Fav. Rocket
FlyHigh
I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
Estes Ninja...
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Thanks,
Eric Speckman
Fly...@SmileyFace.com
www.coredcs.com/~speckman/rocket/rocket.html
Buzz McDermott
FlyHigh wrote:
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
> and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> Estes Ninja...
Assuming we limit our favorites to rockets currently 'on hand':
1. My recently completed Estes Interceptor (nerver worked so hard on so
little a rocket before!) - and it will only fly once, maybe twice,
MAXIMUM.
2. My THOY Falcon, which I've used to L2 cert for both TRA and NAR.
Flown on everything from a G80 to J275, so far. J415 is in the works
next time I'm somewhere with enough of a waiver.
3. My 'hardened' Estes Broadsword. All original parts (except recovery
system) with some fiberglass strengthening. Flown on E15 to G55 so far.
Buzz McDermott
NAR 13559 L2 cert.
TRA 1785 L2 cert.
Helen Rapozo
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, FlyHigh wrote:
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
> and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> Estes Ninja...
>
For me it depends on the time period.
Oh by the way is "favorite rocket" means the one you like to fly
a lot or the one that you like show off a lot (as in "ohh look
at my nice paint job")?
For me I going to answer your question in terms of the one I
like to fly a lot.
During the early years (1970 to 1976), I think the rocket in question
would be the Centuri Orion.
When I came back into the hobby in 1994, at first it was the Alpha III
but the 1st Warp II was getting a lot flights. Close second would
be the Astrocams, the 2nd Big Bertha and Shadow.
In 1995, the 1st Warp II and the 2nd Big Bertha.
In 1996, the 2nd Big Bertha, plus I was bringing the Broadsword
to almost every launch, still flying the 1st Warp II but not
as much as the first 2 years.
Right now, I guess the Broadsword is the current favorite, with
the Big Bertha being the second favorite for flying. Weird thing
about the Big Bertha, it's the kind of rocket that creeps up on
you.
I had one back in the 70's which I brought from someone, logged
about 5 flights under my ownership, nothing bad during flying,
but the life of me I can't remember what things it did.
In the 90's, I got 4, the 1st one was lost on it's 4th flight,
number 2 has logged over 100 flights (and only 2 near and minor
prangs), number 3 got converted to a Ranger, flew only once
and number 4 is still in the bag, brought it after #2 nearly
pranged. Plan to build it this year 8-). And yeah I'm thinking
of picking up maybe 2 more Big Berthas this year.
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On 14 January 1997, Eric Speckman wrote:
>I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
>What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
>and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
>Estes Ninja...
--
>Thanks,
>Eric Speckman
>Fly...@SmileyFace.com
>www.coredcs.com/~speckman/rocket/rocket.html
Well, now....since it seems that you're not restricting your question to
favorite KITS, then I have a tough decision to make. I actually have
THREE favorite rockets, all scratch-built. I will list them in the order
in which they were built:
3x upscale Estes Mars Lander- flew twice before retirement to the ceiling
of Magnum, Inc.
3x upscale Estes Interceptor- flew three times before retirement to same
location
4.5x upscale Estes Interceptor- flown once only at Three Oaks 21 April 96
on 3x I284's.....awesome flight! It will soon be in the same location as
the above rockets.
IF I have to choose among these, then I would have to pick the bigger
Interceptor, for the simple reason that it is IMPRESSIVE, at least to me.
John O'Donnell NAR# 60742 CSAR Sec.#113
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The Silent Observer
FlyHigh wrote:
>
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
> and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> Estes Ninja...
>
I guess I'd have to say my favorite rocket is the Big Bertha -- though
the Star Rider would be a close second. B)
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In order:
1) Estes Bullpup. Reliable, flies straight. Crowd pleaser.
2) Quest Flatcat. (only flew 4 times, lost the booster)
3) LOC Graduator (RIP)
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Louis P. Catozzi
FlyHigh wrote:
>
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> What is your favorite rocket?
My favorite rocket is the THOY Falcon, my first HPR. It's flown on G80,
H140, H142, I65, J90, J180, J135, K185, K460, and finally a K415 where
it "exceeded the speed of plywood" during a multistage boost of a THOY
Peacock. It is now retired and hanging on my office wall where it helps
to attract people in to talk rockets.
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Henry
FlyHigh wrote:
>
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> Estes Ninja...
>
I think my fav. rocket is one that flys strait up, and recovers as
planned.
Other than that, I guess the one Estes made that was 'see through'. Have
no idea what it was called.
Henry.
KF
"FlyHigh" <spec...@coredcs.com> wrote:
>I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
>What is your favorite rocket?
I like LOC kits the best.
I suppose my favorite is my Top Gunn. My opinion may change after I
build my first bird with a 98mm motor mount.
Another good question would be:
What is your favorite motor?
Mine is the Kosdon I500. I like all the fast Kosdon motors as well as
Aerotech Blue Thunder.
KF
Louis P. Catozzi
KF wrote:
>
> Another good question would be:
>
> What is your favorite motor?
>
The K185 gets my vote. Burns forever, I got over 6,000' using one
in a THOY Falcon (modified).
BowZer
I like:
1. Check-Six by Impulse Aerospace
2. Commache-3 by Estes
3. Mean Machine by Estes
4. Mirage by Aerotech
5. Viking/Aim-9 Sidewinder by Estes
BowZer
Darrell D. Mobley
FlyHigh wrote:
>
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> What is your favorite rocket?
My favorites are those that stay together. I have a LOC EZI that has
about 20 flights on it and still flies great.
But my favorites to reproduce are scale sounding rockets. Way cool.
Darrell
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450 years ago, Nostradamus predicted that on Tuesday 14 January 1996,
Flyhigh would ask:
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
> and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> Estes Ninja...
>
My favorite (and now only) rocket is my veteran Mirage "El Rocket Muy
Loco". It has logged over 40 flights in the past 4 years. I have,
over the course of many hard landings and not-quite-so-connected-
parachutes :-O, reaplaced just about every part in this rocket except
the nosecone. The fins have each been replaced two or three times.
I swear Gary Rosenfield should give me a comp-ed week at the Luxor
resort in L.V. !!!
This rocket has flown on just about every motor from the G-33 to
an I-357. (Talk about versitile! -- can you say I-435)
Well, there it is.
Paul
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Doyle Tatum
> On 14 January 1997, Eric Speckman wrote:
>
Back in the late 60's it had to be my clustered Estes
Ranger. Never went to a launch without it. It flew
"true" whether 1 - 2 or 3 motors lit! I recovered it with
3 12" chutes.
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Cochran, Ted
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, FlyHigh wrote:
>
Comanche 3, on a calm clear day.
Broadsword otherwise.
But I'm still a newbie; I expect that will change after another 100 flights.
--tc
Ted Cochran
Honeywell Technology Center
Bart Hackemack
5. Estes Sidewinder (Flying on AT E11's)
4. Estes Mean Machine (Flying on AT E11 or E11 or F12)
3. VB Extreme (Flying on Estes D12's, Have flown on an E30 ONCE!)
2. Super Scale Mosquito (2.56" with 29mm Motor Tube, not yet flown.
looks cool though...)
1. 4" Crayon Bank. (Right now, my favorite... Looks really cool and
just did my TRA Level 1 cert using it...)
Lee Reep
Recently, (or awhile ago), FlyHigh wrote:
: I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
: and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
: Estes Ninja...
1. Estes Orbital Transport
2. Estes Trident (still have it -- in fact, finished it 2 years ago
after hauling around for 20+ years).
3. Mars Lander -- never had one, always wanted one
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In article <32DD1B...@erols.com>,
Henry <hoe...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> FlyHigh wrote:
> >
> > I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> > What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
> > and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> > Estes Ninja...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric Speckman
> > Fly...@SmileyFace.com
> > www.coredcs.com/~speckman/rocket/rocket.html
> ------
>
> I think my fav. rocket is one that flys strait up, and recovers as
> planned.
>
> Other than that, I guess the one Estes made that was 'see through'. Have
> no idea what it was called.
>
> Henry.
It was/is called the Phantom, have sitting on my pc at work
John
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Chris Turner
"FlyHigh" <spec...@coredcs.com> wrote:
>I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
>What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
>and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
>Estes Ninja...
>--
>Thanks,
>Eric Speckman
>Fly...@SmileyFace.com
>www.coredcs.com/~speckman/rocket/rocket.html
I like my estes sidewinder also my estes athena. I'm hoping to get the
new nike arrow so i hope that it will be another one of my favorites.
Chris Turner
mor...@parsec.com
In article <01bc027e.0776eae0$abc196c6@pcuser>,
"FlyHigh" <spec...@coredcs.com> wrote:
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
My second favorite is probably Estes' Andromeda.
My favorite was a homebuilt about 4' tall made with Centuri parts.
