Medical Marijuana - The Facts
Richard Lake
From:
http://www.csdp.org/factbook/
1.Doctors are presently permitted to prescribe cocaine and morphine--but not
marijuana.
Source: The Controlled Substances Act of 1970, 21 U.S.C. §§ 801 et seq.
2.Organizations that have endorsed medical access to marijuana include: the
American Academy of Family Physicians; American Bar Association; American
Public Health Association; American Society of Addiction Medicine; AIDS
Action Council; British Medical Association; California Academy of Family
Physicians; California Legislative Council for Older Americans; California
Medical Association; California Nurses Association; California Pharmacists
Association; California Society of Addiction Medicine; California-Pacific
Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church; Colorado Nurses
Association; Consumer Reports Magazine; Kaiser Permanente; Lymphoma
Foundation of America; Multiple Sclerosis California Action Network;
National Association of Attorneys General; National Association of People
with AIDS; National Nurses Society on Addictions; New Mexico Nurses
Association; New York State Nurses Association; New England Journal of
Medicine; and Virginia Nurses Association. A few of the editorial boards
that have endorsed medical access to marijuana include: Boston Globe;
Chicago Tribune; Miami Herald; New York Times; Orange County Register; and
USA Today.
3.Many organizations have favorable positions (e.g., unimpeded research) on
medical marijuana. These groups include: The American Cancer Society;
American Medical Association; Australian Commonwealth Department of Human
Services and Health; California Medical Association; Federation of American
Scientists; Florida Medical Association; and the National Academy of
Sciences.
4.The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 established five categories, or
"schedules," into which all illicit and prescription drugs were placed.
Marijuana was placed in Schedule I, which defines the substance as having a
high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use in the United
States, and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. To
contrast, over 90 published reports and studies have shown marijuana has
medical efficacy.
Sources: The Controlled Substances Act of 1970, 21 U.S.C. §§ 801 et seq.;
Common Sense for Drug Policy, Compendium of Reports, Research and Articles
Demonstrating the Effectiveness of Medical Marijuana, Vol. I & Vol. II,
Falls Church, VA: Common Sense for Drug Policy (1997, March).
5.The U.S. Penal Code states that any person can be imprisoned for up to one
year for possession of one marijuana cigarette and imprisoned for up to five
years for growing a single marijuana plant.
Source: The Controlled Substances Act of 1970, 21 U.S.C. §§ 801 et seq.
6.On September 6, 1988, the Drug Enforcement Administration's Chief
Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young, ruled:
"Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active
substances known. ...[T]he provisions of the [Controlled Substances] Act
permit and require the transfer of marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule II.
It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue
to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance."
Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Agency, "In the Matter
of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition," [Docket #86-22] (1988, September 6), p.
57.
7.The DEA's Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young concluded: "In strict
medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume.
For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By
comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce
death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically
active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis
marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care."
Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Agency, "In the Matter
of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition," [Docket #86-22], (1988, September 6),
p. 57.
8.Between 1978 and 1997, 35 states and the District of Columbia passed
legislation recognizing marijuana's medicinal value.
States include: AL, AZ, AR, CA, CO, CT, FL, GA, IL, IO, LA, MA, ME, MI, MN,
MO, MT, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NY, NC, OH, OK, OR, RI, SC, TN, TX, VT, VA, WA, WV,
and WI.
Copyright © 1998, Common Sense for Drug Policy Updated: Thursday,
10-Sep-1998 08:53:21 PDT
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and the
prescription was filled at a local hospital for a handling fee of $2.40
As I recall only certain Dr's can prescribe a "Class A" prescription and
then it must be
filled with a hospital affiliated with the Dr.
Richard Lake wrote in message <361757de....@news.primenet.com>...
Rev Chuck
>
> Medical Marijuana
>
> From:
> http://www.csdp.org/factbook/
>
> 1.Doctors are presently permitted to prescribe cocaine and morphine--but not
> marijuana.
Eye and nose surgeons can administer cocaine as an anaesthetic; it
has no psychoactive effects when used as such. Not so sure they can
actually write you a 'scrip, though.
They can also give morphine for pain relief, but not in dosages based
on their own judgement. Some cancer patients are required to die in
pain so that their doctors can retain their licenses.
Medical marijuana for anything short of heaving your guts? You must
be joking.
-- Creationism -- because the words are easier to spell.
Rev Chuck, Alt.Atheism #203, Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997.
Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond.
Bart Derks
The facts about mari jane..............
To be honest, i would be in favor of laws that legalized marihuana but
although i'm reggea-lover, "Legalize it, don't criticize it" is NOT
the way i'd liked to see it happening.
Yes it should have been legalized for medical (and recreational) use
decades ago. As a matter of fact, since a few years in special
occasions doctors can prescribe it in my country, the netherlands.
And yes, alcohol, a legal HARD-drug buyable at most streetcorners is
far far far far more dangerous and maybe even eating too much
chocolate may be more dangerous in the long run. Given for the same
purpose some medicins are also far more dangerous as mari jane.
However, sometimes i get sick and tired of certain pro-marijuana
people, especially when they "forget" to include the negative
aspects of marijuana in a factlist. There aren't that many negative
aspects to the drug itself, they should be included however imho.
For instance, what about memoryproblems, lack of interest and
concentrationproblems, high levels of tar when smoked and mental
addiction ?
Those are FACTS as well !!!
And allright, if i would have been tipsy and drunk as much as i've
been high and stoned i probably wouldn't have much memory left, i'd
only be interested in another bottle and wouldn't have any
concentration left at all. Probably watching TV/the
internet/computergames etc etc are as addictive (or maybe more) as
pot-use.
However based on the facts in the message below, I certainly wouldn't
legalize pot for what ever use. If you want to be taken serious,
especcially when we're talking about medical uses,
include all facts !!!
Best wishes,
Bart Derks, pot-user for 20 years.
On Sat, 03 Oct 1998 16:59:45 GMT, rl...@drugsense.org (Richard Lake)
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}However, sometimes i get sick and tired of certain pro-marijuana
}people, especially when they "forget" to include the negative
}aspects of marijuana in a factlist. There aren't that many negative
}aspects to the drug itself, they should be included however imho.
As the webmaster of the "Factbook", I get sick of "pro-marijuana" people
too. I do not consider myself to be "pro" cannabis anymore than
"pro-choice" groups are "pro-abortion". I am an anti-prohibitionist.
I believe it was the intent of the factbook authors to counter and balance
the abundant and often exaggerated lists of negative things written about
cannabis.
Not speaking for the authors, I personally think that the negative effects
of *chronic* cannabis use are not relevant to its legal status. If
cannabis were as dangerous as tobacco, it would make *less* sense to
abdicate its distribution to the black market.
What I would dearly like to see is a list of the negative aspects of drug
prohibition submitted with our governments drug law enforcement budgets.
Her Majesty the Queen vs. Victor Eugene Caine April 20, 1998
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT
IV (6) DOES THE LAW PROHIBITING THE POSSESSION OF MARIHUANA CAUSE HARM?
There is a consensus that there are, indeed, social and economic costs
attached to the prohibition of marihuana. In summary, they are as
follows:
1) countless Canadians, mostly adolescents and young adults, are being
prosecuted in the "criminal" courts, subjected to the threat of (if not
actual) imprisonment, and branded with criminal records for engaging [in]
an activity that is remarkably benign (estimates suggest that over 600,000
Canadians now have criminal records for cannabis related offences);
meanwhile others are free to consume society's drugs of choice, alcohol and
tobacco, even though these drugs are known killers.
2) disrespect for the law by upwards of one million persons who are
prepared to engage in this activity, notwithstanding the legal prohibition;
3) distrust, by users, of health and educational authorities who, in the
past, have promoted false and exaggerated allegations about marihuana; the
risk is that marihuana users, especially the young, will no longer listen,
even to the truth;
4) lack of open communication between young persons and their elders about
their drug use of the drug or any problems they are experiencing with it,
given that it is illegal;
5) the risk that our young people will be associating with actual
criminals and hard drug users who are the primary suppliers of the drug;
6) the lack of governmental control over the quality of the drug on the
market, given that it is available only on the blackmarket;
7) the creation of a lawless sub-culture whose only reason for being is to
grow, import and distribute a drug which is not available through lawful
means;
8) the enormous financial costs associated with enforcement of the law; and
9) the inability to engage in meaningful research into the properties,
effects and dangers of the drug, because possession of the drug is
unlawful.
}For instance, what about memoryproblems, lack of interest and
}concentrationproblems,
BETWEEN: HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN respondent and CHRISTOPHER CLAY and
JORDAN KENT PRENTICE Applicants
Heard at London: April 28, 29, and 30, and May 5, 6, 7, 12, 13, 14,
15, 20 and 22, 1997.
