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LZ

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Aug 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/18/99
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Too lazy to read all the posts to locate the lemon question, so see
below:

Lana

Why and how:
http://www.execpc.com/~keephope/lemondrk.html
However, I would NOT follow advice about adding Nutrasweet as there's
quite a bit of evidence pointing to this being a neurotoxin.

Acid or alkaline? Some answers from contributors to a list.

From a Reams practitioner on lemon:

>Lemons are the only food which are purely anionic. The catch is that
this
is only true of fresh lemons.

>After about 30 minutes of exposure to air (oxygen), lemon juice becomes
>cationic. The confusion comes when one thinks in terms of acid and
>alkaline. Lemon juice would always be thought of as acid, but, while
>fresh, is anionic (which corresponds to alkaline). If you had an acid
>urine pH and you used Dr. Reams' lemon/water drink as he suggested,
>your pH would become more alkaline. This seems illogical when you think
>of lemon juice as acidic. But it's not, its anionic. In addition to
>fresh lemon juice, the only other thing that is purely anionic is pure
>calcium.
>
To explain anionic and cationic... an ion is a molecule with an electric
charge. An anion contains the smallest amount of energy known to man.
One
anion will contain from 1 to 499 Milhouse units of energy. It is a
negative
>charged ion. Anionic corresponds to alkaline. Its electrons orbit
>around the nucleus in a clockwise direction.
>
>A cation corresponds to acid. One cation will contain from 500 to 999
>Milhouse units of energy. It is a positive charged ion. Its electrons
>orbit in a counter-clockwise direction. When a cation gains more than
>999 Milhouse units of energy, it splits into two anions.
>
>According to Reams, anions are attracted to the Van Allen radiation
>belt around the earth. Cations are attracted to the earth itself.
>Cationic foods include potatoes, carrots, beets and other root
>vegetables, which grow into the earth because of their cationic
>composition. They are not wholly cationic, however; the flowering,
>leafy part is anionic, which is why it grows upwards (actually, even
>the roots are part cationic and anionic, but mostly cationic). Corn,
>tomatoes, etc., are mostly anionic and grow upwards, but their cationic
>root parts grow down into the earth.
>
>According to Reams, the key issue here concerns our digestive process.
>The gastric juice produced by the liver is anionic. All foods (except
>fresh lemons) are a varying mixture of cationic and anionic. When the
>anionic gastric juices come into contact with cationic foods, the two
>ions react to each other, much like vinegar and baking soda, and energy
>is released to be used by the body. Let me quote from Dr. Reams, "We do
>not live off the food we eat, we live off the energy from the food we
>eat. The anion rotates in a clockwise direction. The cation in a
>counter-clockwise direction. Resistance is created when these two
>moving forces, rotating in opposite directions, collide. The measure of
>the resistance, in chemistry, is called "pH". When a person gets sick,
>there are not enough anionic substances present to supply the energy he
>needs from the cationic foods eaten." Add to that the issue of the
>foods being demineralized, and the problem becomes more serious.
>
>Dr. Reams used fresh lemon juice as a part of a restorative therapy
>with his clients (one part juice to nine parts distilled water). The
>juice provided anionic substances to their livers.
>
>To Reams, the issue was not eating an alkaline or acid diet, but giving
>your body what it needed, which focused especially on the right kinds
>of calciums. When I test a client's urine/saliva pH, I am looking to
>see how efficient their digestion is, which is one of the first issues
>to rectify, because, if you can't digest it, how can you utilize it?
>The proper calciums provide the body with those elements that are
>necessary for the body to manufacture essential digestive juices. The
>pH tests also indicate the speed and efficiency of the digestion
>(alkaline pH means slower digestion, acid pH means faster digestion),
>the level of minerals available to be used by the body, the
>strength/efficiency of the insulin, the mineral reserve (what is left)
>in the body, and they effect the interpretation of the other numbers
>from the test. Dr. Reams said that if you could only do one test, the
>pH test would be the most important.
>
>The lemon/water therapy is so effective, many people
>experience a healing crisis when they do it. But don't think of it as
>lemon juice, think of it as supplying your liver with the anionic
>materials it needs to correct unbalanced metabolic chemistry.
>
>
From a nutritionist:

>> Here is what I have to say about the citric acid/lemon/pH. In my
>> practice, I do warn my clients against eating too much citrus fruit
if
>> their body is acid. But I don't think medium amounts
>> will cause a large problem. As far as lemon goes, according to
>>Dr. Reams, lemon is the only >anionic food we have, and thus is not
>> considered as an acid in the diet. And instead, is used as a
>>cleansing agent. Many people that come to me are put on Lemon water at
>>the rate of 4 ounces every hour given on the 1/2 hour and then given
>> distilled water on the hour. The purpose of this is to flush toxins
out
>> of the body. When people are overloaded with toxins we don't give
>> them too much lemon water as it will possibly cause problems
>> with a toxic overload. So if you get to feeling really bad on the
>> diet, you may need to cut back on the lemon until you get to
>> feeling better. Be sure to drink you distilled (or at least filtered)
water
>> between the lemon water. Dr. Reams used the ratio of 1 part lemon to
9
>> parts water to make his lemon water.

