Hope for Unix Mosaic 2.7 or other Browser?
Curt Smith
Hi,
I've been using Mosaic 2.7b5 for Unix, that I compiled myself on Intel UnixWare SVR4.2
v1.1.4. FYI, netscape is only recently available for v2.x of Unixware and has many
install, license and timebomb issues.
I'm very greatfull to the NCSA team and their hard work! I'm hoping for a slightly
improved 2.7?
I've checked the NCSA ftp sight after a false announcement about 2 weeks ago it
seems and no 2.7 final...
My main issues are bugs in the areas of; focus gets hung during some link downloads,
pieces of "entry form" widgets hanging around long after I've left that URL. Tables
that aren't quite right...
Or, does anyone recomend another free, src form, Unix web browser that is at least
as functional as 2.7b5??
Thanks.
Curt Smith
cu...@compgen.com
root
Mosaic27b5, and there is even a very alpha, newer version of chimera that has
frame support. Those guys at University of Las Vegas really know how to
get results, elegantly and efficiently, as opposed to the heavy, overstuffed,
baroque code of UIUC.
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Michael Ritzert
>
>Or, does anyone recomend another free, src form, Unix web browser that is at least
>as functional as 2.7b5??
>
Surprisingly, the chimera browser (1.65) is about as functional as
Mosaic27b5, and there is even a very alpha, newer version of chimera that has
frame support. Those guys at University of Las Vegas really know how to
get results, elegantly and efficiently, as opposed to the heavy, overstuffed,
baroque code of UIUC.
:-)))) Chimera 1.65 is based on xmosaic 2.4. And has some problems
with ftp --- try to interrupt an ftp transfer: this will often cause
chimera to hang. Nevertheless, i like chimera, too. It is one of my
reference browsers in web development.
Michael
root
On 18 Dec 1996 14:09:47 +0100, Michael Ritzert <m...@pc29.dfg-bonn.de> wrote:
> >
> Surprisingly, the chimera browser (1.65) is about as functional as
> Mosaic27b5, and there is even a very alpha, newer version of chimera that has
> frame support. Those guys at University of Las Vegas really know how to
> get results, elegantly and efficiently, as opposed to the heavy, overstuffed,
> baroque code of UIUC.
>
>:-)))) Chimera 1.65 is based on xmosaic 2.4.
It borrows a fraction of the code.
> And has some problems
>with ftp --- try to interrupt an ftp transfer: this will often cause
>chimera to hang. Nevertheless, i like chimera, too. It is one of my
>reference browsers in web development.
There is a very recent patch to the chimera 1.65 code available at
ftp.cs.unlv.edu. According to the author, it is a collection of code
patches from users since chimera was first issued, and shows improved
table-handling. Now, if they would at least use the Lynx hack for
displaying frames.
Gilles Dauphin
In article <m24thkg...@pc29.dfg-bonn.de>, m...@pc29.dfg-bonn.de (Michael Ritzert) writes:
|> In article <slrn5ausn...@tailor.aleim.net> ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) writes:
|>
|> >
|> >Or, does anyone recomend another free, src form, Unix web browser that is at least
|> >as functional as 2.7b5??
|> >
|> Mosaic27b5, and there is even a very alpha, newer version of chimera that has
|> frame support. Those guys at University of Las Vegas really know how to
|> get results, elegantly and efficiently, as opposed to the heavy, overstuffed,
|> baroque code of UIUC.
|>
|> with ftp --- try to interrupt an ftp transfer: this will often cause
|> chimera to hang. Nevertheless, i like chimera, too. It is one of my
|> reference browsers in web development.
mMosaic is based on 2.7b4 and have <TABLE>. Please read:
http://sig.enst.fr/~dauphin/mMosaic/index.html
Gilles
Michael Ritzert
In article <m24thkg...@pc29.dfg-bonn.de>, m...@pc29.dfg-bonn.de (Michael Ritzert) writes:
|> In article <slrn5ausn...@tailor.aleim.net> ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) writes:
|>
|> >
|> >Or, does anyone recomend another free, src form, Unix web browser that is at least
|> >as functional as 2.7b5??
|> >
|> Surprisingly, the chimera browser (1.65) is about as functional as
|> Mosaic27b5, and there is even a very alpha, newer version of chimera that has
Are there meanwhile any improvements to chimera 2.08 (which is the latest
version i have)?
