An example of why Linux sucks.
Dan The Diaper Man
I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community
at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source
based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing
as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying
technology.
I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to
back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult
for, we wanted to integrate the shareware version of Linux into our
server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing
fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of
several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high
that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which
were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of
serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.
I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in
VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't
believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go
just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code
that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the
system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to
increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3
machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say
the results were less than impressive...
We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for the
desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as a
"server" based operating system. The
3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that
they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise"
environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had
experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted,
Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in
their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full
fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that
the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled
filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that
since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with
some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour,
we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't
a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines
instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server
pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the
Linux boxes.
Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my
clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the
free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the
old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have
also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that
we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks
of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the
same freedoms as the GPL.
As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to
compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming,
but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows
98/NT/2K are your only choices.
thank you for your time,
Frankovich
ALIEN
woah WOAH you sure did use a VERY old version of LINUX.
well if you tried it again now then you would see some breakthroughs!
Since i don't know anything about apache, bind, and samba i can comment only
the following:
" Not to mention the fact that
> the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled
> filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that
> since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with
> some level of stability."
Three years ago Linux did had some of these bugs and problems. But now they
are fixed. Reiser FS, jfx (made by IBM), xfs (made by SGI) and ext3fs are
journaled file systems. The latest versions of the kernel have a new memory
scheduler. Linux did lacked in Multiprocessor support three years ago but
now the bugs are fixed. In every distro you'll find the default kernel that
supports 1 processor and the smp kernel that supports many.
Oh and don't forget Beowulf (www.beowulf.org). It's an opensource technology
for linux that enables clustered super computing. It was developed by some
academics who were creating "helo world" applications and now it has made
linux the os of supercomputers.
Nvidia has farms of linux boxes that carry out the number crunching
simulations of their products.
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> At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult
> for, we wanted to integrate the shareware version of Linux into our
> server pool.
Whoa. Shareware version of Linux? The rest of the post is bullshit too!!!
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Get out from under Microsoft's thumb...give'em the finger...use Linux.
Best link I've found to explain things:
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html
Robert M. Stockmann
> I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think I
> can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community at
> the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source based
> startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing as it's
> commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying technology.
The reason linux and open source is gaining interest, is certainly not
that linux is bad or old technology. On the contrary. With linux and open
source its actually only the technology and the no_strings_attached
aspect thats interesting. Finally a working server OS is emerging which
has no marketing FUD or Hype attached.
> I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to
> back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult
> for, we wanted to integrate the shareware version of Linux into our
> server pool.
First off, linux is no shareware, and will never be. Shareware is
software which indeed can be had for free or a small fee, but it comes
without source. So no possibility to bugfix/enhance or use components of
the software in other projects, without the aid of the Shareware author.
> The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing
> fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of several
> boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high that it would
> perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which were(and still are!)
> doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of serving HTTP requests,
> DNS, and fileserving.
>
> I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in
> VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't believe
> in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go just as
> low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code that's every
> bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the system from scratch
> and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to increase the execution
> speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3 machines I had configured into
> the server pool, and I'd have to say the results were less than
> impressive... We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for
> the desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as
> a "server" based operating system. The 3 machines all went into swap
> immediately, and it was obvious that they weren't going to be able to
> handle the load in this "enterprise" environment.
First off running a linux server today with kernel 2.4.9 is indeed not a
wise thing to do, cause it indeed has VM memory problems. Today kernel
2.4.19 or 2.4.20 runs rock solid. As for linux not ready for the desktop
i can only dismiss that as FUD. Just install Mandrake 9.1 or SuSE 8.2 and
run on both of them KDE 3.1. No this Linux desktop FUD i won't buy.
> After running for less
> than 24 hours, 2 of them had experienced kernel panics caused by Bind
> and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project
> written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has
> an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not
> to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for
> any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc,
> but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it
> would run with some level of stability. After several days of this type
> of behaviour, we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make
> sure it wasn't a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong.
> The machines instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into
> the server pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3
> of the Linux boxes.
