Hey they were all satanists...
Nightcrawler
Clinton is a satanist,Mother Teresa was a satanist...ha ha ha
You people are crazy...Ok if you are so proud of being Satanists why the
hell do you apologise all the time about being satanists?This group should
be called alt.apology.satanism.And what is your
problem with Christians?Without them you wouldn't even exist...And what are
you trying to prove by saying that all the great persons in human history
were
satanists?Don't get me wrong.I just have the feeling by reeding some of the
posts that you don't feel comfortable with what you believe.
Tanya Atieh
others see,Yes I believe in all Gawds and there would be no point to
christanity if there was no Satan.I take what I need from many sources, as Im
sure many others do.Santanism to me is very personal as Im sure as it is for
everybody else. Im very comfortable with myself.Satan sees all as equals he
himself claims not to be better than the rest of us nor do I. Therefore I
worship no one but myself at the same time I respect all I love all things
unless wronged .Yes I am a Satanist I give respect where respect is due. He is
the only Gawd that has my respect, to the point that I can state so. Satan does
not want followers he wants people to be their true selves .You do favors for
him he in turn does them for you. We are all equal. Why should one not defend
themselves or state their true feelings? I think it will make this world what
it was meant to be if people did not worship a Gawd they fear and felt freedom
to say what they truely want to. I fear nothing therefore I am what I am. Dont
try to be something you are not just be yourself. Remember this also ,the only
one you have to answer to is yourself ..........Hail Satan! (By doing so you
Hail Yourself!)
SatCozBorg307
Whoever does or doesn't follow this religion doesn't really bother me, as
long as I do!
I have been an atheist nearly all my life, thinking that you either believed
in something or didn't, no matter what it was, as far as I could see it all
boiled down to two fundamental aspects:
You believe (whatever religion)
OR
You don't believe (complete rejection)
This worked fine for me, and was happy to call myself an atheist, rejecting
ALL ideas of any supreme being or afterlife, you live and then you die.
Period.
However, when reading the CoS's website one day out of curiosity, I realised
that just because you don't believe in a religion, doesn't mean that you
can't have a belief system to do with living.
I read on, and found that with each paragraph I read, this religion suited
my lifestyle even more seamlessly than atheism.
This was suitheism, in believing us to be our own gods, and therefore laying
down morals and principles by which to live.
Although I already had these morals and principles as part of atheism, I
realised that if there was an type of religion that shared my beliefs, why
not join? If anything it would make it easier to talk to people who feel the
same.
<snip>
> And what is your problem with Christians? Without them you wouldn't even
exist...
</snip>
LaVeyan Satanism would not be affected, as it has nothing to do with
christianity, and is not just a 'blatant opposite' I realise however, you
may be refering to other forms of Satanism.
I have bonded with LaVeyan Satanism in a way I never could with any other
type of religion, even atheism. I do not believe in any form of god, heaven
or afterlife, and concurrently suits me down to the ground.
I realise that other people have different views and beliefs, but these are
mine and hope people will respect them even if they do not believe them, as
I will do to others.
I also realise that I have, in earlier postings been ignorant towards other
people and their religions, I formally apologise and all comments towards
other people that have been ill-founded are hereby recinded.
I thank you for taking the time to read this post, probably the only post by
me so far that is seemingly intelligent.
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SatCozBorg307
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ICQ# 26999580
Hail Satan!
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Tanya Atieh
Rev. Carroll D. Kraston
<SCB...@number-17.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
><snip>
>> And what is your problem with Christians? Without them you wouldn't even
>exist...
></snip>
>
>LaVeyan Satanism would not be affected, as it has nothing to do with
>christianity, and is not just a 'blatant opposite' I realise however, you
>may be refering to other forms of Satanism.
Actually, this isn't entirely true.
If there was no Christianity, there'd be no "Satan"ism, because the
satan concept really wasn't fleshed out until christians took it.
And despite the fact LaVey claimed Satanism was not the opposite of
Christianity, he chose a name from Christian myth, and spent the first
book of the Satanic Bible making careful use of blasphemy,
establishing that, in fact, this was an antichristian religion.
