Theory Posted Again because you all love me so.
WngdWolf13
For the scholarly, the following should not be considered a formal research
paper, but rather the results of a very long informal study of a specific
type of vampirism. Put together over a period of about 7 years, this account
is the result of many informal discussions (and formal discussion) with
vampyrs on and off-line. The reason for the investigation was so that I, the
author, could discover the cause and details of my own type of vampirism,
which knowledge eventually gave me the ability to rid myself of it. My
reasons for doing so were personal, and I do not imply that it cannot benefit
anyone to be a vampyr. I hope, however, that those who are as I was will
find this account to be helpful to them, and to give them back something that
many of them never had before--the choice of whether or not to be a vampyr.
The thing that makes a person a vampyr is essentially a symbiotic, psychic
"lifeform". If you feed it, it grows more powerful, and changes you more.
If you do not, it grows weaker, and feeds off you. It gives back as much
as it demands of you, for empathy, telepathy, and an influential aura are its
legacies, and these things also offer a gateway to other psychic disciplines,
particularly those
dealing with life energy, such as healing. The vampyric essence can
strengthen you psychically, and perhaps even physically, if you work with it.
This symbiont appears as a coherent and seperate bundle of energy which is
located in the astral body, and is usually found in the middle of the chest,
over the heart. It appears to be approximately the size of a fist from the
outside, but may be much larger in reality. When you astrally project, the
symbiont travels with you, remaining with the astral body.
This symbiont is comprised of two or three types of energy--life energy, Veil
energy, and possibly psi energy. The Veil is a metaphysical membrane which
seperates this "universe" from "another place". Things on the other side of
the Veil are all comprised of the same type of energy. Sometimes the Veil is
breached, and entities from that place enter this one--more often than not,
their interactions with life here have harmful results, not necessarily
through any malice on their part, but because of their extremely alien
nature. The Veil is best left unbreached--most entities from this reality
will work together, even with traditional enemies, to repair a breach in the
Veil and fight off Veil entities. This may be part of the reason why vampyrs
are treated so oddly by spirit entities. Persons most likely to encounter,
work with, or
create/alter Veil energy entities and constructs are various types of mages,
and possibly druids. It has been suggested by a mage friend of mine that the
symbiont was originally created by a mage, as an experiment--there is nothing
to rule out this possibility.
Some of the changes that the symbiot generally makes in its "partner" are,
starting with the physical, a faster rate of healing, increased strength,
stamina and speed, improved night vision, and improvement in other senses.
Negative physical changes include allergy to sunlight, and possible glandular
problems such as lupus or diabetes. The majority of the changes the symbiont
makes are associated with the nervous system. Most vampyrs prefer a higher
or lower room temperature than humans, by at least 10 degrees, often more.
Psychological effects are a slow restructuring of the instincts, resulting in
gradual personality change (Not for the worse, merely different), and a
resulting
"rebuilding from the ground up" of learned moral and ethical standards. In
some few individuals, a very strong symbiont can cause dementia. Psychical
changes include a repatterning of the energy bodies and the way in which the
psychical and physical bodies work together in the life energy cycle.
Lifeforce energy is absorbed in the heart region (or wherever the symbiont
has
positioned itself), and distributed to the rest of the body from there. The
symbiont's profound influence in the region of the heart energy center, which
is the emotional center of the energy bodies almost invariably awakens the
empathic abilitiy, and occasionally telepathic ability. In addition, this
heart center is very sensitive to damage, and most vampyrs will feel some
pain or pressure in this area if they are overloaded or drained psychically.
Sometimes the actual position of the
symbiont is lower than the heart center (mid-chest region), possibly even as
low as the solar plexis--in which case the aforementioned symptoms would be
felt in that area, instead of the heart region. Vampyrs appear to have more
instinctive control over the empathic faculty than most humans, being able to
dampen the input or shut it down to avoid overload. Other psychic talents
may also be
awakened, including anything from improved psychic "senses" such as
clairvoyance and clairaudience to more uncommon talents such as
psychokinesis.
On the negative side, persons with an inborn aptitude for working with some
energy types may find that the symbiont's insistence on controlling the
nervous system limits their natural abilities, even as it makes using others
easier.
Abstaining from feeding on lifeforce/blood often results in memory problems,
and aggravation of any detrimental physical conditions, such as the
aforementioned lupus. Depressed immune system and listlessness or depression
may result as well. This can continue for years, but it has generally been
found that eventually the symbiont will influence a dramatic increase in
hunger over a fairly short period of time--what occurs if the vampyr does not
feed at that point is unknown. A vampyr, under the stimulus of extreme loss,
pain or suffering, emotional trauma, or starvation, may enter into a state of
psychosis in which, for a period of days or even as long as a month, they
will become berserkers, hunting and killing for blood. The beginning of this
state allows some self-control, but it progresses to a true berserker state
in which the vampyr will attack anything for blood--vision becomes reddened,
and senses become heightened, strength and other physical capabilities may
increase.
The symbiont is not impossible to influence--a nudge of uncontrolled power
when it is passed on, for example, can alter it. This is why "bloodlines"
have the differences they have, and why some lines show negative effects and
deterioration. It is possible that, in the past, stricter control of who the
symbiont was passed to, as well as a more formal procedure for doing so,
prevented the deterioration that is becoming apparent today.
Known ways in which the symbiont can be passed on include the traditional
exchange of blood with a vampyr, as well as working in a magickal coven or
partnership with vampyr, being fed from, either astrally or physically, and
possibly through a sexual encounter. Anything which involves and intimate
exchange of energies between a vampyr and a human can pass the symbiont's
essence on. Not all humans appear to be susceptible to this, however. It is
unknown what factors need to be present for a person to be able to host a
symbiont, but it is relatively common for persons to be able to do so. Exact
details on how the symbiont may be picked up are missing--there are those
born
with it, or who acquire it without apparent contact in their early to mid
teens, and the method of transference to these individuals is still unknown.
In those who were born
vampyrs, the symbiont appears to be more well integrated, and the individuals
are, of course, not as conscious of it as those who were turned, though they
seem as capable as turned vampyrs of perceiving it if they have the talents
that allow them to do so. So far I have found that roughly two thirds of the
vampyrs I have contacted were born that way. This is a puzzle that still
needs to be worked out. The vast majority of born vampyrs are certain that
neither of their parents is vampyr.
