk diving.
For this weekend, on this boat, I invite all of you to put aside all
the crap that goes on on this newsgroup, and listen to any theory any
of you want to put forward.
Spare Airs? Bring it. TransPac? Bring it. We'll talk about the pros and
cons of anything you want.
This can be your chance to convince me that there are other ways
besides DIR.
There's only room for 26, so sign up now.
--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Brian Wagner
>
> This is an open invitation to all those I've disagreed with over the
> years.
>
> Come up here, and we'll dive.
>
> I'll buy accomodations for all of us for next weekend aboard the luxury
> liveaboard Nautilus Explorer, and we'll go to Port Hardy.
>
would it have killed you to have given more than one week's
notice?
RAL2OOO
John Francis
Do you get bitten much looking those gift horses in the mouth?
Join the group for some dive chat.
http://work.thecrusaderbbs.com/rec.scuba/
Click "join" and let Java do the work
Lee Bell
> This is an open invitation to all those I've disagreed with over the
> years. Come up here, and we'll dive. I'll buy accomodations for all
> of us for next weekend aboard the luxury liveaboard Nautilus
> Explorer, and we'll go to Port Hardy.
Either this is a counterfeit message, Jammer won the lottery or there truly
is a God in Heaven. If it's real, then damn it man, why couldn't you do it
someplace warm. I'd love to come. Unfortunately, I can't. Good luck and
good diving.
Lee
Udo_NYC
Sir Lee;
You and your darn warm water diving... ;-)
Hope you're doing well!
Oh, I, too, believe that this was Jammer's April Fools thang...
Udo
Jammer Six
<brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
€Sounds like fun, and incredibly generous - very commendable - but
€would it have killed you to have given more than one week's
€notice?
When would you like to come, Brian?
I'll make special arrangements for you.
Brian Wagner
>
> Do you get bitten much looking those gift horses in the mouth?
>
Only when there's a snowball's chance in hell of actually
receiving the gift.
Check your calendar, John.
John Francis
I knew the date already. It was your sense of humour that caught me,
again.
johncoot
Bring on the Scholars shouts Victoria Jealouse!
she is ecstatic.
The course has been set for Grand Canaal!
if you can find us you can compete reports mc.
Top Fuel hydros begin time trials for snow boarding on BC Turf.
bring on the gurls ,
Brian Wagner
>
> When would you like to come, Brian?
> I'll make special arrangements for you.
But then I'd miss all the gang!
I may actually be in the neighborhood this summer.
If I am, I will, of course, come bearing limericks.
mike gray
Awwwww, crap!
Now I'm stuck with non-refundable cross country tickets!
Pmcduffee
>Message-ID: <a8a4dc$q8m$0...@216.39.146.232>
>This is an open invitation to all those I've disagreed with over the
>years.
>
>Come up here, and we'll dive.
>
>I'll buy accomodations for all of us for next weekend aboard the luxury
>liveaboard Nautilus Explorer, and we'll go to Port Hardy.
>
>Not only the finest diving in the world, but we can all eat, dive, and
>talk diving.
>
>For this weekend, on this boat, I invite all of you to put aside all
>the crap that goes on on this newsgroup, and listen to any theory any
>of you want to put forward.
>
>Spare Airs? Bring it. TransPac? Bring it. We'll talk about the pros and
>cons of anything you want.
>
>This can be your chance to convince me that there are other ways
>besides DIR.
>
>There's only room for 26, so sign up now.
Book it Jammo (:))
Pat
--
I Call you My Friend, because You are My Friend.
Rich Lockyer
>This can be your chance to convince me that there are other ways
>besides DIR.
>
>There's only room for 26, so sign up now.
Nice tax refund this year ehh?
What dates are you talking about?
Do I still qualify even though I'm no longer diving a stab jacket and
short hose?
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Rich Lockyer
I'd be up for something perhaps this summer.
Hell... I've been known to DRIVE as far as Portland just to play
guitar with friends for 3 days... no telling what I'll do to dive! :)
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Rich Lockyer
wrote:
>Awwwww, crap!
>
>Now I'm stuck with non-refundable cross country tickets!
Change them to SoCal and we'll dive the Yukon.
But not this weekend.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Jammer Six
<rloc...@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote:
€What dates are you talking about?
When do you want to go?
€Do I still qualify even though I'm no longer diving a stab jacket and
€short hose?
Sure! Come on, drive up!
Lee Bell
remotely qualified to dive dry. Mostly it's because I'm expecting delivery
of a new (different, not really new) in the next week or so and that has
first claim on all available funds. There's a limit to what I wife will let
me spend and I've pretty much reached it.
I can not imagine the "bent" post is for real. There's too many things
wrong. Jammer may not be perfect, but losing track of a buddy AND making a
rapid enough ascent to get bent is a bit much to accept, even if he's only a
cyber diver, which I don't think is the case. I hope it's not for real.
Being bent is no fun at all.
Lee
"Udo_NYC" <u...@hydronautics.org> wrote in message
news:3CA8B2CF...@hydronautics.org...
Rich Lockyer
wrote:
>I can not imagine the "bent" post is for real. There's too many things
>wrong. Jammer may not be perfect, but losing track of a buddy AND making a
>rapid enough ascent to get bent is a bit much to accept, even if he's only a
>cyber diver, which I don't think is the case. I hope it's not for real.
>Being bent is no fun at all.
Losing the buddy would require the fast ascent if he was OOA, which I
find hard to believe, or if his reg failed, which I find almost as
hard to believe... escpecially if he's diving a proper doubles config
or a single with an H-valve.
Unless he normally relies in his buddy to supply him with air for the
ascent and safety stop.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Christopher Painter
"Rich Lockyer" <rloc...@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
news:3cb29b57...@news.linkline.com...
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:56:33 -0500, "Lee Bell" <lee...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> Losing the buddy would require the fast ascent if he was OOA, which I
> find hard to believe, or if his reg failed, which I find almost as
> hard to believe... escpecially if he's diving a proper doubles config
> or a single with an H-valve.
I dont know the dive site in question but someone made it sound very
shallow. If its that shallow, why would you need doubles?
