the people in your dreams
Seung-Won Yoon
hey there,
i just wanted to share some details about a lucid dream which i had last
night. i had become lucid.. partly because i was flying for a bit. when
i came lucid, the dreamjust sort of went on with myself just standing
there, thinking up something i could try.. some experiment of sorts..
i was in a street like setting with a park one side and some storefronts
on the other. many people were mingling about, and i was there by myself,
so i knew none of the people in the dream.
i decided on asking people these three questions:
do you realize that you are a product of my mind?
how does it feel to be a character in a dream?
aren't dreams neat.. do you come here often?
i wanted to have fun with this one.. so i asked some silly questions
i went up to a few people and they just seemed to ignore me, though i
could tell that they knew i was there... as if they were afraid to admit
something. (but you'd probably get the same reaction if you really did
ask those questions on a street in real lifew too!) :)
however... one person did respond...
he said... "haven't you learned anything yet?
not all of us are of the same"
so thast was that..
bill.
--
Gail
Great dream, filled with meaning. Maybe our dreams do take us to
another place and we just think we're in our minds asleep. If OBE takes
us to another vibrational level, maybe dreaming and lucid dreaming takes
us to another vibrational reality, too.
Gail
Wintermute
Gail wrote:
> Great dream, filled with meaning. Maybe our dreams do take us to
> another place and we just think we're in our minds asleep. If OBE takes
> us to another vibrational level, maybe dreaming and lucid dreaming takes
> us to another vibrational reality, too.
>
> Gail
Uh-oh... I hope they don't have an inter-world justice system. I'd be in real
trouble. Maybe I should return that space ship with the big screen TV.
Donald Heller
Gail wrote:
>
> Seung-Won Yoon wrote:
> >
> > hey there,
> > do you realize that you are a product of my mind?
> > how does it feel to be a character in a dream?
> > he said... "haven't you learned anything yet?
> > not all of us are of the same"
> > bill.
> >
> Great dream, filled with meaning. Maybe our dreams do take us to
> another place and we just think we're in our minds asleep. If OBE takes
> us to another vibrational level, maybe dreaming and lucid dreaming takes
> us to another vibrational reality, too.
>
> Gail
I like the description-model that Don Juan used, and I paraphrase from
memory: Each person is surrounded by a perfectly reflective bubble,
called
the Bubble of Perception. All thoughts are projected on the inner
reflective surface, and that is what we perceive. Everything we
perceive
on this surface is a reflection of ourselves.
You may not believe, or relate to, this model of reality, but it
probably
applies quite directly to the dream state. The "characters" in your
dream
are you. The "character" grilling the dream-characters is also you, but
only a character in your dream. None of these characters have an
independent
being, nor do any of them ever wake up. It is the dreamer who wakes up.
I think this is a great dream, too, and shows how you are being a true
explorer or researcher in your dream, not just a hedonist (although
there
is plenty of room for dream-hedonism, too!).
Don
Gail
A Poem for Don and Seung-Won Yoon/Bill: (Written by them)
Donald Heller wrote:
> > Seung-Won Yoon wrote:
>
> > > hey there,
>
> > > >do you realize that you are a product of my mind?
> > > >how does it feel to be a character in a dream?
>
> > > he said... "haven't you learned anything yet?
> not all of us are of the same"
>
> >Maybe our dreams do take us to
> >another place and we just think we're in our minds asleep.
>
The above, is so beautiful. Like poetry. I changed the left indentation
a bit and I hope it survived computerland transportation. Another page
for my collection. Thank you.
Gail
Gail
Wintermute wrote:
>
> Gail wrote:
>
> > Great dream, filled with meaning. Maybe our dreams do take us to
> > another place and we just think we're in our minds asleep. If OBE takes
> > us to another vibrational level, maybe dreaming and lucid dreaming takes
> > us to another vibrational reality, too.
> >
> > Gail
>
> trouble. Maybe I should return that space ship with the big screen TV.
Nah, you know. The laws are different there. :-}
Gail
Alexa James
>> Gail
>
>I like the description-model that Don Juan used, and I paraphrase from
>memory: Each person is surrounded by a perfectly reflective bubble,
>called
>the Bubble of Perception. All thoughts are projected on the inner
>reflective surface, and that is what we perceive. Everything we
>perceive
>on this surface is a reflection of ourselves.