When a person acquires the vampyr symbiot, for the first year the "symptoms"
or traits will fluctuate wildly, becoming very strong, then fading away to
almost nothing, repeatedly over a varying length of time. After the first
year, this fluctuation becomes less marked, although it does still seem to be
present in older vampyrs, on a subdued level. For those born vampyrs, the
traits are usually subdued by definitely present in childhood, and are kicked
up to a higher level during the vampyr's teen years, resulting in a pattern
similar to the first year of a vampyr who was turned, though perhaps not as
traumatic. This may also be the case with vampyrs who were turned in
childhood.
The symbiont can be removed from an individual who was turned with no
apparent permanent ill effects, but this is not easy to accomplish. It
requires considerable strength and thoroughness, and it is not comfortable.
Possibly not all of the changes wrought to the system by the symbiont will
return to normal, and it is logical to assume that the longer the entity was
present in the person, the more likely there is to be a permanent effect, but
changes will be apparent within a few days of removal of the symbiont.
I have no experience with a born vampyr who has had the symbiont removed, so
I cannot comment on that.
I will relate two methods by which the symbiont may be removed, though keep
in
mind that these are only two methods, which did work. In the first, the
overall level of psi-energy in the vampyr's body is increased, via whatever
method is
convenient for that. (One method is to sit with the soles of the feet
pressed together, and the palms of the hands pressed together, with the back
straight, and eyes shut, and with the room temperature slightly too cool to
be comfortable--start an energy flow through the body from one hand to
another, and one foot to another--done for a period of time, this will
increase the psionic energy level in the body).
Mechanical elements were used in this method--I cannot endorse trying this,
as it could be dangerous to those with no experience with electronics, but I
will describe it in detail.
REPEAT (for those not paying attention) I CANNOT RECOMMEND THIS. Please
don't electrocute yourselves or each other. Thanks.
The first device is constructed with a 5 to 6 inch diameter speaker magnet,
copper wire, copper foil, a coffee can lid (metal), duct tape, and an AC/DC
adapter. The wire is wrapped around the magnet. The magnet with wire is
attached to a square of copper foil larger than it with duct tape. The
coffee can lid is attached to the bottom of the
square of copper (which should also be slightly larger than the coffee can
lid). Wire ends from the wire on the magnet should curl around the foil and
be secured to the coffee can lid with duct tape. The end of the AD/DC
adapter cord should be split and the two wires stripped of insulation. These
should be secured to the copper foil with duct tape on either side of the
magnet. (with the copper ground wires running north and south, and the
adapter wires on the east and west). This is plugged into a power strip
surge protector, and placed on the chest over the symbiont. (And creates a
mighty peculiar sensation, but is not painful).
The second device is made from two small fan motors with the spindles
removed. A metal rod is inserted into the spindle holes between them. To
this is attached a strip of copper foil with two areas raised from the rod.
___n__n___ (as best I can draw it with letters...the "n" are wider than
that). This is placed across the hips, with the vampyr touching one
half-loop with each hand. The fan motors are plugged into the power strip.
The second device creates an electro-static energy charge which flows through
the body. The first device creates an electro magnetic field which pushes
the body's energy field (and thus the symbiont) outward through the center of
the magnet (which is donut-shaped). The electro-static energy flow increases
the energy flow out of the center of the magnet and magnifies the push. Yes,
the fan motors buzz and get warm. <G>
At this point, a person with a powerful psi energy output simply reached into
the area around the center of the magnet, and scooped the entity out--using
psi energy to "scrape" the edges and be sure nothing was left behind, which
causes a flash of pain, though not a great one. The devices in conjunction
with the strong psi energy field in the vampyr caused the entity to ball up
in the center of the magnet. The entity was contained in a "shield" of psi
energy, and then placed in a magnetic containment field comprised of a
plastic container with a strip of foil circling it latitudinally and
longitudinally, secured with duct tape, and two small speaker magnets with
the poles directed inward placed at the poles. No deterioration of the
entity was observed in this containment field, so it is possible that the
critter may be a bit hardier than first thought, and might even be able to
survive for periods outside of a host. This procedure did not take long.
The preparation took about 15 minutes or so, and the actual removal less than
a minute.
The second method requires a person to have a high level of perception on a
psychic level, as well as a good bit of strength on that level, and be able
to work for a long time. It merely involves going in and locating and
capturing each of the "tendrils" the entity has throughout the person's
system, one by one, and then removing the entire entity that way. This
method was less effective at containing the removed entity, which doesn't
react very well to the removal, but was as effective at the first with no
more apparent ill aftereffects. It did, however, take approximately 45
minutes. The important thing to note is that the entity does extend tendrils
through the person's system, and since it is unknown how the entity
reproduces itself, it is important not to leave anything behind.
There are other reasons to be careful--the person who used the above method
to remove a symbiont from another person later found that he had acquired one
of his own, which he had more difficulty removing than the one that had been
in his friend. (Simply because it was harder for him to perform the
uncomfortable "operation" within his own body). It took him more than 3 days
to completely rid himself of it.
(Additional Note: This individual later removed yet another symbiont from a
vampyr (at the vampyr's request). This vampyr, for some reason, had 2
symbionts instead of the usual one. The mage re-programmed one of the
symbionts to attack and destroy the other, which it successfully did. The
reprogrammed symbiont was then left with no further target or course of
action, and was simply left "hanging there"--its original programming
destroyed. The mage simply easily removed it (as it had no resistance, and
was no longer "attached"), and destroyed it.)
(Comments from everyone are welcomed, particularly if you have experiences
that contradict or reinforce any of the above).
Other types of vampirism.
Psychic Vampirism
A psychic vampire is a person who has learned, or who has a genetic
inclination to using a talent for taking psychic energy from other people and
using it to augment their own personal energy level. Psychic vampires
usually prefer energy with a strong emotional charge, and get a "high" from
taking it. A subcatagory of psychic vampirism is psi-vampirism. A psi-vamp
is a person with a genetic inclination to take psi energy from others for
personal use. This is due to an inability to generate their own psi energy to
fuel their abilities.