I wish to turn now to some statistical evidence which was introduced
by various of the witnesses and which I accept as valid. I heard from
a most impressive number of experts, among whom there was a general
consensus about effects of the consumption of marijuana. From an
analysis of their evidence I am able to reach the following conclusions:
1. Consumption of marijuana is relatively harmless compared to the
so-called hard drugs and including tobacco and alcohol;
2. There exists no hard evidence demonstrating any irreversible
organic or mental damage from the consumption of marijuana;
3. That cannabis does cause alteration of mental functions and as
such, it would not be prudent to drive a car while intoxicated;
4. There is no hard evidence that cannabis consumption induces
psychoses;
5. Cannabis is not an addictive substance;
6. Marijuana is not criminogenic in that there is no evidence of a
causal relationship between cannabis use and criminality;
7. That the consumption of marijuana probably does not lead to "hard
drug" use for the vast majority of marijuana consumers, although there
appears to be a statistical relationship between the use of marijuana
and a variety of other psychoactive drugs;
8. Marijuana does not make people more aggressive or violent;
9. There have been no recorded deaths from the consumption of
marijuana;
10. There is no evidence that marijuana causes amotivational syndrome;
11. Less than 1% of marijuana consumers are daily users;
12. Consumption in so-called "de-criminalized states" does not
increase out of proportion to states where there is no
de-criminalization.
13. Health related costs of cannabis use are negligible when compared
to the costs attributable to tobacco and alcohol consumption.
Harmful Effects of Marijuana and the Need for More Research
Having said all of this, there was also general consensus among the
experts who testified that the consumption of marijuana is not
completely harmless. While marijuana may not cause schizophrenia, it
may trigger it. Bronchial pulmonary damage is at risk of occurring
with heavy use. However, to be fair, there is also general agreement
among the experts who testified that moderate use of marijuana causes
no physical or psychological harm. Field studies in Greece, Costa Rico
and Jamaica generally supported the idea that marijuana was a
relatively safe drug - not totally free from potential harm, but
unlikely to create serious harm for most individual users or society.
The LeDain Commission found at least four major grounds for social
concern: the probably harmful effect of cannabis on the maturing
process in adolescence; the implications for safe driving arising from
impairment of cognitive functions and psycho motor abilities, from the
additive interaction of cannabis and alcohol and from the difficulties
of recognizing or detecting cannabis intoxication; the possibility,
suggested by reports in other countries and clinical observations on
this continent, that the long term, heavy use of cannabis may result
in a significant amount of mental deterioration and disorder; and the
role played by cannabis in the development and spread of multi-drug
use by stimulating a desire for drug experience and lowering
inhibitions about drug experimentation. This report went on to state
that it did not yet know enough about cannabis to speak with assurance
as to what constitutes moderate as opposed to excessive use.
The Report of the National Task Force on Cannabis, Canberra,
Australia, was delivered on September 30, 1994. This Task Force
concluded in general, that the findings on the health and
psychological effects of cannabis suggest that cannabis use is not as
dangerous as its opponents might believe, but that its use is not
completely without risk, as some of is proponents would argue. As it
is most commonly used, occasionally, cannabis presents only minor or
subtle risks to the health of the individual. The potential for
problems increases with regular heavy use. While the research findings
on some potential risks remain equivocal, there is clearly sufficient
evidence to conclude that cannabis use should be discouraged,
particularly among youth.
Sometime prior to the Canberra Report, the Royal Commission into the
non-medical use of drugs in South Australia was released. This
Commission concluded that marijuana is not an addictive drug and "is
comparatively harmless in moderate doses, although there are effects
on skills such as those required for driving, and its effects may be
greater if it is taken in combination with other drugs. It is almost
certainly harmful to some extent in high doses. The summary of the
scientific and medical evidence does not entirely resolve the policy
questions, since further value judgments have to be made."
Finally, I would refer to a commentary by Dr. Harold Kalant on three
reports which appeared in 1982 respecting the potential health
damaging consequences of chronic cannabis use. The one report is that
of an expert group appointed by the Advisory Council on the misuse of
drugs in the United Kingdom. The second is that resulting from a
scientific meeting sponsored jointly by the Addiction Research
Foundation of Ontario and the World Health Organization. The third is
that of a committee set up by the Institute of Medicine, National
Academy of Sciences, of the United States of America. There was
general agreement by the three groups after a review of essentially
the same body of evidence. In brief, the verdict in each case has been
that the available evidence is not nearly complete enough to permit an
identification of the full range and frequency of occurrence of
adverse effects from cannabis use, but that the practice can certainly
not be considered harmless and innocent.
I can only conclude from a review of these reports and the other viva
voce evidence which I heard that the jury is still out respecting the
actual and potential harm from the consumption of marijuana. It is
clear that further research should be carried out. While it is
generally agreed that marijuana used in moderation is not a stepping
stone to hard drugs, in that it does not usually lead to consumption
of the so-called hard drugs, nevertheless approximately 1 in 7 or 8
marijuana users do graduate to cocaine and/or heroin.
There have been a number of studies commissioned with respect to
potential harms and benefits of marijuana consumption. I have attached
as an addendum to these reasons a digest of the reports prepared for
the benefit of the court by the accused Christopher Clay which I
accept as accurate, as far as they go.
Neither of the Applicants have alleged that they need to possess
marijuana for medical purposes and any finding that I might make about
the availability of marijuana for medical use would have to be of some
benefit to the applicants or they would not have standing to ask for
it. I agree and find that the right to possess marijuana for medical
purposes is irrelevant to a consideration of the constitutionality
issues. Having said that, it might be useful to outline what is
generally agreed to be the therapeutic value of marijuana and I quote
in part from Ex. B from the affidavit of Dr. John P. Morgan, Professor
of Pharmacology, of the State of New York, who testified during the
course of the trial. He had this to say:
A number of studies have shown that marijuana is effective in reducing
nausea and vomiting. Lowering intra-ocular pressure associated with
glaucoma, and decreasing muscle spasm and spasticity. People
undergoing cancer chemotherapy have found smoked marijuana to be an
effective anti-nauseant - often more effective than available
pharmaceutical medications. Marijuana is also smoked by thousands of
Aids patients to treat the nausea and vomiting associated with both
the disease and AZT drug therapy. Because it stimulates appetite,
marijuana also counters HIV-related wasting allowing Aids patients to
gain weight and prolong their lives.
}high levels of tar when smoked
Even long-term chronic cannabis smokers do not experience any loss of
lung function. That said, moderation in all things is the key to
good health.
}and mental addiction?
Anything that is pleasurable is potentially habit forming. Therefore,
"mental addiction" is meaningless. It is an attribute of the user,
not the substance.
}However based on the facts in the message below, I certainly wouldn't
}legalize pot for what ever use. If you want to be taken serious,
}especcially when we're talking about medical uses,
}include all facts !!!
Please read the entire factbook, then post your defence of cannabis
prohibition. I'm looking forward to it.
Sincerely,
Matt (webm...@csdp.org)
shug
EPITNICEzeelandnet.nl> writes
>
>For instance, what about memoryproblems, lack of interest and
>concentrationproblems, high levels of tar when smoked and mental
>addiction ?
>
>Those are FACTS as well !!!
Are they?
Short-term memory problems are experienced by some people whilst stoned
- almost invariably inexperienced users.
Amotivational syndrome is a myth.
Tar is irrelevant - no-one has ever died from smoking cannabis (hint -
its the radioactivity in tobacco that causes cancer).
Mental addiction is a symptom of the person and nothing to do with
cannabis.
Shug
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LB
I've never used it, I know which way I'll be voting on a couple of upcoming
measures on the subject (certainly not the way the sheriff wants me to).
shug <sh...@shuggie.naespam.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<svDYulAs...@shug.co.uk>...
> In article <361b551...@news.zeelandnet.nl>, Bart Derks <bderks@TOKE
> EPITNICEzeelandnet.nl> writes
> >
> >For instance, what about memoryproblems, lack of interest and
> >concentrationproblems, high levels of tar when smoked and mental
> >addiction ?
> >
> >Those are FACTS as well !!!
>
Kitty Kelly
guys!!
Nathan Engle
> OMG!!! Isn't there an alt.support.grass out there somewhere for you
> guys!!
Close. These guys belong in rec.drugs.pot. My impression
has been that relatively few medical marijuana advocates are
patients themselves. Most are just recreational drug users
who see MMJ as a possible source of loopholes through which
to drive their weed wagons.
There's an interesting article in the Sep 98 _Scientific
American_ that mentions some very promising work being done
on various alternative ways to package MJ as a medication
which would quite literally make smoking obsolete as a proposed
medical treatment - really good news for patients, but really
bad news for stoners who only want MMJ to provide justification
for continued smoking.
There's a synopsis of the article at
http://www.sciam.com/1998/0998issue/0998scicit1.html
--
Nathan Engle
Shop Steward Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1
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"Some Assembly Required"
Janie
some men to grow breasts with regular mj use ........large enough
that they need to have breast reductions. (Or wear a
"mansierre", if they can find one.)
Peace, Jane
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Phil Stovell
>According to our local Sheriff, it causes violent behavior (!?).
Obviously well versed in the ways of the world.
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shug
>The one thing I haven't seen posted lately is the tendency for
>some men to grow breasts with regular mj use ........large enough
>that they need to have breast reductions. (Or wear a
>"mansierre", if they can find one.)
>Peace, Jane
Perhaps because its crap?
Authors - Cates W Jr, Pope JN
Title - Gynecomastia and cannabis smoking. A nonassociation among US
Army soldiers.