Chirs
Brian Wagner
Which part of "or a single with an H-valve." escaped you?
Christopher Painter
escaped me. I did some research and max depth at Edmunds is around 40fsw.
At that depth you should be able to easily get 45-60 minutes of bottem time
in, and if the shit hits the fan use your buddy or do a CESA. I really
don't see the point of lugging around doubles with an H valve and redundant
regulators at 40'.
Chris
"Brian Wagner" <brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote in message
news:3CAB2F68...@cle.philips.com...
Paul Schilter
And a good April Fool to you also. ;-)
Paul
"Jammer Six" <jam...@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
news:a8a4dc$q8m$0...@216.39.146.232...
Brian Wagner
>
> You can be an arrogant asswipe all that you want, but the fact is nothing
> escaped me. I did some research and max depth at Edmunds is around 40fsw.
> At that depth you should be able to easily get 45-60 minutes of bottem time
> in, and if the shit hits the fan use your buddy or do a CESA. I really
> don't see the point of lugging around doubles with an H valve and redundant
> regulators at 40'.
1. He said SINGLE with H-valve. Your last sentence, which reads
"doubles with an H valve" clearly indicates that it STILL escapes
you. If you want to get indignant about your reading
comprehension, it would help to actually demonstrate some.
2. Jammer is nothing if not a staunch defender of and adherant to
DIR, and thus, it is doubtful he would deviate from DIR
requirements.
Christopher Painter
> Christopher Painter wrote:
> 1. He said SINGLE with H-valve. Your last sentence, which reads
> "doubles with an H valve" clearly indicates that it STILL escapes
> you. If you want to get indignant about your reading
> comprehension, it would help to actually demonstrate some.
How kind of you to misquote him to try to make me look like I can't read..
He really said 'a proper doubles config ' *OR* ' a single with an H-valve.'
And at that point I asked what is the point of diving doubles on a max depth
of 40'. His actual post is quoted below for you.
"Rich Lockyer" <rloc...@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
news:3cb29b57...@news.linkline.com...
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 08:56:33 -0500, "Lee Bell" <lee...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> Losing the buddy would require the fast ascent if he was OOA, which I
> find hard to believe, or if his reg failed, which I find almost as
> hard to believe... escpecially if he's diving a proper doubles config
> or a single with an H-valve.
> 2. Jammer is nothing if not a staunch defender of and adherant to
> DIR, and thus, it is doubtful he would deviate from DIR
> requirements.
Jammer may very well have DCS, and for this matter I'm not going to
criticize him or DIR in this thread. I wish him the best of luck.
Chris
Rich Lockyer
<vze2tnc...@verizon.net> wrote:
>I dont know the dive site in question but someone made it sound very
>shallow. If its that shallow, why would you need doubles?
Jammer is DIR.
Shallow is all the more reason for doubles... I'll spend in excess of
2 hours bottom time using my HP120 hunting for lobster.
If I doubled them up, I'd be shallow enough for 5 hours....
...but my drysuit doesn't have a pee-valve.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Rich Lockyer
<brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
>2. Jammer is nothing if not a staunch defender of and adherant to
>DIR, and thus, it is doubtful he would deviate from DIR
>requirements.
Right up to the point where he lost contact with his buddy.
At that point, had he died, DIR would still be able to claim zero
fatalities because he was not DIR. :)
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Kevin Nugent
> If I doubled them up, I'd be shallow enough for 5 hours....
>
> ...but my drysuit doesn't have a pee-valve.
Then don't drink coffee during the dive. Easy. :)
Kevin
Greg Mossman
news:oXNq8.1337$dH1...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> Jammer may very well have DCS, and for this matter I'm not going to
> criticize him or DIR in this thread. I wish him the best of luck.
Why don't you simply wish his old lady's phone number was written on his
tanks so you can ask her out when they drag his body back up? He'd do the
same for you. And don't forget to grab his lunch too.
GHorn82707
>
>Shallow is all the more reason for doubles... I'll spend in excess of
>2 hours bottom time using my HP120 hunting for lobster.
>
>If I doubled them up, I'd be shallow enough for 5 hours....
>
>
>...but my drysuit doesn't have a pee-valve.
>
>
>
> --- Rich
> http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
George R Horn
Owner Scuba Divine
Horn's Cycle Service
Brooklyn, NY
(718) 647 1089
www.scubadivine.com
Christopher Painter
"Greg Mossman" <nossp...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pvRq8.2574$8T.6...@news3.news.adelphia.net...
I'm sorry Greg, as much as I've disagreed with Jammer in the past, I'm just
not going to kick him when he's down.
Chris
Brian Wagner
>
> "Brian Wagner" <brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote in message
> news:3CAB79DB...@cle.philips.com...
> > Christopher Painter wrote:
> > 1. He said SINGLE with H-valve. Your last sentence, which reads
> > "doubles with an H valve" clearly indicates that it STILL escapes
> > you. If you want to get indignant about your reading
> > comprehension, it would help to actually demonstrate some.
>
> How kind of you to misquote him to try to make me look like I can't read..
> He really said 'a proper doubles config ' *OR* ' a single with an H-valve.'
> And at that point I asked what is the point of diving doubles on a max depth
> of 40'. His actual post is quoted below for you.
1. I didn't misquote him. As your quoting below shows, I quoted
him accurately. I didn't quote more than was relevant but what I
quoted was accurate. This is the third thing to escape you.
2. Nothing in the actual post, even with the excess context,
mentions or otherwise alludes to what you repeated - "doubles
with an H valve." We'll go over this slowly for you. He said "a
proper doubles config OR a single with an H-valve." That
describes a choice of TWO (2, count 'em) configurations, one OR
the other. he didn't say "doubles or a single with an H-valve",
he said "a proper doubles CONFIG or a single with an H-valve."
He described a choice of TWO SEPARATE configurations, one of
which includes doubles, and the other of which includes an
H-valve. In no way does this suggest what you said "doubles with
an H-valve." In fact, it isn't rocket science to figure out that
one doesn't use an H-valve with doubles, given that it fits on
one tank, and that it's unnecessary with a "PROPER doubles
config" which would have a manifold capable of the functionality
offered by the H-valve. This is the second thing that escaped
you.
