From Al to Stan
Bermuda Schwartz
similar post.
AN OPEN LETTER TO STAN ROSENTHAL
Dear Stan,
Recently I was at Bermuda's house working on demos for the new album,
and he showed me the mountain of posts that you have been making in
the newsgroup.
First of all, I personally guarantee that there are absolutely no
references to or hidden meanings about Brave Combo, Camel, Schwantz
Lefantz, Bucketheads, Fish-cults, the "Know-Nothing" movement, or even
Stan & the Sequencers in any of my songs. I wrote them, I should
know. I'm not sure that even my telling you this point blank will
cause you to change your opinions, but I just felt it had to be said.
And secondly, I'm not laying blame here, but I think it's pretty
obvious that you've been a disruptive presence on the newsgroup.
You're certainly entitled to your opinions (just as everyone else is
entitled to flame you for them), but things have gotten beyond
ridiculous.
Stan, I'm sorry to ask you this, but please - please stop posting to
the newgroup. That's the only way this flame war is ever going to
end. A lot of my online friends have become quite irritated by all
this, and quite frankly, I don't like the thought that a lot of
potential new fans are being driven away from my newgroup because they
have to sift through hundreds of messages about you before they can
read anything about me.
So Stan, PLEASE. If you have any respect for me *at all*, honor my
request and don't post in this newsgroup any more. I will consider it
a personal favor.
Thank you in advance.
Sincerely,
Al Yankovic
LSchu17
Guess this proves that question..."If Al was here, think he'd appreciate Stan?"
<br><br>-Lee<br>Stan needs help. Call Charter for him. 1-800-CHARTER. It might
help.
Whtsametau
Bermuda Schwartz
>In article <36056bb1...@news.loop.com>, ber...@weirdal.com (Bermuda
>Schwartz) presents "hear-say":
>
>>Al faxed me this, coincidentally around the same time I made a
>>similar post.
>>
>>
>>AN OPEN LETTER TO STAN ROSENTHAL
I explained to Al that you would either deny it was him, or say that I
was posting messages without his approval/knowledge, or say "prove
it".
Al said he would call, or write, or even send you a video of him
telling you the above sentiments. Would THAT be enough evidence for
you? It's a golden opportunity to get the information straight from
the horse's mouth, where there can be no question about cover-ups,
censorship, or anyone else spreading information on Al's behalf.
I think that's a pretty amazing offer, and it shows the extent to
which Al is concerned about his fans. (sorry, offer open only to Stan)
You may email your info to Ask Al, and I will alert Al's manager to
that particular email.
This is the only chance you will have to actually get the truth.
Bermuda
Arthur Dent
:-)
-Arthur Dent
"My brothers and sisters always hated me cause I was an only child!" -
"Weird Al" Yankovic
"...I repeat we have normality. Anything you still cant cope with is
therefore your own problem. Please relax." -Trillion "The Hitchhikers Guide
To The Galaxy"
Raquel Hartzell
he shouldn't have to waste his time. I am (as I'm sure others are) very
grateful that he is willing to help us, as we are for Jon. Which, I hope
Jon will pass on our thanks to him.
Though I post very little - I've always enjoyed reading this group and
will be happy when everything is over.
Thanks again to Al and Jon.
-Raquel
tera a bouton
Arthur Dent wrote in message <6u429r$c5k$1...@husk.cso.niu.edu>...
>I would pay 50 dollars to get a video of Al bashing Stan. Maybe even more
>:-)
I think we would all pitch in and pay a WHOLE LOT MORE to see that!
Tera :-)
tera a bouton
LSchu17 wrote in message <19980920210838...@ng-cr1.aol.com>...
>
>>Sure, I'll take you up on that. Make it a video, or a (voice) phone call.
>>
>>Stan
>
>u gotta lotta nerve, Stan...I see pain and torture in your future.
Maybe, Bermuda will post the video on his webpage as a RealPlayer file
and we can all download it and play it ...over....and over...and
over...hehehehehehehehe
Or he could just auction it off to the highest bidder. It would
probably be worth more than Mark McGwire's 62nd home run ball. IMHO (just
had to throw that in there, :-) )
Tera
Rich/MetalMan
>
> Al faxed me this, coincidentally around the same time I made a
> similar post.
>
> AN OPEN LETTER TO STAN ROSENTHAL
>
This is a sad state that our newsgroup is in when the man himself, Al
Yankovic, has to resort to taking time out of his busy recording/writing
schedule to persuade one person to leave a Usenet newsgroup.
Still, you did a darn fine job of it, Al!
