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Mark

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Apr 28, 2002, 4:25:57 PM4/28/02
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Hi. i was wondering that almost 90% of the Goodson/Toddman shows seemed to
be taped at CBS TV City, and only the scattered ones taped at other places
like Family Feud and password. I was wondering did Goodson/Todman have a
contract with CBS to make shows for the network, or is just a coinsidence
that most of their shows were taped for CBS, or did CBS just purchase a lot
of his shows ever since TPIR.

thanks


Curt Alliaume

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Apr 28, 2002, 5:00:22 PM4/28/02
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In article <aahls9$pj1$1...@horsefly.nf.net>, "Mark" <m.c...@roadrunner.nf.net>
writes:

G-T generally taped at the facilities of whatever network programmed the show,
if it was a network run. Thus, The Price Is Right, Match Game '7X,
Tattletales, and Family Feud (Combs version) taped at CBS Television City;
Password Plus, Card Sharks, MG/HS Hour, and Classic Concentration taped at
NBC's studios in beautiful downtown Burbank, and Family Feud (Dawson version),
Password/Password All-Stars, Showoffs, and The Better Sex taped at ABC's
studios.

For shows that began their runs in syndication, G-T would go where they could
get the best deal, and has switched studios if necessary. Examples: Family
Feud (Anderson version) started taping at Television City but now tapes at
NBC's studios; the syndicated What's My Line and To Tell the Truth originally
taped at The Ed Sullivan Theater (CBS's property), but switched over to NBC's
Studio 6A in NYC.

-- Curt Alliaume
http://www.curtalliaume.com/gameshow.html

CBSTVCity

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Apr 28, 2002, 5:06:35 PM4/28/02
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While at times it may seem as though "90%" of Goodson-Todman's programs were
produced at CBS Television City, a thorough review would reveal that there were
many other settings, including New York studios.

I don't think there was any official arrangement between CBS and G-T that
forced their use of Television City. As pointed out in the special, TVC has
been a desirable place for numerous non-CBS programs, mainly on the basis of
the facility's high production standards and capabilities.

chris319

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Apr 28, 2002, 9:59:24 PM4/28/02
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>G-T generally taped at the facilities of whatever network programmed the show,
>if it was a network run.

The license fee paid by the networks to a production company included a budget
for production facilities. If a producer taped his show at the networks' own
facility as was the custom, that money was paid right back to the network at
"retail" rates, not at "cost" -- IOW the network made money on the markup.

At one time there was a nascent plan to move P+ off the NBC lot but it never got
off the ground.

GAYLECCARR

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Apr 28, 2002, 10:55:52 PM4/28/02
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Where were they going to move Password Plus to?

chris319

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Apr 29, 2002, 2:08:31 AM4/29/02
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>Where were they going to move Password Plus to?

CBS and Metromedia were mentioned.

Mark Jeffries

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Apr 29, 2002, 1:02:09 PM4/29/02
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call...@aol.comeondown (Curt Alliaume) wrote in message news:<20020428170022...@mb-df.aol.com>...

And to complete the list, in LA 70s "Concentration" and "IGAS'72" were
shot at Metromedia. In New York, the "Beat the Clock" revival was
first shot at Teletape Second Stage for its first 13 weeks. When some
show called "Sesame Street" took over that studio, it moved to
Teletape's Little Theatre next to Sardi's, where David Frost taped his
Westinghouse show. After the first year, they moved to CFCF in
Montreal, making "BTC" the only U.S. G-T show to tape outside of the
U.S. (and the only G-T/MGP show that regularly taped outside of New
York or LA, not counting the lottery shows of the 90s).

In case anyone's interested, Teletape's long been out of business and
the Little Theatre was converted back to a legitimate theater house (I
don't recall its current name). "Sesame Street" now tapes at the
historic Kaufman Astoria lot in Queens. I don't know if Teletape
Second Stage is currently used as a studio (or if the building is
still in existence).

Dave Mackey

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Apr 29, 2002, 1:27:10 PM4/29/02
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"Mark Jeffries" <mjef...@krw.com> wrote in message
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> And to complete the list, in LA 70s "Concentration" and "IGAS'72" were
> shot at Metromedia.

"Concentration" eventually moved across the street to the KTLA lot.

> In New York, the "Beat the Clock" revival was
> first shot at Teletape Second Stage for its first 13 weeks. When some
> show called "Sesame Street" took over that studio, it moved to
> Teletape's Little Theatre next to Sardi's, where David Frost taped his
> Westinghouse show. After the first year, they moved to CFCF in
> Montreal, making "BTC" the only U.S. G-T show to tape outside of the
> U.S. (and the only G-T/MGP show that regularly taped outside of New
> York or LA, not counting the lottery shows of the 90s).
>
> In case anyone's interested, Teletape's long been out of business and
> the Little Theatre was converted back to a legitimate theater house (I
> don't recall its current name). "Sesame Street" now tapes at the
> historic Kaufman Astoria lot in Queens. I don't know if Teletape
> Second Stage is currently used as a studio (or if the building is
> still in existence).