Honeymonster

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Aug 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/19/99
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In article <#BHOgOd6#GA.309@cpmsnbbsa03>, sz...@email.msn.com (LZ) wrote:

> An anion contains the smallest amount of energy known to man.
> One


Actually at this time I have slightly less energy than that.

Alan

Leola

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Aug 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/19/99
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Aloha Lana,

Thank you!! Now this is some information I can really sink my teeth into
(pun intended) ... and wrap my brain around, which actually _explains_ a
fascinating process about the ph situation concerning lemons/citrus/acid
... the cationic and anionic processes are very interesting.

I'm so _very_ relieved that I'm not the only person who thought it:
"seems illogical" (in the words of the Reams practitioner).

I'm printing this up and will to re-read it a few times to be sure I
absorb it. I've also checked out the website and read it - and yes, of
course I avoid Nutrisweet - yecchhh, toxin soup.

Many thanks, again
--
Leola

~~ Keep in mind always the present you are constructing. It should
be the future you want. ~~

- Alice Walker

Leola

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Aug 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/20/99
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Leola wrote:
>
> LZ wrote:
> >
> > Too lazy to read all the posts to locate the lemon question, so see
> > below:
> >
> > Lana


Aloha again,

Something I just noticed was this particular paragraph below, which I
think is crucial to many of us with hepatitis:

> > >To Reams, the issue was not eating an alkaline or acid diet, but giving
> > >your body what it needed, which focused especially on the right kinds
> > >of calciums. When I test a client's urine/saliva pH, I am looking to
> > >see how efficient their digestion is, which is one of the first issues
> > >to rectify, because, if you can't digest it, how can you utilize it?

Exellent point - I was given something called "Permeabiliy Factor" by my
TCM doc about 4 years ago because my food wasn't being digested
properly; it was going through my system way too fast. After a few
months on that product (and some acidopholous/bifidus) ... _and_
avoiding all citrus, my digestive system normalized better.

> > >The proper calciums provide the body with those elements that are
> > >necessary for the body to manufacture essential digestive juices. The
> > >pH tests also indicate the speed and efficiency of the digestion
> > >(alkaline pH means slower digestion, acid pH means faster digestion),

That's what was happening with me, and something we are now looking into
again as a possibility that may be happening again ... acid pH, fast
digestion ...

> > >the level of minerals available to be used by the body, the
> > >strength/efficiency of the insulin, the mineral reserve (what is left)
> > >in the body, and they effect the interpretation of the other numbers
> > >from the test. Dr. Reams said that if you could only do one test, the
> > >pH test would be the most important.

I think most of us with hepatitis have problems with our whole
gastrointestinal systems in one way or another, as evidenced by the
disproportionately large numbers of us with ulcers, gall bladder
problems, and other GI disorders.

Thanks again Lana, I always learn from your posts (or laugh at them).
<g>

Be well,

Pete Zakel

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Aug 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/20/99
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In article <#BHOgOd6#GA.309@cpmsnbbsa03> "LZ" <sz...@email.msn.com> writes:

>>Anionic corresponds to alkaline. Its electrons orbit
>>around the nucleus in a clockwise direction.

I got to this part and got stopped dead!

Electrons do NOT orbit in a "clockwise" or a "counterclockwise" direction.
They don't even technically orbit at all, in the way that planets orbit.

And note that planets don't orbit "clockwise" or "counterclockwise" either,
since the direction is relative to whether you are above or below the orbital
plane looking at it.

-Pete Zakel
(p...@seeheader.nospam)

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."

-Dan Quayle

Honeymonster

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Aug 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/20/99
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In article <7pkhrr$c07$1...@news.cadence.com>, px...@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
wrote:

> In article <#BHOgOd6#GA.309@cpmsnbbsa03> "LZ" <sz...@email.msn.com>
> > > writes:
>
> >>Anionic corresponds to alkaline. Its electrons orbit
> >>around the nucleus in a clockwise direction.
>
> I got to this part and got stopped dead!
>
> Electrons do NOT orbit in a "clockwise" or a "counterclockwise"
> direction.
> They don't even technically orbit at all, in the way that planets orbit.
>
> And note that planets don't orbit "clockwise" or "counterclockwise"
> either,
> since the direction is relative to whether you are above or below the
> orbital
> plane looking at it.
>
> -Pete Zakel
> (p...@seeheader.nospam)


You are being pedantic aren't you?