--
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-
"This is your life and you do what you want to do, just don't hurt
nobody, unless they ask you" -XTC
-
"Do you have a special something you take to bed with you? Does it make
you feel good if you hold your special something?" -Mr. Rogers
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http://members.xoom.com/taoster/
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LSchu17
> I think we would all pitch in and pay a WHOLE LOT MORE to see that!
>
> Tera :-)
front row seats are going for 270$! :)
Whtsametau
Schwartz) writes:
>Al said he would call, or write, or even send you a video of him
>telling you the above sentiments. Would THAT be enough evidence for
>you? It's a golden opportunity to get the information straight from
>the horse's mouth, where there can be no question about cover-ups,
>censorship, or anyone else spreading information on Al's behalf.
>
>I think that's a pretty amazing offer, and it shows the extent to
>which Al is concerned about his fans. (sorry, offer open only to Stan)
>
>You may email your info to Ask Al, and I will alert Al's manager to
>that particular email.
Sure, I'll take you up on that. Make it a video, or a (voice) phone call.
Stan
LSchu17
>Sure, I'll take you up on that. Make it a video, or a (voice) phone call.
>
>Stan
u gotta lotta nerve, Stan...I see pain and torture in your future. I'm
available at 1-800-FUTURE1
Anonymous
> Sure, I'll take you up on that. Make it a video, or a (voice) phone call.
Don't do it. Any promises he makes he'll renege on. 'Sides,
that would be rewarding him for being an asshole. Al's fans
deserve better than that. Don't be fooled, Stan's not an Al fan,
he's an "I want the center of attention" fan. Similar to
D.Sharpe on alt.music.pink-floyd.
Alfan27
I haven't said much through all of this, but.. I just have to now... :)
<loud applause for Bermuda and Al>
Thanks, guys! :)
~Anne
Kevin Clow
> >>
> >
> >u gotta lotta nerve, Stan...I see pain and torture in your future.
>
> and we can all download it and play it ...over....and over...and
> over...hehehehehehehehe
that brings up an interesting point. if al went to the trouble of
making this video (which, as has been stated already, it's unfortunate
that it's become nessecary), stan could easily watch it and say it
wasn't al, or say he didn't even get the video. if there was some way
that everyone else on the newsgroup would know what is actually on the
video, that would be a lot better. i'd like to recommend real video, so
we could watch it without having to download it
LSchu17
why send stan a free video? What he'll prolly do is copy it and sell it on his
gang's market.
Jawa Hutt
>
>that brings up an interesting point. if al went to the trouble of
>making this video (which, as has been stated already, it's unfortunate
>that it's become nessecary), stan could easily watch it and say it
>wasn't al, or say he didn't even get the video. if there was some way
>that everyone else on the newsgroup would know what is actually on the
>video, that would be a lot better. i'd like to recommend real video, so
>we could watch it without having to download it
I don't like the quality of Real Video. I'd prefer to have something like
QuickTime or .avi so that we can have this piece of music history forever and
ever. But if we had a downloadable version of the Real Video, that would be
great!
-Timothy
http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/127/index.html
"Don't even speak of The Beat Menace!"
Daniel Amos, "Return of the Beat Menace"
Whtsametau
Schwartz) writes:
>And secondly, I'm not laying blame here, but I think it's pretty
>obvious that you've been a disruptive presence on the newsgroup.
>You're certainly entitled to your opinions (just as everyone else is
>entitled to flame you for them), but things have gotten beyond
>ridiculous.
>
>Stan, I'm sorry to ask you this, but please - please stop posting to
>the newgroup. That's the only way this flame war is ever going to
>end.
Whomever said it, it's true. As long as I post, they will flame. So, I've
changed my mind, I'm taking off. I may be back, but I won't stay long if I do
return.
Bye!
Stan,
Stan and the Sequencers
members.aol.com/StanSqncrs/
SeinJunkie
>Whomever said it, it's true. As long as I post, they will flame. So, I've
>changed my mind, I'm taking off. I may be back, but I won't stay long if I
>do
>return.
>
>Bye!
>
>Stan,
Woo-hoo! Whether it's true or not.
if it's false, we're in the same situation as before
if it's true, Stan's gone!