(I likes 'em tall an' skinny!)
It had a "groove tube" kind of fin arrangement and a small clear
payload section. Paint was navy, red, and white with some chrome
mylar tape accents. Some raggedy-ass loser stole it at an exhibition
in Thousand Oaks, CA in 1972. A reward is offered for its return.
A larger reward is offered for the social security number of the thief.
:)
Doug Holverson
Centuri Orion followed closely by the Klingberg Rocket Wing and the
Estes Mars Lander.
-DGH-
David Neff
My favorite rockets (and motors);
Hott Rockets V2/M1419
PML Quantum Leap/2-stage/I435
Thoy Phoenix/I112
Estes Pro Patriot/cluster/D12
NCR SA-14 Archer XL/H180
LOC Magnum/K550
Dynacom Yellow Jacket/L288
Vaughn Brothers Extreme/hybrid/J260
Rocketman Preying Mantis/J350
Aerotech Arreaux/G40
Dave Neff
Mark W. Howe
Louis P. Catozzi wrote:
> My favorite rocket is the THOY Falcon, my first HPR.....
> It is now retired and hanging on my office wall where it helps
> to attract people in to talk rockets.
I have an Estes Patriot (4-D cluster) hanging in my office. It's not
"retired", I just keep it there to spark peoples interest in the hobby.
It's been quite the conversation piece. Anybody else display their
handiwork at their place of employment?
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I have a few favorites, the 1/70th scale Saturn 1B, 1/100 Centuri Saturn
V, but if I had to pick just one, it would be the Mars Lander. If
anyone is looking for Mars Lander plans, you can download them from my
website.
http://128.230.82.205/rocketpics/plans/lander.html
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In article <01bc027e.0776eae0$abc196c6@pcuser>, "FlyHigh"
>
>I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
>What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
>and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
>Estes Ninja...
>
>
This question gets asked periodicly. My favorite rocket now is the Estes
Saturn V 1/100 scale.
Next up are:
Big Bertha (Of Course!!!!)
Phoenix
Broadsword
Black Brant II
Helio Copter
Omloid
Paul.
Wolfram v.Kiparski
My favorites change all the time.
Right now they are the rockets I am working on:
1.9X Big Bertha scale up (3 inch mailing tube)
1:10.9 Aerobee
1:8.85 Astrobee 1500 (90% fiberglass)
Wolf
Mark Simpson
>KF wrote
> >I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> >What is your favorite rocket?
5. Estes Phoenix - haven't flown it yet.
4. Estes Maniac - Great D flyer
3. Estes Bull Pup - flies straight as an arrow with a slight roll (
probably a misalligned fin
2. Estes Helio-Copter - I have two that I fly at every launch.
1. Estes Broadsword - I love the slow, realistic lift-off and dead-on
apogee ejection.
Future hopefuls:
Launch Pad Sidewinder - not built yet
Mean Machine - built one, building second one - haven't flown either
yet.
Mountainside 2.6" V-2 - in the near future
James R. Desjean
Gee so many memories my first was in september 96'
an Estes Sidewinder not a good rocket to start with
any way I got mine to hang in my room well I could not resest
to launch so I got a starter set but in a B engine (thank god youll
read why later) shot it up went no more then 5 feet of the rod
and like a real
Sidewinder went horizontall and scared the Fu$% out of me
crashed into mud 5 feet away from a super busy street
I am sure if I used a C it would have it a car
any way later on I figured out I Put the fins on back words
engine mount was crocked all sorts of stuff well
I would rather forget that day but I can not go launch
rockets without looking at the road makeing sure the nearst car
is a long way down the road so thats my first rocket
Kevin D
by the way the starter set I had came with 2 rockets
spent much time 2 weeks makeing sure I did not
screw up building them my TWISTER tall section
naver came down so I modified it....
lets just say it now has the impression of a Russion
MIG and flys very very well the twister has gone over a mile
in the wind but have not lost it yet and I have a lot more
bad storys if any one whants to hear them and some nice ones
Kevin D
Stu Barrett
David Neff wrote:
>
> My favorite rockets (and motors);
>
> LOC Magnum/K550
> Dynacom Yellow Jacket/L288
Both good choices, but I prefer the Phoenix on a I357 and the Magnum on
a K185 or a K250.
Stu
Bob Kaplow
> and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> Estes Ninja...
1) Most flown rocket of 1996: Happy meal (surprise!) Flown at every launch I
went to in 1996 except an impromptu back yard launch for neighborhood kids.
2) Most flown not a food container or hunk of foam: Tie: Skywriter-24 (3"
pencil bank with 24mm motor mount) and Maniac Maniac a double length Maniac.
3) Favorite old Kit: Orbital Transport. Still have mine from when it first came
out.
4) Favorite kit I never had: Estes Mars Lander or 1/70 Saturn IB.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Abort, Retry, Fail?"
PeteAlway
Favorite rocket: Saturn V (the real thing)
Favorite model rocket: Bob Biedron's Ariane 3 (it's amazing, with subtle
details you only see when the
light is just right)
Favorite model rocket that I've built: 1/69 Saturn I
Favorite kits: Estes old 1/70 Saturn IB, Orbital Transport
Peter Alway
Stephen DeArman
FlyHigh wrote:
>
> I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
> and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> Estes Ninja...
>
Eric,
My favorite would have to be the Estes SR-71.When there's very
little wind, with an A-8-3 or B-6-5 it will perform what pilots call a
hammerhead stall.If you've never seen one go to an air show sometime.A
C-6-5 gives it a nice glide before the chute deploys.
Launch 'em ALL
Randy
Jack Wiker
(Still more fun on a C6)
David Neff
Doyle Tatum
John Richard Taylor wrote:
>
> 2) Astron Trident - Never built one or seen one in real life, but it's a
> pretty and complex looking rocket. A "maybe one day"
> future project - the number of nose cones, centering
> rings and body tubes makes this a fairly daunting task
> at the moment (no spare parts over here - probably have
> to scratch-build everything :-( )
I "had" this rocket! Very cool. Spent weeks constructing it. The first
flight
the recovery system worked perfectly. The second flight (you saw this
coming!) a lawn dart?!?!?!!?!?! Oh well.
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John Richard Taylor
My favorites (so far):
1) Astron Sprite - I built a replica as my first ever scratch built project
but lost it on its first flight (on an A3-4T - a little
too high...) I love this cool little rocket's looks and
I'm seriously considering an upscale of it as my next
project. :-)
2) Astron Trident - Never built one or seen one in real life, but it's a
pretty and complex looking rocket. A "maybe one day"
future project - the number of nose cones, centering
rings and body tubes makes this a fairly daunting task
at the moment (no spare parts over here - probably have
to scratch-build everything :-( )
3) Big Bertha - A classic, fun rocket. Looks great and has nice slow flights.
4) Broadsword - Big Bertha on steroids! This will be an awesome rocket when
my brother builds it.
5) Birdie - a fun, silly little rocket-propelled shuttle-cock which performs
remarkably well! OK it doesn't break any height or speed records
but it is reliable and is the smallest rocket I've seen (smaller
than a Mosquito, but harder to lose!)
6) Mosquito - I built a replica out of a engine casing. Very fast little
rocket, and one where Estes "out of sight flights" claim holds
true! ;-) I added a chrome band around the bottom of the body
tube on mine and this makes spotting it descending much easier.
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'Displaying their handiwork at their place of employment' is what got
a large group of us here started in rocketry in 1996. The display was
a new Estes Astrocam. The current display in a friend's office is a
4' Phoenix. We usually bring in a current project to be displayed for
a short period.
Two Level I certifications today at the NASA/Houston rocket club
launch are the result of that display. One was a LOC IV with a H180M,
and the other was a PML Miranda on an H123M.
A total of four Level I certifications were successfully flown today.
Martin Rogoff
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T-Bishop
I have several to list...
My first was a rocket I built with my Cub scout group many years ago.
Mega-Siz on a D-12 motor.. most awesome, the boys loved it.
Second. was a scratch built of a Nike-Hercules. D-12
Third.. was my son Aaron and my first high power rocket Loc Legacy. F-39
Fourth.. was another scratch built, "This End Up" G-64
Fifth.. was other son, Michael and my rocket, Loc Mini Mag, "Short Stuff"
H-180
Sixth.. was Aaron and my Rocket, scratch built, "Midnight Express" J-275
Seventh.. was another scratch built, "Fuelish Pleasure" I-211
Eighth.. was a 10x scale-up of the Estes Mosquito, "Texas Skeeter" one
H-242, and four G-40's clustered.
Ninth.. was a 3x scale-up of the Quest Intruder, J-90
Tenth.. was a group project with four of my good friends. "High Five" was a
scratch built 7.5" dia. by 10' tall weighing in at about 45 lbs.