Source - American Journal of Surgery
Date - 1977 Nov
Issue - 134(5)
Pages - 613-5
Abstract -
Eleven patients diagnosed with idiopathic gynecomastia requiring
mammoplasty were compared with matched controls to determine if
there was an association between cannabis use and gynecomastia.
Patients with gynecomastia were not significantly different from
controls regarding their history of cannabis use. For those who
admitted using cannabis, patients had a higher frequency but a
shorter median duration of use than controls; differences were not
statistically significant. Our epidemiologic evidence does not
support the previously reported relationship between chronic
cannabis use and gynecomastia.
Rev Chuck
>
> In article <361b551...@news.zeelandnet.nl>, Bart Derks <bderks@TOKE
> EPITNICEzeelandnet.nl> writes
> >
> >concentrationproblems, high levels of tar when smoked and mental
> >addiction ?
> >
> >Those are FACTS as well !!!
>
>
> Short-term memory problems are experienced by some people whilst stoned
> - almost invariably inexperienced users.
> Amotivational syndrome is a myth.
Valproic acid makes me feel like I'm sleepwalking. And the docs
put me on THAT one because Dilantin REALLY put me into a 14-hour a
day siesta. MJ never hit me like these pills do.
> Tar is irrelevant - no-one has ever died from smoking cannabis (hint -
> its the radioactivity in tobacco that causes cancer).
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, benzo-a-pyrene compounds. Whatever those
are...
> Mental addiction is a symptom of the person and nothing to do with
> cannabis.
They're medicating and escaping other problems with it. Denied it,
they'll just use other drugs, other preoccupations.
Rev Chuck
>
> According to our local Sheriff, it causes violent behavior (!?). While
> I've never used it, I know which way I'll be voting on a couple of upcoming
> measures on the subject (certainly not the way the sheriff wants me to).
Let us pass a... err... raise a toast to his defeat come November.
Jseyller1
You go girl. I just skip right over those. Don't people know it's bad on the
heart too.
JoLynn :)
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Howdy All!
WHERE THE SMEG DID THAT COME FROM?!?
What does arthritis have to do with epilepsy?
(I just added this line because the response is also going to
alt.support.chronic-pain.)
FWIW: Arthritis isn't the only type of chronic pain.
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Bruce W.
Well at least:
talk.politics.drugs,alt.support.arthritis,alt.support.cancer,alt.support.chr
onic-pain,alt.support.epilepsy
That's bound to get you flamed. Reminds me of that old blonde joke: This
blonde is lying drunk in a field when a cow steps over her, dragging its
udder. She moans out loud "one at a time, boys!"
It's hard to follow cross posters so that's "where the Smeg" Char's remark
came from.
Bruce \/\/.
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shug
<may...@worldnet.att.net> writes
>ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE DISCUSSING MEDICAL MARIJUANA
>Unless what you are discussing here is relevant to the over 100 types of
>ARHTRITIS, it has no place on this board. Please go away and discuss this
>somewhere else.
>Thank you.
One of the many medical uses of cannabis is in pain relief, including
pain from arthritis. (And it has uses in cancer and epilepsy).
Guess that makes it on-topic
Kitty Kelly
To whatever group that started this thread, it looks like you're flying
between 3 different groups now.
Kitty
Pollychrome / Octobriana
| The one thing I haven't seen posted lately is the tendency for some
| men to grow breasts with regular mj use ........large enough that they
| need to have breast reductions. (Or wear a "mansierre", if they can
| find one.)
Ha ha, I havent heard that one before. As a male-female transsexual Id
almost want to give it a try myself, except that in the past when i
tried dope, it produced the same feelings Id have from an Aura before a
fit. And that's something I'd like to avoid!
--
Cheers,
Laura Anne Seabrook | c970...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au
Bruce W.
Bruce \/\/.
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Help, it's the return of the thread from hell. Hasn't anyone here
heard of Dejanews?
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Jseyller1
There is absolutely no need to be rude here. I read her first post and if you
were offended well then, that's your problem. Char is a very caring person and
you have no reason to judge her from 1 post. I suggest you find somewhere else
to post because everyone here is polite to one another. Maybe you ought to find
a little happiness in your life and you won't be so miserable.
JoLynn
susan strandberg
Chronic Pain, Muscle Spasms, Arthritic pain, Fibromaylgia. I have enough
information to sink your somewhat bigoted, single minded, in need of major
repair SHIP! There is so much miss information out there about the medical
use of MJ....I personally know people that had died, last count 27!!!! from
AIDS, Blood transfusion
tainted blood, MS, CF, SLE, Cancer, and a host of other scientifically
documents cases where MJ eased the suffering, enabled people to have some
quality of life! Everything from Archnoiditis, to Zostex herpes.
This is an OPEN forum! Do not come in here and tell us what to do or not
what to do!!!!
You qualify as a closed minded, person with NO compassion for what the
people on this NG...Chronic pain...are living with each and every day. I do
not smoke MJ...my choice!!
Unless you can provide me with unjudgemental, DEA, evidence please take your
comments some where if would be understood ....Try Christian Fundamentalist
forums. Or the government line on the "War on Drugs"! It is the MOST
outrageous assault on the millions of people who are dying, living with
intractable pain and terminal diseases that this country has EVER
undertaken! Joan P.S. There are some misspelled words in this post.... I
have : Fibromaylgia, chronic/cancer pancreatitis, osteoporosis, SLE (Lupus),
Connective Tissue Disease, sjrogrens, raynaulds, plus I few I can't
remember....which is why you will find the misspelled words. I live each and
every day of my life in intractable pain....I have lost almost 2 1/2 inches
this year alone because the five bottom vertibre are sitting on top of each
other, and I also have severe nerve damage because of slipped disks...that
will collapse at any time! Oh, and I also have AVN.......can you find a cure
or a drug that will make me whole again?
Or a valid argument on the use of MJ. Please...enlighten me!
charlotte le fleur wrote in message <361E5C7B...@worldnet.att.net>...
Steve Ratliff
<sj-str...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>will collapse at any time! Oh, and I also have AVN.......can you find a cure
>or a drug that will make me whole again?
Well, I doubt that MJ will do cure you! At best it might cover up some
of the pain. But there are probably better pain relievers for that.
And they won't get you thrown in jail! <BEG> Stop yelling at Char, she
is a very compassionate person as you would know if you had bothered
to actually read the group in question. I hope you fell better soon.
Steve
Kitty Kelly
THAT IS WHY YOU ARE GETTING STRANGE MESSAGES. CHAR IS AN ANGEL!!!
PLEASE START A NEW MEDICAL MARIJUANA THREAD AND CLOSE THIS ONE.
THANKS - KITTY ALT.SUPPORT.ARTHRITIS
charlotte le fleur
go ahead and post it here.
Susan-I am sorry for all the pain in your life. When I
posted that, I was not
aware that this was being cross posted to several different
NGs besides
alt.support.arthritis. You are welcome to discuss anything
you like on your
chronic pain NG. I have no quarrel with that at all. But I
personally do not
feel it has a place on ASA. And as for pain, I will not get
into a pissing
contest who has worse pain, you or I. Suffice it to say, I
have 3 different
types of arthritis (of which there are over 100). I have
OA PA and FMS. I
had bilateral knee replcements done in July, and am still
recovering. So I too
know what pain is. We at ASA would like to be taken out of
the loop on this
discussion.
Thank You,
Charlotte Le Fleur
sand...@earthlink.net wrote:
> charlotte le fleur wrote:
> >
> > ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE DISCUSSING MEDICAL MARIJUANA
> > Unless what you are discussing here is relevant to the over 100 types of
> > ARHTRITIS, it has no place on this board. Please go away---
>
> And, I suppose it's YOUR duty to decide what's relevant?
>
> Jack
Patrick F. Coleman
So here's my chance to find out if the old comedy line is true..
"If men had breasts they'd never leave the house"...?
Bruce W.
right though, we need to click on by.
(I feel another song transfiguration coming on!)
When you see me walking down the street
and I'm shooting flames
from my head to my feet
Click on by!
Bruce \/\/.
=+=+=+=+
Deebee 3 wrote in message <19981010205708...@ng142.aol.com>...
>
>>JoLynn, Steve, and Kitty. Thanks for jumping to my defense. Char
>>
>
>Except their defenses weren't cross-posted so the only people who saw them
were
>us a.s.a. folks. Yet another reason to click on by these situations....
>
>Denise
>
Bruce W.
Your apology is certainly accepted.
Hope we see you around here in Alt.Support.Arthritis
Bruce \/\/.
=+=+=+=+
susan strandberg wrote in message <6vp2va$j...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>This is JOAN STRANDBERG, not Susan./.......I traced this awful thread as
far
>back as the one posted by someone called Pollycrome/ Octobria ....this is
>french for October....So I think we all have been HAD! I offer my most
Lynda Gottschalk
this subject is that researchers have synthisized out a chemical from
marijuana they have found to be a new pain medication. Could be good
news for all of us....in pill form!!!