WAYne
"In all the time I was growing up, I only saw Dad cry two times. After the
first time, I didn't say anything. But after the second time I left a note on
his dresser that said "See a psychiatrist." -Jack Handey
http://listen.to/thewayneeffect
I8spamanda
>I would pay 50 dollars to get a video of Al bashing Stan. Maybe even more
>:-)
I'd bid $780 to see it!
whoa... flashbacks. ;)
Joey Odorisio
Wow, this not only shows what class Al has and how much he thinks of
his fans, but how obnoxious Stan has become. I`m not the only one that`s
said this, but if you do have an Ignore or Kill File option on your
browser, USE IT! I haven`t read a single post from Stan in 2 weeks and
skipped over plenty of posts much quicker than if his posts were being
loaded in.
- JOEY ODORISIO Joey.A....@widener.edu
http://pages.prodigy.com/RGJX08B/index.html
"I`m not scared...I`m outta here."-R.E.M.,Electrolite
Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>I would pay 50 dollars to get a video of Al bashing Stan. Maybe even more
>:-)
>
> -Arthur Dent
Honestly, it's not Al's intention to bash Stan. Al has directly
offered to talk some sense into him, but Stan will simply not listen.
Stan has his own beliefs and as everyone has experienced, there is no
progress made in trying to reason with him, present evidence, or even
have a mature discussion, as many of us have attempted.
Stan is apparently passing up a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. So
much for his desire to get at the truth by hearing it from Al.
Berm
Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>It's sad that Al would have to go through such trouble for one person,
>he shouldn't have to waste his time. I am (as I'm sure others are) very
>grateful that he is willing to help us, as we are for Jon. Which, I hope
>Jon will pass on our thanks to him.
>Though I post very little - I've always enjoyed reading this group and
>will be happy when everything is over.
>
>Thanks again to Al and Jon.
Thanks Raq, I will let him know how the fans have responded, and how
Stan has responded.
Jon
Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>that brings up an interesting point. if al went to the trouble of
>making this video (which, as has been stated already, it's unfortunate
>that it's become nessecary), stan could easily watch it and say it
>wasn't al, or say he didn't even get the video. if there was some way
>that everyone else on the newsgroup would know what is actually on the
>video, that would be a lot better. i'd like to recommend real video, so
>we could watch it without having to download it
Folks, this isn't that big of a deal - it's Al making an effort to
reach someone, but it is NOT for public consumption. This is a
non-event, and will not be on my news page.
Stan has indicated that he's willing to listen to Al, and that's a
good step.
Bermuda
Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>>AN OPEN LETTER TO STAN ROSENTHAL
>
> Wow, this not only shows what class Al has and how much he thinks of
>his fans, but how obnoxious Stan has become.
I would venture to say that in the 60,000+ available newsgroups, there
are precious few where the subject of newsgroup would care enough and
send a message as Al has done.
Al does have lot of class.
Bermuda
Bermuda Schwartz
<cbun...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> This is a sad state that our newsgroup is in when the man himself, Al
>Yankovic, has to resort to taking time out of his busy recording/writing
>schedule to persuade one person to leave a Usenet newsgroup.
> Still, you did a darn fine job of it, Al!
I think Al's goal is to "reach" Stan. So far, Stan has demonstrated
that he will not be reached.
We shall wait and see...
Bermuda
Verdawid68
>Al does have lot of class.
>
>Bermuda
Both of you do. Thank you!
Liz =)
Steven Shilling
There's a great new Stan Haters web page! I just happened to find it.
The address is:
http://members.tripod.com/~stansucks/index.html
You can read stuff about "the stoop" and you can even see a picture of
him!
Cindy Groves
Anonymous wrote in message <1998092101...@replay.com>...
>Whtsametau wrote:
>> Sure, I'll take you up on that. Make it a video, or a (voice) phone
call.
>
>that would be rewarding him for being an asshole. Al's fans
>deserve better than that. Don't be fooled, Stan's not an Al fan,
>he's an "I want the center of attention" fan. Similar to
>D.Sharpe on alt.music.pink-floyd.
>
Gee, I've written two letters to Al (via Close Personal Friends of Al) and
so far, no response! And here Stan gets his own personal Al video? Life's
*so* unfair! <joking>
Cindy
Pstokely
>Stan needs help. Call Charter for him. 1-800-CHARTER. It mighthelp.
>
>
If you dont get help at Charter, please get help somewhere
Pstokely
>Hey everybody,
>There's a great new Stan Haters web page! I just happened to find it.
>The address is:
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~stansucks/index.html
now all we need is a Cartman2bb hate page
C M Barnes
psto...@aol.com (Pstokely) wrote:
>
>>Stan needs help. Call Charter for him. 1-800-CHARTER. It mighthelp.
>>
>>
>
>If you dont get help at Charter, please get help somewhere
No, no, go to Charter! (That's where I work, and that would help pay my
salary)
Carlotta
LSchu17
>No, no, go to Charter! (That's where I work, and that would help pay my
>salary)
And they have good rice and vegie pizza...