Well you seem to have not only installed the wrong kernel, but apparently
hit some wrong 'buttons' on your Linux servers. Well that can happen,
no-one is a experienced Linux admin overnight.
>
> Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my
> clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the free
> cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the old
> adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have also
> liked to have access to the source code of the applications that we're
> running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks of it,
> the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the same
> freedoms as the GPL.
Shared source is a false duck and certainly is not GPL. On the contrary,
if you spot a bug inside microsoft shared source, your not allowed to fix
it. Only microsoft can, and if Microsoft marketing sales policy's don't
seem to fit your spotted bug and fix, you are then just unlucky.
>
> As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to compile
> simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming, but I'm
> afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows 98/NT/2K are your
> only choices.
Well as for you being a fortune500 IT consultant, i would maybe pay a
visit at IBM's. They apparently speak the fortune500 language very well.
>
> thank you for your time,
It was a interesting read, i think the most important conclusion of your
failure at first attempt with Linux is, IMHO, of course lack of
experience. Maybe not lack of UNIX knowhow, but more the lack of insider
knowledge like which version runs great and which versions to avoid. Same
story holds for being a CCIE or CCNA : The best cisco experts are the
ones who know which IOS versions run the best on which routers and whith
what tasks as being the most important. Having the experience and knowledge
how to program the IOS routers is what every fresh CCNA of course has.
Its all about real working experience with your specific specialism which
determines if your succesfull or unlucky.
regards,
Robert
d2003xx
diaper_dan_th...@yahoo.com (Dan The Diaper Man) writes:
>
> As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to
> compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming,
> but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows
> 98/NT/2K are your only choices.
sounds like those companies listed in fortune 500 are all too poor to
buy non-x86 computers? :D
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Linønut
> I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies
Name two of them, and show you really work for them.
Otherwise, the rest of your post is crap.
> I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community
> at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source
> based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing
> as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying
> technology.
Crap. Pure unadulterated crap. Smells like a dead flatfish, shining
beautifully in the moonlight.
>
> I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to
> back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult
> for, we wanted to integrate the shareware version of Linux into our
> server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing
> fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of
> several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high
> that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which
> were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of
> serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.
>
> I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in
> VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming.
Ahhhh, the Diaper Man is merely shitting jokes. Keep it up Diaper Man.
I hope you have an absorbent lining.
Linønut
>> As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to
>> compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming,
>> but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows
>> 98/NT/2K are your only choices.
>
> sounds like those companies listed in fortune 500 are all too poor to
> buy non-x86 computers? :D
Good point, Taiwanese friend!
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d2003xx
Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> writes:
Because usenet.com is the only free NNTP server that supports
posting. (the one provided by my ISP is too crappy)
Mike
[a long snippable rant]
Thanks, Dan. Glad we could finally get that cleared up.
-- Mike --
paul cooke
>> Why must you subsist on advertising? Does it feed your family?
>
> Because usenet.com is the only free NNTP server that supports
> posting. (the one provided by my ISP is too crappy)
no it's because you /can't/ /hide/ when posting through your real account.
Usenet.com's only advantage is that you are posting annonymously.
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<snip plagiarism>
You should be ashamed of yourself; that troll was ripped straight out
of Adequacy.org (may they rest in peace). It was a good troll, but you have
defiled the memory of one of the most intelligent and insightful think tanks on
the internet. You get a thumbs down from me sir,
Richard
Linønut
>> Why must you subsist on advertising? Does it feed your family?
>
> Because usenet.com is the only free NNTP server that supports
> posting. (the one provided by my ISP is too crappy)
You can always set up your own NNTP on your own Linux box.
Kadaitcha Man
> You can always set up your own NNTP on your own Linux box.
Don't look now, headfuck, but NNTP is a built-in component of Windows these
days...
Microsoft NNTP Service
Creating newsgroups with Microsoft NNTP Service makes it easy for users in
your organization to engage in discussions on various topics with each other
and with users outside the organization.