Would someone be so kind to send me a full application defaults file
for chimera 2.x --- i dont' have the time for an extended editres
session just to get a starting configuration. Apropos editres, a while
ago i did a lot of fine tuning of the coloring of chimera 1.65. Looks
really pretty with the default Athena widges and almost as pretty as
mosaic 2.7 when i use the libXaw3d95 (3d athena with "win95 look"
(actually just a pretty 3d AW replacement)).
|> frame support. Those guys at University of Las Vegas really know how to
|> get results, elegantly and efficiently, as opposed to the heavy, overstuffed,
|> baroque code of UIUC.
|>
But unfortunately over even larger timescales (almost geological ones) :-((
|> :-)))) Chimera 1.65 is based on xmosaic 2.4. And has some problems
|> with ftp --- try to interrupt an ftp transfer: this will often cause
|> chimera to hang. Nevertheless, i like chimera, too. It is one of my
|> reference browsers in web development.
mMosaic is based on 2.7b4 and have <TABLE>. Please read:
http://sig.enst.fr/~dauphin/mMosaic/index.html
Gilles,
Did You send Your table patches to scott powers? Maybe he'll be
interested in them (as far as i can judge from his comments on the net
he'll probably not very interested in the other enhancements).
Did You apply Your mods to mosaic 2.7b5? This release is MUCH more
stable than 2.7b4, so it'll probably be worth the effort.
Michael Ritzert
There is a very recent patch to the chimera 1.65 code available at
ftp.cs.unlv.edu. According to the author, it is a collection of code
patches from users since chimera was first issued, and shows improved
table-handling. Now, if they would at least use the Lynx hack for
displaying frames.
I applied this patch to my sources of chimera 1.65. The following
problems occured:
I needed to specify a large fuzz factor to patch everything
successfully (3 didn't work, so i used 20)
After recompilation, i didn't see any differences --- neither with
test-chimera nor without it. Which means that the table in the footing
of http://www.dfg-bonn.de/index.html will be displayed as on any
non-table aware browser like the original chimera 1.65, Mosaic 2.7b5
with table-"support" disabled, or lynx 2.6
:-(((((
Michael
root
On 30 Dec 1996 17:12:18 +0100, Michael Ritzert <m...@pc29.dfg-bonn.de> wrote:
>In article <slrn5bh1p...@tailor.aleim.net> ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) writes:
>
>
> There is a very recent patch to the chimera 1.65 code available at
> ftp.cs.unlv.edu. According to the author, it is a collection of code
> patches from users since chimera was first issued, and shows improved
> table-handling. Now, if they would at least use the Lynx hack for
> displaying frames.
>
>I applied this patch to my sources of chimera 1.65. The following
>problems occured:
>
>I needed to specify a large fuzz factor to patch everything
>successfully (3 didn't work, so i used 20)
Strange, that didn't happen in my case. But, I downloaded chimera1.65
along with the patches, so that may have been a different chimera1.65.
>After recompilation, i didn't see any differences --- neither with
>test-chimera nor without it. Which means that the table in the footing
>of http://www.dfg-bonn.de/index.html will be displayed as on any
>non-table aware browser like the original chimera 1.65, Mosaic 2.7b5
>with table-"support" disabled, or lynx 2.6
Yeah, that `table-support' button in 2.7b5 had better be left unchecked,
since it is a disaster when it is checked. I find it very hard to
understand how a whole crew of graduate students at UIUC would be able
to do such a tangled-up job of programming. I also find it very hard
to understand why they don't just put out an interim release of Mosaic
that hacks frames the way lynx does. See my other article for dealing
with frames on the present release of Mosaic.
Philip C Kizer
vta...@ibm.net (root) wrote:
>Yeah, that `table-support' button in 2.7b5 had better be left unchecked,
>an interim release of Mosaic that hacks frames the way lynx does. See my
>other article for dealing with frames on the present release of Mosaic.