Psi-vamps share characteristics with true vampires, as do other persons with
genetically linked psi talents. These may (but do not neccessarily) include
mild sunlight sensitivity, higher than average IQ, liking for temperatures
between 50 and 70 degrees
(usually), and sometimes even a liking for the taste of blood (though not for
the same reasons). Psychic vampirism does not involve
the vampire symbiont, and shows fewer physiological changes. Psi-vamps are
born with their abilities, though they may be awakened at puberty.
There may be other types of persons/entities out there which may be
considered vampiric, and which I have simply not yet encountered.
----Shadowalker
c.1997
--Winged Wolf
the were/psion
WngdW...@aol.com
Psion Guild
http://members.aol.com/psion425/Guild.html
Chooch
(If we love you so much, why do you keep trying to kill us?)
Once again, PLEASE do _NOT_ try to build the "symbiote removal device"
that Wngdwolf13 describes in her post. The instructions are incomplete,
call for unsafe electrical practices, and can _kill_ you.
Not just hurt, they can _KILL_ you!
I cannot understand why WW persists in posting these instructions. It
has been pointed out to her at great length just how dangerous they are,
and even she admits that the device isn't necessary to remove a
symbiote, yet she keeps on including them in her postings.
Short of instructions on how to make nitroglycerin in your kitchen,
these instructions are one of the most dangerous things I have ever seen
posted on the Internet.
She _knows_ they are dangerous, she admits they're unnecessary, yet she
keeps on posting them.
Why?
Richard Morrison
cho...@casagrande.com
wrth...@ix.netcom.com
In <34CA15...@casagrande.com> Chooch <cho...@casagrande.com>
writes:
<with a bit of snipping>
>(If we love you so much, why do you keep trying to kill us?)
>Once again, PLEASE do _NOT_ try to build the "symbiote removal device"
>that Wngdwolf13 describes in her post. The instructions are
>incomplete, call for unsafe electrical practices, and can _kill_ you.
>Not just hurt, they can _KILL_ you!
>I cannot understand why WW persists in posting these instructions.
>She _knows_ they are dangerous, she admits they're unnecessary, yet
>she keeps on posting them.
>Why?
I think they're a kind of unintelligence test. Anyone who's stupid
enough to muck about with her Mr.-Wizard home-electrocution device has
to be stupid enough to believe the rest of her post.
--Bill Thompson
WngdWolf13
>She _knows_ they are dangerous, she admits they're unnecessary, yet she
>keeps on posting them.
>
>Why?
>
>
Because it was used, and if I excluded it, my description of what happened
would be incomplete. As for the completeness of the instructions on the
device, they ARE complete, and I'm still alive. Nor did I receive any sort of
shock from those devices. DC current is safer than AC, and a surge protector
adds additional protection. I believe that my admonitions that the device not
be built by anyone unfamiliar with electronics ought to be quite enough. My
research may not be formal, but I refuse to leave out details just because some
idiot can't heed a warning. My personal feelings on that are that the gene
pool would be better off without them. Let's see--someone tells you not to do
something, and you do it anyhow--upon whose head do the consequences fall?
Accusing me of trying to kill people when I've stated quite succinctly that
people shouldn't attempt to use these things is absurd, and I believe it's also
insulting to the people you are trying to "protect". I don't particularly care
what you do or don't know about electronics, but I know what happened to me,
and I know that the device that was used functioned as I described.
I've looked over the instructions I gave on how the devices were constructed,
and they are indeed complete. I didn't leave anything out.
Chooch
Oh, my gawd. Where to start, where to start. I could pick this apart
line by line, but in the interests of brevity I'll only take 2 parts.
1. the statement "DC current is safer than AC, and a surge protector
adds additional protection."
No, it isn't, and no, it doesn't.
2. Your statement
> I've looked over the instructions I gave on how the devices were constructed,
> and they are indeed complete. I didn't leave anything out.
Oh, really? Do you think AC/DC adapters come in only one voltage?
Please show me where you specified what the output voltage should be.
(And while you're at it, perhaps you could clarify the requirement for a
"5 to 6 inch diameter speaker magnet." Would that be the magnet from a
5 to 6 inch diameter _speaker_, or would it be a speaker magnet that in
itself is 5 to 6 inches in diameter?)
There's also a part of your instructions which, if followed exactly as
you wrote them, could bring the user into direct contact with 110 VAC.
(220 VAC if they're European.) Can you spot which part that is? Is
there only one part like that?
Be advised that this is only a _partial_ list. Can you spot the other
things you omitted?
I do have to say, though, that I was very impressed with your "magnetic
containment field". Not only would it be safe to build, but it strikes
me as a wonderful use for empty margarine tubs and leftover aluminium
foil. (I simply _love_ the thought of all those nasty symbionts trapped
forever in containers bearing the logos of "Blue Bonnet" and "Parkay".
Truly poetic justice, that.) But again, you call for speaker magnets.
Wherever do you come up with all of them? Are you that hard on your
stereo? Couldn't we maybe use some of Mom's refrigerator magnets
instead?
WngdWolf13
>Oh, really? Do you think AC/DC adapters come in only one voltage?
>Please show me where you specified what the output voltage should be.
>(And while you're at it, perhaps you could clarify the requirement for a
>"5 to 6 inch diameter speaker magnet." Would that be the magnet from a
>5 to 6 inch diameter _speaker_, or would it be a speaker magnet that in
>itself is 5 to 6 inches in diameter?)
>
>There's also a part of your instructions which, if followed exactly as
>you wrote them, could bring the user into direct contact with 110 VAC.
>(220 VAC if they're European.) Can you spot which part that is? Is
>there only one part like that?
>
>
You've got a point, there. I do have the information on what model ac/dc
adapter was used, I'll have to look it up and revise the file. I'm not sure
how much it matters, but I'll be sure to put it in there anyhow.
The speaker magnet is 5 to 6 inches in diameter, I thought that was rather
obvious. I'll also add in the 110 current notion, here in the US, that's an
assumption, but you are correct taht those overseas wouldn't necessarily be
using the same wall current.
Details are important. If you think of anything else let me know.