This section explains how to operate Microsoft NNTP Service. It also
describes the two administration tools for operating Microsoft NNTP Service.
This section contains:
a.. Install Microsoft NNTP Service
b.. Use Administration Tools
c.. Start, Stop, and Pause NNTP Virtual Servers
d.. Start, Stop, and Pause Microsoft NNTP Service
e.. Use Virtual Directories to Store Articles on Multiple Disk Drives
f.. Manage Newsgroups
g.. Configure Security
h.. Process Control Messages
i.. Index Newsgroups with Microsoft Indexing Services
j.. Create Additional NNTP Virtual Servers
Creating an NNTP Virtual Server
You can create as many Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) virtual servers
as you need. Each virtual server should have a unique IP address/TCP port
combination. Although it is possible to have multiple NNTP virtual servers
on a single IP address by using a different TCP port for each one, this is
not recommended because the client software must then be specially
configured to use the non-standard TCP port.
To create a new NNTP virtual server using Microsoft Management Console
1.. Configure the IP address for the NNTP virtual server by selecting
Settings on the Start menu, and then click Network and Dial-Up Connections.
2.. Using Microsoft Management Console, select an existing NNTP virtual
server. On the Action menu, point to New, and then click Virtual Server.
3.. Follow the instructions of the New NNTP Virtual Server Wizard. Be sure
to select an IP address that is not being used by another NNTP virtual
server.
4.. The new NNTP virtual server will start automatically. However, if you
have assigned it an IP address/TCP port combination that is already in use,
it won't start. You will have to reconfigure the IP address/TCP port
combination to one that is unique.
5.. Configure the new NNTP virtual server.
<walks off whistling>
Kadaitcha Man
> You can always set up your own NNTP on your own Linux box.
Don't look now, headfuck, but NNTP is a built-in component of Windows these
rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>> You can always set up your own NNTP on your own Linux box.
>
> Don't look now, headfuck, but NNTP is a built-in component of Windows
> these days...
M$ can't even make a decent news READER, what makes you think that the
server is any better?
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Will the third world war keep "Bosom Buddies" off the air?
Kadaitcha Man
> Error log for Mon, 05 May 2003 21:28:19 +1000: segfault in module
> Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>
>>> You can always set up your own NNTP on your own Linux box.
>>
>> Don't look now, headfuck, but NNTP is a built-in component of Windows
>> these days...
>
> M$ can't even make a decent news READER, what makes you think that the
> server is any better?
What makes you think it isn't? Who gives a fuck what you think? Why should
anyone waste their time explaining anything to you, you fucked in the head,
one-eyed retard? What sort of dumb cunt takes time to explain anything to
you when they know full well all they're going to get is FRZ linux vomit
chucked at them? Hmmm? You blew it a fortnight back with your dismissal of
real-world security as, and I quote, "fantastical notions of armed guards
and A1 security to store backups".
Never will there be a day when I take time to explain anything to you, you
chopfuck. You just make sure that "KEEP OUT - rapkat's bedroom" sign is
always up on your bedroom door and you won't ever have to worry about a
thing.
rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Error log for Mon, 05 May 2003 21:28:19 +1000: segfault in module
>> Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>>
>>>> You can always set up your own NNTP on your own Linux box.
>>>
>>> Don't look now, headfuck, but NNTP is a built-in component of Windows
>>> these days...
>>
>> M$ can't even make a decent news READER, what makes you think that the
>> server is any better?
>
> What makes you think it isn't?
Maybe because I've actually used it? It works just fine for a local
closed network, just don't get any ideas about replicating real newsgroups
or it consumes resources like a gluttonous goat with the munchies and is
slow as hell.
> Who gives a fuck what you think? Why should anyone waste their time
> explaining anything to you, you fucked in the head, one-eyed retard?
> What sort of dumb cunt takes time to explain anything to you when they
> know full well all they're going to get is FRZ linux vomit chucked at
> them? Hmmm? You blew it a fortnight back with your dismissal of
> real-world security as, and I quote, "fantastical notions of armed
> guards and A1 security to store backups".
