Omega Delivery Date
Tarquin Mills
Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
(Apologises to Cybervillage)
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Adrian Warrick
> Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> (Apologises to Cybervillage)
Having talked to MD yesterday, I think he is going to have a very red face.
A
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Robin May
>
> In article <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>,
> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> > Important Announcement
>
> > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
>
> > (Apologises to Cybervillage)
>
> Having talked to MD yesterday, I think he is going to have a very red face.
Well Robin May will exclusively reveal tomorrow that the Microdigital
Omega will not ship in 2002.
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> Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> (Apologises to Cybervillage)
I do hope for your sake that you are 100% sure of the accuracy of this
announcement. Postings like this have blown up in peoples faces before.
There certainly was no evidence of this in my last conversation with
Microdigital a couple of weeks ago. David was more cheerful about things
then he has been in a long time when I spoke to him.
Regards
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Ian K (N)
In article <3E4EB58C...@btopenworld.com>,
Robin May <northc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Adrian Warrick wrote:
> >
> > In article <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>,
> > Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> > > Important Announcement
> >
> > > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> > > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> > > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> >
> > > (Apologises to Cybervillage)
> >
> > Having talked to MD yesterday, I think he is going to have a very red
> > face.
> Well Robin May will exclusively reveal tomorrow that the Microdigital
> Omega will not ship in 2002.
Are you sure your information is correct^^^^. :-)
It seems an odd way to make such an announcement. Something like this, if
it is true, I would expect Microdigital to make sure they made it
themselves on there website, rather than it sliding out via a third party.
Other people have been stung before by making announcements about the
Omega that they believe have been accurate, only to be later proven wrong.
I've wondered if there is someone with a grudge against Microdigital who
has been spreading malicious rumours.
Regards
Ian K
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Hauke Wegner
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First of all i think this "announcement" is a joke. And yes i smiled
reading it.
The reason some people may be a bit upset here now seems to be that
they think it is quite possible that this announcement is not a joke but
true. And i guess all the upset people have ordered an Omega. but
after reading this they see themself waiting and waiting and waiting and
...
Hey guys! We've been waiting for some years now so i think we all know
how to wait and try to get the time not too long... People just calm
down. Since the start of the other computer there had been too much
boiled blood now.
Sincerely Hauke
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Philip Ludlam
Hauke Wegner <newsgr...@2a1p.de> wrote:
[snip]
>> > > In article <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>,
>> > > Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Important Announcement
>> > >
>> > > > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
>> > > > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
>> > > > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
[snip]
>First of all i think this "announcement" is a joke. And yes i smiled
>reading it.
>
>The reason some people may be a bit upset here now seems to be that
>they think it is quite possible that this announcement is not a joke but
>true.
There's a time and a place for announcements like that.
It's called April the first!
And it's only a month and a half away.
Yours,
Phil L.
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Ian Molton
Philip Ludlam <ne...@philipnet.com> wrote:
>
>
> There's a time and a place for announcements like that.
Technically, he hasnt announced it yet. HE only announced that he will
announce such today...
Ian K (N)
In article <68a168c54b.N...@rpc01.2a1p.de>,
> In message <4bc564f...@iank.org.uk>
> "Ian K (N)" <ne...@iank.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > In article <3E4EB58C...@btopenworld.com>,
> > Robin May <northc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> > > Adrian Warrick wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>,
> > > > Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Important Announcement
> > > >
> >
> > > Well Robin May will exclusively reveal tomorrow that the
> > > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2002.
> >
> > Are you sure your information is correct^^^^. :-)
> >
> > It seems an odd way to make such an announcement. Something like this,
> > if it is true, I would expect Microdigital to make sure they made it
> > themselves on there website, rather than it sliding out via a third
> > party. Other people have been stung before by making announcements
> > about the Omega that they believe have been accurate, only to be later
> > proven wrong. I've wondered if there is someone with a grudge against
> > Microdigital who has been spreading malicious rumours.
> First of all i think this "announcement" is a joke. And yes i smiled
> reading it.
I did wonder ;-)
> The reason some people may be a bit upset here now seems to be that they
> think it is quite possible that this announcement is not a joke but
> true. And i guess all the upset people have ordered an Omega. but after
> reading this they see themself waiting and waiting and waiting and ...
I'm not really concerned by the announcement, I was told something similar
in June. It doesn't fit with other things I am aware of ether.
My concern was with how seriously the announcers took this piece of
information.
> Hey guys! We've been waiting for some years now so i think we all know
> how to wait and try to get the time not too long... People just calm
> down. Since the start of the other computer there had been too much
> boiled blood now.
I've been waiting for my Omega to arrive since I ordered it the same month
it was announced. And I'm quite happy to carry on patently waiting!
Regards
Ian K
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Ian Molton
Robin May <northc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Well Robin May will exclusively reveal tomorrow that the Microdigital
> Omega will not ship in 2002.
Well... we're waiting...
Tarquin Mills
>>>> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Important Announcement
>>>>>
>>>>> Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
>>>>> he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
>>>>> Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Apologises to Cybervillage)
> reading it.
Tarquin Mills
>>>>> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Important Announcement
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
>>>>>> he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
>>>>>> Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
[snip]
> It's called April the first!
> And it's only a month and a half away.
had announced Omega would shipping in 2 weeks time.
Mr S C Winsor
> has been spreading malicious rumours.
More than likely.
There are people who seem to have a grudge against Castle so why should MD
be exempt?
Stuart
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Tarquin Mills <ac...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Philip Ludlam <ne...@philipnet.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Important Announcement
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> >>>>>> he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> >>>>>> Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> [snip]
> > There's a time and a place for announcements like that.
> > It's called April the first!
> > And it's only a month and a half away.
> It would be a April Fool if I announce that 3 weeks ago Microdigital
> had announced Omega would shipping in 2 weeks time.
Well maybe they'll ship on April 1st and make fools of us all :-)
Stuart.
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> [snip]
And it will still probably be relevant then ;-)
Cheers,
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Annraoi
An announcement of an announcement, I can't wait ;)
Regards
Annraoi
Paul Stewart
a...@globalcafe.ie (Annraoi) wrote:
perhaps also an pre-warning announcement of an announcetment to announce
an announcement
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Philip Ludlam
Paul Stewart <pa...@pstewart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <dab3e751.03021...@posting.google.com>
> a...@globalcafe.ie (Annraoi) wrote:
>
>> Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote in message
>> news:<20030216020950...@f2s.com>...