>Wherever do you come up with all of them? Are you that hard on your
>stereo? Couldn't we maybe use some of Mom's refrigerator magnets
>instead?
No, old speakers aren't that hard to come by, once they are blown out no one
wants them anymore. The donut shaped magnets are most easily come by from that
source, though I suppose you could go hunting around and find some to buy.
Chooch
WngdWolf13 wrote:
(replying, in part, to my post)
>
> >Oh, really? Do you think AC/DC adapters come in only one voltage?
> >Please show me where you specified what the output voltage should be.
> >(And while you're at it, perhaps you could clarify the requirement for a
> >"5 to 6 inch diameter speaker magnet." Would that be the magnet from a
> >5 to 6 inch diameter _speaker_, or would it be a speaker magnet that in
> >itself is 5 to 6 inches in diameter?)
> >
> >There's also a part of your instructions which, if followed exactly as
> >you wrote them, could bring the user into direct contact with 110 VAC.
> >(220 VAC if they're European.) Can you spot which part that is? Is
> >there only one part like that?
> >
> >
>
> You've got a point, there. I do have the information on what model ac/dc
> adapter was used, I'll have to look it up and revise the file. I'm not sure
> how much it matters, but I'll be sure to put it in there anyhow.
Hmmm...seems as though your plan wasn't quite as complete as you've been
insisting, now was it?
> The speaker magnet is 5 to 6 inches in diameter, I thought that was rather
> obvious.
Not quite. Your statement could be read either way.
> I'll also add in the 110 current notion, here in the US, that's an
> assumption, but you are correct taht those overseas wouldn't necessarily be
> using the same wall current.
The only "assumption" is that people in North America have their houses
wired for standard 110/120 VAC. How many have you seen that were
otherwise?
> Details are important.
No kidding. What the hell do you think I've been trying to tell you all
these weeks?
> If you think of anything else let me know.
Not hardly. I have no desire to participate in the design of a piece of
electrical equipment that involves the use of coffee can lids and duct
tape. Besides, in a part of my post that you snipped, I've already
said:
"Be advised that this is only a _partial_ list. Can you spot the other
things you omitted?"
Until you can do that, I suggest you drop the entire description from
your posts. It _is_ incomplete, and will remain so even if you add the
AC/DC converter information. There _are_ other parts that are missing,
incomplete &/or misleading. In an earlier post, you said that your
reason for posting the description was:
> Because it was used, and if I excluded it, my description of what happened
> would be incomplete. As for the completeness of the instructions on the
> device, they ARE complete, and I'm still alive.
But as we've seen, the instructions actually are incomplete. And
wouldn't your description of what happened be be just as accurate if you
were to replace the faulty instructions with a statement that "devices
were used that you didn't build, but that you perceived to have
(whatever) effects; further you have deliberately removed details of
their construction because the devices aren't necessary for symbiote
removal and they could be extremely unsafe if built by anyone lacking
considerable electrical experience."? (Or something to that effect?)
Alternatively, if voltages aren't important in the device(s), or if you
only need DC current, you could rework the plans so they used nothing
more than a couple of flashlight batteries and avoided any contact
whatsoever with house current.
wrth...@ix.netcom.com
In <19980124094...@ladder02.news.aol.com> wngdw...@aol.com
(WngdWolf13) writes:
<snip of a whole lot of rubbish about icky chest-dwelling things>
>ach in the
>I will relate two methods by which the symbiont may be removed
<snip of more maunderings>
>Mechanical elements were used in this method--I cannot endorse trying
>this, as it could be dangerous to those with no experience with
>electronics, but I will describe it in detail.
>REPEAT (for those not paying attention) I CANNOT RECOMMEND THIS.
>Please don't electrocute yourselves or each other. Thanks.
<snip of nonsense which shows that WW is one of "those with no
experience in electronics">
After some damned fool dies while mucking about with the Do-It-Yourself
Electric Chair, that disclaimer may not be enough to convince a
determined prosecutor to take WW to court. That could be
interesting--the estate of Fried Sucker vs. Ima Schtunkhead, alias
WingedWhoops the weren't/psion, alias Shadowanker. The festivities
begin with the issuance of a warrant for murder, followed by an arrest,
booking and incarceration in a jail cell; next comes the arraignment
and--if the arrestee has the money--the posting of bail. "Released on
own recognizance" isn't likely in a case involving a murder, so if the
detainee can't post bail, it's back to the cell until trial time. I've
never done this myself, as I am a very good little boy, but people
who've gone through this procedure tell me it's well worth avoiding,
especially if you end up in a cell with someone named "Spike,"
"Leather" or "Harley Humper."
On to the pre-trial hearings. My guess is that the indictment would
include a such phrases as "depraved indifference to human life" and
"reckless endangerment;" the prosecutor would argue that the purpose of
the entire document which includes the plans for the symbiont-zapper is
to persuade people that the symbionts are real, and that they can be
successfully removed by the means described; consequently the "warning"
is disingenuous and not meant to be taken seriously. This argument
would note that the wording of the so-called "warning" is inadequate to
cover the killer's--pardon me, the accused's posterior.
Defense strategies . . . hm . . . first WW's lawyer would try to
persuade the judge that the warning was sufficient to absolve the
guilty party--excuse me, the defendant--of blame. However, this isn't
likely, as there are few Lance Itos on the loose. The judge will in
all probability see that the soon-to-be-convicted-and-sentenced--excuse
me, the defendant--intended that the mechanisms described were meant to
be used.
Should the judge refuse to drop whatever charges the prosecutor has
brought--most likely "negligent homicide with no assumption of malice"
--the defense attorney may call for a sanity hearing. The intent of
this will be to prove that the future-license-plate-maker--that is, the
defendant--was not competent to understand that fact that disseminating
these plans and instructions could cause death or other bodily injure,
and thus is not competent to stand trial. Evidence in the form of WW's
assorted postings to alt.vampyres would then be offered. Also offered
as evidence: repeated warnings to her from a.v regulars that her
bug-zapper was potentially lethal, along with her repeated refusal to
accept this aspect of reality. Character witnesses might also add
their observations.