Well, talking about 2.7b5, just set the resource:
Mosaic*FrameHack: True
-philip
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Texas A&M CIS Operating Systems Group, Unix fnord pck...@tamu.edu
root
On 31 Dec 1996 20:14:25 GMT, Philip C Kizer <pck...@gonzo.tamu.edu> wrote:
>vta...@ibm.net (root) wrote:
>>Yeah, that `table-support' button in 2.7b5 had better be left unchecked,
>>[ ... ] I also find it very hard to understand why they don't just put out
>>an interim release of Mosaic that hacks frames the way lynx does. See my
>>other article for dealing with frames on the present release of Mosaic.
>
>Well, talking about 2.7b5, just set the resource:
>
> Mosaic*FrameHack: True
>
you start it up, instead of when you click the menu. Any more useless
suggestions?
Ian Cooper
On 31 Dec 1996 19:53:04 GMT, ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) wrote:
>Yeah, that `table-support' button in 2.7b5 had better be left unchecked,
>since it is a disaster when it is checked.
It depends on the table. I've viewed plenty of tables that worked
perfectly in X/Mosaic. It really depends on what the <table> element
is being used for.
> I find it very hard to
>understand how a whole crew of graduate students at UIUC would be able
>to do such a tangled-up job of programming.
As I'm sure Scott is sick of saying on this group, at the time of
writing, the table support was *correct*. Tables weren't intended to
contain additional markup (remember that Mosaic had tables *long*
before Netscape [is my memory correct that Mosaic had tables before
Netscape *existed*?]). People just wanted to have text and numbers -
that's what they got.
> I also find it very hard
>to understand why they don't just put out an interim release of Mosaic
>that hacks frames the way lynx does.
Probably because (as Scott and co. have said) there aren't many of
them working on the project, and a lot of the time is being spent
totally re-writing the code. I don't have the time to go looking now,
but I think I remember someone mentioning that this *might* be added
to beta6.
Ian
root
On Wed, 01 Jan 1997 00:14:58 GMT, Ian Cooper <i...@alethea.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 31 Dec 1996 19:53:04 GMT, ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) wrote:
>
>>Yeah, that `table-support' button in 2.7b5 had better be left unchecked,
>>since it is a disaster when it is checked.
>
>It depends on the table. I've viewed plenty of tables that worked
>perfectly in X/Mosaic. It really depends on what the <table> element
>is being used for.
I haven't found one table that worked when the feature was checked. And,
starting Mosaic in table mode just doesn't work.
>
>> I find it very hard to
>>understand how a whole crew of graduate students at UIUC would be able
>>to do such a tangled-up job of programming.
>
>As I'm sure Scott is sick of saying on this group, at the time of
>writing, the table support was *correct*.
That's not the issue. What shows up Scott and his band of lazies at
UIUC is the work done on chimera, which, while obviously not perfect,
covers a lot more territory with a lot less code. To tell the truth,
chimera works better than the final release of Mosaic for Windows also.
>> I also find it very hard
>>to understand why they don't just put out an interim release of Mosaic
>>that hacks frames the way lynx does.
>
>Probably because (as Scott and co. have said) there aren't many of
>them working on the project, and a lot of the time is being spent
>totally re-writing the code. I don't have the time to go looking now,
>but I think I remember someone mentioning that this *might* be added
>to beta6.
When? And, for how long has such a promise been made? The whole Mosaic
project just begs to be opened up to a wider community of programmers.
The new version under design, if it is ever completed, is way, way away
from being a complete browser.
Ian Cooper
On 1 Jan 1997 14:14:14 GMT, ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Jan 1997 00:14:58 GMT, Ian Cooper <i...@alethea.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>On 31 Dec 1996 19:53:04 GMT, ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) wrote:
>>>Yeah, that `table-support' button in 2.7b5 had better be left unchecked,
>>>since it is a disaster when it is checked.
>>It depends on the table.
>I haven't found one table that worked when the feature was checked.
OK - that's your personal experience. As I said, *I* have seen plenty
of tables that rendered correctly. These are tables that are used to
present tabular information, not those being used in a vain attempt to
use some form of page layout language.
> And,
>starting Mosaic in table mode just doesn't work.
Huh? I *always* start Mosaic in "table mode", and never have any
problems.