>> > On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 01:26:49 GMT
>> > Philip Ludlam <ne...@philipnet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > There's a time and a place for announcements like that.
>> >
>> > Technically, he hasnt announced it yet. HE only announced that he will
>> > announce such today...
>>
>>
>> An announcement of an announcement, I can't wait ;)
>>
>perhaps also an pre-warning announcement of an announcetment to announce
>an announcement
This is sounding like the Risc Station portable mailing list :-)
nico ter haar
Paul Stewart <pa...@pstewart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <dab3e751.03021...@posting.google.com>
> a...@globalcafe.ie (Annraoi) wrote:
>
> > Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote in message news:<20030216020950...@f2s.com>...
> > > On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 01:26:49 GMT
> > > Philip Ludlam <ne...@philipnet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There's a time and a place for announcements like that.
> > >
> > > Technically, he hasnt announced it yet. HE only announced that he will
> > > announce such today...
> >
> >
> > An announcement of an announcement, I can't wait ;)
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Annraoi
> perhaps also an pre-warning announcement of an announcetment to announce
> an announcement
>
Maybe we can start a smartgroup for the announcements, just like the
other delayed item has done.
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Paul Stewart
Philip Ludlam <ne...@philipnet.com> wrote:
But really, the MD do finally release the Omega, they should forworn
users of the announcment, just so everyone is sitting down.
Philip Ludlam
Paul Stewart <pa...@pstewart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <e10ec2c5...@philipnet.com>
> Philip Ludlam <ne...@philipnet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 16 Feb, in message <4162b4c...@pstewart.freeserve.co.uk>
>> Paul Stewart <pa...@pstewart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >In message <dab3e751.03021...@posting.google.com>
>> > a...@globalcafe.ie (Annraoi) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ian Molton <sp...@f2s.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:<20030216020950...@f2s.com>...
>> >> > On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 01:26:49 GMT
>> >> > Philip Ludlam <ne...@philipnet.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > There's a time and a place for announcements like that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Technically, he hasnt announced it yet. HE only announced that he will
>> >> > announce such today...
>> >>
>> >> An announcement of an announcement, I can't wait ;)
>> >>
>> >perhaps also an pre-warning announcement of an announcetment to announce
>> >an announcement
>>
>> This is sounding like the Risc Station portable mailing list :-)
>
>But really, the MD do finally release the Omega, they should forworn
>users of the announcment, just so everyone is sitting down.
Dunno about you but I do (generally) sit down when I am at the computer
:-).
James Scholes
I'd like to think this is the last post of the day on this topic, and it
hasn't happened. Maybe the announcement about the delay has been delayed?
James
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Paul Stewart <pa...@pstewart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> perhaps also an pre-warning announcement of an announcetment to announce
> an announcement
No, that's what RiscStation do.
:-(
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Ray Dawson
> > In article <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>,
> > Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> > > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> > Perhaps it has a new name;-)
> >
> I'd like to think this is the last post of the day on this topic, and
> it hasn't happened. Maybe the announcement about the delay has been
> delayed?
Maybe it's still being scrutinised by MD's solicitors?
Stuart Marshall
> Maybe we can start a smartgroup for the announcements, just like the
> other delayed item has done.
No... this matter deserves its own dedicated newsgroup.
How about comp.sys.acorn.delayed-machines
Regards,
Stuart.
Tim Powys-Lybbe
Stuart Marshall <stu...@spidersoft.co.uk> wrote:
I'll second that. Where do we start for convassing votes to add this
newsgroup? ( :-) )
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Alan Gibson
Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> Important Announcement
Hmmm...
> Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
He can tell them what he likes.
I speak to MicroDigital all the time and just for confirmation I spoke to
them again today.
The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
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> In article <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>,
Well given that Digital, sorry Compaq, sorry HP have announced they plan to
can what is arguably one of the finest microprocessors yet seen there is
space at the other end of the greek alphabet.
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Tarquin Mills
> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> > Important Announcement
> >
> > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> >
> Having talked to MD yesterday, I think he is going to have a
> very red face.
with the addition of an off the record briefing. If I am unable to
attend, then a special edition of RUNG News will go out that night. The
general public will be informed on this thread on the Friday night, so
that RUNG News subscribers get advanced knowledge what is happening the
RISC OS world.
I have checked with my source and they say that MD's public
statements are incorrect.
Stuart Marshall
> The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
So what is the truth?
Once again we have a thread doing more harm than good. The
machine is over 3 years late... is it out next week, next
year, or never?
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Stuart Marshall
> I have checked with my source and they say that MD's public
> statements are incorrect.
So what is the truth, and what is to gain by waiting until
Friday?
If this is a hoax, it's rather a cruel one, and certainly isn't
doing the platform any good at all. The machine *is* very late,
not even MD would deny that - but a further delay on nearly a
full year clearly isn't acceptable.
What's going on...
(cc'd to Micro Digital, hopefully David can respond).
nico ter haar
Alan Gibson <al...@liquid-silicon.com> wrote:
> In message <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>
> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Important Announcement
>
> Hmmm...
>
> > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
>
> He can tell them what he likes.
>
> I speak to MicroDigital all the time and just for confirmation I spoke to
> them again today.
>
> The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
>
Look now he is doing a PFJ :-)
Do notice the similarities with RiscStation - laptop - PFJ and this
thread !
druck
> In message <4bc5b01ebagrant...@ntlworld.com>
> Grant Randall- Spam trapped <grant.rand...@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>,
>> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
>>> Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
>> Perhaps it has a new name;-)
>
> Well given that Digital, sorry Compaq, sorry HP have announced they plan to
> can what is arguably one of the finest microprocessors yet seen there is
> space at the other end of the greek alphabet.