When--correction, *if* the defendant is found to be as batty as a
closetful of Louisville Sluggers, she goes away for an indefinite term
of therapy in a place where the walls are nice and soft, the coats have
very long sleeves . . . but I think our hypothetical defendant is quite
familiar with that particular routine.
Of course, if the hearing somehow finds that the accused is sane, at
least within a narrow legal definition of the word, the case goes to
trial. Maybe the defense attorney tries to plea-bargain. Maybe she
hopes the jury will see that the psychiatrist is wrong and the
defendant belongs in a padded belfry. Maybe the defense attorney
herself is stark, staring mad, and actually things that a judge and
jury will believe that the defendant has a grip on reality.
It's far more likely that the court would convict. "Negligent
homicide" might not get prison time for a first offense, but at the
very least a conviction would mean probation and a permanent,
inescapable, follows-you-for-the-rest-of-your-life,
really-screws-up-all-your-plans criminal record. Terms of probabtion
would include not posting any more garbage about
symbiont-electrocuters; violation of that term would send the convicted
felon to prison.
And even if our hypothetical judge *did* throw out the charges in re
the death of Fried Sucker, the accused would still have had to face the
expense and aggravation of arrest and going to court, along with the
certainty that the prosecutor and survivors of the deceased would watch
very, very closely for a chance to haul the accused back into
court--again, and again, and again. Of course the accused *could* file
suit over harrassment, but that costs money and eats up time, and it
can be hard to prove.
--Bill Thompson
Cthulhu29
>wrth...@ix.netcom.com() wrote:
<snippy monster big criminal thingy>
Actually BT, you're on the right track with that but I think a variation is
more likely. Think on this............
The parents of teen-ager Vampy-kid, the right honorable Mr & Mrs. Johnson
Esq. come home and find baby Johnson in a heap of smoldering wire and aluminum
foil as dead as free lunch.
Being enraged attorneys, they do as lawyers are wont to do and sue Puppy
Flies and AOL for $20 milion. The collective AOL sphincter tightens and, in
the interest of getting the suit settled as quietly as possible, AOL turns over
everything ever written or posted by the various SN's of Puppy Flies to the
legal beasts.
The Media seeing sensational silliness jumps onto the story and posts Puppy
Flies picture and her life's story on everything from news papers to milk
cartons. Radio Shack goes on the defensive to protect themselves from suit.
They provide all this info to the Law folks about how electricity is a
dangerous thing in the hands of coconuts.
The law firm of Big Johnson & Co. demand nothing short of the death of AOL,
at least $10 milion, and Puppy Flies commited for life to a nice, quiet little
hospital for a regimine of Thorezine and de-programing.
Charles Schummer will, of course, want to ban all speaker magnets as threats
to our children. In response the NSA (national speaker association) will be
formed to fight speaker control laws.
Pat Robertson will declare a Jihad against all puppies, speaker owners, and
anyone who ever read any book. Er, any Vampire book.
The Neo-Nazis will all band together to destroy the followers of Puppy Flies
as enemys of the Party.
Oprah will claim Puppy Flies sold her on the same gizmo as a weight loss
device.
STOP! Sorry, I lost control of that train of thought. :o) However, a civil
suit is rather likely to say the very least. Also, AOL will dump everything
they have on her to the lawyers because protecting their ass is much more
important that protecting one wacko member who draws bad publicity.
~Cth
\(^^^^)/
wrth...@ix.netcom.com
In <19980126130...@ladder01.news.aol.com> cthu...@aol.com
(Cthulhu29) writes:
>>wrth...@ix.netcom.com() wrote:
><snippy monster big criminal thingy>
> Actually BT, you're on the right track with that but I think a
>variation is more likely. Think on this............
<snip of a media circus which would surely humiliate even one so
obdurate and oblivious as the weren't/psion>
Oh, man! ROTFLMFOSBLIAD!
Of course, there's another possibility--that the friends and relatives
of Fried Sucker go out for blood. Literally, with none of this
legalistic jurisprudence stuff. Think about it. Winged Whackidoodle's
disciples, if any, can't be all that stable. The sort of people who
believe they've got an icky thing living in their chest could get
dangerous; if they do, they would probably blame their crimes on that
nasty symbiont. They might avenge their friend with something that
involves two-by-fours, steel-toed boots, sawed-off shotguns, and other
things I don't want to contemplate before going to bed for the day.
If the Weaselly Whiner wants to avoid risking a lawsuit, she needs to
consult a lawyer about posting her Do-It-Yourself Electrocuter. Her
"disclaimer" is worthless, and I'd hate to see her go to prison because
she got someone killed. I mean, who wants to inflict *her* on a bunch
of unsuspecting ax-murderers, arsonists, pushers and lawyers?
--Bill Thompson
Cthulhu29
wrth...@ix.netcom.com() BT done wrote:
>Of course, there's another possibility--that the friends and relatives
>of Fried Sucker go out for blood. Literally, with none of this
>legalistic jurisprudence stuff. Think about it. Winged Whackidoodle's
>disciples, if any, can't be all that stable. The sort of people who
>believe they've got an icky thing living in their chest could get
>dangerous; if they do, they would probably blame their crimes on that
>nasty symbiont.
As a variation, what if one of these coconuts desides that almost everyone
still has one of these tapeworms in their tummy and begins to chase around the
innocent with a stun-gun and a Jensen woofer in the interest of catching them
all?
Be warned: if anyone comes near me with a speaker magnet in one hand and a
bug lamp in the other I'm going to drop them at 15 yards with el hefe quatro
cinco.
I will take no chances at becoming an involentary electrical statistic.
As a side note, if you locked her up with a lawyer who would be in the most
danger?
~Cth
\(^^^^)/
B J Kuehl
Cthulhu writes:
>>wrth...@ix.netcom.com() wrote:
> <snippy monster big criminal thingy>
>
> Actually BT, you're on the right track with that but I think
My concern is that some gullible teenie is going to try it,
his/her parents are going to find out that the plans were
obtained on alt.vampyres, and the newsgroup is going to suffer
the legal ramifications.
I hope, Bill, that you are logging the objections you have
posted to Shadowalker's home electrocution kit. They might be
needed if it ever happens that the group is fingered because
of her ananity.
