Damn right it is,
In the real world, not as sure about "fighter simulation".
Snort
Worth every friggin' penny.
Craters
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Pull the .pins from my address to e-mail me.
Snort <b...@navtap.navy.milNOT> wrote in message
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>
> RoseVictor <rosev...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19990330225512...@ng41.aol.com...
> > ..is this a worthwile book for usable fighter simulation tactics and
> strat?
> > the price is a little high for a book on the thin side although I know
it
> is
> > considered a classic in the real fighter world.
> > thanks
>
Greg
--
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Tailslide's Air Combat Site
http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com
Regards,
Peter Inglis
mig...@migman.com.au
http://www.migman.com.au
RoseVictor wrote in message <19990330225512...@ng41.aol.com>...
It reads like a physics text book sometimes, but it really helps one to take
the next step of going from a pretty good pilot to an excellent one. I won't
kid you though, it is something to study as opposed to just read.
>..is this a worthwile book for usable fighter simulation tactics and strat?
>the price is a little high for a book on the thin side although I know it is
>considered a classic in the real fighter world.
>thanks
KC Cook
In my opinion (as an armchair pilot) it is a very valuable book but
it is about as difficult to understand as Lord of The Rings. Perhaps
I am just dumb. Anyways my biggest difficulty is to match situations
against the book. If I learn something then I usually find it later
in the book, missed at first. Shaw does not provide a cookbook and it
hurts us sim pilots.
--Pete
--Pete
I have some tactics pages on my site (link below) under WW2->tactics and
Jet->tactics you might find useful too.
Greg
--
Greg Pringle
Tailslide's Air Combat Site
http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com
Pete Zaitcev <zai...@bogus.com> wrote in message
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RoseVictor wrote in message <19990330225512...@ng41.aol.com>...
>..is this a worthwile book for usable fighter simulation tactics and
strat?
>the price is a little high for a book on the thin side although I know it
is
>considered a classic in the real fighter world.
>thanks
You are better off finding someone who can show you how to stay above and
inside..just my opinion.
Pasha
Best beer buddy i have.
HiTech
Jagr
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=o)
Name Dropper...
;o)
Pasha
Steve
www.evilavatar.com
Hairless Creampuffs acclimated to
happy-sunshine reviews no matter how
bad the game really is need not visit.
Mouse is a good shit IMHO... I have a pic of him wearing his DoD beanie
tucked into my copy of his book.
Sean Long
WB: -eagl-
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Derek
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Only because I lost a bet:
Miami is the better team
RoseVictor <rosev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I'm the son of a Navy F-4 pilot. Been crazy about planes for 40 years.
The book may be dense and dry on first reading because there is so very
much involved.
Read it 2 or 3 or 4 times. I absorb something new each time.
Ron Miller
Spartacus wrote in message <7du3rt$pb$1...@nw003t.infi.net>...
>I leaf through it all the time at Barnes and Noble, but it seems on the dry
>side as far as the tone of it goes. However, many people consider it a must
>have, so I'd probably buy this and one of the more accessible popular
>paperbacks out there. Can't go too far wrong parking both of them next to
>the throne when you get your next irresistible urge.
>
>RoseVictor wrote in message <19990330225512...@ng41.aol.com>...
A headache? Hell, more like a frickin' migraine!
It's a great book, but seriously tough reading.
>
>Steve
>
>www.evilavatar.com
>Hairless Creampuffs acclimated to
>happy-sunshine reviews no matter how
>bad the game really is need not visit.
>
>RoseVictor wrote in message <19990330225512...@ng41.aol.com>...
>>..is this a worthwile book for usable fighter simulation tactics and
>strat?
>>the price is a little high for a book on the thin side although I know it
>is
>>considered a classic in the real fighter world.
>>thanks
>
>
Remove countermeasures to Reply.
KCCook23 <kcco...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990331105239...@ng-fu1.aol.com>...
> If you're just a weekend warrior who like the occational flying around
and
> shooting things down it's overkill, but if you're like me and combat
> flight-sims are your hobby it is an absolute must have. Me and my wingy
used
> many of tactics outlined in airwarrior and found them to be extremely
helpful.
Many of the things Shaw covers are mainly applicable to jet combat. Prop
birds just don't have the E reserves to do a lot of the things he
recommends in there. WWII fanatics can pretty much skip chapters dealing
with getting missle solutions. But at least 2/3rds of the book are
applicable to any fighter type aircraft.
>
> It reads like a physics text book sometimes, but it really helps one to
take
> the next step of going from a pretty good pilot to an excellent one. I
won't
> kid you though, it is something to study as opposed to just read.
Oh no kidding! Shaw's a neat guy, and fun to hang around with, but COD...
That book is dry as toast. Definatly a textbook read... I kept my copy on
the back of the commode, and was, (if you'll pardon the expression...) able
to digest it in small bits at a time...
>
Brian Nolen
Spandau
Pete Zaitcev <zai...@bogus.com> wrote in article
<zaitcev.922902177@mallorn>...
> rosev...@aol.com (RoseVictor) writes:
> >..is this a worthwile book for usable fighter simulation tactics and
strat?
> >the price is a little high for a book on the thin side although I know
it is
> >considered a classic in the real fighter world.
>
> In my opinion (as an armchair pilot) it is a very valuable book but
> it is about as difficult to understand as Lord of The Rings. Perhaps
> I am just dumb. Anyways my biggest difficulty is to match situations
> against the book. If I learn something then I usually find it later
> in the book, missed at first. Shaw does not provide a cookbook and it
> hurts us sim pilots.