You mean Intel (that violated DEC's patents, was sued, counter sued, and by
the corruption that is the US justice system won, then destroyed DEC and got
given the remants of the fab business), and HP (that performed one of the
worst thought out mergers of all time (only beaten by $100 billion loosers
AOL/TimeWarner) with Compact just so they could kill their old rivals DEC,
which Compact bought after Intel killed it), have decoded to drop the Alpha,
one of the worlds finest microprocessors, in favour of their join development
of arguably the slowest and worst 64bit microprocessors ever developed, the
Itanium.
Only HP are using the Itanium in any numbers, other manufactors (that
normally queue up to buy any turd in bottle if its from Intel), aren't
touching it, and even Microsoft look like they might instead go for
AMD's 64bit x86 (no thats not a joke unfortunately, the abortion that is
the formerly 32/16/8/4 bit worlds worst and least efficent CISC ISA lives
on in a 4billion times more bloated bastardised form).
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Ian K (N)
In article <3E5145B5...@spidersoft.co.uk>,
> > I have checked with my source and they say that MD's public
> > statements are incorrect.
> So what is the truth, and what is to gain by waiting until
> Friday?
> If this is a hoax, it's rather a cruel one, and certainly isn't
> doing the platform any good at all. The machine *is* very late,
> not even MD would deny that - but a further delay on nearly a
> full year clearly isn't acceptable.
> What's going on...
> (cc'd to Micro Digital, hopefully David can respond).
Yes. We need an announcement from Microdigital to clear this up.
This seems very odd.
Regards
Ian K
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Michael Gilbert
<URL:mailto:al...@liquid-silicon.com> wrote:
> In message <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>
> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Important Announcement
>
> Hmmm...
>
> > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
>
> He can tell them what he likes.
>
> I speak to MicroDigital all the time and just for confirmation I spoke to
> them again today.
>
> The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
>
"reliably informed" of something by someone. MicroDigital have given you
different information. In the inaccurate statement stakes, MD are
leaders by a clear head, I would have thought.
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John Cartmell
<mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> How can you possibly know? Tarquin Mills states that he has been
> "reliably informed" of something by someone. MicroDigital have given you
> different information. In the inaccurate statement stakes, MD are
> leaders by a clear head, I would have thought.
Leaders over Tarquin Mills? Does he have some sort of form iro releasing MD
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Michael Gilbert
<URL:mailto:jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant17195...@riscpc.local>, Michael Gilbert
> <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> > How can you possibly know? Tarquin Mills states that he has been
> > "reliably informed" of something by someone. MicroDigital have given you
> > different information. In the inaccurate statement stakes, MD are
> > leaders by a clear head, I would have thought.
>
> Leaders over Tarquin Mills? Does he have some sort of form iro releasing MD
> information?
>
reality, whereas he has possibly just released one. Although I have no
idea whatsoever about the veracity or otherwise of his statement.
Also, assuming that RUNG is the Norfolk User Group, as per riscos.org
and the AAUG site, why are the links on neither live? And who is Tarquin
Mills? I'm sure he's probably a real person, but it does sound like
somewhere another part of the Piltdown man fossil was found.
Alan Gibson
Stuart Marshall <stu...@spidersoft.co.uk> wrote:
> Alan Gibson wrote:
>
> > The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
>
> So what is the truth?
When you ask David, he'll tell you there will be an exciting announcement
very soon and they'll make that announcement it when it's ready to be
announced.
> Once again we have a thread doing more harm than good.
Which is why I said something. I normally don't get involved in threads like
these but that 'announcement' was so stronly worded I had to say something.
I was going to make an analogy to winning first prize in the caber
competition of a highland games, but that would probably go over most
people's heads...
Alan Gibson
nico ter haar <ni...@neptune.demon.nl> wrote:
> In message <bb7e48c...@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk>
> Alan Gibson <al...@liquid-silicon.com> wrote:
>
> > In message <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>
> > Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Important Announcement
> >
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> > > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> > > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> >
> > He can tell them what he likes.
> >
> > I speak to MicroDigital all the time and just for confirmation I spoke to
> > them again today.
> >
> > The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
> >
> Look now he is doing a PFJ :-)
>
> Do notice the similarities with RiscStation - laptop - PFJ and this
> thread !
Oh no! It does look a bit like that, eh! Apologies all round ;-)
Alan Gibson
Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <bb7e48c...@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Gibson
> <URL:mailto:al...@liquid-silicon.com> wrote:
> > In message <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>
> > Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Important Announcement
> >
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> > > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> > > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> >
> > He can tell them what he likes.
> >
> > I speak to MicroDigital all the time and just for confirmation I spoke to
> > them again today.
> >
> > The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
> >
> How can you possibly know?
Because I asked them.
> Tarquin Mills states that he has been "reliably informed" of something by
> someone. MicroDigital have given you different information.
What did they tell you when you phoned them up?
And how could Tarquin be 'reliably informed' by someone 'in the know', when
all the people 'in the know' have not even heard of him?
Mr S C Winsor
Don't know but I've a feeling I've seen the name before. Perhaps Google
might reveal something.
Either way if he's telling the truth then I think the Omega is dead
because no-one is going to belive anything MD say in future and a lot of
very angry impatient people will just go out and buy an Iyonix. Or leave
the RO scene altogether
On the other hand if he's wrong MD will sue him for deformation of
character, lible, slander, damaging their business interests or whatever
they think they can screw him for - and quite rightly!
Stuart
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[snip]
> On the other hand if he's wrong MD will sue him for deformation of
> character, lible, slander, damaging their business interests or whatever
> they think they can screw him for - and quite rightly!
John Cartmell
[Snip]
>And who is Tarquin Mills? I'm sure he's probably a real person, but it
> does sound like somewhere another part of the Piltdown man fossil was
> found.
So if we only *think* that the person who is making preposterous claims
*may* be a real person (but we don't know who) why aren't we just ignoring
him?
I do think the response says more about the people making the response than
about MD or even the, now legendary, TM.
You'll probably find that the professional commentators are waiting for
real news about all new RISC OS hardware. Don't fill the gap with just
anything that happens to turn up (fortuitously?) out of the blue.
Elaine Jones
posted on 17 Feb 2003 by Alan Gibson
I would like to add:
> In message <3e5144fc$0$816$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>
> Stuart Marshall <stu...@spidersoft.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Alan Gibson wrote:
> >
> > > The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
> >
> > So what is the truth?