>
>You may not believe, or relate to, this model of reality, but it
>probably
>applies quite directly to the dream state. The "characters" in your
>dream
>are you. The "character" grilling the dream-characters is also you, but
>only a character in your dream. None of these characters have an
>independent
>being, nor do any of them ever wake up. It is the dreamer who wakes up.
>I think this is a great dream, too, and shows how you are being a true
>explorer or researcher in your dream, not just a hedonist (although
>there
>is plenty of room for dream-hedonism, too!).
>
>Don
This might be a good place to bring up Richard Bach, who also believes
that we each create our own universe and people it with characters
created by our needs and desires.
See Illusions for a beautiful telling of this story.
ALexa
Alexa James
>> Gail
>
>Uh-oh... I hope they don't have an inter-world justice system. I'd be in real
>trouble. Maybe I should return that space ship with the big screen TV.
>
So THAT'S where it is. Bring it back. I want my MTV......
alexa
Nandy
Seung-Won Yoon <av...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in article
<6f3l3s$n6s$1...@News.Dal.Ca>...
> however... one person did respond...
> he said... "haven't you learned anything yet?
> not all of us are of the same"
Wow! I wonder what would happen if you tried to make him dissapear! Was he
your creation or someone else who found your dream interesting and dropped
by?
--
Nandy
na...@eunet.yu
Nandy
Alexa James <alexa...@nashville.com> wrote in article
<3516a48c...@news.nashville.com>...
> This might be a good place to bring up Richard Bach, who also believes
> that we each create our own universe and people it with characters
> created by our needs and desires.
> See Illusions for a beautiful telling of this story.
Richard Bach, yesss! I read One, I think it`s great!! It can be compared
with The Celestine Prophecy from James Redfield and the articles of Bob
Peterson (I like them very much!)!!!
Love,
--
Nandy
na...@eunet.yu
Rainbowbird
Seung-Won Yoon wrote:
about people in his dream.
Greetings to everybody,I am dropping in for the second time.
Learned already a lot:)
People in dreams have been a subject for me for quiet a while.
Some are just me in characters, but others have been real people
that showed themselves in forms that are not visible in real 3D.
Like somebody behaving as a 3 year old snuggeling up to me.
In the dream I recognize such a person always as not me but as the
person he/she actually is. In this case the inner child of that person
presented itself to me.
So the other day I was preparing for a reading, and during preparation
I fell asleep.
I was in a nospace and a person unknown to me had a green cord
around her neck she was suffering from. I removed that cord and
straitend it out.Her neck was tensed and I exerciced with her to release
that tension by working on her body.when the work was done.
Since I was stiff and in the same position as I had fallen asleep 45 min
ago I realized that it was no ordinary dream.
The client came, and she was the women out of my dream.
I asked her if she had physical neckproblems, she had not now but had
problems a time ago and said that even after the bones got corrected
she still had tension.
During the reading that I did afterwards we found out, that the cord was
around her neck during birth.
She had had a terrible birth nearly died, and had as a result from that
nightmares,and psychic problems.
Other incidents like that happend.
like a unknown girlfriend of a friend told me about her pregnacy
and the day after I got a letter in which that information was.
Or like someone who doubted about abortion called in the morning after a
dream that I had with her and the unborn baby that showed how beautiful
it would be.In the dream she wanted the baby very much, but couldn't
cope with all people that told her, that she shouldn't have it.
I didn't know that she was pregnant.
I didn't tell her but could help her with questions that brought her to
what she really wanted and she diceided after a week to keep the baby.
Another is a very vivid dream with an alien being (no not a grey:)that
told me to look in my hands and find a star that is formed by the
handlines in the left hand.
In the morning I found it was there.
The being said it is a sign that extraterestial genes from long ago are
present and that many people have it.
The next day I spoke to a women on the net who had it too.
She told me that her husband got after his father died, who had it in
the first place.
She was told by a medicijnwomen that it was a an important sign, but
that women did not want to speak further.
Since you all are dreaming so clear like I can read in the post.
I would like to know if any of you had similar experiences in the astral
with real others or alien beings.
I the way I know that people are me or others is still not clear to me.
I feel it, but I have the idea that the speaking interactions are more
like hearing a sound of voice like a voice through a scrambled phone.
And with poeple that are me more like an internal dialoog.