>
> --Pete
Well, despite the fact that Shaw flew Air Warrior some, he DID write it as
a textbook for the Navy. Wouldn't be suprised that someone tracked sales
of the book and wondered why so many sales outside of the armed services
crop up for that title...
But it is such a magical moment when you realize you have a classic setup
for one of the situations Shaw covers, and can then put your book larnin to
the test. Even more magical when you pass the test... So far I manage
about a C- at best....
Brian
Spandau
>
Michael <mi...@mike.net> wrote in article
<5rBM2.1153$qL2...@news.flash.net>...
> I wish my local barnes and noble carried this book.
>
>
Well, see it they'll order the blessed thing for ya... Since it's in print,
I doubt that they'll have a hard time getting it.
Brian Nolen
Spandau
By the way...did you ever complete that "mission"? :)
Sean Long <sean...@PLEASE.NO-SPAM.micron.net> wrote in message
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Regards,
Peter Inglis
mig...@migman.com.au
Visit the FLIGHT SIM MUSEUM at:
http://www.migman.com.au
Spartacus wrote in message <7du3rt$pb$1...@nw003t.infi.net>...
>I leaf through it all the time at Barnes and Noble, but it seems on the dry
>side as far as the tone of it goes. However, many people consider it a must
>have, so I'd probably buy this and one of the more accessible popular
>paperbacks out there. Can't go too far wrong parking both of them next to
>the throne when you get your next irresistible urge.
>
>RoseVictor wrote in message <19990330225512...@ng41.aol.com>...
>>..is this a worthwile book for usable fighter simulation tactics and
>strat?
>>the price is a little high for a book on the thin side although I know it
>is
>>considered a classic in the real fighter world.
>>thanks
>
>
>Best beer buddy i have.
WHAT?!?!?!
See if I let you buy lap dances for me ever again!
(well, maybe just a few...)
I'm assuming you'll be at this AW Con, right?
-moggy
--
gary cooper (not the dead one)
mailto:mo...@kesmai.com
Kesmai Studios Air Warrior Product Support
http://www.cris.com/~cooper
>Ah now... "throne room reading is an _entirely_ different
>kettle of fish..........Check out
>http://www.migman.com.au/ref/tt/
>for my fave throne material.... Fighter Combat is too
>big and heavy to read with one hand! ; < )
Jeez - am I the only one left with a Playboy subscription?
;)
Heater
Looking forward to seeingyou at the Con this year. Harry HAS roped you
up on it, right?
Tex
Now which one would that be?
<G>
Sean Long
WB: -eagl-
=Jagr= <jta...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, that was one fine trick....<G>
>
> By the way...did you ever complete that "mission"? :)
>
>
> Sean Long <sean...@PLEASE.NO-SPAM.micron.net> wrote in message
> news:T6CM2.21$R8....@skin01.micron.net...
> > Remember to ask him about the "double inverted moon" trick :) I had the
> > good fortune to be the safety observer for the con97 version.
> >
> > Mouse is a good shit IMHO... I have a pic of him wearing his DoD beanie
> > tucked into my copy of his book.
> >
> > Sean Long
> > WB: -eagl-
> >
> > <dad...@cris.com> wrote in message
> news:3702ab94....@nntp.cris.com...
>I'm assuming you'll be at this AW Con, right?
>
Ill be there
HiTech
>Jeez - am I the only one left with a Stolen Playboy subscription?
>
>-moggy
Nuff said.
Pasha
- Matt
WB: para
Spartacus wrote:
> I leaf through it all the time at Barnes and Noble, but it seems on the dry
> side as far as the tone of it goes.
One of the many good things about the book from my standpoint
is Appendix A, which is a very good review of "Fighter Performance."
How a plane accelerates, turns, dives, climbs, etc., all in 20 pp or so.
(Mine seems to be at the ofice ;)
- Matt
WB: para
However, as soon as I buy a replacement for it, I'll find the blasted thing
again.... that's the way things work for me.... Still trying to learn to
cooperate with a wingman... Wing tactics is probably the hardest of the
chapters to put into play effectively. But having been on the recieving
end of a few decent to good wing pairs, it's awesome...
Brian
Spandau=TH=
AW: Spand
And I buy it for my testicles :-)
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I mentioned to the wifey that I was misplacing my puter and probably
would need to purchase another....she nibbled a bit at the bait then
swam away...damn.
PAPA DOC
>>
>True true true. However my copy has gone missing. But considering the
>Sherlockian filing system I have around this house, it COULD be about 10
>feet from me as I type...
>
>However, as soon as I buy a replacement for it, I'll find the blasted thing
>again.... that's the way things work for me.... Still trying to learn to
>cooperate with a wingman... Wing tactics is probably the hardest of the
>chapters to put into play effectively. But having been on the recieving
>end of a few decent to good wing pairs, it's awesome...
>
>Brian
>Spandau=TH=
>AW: Spand
Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
pleg...@earthlink.net
Falcon 4 Instructor Pilot
Su-27 Pink Flamingo Pilot...<VBG>
http://www.papadoc.net
Home of the FALCON 4 Benchmark
Pierre Legrand wrote:
> Wifey's father has a solution to your filing problem. He has the same
> one you have....he just buys three of everything....makes it hard to
> lose...<VBG>
>
> I mentioned to the wifey that I was misplacing my puter and probably
> would need to purchase another....she nibbled a bit at the bait then
> swam away...damn.
>
> PAPA DOC
Heh heh, Papa, you are truely an EVIL man! ; )
Grundman