>
> When you ask David, he'll tell you there will be an exciting announcement
> very soon and they'll make that announcement it when it's ready to be
> announced.
>
> > Once again we have a thread doing more harm than good.
>
> Which is why I said something. I normally don't get involved in threads like
> these but that 'announcement' was so stronly worded I had to say something.
>
> I was going to make an analogy to winning first prize in the caber
> competition of a highland games, but that would probably go over most
> people's heads...
Hmm, - if that's anything like the prize money allocation for the
Kiplingcotes Derby then we could have a very interesting situation.
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> You'll probably find that the professional commentators are waiting for
> real news about all new RISC OS hardware. Don't fill the gap with just
> anything that happens to turn up (fortuitously?) out of the blue.
I'll think you'll find the professional commentators received news of new
RISC OS hardware last November, and bought a machine that exists.
Ray Dawson
Mr S C Winsor <stuart...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant17230...@riscpc.local>,
> Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> > And who is Tarquin
> > Mills?
> Don't know but I've a feeling I've seen the name before. Perhaps Google
> might reveal something.
Well, he could be a candidate for the UK Independence Party in Norwich
(according to the Guardian) and married to Diana.
Or, according to his web site, "In an episode of Dr Who the cybermen say
they met him before on planet 14"
A letter to the BBC ... "Please could the BBC produce a serious computer
program, ... "
Hmm. Interesting web site. Not.
John Cartmell
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 18 Feb 2003 John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > You'll probably find that the professional commentators are waiting for
> > real news about all new RISC OS hardware. Don't fill the gap with just
> > anything that happens to turn up (fortuitously?) out of the blue.
> I'll think you'll find the professional commentators received news of new
> RISC OS hardware last November
[Snip]
which is why they'll be talking about the IYONIX pc and not anything else.
druck
> In article <e6f376c6...@druck.freeuk.net>,
> druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On 18 Feb 2003 John Cartmell <jo...@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> You'll probably find that the professional commentators are waiting for
>>> real news about all new RISC OS hardware. Don't fill the gap with just
>>> anything that happens to turn up (fortuitously?) out of the blue.
>
>> I'll think you'll find the professional commentators received news of new
>> RISC OS hardware last November
>
> [Snip]
>
> which is why they'll be talking about the IYONIX pc and not anything else.
That was my point :-)
Adrian Warrick
Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> Adrian Warrick <awar...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> > > Important Announcement
> > >
> > > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> > > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> > > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> > >
> > > (Apologises to Cybervillage and PB)
> > Having talked to MD yesterday, I think he is going to have a
> > very red face.
> The announcement will be made at RUNG's February meeting on the 20th,
> with the addition of an off the record briefing. If I am unable to
> attend, then a special edition of RUNG News will go out that night. The
> general public will be informed on this thread on the Friday night, so
> that RUNG News subscribers get advanced knowledge what is happening the
> RISC OS world.
> I have checked with my source and they say that MD's public
> statements are incorrect.
There are two possible scenarios as I see it.
A)
David Atkin's comments to me suggest that the Omega is, to all intents and
purposes, ready. He is waiting for another party (company or whatever) to
sign a contract that is in his words 'good for the whole of the RiscOS
community' (paraphrased), before releasing the machine. Under these
circumstances he would not respond to this thread as this may breach a
non-disclosure agreement.
If Tarquin is correct then shades of the scam that hit Photodesk/Chris Hornby
arise. For those who don't remember, the situation as far as I understood it
- A large order was placed by a far eastern 'company' who then absconded
without paying putting Photodesk into a state of near or actual insolvency.
Should this apply to Microdigital, then Tarquin has a moral obligation to
tell David Atkins for he might know the perpetrator.
B)
If Tarquin is correct and Microdigital is misleading those who have placed an
order or even worse a deposit then it is a very serious matter.
Either way Tarquin ought to be very sure of his facts because he is now open
to possible action under the law.
Adrian
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Michael Gilbert
<URL:mailto:al...@liquid-silicon.com> wrote:
> In message <ant17195...@riscpc.local>
> Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <bb7e48c...@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Gibson
> > <URL:mailto:al...@liquid-silicon.com> wrote:
> > > In message <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>
> > > Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Important Announcement
> > >
> > > Hmmm...
> > >
> > > > Tarquin Mills is to tell his RUNG News e-magazine subscribers that
> > > > he has been reliably informed (he would not say who) that the
> > > > Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> > >
> > > He can tell them what he likes.
> > >
> > > I speak to MicroDigital all the time and just for confirmation I spoke to
> > > them again today.
> > >
> > > The above 'statement' is completely untrue.
> > >
> > How can you possibly know?
>
> Because I asked them.
Right. So they've got a product, then.
>
> > Tarquin Mills states that he has been "reliably informed" of something by
> > someone. MicroDigital have given you different information.
>
> What did they tell you when you phoned them up?
As far as it goes, I expect MD to phone me. Who's the customer in this
relationship? If I get an order, or if a customer wants a demo, then I
might call. Until firm information is available from MD, though, why
should I make any effort at all?
>
> And how could Tarquin be 'reliably informed' by someone 'in the know', when
> all the people 'in the know' have not even heard of him?
So you spoke to everyone involved in the production of the machine.
fine.
Paul Beverley
Ray Dawson <R...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4bc665a241s...@argonet.co.uk>,
> Mr S C Winsor <stuart...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <ant17230...@riscpc.local>,
> > Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> > > And who is Tarquin
> > > Mills?
>
> > Don't know but I've a feeling I've seen the name before. Perhaps Google
> > might reveal something.
>
> Well, he could be a candidate for the UK Independence Party in Norwich
> (according to the Guardian) and married to Diana.
Nah! Diana's his Mum. :-)
All the best,
Paul.
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Chris Hughes
I have spoken to David Atkins today 12:45 Tuesday 18th February 2003,
basically whoever this Tarquin Mills is he is talking out of his arse.
There is an announcement due shortly subject to a contract as several others
have already said in this thread so I won't repeat that.
Just so we can end this rubbish, PRODUCTION machines will be at the next
Wakefield Club meeting in two weeks time (Weds 5th March), they will share
the meeting with our scheduled guest visitr Dave Holden, the machines will be
setup for people to try out i.e hands on. I will be doing a proper
announcement about this next week, on csa.announce.