3. Your original response was "If its that shallow, why would you
need doubles?" Clearly, the comment you were responding to
"escpecially if he's diving a proper doubles config or a single
with an H-valve," without any need to consider the implications
of point #2 above, allowed for the use of a single tank, and
thus, neither implied he was using doubles, or suggested the need
for doubles which you questioned. This is the first thing that
escaped you.
> Jammer may very well have DCS, and for this matter I'm not going to
> criticize him or DIR in this thread. I wish him the best of luck.
4. No one suggested criticism of Jammer or DIR. I pointed out
that Jammer's militant adherence to DIR and the DIR doctrine on
alternate air sources more than adequately explain why Jammer
does see the point of redundant regulators and is likely to be
using them, even at 40'. Clearly, no editorializing about Jammer
or DIR was offered, implied, or solicited in that statement, and
this fact is the fourth thing that escaped you.
Care to try for five, or are you mature enough to realize that
you made a minor faux pas by not reading carefully before
replying the first time, and that further attempts to defend the
indefensible, rather than simply face the fact that you made a
mistake (as all humans do from time to time) only serve to
compound the error? The more angry you get, the less sense
you're going to make.
Brian Wagner
>
> Right up to the point where he lost contact with his buddy.
>
Christopher's research (which despite his umbrage at being
corrected on another point, I have no reason to doubt) that he
bent himself in 40 fsw, and that he is unable to control the
speed of a 40 foot ascent.
Christopher Painter
<snip>
Fuck off you dumb shit. Here is what I said: I really don't see where I
said doubles with an H.
I dont know the dive site in question but someone made it sound very
shallow. If its that shallow, why would you need doubles?
Chirs
Christopher Painter
> Assuming that ever happened, which also assumes, based on
> Christopher's research (which despite his umbrage at being
> corrected on another point, I have no reason to doubt) that he
> bent himself in 40 fsw, and that he is unable to control the
> speed of a 40 foot ascent.
I've never assumed that he got bent. His email presented with symptoms of
DCS ( pain and rash ) but only a Doctor can make the determination that he
is really bent. Also my reference to 40' is from a website about the sight
that says the max. depth is around 40' fsw.
You never corrected me on the other point, you just misquoted me and who I
was replying to. I was merely wondering why someone would need doubles on a
shallow site, and I wasn't trying to connect that to any theory on why
Jammer would have had to make an bouyant ascent. ( Buddy seperation, OTA,
equipment failure, ectera. ) You really are reading into my posts way to
deeply.
Someone else posted that doubles would do them well for lobster hunting in
shallow waters. Thats a valid reason which I accept.
Chris
Greg Mossman
> I'm sorry Greg, as much as I've disagreed with Jammer in the past, I'm
just
> not going to kick him when he's down.
Can I have your kick then?
Brian Wagner
> > > criticize him or DIR in this thread. I wish him the best of luck.
> >
> > Why don't you simply wish his old lady's phone number was written on his
> > tanks so you can ask her out when they drag his body back up? He'd do the
> > same for you. And don't forget to grab his lunch too.
>
> I'm sorry Greg, as much as I've disagreed with Jammer in the past, I'm just
> not going to kick him when he's down.
>
kicking him when he's down, it's a matter of respecting Jammer's
wishes. Jammer himself would be severely disappointed if you
don't take Greg's advice, which paraphrase Jammer's own stance on
the appropriate response.
Brian Wagner
>
> "Brian Wagner" <brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote in message
> news:3CAC63ED...@cle.philips.com...
> > Assuming that ever happened, which also assumes, based on
> > Christopher's research (which despite his umbrage at being
> > corrected on another point, I have no reason to doubt) that he
> > bent himself in 40 fsw, and that he is unable to control the
> > speed of a 40 foot ascent.
>
> I've never assumed that he got bent.
There you go again - I never said you did. I merely referred to
your RESEARCH, not assumptions or assertions, as the basis for
the depth, nothing else.
> His email presented with symptoms of
> DCS ( pain and rash ) but only a Doctor can make the determination that he
> is really bent. Also my reference to 40' is from a website about the sight
> that says the max. depth is around 40' fsw.
You mentioned that your source was the web, before, but I have
confidence in your ability to judge your source.
> You never corrected me on the other point, you just misquoted me and who I
> was replying to.
You apparently haven't yet read my correction of that assertion.
> I was merely wondering why someone would need doubles on a
> shallow site,
Something there was no reason to wonder, since Rich never
asserted that he was using doubles.
Apparently, it still escapes you that what was referring to was
that Jammer's adherance to DIR doctrine would dictate that he use
EITHER [a proper doubles config](complete configuration option 1)
OR [a single with an H-valve](totally separate configuration
option 2) on ANY dive, no matter how shallow. It was an allusion
that was completely independent of the dive site, because it was
based on doctrines Jammer holds to that have nothing to do with
the max depth of the dive site.
> and I wasn't trying to connect that to any theory on why
> Jammer would have had to make an bouyant ascent.
I never said you were. I pointed out that nothing in the post
you were responding to required an assumption that he was using
doubles, and thus gave reason to wonder why he was using
doubles. This is escape item #5.
It's like Rich saying Jammer is EITHER a man or a woman, and you
wondering how a woman could post what Jammer does, completely
ignoring that Rich's statement would be completely valid with
Jammer being a man.
Get it?
> You really are reading into my posts way to
> deeply.
Not at all, as I pointed out. You did not read Rich's post
carefully enough, and asked a non-sequitur question in response,
and because I pointed this out in a manner that wasn't dripping
in honey, you got your knickers in a knot and proceeded to try
and argue a false point, and just kept digging deeper.
> Someone else posted that doubles would do them well for lobster hunting in
> shallow waters. Thats a valid reason which I accept.
Except that it's completely irrelevant to the original post
you're responding to, as well as doing nothing to answer why
*Jammer* would be using a single with an H-valve OR doubles
(WITHOUT an H-valve) on the dive in question.