Another is that the dreams are very vivid and clear in all details after
coming back.
My body takes mostly 1 hour to be normal after those dreams.
My muscles have been painful at first, with a feeling that my body has
changed into a fiberbody but I managed to reduce that to only
uncomfortable stiffness.
Excuses for the long post, but I tried to be clear as possible.
I am very interested in all your comments and ideas.
Rainbowbird
HeWhoGetsSlapped
Rainbowbird wrote:
> Another is a very vivid dream with an alien being (no not a grey:)that
> told me to look in my hands and find a star that is formed by the
> handlines in the left hand.
> In the morning I found it was there.
> The being said it is a sign that extraterestial genes from long ago are
> present and that many people have it.
Would you mind explaining what exact lines make up the star, what
portion of the hand is it located on, its physical appearence, size,
etc?
bunbury
HeWhoGetsSlapped
Rainbowbird wrote:
> But I only can tell about mine and that of my son.
> Mine is between head and heart line,a little above the center to the
> right of the hand.About 2 cm when you would put a cicle around.
> It is formed by thin lines not equally strong and deep , two tiangles
> overlapping forming a sixpointstar.The sides of the triangle are formed
> by two or tree little lines, so you have small brakes.I only have it in
> the left hand.
Ah well, on a basic look..I don't have it! =(
But I do have lots of that runic symbol which I can't remember it's name
of...You know the one that is the inside of the hippie peace symbol? And
it's the symbol of war...and for the life of me I can't remember what
it's called....all of the signs are reversed though
oh wait..I do have a very strange star like design on my right hand in
the same vicinity! It's hard to explain but it has four points and is
just a strange geometric shape...gnarly mahn
bunbury
Rainbowbird
Of course not,
But I only can tell about mine and that of my son.
Mine is between head and heart line,a little above the center to the
right of the hand.About 2 cm when you would put a cicle around.
It is formed by thin lines not equally strong and deep , two tiangles
overlapping forming a sixpointstar.The sides of the triangle are formed
by two or tree little lines, so you have small brakes.I only have it in
the left hand.It is pretty regular exept for one point.
I showed it to others and they can see it too.
My son has a little pentacle in the left, at the place where head and
lifeline start,and little lines are there to form the pentacle.
Not so regular, one point larger then the others.
The being showed me two kind of stars
that one and a pentacle in several area in the hand.
This was as clear as I can make it.:)
Rainbowbird
Keith Alderslade
Rainbowbird wrote:
> Another is a very vivid dream with an alien being (no not a grey:)that
> told me to look in my hands and find a star that is formed by the
> handlines in the left hand.
> In the morning I found it was there.
> The being said it is a sign that extraterestial genes from long ago are
> present and that many people have it.
I've got some lines like a star but they seem to go in & out of focus or
disappear like a cloaking device was being u...!!
My God, I'm a Romulan !!
Keith
Nandy
Rainbowbird <the...@xs4all.nl> wrote in article
<351790...@xs4all.nl>...
> I was in a nospace
The void?
> My body takes mostly 1 hour to be normal after those dreams.
OBE?
Sounds interesting, let us know if you have other dreams like that!
--
Nandy
na...@eunet.yu
Kenz
Rainbowbird,
> >Another is a very vivid dream with an alien being (no not a grey:)that
> >told me to look in my hands and find a star that is formed by the
> >handlines in the left hand.
I think everyone has so many lines criss-crossing to form stars,I find
it hard to tell, but if you mean that the vertex or center has
a different color of skin, then I have to say I have it.
It came suddenly a few years back, I dunno why.
Hmmm, I wonder if it had anything to do with my Grandma's death.
It came right about that time suddenly, and kinda dark.
Maybe that has something to do with why I find absolutely no reason
not to believe in Alien Beings (to the point that I was really spooked
by the thought at one time and couldn't finish some of those UFO & Alien
books I was browsing.)
> The being said it is a sign that extraterestial genes from long ago are
> present and that many people have it.
I am a supporter of that theory. As a matter of fact, I believethat we could
very well be a cross-breed with another species
(outta this planet? I don't know.)
The main reason I think that is because anthropologists & Archeologists
STILL have no reason as to why we suddenly jumped from being apes
to being intelligent. I read somewhere that the human species has been
modified 75 times. Hmmmm, that's a lotta modifications! But not much
considering we've been around for a coupla million years!