Note I did not ask for them, they were offered.
Before anyone asks, AFAIK they will not have the Xscale daughter board in
them and not have the 32 bit OS in either (might be connected with the
announcement I don't know).
Also before anyone asks I don't know if this means the machinces will be
shipping by then, thats upto MD not me. The offers simply been made for us to
see and try the final production Omega computers.
So Tarquin Mills I do hope your source will now do some checking of facts.....
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>
> In message <4bc69f...@raydawson.com>
> Ray Dawson <R...@magray.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <4bc665a241s...@argonet.co.uk>,
> > Mr S C Winsor <stuart...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > In article <ant17230...@riscpc.local>,
> > > Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > And who is Tarquin
> > > > Mills?
> >
> > > Don't know but I've a feeling I've seen the name before. Perhaps Google
> > > might reveal something.
> >
> > Well, he could be a candidate for the UK Independence Party in Norwich
> > (according to the Guardian) and married to Diana.
>
> Nah! Diana's his Mum. :-)
Hang on a minute, isn't there a Tarquin Mills who is somehow related to
Hailey Mills, of "Polyanna" fame?
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enforceable, either in criminal or civil law. As far as point B) goes,
that'd be MD's problem, not Tarquin's.
As far as mysterious foreign buyers of large amounts of RISC OS hardware
go, I've been told about these on several occasions by potential
manufacturers of hardware. Always, their deal depended on NDA, and
always the arse fell off it. And, I must say, they always seemed
genuinely to have been stiffed by the potential customer.
I think your recollection of Photodesk's problem is wrong:
Google is your friend.
Matthew Hambley
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 16 Feb 2003 Matthew Hambley <mat...@aether.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message <4bc5b01ebagrant...@ntlworld.com>
> > Grant Randall- Spam trapped
> > <grant.rand...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <361f53c54...@boyznow.net>,
> >> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Microdigital Omega will not ship in 2003.
> >> Perhaps it has a new name;-)
> >
> > Well given that Digital, sorry Compaq, sorry HP have announced they
> > plan to can what is arguably one of the finest microprocessors yet seen
> > there is space at the other end of the greek alphabet.
>
> You mean Intel (that violated DEC's patents, was sued, counter sued, and
> by the corruption that is the US justice system won, then destroyed DEC
> and got given the remants of the fab business), and HP (that performed
> one of the worst thought out mergers of all time (only beaten by $100
> billion loosers AOL/TimeWarner) with Compact just so they could kill
> their old rivals DEC, which Compact bought after Intel killed it), have
> decoded to drop the Alpha, one of the worlds finest microprocessors, in
> favour of their join development of arguably the slowest and worst 64bit
> microprocessors ever developed, the Itanium.
OK, you win. Yours is much more baroque than mine.
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Alan Gibson
Michael Gilbert <mgil...@eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <b78767c...@agse00.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Gibson
> <URL:mailto:al...@liquid-silicon.com> wrote:
> > Because I asked them.
>
> Right. So they've got a product, then.
People have seen and played with them.
> > > Tarquin Mills states that he has been "reliably informed" of something
> > > by someone. MicroDigital have given you different information.
> >
> > What did they tell you when you phoned them up?
>
> As far as it goes, I expect MD to phone me. Who's the customer in this
> relationship?
If you've ordered some, then you're a customer. They're a bit busy just now
to phone people personally (not ideal, I know) but if you want to know
they're only a call away.
> If I get an order, or if a customer wants a demo, then I might call. Until
> firm information is available from MD, though, why should I make any effort
> at all?
So you can give the potential customer the proper info, rather than newsgroup
gossip?
> > And how could Tarquin be 'reliably informed' by someone 'in the know',
> > when all the people 'in the know' have not even heard of him?
>
> So you spoke to everyone involved in the production of the machine.
> fine.
I spoke to the boss and her husband. I couldn't understand what the cat was
saying...
Tarquin Mills
> Nah, but they've released several statements that diverge from immediate
> reality, whereas he has possibly just released one. Although I have no
> idea whatsoever about the veracity or otherwise of his statement.
before it was announced. Members of RUNG will remember me mentioning
code name tungsten a debriefing last year.
> Also, assuming that RUNG is the Norfolk User Group, as per riscos.org
> and the AAUG site, why are the links on neither live?
replaced by new website. This is being design by John Billings and
will be at www.rung.org.uk.
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Tarquin Mills
> character, lible, slander, damaging their business interests or
> whatever they think they can screw him for - and quite rightly!
just remember Robert Maxwell. Only when he had died where people
brave enough to tell world what he was doing.
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Tarquin Mills
> And how could Tarquin be 'reliably informed' by someone
> 'in the know', when all the people 'in the know' have not
> even heard of him?
me. One of few people well know people to have commented is
Paul Beverley and he knows me as can be seen from his
comments.
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Tarquin Mills
> Tarquin Mills wrote:
> > I have checked with my source and they say that MD's public
> > statements are incorrect.
> Friday?
To help you while away the wait I have produced another Omega
countdown clock at
http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/omega.htm
[snip]
> What's going on...
>
> (cc'd to Micro Digital, hopefully David can respond).
I am waiting with interest.
Tarquin Mills
the CSA groups, the real damage is being done by all the
computers announced by RISC OS companies that turn out
to be vapourware.
VinceH (use reply-to)
Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> Stuart Marshall <stu...@spidersoft.co.uk> wrote:
> > Tarquin Mills wrote:
> > > I have checked with my source and they say that MD's
> > > public statements are incorrect.
> > So what is the truth, and what is to gain by waiting until
> > Friday?
> To help you while away the wait I have produced another Omega
> countdown clock at
> http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/omega.htm
I notice the text on that page says something slightly
different to what you originally said.
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Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> Mr S C Winsor <stuart...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > On the other hand if he's wrong MD will sue him for deformation of
> > character, lible, slander, damaging their business interests or
> > whatever they think they can screw him for - and quite rightly!
> It is this kind of bullying that keeps the truth from coming out,
> just remember Robert Maxwell. Only when he had died where people
> brave enough to tell world what he was doing.