Kaufman Astoria was also the home of Bill Cosby's 80's tv show, Lifetime
Television Studios and radio station WFAN. It is also not far from The
Museum Of The Moving Image.

Dave

chris319

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May 1, 2002, 2:56:21 AM5/1/02
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>"Concentration" eventually moved across the street to the KTLA lot.

Are you sure? (Concentration was before my time.)

Not many people know that G-T's offices were in Metromedia Square when they
first moved to California. Then they moved to the building that now houses the
CNN Los Angeles bureau, next to the newly-refurbished Cinerama Dome.

chris319

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May 1, 2002, 2:59:33 AM5/1/02
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>the Little Theatre was converted back to a legitimate theater house (I
>don't recall its current name).

The Helen Hayes Theater, also home to Who Do You Trust? and The Merv Griffin
Show.

Question: did it house any incarnation of The Steve Allen Show?

At one time Reeves Teletape occupied The Ed Sullivan Theater.

Dave Mackey

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May 1, 2002, 6:08:33 AM5/1/02
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"chris319" <c319...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >"Concentration" eventually moved across the street to the KTLA lot.
>
> Are you sure? (Concentration was before my time.)

I read an interview in a sci-fi magazine in which the author was attempting
to track down Jack Narz, who in his previous life had been the announcer on
the 50's TV series "Space Patrol" - and tells of finding him hosting
"Concentration" at KTLA.

Dave


Mark Jeffries

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May 1, 2002, 1:48:21 PM5/1/02
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chris319 <c319...@aol.com> wrote in message news:<7d4vcus5frj3plfp7...@4ax.com>...

> >the Little Theatre was converted back to a legitimate theater house (I
> >don't recall its current name).
>
> The Helen Hayes Theater, also home to Who Do You Trust? and The Merv Griffin
> Show.

And "The Dick Clark Saturday Night Show."

> Question: did it house any incarnation of The Steve Allen Show?

I believe both the "Tonight" show and the Sunday night show were done
at the Hudson Theatre, which I believe is still up.

> At one time Reeves Teletape occupied The Ed Sullivan Theater.

When "Kate and Allie" taped there. Elayne Boosler also taped a
Showtime special at the Ed (when Unitel ran the place) which opened
with her standing outside the Ed and walking into what was the
theater. All of the theater trappings except for the lobby had been
gutted, including *all* audience seating sections, and as I recall
from "Kate and Allie," the famous "natural" reverb was gone. They did
shows with audiences there (including "Kate and Allie" and several
"MTV Unplugged" shows), but they must've brought in stacking or
folding chairs.

Everything you see on Letterman--including the balcony--was put back
in by CBS when they regained control of the property.

chris319

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May 2, 2002, 3:30:54 AM5/2/02
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A tribute to Phil Donahue was done from the Sullivan circa 1992.

>Everything you see on Letterman--including the balcony--was put back
>in by CBS when they regained control of the property.

I have an article from an architectural magazine describing in some detail the
remodelling done for Letterman. The balcony was there but was in serious need of
repair. It is now a landmark of some sort so there are limitations on the
modifications that can be made. It was Hal Gurnee's idea to extend the stage
forward over the orchestra pit. A few years back I suggested to someone on
Letterman's staff that they put up acoustically-absorptive fabric panels on the
walls around the ground-floor audience area, and they did!

I've also heard that when looking at studios in California Letterman liked 33
where he did Mary in 1978, but wound up in 36.

Curt Alliaume

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May 2, 2002, 10:55:57 PM5/2/02
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In article <08q1du0b2cllr69og...@4ax.com>, chris319
<c319...@aol.com> writes:

>I've also heard that when looking at studios in California Letterman liked 33
>where he did Mary in 1978, but wound up in 36.

Some people must have read that sentence and thought, "Geez, Grant Tinker must
have been pissed!"

Only three episodes of Mary (Mary Tyler Moore's first failed attempt at a
variety show), but I'm sure they must have shot more. Strange that none have
seen the light of day since -- I don't remember the show that well, but I do
remember thinking it wasn't *that* bad.

chris319

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May 3, 2002, 3:37:51 AM5/3/02
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>Some people must have read that sentence and thought, "Geez, Grant Tinker must
>have been pissed!"

33K must have a mighty comfy couch, and well worn by now ;-)

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