Christopher Painter
> Something there was no reason to wonder, since Rich never
> asserted that he was using doubles.
> Apparently, it still escapes you that what was referring to was
> that Jammer's adherance to DIR doctrine would dictate that he use
> EITHER [a proper doubles config](complete configuration option 1)
> OR [a single with an H-valve](totally separate configuration
> option 2) on ANY dive, no matter how shallow. It was an allusion
> that was completely independent of the dive site, because it was
> based on doctrines Jammer holds to that have nothing to do with
> the max depth of the dive site.
I don't pretend to know the proper DIR config because I'm not a DIR diver.
When I asked my question why you would need doubles on a shallow site, I
meant in general why would you need doubles on a shallow site. I wasn't
asking why Jammer would need doubles, therefore it didn't even enter my mind
what kind of gear select Jammer would be making.
> Not at all, as I pointed out. You did not read Rich's post
> carefully enough, and asked a non-sequitur question in response,
> and because I pointed this out in a manner that wasn't dripping
> in honey, you got your knickers in a knot and proceeded to try
> and argue a false point, and just kept digging deeper.
I did read his message, but my question was exactly just that... why would
*someone* need doubles on a shallow site. Not why would Jammer.
> > Someone else posted that doubles would do them well for lobster hunting
in
> > shallow waters. Thats a valid reason which I accept.
>
> Except that it's completely irrelevant to the original post
> you're responding to, as well as doing nothing to answer why
> *Jammer* would be using a single with an H-valve OR doubles
> (WITHOUT an H-valve) on the dive in question.
So sue me for being off topic. Like that never happens in newsgroups or
rec.scuba. For that matter this whole fucking thread is off topic since it
was started as an April Fools joke with Jammer saying we were all going on
the Nautilus Explorer at his dime.
Chris
Bob Crownfield
dos jammer have to turn his back before you can kick him?
Greg Mossman
news:3CACF6...@cox.net...
> dos jammer have to turn his back before you can kick him?
if he's literally bent he presents a terrific target
Jammer Six
<brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
€Jammer himself would be severely disappointed if you
€don't take Greg's advice, which paraphrase Jammer's own stance on
€the appropriate response.
She Who Must Be Obeyed would only be interested in a Hard Core, Four
Season, Cold Water DIR diver, who understands proper bouyancy.
Like, for instance, Our Own Bad Ass.
Most of you would only embarass yourselves...
Jammer Six
wrote:
€dos jammer have to turn his back before you can kick him?
No, but I'd have to be down.
Otherwise, they'd only be kicking AT me.
--
"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?"
-Sergeant Major Dan Daly
Christopher Painter
> Can I have your kick then?
Sure, you can have my kick, but personally I don't wish DCS even on my
enemies.
Chris
Christopher Painter
>
> She Who Must Be Obeyed would only be interested in a Hard Core, Four
> Season, Cold Water DIR diver, who understands proper bouyancy.
>
> Like, for instance, Our Own Bad Ass.
Ok were waiting for the rest of the story. Does proper bouyancy include
bouyant ascents followed by DCS symptoms?
Chris
Dan Bracuk
:Ok were waiting for the rest of the story. Does proper bouyancy include
:bouyant ascents followed by DCS symptoms?
Yeah, it's right up there with posting to rec.scuba on your way to the
chamber on April Fools Day.
Dan Bracuk
Toronto, Canada
The World Will End at noon tomorrow, 12:30 in Newfoundland.
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John Francis
wrote:
If all you guys start defending Jammer he's gonna puke up a lung, if
he hasn't already.
Jammer Six
Painter <vze2tnc...@verizon.net> wrote:
€Ok were waiting for the rest of the story. Does proper bouyancy include
€bouyant ascents followed by DCS symptoms?
Chris, if you need to ask that question, you probably don't want to ask
her out, whether I'm dead or alive.
chilly
(snip)> compound the error? The more angry you get, the less sense
> you're going to make.
Hmmm, many of us could stand to learn this.
Popeye
>€don't take Greg's advice, which paraphrase Jammer's own stance on
>€the appropriate response.
>
>She Who Must Be Obeyed would only be interested in a Hard Core, Four
>Season, Cold Water DIR diver, who understands proper bouyancy.
>
>Like, for instance, Our Own Bad Ass.
>
>Most of you would only embarass yourselves...
>
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours. (gleefully
plagiarized)
Proper bouyancy for you, missionary position.
Proper bouyancy for me, hundreds of positions. Hundreds.
Since I'll have all the other chores taken care of, what'd you bring for
lunch?
Popeye
His Imperial Majesty
Team 3
Popeye
>Date: 4/4/02 11:04 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Vm9r8.14963$2j3.9...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>
The more angry you get, the more force you can project... :-)
Kinetic energy transfer- the least ambiguous form of communication.
Rudy Benner
"Popeye" <buzcu...@aol.comByte-me> wrote in message
news:20020404231009...@mb-ms.aol.com...
> >?Jammer himself would be severely disappointed if you
> >?don't take Greg's advice, which paraphrase Jammer's own stance on
> >?the appropriate response.
Popeye
>Date: 4/4/02 11:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <cw9r8.23403$un4.3...@news20.bellglobal.com>
>
>Its BUOYANCY.....one more time BUOYANCY, not bouyancy.
>
Alright, alright, I'm drunk. I'll cut and paste from here on out. Christ, I
have to be up in 5 hours.
chilly
"Popeye" <buzcu...@aol.comByte-me> wrote in message
Hmm, so the other night, when the bouncer threw that fellow down the stairs
and I ran down the stairs yelling "stop that! stop that!", whereupon the
bouncer whacked the guy's head against the metal railings for a bit and then
manhandled him out the door where he physically assaulted him some more and
so I grabbed him by the back of the collar and kept tugging and yelling at
him . . . that was kinetic energy transfer?
OldSalt
wrote:
No.... that was just you hoping your date wasn't beaten too badly.
<hoping my dear girlfriend realizes I was joking> :)
Rich Lockyer
wrote:
>> > I'm sorry Greg, as much as I've disagreed with Jammer in the past, I'm
>> just
>> > not going to kick him when he's down.