You only need to be afraid of the consequences if you are in the wrong and
probably only you and/or your source know that. Well, and David Atkins of
course.
Time will eventually reveal all.
Stuart.
Chris Hughes
James Sargent
> Just so we can end this rubbish, PRODUCTION machines will be at the
> next Wakefield Club meeting in two weeks time (Weds 5th March),
<cynic>
I can just imagine in a week's time, the message going out "we
apologise, but the next Wakefield Club meeting has been delayed until
2004 ..." :)
</cynic>
James
Stuart Marshall
> I notice the text on that page says something slightly
> different to what you originally said.
You noticed that too...
:-)
Regards,
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John Ferguson
"VinceH (use reply-to)" <spa...@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <2050e9c64...@boyznow.net>,
> Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> > Stuart Marshall <stu...@spidersoft.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Tarquin Mills wrote:
>
> > > > I have checked with my source and they say that MD's
> > > > public statements are incorrect.
> > > So what is the truth, and what is to gain by waiting until
> > > Friday?
>
> > To help you while away the wait I have produced another Omega
> > countdown clock at
> > http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/omega.htm
>
> I notice the text on that page says something slightly
> different to what you originally said.
Yes, I noticed that too:
"The full Microdigital Omega will not appear in 2003 (full includes
Xscale, working sound etc)."
John
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Sendu Bala
But that's all that matters, right? Who would buy an Omega if it's
hardly any improvement on an SA RPC? Until they release such a 'full'
Omega, they may as well not release it at all.
They could have gotten away with it before Iyonix, but not now. That
said, I hope there /will/ be a 'full' release in 2003, and the sooner
the better.
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> Who would buy an Omega if it's hardly any improvement on an SA RPC? Until
> they release such a 'full' Omega, they may as well not release it at all.
That depends very much on how fast the Omega is! The reported speed of the
basic Omega still makes it a very worthwhile computer, especially for those
who use software that is still not 32-bit and might not become so - most
importantly, bitmap packages such as Photodesk. For such tasks, the Omega is
likely to stomp all over Iyonix, even once Aemulor is released.
Of course, once 32-bit graphics apps do appear, that will change - but
(while we're dreaming) the Omega X-Scale will also affect things rather.
It's still interesting, and I'm very much looking forward to finally being
able to see two RISC OS computers that I could consider buying. Currently,
there are none, because I couldn't even begin to justify an Iyonix until
Aemulor is released, so that I could run Photodesk and Datapower2 (OK, DP2
is being 32-bitted but that will probably take a little while, and it's not
here *now*).
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Sendu Bala <se...@sendu.co.uk> wrote:
> Who would buy an Omega if it's hardly any improvement on an SA RPC?
> Until they release such a 'full' Omega, they may as well not release it
> at all.
1. The wind-up merchant is not known to have any credibility.
2. We don't know how the 'not-full' Omega will perform.
If an Omega appears that run 26 only software at a speed between a RiscPC
and an IYONIX and Aemulor only runs at RiscPC speed and critical software
isn't converted then what do you do?
Note all the buts and ifs implicit in the above:
the Omega hasn't been released - we don't know the speeds;
the IYONIX may have additional speed in later versions;
we don't know the speed of software with Aemulor;
we don't know which software won't get converted.
And the report you're basing your comments on is written by someone who
probably doesn't exist and / or doesn't have any apparent reason to have
the inside knowledge that he's peddling.
In short. Wait until there are less variables. Of course if you must have a
machine now then buy an IYONIX pc.
Sandy Morton
John Pettigrew <nos...@headstrong-games.co.uk> wrote:
> That depends very much on how fast the Omega is!
The Omega which I saw at Livingston was very fast. DA has told me that it
is now very much faster. I think that I want one.
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John Ferguson <jo...@fergusn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I suppose this will also mean that a full spec Mico will not be available
Not only is it gone from their site,there are no drivers for USB,network
card etc.
Will these appear before it becomes a museum piece?
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Geoff Lavallin <glav...@g.lavallin.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Will these appear before it becomes a museum piece?
Its already a museum piece.
Sandy Morton
Geoff Lavallin <glav...@g.lavallin.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I suppose this will also mean that a full spec Mico will not be available
> Not only is it gone from their site,there are no drivers for USB,network
> card etc.
> Will these appear before it becomes a museum piece?
To the best of my knowledge an upgrade from the Mico to the Omega will be
made available - don't know the price.
VinceH (use reply-to)
> > In article <4bc6ed6d...@softrock.co.uk>
> > "VinceH (use reply-to)" <spa...@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/omega.htm
> > > I notice the text on that page says something slightly
> > > different to what you originally said.
> > Yes, I noticed that too:
> > "The full Microdigital Omega will not appear in 2003 (full
> > includes Xscale, working sound etc)."
> But that's all that matters, right?
Maybe, maybe not - either way, my point wasn't what it
will or won't come with, it was that Tarquin has
effectively lessened the scope of what he said by a
not insignificant amount.
> Who would buy an Omega if it's hardly any improvement on an SA
> RPC?
It's supposedly significantly faster than a StrongARM
RPC - and given that in its non-XScale form, it'll be
running a 26bit OS and therefore able to run 26bit
software, it /might/ be a better bet for some people
than an Iyonix.
All of which does remain to be seen, of course. All
bets are off until the machine *is* released.
> Until they release such a 'full' Omega, they may as well
> not release it at all.
Well, I would certainly say that about certain
aspects - Tarquin's 'reduced' announcement mentions
the sound, for example. This is something I would
say *has* to be done - especially given that (IIRC)
there was some group or other working on a game at
MD's request specifically for the machine.
> They could have gotten away with it before Iyonix, but not
> now. That said, I hope there /will/ be a 'full' release in
> 2003, and the sooner the better.
Indeed.
Adrian Warrick
> That depends very much on how fast the Omega is! The reported speed of the
> basic Omega still makes it a very worthwhile computer, especially for those
> who use software that is still not 32-bit and might not become so - most
> importantly, bitmap packages such as Photodesk. For such tasks, the Omega is
> likely to stomp all over Iyonix, even once Aemulor is released.