It had a five 54mm motor
cluster. We flew it at the H.O.T. launch last June. The first flight had 3
K-550's and 2 K-185's. The second launch (the same day) had the
first ever cluster of 5 Turbo K motors.
You know something? All of my rockets were my favorites. Not because of
what they were, but for the friends and family I shared them with.
My next rocket.... Right now I am finishing out a Dynacom V-2. Should I
use a K-1100 or perhaps one of them new 54mm L motors.
After that... I have always wanted to scale-up the Quest X-30 Aerospace
plane.
Maybe that would make a good first M flight for Level 3.
What do you think?
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Wylie, Texas
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FlyHigh <spec...@coredcs.com> wrote in article
<01bc027e.0776eae0$abc196c6@pcuser>...
PeteAlway
Doyle Tatum <doy...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>John Richard Taylor wrote:
>>
>> 2) Astron Trident - Never built one or seen one in real life, but it's
a
>> pretty and complex looking rocket. A "maybe one
day"
>> future project - the number of nose cones,
centering
>> rings and body tubes makes this a fairly daunting
task
>> at the moment (no spare parts over here - probably
have
>> to scratch-build everything :-( )
>
>I "had" this rocket! Very cool. Spent weeks constructing it. The first
>flight
>the recovery system worked perfectly. The second flight (you saw this
>coming!) a lawn dart?!?!?!!?!?! Oh well.
I remember building a Trident clone. I stole the functional ideas
from the Trident plans, but used delta fins and a Jetsons ring or two.
I recall that my parachute tended to foul in the vent tubes a lot.
Eventually, it just got so crimped from hard landings that I had to
trash it. I guess I should have used a longer upper tube or something.
Peter Alway
Wolfram v.Kiparski
In article <01bc05aa$e501a240$50e6...@ia.airmail.net>, "T-Bishop"
<bis...@airmail.net> wrote:
> I have several to list...
>
> My first was a rocket I built with my Cub scout group many years ago.
> Mega-Siz on a D-12 motor.. most awesome, the boys loved it.
<snip>
> Tenth.. was a group project with four of my good friends. "High Five" was a
> scratch built 7.5" dia. by 10' tall weighing in at about 45 lbs.
> It had a five 54mm motor
> cluster. We flew it at the H.O.T. launch last June. The first flight had 3
> K-550's and 2 K-185's. The second launch (the same day) had the
> first ever cluster of 5 Turbo K motors.
>
> You know something? All of my rockets were my favorites. Not because of
> what they were, but for the friends and family I shared them with.
>
> My next rocket.... Right now I am finishing out a Dynacom V-2. Should I
> use a K-1100 or perhaps one of them new 54mm L motors.
>
> After that... I have always wanted to scale-up the Quest X-30 Aerospace
> plane.
> Maybe that would make a good first M flight for Level 3.
>
> What do you think?
Sounds like your having a lot of fun. At the rate you're going, I wonder what
your 20th rocket will be like. 8-)
Wolf
Bart Hackemack
T-Bishop wrote:
>
> I have several to list...
>
> My first was a rocket I built with my Cub scout group many years ago.
> Mega-Siz on a D-12 motor.. most awesome, the boys loved it.
>
>
> Third.. was my son Aaron and my first high power rocket Loc Legacy. F-39
>
> Fourth.. was another scratch built, "This End Up" G-64
>
> Fifth.. was other son, Michael and my rocket, Loc Mini Mag, "Short Stuff"
> H-180
>
> Sixth.. was Aaron and my Rocket, scratch built, "Midnight Express" J-275
>
> Seventh.. was another scratch built, "Fuelish Pleasure" I-211
>
> Eighth.. was a 10x scale-up of the Estes Mosquito, "Texas Skeeter" one
> H-242, and four G-40's clustered.
>
> Ninth.. was a 3x scale-up of the Quest Intruder, J-90
>
> scratch built 7.5" dia. by 10' tall weighing in at about 45 lbs.
> It had a five 54mm motor
> cluster. We flew it at the H.O.T. launch last June. The first flight had 3
> K-550's and 2 K-185's. The second launch (the same day) had the
> first ever cluster of 5 Turbo K motors.
>
> You know something? All of my rockets were my favorites. Not because of
> what they were, but for the friends and family I shared them with.
>
> My next rocket.... Right now I am finishing out a Dynacom V-2. Should I
> use a K-1100 or perhaps one of them new 54mm L motors.
>
> After that... I have always wanted to scale-up the Quest X-30 Aerospace
> plane.
> Maybe that would make a good first M flight for Level 3.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
> T. Bishop
> Wylie, Texas
> bis...@airmail.net
>
> T.R.A. # 4433 N.A.R. # 62290-SR
> Tripoli North Texas Dallas Area Rocket Society
>
> "We always have time for those things we put first"
>
> FlyHigh <spec...@coredcs.com> wrote in article
> <01bc027e.0776eae0$abc196c6@pcuser>...
> > I know this is kind of a general question, but I would like to know...
> > What is your favorite rocket? This question is directed directly to you,
> > and not everyone else. I think mine would be my scratch built 4" Super
> > Estes Ninja...
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Eric Speckman
Really nice touch. I think (rather hope) that all of us here at
RMR can take your comments to heart.
It's not only the ends but the means in this hobby...
The launch (ends)
People, Family, Friends, Building, Designing, RMR (The Means)
I guess the ends and the means in this case could quite easily
be interchanged...
It is REALLY refreshing to hear this attitude expressed publically
within this group...
Here's to T. Bishop!
Jack Wiker
keeping all of those tubes lined up!!
Jerry Irvine
> > use a K-1100 or perhaps one of them new 54mm L motors.
There are four cool ones at www.usrockets.com near
products/motors/expendables/54mm
> It is REALLY refreshing to hear this attitude expressed publically
> within this group...
Ditto.
Jerry
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Opinion, the whole thing.
Darrell Mobley
> > I remember building a Trident clone. I stole the functional ideas
> > from the Trident plans, but used delta fins and a Jetsons ring or two.
> > I recall that my parachute tended to foul in the vent tubes a lot.
> > Eventually, it just got so crimped from hard landings that I had to
> > trash it. I guess I should have used a longer upper tube or something.
>
> I'm currently finishing a 2 1/2 scale model of this....Damn, it's hard
> keeping all of those tubes lined up!!
Check out this Trident Upscale by Dave Bucher!
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In article <32E0FF...@worldnet.att.net>, Stephen DeArman
<tail...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> Eric,
> My favorite would have to be the Estes SR-71.When there's very
>little wind, with an A-8-3 or B-6-5 it will perform what pilots call a
>hammerhead stall.If you've never seen one go to an air show sometime.A
>C-6-5 gives it a nice glide before the chute deploys.
>
Randy, Are you launching on an angle ? If os, what angle are you using
for each engine? I'm using 20 degrees on a B or C (I think). Nice glide.
Kind of neat! Love my SR-71 too. If anyone else builds this one,
consider using gloss black paint. After decalling, use dull coat.
Placing decals on flat paint often results in silvering. That's what
happened to me. Enjoy!
Paul.
Stephen DeArman
Paul,
When I have been able to "stall",it's been straight up but with just
a little wind.(less than 8 m.p.h)The Estes catalog lists the weight at
3.2oz., mine is slightly heavier(3.4oz.) because it has 4 coats of
paint.Also,I only now realized I posted the wrong delay on the B
engine.It should have been B-6-4 not B-6-5.So before you add any weight
try a B-6-4.I apologize for the typo.I agree with you Paul,mine is gloss
black.
Note:I use a postal scale in my office to weigh Estes type
rockets.The one I have is electric and digital.It weighs down to
thousandths.They're great if you build from scratch and need to know
exactly.
Hope this helps!
Launch em' ALL,
Randy
David Neff
In article <32DE99...@mail.spk.olivetti.com>,
>I have an Estes Patriot (4-D cluster) hanging in my office. It's not
>"retired", I just keep it there to spark peoples interest in the hobby.
>It's been quite the conversation piece.
I can understand that, especially if you work at the Raytheon Company. :)
I displayed my Estes Pro Patriot at the RSO table, during the Extreme
Altitude Launch last year. It's a sophisticated rocket with superb
detailing.
It's a good icon.
Dave Neff
Jack Wiker
> [Image]
Wow!!! A mite larger than mine. His looks like a 4X scale!
...and a rather nice job! I had one other requirement, though...I have
to keep it light enought to fly on H's....Mine looks to come in under 4
lbs.
Mark Bundick
"FlyHigh" <spec...@coredcs.com> wrote:
>What is your favorite rocket?
Estes SPEV
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lar...@zk3.dec.com
FlyHigh wrote:
> What is your favorite rocket?