<br><br>-Lee<br>Stan needs help. Call Charter for him. 1-800-CHARTER. It might
help.
Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>
>Anonymous wrote in message <1998092101...@replay.com>...
>>Whtsametau wrote:
>>> Sure, I'll take you up on that. Make it a video, or a (voice) phone
>call.
>>
>>Don't do it. Any promises he makes he'll renege on. 'Sides,
>>that would be rewarding him for being an asshole. Al's fans
>>deserve better than that.
>Gee, I've written two letters to Al (via Close Personal Friends of Al) and
>so far, no response! And here Stan gets his own personal Al video? Life's
>*so* unfair! <joking>
>
>Cindy
The extent of Al's concern shows just how much he cares about his fans
- bith the ones who DO understand the songs, as well as those who
don't.
Bermuda
Rainbow Heron
> that he will not be reached.
>
> We shall wait and see...
>
> Bermuda
Perhaps a big bolt of lightening from the sky? or computer whichever the
case may be...
In any case, I think y'all (Bermy & Al) are really good sports 'bout
this maniac. Thax evermore for y'all's support!
Rainbow Heron
Pstokely
>And they have good rice and vegie pizza...
>
have you been there
David Tanny
>Hey everybody,
>There's a great new Stan Haters web page! I just happened to find it.
>The address is:
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~stansucks/index.html
>
>You can read stuff about "the stoop" and you can even see a picture of
>him!
ROFL! Very good whoever put this up.
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Todd
>
> Bermuda
Berm,
You both proved to us at Alcon just how much class you both have. All this
does is reinforce the issue for some of the doubters here. LOL! LIke
ANYONE could doubt the honest sincerity and caring of you or Al.
-Trivial Todd-
Cindy Groves
Bermuda Schwartz wrote in message <3606e3a2...@news.loop.com>...
>The extent of Al's concern shows just how much he cares about his fans
>- bith the ones who DO understand the songs, as well as those who
>don't.
>
>Bermuda
Very true! I didn't mean to imply that Al didn't care about my letters - I
was kidding.
BTW, I also wanted to thank Al for taking his time to deal with this matter
in such a restrained and decent manner.
Cindy Groves
Whtsametau
stand at this point -
=======
"First of all, I personally guarantee that there are absolutely no references
to ... "
He certainly doesn't say "(see ...)" anywhere.
"or hidden meanings ... "
The meanings are out in the open, IMHO.
"about Brave Combo, Camel, Schwantz Lefantz, Bucketheads, Fish-cults, the
"Know-Nothing" movement, or even Stan & the Sequencers in any of my songs."
Notice, Al admirers, he didn't say that he doesn't "sing about" or "write
about" or that " ... there is absolutely no "syncs" or "synchronicity" or
"synchronicities" with ... ". And, if you look at the subject matter of the
threads in question, the theory presented is like 'Al/... Sync'.
Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 10th edition -
synchronicity ... 2 : the coincidental occurrence of events and esp. psychic
events (as similar thoughts in widely separated persons or a mental image of an
unexpected event before it happens) that seem releated but are not explained by
conventional mechanisms of causality - used esp. in the psychology of C. G.
Jung
AND, he also didn't say that there aren't references to or hidden meanings
about Todd Rundgren, ELP, Pink Floyd, The Police, SuperSister, 4, 8, 14 (or
even 27), James "Big Bucks" Burnett, The Ducks, Randy Leago, Little Jack
Melody, The Nuclear Hamsters, Saturday Night Live, David Letterman, or even
What's A Meta U, etc.
" ... A lot of my online friends have become quite irritated by all this"
Al, with friends like that, who needs enemies. Notice Al admirers, he doesn't
say that his online "fans" or "admirers" have become quite irritated by all
this (or even his offline friends, in fact, based on Al's new picture with
Victoria Jackson (see Bermuda's website, new pictures), it appears as if she
couldn't care less).
" ... and quite frankly, I don't like the thought that a lot of potential new
fans are being driven away from my newgroup because they have to sift through
hundreds of messages about you before they can read anything about me. ... "
Unfortunately, it is my opinion, that he can't also say that he also doesn't
like the thought that a lot of potential new fans are being driven away from
his newsgroup by the IRC gang.
========
"On 20 Sep 1998 22:11:21 GMT, whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
>In article <36056bb1...@news.loop.com>, ber...@weirdal.com (Bermuda
>Schwartz) presents "hear-say":
>
>>Al faxed me this, coincidentally around the same time I made a
>>similar post.