As I understand it from someone else in the know, the Omega without the
second processor will be faster, under most circumstances, than the Iyonix.
It will be interesting to see the speed with a 1GHz X-scale or later generation Arm.
Adrian
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druck
> In a previous message, Sendu Bala wrote:
>> Who would buy an Omega if it's hardly any improvement on an SA RPC? Until
>> they release such a 'full' Omega, they may as well not release it at all.
>
> That depends very much on how fast the Omega is! The reported speed of the
> basic Omega still makes it a very worthwhile computer, especially for those
> who use software that is still not 32-bit and might not become so - most
> importantly, bitmap packages such as Photodesk. For such tasks, the Omega
> is likely to stomp all over Iyonix, even once Aemulor is released.
I would not base a purchase descision on individual items of software which
are currently unavailable, given the rate programs are being converted. The
advantages of running on an XScale machine will be considerable for this type
of software.
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druck
> In article <27dd32c...@xl-cambridge.com>,
> John Pettigrew <nos...@headstrong-games.co.uk> wrote:
>> That depends very much on how fast the Omega is! The reported speed of the
>> basic Omega still makes it a very worthwhile computer, especially for
>> those who use software that is still not 32-bit and might not become so -
>> most importantly, bitmap packages such as Photodesk. For such tasks, the
>> Omega is likely to stomp all over Iyonix, even once Aemulor is released.
>
> As I understand it from someone else in the know, the Omega without the
> second processor will be faster, under most circumstances, than the Iyonix.
Understand from who? No one has had chance to test an Omega in order to make
any such entirely unfeasible claims. A 233MHz StrongARM based machine is
always going to be slower than a 600MHz XScale based one.
> It will be interesting to see the speed with a 1GHz X-scale or later
> generation Arm.
It will be interesting to see if even a base level Strong ARM machine ever
appears.
Chris Hughes
druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 19 Feb 2003 Adrian Warrick <awar...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <27dd32c...@xl-cambridge.com>,
> > John Pettigrew <nos...@headstrong-games.co.uk> wrote:
> >> That depends very much on how fast the Omega is! The reported speed of the
> >> basic Omega still makes it a very worthwhile computer, especially for
> >> those who use software that is still not 32-bit and might not become so -
> >> most importantly, bitmap packages such as Photodesk. For such tasks, the
> >> Omega is likely to stomp all over Iyonix, even once Aemulor is released.
> >
> > As I understand it from someone else in the know, the Omega without the
> > second processor will be faster, under most circumstances, than the Iyonix.
>
> Understand from who? No one has had chance to test an Omega in order to make
> any such entirely unfeasible claims. A 233MHz StrongARM based machine is
> always going to be slower than a 600MHz XScale based one.
>
> > It will be interesting to see the speed with a 1GHz X-scale or later
> > generation Arm.
>
> It will be interesting to see if even a base level Strong ARM machine ever
> appears.
It already has appeared and been seen Druck. Come to Wakefield and see it
for yourself in two weeks.
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Chris Hughes
James Sargent <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Since its our normal meeting and we have Dave Holden scheduled to come
anyway. Whats your point.
OH I see knock the market again.
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Tarquin Mills
> Before anyone asks, AFAIK they will not have the Xscale daughter
> board in them and not have the 32 bit OS in either (might be
> connected with the announcement I don't know).
seems MD are reducing what they publicly claimed would be ready.
> Also before anyone asks I don't know if this means the machinces
> will be shipping by then, thats upto MD not me. The offers simply
> been made for us to see and try the final production Omega computers.
production date.
> So Tarquin Mills I do hope your source will now do some
> checking of facts.....
> I strongly suggest you make a public apology, you are wrong! PRODUCTION
Do not shout ^^^^^^^^^^
> Omegas will be at the Wakefield Club meeting on March 5th 2003.
> Whoever your source is and yourself had better have good lawyers because
> putting out false and unsupported statements of this kind is libilous at
> best.
More threats, is this why RISC OS magazines keep printing false dates.
> Don't dig yourself a bigger hole and also note since you claim to be
> representing RUNG, they could also face the legal matters.
I represent RUNG News not RUNG the two things are not the same.
Steven Pampling
That would be a dented and bent character then? :-)
Or was it defamation?
Steven Pampling
Chris Hughes <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> OH I see knock the market again.
"The" market?
Last I looked Dave was using an Iyonix and not knocking it.
Or were you referring to another potential part of the overall RO market?
James Sargent
> Since its our normal meeting and we have Dave Holden scheduled to come
> anyway. Whats your point.
>
> OH I see knock the market again.
It was a, possibly feeble, attempt at humour - nothing more.
Unfortunately, in a text-based environment, these things don't always
come across as clearly as they should :/
James
James Sargent
> Chris Hughes wrote:
>
>> Since its our normal meeting and we have Dave Holden scheduled to
>> come anyway. Whats your point.
>>
>> OH I see knock the market again.
Actually, as I think about it, as one of those "few" who's still out
there supporting the "market" and still buying hardware and software for
a machine 5 years past the point it should have been buried and
replaced, I think I rather resent your comment.
I'm not the one who's consistently promised a "new machine next month /
soon" and then failed to deliver.
I'm not the one who's slagged off the competition and damaged the
remaining market by helping to cause it to stagnate while people wait
years for a new machine.
In fact, I strongly resent the imputations in your comment about
"knocking the market". Do you really consider my parodying the continued
year on year on year delays of that computer is really going to make any
difference whatsoever to "the market"? Well? Is "the market" so fragile
that it can't take a joke? Have we really come to that pathetic situation?
I've been a loyal supporter of "the market". Thank you very much.
Sometimes, though, I do wonder why.
Very bloody annoyed,
James
Chris Hughes
Tarquin Mills <ac...@nojunkmail.com> wrote:
> Chris Hughes <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Before anyone asks, AFAIK they will not have the Xscale daughter
> > board in them and not have the 32 bit OS in either (might be
> > connected with the announcement I don't know).
> I thought you said these were production/finished computers. It
> seems MD are reducing what they publicly claimed would be ready.
So you are now changing your story are you! The standard Omega does not come
supplied with an Xscale daughter board and never has! Check your facts
before making silly statement again.