The Centuri MX-774. Had one as a kid that I
flew 19 times before it ran afoul of a rocket-
eating tree. Called it Old Reliable. Always
flew it on a C6-7, too. Streamer recovery,
and a very nice-looking model, too.
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Edmund C. Hack
In article <32E292...@cris.com>, Darrell Mobley <ddmo...@cris.com> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
Sending MIME messages to Usenet is bad form - many newsreaders have
problems with them. Please send a straight ASCII text.
>--------------5A004B4C431A
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
[snip]
>
>Check out this Trident Upscale by Dave Bucher!
[snip]
>
>--------------5A004B4C431A
>Content-Type: image/gif; name="rocket9.gif"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>Content-Disposition: inline; filename="rocket9.gif"
>
[gif deleted]
It is seven worse form to send a gif to a non-binaries group. The proper
procedure for sending out a gif is to:
1. Put the gif on an anon ftp site, a web page or a posting to
alt.binaries.misc
2. Post a message pointing to it to the newsgroup that would be
interested in it.
Unless a group has .binaries in the name, gifs, jepegs, etc. don't belong
in it.
TIA!
--
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ech...@crl.com\ I know just where I'd go." - Al Stewart
tes...@digitalglobe.com
You should try it with a SU AT E25. REALLY smokes on that one. Gotta
build it strong(epoxy, CA) though!!
Todd
Jack Wiker
Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
>
> Edmund C. Hack wrote:
> >
> > In article <32E292...@cris.com>, Darrell Mobley <ddmo...@cris.com> wrote:
> > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> >
> > Sending MIME messages to Usenet is bad form - many newsreaders have
> > problems with them. Please send a straight ASCII text.
>
> it it was in MIME format, we'll have to blame Netscape.
>
> > >Check out this Trident Upscale by Dave Bucher!
>
> >
> > It is seven worse form to send a gif to a non-binaries group.
>
> file. I just won't bother again.
>
> On the other hand, why don't we have a rec.models.rockets.binaries?
>
> Darrell
> --
> Rocketry Online has MOVED! Visit "Rocketry Online" at
> http://www.rocketryonline.com for the latest rocketry-oriented Internet
> information.
>
> "You come here, we'll take you there..."
If need be, you can e-mail interesting pictures directly to the affected
parties!
Darrell D. Mobley
Jerry Irvine
In article <32E3FB...@cris.com>, "Darrell D. Mobley"
<ddmo...@cris.com> wrote:
> On the other hand, why don't we have a rec.models.rockets.binaries?
IMHO with the web being somewhat dominant now a binaries newsgroup is
kinda silly. One web site could act as repository and index for any and
all rocket pic comers and that fact could be in the micro-FAQ.
With the easy option to offer public FTP I think this would be far better
than the involuntary and imperfect nature of newsgroups.
Just my opinion away from the discussion of whether or not to post
binaries to rmr proper. I for one think it was fine in moderation despite
the fact it is indeed not proper etiquitte.
What with the web and its FTP options, a binaries group is silly indeed.
Jeff Vincent
On 19 Jan 1997 07:39:42 GMT, wo...@NetHeaven.com (Wolfram v.Kiparski)
wrote:
>
>Sounds like your having a lot of fun. At the rate you're going, I wonder what
>your 20th rocket will be like. 8-)
My thoughts exactly. That's quite a learning curve you're riding
there!
Jeff Vincent mailto:jvin...@wizvax.net http://www.wizvax.net/jvincent/
Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking... Did he complain
to five or six postmasters last month? Now, you must ask yourself one
question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do you, punk?
The Silent Observer
Jack Wiker wrote:
>
> Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
> >
> > Edmund C. Hack wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <32E292...@cris.com>, Darrell Mobley <ddmo...@cris.com> wrote:
> > > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sending MIME messages to Usenet is bad form - many newsreaders have
> > > problems with them. Please send a straight ASCII text.
> >
> > I didn't do anything using Netscape's newsreader I don't normally do, so
> > it it was in MIME format, we'll have to blame Netscape.
> >
> > > >Check out this Trident Upscale by Dave Bucher!
> >
> > > [gif deleted]
> > >
> > > It is seven worse form to send a gif to a non-binaries group.
> >
> > I'm not going to jump through a multitude of hoops just to share a small
> > file. I just won't bother again.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rocketry Online has MOVED! Visit "Rocketry Online" at
> > http://www.rocketryonline.com for the latest rocketry-oriented Internet
> > information.
> >
> > "You come here, we'll take you there..."
>
> If need be, you can e-mail interesting pictures directly to the affected
> parties!
Or post them to your Web page and let us know they're there...
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Darrell D. Mobley
Jack Wiker wrote:
> Darryl, I liked it....thanks....
At least I didn't offend *everyone* <G>
> If need be, you can e-mail interesting pictures directly to the affected
> parties!
That would prove difficult on something you wish to share with everyone.
I guess I just don't have the email address of all readers here. ;-)
I propose a new newsgroup rec.models.rockets.binaries for those
interested in sharing pictures of launches, projects, rockets, etc.
Richard Pitzeruse
Mark W. Howe wrote:
>
> Anybody else display their
> handiwork at their place of employment?
>
I don't have any models on display here at work, but as a photgrapher
you may not find it surprising to learn I have a ton of rocket photos on
the wall. My favorite photo is my 4" diameter upscale Citation Patriot
being launched with a J-350. I get alot of comments on the photos.
--Rich
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Photo & Imaging Center mailto:rmpi...@mailbox.syr.edu
Syracuse University http://web.syr.edu/~rmpitzer
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Darrell D. Mobley
Jerry Irvine wrote:
> What with the web and its FTP options, a binaries group is silly indeed.
Jerry, I'm afraid I disagree. The popularity of Rocketry Online
supports my position:
"Why jump all over hell's half acre to find something that might be of
interest to you?"
With a photo-only newsgroup, like Rocketry Online, you don't have to go
to this link, then that link, then this other link, just to look at
rocketry-related photos. You go to *one* place to see them all. With
Rocketry Online, you don't have to go to this website's list of vendors
and then that website's list of individual's pages, to this other
website's list of rocketry-related software. You go to *one* place.
So, I think it makes sense, but it's only one person's opinion.
Otherwise, why is there sufficient traffic to justify the existence of
3,000+ *other* binaries-only newsgroups?
Robert W. Blaske
> Mark W. Howe wrote:
> >
> > Anybody else display their
> > handiwork at their place of employment?
I usually bring my currently finished project to the office for a while.
I'm trying to generate enough interest to get a group to come out on a
weekend and watch some launches. Probably when it gets a little warmer.
-rob
lar...@zk3.dec.com
In article <32E498...@ix.netcom.com>,
The Silent Observer <sil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Jack Wiker wrote:
> > Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
> > > I'm not going to jump through a multitude of hoops just to share a small
> > > file. I just won't bother again.
> > > On the other hand, why don't we have a rec.models.rockets.binaries?
> > If need be, you can e-mail interesting pictures directly to the affected
> > parties!
> Or post them to your Web page and let us know they're there...
Folks, the "approved" way of posting images for rec.models.rockets
is to post them to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and post a short
message to rmr letting people know where to look for it. If you
want to get really, really fancy, you post it from DejaNews, wait
'til it appears on their server, grab the url that displays it in
a browser, and post _that_ in rmr, so people can see the picture
with just one click. But _don't_ post binaries to rec.* groups
like this one, it can cause sysadmins to reconsider the generosity
of their latency time, or even to reconsider whether this news-
group should be present at all. It is net.abuse - and since it
is, it will draw the attention of the binary cancelbot, which
will zortch the offending posting so no one can see it anyway.
If you want the picture to be seen and enjoyed by the greatest
audience, follow this advice.
Darrell D. Mobley
lar...@zk3.dec.com wrote:
> Folks, the "approved" way of posting images for rec.models.rockets
> is to post them to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and post a short
> message to rmr letting people know where to look for it. If you
"Approved" by who? I never knew there was an approval process?!? I
certainly didn't vote for this.
> want to get really, really fancy, you post it from DejaNews, wait
> 'til it appears on their server, grab the url that displays it in
> a browser, and post _that_ in rmr, so people can see the picture
Oh, now THERE'S a simple procedure... (Like I said, "why bother?")
> with just one click. But _don't_ post binaries to rec.* groups
> like this one, it can cause sysadmins to reconsider the generosity
> of their latency time, or even to reconsider whether this news-
> group should be present at all. It is net.abuse - and since it
> is, it will draw the attention of the binary cancelbot, which
> will zortch the offending posting so no one can see it anyway.
Hmm, it must not have been abusive enough to be caught by the Net Police
(cancelbot)...
> If you want the picture to be seen and enjoyed by the greatest
> audience, follow this advice.
The cancelbot must be set with a unusually high threshold for abuse,
obviously to allow for the novels people insist on using as taglines...