>>
>>
>>AN OPEN LETTER TO STAN ROSENTHAL
I explained to Al that you would either deny it was him, or say that I was
posting messages without his approval/knowledge, or say "prove it"."
Of course you didn't tell Al that I would claim "hear-say". ;-)
"Al said he would call, or write, or even send you a video of him telling you
the above sentiments."
So Al admirers, why, if Bermuda knew in advance that I was gonna challenge the
authenticity of the 'Al Fax', did he not offer that kind of evidence in the
first place? IMHO, it's because he WANTED me to challenge the authenticity of
the 'Al Fax'. It was only AFTER I made that challenge, that Bermuda offered
the prize. (what's the bidding up to now? :-) )
"Would THAT be enough evidence for you? It's a golden opportunity to get the
information straight from the horse's mouth ... "
It's better than looking at a screen of text.
"where there can be no question about cover-ups, censorship, or anyone else
spreading information on Al's behalf."
Since that appears to be an undebatable subject (thanks to the presense of the
IRC gang), I won't say anything about that until I hear the tone of Al's voice,
or see the video.
"I think that's a pretty amazing offer, and it shows the extent to which Al is
concerned about his fans.
And I appreciate that.
"(sorry, offer open only to Stan)"
Why? Because I'm apparently the only fan/admirer to actually get down and
study the lyrics/art. And the flamers can try to tell you otherwise, but an
artist/musician doesn't create art/music without wanting folk to attempt to
understand it. I know, that even if I've come up with the wrong conclusions
from it, Al appreciates the effort.
" ... This is the only chance you will have to actually get the truth."
And that is why I so readily took up the offer (even before I made my detailed
study of the 'Al Fax'). I didn't come here to be the center of attention, the
flamers made me that way. I'm on what The Who calls (IMHO) The Amazing Journey
(Tommy). I'm on a quest for truth. I'd be much more happy knowing (for sure)
that he's not syncing up to my faves, rather than simply thinking that he's
doing it.
" ... This is the only chance you will have to actually get the truth."
I see this as confirmation that Bermuda (and Al) (if them (and remember, I
still think it most likely that it's the real things)) agree with me, that you
can't simply look at a e-mail address, and know for sure that the person
speaking is actually the person claimed to be. They agree, the only way that
I'll know for sure, is to hear it from the horses mouth. WITH a way of
confirming that it's the actual horse speaking.
And guess what. The only way that YOU will know for sure, is if you hear it
from the horses mouth. And because no one else but me questions the
authenticity of the 'Al Fax', and it's purpose will have been served (after I
get confirmation that it's really him (via the video/call, whichever it may
be)), there's no reason for Al or Bermuda to publicly release it. It appears
that the decision to release it will be mine. What's the bidding up to? ;-)
In other words, unless I decide to release it, YOU won't know for sure, unless
you take the same Amazing Journey that I'm on.
So Berm, since I'm not even secretly reading this newsgroup, if Al decides to
have another open letter to Stan Rosenthal to fill in on issues brought up
here, please forward it to me via e-mail (and keep me up on how high the
bidding goes :-) (it was at $270. when I left)).
Mr Khaoz
Wow. you ARE annoying, Stan. Read my quote- I hereby dedicate it to you.
-Khaoz
"Did you think at all before you said that?? Everyone here is now a bit dumber
because of you."
-Khaoz
MItY fLiP
Stan, you said you were leaving! Need a videotape? I think we should have the
newsgroup exercised. Maybe fumagated. We got pests. Stan, did you or did you
not say that you were leaving for good? Keep your promises. I might be forced
to call AOL offline and complain over the phone. That always seems to get
their attention. Anyway, crawl back under the rock you came out of and leave
us alone.
-ThE mIgHtY fLiP
www.angelfire.com/mn/themightyflip/index.html
CatraDhtem
<< I'm presenting these responses to let the newsgroup know where I believe
things
stand at this point >>
You mean other than people wanting to pound you into a fine gray putty?
Don't start again, S'tan. We haven't let our guard down for a second.
David Tanny
I see Stan posted another boring post, but I'm too busy working on my Today in
History Datebooks to argue. Cya all Thursday!
d.t.
Zzzzzz......ZZZzzzz.....Zzzzzz.....Zzzz.....
whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
REMOVE THE YAHOO TO RESPOND
Rick
>Zzzzzz......ZZZzzzz.....Zzzzzz.....Zzzz.....
>
>I see Stan posted another boring post, but I'm too busy working on my Today in
>History Datebooks to argue. Cya all Thursday!