I often have to turn table support off if I hit a site that insists on
using tables to format their pages, but that's not Mosaic's problem.
>>> I find it very hard to
>>>understand how a whole crew of graduate students at UIUC would be able
>>>to do such a tangled-up job of programming.
>>As I'm sure Scott is sick of saying on this group, at the time of
>>writing, the table support was *correct*.
>
>That's not the issue. What shows up Scott and his band of lazies at
>UIUC is the work done on chimera, which, while obviously not perfect,
>covers a lot more territory with a lot less code.
Scott "and his band" have had to work with code that was already in
place from previous programmers. They're re-writing the browser from
scratch *because* the code isn't maintainable and is bloated.
[Mosaic beta6]
>When? And, for how long has such a promise been made? The whole Mosaic
>project just begs to be opened up to a wider community of programmers.
OK - we agree here. Beta6 has seen a *lot* (and that's a word in
about 100ft high letters) of delays. I would like to have seen a
release by now too.
I do agree that it would be good for the 'net community to work on a
browser. Basing the code on Mosaic would probably be difficult
because of the licensing restrictions that are now in place.
Why doesn't the community develop it's own browser? The Apache
project has shown that you can have the most popular server created by
a disparate set of programmers - why can't we have a browser that's
the same? There was talk on the Apache mailing lists some time ago
about doing exactly this, but no-one seemed particularly interested.
Why don't you contact Scott and the others at UIUC and suggest this to
them?
>The new version under design, if it is ever completed, is way, way away
>from being a complete browser.
Yes, but even in it's *alpha* state, it shows some very powerful
features under the bonnet (or "hood" if you're American).
Ian
Andy Cowling
> Or, does anyone recomend another free, src form, Unix web browser
> that is at least as functional as 2.7b5??
I recently evaluated free, X based browsers that could run on
Sequent/ptx (SVR4 Unix). I looked at :
- chimera 1.65 + patches
- XMosaic 2.7b5
- arena
- grail (0.3b2)
My favourite by a long way was Grail. It uses tcl/tk and is written in
an OO language called Python. It doesn't support Java but the GUI,
speed and functionality is superb (for a Beta).
More info on Grail can be found at
Gilles Dauphin
In article <32cdaf12...@news.demon.co.uk>, i...@alethea.demon.co.uk (Ian Cooper) writes:
|> On 1 Jan 1997 14:14:14 GMT, ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) wrote:
|>
|> >On Wed, 01 Jan 1997 00:14:58 GMT, Ian Cooper <i...@alethea.demon.co.uk> wrote:
|> >>On 31 Dec 1996 19:53:04 GMT, ro...@tailor.aleim.net (root) wrote:
|> >>>Yeah, that `table-support' button in 2.7b5 had better be left unchecked,
|> >>>since it is a disaster when it is checked.
|> >>It depends on the table.
mMosaic-3.0 is a derivative work of NCSA Mosaic 2.7b4. The button
'table-support' is remove because mMosaic now support table.
(mMosaic table support is not bad).
|> > And,
|> >starting Mosaic in table mode just doesn't work.
Please , try mMosaic-3.0. Feedbacks are welcome.
|> >>> I find it very hard to
|> >>>understand how a whole crew of graduate students at UIUC would be able
|> >>>to do such a tangled-up job of programming.
|> >>As I'm sure Scott is sick of saying on this group, at the time of
|> >>writing, the table support was *correct*.
I think Scott is busy. He make free work. So it's a long way to release
Mosaic.
|> I do agree that it would be good for the 'net community to work on a
|> browser. Basing the code on Mosaic would probably be difficult
|> because of the licensing restrictions that are now in place.
But you are free to make a derivative work. If your work is not commercial
I think you will have no problem.
Check the url:
http://sig.enst.fr/~dauphin/mMosaic/
ftp://sig.enst.fr/pub/multicast/mMosaic/
Please let me know if i work on the right way.
Gilles
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On 02 Jan 1997 10:41:46 +0000, Andy Cowling <a...@sequent.com> wrote:
>
> > Or, does anyone recomend another free, src form, Unix web browser
> > that is at least as functional as 2.7b5??