>>
>> Can I have your kick then?
>
>dos jammer have to turn his back before you can kick him?
Sometimes we aim for the teeth.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Rich Lockyer
<brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
>with an H valve." We'll go over this slowly for you. He said "a
>proper doubles config OR a single with an H-valve." That
>describes a choice of TWO (2, count 'em) configurations, one OR
>the other. he didn't say "doubles or a single with an H-valve",
Ooooh... a very subtle difference which I could very well have typed
while meaning exactly what I DID type.
>an H-valve." In fact, it isn't rocket science to figure out that
>one doesn't use an H-valve with doubles, given that it fits on
>one tank, and that it's unnecessary with a "PROPER doubles
>config" which would have a manifold capable of the functionality
>offered by the H-valve. This is the second thing that escaped
>you.
Hmm... doubles with H-valves on both tanks. That's enough redundancy
to make Irvine cry. Four 1sts, four 2nds, two wing and two drysuit
inflator hoses.
To hell with Irvine... it's make the sales drone at Sport Chalet very
happy when you walk in to buy four TX100s :)
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Rich Lockyer
<vze2tnc...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Fuck off you dumb shit. Here is what I said: I really don't see where I
>said doubles with an H.
You did... but I attributed it to your admitted lack of experience
with tech gear. Most people have never heard of an H valve.
No biggie.
>I dont know the dive site in question but someone made it sound very
>shallow. If its that shallow, why would you need doubles?
More bottom time. If it's that shallow, I'd question someone taking a
deco bottle, but remember, the shallower the dive the more time you
have before reaching NDL. 60 feet or so is where most people can
spend enough time on the bottom to reach NDL on one tank, so if you
are diving shallower than that, why not take more gas with you and
stay down longer?
We're going out there to dive, not to sit on the boat.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Rich Lockyer
<brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
>Rich Lockyer wrote:
>>
>> Right up to the point where he lost contact with his buddy.
>>
>Assuming that ever happened, which also assumes, based on
>Christopher's research (which despite his umbrage at being
>corrected on another point, I have no reason to doubt) that he
>bent himself in 40 fsw, and that he is unable to control the
>speed of a 40 foot ascent.
Here ya go:
V-Planner by R. Hemingway, VPM code by Erik C. Baker.
DIVE PLAN
Surface interval = 2 day 0 hr 0 min.
Altitude = 0ft
Conservatism = Normal, Critical Volume = ON
Dec to 40ft (0) on Air, 100ft/min decent.
Level 40ft 179:36 (180) on Air, 0.46 ppO2, 40ft END
Asc to 10ft (181) on Air, -30ft/min ascent.
Stop at 10ft 14:00 (195) on Air, 0.27 ppO2, 10ft END
Asc to sfc. (195) on Air, -30ft/min ascent.
Off gassing starts at 27.7 ft
OTU's this dive: 0
CNS Total: 0.0%
209.2 cu ft Air
209.2 cu ft TOTAL
Assuming an SAC of 0.50 and sucking his dual 104s dry, he could bend
himself at 40 feet.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
chilly
"OldSalt" <babet...@no-spamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3cad44bf...@news.fast.net...
> >> Kinetic energy transfer- the least ambiguous form of communication.
> >
> >Hmm, so the other night, when the bouncer threw that fellow down the
stairs
> >and I ran down the stairs yelling "stop that! stop that!", whereupon the
> >bouncer whacked the guy's head against the metal railings for a bit and
then
> >manhandled him out the door where he physically assaulted him some more
and
> >so I grabbed him by the back of the collar and kept tugging and yelling
at
> >him . . . that was kinetic energy transfer?
>
> No.... that was just you hoping your date wasn't beaten too badly.
>
> <hoping my dear girlfriend realizes I was joking> :)
LOL, that was the same thing that the bouncer accused me of. However, I had
never seen the fellow before. It was very obvious from the get go that the
boucer was exceeding what was necessary to remove the guy. (I mean, he
threw him down a flight of stairs, fercryinoutloud!) And to keep assaulting
him after the guy was *out* of the building! That's when I really lost it.
My friends just stood there and watched. They didn't even try to stop me.
LOL
There I was hanging off this big brute's back. I wish I had video. Wasn't
too funny at the time, but I bet it would look pretty funny today. Almost
like I love Lucy. giggle
OldSalt
>In article <3CACA410...@cle.philips.com>, Brian Wagner
><brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
>
>€Jammer himself would be severely disappointed if you
>€don't take Greg's advice, which paraphrase Jammer's own stance on
>€the appropriate response.
>
>She Who Must Be Obeyed would only be interested in a Hard Core, Four
>Season, Cold Water DIR diver, who understands proper bouyancy.
>
>Like, for instance, Our Own Bad Ass.
>
>Most of you would only embarass yourselves...
I know a woman or two who fits that bill. Maybe your Old Lady is due
for a change.
OldSalt
wrote:
Sooo.... you got a date with the bouncer then right ?? I mean... if
you liked hanging off his back and all, hell... I'd have had to ask
him to show me more fun like that during a private session !! LOL
Rich Lockyer
wrote:
>Hmm, so the other night, when the bouncer threw that fellow down the stairs
>and I ran down the stairs yelling "stop that! stop that!", whereupon the
>bouncer whacked the guy's head against the metal railings for a bit and then
>manhandled him out the door where he physically assaulted him some more and
>so I grabbed him by the back of the collar and kept tugging and yelling at
>him . . . that was kinetic energy transfer?
That's called "A woman with bigger balls than I".
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
chilly
"Rich Lockyer" <rloc...@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
news:3cc14d47...@news.linkline.com...
:^) That . . . or less good sense. Hard call. (wg)
chilly
No, that won't be happening. The manager had to drag him back upstairs
after he physically threatened me and I was saying, "So what now, tough
guy? Are you going to hit me now? Is that it?" Yup, quite a production.
Should be interesting next time I go back there.