I mean, boxes?, quotes?, borders?, ASCII rockets?, dogs? cats, birds?,
300 line quotes with 1 line replies? What *really* is abuse?
> .-. .---..---. .---. .-..-. | He who speaks the truth must have one foot
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>
> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Darrell
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Recently, (or awhile ago), John Richard Taylor wrote:
: My favorites (so far):
: 2) Astron Trident - Never built one or seen one in real life, but it's a
: pretty and complex looking rocket. A "maybe one day"
: future project - the number of nose cones, centering
: rings and body tubes makes this a fairly daunting task
: at the moment (no spare parts over here - probably have
: to scratch-build everything :-( )
The Trident is a beautiful rocket, and you can get all 9 balsa cones from
BMS, since they reproduce the old Estes nose cone line. I have a 7 foot
tall upscale of the Trident underway, and had BMS do a few of the ogive
cones. They cannot faithfully do the "EStes-style" parabolics in the
size I want, so I'm turning those myself. Already did the upscaled "50J"
cone, and just need to do three more. :-)
I plan to fly on a 38mm Black Jack reload, for nice slow liftoff. I'll
glass the three outer tubes, but still afraid of crumpling, hence the
Black Jack. Also, no routing of ejection gases on this one, it will be
ALTS2 based deployment.
--
Lee Reep
le...@fc.hp.com
Jack Wiker
re-routing. I plan on flying it in 2 1/2 weeks...I'll let you know how
it goes....Hopefully on an I161
T-Bishop
Couldn't do it without the help of many friends.
Thanks....
--
T. Bishop
Wylie, Texas
bis...@airmail.net
T.R.A. # 4433 N.A.R. # 62290-SR
Tripoli North Texas Dallas Area Rocket Society
"We always have time for those things we put first"
Jeff Vincent <jvin...@wizvax.net> wrote in article
<32e42d3a...@news.wizvax.net>...
T-Bishop
Somebody help me out here. Why is this bad? Who decided this was bad? I am
new at this and I just don't understand why this is not an "approved " way
to post pictures.
Help me see the light.
--
T. Bishop
Wylie, Texas
bis...@airmail.net
T.R.A. # 4433 N.A.R. # 62290-SR
Tripoli North Texas Dallas Area Rocket Society
"We always have time for those things we put first"
lar...@zk3.dec.com wrote in article <8538808...@dejanews.com>...
> In article <32E498...@ix.netcom.com>,
> The Silent Observer <sil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Jack Wiker wrote:
> > > Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
> > > > I'm not going to jump through a multitude of hoops just to share a
small
> > > > file. I just won't bother again.
> > > > On the other hand, why don't we have a
rec.models.rockets.binaries?
> > > If need be, you can e-mail interesting pictures directly to the
affected
> > > parties!
> > Or post them to your Web page and let us know they're there...
>
> Folks, the "approved" way of posting images for rec.models.rockets
> is to post them to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and post a short
> message to rmr letting people know where to look for it. If you
> want to get really, really fancy, you post it from DejaNews, wait
> 'til it appears on their server, grab the url that displays it in
> a browser, and post _that_ in rmr, so people can see the picture
> with just one click. But _don't_ post binaries to rec.* groups
> like this one, it can cause sysadmins to reconsider the generosity
> of their latency time, or even to reconsider whether this news-
> group should be present at all. It is net.abuse - and since it
> is, it will draw the attention of the binary cancelbot, which
> will zortch the offending posting so no one can see it anyway.
> If you want the picture to be seen and enjoyed by the greatest
> audience, follow this advice.
>
> --
Jack Wiker
T-Bishop wrote:
>
> Somebody help me out here. Why is this bad? Who decided this was bad? I am
> new at this and I just don't understand why this is not an "approved " way
> to post pictures.
>
> Help me see the light.
>
> --
> T. Bishop
> Wylie, Texas
> bis...@airmail.net
>
> T.R.A. # 4433 N.A.R. # 62290-SR
> Tripoli North Texas Dallas Area Rocket Society
>
generates an incredible amount of trash on the screen (while tying up
download time)
Jeff Vincent
On 21 Jan 1997 21:54:04 GMT, "T-Bishop" <bis...@airmail.net> wrote:
>Somebody help me out here. Why is this bad? Who decided this was bad? I am
>new at this and I just don't understand why this is not an "approved " way
>to post pictures.
>
>Help me see the light.
It's good to see this attitude -- "I don't know so please help me."
Certainly a vast improvement over the "I don't know any rules, I won't
bother to learn any, so don't bother me and I'll do what I damn well
please" attitude all too prevalent on Usenet.
Every Usenet user (not just newbies!) should visit the
"news.announce.newusers" newsgroup. It contains FAQs (lists of
Frequently Asked/Answered Questions) which tell you how to properly
use the newsgroups. In a post entitled "How to find the right place
to post (FAQ)", you'll find the following...
"Subject: Binaries (images, executables, sounds, etc.)
"There are many newsgroups dedicated to posting various sorts of
binary files, such as images, computer software, etc. These are
gathered under the alt.binaries.* and comp.binaries.* hierarchies.
(There are also some local binaries hierarchies, such as
de.alt.binaries.*) These groups are the only places where you should
ever post a file that is not directly human-readable, such as
pictures, software, or even Microsoft Word files (which are not
readable unless you have a copy of Microsoft Word on your computer.)
"For more information, please refer to the FAQs in
alt.binaries.pictures.d
"These groups were set up so that sites could easily choose whether or
not to accept binary traffic, or perhaps to keep binary posts around
for a different length of time than non-binaries. The average binary
file is many times larger than the average non-binary post, and many
sites and users do not want to devote resources to storing these
files.
"Do not post anything other than plain text in non-binaries groups.
If the group does not have the word 'binaries' in its name, do not
post binaries there."
----------
The Usenet is self-policed by and large. You don't want me peeing
in your sandbox, and I expect the same of you. ;)
The Silent Observer
T-Bishop wrote:
>
> Somebody help me out here. Why is this bad? Who decided this was bad? I am
> new at this and I just don't understand why this is not an "approved " way
> to post pictures.
>
> Help me see the light.
>
Posting binaries to discussion newsgroups is bad because:
It increases the traffic on the newsgroup. No, one posting isn't a big
issue -- but what if there were half a dozen a day? Then what if the
assorting pornsters started posting >their< binaries (already crossposted
to dozens of semi-related groups) here? Somewhere in there, reason 2
kicks in:
It makes sysadmins working marginal systems more likely to drop a group
-- they >have< to get >every< posting that comes across; they can't pick
and choose, and if they carry even a good selection of Usenet, they're
getting over a gig per day. If they feel the need to cut something, it's
the high-traffic groups (like ones with binaries) that have low
readership (like r.m.r) that will get the axe first. Which leads to the
third reason:
It might lead to respected and, dare we say, important participants
losing access to the newsgroup completely -- one instance is Bill Nelson,
whose ISP is so marginal that his postings don't always even reach the
group, but who I think we can all agree is generally worth listening
to...
Now, as my boss sometimes say, "no punishment this time" -- but keep all
this in mind in the future, and follow the proper netiquette. You'll get
a better audience (as someone else pointed out) >and< you'll help
preserve our forum for the future.
The Silent Observer
Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
>
>
> Hmm, it must not have been abusive enough to be caught by the Net Police
> (cancelbot)...
>
> obviously to allow for the novels people insist on using as taglines...
> I mean, boxes?, quotes?, borders?, ASCII rockets?, dogs? cats, birds?,
> 300 line quotes with 1 line replies? What *really* is abuse?
Bincancel is set up with a threshold size, as well as the intelligence to
look for multipart posts (with a lower pre-part threshold as well as one
for the post as a whole) and parse groups names. For a simple binary
attachment, I think it's something like 10k, perhaps a bit bigger --
that's about a 6k picture before the expansion of 7-bit encoding.
That's >far< larger than the biggest tome John Cato has ever put up
here...at leats in one piece.
BTW, there's one acceptable method of putting a picture directly into
your post, at least for those using Netscape and other browsers to read
newsgroups: put an HTML tag to the picture (somewhere in ftp- or
webspace) into the message -- the group will see only the few dozen bytes
of the tag, but readers with appropriate software will see the picture,
downloaded separately from the messages. Even offline readers won't have
to actually handle the bandwidth until or unless they view the message
containing the tag, and then choose to connect and let the tag do its
work.
For an example, try this:
<img src=http://members.aol.com/silntobsvr/obsvr.jpg>
This is stored on the group as about 50 bytes.
Marcus Leech
In article <N.012297.214132.84@noname>, Jim Kerns <ji...@ili.net> wrote:
>On 1/18/97 7:34PM, in message <32e169dc...@news.insync.net>, Martin
>Rogoff <mro...@insync.net> wrote:
>
>> 'Displaying their handiwork at their place of employment' is what got
>> a large group of us here started in rocketry in 1996.