>
>I recently evaluated free, X based browsers that could run on
>Sequent/ptx (SVR4 Unix). I looked at :
>
>an OO language called Python. It doesn't support Java but the GUI,
>speed and functionality is superb (for a Beta).
>
>More info on Grail can be found at
>
> http://monty.cnri.reston.va.us/grail-0.3/.
Grail is interesting. I just wish that, when I click on a URL in a
bookmark file, only that URL lights up in red. At present, two or
three other URLs light up, but the selected one is fetched.
Bernhard Reiter
In article <85zpys5...@lapwing.uk.sequent.com>,
Andy Cowling <a...@sequent.com> writes:
> > Or, does anyone recomend another free, src form, Unix web browser
> > that is at least as functional as 2.7b5??
Give MMM a try, it is quite usefull and i experienced less problems
as with grail 0.3b2 although Grail *is* interesting.
MMM has some problems due to diffculties with tcl tk (7.6/4.2)
and is written an in interesting language called Objective CAML.
Yes i tested the followings, too:
> - XMosaic 2.7b5
prints best :-)
i use that one most, (turned FrameHack on)
> - arena
good for PNG graphics
> - grail (0.3b2)
some good GUI ideas implemented, very complete
Look here for more infos about MMM:
<URL: http://pauillac.inria.fr:80/~rouaix/mmm/ >
Bernhard Reiter
Support for a big free browser project should should be organised!!
It could be as successfull as apache is for web servers.
Paul Bleisch
Ian Cooper (i...@alethea.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Why doesn't the community develop it's own browser? The Apache
: project has shown that you can have the most popular server created by
: a disparate set of programmers - why can't we have a browser that's
: the same? There was talk on the Apache mailing lists some time ago
: about doing exactly this, but no-one seemed particularly interested.
:
: Why don't you contact Scott and the others at UIUC and suggest this to
: them?
I also think it would be great if the 'net community developed a free browser.
Not sure about basing it on Mosaic either. Mail Scott and ask him about
using the alpha code. But if I were you, I would start fresh and use C++.
And just think, you could have quality control in the hands of ro...@tailor.org
(or whatever his address is now).
Paul
Scott Powers
Paul Bleisch (pble...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
:
: I also think it would be great if the 'net community developed a free browser.
: Not sure about basing it on Mosaic either. Mail Scott and ask him about
: using the alpha code. But if I were you, I would start fresh and use C++.
:
: And just think, you could have quality control in the hands of ro...@tailor.org
: (or whatever his address is now).
I would be happy to lead (at least in the begining) an effort to develop a net
community browser. It would definitely be new code and in C++.
I am sure there would be no problem with providing mail list support and space
for distribution at NCSA. If there is sufficient interest (so far no one has
contacted me) in doing this, I will start putting out feelers here.
Scott
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NCSA-SDD Vis Group Lead | me.' "That's a very Russian attitude. I
http://shire.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ | commend you." -- Ivanova and Garibaldi
Gilles Dauphin
In article <5artqv$l...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, pble...@uiuc.edu (Paul Bleisch) writes:
|> Ian Cooper (i...@alethea.demon.co.uk) wrote:
|> : Why doesn't the community develop it's own browser? The Apache
|> : project has shown that you can have the most popular server created by
|> : a disparate set of programmers - why can't we have a browser that's
|> : the same? There was talk on the Apache mailing lists some time ago
|> : about doing exactly this, but no-one seemed particularly interested.
|> :
|> : Why don't you contact Scott and the others at UIUC and suggest this to
|> : them?
|>
I think too. But how to do that?
If NCSA Mosaic is free, mMosaic is also free.
Maybe you can check http://sig.enst.fr/~dauphin/mMosaic/future-work.html.
|> Not sure about basing it on Mosaic either. Mail Scott and ask him about
|> using the alpha code. But if I were you, I would start fresh and use C++.
The 3.0.1 of mMosaic use C++ compiler.
mMosaic is a derivative work of NCSA Mosaic 2.7b4. It run the
minimum of <TABLE> (Caption, rowspan, colspan).
Maybe you wish to check : http://sig.enst.fr/~dauphin/mMosaic/index.html
Feedbacks , comments and suggestion are welcome.