^V^ Baby Jinx ^V^
WngdWolf13
You all are high on something.
If this were all true, the authors of "The Anarchist's Cookbook" would be in
jail.
I will revise the file to include the information previously mentioned, and I
repeat, this device didn't electrocute me, so it isn't going to electrocute
anyone else, either, if they follow the instructions. I will do my best to
ensure that the instructions are complete. Since I've told them NOT to build
it, it is, indeed, out of my hands. I have a right to post this information
which is constitutional. This is my last statement on the subject of whether
or not I might be legally liable for someone offing themselves with electrical
equipment.
Succubyss
So Bill T gives us a history lesson in Rock, Suicide and Responsiblity:
>Remember Dee Snyder? He used to have a booming "musical" career as part of a
rock group called "Kiss." Granted, his talent was as undetectable and
imaginary as a chest-dwelling icky thing, but he did make money as a performer;
for those who have mercifully forgotten him,he used to dress up in kabuki-style
make-up, get on a stage, and cavort and scream like a Nazified chimpanzee.
Then, after he and his band perpetrated a collection of noise called "Suicide
Solution," he found himself in hot water over a fan's suicide. Seemed the kid
listened to his song a lot, then committed suicide. Dee Snyder was last seen
in a business suit, having bathed and pulled back his hair, doing his best
to look square, normal and respectable, a hangdog look on his face as he
explained to a bunch of lawyers that, oh no, he didn't mean to induce anyone to
commit suicide, he'd never do that, honest, it was all in fun. No jail time,
no massive fines, but his career is *dead.*
NO NO BILL! It was Ozzy Ozbourne when he was the singer for Judas Priest
before Alice Cooper joined the Marilyn Manson Crue.
Stained Class was the album and some fine upstanding young gentlemen for the
Catholic Republican Cotillion were listening to it as a bat flew over their
heads and consequently bit the head off a dove. The result was runny black eye
makeup which didn't quite look right with their leather and striped leotards.
Hence, the suicide over a fashion Faux Paux.
Their parents had thought the title of the album was "Stained Glass" and they
were researching a catechism project. The parents sued the record company for
a typo. It was not those young boys' fault at all as they were perfectly
adjusted before this comedy of errors caused their untimely demise. It was NO
ONE'S responsiblity, just one of those things.
S (life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life?)
In the real world <>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+
as in dreams, members.aol.com/Succubyss/succudex.html
nothing is quite +<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>
what it seems. -The Book of Counted Sorrows
Succubyss
>S (life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life?)
>
>
>
Bonus points to those who can name the one hit wonder band who wrote the song
this quote is from. Think bad 80's pop metal.
S (veering off topic yet again)
wrth...@ix.netcom.com
In <19980127143...@ladder03.news.aol.com> succ...@aol.com
(Succubyss) plants tongue in cheek (not mine, however) and writes about
alleged cases of music-induced teen-suicides:
>It was not those young boys' fault at all as they were perfectly
>adjusted before this comedy of errors caused their untimely demise.
>It was NO ONE'S responsiblity, just one of those things.
I'd say it was the kids' responsibility. They had a pretty good idea
of what happens when you inhale high-speed lead. That has a lot to do
with *the* raison-d'etre for guns: to make holes in things.
Fluke Skywanker is offering a design whose primary purpose is not to
kill humans, but to remove alleged vampiric symbionts from a victim's
chest. As Chooch has pointed out in great and careful detail, the
design of this system is so flawed that electrocution is a very real
possibility. If someone is killed or injured while using her design, a
lawsuit is a very real possibility. After all, automobiles are not
designed as tools of death, but if someone dies because of a faulty
auto design--say from the rupture of a poorly-protected gas tank--then
the manufacturer can face a liability suit. In fact, the gun-control
lobby has contemplated the use of liability laws against weapon makers
to limit the spread of hanguns.
--Bill Thompson
Cthulhu29
> wrth...@ix.netcom.com() wrote:
<snippy the monster strikes againat various stuff BT wrote about Dee Snyder et
alii tee hee>
BT,
I hate to do this man, but Dee Snyder was with Twisted Sister. And yeah, I
actually liked them when I was in HS :oP Tee Hee. Also, Suicide Solution was
written by Ozzie Osborne. The kid did 86 himself and double O was sued. I could
not tell you the result of the suit to save me bottom. Dee Snyder is a Real
Estate agent in England now I think, but I may be wrong.
Stuart was not prosecuted but his publisher was sued. Also, the Right
Honorable Head of the SS, Her Ugliness Janet Reno proposed that such books and
manuals of death be banned as a threat to the State er, the People.
Is it just me or does Reno look like Heinrich Himmler in drag?
One warning to those of you who actually have some of the reprints of the
Army TM's on booby traps and improvised munitions: First, building unlicensed
destructive devices isa violation of Federal Law. Second, if you try most of
the stuff in those manuals without the training to back it up, or at least some
college level chemistry, your looking to fuck yourself up. Real bad. Doing
stupid shit like trying to concentrate H2SO4 the way they tell you in the
improvised munitions TM can sear out your lungs. Get water in it and it can
erupt and burn the shit out of you. And trying to get the mix right for Nitro
Glyserine is a damn fine way to cut your parents cost of living expenses.
~Cth
\(^^^^)/
Cthulhu29
>succ...@aol.com (Succubyss) wrote:
>>S (life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life?)
>>
>>
>>
>
>Bonus points to those who can name the one hit wonder band who wrote the song
>this quote is from. Think bad 80's pop metal.
>S (veering off topic yet again)
I'm probably wrong, but that really sounds like something from Poison or
White Lion
~Cth
\(^^^^)/
Cthulhu29
> wrth...@ix.netcom.com() wrote:
<snippy BT's points>
It ain't the voltage it's the amperage, as I understand it anyway. Hell, a
stun-gun that will nock your Richard into your watch pocket is powered by a
9-volt.
As an aside, my wife is a writer and she is a guest at 2 or 3 Sci-Fi cons a
year in this neck of the woods. The thing is, we run into and have lunch or
dinner regularly with Hal at these things. He's actually still alive and a fine
fellow to talk with.
Anyway, enough with all that stuff. :o)
~Cth
\(^^^^)/
wrth...@ix.netcom.com
>of her inanity.