> > Also before anyone asks I don't know if this means the machinces
> > will be shipping by then, thats upto MD not me. The offers simply
> > been made for us to see and try the final production Omega computers.
> MD were at Wakefield Club last year as well. Again no realistic
> production date.
I know whats happening, but you obviously don't. But then your informed
source will have told you all thats happening at the moment.
> > So Tarquin Mills I do hope your source will now do some
> > checking of facts.....
>
> > I strongly suggest you make a public apology, you are wrong! PRODUCTION
> Do not shout ^^^^^^^^^^
Not shouting emphaising that its not the prototype etc.
> > Omegas will be at the Wakefield Club meeting on March 5th 2003.
>
> > Whoever your source is and yourself had better have good lawyers because
> > putting out false and unsupported statements of this kind is libilous at
> > best.
> More threats, is this why RISC OS magazines keep printing false dates.
Whats this to do with Magazines? You as a representative of RUNG or RUNG
News (same thing in reality) have made what amounts to libelous statements,
which you currently can't back up.
> > Don't dig yourself a bigger hole and also note since you claim to be
> > representing RUNG, they could also face the legal matters.
> I represent RUNG News not RUNG the two things are not the same.
They are the same, is RUNG News for RUNG members, or issued by RUNG.
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Mr S C Winsor
> Or was it defamation?
Never could spell - esp at that time of night
Stuart
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> I know whats happening, but you obviously don't.
Do you approve of whats happening and what has happened Chris?
I'm not at all sure that I do.
John Cartmell
<a...@sandymillport.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <f88341c74b%glav...@glavallin.newscache.cablentlworld.com>,
> Geoff Lavallin <glav...@g.lavallin.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > I suppose this will also mean that a full spec Mico will not be
> > available Not only is it gone from their site,there are no drivers for
> > USB,network card etc. Will these appear before it becomes a museum
> > piece?
> To the best of my knowledge an upgrade from the Mico to the Omega will
> be made available - don't know the price.
AFAICR it was the price difference between the two machines (but that *was*
an 'off the cuff' offer so needs to be checked).
druck
I think the people who paid for the machine over 2.5 years ago, want more
than just see it demonstrated at yet another show.
Duncan MacCallum
Rob Davison <rdav...@xxttrraa.ccoo.nnzz> wrote:
> Chris Hughes wrote:
>
> > I know whats happening, but you obviously don't.
>
> Do you approve of whats happening and what has happened Chris?
Pray tell what has happened
>
> I'm not at all sure that I do.
>
Love to be able to have an opinion
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John Pettigrew
> I thought you said these were production/finished computers. It
> seems MD are reducing what they publicly claimed would be ready.
<sigh>
Surely there is a difference between the production computer and the
upgrades that have been promised for it? The XScale card was always
advertised as being a separate product, so any delay in its production
doesn't make the Omega itself any less a production machine - although it
will obviously make a difference to the machine's performance when/if it
appears. And that will affect people's opinion of the machine - but the
XScale is an upgrade, not part of the production Omega.
John
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James Sargent <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Ok not a problem, just getting tired of people going round like Tarquin with
so called 'facts', trolling. :-(
The whole RISCOS scene is starting to depress me......
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druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 19 Feb 2003 Chris Hughes <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In message <554f53c7...@druck.freeuk.net>
> > druck <ne...@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It will be interesting to see if even a base level Strong ARM machine ever
> >> appears.
> >
> > It already has appeared and been seen Druck. Come to Wakefield and see it
> > for yourself in two weeks.
>
> I think the people who paid for the machine over 2.5 years ago, want more
> than just see it demonstrated at yet another show.
Learn to read the postings Druck, rather then what you want to think you have
read, its at our normal club meeting, not the show in two weeks time.
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Chris Hughes
Rob Davison <rdav...@xxttrraa.ccoo.nnzz> wrote:
> Chris Hughes wrote:
>
> > I know whats happening, but you obviously don't.
>
> Do you approve of whats happening and what has happened Chris?
Depends on which bits of the market, but Yes and No!! Some things are good
and somethings are very bad.
I am slowly losing interest in the RISCOS market there has over the past 1
year been a steady increase in the backstabbing, and lets have ago at
Castle, MicroDigital, RiscStation, Cerilica, etc..
>
> I'm not at all sure that I do.
Understandable.
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Chris Hughes
James Sargent <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> James Sargent wrote:
> > Chris Hughes wrote:
> >
> >> Since its our normal meeting and we have Dave Holden scheduled to
> >> come anyway. Whats your point.
> >>
> >> OH I see knock the market again.
>
> Actually, as I think about it, as one of those "few" who's still out
> there supporting the "market" and still buying hardware and software for
> a machine 5 years past the point it should have been buried and
> replaced, I think I rather resent your comment.
[snipped]
Replied privately to James on this.
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John Pettigrew
> I am slowly losing interest in the RISCOS market there has over the past 1
> year been a steady increase in the backstabbing, and lets have ago at
> Castle, MicroDigital, RiscStation, Cerilica, etc..
TBH, I'm not too surprised. Until a very few years ago, the market was
monolithic, with almost all machines being produced by Acorn. Now, all of a
sudden, we have a range of different machines with different architectures.
Now, we have companies who used to compete with the same hardware competing
instead with different hardware - very different. They have got to learn how
to compete without alienating their cusomers, and this is proving hard for
some to learn. And this isn't too surprising, in such a small market where
most people have been used to a fairly informal atmosphere - unfortunately,
this now lends itself to rash and silly arguments.
Finding our way through to a new maturity will be tricky, but with effort
I'm sure we can do it!
John
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James Sargent
> Replied privately to James on this.
And I'm happy to say, we didn't come to punches.
Chris Hughes is definitely a good chap!
James
Ian Molton
Chris Hughes <ch...@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > It already has appeared and been seen Druck. Come to Wakefield and
> > > see it for yourself in two weeks.
> >
> > I think the people who paid for the machine over 2.5 years ago, want
> > more than just see it demonstrated at yet another show.
>
> Learn to read the postings Druck, rather then what you want to think
> you have read, its at our normal club meeting, not the show in two
> weeks time.
I think drucks point still stands, regardless...