3.0 is still available and work not bad.
3.0.1 is comming soon.
Gilles
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Kyler Laird
>|> I also think it would be great if the 'net community developed a free browser.
I was contacted awhile ago after I suggested that Lynx be
extended (or rewritten) to support inline graphics. I
thought that someone was organizing such a project.
Regardless, I'm still interested.
--kyler
root
On 7 Jan 1997 02:18:11 GMT, Scott Powers <spo...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Paul Bleisch (pble...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
>:
>: I also think it would be great if the 'net community developed a free browser.
>: Not sure about basing it on Mosaic either. Mail Scott and ask him about
By all means do use C++ and join the march into oblivion.
>: And just think, you could have quality control in the hands of ro...@tailor.org
>: (or whatever his address is now).
>:
I'm not even trying. What are the rest of the users, robots programmed to
do only the simplest tasks and go blank when there is even a blatant error?
>
>I would be happy to lead (at least in the begining) an effort to develop a net
>community browser. It would definitely be new code and in C++.
>
You might be pre-empted by the emerging new release of Chimera, which
somehow manages to squeeze its functionality into less than 200 KB of
executable, frames and all.
Joe Buck
la...@kybernetes.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:
>I was contacted awhile ago after I suggested that Lynx be
>extended (or rewritten) to support inline graphics. I
>thought that someone was organizing such a project.
Lynx has two main user communities at the moment: those with dumb-terminal
type access to shell accounts, and the blind (interfacing Lynx to a
speech synthesizer). A third use is a quick HTML to text conversion.
None of these uses benefit in any way from inline graphics.
I really don't see the point of adding inline graphics to Lynx. Why
not just do a proper browser?
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root
On 7 Jan 1997 17:50:58 GMT, Joe Buck <jb...@synopsys.com> wrote:
>la...@kybernetes.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:
>>I was contacted awhile ago after I suggested that Lynx be
>>extended (or rewritten) to support inline graphics. I
>>thought that someone was organizing such a project.
>
>not just do a proper browser?
>--
kinds of X-viewers under appropriate conditions. It also handles
frames and tables.
Kyler Laird
jb...@synopsys.com (Joe Buck) writes:
>Lynx has two main user communities at the moment: those with dumb-terminal
>type access to shell accounts, and the blind (interfacing Lynx to a
>speech synthesizer). A third use is a quick HTML to text conversion.
>None of these uses benefit in any way from inline graphics.
Duh...
>I really don't see the point of adding inline graphics to Lynx. Why
>not just do a proper browser?
If you don't like Lynx, then it's probably not something
you're going to be interested in doing. How 'bout leaving
it to those interested?
--kyler
John McNulty
root wrote:
>
> Oh, I dunno, under X-Windows, lynx runs fast as a bunny and loads all
> kinds of X-viewers under appropriate conditions. It also handles
> frames and tables.
I just installed v2.6 (latest). Frames is handles, tables it doesn't.
John
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Scott Powers
John McNulty (jo...@vogue.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: root wrote:
: >
: > Oh, I dunno, under X-Windows, lynx runs fast as a bunny and loads all
: > kinds of X-viewers under appropriate conditions. It also handles
: > frames and tables.
:
: I just installed v2.6 (latest). Frames is handles, tables it doesn't.
Uhmm...are you sure you aren't talking about 2.7b5?
2.6 doesn't have frame support and with 2.7b5 you have to turn on
Mosaic*frameHack to get an index of the pages you can go to.
Scott
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Michael Ritzert
John McNulty (jo...@vogue.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: root wrote:
: >
: > Oh, I dunno, under X-Windows, lynx runs fast as a bunny and loads all
: > kinds of X-viewers under appropriate conditions. It also handles
: > frames and tables.
:
: I just installed v2.6 (latest). Frames is handles, tables it doesn't.
:
Uhmm...are you sure you aren't talking about 2.7b5?
2.6 doesn't have frame support and with 2.7b5 you have to turn on
Mosaic*frameHack to get an index of the pages you can go to.
Scott, this discussion jumps wildly between chimera, mosaic, and
lynx. At present, we're talking about lynx, while You seem to mean
mosaic.