Lynmari
~~~~~Peace and tranquility~~~~~~
Homepage:http://home.talkcity.com/spiritcir/lynmari/index.html
Join the arthritis
warriors--http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/rheumathritis
Join-DachsieHeaven:http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/DachsieHeaven
Dachsie B'day Page: http://members.tripod.com/~Lynmari/DACHSHUND
Nathan Engle
> Not to continue a sore subject, but something that is relevant to us on
> this subject is that researchers have synthisized out a chemical from
> marijuana they have found to be a new pain medication. Could be good
> news for all of us....in pill form!!!
M'yes. I think my biggest question is whether the pain
relief offered by Marinol would be enough to counter-balance
the heart failures due to sticker-shock over its $600/month
price tag.
I hear that there are some interesting alternative products
on trial in England - inhalers, nasal sprays, suppositories,
patches - that sort of thing. They have the "drawback" of
being MJ derivatives rather than synthetics which means that
they'll be much less expensive to produce assuming we ever
figure out how to work out the legal details.
The bottom line is that there are several options that
could be very good news, maybe even better news than Marinol
pills. The competition might help to trim some of the fat
out of that $600/mo. In any event smoking is medically
passe. I don't ever expect to see any hospital wards
resembling Cheech&Chong movies.
susan strandberg
susan strandberg
charlotte le fleur wrote in message <361FE1F6...@worldnet.att.net>...
Jseyller1
Char,
Every once in awhile my mean streak will come out <g>
JoLynn :)
Deebee 3
susan strandberg
back as the one posted by someone called Pollycrome/ Octobria ....this is
french for October....So I think we all have been HAD! I offer my most
subscribed to Fibro and Chronic Pain only. I am a patient with a lot of
things going on..I will not bore you with the details, not because I think
you would be more understanding but only to make this perfectly clear. I did
not start this thread, I have never done so in my life! I apologize the most
to Char. and to Bruce..I have tried to post to him but it gets bounced.
Please, I am begging you forgive me for anything that I might have posted
that got cross-posted...I don't know how that happened. I am new to using
the computer, only had it since Feb. and I am still learning. This has
taught me a great and valuable lesson. I have so much to deal with right
now, as do all of you....I do not want to get thrown off the wweb or have my
Sister's name sullied. She is an artist...She has Archnoiditis, it is
progressing to the point that she is on heavy duty drugs, just to keep her
on her feet. So again I ask your forgiveness for anything I have done to
add to this mess. Ask the people on Chronic Pain if I am that kind of
person. Sincerely, Peace for all of us! Joan Strandberg
Patrick F. Coleman wrote in message <6vor1i$ils$7...@supernews.com>...
Steve Ratliff
<may...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>JoLynn, Steve, and Kitty. Thanks for jumping to my defense. Char
Heh, maybe next time you'll remember my name when you list the male
ASAers! <BEG>
Steve Ratliff
>
>>JoLynn, Steve, and Kitty. Thanks for jumping to my defense. Char
>>
>
>Except their defenses weren't cross-posted so the only people who saw them were
>us a.s.a. folks. Yet another reason to click on by these situations....
>
>Denise
Yeah, well, sometime it just feels good to mouth off! <G>
Steve
http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve
Kev Martin
<sj-str...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>This is JOAN STRANDBERG, not Susan./.......I traced this awful thread as far
>back as the one posted by someone called Pollycrome/ Octobria ....this is
>french for October....So I think we all have been HAD! I offer my most
>humble apolizies to each ng that this thread has been posted to. I am
>subscribed to Fibro and Chronic Pain only. I am a patient with a lot of
>things going on..I will not bore you with the details, not because I think
>you would be more understanding but only to make this perfectly clear. I did
>not start this thread, I have never done so in my life! I apologize the most
>to Char. and to Bruce..I have tried to post to him but it gets bounced.
>Please, I am begging you forgive me for anything that I might have posted
>that got cross-posted...I don't know how that happened. I am new to using
>the computer, only had it since Feb. and I am still learning. This has
>taught me a great and valuable lesson. I have so much to deal with right
>now, as do all of you....I do not want to get thrown off the wweb or have my
>Sister's name sullied. She is an artist...She has Archnoiditis, it is
>progressing to the point that she is on heavy duty drugs, just to keep her
>on her feet. So again I ask your forgiveness for anything I have done to
>add to this mess. Ask the people on Chronic Pain if I am that kind of
>person. Sincerely, Peace for all of us! Joan Strandberg
Hi Joan,
I suppose I can only really speak for myself (darn it ! :-), but my
feeling is that no-one who got your post through alt.support.epilepsy
(where I did) will be in the slighest offended. Personally I was
cheering you on as I read the post! A fair and honest response.
Cheers and support,
Kev
================
Kev Martin
sca...@bigpond.com
kcm...@mugc.cc.monash.edu.au
http://www.fortunecity/westwood/moschino/291/
ICQ: 9301491
================
Jseyller1
I'm sorry (my own opinion) I don't think it was a *fair* response. I'm not
disagreeing with what she wrote. If she feels it was relavent, and alot of you
think that, that's fine. But attacking someone you don't even know is out of
line.
JoLynn
Connie Davis
:>
:> ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE DISCUSSING MEDICAL MARIJUANA
:> Unless what you are discussing here is relevant to the over 100 types of
:> ARHTRITIS, it has no place on this board. Please go away---
:
:And, I suppose it's YOUR duty to decide what's relevant?
:
:Jack
Guess what Jack, I think we have all chosen the way we want to go, either come along with a smile on
your face or wallow alone!
ConnieD.
Connie Davis
refrain from blasting an extremely compassionate and caring person. Perhaps you were having a really
bad day at the time and we can excuse your behaviour, but your posting to "our Friend" Char, did not
warrant the attack you made on her. Good for you that you are an expert in MJ,most of us are here to
gain information but aggressive postings are not acceptable to us,we are here to SUPPORT each other,
not knock them down because they disagree with a posting. IMHO if you are in such a dither over this
subject, then sleep on it BEFORE you go for a knee jerk reaction. BTW, if you advocate the use of MJ
then come and join my doctor, but through MY own choice I prefer a packet of the usual ciggies and
guess what NO meds for RA,OA & PA,HH, HT, and the reason, severe allergies to the meds!! So just
like you telling us all that you have a condition that is life threaten, understand Susan, all of us
here are in the same SHIP and I would rather have Char as the captain than you!
ConnieD.
susan strandberg wrote in message <6vo8ed$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
. I have enough
:information to sink your somewhat bigoted, single minded, in need of major
:repair SHIP!
:This is an OPEN forum! Do not come in here and tell us what to do or not
:what to do!!!!
. I live each and
:every day of my life in intractable pain....I have lost almost 2 1/2 inches
:this year alone because the five bottom vertibre are sitting on top of each
:other, and I also have severe nerve damage because of slipped disks...that
:will collapse at any time! Oh, and I also have AVN.......can you find a cure
:or a drug that will make me whole again?
:Or a valid argument on the use of MJ. Please...enlighten me!
:charlotte le fleur wrote in message <361E5C7B...@worldnet.att.net>...
:>ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE DISCUSSING MEDICAL MARIJUANA
:>Unless what you are discussing here is relevant to the over 100 types of
:>ARHTRITIS, it has no place on this board. Please go away and discuss this
:>somewhere else.
:>Thank you.
:>
:>
:>
:
:
Connie Davis
also FIND who did this to you!
ConnieD.
PS Why not join us, you will be made welcome I assure you!
susan strandberg wrote in message <6vp2va$j...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
:This is JOAN STRANDBERG, not Susan./.......I traced this awful thread as far
:back as the one posted by someone called Pollycrome/ Octobria ....this is
:french for October....So I think we all have been HAD! I offer my most
:humble apolizies to each ng that this thread has been posted to. I am
:subscribed to Fibro and Chronic Pain only. I am a patient with a lot of
:things going on..I will not bore you with the details, not because I think
:you would be more understanding but only to make this perfectly clear. I did
:not start this thread, I have never done so in my life! I apologize the most
:to Char. and to Bruce..I have tried to post to him but it gets bounced.
:Please, I am begging you forgive me for anything that I might have posted
:that got cross-posted...I don't know how that happened. I am new to using
:the computer, only had it since Feb. and I am still learning. This has
:taught me a great and valuable lesson. I have so much to deal with right
:now, as do all of you....I do not want to get thrown off the wweb or have my
:Sister's name sullied. She is an artist...She has Archnoiditis, it is
:progressing to the point that she is on heavy duty drugs, just to keep her
:on her feet. So again I ask your forgiveness for anything I have done to
:add to this mess. Ask the people on Chronic Pain if I am that kind of
:person. Sincerely, Peace for all of us! Joan Strandberg
:Patrick F. Coleman wrote in message <6vor1i$ils$7...@supernews.com>...
:>
:>
:
:
Bruce W.
realize it or not. Got to the TO: field and strip out the other groups
(unless, of course, that's what you want to do).
Bruce \/\/.
=+=+=+=+
P.S. to Encino Man: please be nice and strip out your crosspost headers,
too. No one needs a flamewar started by some crossposting SFB many messages
ago. That's why this mess cropped up.
>Jack Sandweiss
>
>Research Associate
>California Medical Clinic for Headache
>Encino, CA
elje...@mindspring.com
around pointing out the negatives about pot use.