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na...@eunet.yu wrote:
>> This might be a good place to bring up Richard Bach, who also believes
>> that we each create our own universe and people it with characters
>> created by our needs and desires.
>> See Illusions for a beautiful telling of this story.
>
> Richard Bach, yesss! I read One, I think it`s great!! It can be
> compared with The Celestine Prophecy from James Redfield
Hmm, I created the parody "The Listerine Prophecy," and I hate to think what
needs and desires made me do it. :-)
The Listerine Prophecy is at http://www.casafuturatech.com/RF/lp7.html
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HeWhoGetsSlapped
Kenz wrote:
> I am a supporter of that theory. As a matter of fact, I believethat we could
> very well be a cross-breed with another species
> (outta this planet? I don't know.)
> The main reason I think that is because anthropologists & Archeologists
> STILL have no reason as to why we suddenly jumped from being apes
> to being intelligent.
Looking at our evolution we should at least be at the same stage as the
tribabl peoples. There is no logical explanation for civilization. We
shouldn't be at this stage for many more millions of years.
You should definitely read Zecharia Sitchen's books. He makes an
excellent case for the fact that we are in fact hybrids of apes and an
alien race from the 'planet x' of our solar system. Sounds kooky in this
post, but once you really read his books you'll be really amazed.
bunbury
HeWhoGetsSlapped
Rainbowbird wrote:
> You people are helpful:)
> I would consider your star as one.Since it is somehow obvious.
> I don't know about crossbreeding either.
> I had many UFO dreams, and they come in cycles, with usually years (up
> to ten) in between.Extremly clear and hard to forget ever.
> I even saw a UFO once and I still have no reason to believe in
> extraterrestiels as we are supposed to believe.
Would you mind explaining your take on it?
I've had several ufo dreams, one of the more interesting ones was where
I was driving on the same freeway where I had my infamous 'radish'
dream, though going west this time and there was an alien driving the
car I was in, similar to the grey type, but with a much more massive
head and eyes that were humanish, though large. Friendly too, unlike the
normal variety. It pointed up to the daytime sky and there was a glowing
yellow ufo to the left over what I would assume is the Ventura Blvd area
in Woodland Hills or the edge of Tarzana (la burbs). I can't remember
exactly what it said, but it was something to the degree of 'Look,
see..that's a ufo'. Next day a meteorite flew over the west san fernando
valley and people made phone calls saying they saw a greenish looking
ufo. It was a major story on the news as well.
I've had many a ufo abduction dream, and even once awoke in the middle
of the night a few hours before the large Northridge earthquake in '94
to see a typical alien grey head staring at me through the window...long
story!
I swear, I am a complete skeptic. I keep an open mind, but it takes a
lot to convince me of something. I have no respect for NewAge(tm)
individuals who just except it at face value and never question, same
goes for the cynics on the opposite side of the coin!
> What I do know that after that fenomena, my life took a complety
> different way.
>
> With the star I looked in many peoples hands. Could not find another
> one.
> But I have an idea that people with more extrasensorial talents will
> have it more or less pronounced.:)
Found it! Listened to my head this time and I found it pronto. At first
I thought it was the rune sign I was talking about combined but upon a
closer look I realized it was a definite star. It is right between the
lower mounts of my ring and pinkie finger, right above what I believe is
my head line, though I get head and heart lines confused. On the left
hand as well. I also found the rune that represents home (forgotten the
name for this as well) very clearly between my head and heart line,
connected to both of them, on my right hand. Never noticed it before!
bunbury
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Rainbowbird
With no space I mean, I am there with that person and absolutly nothing
else is there as floor, no sky, nothing you can orientate on.
But there is a feeling of gravity. It's not void, because there is
no melting and loss of ego.No there I am thinking, feeling, acting.
When I think of it: It's more like an energy space.
OBE? I wish I knew.
:) Rainbowbird
Rainbowbird
Kenz wrote:
>
> Rainbowbird,
>
> > >Another is a very vivid dream with an alien being (no not a grey:)that
> > >told me to look in my hands and find a star that is formed by the
> > >handlines in the left hand.
>
> I think everyone has so many lines criss-crossing to form stars,I find
> it hard to tell, but if you mean that the vertex or center has
> a different color of skin, then I have to say I have it.