Back to Your first posting in this thread: Your idea of maintaining
the development of a free browser for the web community (other than
mosaic 2.8 which i doubt You'll get funds to finish in the future).
But why don't You arrange with john kilburg to use chimera as the
basis?
If the code of chimera was donated to the net under appropriate
copyright conditions (say, GPL or ssomething similar) and John and You
maintained the development, the communitiy would have a free and
capable graphical web browser very soon.
BTW: mosaic 2.7b5, chimera and lynx 2.6 are my favorite browsers which
i use as main references in web development.
Michael
Michael Ritzert
In article <5beu1o$3...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> spo...@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Scott Powers) writes:
Michael Ritzert (m...@pc29.dfg-bonn.de) wrote:
:
: Scott, this discussion jumps wildly between chimera, mosaic, and
: lynx. At present, we're talking about lynx, while You seem to mean
: mosaic.
:
My bad. Didn't see the reference to lynx...I had been following the thread,
just didn't see it. Thanks for clearing that up. :)
: But why don't You arrange with john kilburg to use chimera as the
: basis?
:
No offense to JK is intended and I have not looked at the Chimera source code
at all...I was really hoping this could be a ground up implementation written
in C++ and hopefully (I am still working on this at my end) using a
cross-platform framework we are developing here at NCSA. Not only would this
knock the development time way down, but it also makes the "net browser"
available on U*ix, NT, 95, Mac, and in the future VMS and BeOS...and wherever
else we port "Hyperion" (the framework). The licensing is what I am
currently
This would be nice. But to be more pragmatic and don't demand too
much: there exists a free browser for X11/athena, which, btw., in its
1.x releases has originated from xmosaic. The present 2.0 alpha release is more
capabable than the present 2.8 alpha of xmosaic, but quite buggy. The biggest
problem with chimera alpha is that it is not available on large
"standard" ftp servers and thus it is really cumbersome to donwnload
here from germany.
working on at this end. Development on Hyperion is in progress and is headed
toward a 1.0 release in April. I will post more about this once the details
are worked out here.
I am a subscriber of the corresponding mailing list and know that the
work on mosaic 2.8 had to be stopped since you get funded for a
different application as the pilot implementation of the hyperion
stuff. As this was a drop of support of mosaic as the original pilot
software in this project i really doubt that you'll be able to get any
funding for mosaic in the future. You should look for a better way to
finish it.
Furthermore, i believe that the net community could be quite happy
with more than two or three free browsers (we already have two GPLed
web clients --- emacs w3 (capable, platform independent but slow) and
lynx 2.6), similarly to having more than one free unix implementation.
: BTW: mosaic 2.7b5, chimera and lynx 2.6 are my favorite browsers which
: i use as main references in web development.
:
Thanks!
Scott
Michael
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Scott Powers
Michael Ritzert (m...@pc29.dfg-bonn.de) wrote:
:
: Scott, this discussion jumps wildly between chimera, mosaic, and
: lynx. At present, we're talking about lynx, while You seem to mean
: mosaic.
:
My bad. Didn't see the reference to lynx...I had been following the thread,
just didn't see it. Thanks for clearing that up. :)
: But why don't You arrange with john kilburg to use chimera as the
: basis?
:
No offense to JK is intended and I have not looked at the Chimera source code
at all...I was really hoping this could be a ground up implementation written
in C++ and hopefully (I am still working on this at my end) using a
cross-platform framework we are developing here at NCSA. Not only would this
knock the development time way down, but it also makes the "net browser"
available on U*ix, NT, 95, Mac, and in the future VMS and BeOS...and wherever
else we port "Hyperion" (the framework). The licensing is what I am currently
working on at this end. Development on Hyperion is in progress and is headed
toward a 1.0 release in April. I will post more about this once the details
are worked out here.
: BTW: mosaic 2.7b5, chimera and lynx 2.6 are my favorite browsers which
: i use as main references in web development.
:
Thanks!
Scott
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John McNulty wrote:
RedBaron that comes with RedHat Offical releases is a rather
nice browser based on Spryglass technologies. Does not work
in anything but 8 bit mode, and no Java or JavaScript support
but a rather decent effort.
later...
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