Everyone's objections will help. Yours, Chooch's, Cthulhu's,
everyone's.
If Shadowacker had any sense (I know how absurd that sounds), she'd go
away for a while and do several things:
1: Learn a second language. In her case, I'd suggest English.
2: Watch a lot of Thirties sci-fi flicks, the kind with mad scientists
in them. She should take notes on how such classic characters as Dr.
Frankenstein and Dr. Zarkoff present their crackbrained theories. I
may do a separate posting on this. I don't care to help the Weaselly
Wussie, but it might make her incoherent trolls a little more amusing.
3: When she comes back after a prolonged absence, she should announce
that her new "research" has just made her Human Zapper obsolete, and
she's got a new-&-improved, 99 and 44/100 % more effective way to get
rid of the icky things she claims. This way she can stop posting her
potentially lethal design without embarrassing herself by admitting
it's crap. She can also avoid killing anyone and getting herself
hauled into court, which *will* happen if her mechanism is involved in
someone's death--although she doesn't seem intelligent enough to care
about that.
As Chooch suggested, her second-generation allamagoosa should involve
only low-voltage, DC power; certainly nothing more than a 9 volt radio
battery. I'd suggest throwing in a buzzer, a beeper and lots of pretty
blinking lights to make it look like the gimmick is doing something.
Include a thermistor in the circuit and have the thermistor in contact
with the sucker's skin; the changing resistance will make the pretty
lights and noisemakers work at a differing rate as resistance changes,
giving an impression that the doohickey is actually doing something.
It'll still be charlantry, but at least it won't be immediately lethal
to the user.
4: Read Robert Heinlein's "The Puppet Masters," Hal Clement's "Needle"
and (if she can find it anywhere) Eric Frank Russell's "Call Him Dead."
All of these science fiction novels were published in the Fifties, and
deal with the concept of human bodies taken over by intelligent
parasites. They deal with this concept in a much more coherent and
imaginative way than Shallowalker does.
--Bill Thompson
wrth...@ix.netcom.com
In <19980127055...@ladder02.news.aol.com> wngdw...@aol.com
(WngdWolf13) gives me an overwhelming impression of somebody who has
set a record low score on an IQ test when she writes:
>This is my last statement on the subject of whether or not I might be
>legally liable for someone offing themselves with electrical
>equipment.
Guess again. Your next statement could well be in a court of law. If
you don't end up in a criminal trial, then as Cthulhu suggested you
could end up in a civil suit. Remember OJ Simpson? His fate may
possibly have come to your attention.
Remember Dee Snyder? He used to have a booming "musical" career as
part of a rock group called "Kiss." Granted, his talent was as
undetectable and imaginary as a chest-dwelling icky thing, but he did
make money as a performer; for those who have mercifully forgotten him,
he used to dress up in kabuki-style make-up, get on a stage, and cavort
and scream like a Nazified chimpanzee. Then, after he and his band
perpetrated a collection of noise called "Suicide Solution," he found
himself in hot water over a fan's suicide. Seemed the kid listened to
his song a lot, then committed suicide. Dee Snyder was last seen in a
business suit, having bathed and pulled back his hair, doing his best
to look square, normal and respectable, a hangdog look on his face as
he explained to a bunch of lawyers that, oh no, he didn't mean to
induce anyone to commit suicide, he'd never do that, honest, it was all
in fun. No jail time, no massive fines, but his career is *dead.*
The way I heard it, Lyle Stuart--the author of "The Anarchist's
Cookbook"--wasn't prosecuted because he got lucky. Nobody was known to
have killed themselves or anyone else while using the gimmicks he
described. Nobody should count on having that sort of luck.
Incidentally, you do *not* have a constitutional right to post anything
you please; the Supreme Court ruled years ago that nobody has the right
to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater . . . at least not unless they
can show the flames and smoke. You can't. However, if somebody can
show a dead or injured body, and connect said body to a mechanism made
from your plans--yes, someone can and undoubtedly will use the law to
come after you.
Personally, I don't care what happens to you. If you want to play "You
Bet Your Life" with the legal system, that's your business.
Considering that you're playing "I Bet Somebody Else's Life" with your
electrocution device, I can't feel any concern about what happens to
you.
--Bill Thompson
White Spirit
WngdWolf13 wrote:
> You all are high on something.
You know the funny thing about people who go on about the "Sex drugs and
rock-n-roll" thing? They can't be doing very good drugs if they still
need sex.
> If this were all true, the authors of "The Anarchist's Cookbook" would be in
> jail.
I rather thought that they were anonymous. A lot of the info in there
is crap anyway.
> I will revise the file to include the information previously mentioned, and I
> repeat, this device didn't electrocute me, so it isn't going to electrocute
> anyone else, either, if they follow the instructions.
This doesn't necessarily follow. People's skin resistance varies.
> I will do my best to
> ensure that the instructions are complete.
You haven't exactly done that so far.
> Since I've told them NOT to build
> it, it is, indeed, out of my hands.
Not necessarily. If I say to a hit man "Here's a thousand quid, don't
go and shoot that person in the picture there" I know I won't be covered
legally if they end up dead.
> I have a right to post this information
> which is constitutional.
I still think you should consider what you are posting. If you're
telling people not to use it, why post it?
White Spirit
Succubyss wrote:
> NO NO BILL! It was Ozzy Ozbourne when he was the singer for Judas Priest
> before Alice Cooper joined the Marilyn Manson Crue.
Ozzy never sang for Priest. Rob Halford was with Priest.
> Stained Class was the album and some fine upstanding young gentlemen for the
> Catholic Republican Cotillion were listening to it as a bat flew over their
> heads and consequently bit the head off a dove. The result was runny black eye
> makeup which didn't quite look right with their leather and striped leotards.
> Hence, the suicide over a fashion Faux Paux.
I though it was Ozzy who bit the head of a live bat one day when a fan
threw it on stage. People used to throw rubber bats on stage but one
person threw a real one, apparently stunned, and Ozzy kind of
decapitated it.