>
>d.t.
>
>Zzzzzz......ZZZzzzz.....Zzzzzz.....Zzzz.....
What? Whatshisname is back? I have him killfiled but I see he's
slopped over into other people's messages.
>
>whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
>
<snip>
>>=======
>>"First of all, I personally guarantee that there are absolutely no references
>>to ... "
<snip>
>>"about Brave Combo, Camel, Schwantz Lefantz, Bucketheads, Fish-cults, the
>>"Know-Nothing" movement, or even Stan & the Sequencers in any of my songs."
>>
>>Notice, Al admirers, he didn't say that he doesn't "sing about" or "write
>>about" or that " ... there is absolutely no "syncs" or "synchronicity" or
>>"synchronicities" with ... ". And, if you look at the subject matter of the
>>threads in question, the theory presented is like 'Al/... Sync'.
What part of "there are absolutely no references" don't you
understand? Apparently all of it.
>>Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 10th edition -
<snip>
Here's another word for you to look up:
delusion: n. 1. a false believe or opinion. 2. a persistant false
belief that is a symptom or form of maddness.
Rick
Turkey Lurkey
Whtsametau <whtsa...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980923041...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>I'm presenting these responses to let the newsgroup know where I believe
things
>stand at this point
You are presenting NOTHING you miserable little prick!
Al and Bermuda have gone above and beyond the call of duty in dealing with
you, and you still spit in their faces!!!! HOW DARE YOU pick apart Al's
letter, and the incredible offer he has extended to make you a personal
video and try to straighten out your warped mind!!! AND THEN you say that
you might even release it to the fans for a price, and THEN say you don't
even think the letter might be from Al at all!!! Everybody here knows that
when Bermuda posts a message from Al, it is from Al, PERIOD, you arrogant,
contemptuous DICKHEAD!!!!
Most people would KILL for such an opportunity, and all you have done is
whine!!!
You are a genuine goddamned piece of work.
Mike Jenkins
David Tanny
> What? Whatshisname is back? I have him killfiled but I see he's
>slopped over into other people's messages.
>
>>
>>whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
>>
><all that b.s. of wotsamoronu deleted>
I have him killfiled too but that message popped up. He must have changed a
letter in his name or something.
Arthur Dent
Not saying that Stan has the right to show his face quite yet in here,
but...why do you have ANY reason to scream, yell, or cause disruption in the
chat room over him when the reason we wanted his gone was because of that.
You just opposed everything you stood for in trying to remove Stan. He only
made ONE post in 3 days, so give him a break. Now, on the other hand, Stan,
if you start posting obnoxious posts, and/or many posts, you will have
problems. But until he does, everyone give him a break and start talking
about AL related stuff, not how much you are gonna pound Stan's face in, or
how much you hate him. The reason we are in the AL newsgroup is to talk
about AL. So get off the Stan subject and start talking about AL.
-Arthur Dent
"My brothers and sisters all hated me cause I was an only child!" - "Weird
Al" Yankovic
"...I repeat we have normality. Anything you still cant cope with is
therefore your own problem. Please relax." -Trillion "The Hitchhikers Guide
To The Galaxy"
Bermuda Schwartz
>I'm presenting these responses to let the newsgroup know where I believe things
>stand at this point -
>=======
>"First of all, I personally guarantee that there are absolutely no references
>to ... "
>
>He certainly doesn't say "(see ...)" anywhere.
<etc etc snip snap snip>
Well fans & friends, based on Stan’s responses to the content of Al’s
post, it is evident that no matter what Al says (or doesn’t say), Stan
will grasp at semantics to show that he believes Al is covering up, or
denying, or deliberately omitting information.
Al went WAY out on a limb by writing a letter to try and reach one
misguided fan, and even after a clear explanation that Al felt
addressed Stan’s issues, Stan refused to accept what Al said, and
again questioned whether it was Al who wrote the letter.
Such insolence and disrespect for Al’s effort will not be rewarded.
Al was prepared to tape a short video this week, just for Stan’s
benefit. After I discussed Stan’s newest post with Al, we decided that
there’s apparently nothing he could say that Stan wouldn’t continue to
challenge further and that, as a result, Stan’s misunderstandings
would never get resolved in the process. There is obviously no way to
convince Stan.
The offer for the video is withdrawn.
Stan looked his gift horse in the mouth.
Bermuda
PS: Yes, I know that Stan will imply that Al won’t make the tape
because he can’t deny Stan’s alleged references, syncs, etc. It’s so
ironic that in his search for the truth, Stan’s cannot even recognize
it. Too bad, so sad.
Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>First of all everyone,
> Not saying that Stan has the right to show his face quite yet in here,
>but...why do you have ANY reason to scream, yell, or cause disruption in the
>chat room over him when the reason we wanted his gone was because of that.
>You just opposed everything you stood for in trying to remove Stan. He only
>made ONE post in 3 days, so give him a break.
While I might not use some of the language that Mike used, I do agree
with his sentiments (Please see my reaction to Stan's last post,
elsewhere in this thread.) I think everyone can agree that both Al
and I have made rather extreme efforts to try and reach out to Stan,
and what Mike said was absolutely correct - Stan spit in our faces.
As for giving Stan a break for saying he was outta here and then
coming back twice in three days, I personally see no need to cut him
any slack. In just five weeks, he has incited and encouraged an
outrageous level of anger, frustration and fear in this newsgroup by
posting more than 1,160 sarcastic, badgering, rude, argumentative,
mostly pointless, bandwidth-wasting articles, and he has needlessly
challenged everyone here including me, and especially Al.
It will take me a LOT longer than 3 days to forgive...or forget.
Bermuda
Mr Khaoz
>Al was prepared to tape a short video this week
::snip::
Well, while Stan is bust burying himself in the hole he dug, I'd like to
suggest that maybe Al make the tape anyway. I'm new to this NG, but have been
a dedicated AL fan for over 10 years, and I think I can speak for the other
fans in this NG when I say that WE, the sane people, would like a tape :)
I realize that the whole message to Stan tape was for OUR benefit, not Stan's,
but still, if he has an openeing...<grin>
Arthur Dent
obnoxious posts, or multiple posts, why yell at him any longer? Why say you
are going to kill him? By doing this, not only does it create unnecessary
posts that many people argued from Stan in the first place, but it is just
plain mean. In no way would I defend Stan if he started posting again, but
he seems to have either changed which means that we too should attempt to
change, or has been locked from posting which means that we are basically
stabbing him in the back. And no offense to anyone but...I am not a
backstabber in any way. I dont know about the rest of you, but I hope you
are not.
Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>I dont want anyone to forget or forgive Stan, but if he is not making
>obnoxious posts, or multiple posts, why yell at him any longer? Why say you
>are going to kill him?
Whoa Chris, I didn't say anything like that! Also, I'm not doing any
yelling around here.
> In no way would I defend Stan if he started posting again, but
>he seems to have either changed which means that we too should attempt to
>change, or has been locked from posting which means that we are basically
>stabbing him in the back.
He obviously has not been blocked from posting, and as for changing,
he is behaving just as he always has.
Bermuda
Rick
>I dont want anyone to forget or forgive Stan, but if he is not making
>obnoxious posts, or multiple posts, why yell at him any longer?
> Why say you
>are going to kill him?
I think Mike said "Most people would KILL for such an opportunity, and
all you have done is whine!!!"
A little different than an actual threat to kill anyone.
> By doing this, not only does it create unnecessary
>posts that many people argued from Stan in the first place, but it is just
>plain mean. In no way would I defend Stan if he started posting again, but
>he seems to have either changed which means that we too should attempt to
>change, or has been locked from posting which means that we are basically
>stabbing him in the back. And no offense to anyone but...I am not a
>backstabber in any way. I dont know about the rest of you, but I hope you
>are not.
>
I didn't see any change in him. He pretty much called Jon a liar by
insinuating the Al fax might not be from Al. He nit-picked every
little word in it trying to twist it around to his meaning.
He's worn out his welcome. I don't like verbally abusing someone
who's mentally impared but he's beyond obnoxious. If most people here
aren't willing to cut him any slack it's with good reason.
Rick
Kevin Clow
> >...why yell at him any longer? Why say you
> >are going to kill him?
>
> yelling around here.
i don't think it was a reference to you, there were a few responses to
his post-parted posts that were just as nasty as the previous situation
> He obviously has not been blocked from posting, and as for changing,
> he is behaving just as he always has.
but, thankfully, much less frequently
Wayhanson
Bermuda, if you read this, let me take this time to follow the example of many
others and applaud you and Al. Let me also say that I agree with others that
you yourself have class, as you always took the time to read and reply to my
mails when I mailed you, celared up some misunderstandings, and also given me
advice on Al and my site. So may all AL fans also recognize that if you can't
talk to Al, talk to Bermuda!!!!!!
Rainbow Heron
> because he can’t deny Stan’s alleged references, syncs, etc. It’s so
> ironic that in his search for the truth, Stan’s cannot even recognize
> it. Too bad, so sad.