Then he adopted the nude female altar from the Black Mass model,
despite his claims that the original altar was "of flesh", I've never
found any evidence of nude women being altars in any religious rites
other than the Satanic rite, and the Black Mass, and we all know that
Black Masses were a christian invention.
The closest things to "living altars" that I've found have been
sacrificial altars, and of course, they weren't alive for long.There
could be an obscure tantric practice somewhere that involves girls on
altars, but I've never heard of it.
Most celtic/european pagan religions don't use an altar at all for
general religious rites, it's mostly an Eastern(judeao/Christian,
Hindu, Buddhist, etc) thing.
Anyway,Satanism would have a different name if there was no
Christianity, and chances are it wouldn't involve horned symbols.
Probably wouldn't even exist, since it's at least partially a reaction
against christian hypocrisy and repression.
Tanya Atieh
how you look at it. As for exact opposites not even close ,if that was the case
you take every word from the holy one and do the opposite.That is not Satanism
its something else .From what I have learned Satan is not the evil ,bad ,child
killing ,hateful being that the so called holy ones make him out to be. He is
what he is as I am what I am .He adores children and harms them not. He asks
nothing of us but one thing and that is to be our true selves .You do not shed
tears and beg Satan for anything .You ask and you recieve ,ask the holy one and
see what you get want ,need ,greed, and fear never what you ask for without
great prices such as selfesteem,humility ect......To me Satanism is the exact
opposite of christanity not the other way around. My apologys to those who wish
not to hear the defense I thought this was what this was all about self
expression ...........Hail Satan!
Abaddon45
name. The only strong connection between "LaVeyian" Satanism and Christianity
is the name Satan. LaVey used the image of Satan to portray nature and his
philosophy and actually did a pretty good job at using a suiting name because
you have to admit it sells.
I'll be the first to admit of I have come across plenty of so called
Satanist that we're some what ashamed to be a "Satanist "while all the while
they we're boasting about it. If you want my two cents these people are
hypocrites, nothing but trend seekers who are interested in Satanism because
they think it is cool. But every group and culture seems to have its own
definition of what is cool, so it isn't cool to be a Satanist all of the time.
Another thing is that people are always coming down on Satanist and these
people may actually care enough about what others think about them to be
ashamed, while all the while the claim to be there own Gods and not care what
others think. Although I do feel its better for one of these "Satanist" I keep
on hearing about (I don't meet to many people I would actually call Satanist)
to keep there beliefs in the closet as what you believe really isn't anyones
business to begin with. But that is different in the sense that what one
chooses to do in privacy is his business what ever it may be, and that person
is who receives the rewards of the situation. It's true the Church Of Satan or
at least people some how involved with the organization have made claims that
well known people though out history we're Satanist (Jack London ((Who was a
socialist!)) Nietzsche, George Carlin, Ayn Rand, etc.) But I think that those
people mostly being writers did enough to state there outlooks on life and
probably would have nothing to do with Satanism if it had been around for them
to know about it. Have you ever seen a commercial where a celebrity tries to
sell you something? I think its a lot like that, in the sense that they can say
"All these great people we're Satanist don't you wanna be like them?". It is
also plain and out in the open that Anton LaVey ripped off Nietzsche, Ayn Rand,
and Redbeard almost word for word (Who Anton LaVey claimed was Jack London
under a pen name although this has been argued and claimed by some to be
false). If you use some ones ideas I'm sure they adhered to them, but whose
ideas we're they adhering to?
Julian
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"Against that positivism which stops before phenonena, saying "there are
only facts," I should say: no, it is precisely facts that do not exist, only
interpretations..." Nietzsche
Do Not Send Me Spam!
Paula13S
>hell do you apologise all the time about being satanists?
OK i don't apologise for a damn thing and to me you can bug the LaVeyans all
you want to but you come near me and start preaching you god crap i will send
you e-mail telling you to leave me alone and cuss you out as well ...
Migra1811
>From: paul...@aol.com (Paula13S)
>Date: 1/4/99 11:39 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <19990105003907...@ng118.aol.com>
WOOOOOOOOO. That's sure to put the Fear of Hell into 'em!