>
>My Estes Saturn V and Saturn IB sit on my desk because I don't have a good
>place to keep them a home where they can be "out" but not get damaged. They
>were the spark that lead to the periodic "lunch launches" at a local park.
>
I once brought in one of my scratchbuilt models (a few weeks back,
actually). This was a 29mm near-minimum diameter rocket, about
4ft tall, intended for a MACH busting attempt. I brought it in to
show some of my rocketry-enthusiast colleagues.
Someone saw me with it, and commented, loudly "it makes me nervous to
see a member of our systems security organization carrying a missile".
I laughed...
--
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Systems Security Architect Phone: (ESN) 393-9145 +1 613 763 9145
Systems Security Services Fax: (ESN) 393-7679 +1 613 763 9435
Edmund C. Hack
>I'm not going to jump through a multitude of hoops just to share a small
>file. I just won't bother again.
>
that, like email, it shifts the majority of the costs to the recipient of
messages, away form the sender.
>On the other hand, why don't we have a rec.models.rockets.binaries?
Because:
A - nobody has tried to create it. It is lots of work to create new
newsgroups.
B - even if they did, I can pretty much be sure it would be voted down
as unneeded.
Edmund C. Hack
In article <32E541...@cris.com>,
>
>> Folks, the "approved" way of posting images for rec.models.rockets
>> is to post them to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and post a short
>> message to rmr letting people know where to look for it. If you
>
"Approved" by net consensus. Look through news.announce.newusers for info
on proper nettiquette.
>I never knew there was an approval process?!?
It's not a formal process. Usenet is built on consensus and voluntary
restraint.
>I certainly didn't vote for this.
So? Usenet is not a democracy. It is an anarchy, with elements of
dictatorship.
>
>> want to get really, really fancy, you post it from DejaNews, wait
>> 'til it appears on their server, grab the url that displays it in
>> a browser, and post _that_ in rmr, so people can see the picture
>
>Oh, now THERE'S a simple procedure... (Like I said, "why bother?")
>
Because if you want to let people get the binaries, there are "proper"
and "improper" ways to do it. We have an anonymous FTP site for a reason
- so items of limited interest can be distributed _only_ to those that
want it.
>> with just one click. But _don't_ post binaries to rec.* groups
>> like this one, it can cause sysadmins to reconsider the generosity
>> of their latency time, or even to reconsider whether this news-
>> group should be present at all.
This is the key point. A lot of newsservers have limited disk space.
Posting large binaries can have a newsgroup dropped at sites with limited
space, causes messages to expire faster, etc. (Yes, I know disk space is
cheap, but when your budget for upgrades on hardware is $0, it is
difficult to buy more space.)
>>It is net.abuse - and since it
>> is, it will draw the attention of the binary cancelbot, which
>> will zortch the offending posting so no one can see it anyway.
>
>Hmm, it must not have been abusive enough to be caught by the Net Police
>(cancelbot)...
It was borderline for the 'bots. Most binaries are bigger.
>> If you want the picture to be seen and enjoyed by the greatest
>> audience, follow this advice.
>
>The cancelbot must be set with a unusually high threshold for abuse,
>obviously to allow for the novels people insist on using as taglines...
>I mean, boxes?, quotes?, borders?, ASCII rockets?, dogs? cats, birds?,
>300 line quotes with 1 line replies? What *really* is abuse?
Much of the above is abuse. I tend to edit replies quite a bit. Many
people, especially newbies, the clueless and the rude don't. I have
chided people with huge sigs in the past. The point is that there are
certain conventions on how we do things, much like table manners. They
are the evolved consensus of years of doing this.
Darrell D. Mobley
The Silent Observer wrote:
> BTW, there's one acceptable method of putting a picture directly into
> your post, at least for those using Netscape and other browsers to read
> newsgroups: put an HTML tag to the picture (somewhere in ftp- or
> webspace) into the message -- the group will see only the few dozen bytes
> of the tag, but readers with appropriate software will see the picture,
> downloaded separately from the messages. Even offline readers won't have
> to actually handle the bandwidth until or unless they view the message
> containing the tag, and then choose to connect and let the tag do its
> work.
>
> For an example, try this:
>
> <img src=http://members.aol.com/silntobsvr/obsvr.jpg>
>
> This is stored on the group as about 50 bytes.
Ummm, I guess it didn't work, huh?
Darrell
--
Visit "Rocketry Online" at http://www.RocketryOnline.com for the latest
lar...@zk3.dec.com
> lar...@zk3.dec.com wrote:
> > Folks, the "approved" way of posting images for rec.models.rockets
> > is to post them to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and post a short
> > message to rmr letting people know where to look for it. If you
> "Approved" by who?
By the sys admins who wrote the Usenet Guidelines back
during the Great Renaming. Information to be found in
news.announce.newusers.
> I never knew there was an approval process?!? I
> certainly didn't vote for this.
I doubt you were around. You didn't vote for the income
tax or Social inSecurity either, that doesn't exempt you
from them.
> > want to get really, really fancy, you post it from DejaNews, wait
> > 'til it appears on their server, grab the url that displays it in
> > a browser, and post _that_ in rmr, so people can see the picture
> Oh, now THERE'S a simple procedure... (Like I said, "why bother?")
Then DON'T bother, just post to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and post
the pointer here.
> Hmm, it must not have been abusive enough to be caught by the Net Police
> (cancelbot)...
Depew's cancelbot has trouble detecting inline images at present.
I understand he is working on one that is more reliable. Never-
theless, the fact that you got away with it doesn't make it right.
Nor did you entirely get away with it. DejaNews, for instance,
retained your message but deleted your picture. Anyone who reads
the net using it, as I do, never saw your picture. I could have,
if you had followed the rules. It is also quite possible that
Depew's cancelbot may yet come after your posting - Usenet is
not a synchronous medium.
> > If you want the picture to be seen and enjoyed by the greatest
> > audience, follow this advice.
> The cancelbot must be set with a unusually high threshold for abuse,
> obviously to allow for the novels people insist on using as taglines...
> I mean, boxes?, quotes?, borders?, ASCII rockets?, dogs? cats, birds?,
> 300 line quotes with 1 line replies? What *really* is abuse?
There is a newsgroup dedicated to discussing that, so I shan't
address that last question here. I will point out that Depew's
cancelbot is just one weapon in a wide arsenal employed by sys
admins to avoid having Usenet run widely out of control and de-
mand more disk and computer resources than their employes are
willing to donate to support it - and we depend entirely on
their generosity. Cancelbots don't do the whole job. A lot
is done by hand - and people get away with a lot, especially
those listed above, because they are hard to detect algorith-
mically. That doesn't mean they are okay, and when people use
lots of them, sys admins take notice. They have to - and the
result is reduced backscroll, or even elimination of the of-
fending newsgroups. If that happens on a backbone site, then
you can poke holes in our propagation that can slow down the
speed of the group or even fragment it they way so many alt
groups are already.
In rocketry we learn early that every action brings and equal
and opposite _re_action. That applies to cyberspace as well
as physics. I am not making this stuff up, nor do I have any-
thing to do with enforcing it - but I'd like to see rmr con-
tinue to get wide and reliable propagation, so I take the
trouble to explain it.
lar...@zk3.dec.com
re: posting images
In article <01bc07e5$294dc8c0$4b01...@ia.airmail.net>,
"T-Bishop" <bis...@airmail.net> wrote:
> Somebody help me out here. Why is this bad?
Usenet is a store-and-forward system. Posts to your local
machine are stored there for local users, and forwarded to
all the machines it is linked to _if_ they carry the news-
group the post went to. Every machine in the net gets a
separate copy of the message, and every machine in the net
needs disk space to store it for whatever amount of time
it will be kept - called the "backscroll", since that is
the amount of time a message is kept before it "scrolls
off" into oblivion. Currently, that's about 750 megabytes
a day, more or less.
Images use far more disk space and take longer to transmit
than normal discussion. That means all the computers in
the network that transmit them must have larger disks and
wider bandwidth than would otherwise be needed. That is
why images are restricted to certain newsgroups - so that
most machines can carry more discussion newsgroups, with
a more generous backscroll, by electing not to carry the
images, or to carry them with reduced backscroll. Most
sites allow two weeks for a discussion newsgroup. Groups
that allow images are lucky to get three days. That means
you can skip reading discussion groups for up to two weeks
and not miss anything - but a long weekend will see images
lost that you will never see.
Right now, rmr is a discussion group. Nearly every com-
puter in the net carries it, and with a lot of backscroll.