Do you see a label about liver disease on a bottle of Jack Daniels.
No--because in MODERATION alcohol is not dangerous. Just as marijuana, in
moderation is not harmful.
This is a free country--we, as free citizens should be able to injest any
substance into our bodies we wish.
Hell--if you really want to save lives, outlaw fatty foods. Haggen Daz,
chocolate and potato chips probably kill more people in this country per
year than all other forms combined. In moderation, those foods are fine, as
is alcohol and marijuana--why should the rest of the population suffer from
those who have no self control?
If someone can sit back and ingest fat laden food and become as fat as a
house, clog up their arteries and then die of heart disease, why dont i have
the same right to choose to ingest a substance that is much, much less
harmful and actually medically beneficial.
Do you know there is NOT ONE DOCUMENTED case of a death from an overdose of
Marijuana. (quoted from the book Marihauna-The Forbidden Medicine.)
Jefe
Bart Derks wrote in message <361b551...@news.zeelandnet.nl>...
>
>The facts about mari jane..............
>
>To be honest, i would be in favor of laws that legalized marihuana but
>although i'm reggea-lover, "Legalize it, don't criticize it" is NOT
>the way i'd liked to see it happening.
>
>Yes it should have been legalized for medical (and recreational) use
>decades ago. As a matter of fact, since a few years in special
>occasions doctors can prescribe it in my country, the netherlands.
>
>And yes, alcohol, a legal HARD-drug buyable at most streetcorners is
>far far far far more dangerous and maybe even eating too much
>chocolate may be more dangerous in the long run. Given for the same
>purpose some medicins are also far more dangerous as mari jane.
>
>However, sometimes i get sick and tired of certain pro-marijuana
>people, especially when they "forget" to include the negative
>aspects of marijuana in a factlist. There aren't that many negative
>aspects to the drug itself, they should be included however imho.
>
>For instance, what about memoryproblems, lack of interest and
>concentrationproblems, high levels of tar when smoked and mental
>addiction ?
>
>Those are FACTS as well !!!
>
>And allright, if i would have been tipsy and drunk as much as i've
>been high and stoned i probably wouldn't have much memory left, i'd
>only be interested in another bottle and wouldn't have any
>concentration left at all. Probably watching TV/the
>internet/computergames etc etc are as addictive (or maybe more) as
>pot-use.
>
>However based on the facts in the message below, I certainly wouldn't
>legalize pot for what ever use. If you want to be taken serious,
>especcially when we're talking about medical uses,
>include all facts !!!
>
>
>Best wishes,
>Bart Derks, pot-user for 20 years.
>
elje...@mindspring.com
group.
You don't like it--dont read--but dont tell me or anyone else on this group,
EVERYONES GROUP, what we can or cannot discuss, that is pretty damn selfish
of you.
Jefe
elje...@mindspring.com
i am glad you enjoy your choice of "ciggies"--
i enjoy not having others telling me what can and cannot be discussed on the
group.
And BTW--no one is Captain of this ship---it is everybody's forum which it
is why iw was so totally inappropriate to announce that Marijauna, unless it
met her guidelines could no longer be discussed--what a crock of shit
jefe
Connie Davis wrote in message <6vqbhi$3cn$1...@reader3.wxs.nl>...
>:charlotte le fleur wrote in message
>:>
>:>
>:>
>:
>:
>
>
Buzz Cut
elje...@mindspring.com wrote in message
<6vr8ko$jhr$1...@camel29.mindspring.com>...
>Thank you for letting us know what we can and cannot discuss on "your"
>group.
>
>You don't like it--dont read--but dont tell me or anyone else on this
group,
>EVERYONES GROUP, what we can or cannot discuss, that is pretty damn selfish
>of you.
>
>Jefe
>
Jefe,
Do you realize that you and everyone else responding to this thread
(including this message) is crossposting to:
talk.politics.drugs
alt.support.arthritis
alt.support.cancer
alt.support.chronic-pain
alt.support.epilepsy
What I have scanned of yours and other posts on this thread indicate that
you really just want to post to talk.politics.drugs. If you delete the alt.
groups from the to: line you might not receive messages like the one that
inspired your above post.
Dave aka Buzz Cut - alt.support.cancer
susan strandberg
My Name is Joan Strandberg. To show you where I am coming from, I will give
you a short list of my illnesses: I have SLE (since 1957), RA,
osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, Fibromaylgia, Raynaulds, sjorgrens, chronic
pancreatisits, (brought on by the continuing use of steroids over 30 years),
liver problems, protein, blood and calcium in my urine and my blood tests,
I have abnormal C cells in my pancreas, chronic pain, re-active depression
(wonder why? :). etc.
I was the President of the Tampa Chapter of the Lupus Foundation of America,
Inc from 1979 to 1983..during that span of time I also served as Vice
President, Secretary, and treasurer. When I move to NC, due to the
continuing progression of the above, I, along with four others formed the
Western North Carolina Chapter of LFA, I served in various offices during
that time. I was President from 1985-1991, when I was forced to withdraw due
to continuing problems with my health. I still run the HOT LINE for LFA
in WNC. through the Winston Triad Chapter of LFA.Inc.
During the time I was in Tampa I used my late husband's name, Perez. but
after his death in 1992 I changed my name , back to my maiden name for
legal (estate) reason's.
I became interested in the legal use of mj in the seventies when my close
friend, Robert Randall, ( who has glaucoma) began a very long battle through
the courts, he was the first person in the USA to receive legal mj. and
still does. Robert has become a qualified expect witness in many, many cases
about Mj use for medical use ONLY. Robert has written four books:
Marijuana, Medicine and The Law first printing in 1988 Which is 502 pages
long, it is testimony about cases regarding the medical treatment of Life
and Sense Threatening Disease, including cancer, Glaucoma, MS, Para and
Quadriplegia, chronic pain and Skin Disorders( including Discoid Lupus)
In 1991 he wrote: Marijuana and AIDS, Pot, Politic and PWAs in America
Also: Muscle Spasm, Pain and Marijuana Therapy.
They are available through Barnes and Nobel and through ACTS, and Amazon
Books can order them for you. They were published by Galen Press, Inc of
Washington D.C.
The fourth book is about the years of struggle he and his wife Alice O'Leary
have been through. From the very beginning up to today. It will be on book
store shelves in January 1999.
Robert has testified all over the world...Europe and Asia, and in Japan
about the use of mj as a coping drug for: SLE, RA. CTDS, AIDS. etc...etc...
I became interested, not just because of him, but of my own knowledge
compiled over all the years I have worked with not only the Lupus
Foundation, Inc., but for the Arthritis Foundation. Although due to my
increasing physical problems, my time with the WNC group was short.
It became increasing clear to me that patients that tried mj for illness
were helped a great deal. The "Wasting Syndrome" in AIDS patients, and RA,
MS patients were helped with pain management and control. Also the more I
learned, and believe me, I was astonished by what I was seeing, the more
convinced I was that mj was really helping people, and if, there were
Doctors telling their patients to try smoking it during chemo, that there
must be real value in it's use.
I am truly sorry for the "flame war" that I was forwarding, unknowingly, but
I have seen with my own eyes that there is a reason to legalize mj for
Medical Use ONLY
There is a drug called methenal (spelling?) that has THC in it, but it was
not working for many patients due to the constant nausea caused by their
illness.
I am posting this so that all the people who though I was a "nut case" about
mj and an ill tempered, big mouthed, stupid woman, will know that is far
from the truth.
I have spent my adult life fighting every step of the way. I was taking
Cortisone before they even knew the damage it can and does cause. I am still
alive because of taking the predisone...but along the way my bones have
turned to shells, my stomach and intestinal system are in truly life
threatening condition. But I believe that I have been kept alive to help all
people facing chronic, life threatening, long term illnesses.
You all know of what I speak! I would NEVER have posted that post....maybe
it was a very bad pain day, we all have them, if fact, most of us face the
"haze of Pain" that is there the moment we open our eyes, each and every
day!
This is a very long post...but it needed to be done. I humbly apologize to
each and every person on all the groups enveloped in this terrible mess. I
can only ask that you read this, and understand me a little better. I am
sorry!!!
That is all I can say, please forgive me! Joan Strandberg. I can be reached
at sj-str...@worldnet.att.net if you would like to talk or have any
questions. Thank you for your time and I hope this can be put in the trash
where it belongs! Joani
Connie Davis wrote in message <6vqbo9$fgs$1...@reader3.wxs.nl>...
>Thank you Joan and sorry to hear of the utter mess that has been caused.
Hope you feel better and
>also FIND who did this to you!
>ConnieD.
>PS Why not join us, you will be made welcome I assure you!
>
>
>susan strandberg wrote in message <6vp2va$j...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>:This is JOAN STRANDBERG, not Susan./.......I traced this awful thread as
far
>:back as the one posted by someone called Pollycrome/ Octobria ....this is
>:French for October....So I think we all have been HAD! I offer my most
>:humble apologizes to each ng that this thread has been posted to. I am
>:subscribed to Fibro and Chronic Pain only. I am a patient with a lot of
>:things going on..I will not bore you with the details, not because I think
>:you would be more understanding but only to make this perfectly clear. I
did
>:not start this thread, I have never done so in my life! I apologize the
most
>:to Char. and to Bruce..I have tried to post to him but it gets bounced.