Brian Nadwidny
walking to school.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Popeye
>Hmm, so the other night, when the bouncer threw that fellow down the stairs
>and I ran down the stairs yelling "stop that! stop that!", whereupon the
>bouncer whacked the guy's head against the metal railings for a bit and then
>manhandled him out the door where he physically assaulted him some more and
>so I grabbed him by the back of the collar and kept tugging and yelling at
>him . . . that was kinetic energy transfer?
Yesssss, it was. And in the grand scheme of things do you think the guy who
got his collar pulled or the guy that got dragged down the stairs by his heels
will remember the incident longer?
I was a bouncer for over five years and never once got into a fight. Never.
However. Once when divebud Kevin, who's my general size but trimmer, was
working up at the SkiLodge Bar and I was visiting. A customer, who wasn't
drunk, said something really rude to the waitress and the manager told Kevin to
escort him out. I went along for the ride. Kevin tried every trick in the book
to get the guy to leave quietly, and the guy (who wasn't particularly small)
stood up and punched Kevin in the face without warning. Most of the blow
missed, and Kevin and I attacked the guy like pit bulls. Kevin went for his
throat, I kicked his feet out from under him, and we dragged him out like a
grain sack. He was wearing overalls, for easy handling, silly boy.
We dragged him down two flights of stairs at a running pace, and outside we
stuck his head in a snowbank just like a roadrunner/wiley coyote cartoon. It
was maybe 7 years ago.
And I'm sure he remembers it clearly.
No one was hanging on my neck, however.
Christopher Painter
> More bottom time. If it's that shallow, I'd question someone taking a
> deco bottle, but remember, the shallower the dive the more time you
> have before reaching NDL. 60 feet or so is where most people can
> spend enough time on the bottom to reach NDL on one tank, so if you
> are diving shallower than that, why not take more gas with you and
> stay down longer?
>
> We're going out there to dive, not to sit on the boat.
Sounds great on paper.. but I don't own my own boat. All the boats that I've
been on, if I donned some doubles and went for a 2 hour dive, they'd start
probably thinking about leaving my ass behind.
Chris
Christopher Painter
> DIVE PLAN
>
> Surface interval = 2 day 0 hr 0 min.
> Altitude = 0ft
> Conservatism = Normal, Critical Volume = ON
If Jammer dives as much as he says he does, your 2 day surface interval is
probably too generous.
Chris
Brian Wagner
Brian Wagner
>
> In article <3CACA410...@cle.philips.com>, Brian Wagner
> <brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
>
> ?don't take Greg's advice, which paraphrase Jammer's own stance on
> ?the appropriate response.
>
> She Who Must Be Obeyed would only be interested in a Hard Core, Four
> Season, Cold Water DIR diver, who understands proper bouyancy.
>
> Like, for instance, Our Own Bad Ass.
>
I rest my case.
Brian Wagner
>
> Hmm, so the other night, when the bouncer threw that fellow down the stairs
> and I ran down the stairs yelling "stop that! stop that!", whereupon the
> bouncer whacked the guy's head against the metal railings for a bit and then
> manhandled him out the door where he physically assaulted him some more and
> so I grabbed him by the back of the collar and kept tugging and yelling at
> him . . . that was kinetic energy transfer?
No, that's entertainment.
George
warped the electrons to say:
--Man, you're quoting V-Planner on normal? My kids would get bent on
that
--walking to school.
--
--Brian
--Edmonton, Alberta
Not on air at 40'. VPM goes the other way shallow and is way more
conservative than straight Buhlmann.
You're just jealous because the little voices only talk to me.
Brian Wagner
>
> Should be interesting next time I go back there.
One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing
expecting different results.
Brian Wagner
>
> Ooooh... a very subtle difference which I could very well have typed
> while meaning exactly what I DID type.
But you didn't, and it was right there for him in black and
white.
> Hmm... doubles with H-valves on both tanks. That's enough redundancy
> to make Irvine cry. Four 1sts, four 2nds, two wing and two drysuit
> inflator hoses.
> To hell with Irvine... it's make the sales drone at Sport Chalet very
> happy when you walk in to buy four TX100s :)
See, Rich gets it.
Christopher Painter
> Now THAT'S more like it. I knew you had it in you, Christopher.
Its always in me... just was waiting for him to come back to his usual
asshole self. If he really had DCS though I would be leaving him alone...
Chris
Brian Nadwidny
>
> Not on air at 40'. VPM goes the other way shallow and is way more
> conservative than straight Buhlmann.
Interesting. I've never checked out the shallow stuff.
> You're just jealous because the little voices only talk to me.
Damn right! Now share those voices!
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Limey Dave
> > > Christopher Painter wrote:
> > > 1. He said SINGLE with H-valve. Your last sentence, which reads
> > > "doubles with an H valve" clearly indicates that it STILL escapes
> > > you. If you want to get indignant about your reading
> > > comprehension, it would help to actually demonstrate some.
> >
> > How kind of you to misquote him to try to make me look like I can't
read..
> > He really said 'a proper doubles config ' *OR* ' a single with an
H-valve.'
> > And at that point I asked what is the point of diving doubles on a max
depth
> > of 40'. His actual post is quoted below for you.
>
> 1. I didn't misquote him. As your quoting below shows, I quoted
> him accurately. I didn't quote more than was relevant but what I
> quoted was accurate. This is the third thing to escape you.
>
> 2. Nothing in the actual post, even with the excess context,
> mentions or otherwise alludes to what you repeated - "doubles
> with an H valve." We'll go over this slowly for you. He said "a
> proper doubles config OR a single with an H-valve." That
> describes a choice of TWO (2, count 'em) configurations, one OR
> the other. he didn't say "doubles or a single with an H-valve",
> He described a choice of TWO SEPARATE configurations, one of
> which includes doubles, and the other of which includes an
> H-valve. In no way does this suggest what you said "doubles with
> an H-valve." In fact, it isn't rocket science to figure out that
> one doesn't use an H-valve with doubles, given that it fits on
> one tank, and that it's unnecessary with a "PROPER doubles
> config" which would have a manifold capable of the functionality
> offered by the H-valve. This is the second thing that escaped
> you.