> It came suddenly a few years back, I dunno why.
> Hmmm, I wonder if it had anything to do with my Grandma's death.
> It came right about that time suddenly, and kinda dark.
> Maybe that has something to do with why I find absolutely no reason
> not to believe in Alien Beings (to the point that I was really spooked
> by the thought at one time and couldn't finish some of those UFO & Alien
> books I was browsing.)
>
> > The being said it is a sign that extraterestial genes from long ago are
> > present and that many people have it.
>
> very well be a cross-breed with another species
> (outta this planet? I don't know.)
> The main reason I think that is because anthropologists & Archeologists
> STILL have no reason as to why we suddenly jumped from being apes
> modified 75 times. Hmmmm, that's a lotta modifications! But not much
> considering we've been around for a coupla million years!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please use the address: kenz....@funb.com if you wish to reply to me.
>
> This measure is taken to avoid
> the huge amount of junk email I recieve. Thanks.
You people are helpful:)
I would consider your star as one.Since it is somehow obvious.
I don't know about crossbreeding either.
I had many UFO dreams, and they come in cycles, with usually years (up
to ten) in between.Extremly clear and hard to forget ever.
I even saw a UFO once and I still have no reason to believe in
extraterrestiels as we are supposed to believe.
What I do know that after that fenomena, my life took a complety
different way.
With the star I looked in many peoples hands. Could not find another
one.
But I have an idea that people with more extrasensorial talents will
have it more or less pronounced.:)
Rainbowbird
Nandy
Thomas David Kehoe <ke...@netcom.com> wrote in article
<kehoeEq...@netcom.com>...
> Hmm, I created the parody "The Listerine Prophecy," and I hate to think
what
> needs and desires made me do it. :-)
You made me curious...
--
Nandy
na...@eunet.yu
Nandy
> > > I was in a nospace
> > The void?
> With no space I mean, I am there with that person and absolutly nothing
> else is there as floor, no sky, nothing you can orientate on.
> But there is a feeling of gravity. It's not void, because there is
> no melting and loss of ego.No there I am thinking, feeling, acting.
> When I think of it: It's more like an energy space.
In one OBE book I found the term "the Void" and it was described as a great
nothingness in which it was pleasant to be (no loss of ego). It seems that
"energy space" describes it well.
--
Nandy
na...@eunet.yu
Rainbowbird
HeWhoGetsSlapped wrote:
Lets see: The first where just beings coming to earth in big ships.
Getting in poeple homes and take them with them.They didn't take me.
Beings have been dark and a little smaller then most humans.
I just looked.18 years ago. Kept comming.
After that dreams being on ships and seeing all kind of things happening
to earth on a screen.10 years ago.
The last time grey took me to bring me in a ship.Somehow they did
paralize me. I turned and said leave that I know where we are going.
I went voluntarily. I came into the ship and had some encounter with a
human like very beautiful one. But I could not stand his eyes - like to
much conciousness so they closed the door between him and me.
Boy was I sorry for being so unevolved.*GRIN
Was 5 years ago.
The last dream I had was with the Being that told about the star.
It was really alien.More like a reptile but very beautiful.
Dreams started after I had seen the UFO of fenomena or whatever.SMILE
Before I saw the UFO I had timeloss over half a night.
I was standing in front of my house,in my undies *grin all doors
open,and didn't know how i got there.No key in my hands.
And we are talking two doors and one big iron gate in walls.
When I got in my roommate where asking where I went all night.
It was 6.30 in the morning.
Do you have also those strange things?
There are explonations that alien beings represent our spiritual nature.
how do you feel about that?
I have had no problems because of the dreaming and otherwise.
The time all of that began I didn't know of abductions or stuff like
that and I have seen no alien yet in real life. But it seems you have?
Rainbowbird
DK
If it's any help, there are newsgroups specifically devoted to
this sort of question/experience. I have no idea which ones are
good, etc., as I don't have time to explore as many groups as I
might like, but I think they run the "science-to-kooks" gamut
fairly well, meaning there must be something helpful in there
somewhere.
--Katrina
Rainbowbird wrote in message <351B12...@xs4all.nl>...
>HeWhoGetsSlapped wrote:
>Do you have also those strange things?
>The time all of that began I didn't know of abductions or stuff
like
>that and I have seen no alien yet in real life. >Rainbowbird