That's because we are relatively cheap in terms of traffic
and disk. If posting images was okay, our disk usage would
start to climb on every system that carried us. Since it
is unlikely that the owners of those systems would run
right out and buy more disk space just so we could continue
to post images, the sys admins, who must balance our req-
uirements with everyone elses, would have little choice but
to reduce the backscroll - ten days, a week, three days -
until our usage levelled off again, or until they reach the
point where it is no longer economic for them to bother with
us and >foom< some machine drops us, and our posts never
reach users of that machine, and if that machine feeds news
to anyone downstream, we lose them, too, unless they have
redundant newsfeeds, in which case we lose time routing
every message around the lost machine. If that process
continues we will eventually have so many holes that posts
don't have time to reach every machine on the net before
they scroll away - that is the situation many of the alt
groups are in, and that is why the big seven is better.
But the big seven _is_ better because it _doesn't_allow_
_images_. That's the bottom line.
> Who decided this was bad?
The system administrators who run the computers that are
donated to network use by the various sites. Aside from
your access ISP, every machine that participates in Use-
net does so out of the kindness of someone's heart, as an
employee or student benefit. If we abuse the privilege,
then some of us will lose it. It's as simple as that.
The Silent Observer
Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
>
> The Silent Observer wrote:
>
> >
> > For an example, try this:
> >
> > <img src=http://members.aol.com/silntobsvr/obsvr.jpg>
> >
> > This is stored on the group as about 50 bytes.
>
> Ummm, I guess it didn't work, huh?
>
I guess not -- I've seen it done, I must have gotten the tag format
fouled up. There >is< a way to do it, but I'm not an HTML guru...
...but by lifting it from the original "Welcome to Netscape E-mail"
message, it looks like it really needs to be this way:
<IMG SRC="http://members.aol.com/silntobsvr/obsvr.jpg" ALT="Picture of
the Poster">
Darrell D. Mobley
The Silent Observer wrote:
> I guess not -- I've seen it done, I must have gotten the tag format
> fouled up. There >is< a way to do it, but I'm not an HTML guru...
>
> ...but by lifting it from the original "Welcome to Netscape E-mail"
> message, it looks like it really needs to be this way:
>
> <IMG SRC="http://members.aol.com/silntobsvr/obsvr.jpg" ALT="Picture of
> the Poster">
I think what you will find is that original Netscape welcome was
actually an HTML document that they "attached", like I did with that
picture.
Darrell D. Mobley
ENOUGH ALREADY! You vicarious net police have harped enough about the
subject. My God, you have all wasted more bandwidth with your continued
carping than the original binary.
I bet you all get boners just waiting on someone to pounce on...
No longer amused...
Helen Rapozo
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
> Jerry Irvine wrote:
>
> > What with the web and its FTP options, a binaries group is silly indeed.
>
> Jerry, I'm afraid I disagree. The popularity of Rocketry Online
> supports my position:
>
> "Why jump all over hell's half acre to find something that might be of
> interest to you?"
>
> With a photo-only newsgroup, like Rocketry Online, you don't have to go
> to this link, then that link, then this other link, just to look at
> rocketry-related photos. You go to *one* place to see them all. With
> Rocketry Online, you don't have to go to this website's list of vendors
> and then that website's list of individual's pages, to this other
> website's list of rocketry-related software. You go to *one* place.
>
> So, I think it makes sense, but it's only one person's opinion.
> Otherwise, why is there sufficient traffic to justify the existence of
> 3,000+ *other* binaries-only newsgroups?
>
> Darrell
>
got kind of heated with topic of posting images to rec.models.rockets.
In any event I selected the thread "Fav. Rocket" (what can I say
I use pine), saw the various postings going on about their
rockets and slightly mutated to the engines as well. Then the
image post (which I couldn't see because I use pine), then
this discussion started. I haven't seen the rest of the postings
yet but this one had to make me stop and reply to it.
If you want to create a binary picture newsgroup for model rockets
then fine go thru the steps to do it. However once it's created
who is going to supply the pictures for the newsgroup? And keep
in mind such posting are not going to last long, so the supplier
have to post it again and again and again.
Honolulu Community College _^_ Twas the second month of
874 Dillingham Blvd. / \ winter. TV shows are either
Honolulu, HI 96817 | | airing repeats or new episodes,
Ph#: (808) 845-9202 | | parks are empty on the weekends
FAX#: (808) 845-9173 | | and I still can't think of
cs_r...@hccadb.hcc.hawaii.edu /| |\ anything cute to place here.
he...@hcc.hawaii.edu |_|___|_|
Dan Hyslop
My favorite recent rocket was a scaled up version of the 'Tri-F-O' that
was in last summer's Sport Rocketry...I scaled up the balsa parts 2x, and
trimmed them to use a BT-80 body tube. On the 'inside' of the balsa
fin-structure, I made a laticework of dowels for support. I launched it
on a D12-3, and was somewhat surprised that it only went about 25 feet
up. Luckily, I had used conservative amounts of CA installing the engine
mount and successfully removed it, and replaced it with a home-made 2 D
cluster. I also found an extra long launch lug, and put it straight
through the center of the Y-axis of the rocket, since their isn't an
engine in the way in the double engine configuration. Also, the engines
were on a slight kant to aid in rotation. I got lots of good launches
off of it, but just a couple weeks ago, I lit it off at a Boy Scout
meeting, and one of the engines didn't go...it spun out into a tree. We
used a plastic Pepsi bottle to get it down. It's mainly intact, except
there's a few cracks in the balsa here and there...one of these days I'll
get around to repairing it :)
FlyHigh
> > "You come here, we'll take you there..."
>
> If need be, you can e-mail interesting pictures directly to the affected
> parties!
>
Why not just say: "go to http://www.somepage.com/pic.gif"? (or whatever
the link happens to be)
--
Thanks,
Eric Speckman
Fly...@SmileyFace.com
www.coredcs.com/~speckman/rocket/rocket.html
Darrell D. Mobley
The Silent Observer wrote:
> Sigh -- it looks like you're very close -- in fact, the mime-type reads
> as text/html, and the whole message is in HTML. One might find that
> adding body tags before and after would correct the situation -- but it's
> rapidly getting to be more work than just putting the picture in an ftp
> or web directory and posting a pointer...
I actually tried cutting the whole body of the Netscape welcome message
and clipping into an email to myself. No joy.
I'll just put the stuff on my website. I'll take all the traffic I can
get. Right now, it's generating about 5,000-7,000 hits per month...and
I can handle a LOT more than that!
Darrell
--
Visit "Rocketry Online" at http://www.RocketryOnline.com for the latest
rocketry-oriented Internet information.
"You come here, we'll take you there..."
Darrell D. Mobley
Helen Rapozo wrote:
> If you want to create a binary picture newsgroup for model rockets
> then fine go thru the steps to do it. However once it's created
> who is going to supply the pictures for the newsgroup? And keep
> in mind such posting are not going to last long, so the supplier
> have to post it again and again and again.
The intention was never to create a separate newsgroup, but to share
one, small GIF of a Trident upscale. Since then, it's been
Katy-bar-the-doors... But, I see the possibilities for people from all
walks of life to utilize such an animal for posting recent launch photos
if nothing else to motivate the others who read them...
> Honolulu Community College _^_ Twas the second month of
> 874 Dillingham Blvd. / \ winter. TV shows are either
> Honolulu, HI 96817 | | airing repeats or new episodes,
> Ph#: (808) 845-9202 | | parks are empty on the weekends
> FAX#: (808) 845-9173 | | and I still can't think of
> cs_r...@hccadb.hcc.hawaii.edu /| |\ anything cute to place here.
> he...@hcc.hawaii.edu |_|___|_|
Nice succinct tag line.
Paul J. Ste. Marie
>
> Sigh -- it looks like you're very close -- in fact, the mime-type
> reads as text/html, and the whole message is in HTML. One might find
> that adding body tags before and after would correct the situation --
> but it's rapidly getting to be more work than just putting the picture
> in an ftp or web directory and posting a pointer...
This should be correct--see below.
T-Bishop
Thought I would re-post this with a proper subject description. Please
excuse the redundancy.
T.R.A. # 4433 N.A.R. # 62290-SR
Tripoli North Texas Dallas Area Rocket Society
"We always have time for those things we put first"
T-Bishop <bis...@airmail.net> wrote in article
<01bc07e5$294dc8c0$4b01...@ia.airmail.net>...
> Somebody help me out here. Why is this bad? Who decided this was bad? I
am
> new at this and I just don't understand why this is not an "approved "
way
> to post pictures.
>
> Help me see the light.
>
>
> --
> T. Bishop
> Wylie, Texas
> bis...@airmail.net
>
> T.R.A. # 4433 N.A.R. # 62290-SR
> Tripoli North Texas Dallas Area Rocket Society
>
> "We always have time for those things we put first"
>
> lar...@zk3.dec.com wrote in article <8538808...@dejanews.com>...