>
> need doubles?" Clearly, the comment you were responding to
> "escpecially if he's diving a proper doubles config or a single
> with an H-valve," without any need to consider the implications
> of point #2 above, allowed for the use of a single tank, and
> thus, neither implied he was using doubles, or suggested the need
> for doubles which you questioned. This is the first thing that
> escaped you.
>
> > Jammer may very well have DCS, and for this matter I'm not going to
> > criticize him or DIR in this thread. I wish him the best of luck.
>
> 4. No one suggested criticism of Jammer or DIR. I pointed out
> that Jammer's militant adherence to DIR and the DIR doctrine on
> alternate air sources more than adequately explain why Jammer
> does see the point of redundant regulators and is likely to be
> using them, even at 40'. Clearly, no editorializing about Jammer
> or DIR was offered, implied, or solicited in that statement, and
> this fact is the fourth thing that escaped you.
>
> Care to try for five, or are you mature enough to realize that
> you made a minor faux pas by not reading carefully before
> replying the first time, and that further attempts to defend the
> indefensible, rather than simply face the fact that you made a
> mistake (as all humans do from time to time) only serve to
> compound the error? The more angry you get, the less sense
> you're going to make.
Quiet night on the telly again? 8)
Dave.
Brian Wagner
>
> Quiet night on the telly again? 8)
>
Jammer Six
<vze2tnc...@verizon.net> wrote:
€All the boats that I've been on, if I donned some doubles and went for
€a 2 hour dive, they'd start probably thinking about leaving my ass
€behind.
That doesn't have anything to do with doubles or the dive.
--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Jammer Six
<vze2tnc...@verizon.net> wrote:
€If Jammer dives as much as he says he does, your 2 day surface interval is
€probably too generous.
Nobody here knows how much I dive.
Why?
Because I've never said anything about it.
--
"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?"
-Sergeant Major Dan Daly
Jammer Six
<brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
€I rest my case.
There was enough there to rest them both.
Which one are you resting?
--
"Let's roll!"
-Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Rich Lockyer
and it required stops!
On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 07:43:12 GMT, Brian Nadwidny
<BNad...@excite.com> wrote:
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Rich Lockyer
<vze2tnc...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Surface interval = 2 day 0 hr 0 min.
>> Altitude = 0ft
>> Conservatism = Normal, Critical Volume = ON
>
>If Jammer dives as much as he says he does, your 2 day surface interval is
>probably too generous.
So he'd bend even easier.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Brian Wagner
>
> In article <3CADA16F...@cle.philips.com>, Brian Wagner
> <brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote:
>
>
> There was enough there to rest them both.
>
> Which one are you resting?
>
Limey Dave
"Christopher Painter" <vze2tnc...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:DB7r8.4531$WQ4...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "Greg Mossman" <nossp...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Oi1r8.2664$8T.7...@news3.news.adelphia.net...
> > Can I have your kick then?
>
> Sure, you can have my kick, but personally I don't wish DCS even on my
> enemies.
>
Time to let it go already, it was a goof!
Dave.
Limey Dave
"chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> wrote in message
news:Imbr8.16406$f4.11...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
>
> "Popeye" <buzcu...@aol.comByte-me> wrote in message
> news:20020404231248...@mb-ms.aol.com...
> > >From: "chilly" sla...@shaw.canada
> > >Date: 4/4/02 11:04 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > >Message-id: <Vm9r8.14963$2j3.9...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>
> > >
> > >
> > >"Brian Wagner" <brian....@cle.philips.com> wrote in message
> > >news:3CAC633F...@cle.philips.com...
> > >> you're going to make.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > The more angry you get, the more force you can project... :-)
> >
> >
> > Kinetic energy transfer- the least ambiguous form of communication.
>
first up there....by a bouncer that saw me punch some fella in the mouth
for, well....that's a longer story.
Cheers, I think it was?
Dave.
Limey Dave
"chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> wrote in message
Dave.
Limey Dave
"chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> wrote in message
>
> LOL, that was the same thing that the bouncer accused me of. However, I
had
> never seen the fellow before. It was very obvious from the get go that
the
> boucer was exceeding what was necessary to remove the guy. (I mean, he
> threw him down a flight of stairs, fercryinoutloud!) And to keep
assaulting
> him after the guy was *out* of the building! That's when I really lost
it.
> My friends just stood there and watched. They didn't even try to stop me.
> LOL
>
> There I was hanging off this big brute's back. I wish I had video. Wasn't
> too funny at the time, but I bet it would look pretty funny today.
'merica's funniest. They pay for those.
Dave.
Limey Dave
"Popeye" <buzcu...@aol.comByte-me> wrote in message
8) Dave.
Limey Dave
thinking, while we'd be in the bar drinking!
Limey Dave.
OldSalt
wrote:
>"OldSalt" <babet...@no-spamhotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3cad4d2d...@news.fast.net...
>> On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 06:55:02 GMT, "chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"OldSalt" <babet...@no-spamhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:3cad44bf...@news.fast.net...
>> >> >> Kinetic energy transfer- the least ambiguous form of communication.
>> >> >
>> >> >Hmm, so the other night, when the bouncer threw that fellow down the
>> >stairs
>> >> >and I ran down the stairs yelling "stop that! stop that!", whereupon
>the
>> >> >bouncer whacked the guy's head against the metal railings for a bit
>and
>> >then
>> >> >manhandled him out the door where he physically assaulted him some
>more
>> >and
>> >> >so I grabbed him by the back of the collar and kept tugging and
>yelling
>> >at
>> >> >him . . . that was kinetic energy transfer?
>> >>
>> >> No.... that was just you hoping your date wasn't beaten too badly.
>> >>
>> >> <hoping my dear girlfriend realizes I was joking> :)
>> >
>> >LOL, that was the same thing that the bouncer accused me of. However, I
>had
>> >never seen the fellow before. It was very obvious from the get go that
>the
>> >boucer was exceeding what was necessary to remove the guy. (I mean, he
>> >threw him down a flight of stairs, fercryinoutloud!) And to keep
>assaulting
>> >him after the guy was *out* of the building! That's when I really lost
>it.