>:Please, I am begging you forgive me for anything that I might have posted
>:that got cross-posted...I don't know how that happened. I am new to using
>:the computer, only had it since Feb. and I am still learning. This has
>:taught me a great and valuable lesson. I have so much to deal with right
>:now, as do all of you....I do not want to get thrown off the web or have
my
>:Sister's name sullied. She is an artist...She has Archnoiditis, it is
>:progressing to the point that she is on heavy duty drugs, just to keep her
>:on her feet. So again I ask your forgiveness for anything I have done to
>:add to this mess. Ask the people on Chronic Pain if I am that kind of
>:person. Sincerely, Peace for all of us! Joan Strandberg
>:Patrick F. Coleman wrote in message <6vor1i$ils$7...@supernews.com>...
>:>Pollychrome / Octobriana <c970...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>:>
>:>>On Thrus., 8 Oct 1998, Janie wrote:
>:>
>:>>| The one thing I haven't seen posted lately is the tendency for some
>:>>| men to grow breasts with regular mj use ........large enough that they
>:>>| need to have breast reductions. (Or wear a "mansierre", if they can
>:>>| find one.)
>:>
>:>>Ha ha, I haven't heard that one before. As a male-female transsexual Id
Harvey R. Stone
>
> Jack Sandweiss
>
> Research Associate
> California Medical Clinic for Headache
> Encino, CA
What Bruce has said is the 100% truth. Your smartass answer goes right
along with posting this MJ pushing stuff and its giving us a headache
which is right down your line also. We have on good days 300 posts
that could be crossed to yours but what good would that do. Give it a
rest, Please
Harv
Bruce W.
Jack didn't realize he was crossposting and sent me a private email
apologizing. I also didn't realize I was crossposting. This is also
because some stupid SFB started this crosspost nonsense and none of us
checked the headers to erase the other groups when replying. Hell, I meant
to reply to Jack privately and I crossposted! So in the words of the
Beatles:
Let it Be!
(But let's see if we can find out who the original cross poster was so we
can be waiting for him the way moonshiners wait for the revenooers!)
Harvey R. Stone wrote in message <3621462F...@att.net>...
Bruce W.
You're clearly one of us. Sorry that you joined us via a baptism by fire
but in my book you're always welcome here in alt.support.arthritis!
Bruce \/\/.
=+=+=+=+
P.S. THIS time I remembered to delete the crosspost addresses!
ho...@auhs.edu
individual.
I believe the synthetic THC you mentioned is Marinol.
Dr Susan
On 11 Oct
1998, susan strandberg wrote:
Susan Hoch
HO...@auhs.edu
Tausif Alam
Well then, go do them!
Heidi
In article <3620E43C...@earthlink.net>, sand...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> And, what exactly did you mean by "wallow alone"? You sound like a real
> sweetheart. And, I have more important things to do.
Lynda Gottschalk
would love to read it.
Thanks!
Lynda Gottschalk
that is out of character for me. I do believe in the use of medical
marijuana, and I do believe it can
"ease" the pain of arthritis. That is only my opinion, and I don't care
what the facts do or do not say. However, because of the vehemence
expressed here by everyone I did not have courage to say what I thought.
I am now. Please respect that without telling me it is irrelevant or
that you are upset with me.
Thanks.
elje...@mindspring.com
members that post on this group, don't speak for me.
"us" incorporates everyone if you dont accurately define who "us"
incorporates
I prefer to speak for myself and to not be put into groups by other people
Also, I dont have a headache either
jefe
Nathan Engle
> Nathan why don't you post some of that info you find here?
Mmmm, because I still have some vestige of modesty and
restraint? I've tried to steer clear of this thread for
the most part since I question the motives of some of the
people participating in it. I only responded to you
because I saw that you'd had the admirable good sense
to snip all those drug groups out of your Newsgroups
line.
> I for one, would love to read it.
Get thee to a library and to the Periodical Section
therein. Scientific American, Sept 1998.
--
Nathan Engle
Shop Steward Electron Juggler's Guild, Local #1
BLOBn...@indiana.eduBLUB BLOBhttp://php.indiana.edu/~nengleBLUB
"Some Assembly Required"
Steve Ratliff
>Now this is absurd--the "Pro Marijuana Legalization" group not running
>around pointing out the negatives about pot use.
>
>Do you see a label about liver disease on a bottle of Jack Daniels.
Actually I believe alcoholic products do have warning labels. At least
in the USA.
Steve
Harvey R. Stone
told what to do on??? Which one do you care about??? Which one cares
what you think???
Harv
Steve Ratliff
<sj-str...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>My Name is Joan Strandberg. To show you where I am coming from, I will give
>you a short list of my illnesses:
Wow Susan! Sounds like you've been through hell. Hang in there!
Harvey R. Stone
>
> My Name is Joan Strandberg. To show you where I am coming from, I will give
> you a short list of my illnesses: I have SLE (since 1957), RA,
> osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, Fibromaylgia, Raynaulds, sjorgrens, chronic
> pancreatisits, (brought on by the continuing use of steroids over 30
Hi Joan, I am afraid that we have had a bad start in getting to know
you. That does not mean that we cannot change all that and start again.
With what you have been apart of and lived with, there is no end to the
help and understanding you could show in ASA if we could just start over
with a smile and understanding.
Harv
Houston, Tx
Harvey R. Stone
>
> Let it Be!
>
You da man. Be it be.
susan strandberg
My Name is Joan Strandberg. To show you where I am coming from, I will give
you a short list of my illnesses: I have SLE (since 1957), RA,
osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, Fibromaylgia, Raynaulds, sjorgrens, chronic
liver problems, protein, blood and calcium in my urnine and my blood tests,
I have abnormal C cells in my pancreas, chronic pain, re-active depression
I was the President of the Tampa Chapter of the Lupus Foundation of America,
Inc from 1979 to 1983..during that span of time I also served as Vice
President, Secretary, and treasurer. When I move to NC, due to the
Western North Carolina Chapter of LFA, I served in various offices during
that time. I was President from 1985-1991, when I was forced to withdraw due
in WNC.
Connie Davis wrote in message <6vqbo9$fgs$1...@reader3.wxs.nl>...
>Thank you Joan and sorry to hear of the utter mess that has been caused.
Hope you feel better and
>also FIND who did this to you!
>ConnieD.
>PS Why not join us, you will be made welcome I assure you!
>
>
>susan strandberg wrote in message <6vp2va$j...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>:This is JOAN STRANDBERG, not Susan./.......I traced this awful thread as
far
>:back as the one posted by someone called Pollycrome/ Octobria ....this is
>:humble apolizies to each ng that this thread has been posted to. I am
>:subscribed to Fibro and Chronic Pain only. I am a patient with a lot of
>:things going on..I will not bore you with the details, not because I think
>:you would be more understanding but only to make this perfectly clear. I
did
>:not start this thread, I have never done so in my life! I apologize the
most
>:to Char. and to Bruce..I have tried to post to him but it gets bounced.
>:Please, I am begging you forgive me for anything that I might have posted
>:that got cross-posted...I don't know how that happened. I am new to using
>:the computer, only had it since Feb. and I am still learning. This has
>:taught me a great and valuable lesson. I have so much to deal with right
my
>:Sister's name sullied. She is an artist...She has Archnoiditis, it is
>:progressing to the point that she is on heavy duty drugs, just to keep her
>:on her feet. So again I ask your forgiveness for anything I have done to
>:add to this mess. Ask the people on Chronic Pain if I am that kind of
>:person. Sincerely, Peace for all of us! Joan Strandberg
>:Patrick F. Coleman wrote in message <6vor1i$ils$7...@supernews.com>...
>:>Pollychrome / Octobriana <c970...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>:>
>:>
>:>>| The one thing I haven't seen posted lately is the tendency for some
>:>>| men to grow breasts with regular mj use ........large enough that they
>:>>| need to have breast reductions. (Or wear a "mansierre", if they can
>:>>| find one.)
>:>
charlotte le fleur
Back in my misspent youth, I smoked MJ and I liked it. Enough so that I
dont want to try it today. But it does have valid uses in medicine. There
is no doubt of that. And if you would like to start a discussion of its use
for arthritis pain, feel free.
But the talk of the what was it, a trans sexual hoped it caused breast
formation in men? or something like that. That sort of thing is what I
objected to. If you have facts and figures and studies on the use of
Cannibus in the treatment of glaucoma, the nausea associated with
chemo-therapy, or in the treatment of arthritis pain., then go for it.
Char
Bruce W.
my detractors around here have suggested and go f**k myself! <vbeg>
Bruce \/\/.
=+=+=+=+
>But the talk of the what was it, a trans sexual hoped it caused breast
>formation in men? or something like that. That sort of thing is what I
>Char
Connie Davis
not my intention to cross post. I shall be doubly checking in future to ensre that I personally do
not cross post, or cause offence to those who have found alternative help for their own situations.