> > In article <32E498...@ix.netcom.com>,
> > Folks, the "approved" way of posting images for rec.models.rockets
> > is to post them to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and post a short
> > message to rmr letting people know where to look for it. If you
> > want to get really, really fancy, you post it from DejaNews, wait
> > 'til it appears on their server, grab the url that displays it in
> > a browser, and post _that_ in rmr, so people can see the picture
> > with just one click. But _don't_ post binaries to rec.* groups
> > like this one, it can cause sysadmins to reconsider the generosity
> > of their latency time, or even to reconsider whether this news-
> > group should be present at all. It is net.abuse - and since it
> > is, it will draw the attention of the binary cancelbot, which
> > will zortch the offending posting so no one can see it anyway.
JRN
Jim Kerns wrote:
>
> On 1/18/97 7:34PM, in message <32e169dc...@news.insync.net>, Martin
> Rogoff <mro...@insync.net> wrote:
>
> > 'Displaying their handiwork at their place of employment' is what got
> > a large group of us here started in rocketry in 1996.
>
> My Estes Saturn V and Saturn IB sit on my desk because I don't have a good
> place to keep them a home where they can be "out" but not get damaged. They
> were the spark that lead to the periodic "lunch launches" at a local park.
>
> Jim K. ! Opinions: You want? I got!
> ji...@ili.net ! No warranty expressed or implied
Check out this web site they have a 1/100 scale mercury and gemini.
http://ideations.com/Boyce_Aerospace_Hobbies
Jim
The Silent Observer
Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
>
> The Silent Observer wrote:
>
> > I guess not -- I've seen it done, I must have gotten the tag format
> > fouled up. There >is< a way to do it, but I'm not an HTML guru...
> >
> > ...but by lifting it from the original "Welcome to Netscape E-mail"
> > message, it looks like it really needs to be this way:
> >
> > <IMG SRC="http://members.aol.com/silntobsvr/obsvr.jpg" ALT="Picture of
> > the Poster">
>
> I think what you will find is that original Netscape welcome was
> actually an HTML document that they "attached", like I did with that
> picture.
>
Sigh -- it looks like you're very close -- in fact, the mime-type reads
as text/html, and the whole message is in HTML. One might find that
adding body tags before and after would correct the situation -- but it's
rapidly getting to be more work than just putting the picture in an ftp
or web directory and posting a pointer...
--
Jack Wiker
Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
>
> > <img src=http://members.aol.com/silntobsvr/obsvr.jpg>
> >
> > This is stored on the group as about 50 bytes.
>
> Ummm, I guess it didn't work, huh?
>
> --
> Visit "Rocketry Online" at http://www.RocketryOnline.com for the latest
> rocketry-oriented Internet information.
>
> "You come here, we'll take you there..."
Ummm...It worked for me, Darryl
Paul J. Ste. Marie
Darrell D. Mobley wrote:
> ...
> I actually tried cutting the whole body of the Netscape welcome
> message and clipping into an email to myself. No joy.
Netscape and Eudora wrap the msg as a MIME text attachment, and any html
in there gets stripped. Saving an HTML file and attaching that should
work fine.
Jim Kerns
Foxeye
All I did was take a finely finished Estes Sidewinder to show some of
our Armament troops and got stuck with the task of building a 2, AIM
120 and Somemore Sidewinders, and possible a Maverick AGM65. Seems
like the pilots and armament boys want them for in the work and office
areas for display. Still waiting for info from LaunchPad on their
scale models. AIM 120 will most likely be PML's
T-Bishop
It's O.K. Darryl. I asked for an explanation because I really wanted to
know. Now that I know the rules, I can play by those rules.
T.R.A. # 4433 N.A.R. # 62290-SR
Tripoli North Texas Dallas Area Rocket Society
"We always have time for those things we put first"
Darrell D. Mobley <ddmo...@cris.com> wrote in article
<32E661...@cris.com>...
Cochran, Ted
In article <5c68c9$7...@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Dan Hyslop
<D*Hys...@aol.com> wrote:
> My favorite recent rocket was a scaled up version of the 'Tri-F-O' that
> was in last summer's Sport Rocketry...I scaled up the balsa parts 2x, and
> trimmed them to use a BT-80 body tube.....
Uh oh, someone didn't catch the psychic thread shift--what the heck is
this favorite rocket story doing in a thread on Usenet posting practices
on RMR??
:-)
--tc
Ted Cochran
Honeywell Technology Center
Jeff Vincent
>> If need be, you can e-mail interesting pictures directly to the affected
>> parties!
>
>That would prove difficult on something you wish to share with everyone.
>I guess I just don't have the email address of all readers here. ;-)
Well, your picture (before cancelation) was no doubt hosted on more
newsservers than there were rocketeers interested in looking at it, if
that adds any perspective.
>I propose a new newsgroup rec.models.rockets.binaries for those
>interested in sharing pictures of launches, projects, rockets, etc.
If you're inclined to do so, you can head over to
"news.announce.newusers" and look for a post entitled "How to Create a
New Usenet Newsgroup". Everything you want to know (probably more,
since its a drawn-out process for non-Alt groups and I don't think the
binary traffic here warrants it -- check out the emptiness of
"alt.binaries.models.scale" sometime -- and there's a heck of a lot
more scale modelers than us rocketeers. As a second thought, posting
rocket pics probably wouldn't be too out of place in ABMS, you might
want to try that with a pointer here in RMR).
Jeff Vincent mailto:jvin...@wizvax.net http://www.wizvax.net/jvincent/
Before you send me UCE, I know what you're thinking... Did he complain
to five or six postmasters last month? Now, you must ask yourself one
question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do you, punk?
The Silent Observer
Well, actually, it worked as a link -- but it was supposed to just put
the picture right into the message for those using a Web browser to read
the group. At that, it was a complete failure.
lar...@zk3.dec.com
In article <32E661...@cris.com>,> lar...@zk3.dec.com wrote:
[...]
> ENOUGH ALREADY! You vicarious net police have harped enough about the
> subject. [...]
I'm afraid I really can't resist this - it is poor netiquette
to include the entire, unedited text of a lengthy prior posting
in order to append a one or two line comment. It wastes band-
width. You should leave just enough of the original post to
provide context for your reply, and remove the rest. Anyone
who needs the full text of the original will find it in the
backscroll - usually automatically linked by the newsreader.
> I bet you all get boners just waiting on someone to pounce on...
Not normally, no, but something about your attitude just
begs for it.
lar...@zk3.dec.com
In article <01bc08b4.6c79fa40$adc196c6@pcuser>,
"FlyHigh" <spec...@coredcs.com> wrote:
> Why not just say: "go to http://www.somepage.com/pic.gif"?
That works for anyone who has a website - and it's the best
overall for rmr readers. alt.binaries.pictures.misc is there
for people who don't have websites - the system isn't perfect,
but it works so long as we don't beat up on it too bad.
To bring this thread back to something a darn sight more fun
than netiquette, _my_ all time favorite rocket was a tough
choice, but I think I've decided it was the Estes Goblin. I
really enjoyed the chunky "presence" of this model, its bold
color scheme, and the streamer recovery that meant I might
get it back and launch it again - something seldom true of
even the smallest parachutes in my youth. The streamer was
of a crepe-paper-like material that slowly stretched as the
model aged, it was bright orange, and the last few times it
flew, it returned to earth in a spectacular blaze of comet-
like glory - more impressive than any parachute. It was a
D-engine bird, but I routinely flew it on c6-5's with an
adapter.
The Sandhawk was a close followup - it, too, had great pre-
sence, but I put so much work into it that I never dared
launch it with a real engine - it used the same adapter as
the Goblin, and I never flew it with great than a b6-4 -
it would leap off the pad to about fifty feet and come back
within fifty feet of the pad. But the whole flight was
easy to see with the unaided eye, and it was a popular bird
with the spectators.
lar...@zk3.dec.com
In article <32E695...@cris.com>,
"Darrell D. Mobley" <ddmo...@cris.com> wrote:
> The intention was never to create a separate newsgroup, but to share
> one, small GIF of a Trident upscale. Since then, it's been
> Katy-bar-the-doors...
Darrell, please spare us the hyperbole. _No_ one has lit
into you with the ferocity, invective, and personal attacks
that are very much the norm elsewhere in Usenet for similar
offenses.
No one would care if it _were_ "one small GIF" - but why
should you be especially privileged? If you can do it,
why not I? Silent Observer? Bob Kaplow? Heck, why not
_everyone_? Because that would destroy the group. And
because we all cannot do it, no one should. It should
be discouraged every time it happens, and the need for
it explained.
Stop taking this so personally. People make these
mistakes. Sometimes the asynchronicity of the net
brings a plentitude of corrections. Kismet. Learn
the lesson and move on. No one would think less of
you for just letting it drop, but grumping about it
will not earn you any brownie points.