> Their parents had thought the title of the album was "Stained Glass" and they
> were researching a catechism project. The parents sued the record company for
> a typo. It was not those young boys' fault at all as they were perfectly
> adjusted before this comedy of errors caused their untimely demise. It was NO
> ONE'S responsiblity, just one of those things.
Wasn't the suicide thing when two fans made a pact after (apparently)
being inspired to by listening to Judas Priest? One shot himself dead,
the other managed to blow his face partially off and survived. There
wasn't much the plastic surgeons could do for him. He committed suicide
years later in a mental hospital. The case against Priest was dismissed
but it caused the band to split.
I also thought Dee Snyder wasn't in Kiss but in Twisted Sister. Unless
he was in both. I was never into them.
Succubyss
White Spirit attempts to be helpful in correcting our musical knowledge:
>Ozzy never sang for Priest. Rob Halford was with Priest.
etc, etc, with more music trivia corrections.
WS, it was a joke. A lil sarcasm wrapping up quite a few metal bands who have
all been sued at one time or harrased by Tipper Gore and her buds.
I'm sure Ozzy, Alice, Dee, Priest, KISS (remember what THAT was supposed to
stand for), Motley Crue, Twisted Sister etc did not INTEND for their lyrics to
be taken as death wishes, threats or instructions to accomplish either one.
However, certain disturbed, depraved, deluded, lonely individuals(just the type
who may take WingsaWacko seriously) interpreted that to be the case and
suffered fatal consequences. At that point the survivors of these poor,
mislead, supposedly ok-until-then creatures decided to make the lives of those
seen as responsible, miserable. And they succeeded. Even in court cases which
were dismissed, the time, money and emotional toll taken on the defendants is
almost worse than being proclaimed responsible.
Which was Bill T's point to WingWalkerShadowWerent. She can say her
electrocution device is a purely innocent contraption and claim to have no
responsibility to any derogatry effects others may have when using it, but
herlife can still be made downright unbearable should someone be hurt. I'm
just trying to do my part.
At least I think thats the point, I'm just getting confused again, time to go
lie down. (The voices, that damned Pat Boone album I played backwards brought
back the voices....)
S
Succubyss
White Spirit brings up a really good question
:> still think you should consider what you are posting. If you're
>telling people not to use it, why post it?
>
have seen no interest on THIS group other than to debunk and mock you. If
interested parties have e-mailed you, why not then confine yourself to e-mail?
Why DO you continue to post this tripe?
S (who really wants to know the purpose or intended accomplishment in this)
wrth...@ix.netcom.com
In <19980127152...@ladder02.news.aol.com> cthu...@aol.com
(Cthulhu29) writes:
>
>> wrth...@ix.netcom.com() wrote:
>
><snippy the monster strikes againat various stuff BT wrote about Dee
>Snyder et alii tee hee>
>
>BT,
>I hate to do this man, but Dee Snyder was with Twisted Sister.
>and double O was sued. I could not tell you the result of the suit to
>save me bottom. Dee Snyder is a Real Estate agent in England now I
>think, but I may be wrong.
Thanks for the corrections, Cth. As you can tell I don't know a whole
lot about rock music. I recall seeing Dee Snyder being grilled on the
news one night, concerning a teen suicide; I must have gotten my media
hype scrambled again.
--Bill Thompson
wrth...@ix.netcom.com
In <19980127210...@ladder03.news.aol.com> succ...@aol.com
(Succubyss) writes:
<about various musicians and Emptyvee "performance artists" being
harrassed by the Thought Police>
>Which was Bill T's point to WingWalkerShadowWerent. She can say her
>electrocution device is a purely innocent contraption and claim to
>have no responsibility to any derogatory effects others may have when
>using it, but her life can still be made downright unbearable should
>someone be hurt. I'm just trying to do my part. At least I think
>that's the point, I'm just getting confused again, time to go
>lie down. (The voices, that damned Pat Boone album I played backwards
>brought back the voices....)
That was my point, S. Flake Skywanker can land in a whole world of
hurt via the legal system. Even if she wins each and every case
against her, she can lose a lot of time and money.
If the weren't/psion is really stupid enough to set herself up for
trouble, that's her tough luck. I won't shed any blood--er, tears over
what she brings on herself. I *do* think of it as a civic
responsibility to warn her potential victims that her whizzbang can
kill.
Pat Boone? It's the backward-masked messages on those Anne Murray
albums you've got to look out for. Especially when the moon is full.
--Bill Thompson
video...@yahoo.com
All i can say about this whole thread is that kill files are a wonderful thing. I just need one that will scan the contents of an article and I wouldn't even see an article refering to her. But then again I would have a hard time filtering WingsLipsPensaflappin...hmmm maybe a regex of wing* will work...
VideoVamp
Succubyss
>aldo nova (i can't believe i'm the first one to get that)
>
>- jetgirl
You win!!!
S (and I can't believe I even KNEW that anymore)
Chiller
WngdWolf13 <wngdw...@aol.com> opined thus: -
>You all are high on something.
Lil' batwings.
Bugwings in ScatterbuG's case. Angel wings in jewels'.
Chiller
Ice and a slice?
chi...@cold.demon.co.uk
http://www.cold.demon.co.uk/index.html
The Madman who is Sane
Chiller wrote in message ...
|WngdWolf13 <wngdw...@aol.com> opined thus: -
|
|>You all are high on something.
|
|Lil' batwings.
|
|Bugwings in ScatterbuG's case. Angel wings in jewels'.
Imaginary wings in my case.
The name says it all.
Madman who is Sane
Succubyss
>Imaginary wings in my case.
>
>The name says it all.
>Madman who is Sane
>
>
Succubi need no wings to fly high.
S
The White Night
On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, The Madman who is Sane wrote:
>
> Chiller wrote in message ...
> |WngdWolf13 <wngdw...@aol.com> opined thus: -
> |
> |>You all are high on something.
> |
> |Lil' batwings.
> |
> |Bugwings in ScatterbuG's case. Angel wings in jewels'.
>
> Imaginary wings in my case.
>
> The name says it all.
> Madman who is Sane
We will fly, fly far away w/ our wings made from delicate crystals,
Up into the darkened skies to our own heaven.
We will meet our friends in the clouds, lost like us,
Wandering, wondering where this unexpected flight has taken us.
The White Night