To my friends in A.S.A. I am sorry if I got you you embroiled in my postings but with hand on heart
I did not look to see which groups were receiving my mailimgs. Will ensure this DOES NOT HAPPEN
AGAIN!! ConnieD.
Harvey R. Stone wrote in message <36214D27...@att.net>...
:Hi feman, you are posting to 5 newsgroups. Which one are you being
:told what to do on??? Which one do you care about??? Which one cares
:what you think???
:Harv
:
:elje...@mindspring.com wrote:
:>
:> Hey Connie--
:>
:> i am glad you enjoy your choice of "ciggies"--
:>
:> i enjoy not having others telling me what can and cannot be discussed on the
:> group.
:>
:> And BTW--no one is Captain of this ship---it is everybody's forum which it
:> is why iw was so totally inappropriate to announce that Marijauna, unless it
:> met her guidelines could no longer be discussed--what a crock of shit
:>
:> jefe
:> Connie Davis wrote in message <6vqbhi$3cn$1...@reader3.wxs.nl>...
:> >Sorry to hear you are so ill, and hope that whatever helps you continues to
:> do so, however, PLEASE
:> >refrain from blasting an extremely compassionate and caring person. Perhaps
:> you were having a really
:> >bad day at the time and we can excuse your behaviour, but your posting to
:> "our Friend" Char, did not
:> >warrant the attack you made on her. Good for you that you are an expert in
:> MJ,most of us are here to
:> >gain information but aggressive postings are not acceptable to us,we are
:> here to SUPPORT each other,
:> >not knock them down because they disagree with a posting. IMHO if you are
:> in such a dither over this
:> >subject, then sleep on it BEFORE you go for a knee jerk reaction. BTW, if
:> you advocate the use of MJ
:> >then come and join my doctor, but through MY own choice I prefer a packet
:> of the usual ciggies and
:> >guess what NO meds for RA,OA & PA,HH, HT, and the reason, severe allergies
:> to the meds!! So just
:> >like you telling us all that you have a condition that is life threaten,
:> understand Susan, all of us
:> >here are in the same SHIP and I would rather have Char as the captain than
:> you!
:> >ConnieD.
:> >:
:> >:
:> >
:> >
charlotte le fleur
seperate agenda. Just steer clear of him and the others, and hopefully this whole thing will die
down. Thanks for coming to my defense. I had no idea what a can of worms I was opening when I wrote
that. There had been some minor discussion of the inappropropriatness of the subject matter, and I
just took it upon myself to politely ask them to take their discussion elsewhere. I didnt know the
stupid thing was a cross post to several groups.
I learned a valuable lesson though, check the header before answering or commenting to some one you do
not know.
Bruce W.
Jack apologized (at least to me) for inadvertently getting caught in this
crossposting flame war (STARTED BY ONE RICHARD LAKE - C'MON BACK FOR YOUR
ATOMIC WEDGIE, DICKIE BOY!!!!). Let's all drop it and lie in wait for our
"dear fiend" (oh, I mean, "friend", sorry for the typo <vbeg>) Richard to
pull another cross posting stunt. This time we'll be ready for him. With
bells on . . .
Bruce \/\/.
=+=+=+=+
(Just waiting for the moment when I see Dick head on back here to try
crossposting again!)
Connie Davis wrote in message <6vtl5c$erd$1...@reader2.wxs.nl>...
>-I am sorry for those of you who will no doubt be bored stiff with the
content of my postings and
>mail between Jack an myslf however,
PEDSEC
Wow, Joan, what a story! Please feel free to hang around here with us. We
could use another "arthritis warrior" such as yourself. You might have
stumbled in here by accident, but it sounds like you are in the right place!
(from another North Carolinian)
Bonnie
Never enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent :o)
Bart Derks
Thanks for your message, it was a lot better as the one that started
the thread imo !
I merely wanted to say that the initial message forgot some aspects
that are very important IMHO.
When trying to get something legalized that has been illegal for a
while (with quite a cultural history in this case...), there's indeed
the need to counter and balance the negative and exaggerated opinions
that excist and there's nothing wrong with that need.
But, in order to get it legalized, who do you need to adress ?
IMO the people that have those incorrect, negative and exaggerated
opinions.
Suppose you were one of 'm....
Suppose you encountered a message on marijuana with the best intents,
but that only mentioned the positive aspects.
Would that counter/balance the negative opinions you already had ?
Remember, these negative and exaggerated story's told about marijuana
have a long history, they're often not about the drug itself but about
the groups and people in society that use/have used 'm.
Therefor IMO (once again) the people with the wrong ideas won't feel
invited to read the factbook and they won't adjust their opinions.
They'll more likely think "Bullsh*t, what about the enlarged male
breasts, stepping stones etc.etc. ?", they'll hit the next button
without adjusting their incorrect negative opinion.
If the message included the _true_ negative aspects as well, a larger
quantity of misinformed people would be willing to adjust there
opinions and maybe even read the factbook or other correct material.
As i wrote before, i'd like to see marijuana legalized as fast as
possible for both medical and recreational purposes. However,
proper education of ALL aspects is THE keyword in my opinion.
Best wishes to all,
Bart Derks.
---
remove "tokeepitnice" from my emailadress
to send personal mail..
---
Connie Davis
to reassure you where my postings went were to those newsgroups which someone deicided to post to
us all, I have only ever been to Deja News once and that was to read something, NOT post at all, so
if there is something from me, it was by pure accident. I only subscribe to a few groups and the
ones do not include any of those in the original headers apart from ASA
:
:Hi Connie-
:
:If you read Bruce's post, you'll (perhaps) understand that I was not the
:origin of the cross-posting as I never do that. Also, this is the first
:time I recall ever missing these while replying. I'll make sure it
:doesn't happen in the future.
I did post your mailings to me when I read a comment (purporting to have come from you) and I did
include all the groups that were receiving the entire mess up. This was done because I read a
comment from you which I had believed to be posted to me privately from you. You will see that my
apology was extended to all the groups within the initial thread. If this is classed as posting to a
User net then please inform me PRIVATELY and I shall remove it to ease any tensions.
Like wise with the salutations, Good Luck, Good night and Good Bye.
ConnieD,
Dromiz
Just one question why are we talking about the drug in a epilepsy area.
Marijuana and the medications we all use here do not mix..
Unless you enjoy living in an ER. I have had the disorder for 21 yrs and
have seen the people foolishly use the 2 drugs. It is not worth losing yrs
without problems......
Don Kirkman
in article <6vr8ko$jhr$1...@camel29.mindspring.com>:
>Thank you for letting us know what we can and cannot discuss on "your"
>group.
>You don't like it--dont read--but dont tell me or anyone else on this group,
>EVERYONES GROUP, what we can or cannot discuss, that is pretty damn selfish
>of you.
>Jefe
If somebody would just take the time to read before posting, I think it
would be clear that "our group" or "your group" is different for almost
everybody posting in the thread because of the careless crossposting.
Jefe, your name isn't familiar to me as an alt.support.arthritis poster,
so I assume YOUR group is not OUR group.
What WAS said early in the thread is that medical marijuana is of little
or no interest to the arthritis support group because it simply doesn't
help enough with arthritic pain.
Therefore, PLEASE REMOVE ALT.SUPPORT.ARTHRITIS (otherwise known in
Char's post as "this board") from "YOUR groups" in the headers. Thank
you.
>charlotte le fleur wrote in message <361E5C7B...@worldnet.att.net>...
>>ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE DISCUSSING MEDICAL MARIJUANA
>>Unless what you are discussing here is relevant to the over 100 types of
>>ARHTRITIS, it has no place on this board. Please go away and discuss this
>>somewhere else.
--
Don
Toni Brush
Just wanted to welcome you to alt.support.arthritis ng. I am member of LFA
NJ chapter, wish I had the time and energy to participate more than I do.
Also am good friends w/Pat Leisy - LFA's online educator. Had the good
fortune to meet Dr Robert LaHita, from St Luke's Roosevelt Hosp in NY at
annual NJ chapter meeting. Am also member of NJ Arthritis Foundation, and in
some ways have found the Arthritis Foundation to be more helpful.
I have been having some difficulties w/my ISP and am trying to catch up on
some of these posts, just wanted to say welcome although it would seem
somewhat belated -
Toni
susan strandberg wrote in message <6vrgj6$3...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>My Name is Joan Strandberg. To show you where I am coming from, I will give
>you a short list of my illnesses: I have SLE (since 1957), RA,
>osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, Fibromaylgia, Raynaulds, sjorgrens, chronic
>pancreatisits, (brought on by the continuing use of steroids over 30
years),
>liver problems, protein, blood and calcium in my urine and my blood tests,
>I have abnormal C cells in my pancreas, chronic pain, re-active depression
>(wonder why? :). etc.
>I was the President of the Tampa Chapter of the Lupus Foundation of
America,
>Inc from 1979 to 1983..during that span of time I also served as Vice
>President, Secretary, and treasurer. When I move to NC, due to the
>continuing progression of the above, I, along with four others formed the
>Western North Carolina Chapter of LFA, I served in various offices during
>that time. I was President from 1985-1991, when I was forced to withdraw
due
>to continuing problems with my health. I still run the HOT LINE for LFA
>Connie Davis wrote in message <6vqbo9$fgs$1...@reader3.wxs.nl>...