"blindman stood on the road and he cried..."
Rainbow Heron
Whtsametau
The (supposed) Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz writes:
>"Would THAT be enough evidence for you? It's a golden opportunity to get the
>information straight from the horse's mouth ... "
The horse, huh? Here's from the liner notes to Tiny Tim (and THE Brave
Combo's) Girl -
James "Big Bucks" Burnett - "In 1988 I brought Tiny Tim to Dallas, Texas to
headline my third Mr. Ed music festiveal, Ed A Go Go ... "
Mr. Ed was a TV show about a horse that could talk. Meaning, (IMHO) The horse
("Weird Al") also goes by another alias - James "Big Bucks" Burnett.
Stan,
The Machine's Pump -
members.aol.com/whtsametau/BraveCombo/pumparchive.html
Mike Hoffman
whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
> Mr. Ed was a TV show about a horse that could talk. Meaning, (IMHO) The horse
> ("Weird Al") also goes by another alias - James "Big Bucks" Burnett.
Kids, turn your heads and plug your ears. This is grown-up talk.
Stan, you are TOTALLY fucked in the head.
MItY fLiP
The (supposed) Stan writes:
>The (supposed) Jon "Bermuda" Schwartz writes:
>
>>"Would THAT be enough evidence for you? It's a golden opportunity to get the
>>information straight from the horse's mouth ... "
>
>The horse, huh? Here's from the liner notes to Tiny Tim (and THE Brave
>Combo's) Girl -
>
>James "Big Bucks" Burnett - "In 1988 I brought Tiny Tim to Dallas, Texas to
>headline my third Mr. Ed music festiveal, Ed A Go Go ... "
>
>Mr. Ed was a TV show about a horse that could talk. Meaning, (IMHO) The
>horse
>("Weird Al") also goes by another alias - James "Big Bucks" Burnett.
>
>Stan
You like quotes as replies? "They're coming to take me away, ha ha, ho ho, he
he, hum hum. They're taking me to the funny farm where life is happy ALL the
time, and they're coming to take me away! -And I'll be happy to see those nice
young men in their clean white suits, and they're coming to take me away!"
-ThE mIgHtY fLiP
www.angelfire.com/mn/themightyflip/index.html
Jon Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>In article <19981001020308...@ngol04.aol.com>,
>whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
>
>> Mr. Ed was a TV show about a horse that could talk. Meaning, (IMHO) The horse
>> ("Weird Al") also goes by another alias - James "Big Bucks" Burnett.
>
>Kids, turn your heads and plug your ears. This is grown-up talk.
>
>
>
> Stan, you are TOTALLY fucked in the head.
That's opinion spoken as fact!
If you had left out "totally", THEN it would be a fact!
Bermuda
Rick
>In article <19981001020308...@ngol04.aol.com>,
>whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
>
>> Mr. Ed was a TV show about a horse that could talk. Meaning, (IMHO) The horse
>> ("Weird Al") also goes by another alias - James "Big Bucks" Burnett.
>
>Kids, turn your heads and plug your ears. This is grown-up talk.
>
>
>
> Stan, you are TOTALLY fucked in the head.
I agree. He completely missed the fact that Al and Mr. Ed are one
in the same. Mr. Ed was NOT played by Bamboo Harvester as was
reported!
Rick
David Tanny
>In article <19981001020308...@ngol04.aol.com>,
>whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
>
>> Mr. Ed was a TV show about a horse that could talk. Meaning, (IMHO) The horse
>> ("Weird Al") also goes by another alias - James "Big Bucks" Burnett.
I see no correlation between the two different facts.
>
>Kids, turn your heads and plug your ears. This is grown-up talk.
Let's see, how about you and Stan get in a horse costume. You (Mike) will
be the front end, and Stan will just be himself. (RIMSHOT)
> Stan, you are TOTALLY fucked in the head.
Let Stan make an ass out of himself here. :-)
C M Barnes
>vid...@tezcat.com (Mike Hoffman) wrote:
>>In article <19981001020308...@ngol04.aol.com>,
>>whtsa...@aol.com (Whtsametau) wrote:
>>> Mr. Ed was a TV show about a horse that could talk. Meaning, (IMHO) The
horse
>>> ("Weird Al") also goes by another alias - James "Big Bucks" Burnett.
>
> I see no correlation between the two different facts.
I can hear it now -- "Correlation? We don't need no steenking correlation!"
Mike, LOL about your warning -- if you offended the tender ears of anyone on
this newsgroup with what you said, it was still worth it.
CB