Alan

Honeymonster

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Aug 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/21/99
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In article <7pkhrr$c07$1...@news.cadence.com>, px...@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
wrote:

> In article <#BHOgOd6#GA.309@cpmsnbbsa03> "LZ" <sz...@email.msn.com>
> > > writes:
>
> >>Anionic corresponds to alkaline. Its electrons orbit
> >>around the nucleus in a clockwise direction.
>
> I got to this part and got stopped dead!
>
> Electrons do NOT orbit in a "clockwise" or a "counterclockwise"
> direction.
> They don't even technically orbit at all, in the way that planets orbit.

> -Pete Zakel
> (p...@seeheader.nospam)

You are just being pedantic here. Neither do sub atomic particles have
"charm" or "colours" or "Up" or "down" positions. These are simply
convenient labels used to describe a process in terms that can be
understood by everybody. You just want to pick holes in everything
because the interferon is making you grumpy.

>
> "Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our
> children."
>
> -Dan Quayle


Isn't that just typical big-headed teacher arrogance? Parents are the
biggest and best teachers any child can ever have. This goes along with
the same mentality that says that doctors know best what is good for your
health! Dan Quayle is an obvious imbecile!


Alan

Pete Zakel

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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In article <memo.19990820...@aquinoa.freeserve.co.uk.freeserve.co.uk> honeym...@runningoutofsteam.co.uk writes:
>In article <7pkhrr$c07$1...@news.cadence.com>, px...@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
>wrote:
>> In article <#BHOgOd6#GA.309@cpmsnbbsa03> "LZ" <sz...@email.msn.com>
>> > > writes:

>> >>Anionic corresponds to alkaline. Its electrons orbit
>> >>around the nucleus in a clockwise direction.

>> Electrons do NOT orbit in a "clockwise" or a "counterclockwise"
>> direction.

>You are being pedantic aren't you?

Not at all, articles that seem to be scientific but in fact are pseudo-
scientific need to be called on it.

I expect any truly scientific article to be consistent with scientific
knowledge at all times. Once you introduce pseudo-science, non-science
or nonsense into such an article, it casts doubt on the veracity of the
entire article.

If I were reading an astronomical article and the author started waxing
eloquent about the astrological influence of Jupiter on our lives, I would
immediately question all other astronomical pronouncements in the same
article.

-Pete Zakel
(p...@seeheader.nospam)

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."

-Dan Quayle

Pete Zakel

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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>You are just being pedantic here. Neither do sub atomic particles have
>"charm" or "colours" or "Up" or "down" positions. These are simply
>convenient labels used to describe a process in terms that can be
>understood by everybody.

No, not at all. These are labels for conditions that are only truly
understood by physicists (and in some cases not truly understood at all)
but that reflect very real conditions that can be measured.

It's like the direction "north". It is an arbitrary name for the the
magnetic pole of the earth that the "north-seeking" pole of a magnetic is
attracted to (the south pole of the earth actually corresponds to the same
magnetic state as the "north" pole of a magnet).

In the case of talking about electrons orbiting in a clockwise or counter-
clockwise direction, that is simple nonsense. No physicist or electrical
scientist would use such an expression.

Now, molecules and electrons *can* be said to have a condition known as
"spin", but that has nothing to do with orbital directions of electons around
a nucleus. There just ain't no such thing as a clockwise or counterclockwise
orbital direction of electrons.

-Pete Zakel
(p...@seeheader.nospam)

"Gee, Mudhead, everyone at Morse Science High has an extracurricular
activity except you."
"Well, gee, doesn't Louise count?"
"Only to ten, Mudhead."
-Firesign Theater

Honeymonster

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Aug 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/24/99
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In article <7psha8$dvq$1...@news.cadence.com>, px...@cadence.com
(Pete Zakel) wrote:

> It's like the direction "north". It is an arbitrary name for
the the
> magnetic pole of the earth that the "north-seeking" pole of a
magnetic
> is
> attracted to (the south pole of the earth actually corresponds
to the
> same
> magnetic state as the "north" pole of a magnet).


As we now seem to require such accuracy then North is the
direction towards the North Pole. Magnetic North is somewhere
completely different and it moves around!

> In the case of talking about electrons orbiting in a clockwise
or
> counter-
> clockwise direction, that is simple nonsense. No physicist or
> electrical
> scientist would use such an expression.

> Now, molecules and electrons *can* be said to have a condition
known as
> "spin", but that has nothing to do with orbital directions of
electons
> around
> a nucleus. There just ain't no such thing as a clockwise or
> counterclockwise
> orbital direction of electrons.

No! You are quite right but this isn't a physics newsgroup! I
fell into that trap with a post about micro-wave ovens and it
caused much ill-feeling.


Alan

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