>>Thank you Joan and sorry to hear of the utter mess that has been caused.
>Hope you feel better and
>>also FIND who did this to you!
>>ConnieD.
>>PS Why not join us, you will be made welcome I assure you!
>>
>>
>>susan strandberg wrote in message
<6vp2va$j...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>>:This is JOAN STRANDBERG, not Susan./.......I traced this awful thread as
>far
>>:back as the one posted by someone called Pollycrome/ Octobria ....this is
>>:French for October....So I think we all have been HAD! I offer my most
>>:humble apologizes to each ng that this thread has been posted to. I am
>>:subscribed to Fibro and Chronic Pain only. I am a patient with a lot of
>>:things going on..I will not bore you with the details, not because I
think
>>:you would be more understanding but only to make this perfectly clear. I
>did
>>:not start this thread, I have never done so in my life! I apologize the
>most
>>:to Char. and to Bruce..I have tried to post to him but it gets bounced.
>>:Please, I am begging you forgive me for anything that I might have posted
>>:that got cross-posted...I don't know how that happened. I am new to using
>>:the computer, only had it since Feb. and I am still learning. This has
>>:taught me a great and valuable lesson. I have so much to deal with right
>>:now, as do all of you....I do not want to get thrown off the web or have
>my
>>:Sister's name sullied. She is an artist...She has Archnoiditis, it is
>>:progressing to the point that she is on heavy duty drugs, just to keep
her
>>:on her feet. So again I ask your forgiveness for anything I have done to
>>:add to this mess. Ask the people on Chronic Pain if I am that kind of
>>:person. Sincerely, Peace for all of us! Joan Strandberg
>>:Patrick F. Coleman wrote in message <6vor1i$ils$7...@supernews.com>...
>>:>Pollychrome / Octobriana <c970...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
>>:>
>>:>>On Thrus., 8 Oct 1998, Janie wrote:
>>:>
>>:>>| The one thing I haven't seen posted lately is the tendency for some
>>:>>| men to grow breasts with regular mj use ........large enough that
they
>>:>>| need to have breast reductions. (Or wear a "mansierre", if they can
>>:>>| find one.)
>>:>
>>:>>Ha ha, I haven't heard that one before. As a male-female transsexual Id
Harvey R. Stone
harv
Mark Sweany wrote:
>
> Now showing at you local newgroup. "The Return of the Thread That
> Wouldn't Die."
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Pete Zakel
>Thank you for letting us know what we can and cannot discuss on "your"
>group.
>You don't like it--dont read--but dont tell me or anyone else on this group,
>EVERYONES GROUP, what we can or cannot discuss, that is pretty damn selfish
>of you.
Um -- exactly which group are you talking about?
If you (and everyone else) would bother to look at the Newsgroups line, you
would see that this particular thread is being read in the following groups:
talk.politics.drugs
alt.support.arthritis
alt.support.cancer
alt.support.chronic-pain
alt.support.epilepsy
I happen to be reading and responding in talk.politics.drugs -- but there is
no way anyone can tell who reads what where, or from which group a response
came from (it would be nice if the software were updated to add that info
into the headers -- but until then, we have to live with it).
I assume the crosspost came about because the original topic, medical
marijuana, is a political issue (the first group), as well as relevent to
the various applications of medical marijuana (the other four groups).
So if you want to make sure your response only goes to a particular group,
TRIM THE Newsgroups LINE WHEN YOU RESPOND! Else, please be aware that any
response will be read by people in all 5 newsgroups -- and unless you
specifically say which newsgroup you happen to be reading and responding in,
NO-ONE HAS ANY CLUE AS TO THAT INFORMATION!
Sheesh!
-Pete Zakel
(p...@seeheader.nospam)
"To be intoxicated is to feel sophisticated but not be able to say it."
Kev Martin
wrote:
>>The facts about mari jane..............
>
>Just one question why are we talking about the drug in a epilepsy area.
Seemingly because there is an area of interest surrounding the impact
marijuana might have on seizures, when used as a medication (or
otherwise I guess).
>Marijuana and the medications we all use here do not mix..
I disagree entirely. Speak for yourself. When you start making claims
like that as though they are facts, you lose the respect of your
co-posters at an alarming rate. Do you actually have **any** evidence
about them not mixing, or are you just ranting and raving here?
>Unless you enjoy living in an ER. I have had the disorder for 21 yrs and
>have seen the people foolishly use the 2 drugs. It is not worth losing yrs
>without problems......
This last paragraph doesn't really make sense but I'll try to
respond... I personally have had many. many, many grand mal seizures,
and the only one that's resulted in my going to hospital was the first
one. Even then there was no need for it to happen. I suppose one might
need emergency medical attention if one injured oneself during a
seizure, but more often such injuries can be avoided (in a number of
ways)
"The 2 drugs" - is marijuana and ....?
"Losing years without problems....." - I'm guessing that you are
suggesting here that use of marijuana could result in years with
seizures that otherwise would have been seizure-free...? Sorry, that
too sounds like a crock (at least until you qualify it with some
evidence, or at least some arguments of some kind).
Have you considered the possibility - even hypothetically - that you
are wrong? In such a case, it is possible that your remarks have
prevented people from accessing medication. Just because the various
governments of the planet are mostly opposed to marijuana use, for
whatever reason/s, **does not** mean they are automatically correct.
I can only encourage you and everyone else to make their own
decisions, based on **their own** situation.
Cheers
Kev
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Lori J. Varela
This reminds me of that old :) comic skit....."Whos on First"....
But I cannot remember the two guys names who did it...Hahahaha
RoboMom
(glad this fighting is going on outside "our" group...LOL)
SBaumga155
>But I cannot remember the two guys names who did it...Hahahaha
>
That would be Abbott and Costello
Sarah B.
:)
charlotte le fleur
Char
Lori J. Varela wrote:
> Hi harv,
>
> This reminds me of that old :) comic skit....."Whos on First"....
>
> But I cannot remember the two guys names who did it...Hahahaha
>
Bruce W.
Folks - I know you'll get a kick out of this:
From the TV show "Police Squad" (circa 1984) starring Lesllie Nielsen
BOSS: This is Sally Decker, Frank.
FRANK: Hello, Miss Decker.
SALLY: Hello.
FRANK: I'm Captian Frank Drebin. I understand you had a pretty rough time.
SALLY: Yeah, it was pretty bad.
FRANK: (offering her a cigarette) Cigarette?
SALLY: Yes, I know
FRANK: Well... do you feel up to any questions?
SALLY: I'll try.
FRANK: Where were you when all this happened?
SALLY: I was right here at my desk, working.
FRANK: And when was the first time you noticed something was wrong?
SALLY: Well, when I first heard the shot, and as I turned, Jim fell.
BOSS: Uh, he's the teller, Frank.
FRANK: Jim Fell's the teller?
SALLY: No, Jim Johnson.
FRANK: Who's Jim Fell?
BOSS: He's the auditor, Frank.
SALLY: He had the flu so Jim filled in.
FRANK: Phil who?
BOSS: Phil Din, he's the night watchman.
SALLY (crying): If only Phil had been here...
FRANK: Oh, now wait a minute, let me get this straight. Twice came in and
shot the teller and Jim Fell
SALLY: No, he only shot the teller, Jim Johnson. Fell is ill.
FRANK: OK, then after he shot the teller you shot Twice.
SALLY: No, I only shot once.
BOSS: Twice is the hold-up man.
SALLY: Then I guess I did shoot Twice.
FRANK: Well, so now you're changing your story!
SALLY: No, I shot Twice after Jim fell.
FRANK: You shot Twice AND Jim Fell?
SALLY: Jim fell first and then I shot Twice once.
FRANK: Who fired twice?
SALLY: Once!
BOSS: Uh, he's the owner of the tire company, Frank.
FRANK: Ok. Now, Once is the owner of the tire company and he fired Twice.
Then Twice shot the teller once.
SALLY: Twice.
FRANK: And Jim fell and you fired twice.
SALLY: Once.
FRANK: Ok... alright, that'll be all for now, Miss Decker.
BOSS: We'll need you to make a formal statement down at the station.
SALLY: Oh, of course!
FRANK: You've been very helpful. We think we know how he did it.
SALLY: Oh, Howie couldn't have done it, he hasn't been in for weeks!
FRANK: Well. Thank you again... (aside to BOSS) Weeks?
BOSS: Sol Weeks. He's the comptroller, Frank.
(stolen from: http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/1018/dekker.html)
by Bruce \/\/.
=+=+=+=+
charlotte le fleur wrote in message <36251664...@worldnet.att.net>...
Fred Merik
I can understand releasing this important part of the drug. But this pure
form is FAR to dangerous.
BTW I for one would like to know what the name of the group is or was...
It has gone to hell talking about Marijuana... Our topic is epilepsy not
Marijuana... Make this a group and let us talk about our need that are 100%
none related.
When these groups formed over 8yrs ago people did not break topic and spam.
This internet is going to HELL.
shug
writes
It isn't spam, it is on topic.
If you have been around 8 years, surely you have learnt how to omit
reading threads that you don't find interesting?
Shug
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