>> >My friends just stood there and watched. They didn't even try to stop
>me.
>> >LOL
>> >
>> >There I was hanging off this big brute's back. I wish I had video.
>Wasn't
>> >too funny at the time, but I bet it would look pretty funny today.
>Almost
>> >like I love Lucy. giggle
>>
>> Sooo.... you got a date with the bouncer then right ?? I mean... if
>> you liked hanging off his back and all, hell... I'd have had to ask
>> him to show me more fun like that during a private session !! LOL
>
>No, that won't be happening. The manager had to drag him back upstairs
>after he physically threatened me and I was saying, "So what now, tough
>guy? Are you going to hit me now? Is that it?" Yup, quite a production.
>Should be interesting next time I go back there.
I was only teasing ya. I was feeling wayyyy frisky last nite when I
posted that to you.... having just gotten back from seeing a concert.
LOL You sure find interesting things to get involved in when you go
out. You and Limey Dave out on the town together might be very
dangerous !!
Limey Dave
> Limey Dave wrote:
> >
> > Quiet night on the telly again? 8)
> >
> Not at all - that's what VCR's are for, silly.
Oh yeah, aren't you bored with Debby does.....yet?
Dave.
Kevin Robinson
>
> However. Once when divebud Kevin, who's my general size but trimmer, was
>working up at the SkiLodge Bar and I was visiting. A customer, who wasn't
>drunk, said something really rude to the waitress and the manager told Kevin
>to
>escort him out. I went along for the ride. Kevin tried every trick in the
>book
>to get the guy to leave quietly, and the guy (who wasn't particularly small)
>stood up and punched Kevin in the face without warning. Most of the blow
>missed, and Kevin and I attacked the guy like pit bulls. Kevin went for his
>throat, I kicked his feet out from under him, and we dragged him out like a
>grain sack. He was wearing overalls, for easy handling, silly boy.
>
> We dragged him down two flights of stairs at a running pace, and outside we
>stuck his head in a snowbank just like a roadrunner/wiley coyote cartoon. It
>was maybe 7 years ago.
>
> And I'm sure he remembers it clearly.
>
> No one was hanging on my neck, however.
>
>
> His Imperial Majesty
> Team 3
>
Actually, the guy grabbed my tie and tried to pull me into the punch, but it
was a clip on and it came off in his hand, and the look on his face was
priceless, then Fred and I rode him down the stairs like a toboggan.
The guy ended up being my next door neighbor for 2 years, he remembers the
night well, he said he was sorry for the disturbance and we drank some corn
liquor.
Kevin
chilly
"Limey Dave" <david...@NOworldCRAPnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:YSnr8.5905$Rw2.4...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Wasn't that place in a basement?
chilly
> >guy? Are you going to hit me now? Is that it?" Yup, quite a
production.
> >Should be interesting next time I go back there.
>
> I was only teasing ya. I was feeling wayyyy frisky last nite when I
> posted that to you.... having just gotten back from seeing a concert.
> LOL You sure find interesting things to get involved in when you go
> out. You and Limey Dave out on the town together might be very
> dangerous !!
Well, at least he could throw a decent punch if need be. All I can do is
raise a ruckus, hang off a guy's collar and talk tough. ;^) Amazing what
you can get away with when you are my age.
Christopher Painter
"Jammer Six" <jam...@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
news:a8kkqf$6ro$1...@216.39.146.232...
> Nobody here knows how much I dive.
>
> Why?
>
> Because I've never said anything about it.
Reall?? Then what is this?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jammer+six+dives&hl=en&selm=7kua17%24l3q%2
40%40216.39.133.91&rnum=1
Jammer Six Wrote:
I keep my dive log in a filemaker pro database.
From the "totals" page of that log:
Number of dives: 299
Last dive: Yesterday, Edmonds, solo.
Decompression dives: 23
Deepest dive: 185
Gas other than air: 31
Multiple gases: 20
Night dives: 22
Current dives: 41
Wreck (no penetration): 19
Wreck (penetration): 9
Other overhead dives: 5
Boat dives: 195
Solos: 29
PADI Open Water, April 15, 1992
PADI Advanced Open Water, January 29, 1994
TDI Basic Nitrox, January, 1995
About 240-250 dives in either Puget Sound or British Columbia.
Of the dives in British Columbia, the overwhelming majority were off of
Bryce Christie's Topline, with 2nd place going to the Rendezvous.
All but the first 22 dives were in an OS shell drysuit.
Two dives in the Oslo Fjord.
Six dives in Hawaii.
Twenty dives on Little Cayman.
The rest were in California, off the Vision.
With Barbara, the One True Dive Babe: 163
The next dive will be in about an hour, another solo at Edmonds to
finish shaking down my equipment (yet again) for my trip.
I leave tomorrow morning for the Vision, and The Great Escape, courtesy
of Terry May.
Dan Bracuk
:Hmm, so the other night, when the bouncer threw that fellow down the stairs
:and I ran down the stairs yelling "stop that! stop that!", whereupon the
:bouncer whacked the guy's head against the metal railings for a bit and then
:manhandled him out the door where he physically assaulted him some more and
:so I grabbed him by the back of the collar and kept tugging and yelling at
:him . . . that was kinetic energy transfer?
Sounds like it. Was it unambiguous?
Dan Bracuk
Toronto, Canada
The World Will End at noon tomorrow, 12:30 in Newfoundland.
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Dan Bracuk
: We dragged him down two flights of stairs at a running pace, and outside we
:stuck his head in a snowbank just like a roadrunner/wiley coyote cartoon. It
:was maybe 7 years ago.
Gotta watch out for those snowbanks, piles of leaves and stuff like
that. Might be something hard underneath causing you to inflict a
greater injury than what you intended.
Jammer Six
Painter <vze2tnc...@verizon.net> wrote:
€> Nobody here knows how much I dive.
€>
€> Why?
€>
€> Because I've never said anything about it.
€
€Reall?? Then what is this?
It doesn't say a word about how much I dive, studmuffin.
Seriously, is English your first language?
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"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001