Awww....did your widdle fantasy get blown out of the water? Too bad.
> Never will there be a day when I take time to explain anything to you,
> you chopfuck.
You're welcome, grasshopper. The next time you want another lesson, just
let me know and I'll be glad to enlighten you.
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This sentence no verb.
Kadaitcha Man
> Maybe because I've actually used it?
Then you'd know which plug-in to start, wouldn't you? Name it.
>> Who gives a fuck what you think? Why should anyone waste their time
>> explaining anything to you, you fucked in the head, one-eyed retard?
>> What sort of dumb cunt takes time to explain anything to you when
>> they know full well all they're going to get is FRZ linux vomit
>> chucked at them? Hmmm? You blew it a fortnight back with your
>> dismissal of real-world security as, and I quote, "fantastical
>> notions of armed guards and A1 security to store backups".
>
> Awww....did your widdle fantasy get blown out of the water? Too bad.
You stupid fuck. You have no idea of real corporate security, have you? All
you know is your mum stays out of your room when your keep out sign is up
and that's all you care about.
>> Never will there be a day when I take time to explain anything to
>> you, you chopfuck.
>
> You're welcome, grasshopper. The next time you want another lesson,
> just let me know and I'll be glad to enlighten you.
PFFFT!
Evpuneq Erivf
>> Because usenet.com is the only free NNTP server that supports posting.
>> (the one provided by my ISP is too crappy)
Dfn is free and allows posting, and all without advertising too.
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Evpuneq Erivf
> M$ can't even make a decent news READER, what makes you think that the
> server is any better?
It isn't - at work they switched over from one NNTP server on AIX serving
10,000 users to three Winders NNTP servers for the same userbase (NA,
Europe and rest-of-world).
News now takes forever to propogate, keeps unthreading, is very slow,
hangs up totally when _one_ person is grabbing a binary and keeps on
crashing. It's almost as much as a disaster as their migration from notes
to exchange.
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rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe because I've actually used it?
>
> Then you'd know which plug-in to start, wouldn't you? Name it.
What?!? There is no "plug-in" to start, doof. But there is a setup
dialog to complete.
Now, since you are such an expert, how do you go about setting an external
server to replicate from and the frequency after initial setup?
>>> Who gives a fuck what you think? Why should anyone waste their time
>>> explaining anything to you, you fucked in the head, one-eyed retard?
>>> What sort of dumb cunt takes time to explain anything to you when they
>>> know full well all they're going to get is FRZ linux vomit chucked at
>>> them? Hmmm? You blew it a fortnight back with your dismissal of
>>> real-world security as, and I quote, "fantastical notions of armed
>>> guards and A1 security to store backups".
>>
>> Awww....did your widdle fantasy get blown out of the water? Too bad.
>
> You stupid fuck. You have no idea of real corporate security, have you?
> All you know is your mum stays out of your room when your keep out sign
> is up and that's all you care about.
>
>>> Never will there be a day when I take time to explain anything to you,
>>> you chopfuck.
>>
>> You're welcome, grasshopper. The next time you want another lesson,
>> just let me know and I'll be glad to enlighten you.
>
> PFFFT!
Sprung a leak, or was that the sound of your ego being deflated?
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chrisv
(Dan The Diaper Man) wrote:
>The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing
>fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of
>several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high
>that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which
>were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of
>serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.
"AMAZING" for a Windoze box is only having to reboot once a week.
Linønut
> Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> wrote:
>
>> You can always set up your own NNTP on your own Linux box.
>
> Don't look now, headfuck, but NNTP is a built-in component of Windows these
> days...
What, on XP Home?
Har har hardee har har.
> Microsoft NNTP Service
> Creating newsgroups with Microsoft NNTP Service makes it easy for users in
> your organization to engage in discussions on various topics with each other
> and with users outside the organization.
This stuff you quote says nothing about it being a built-in component.
> 5.. Configure the new NNTP virtual server.
>
> <walks off whistling>
What are you whistling for numbnuts? You act like I said that
there were no NNTP servers for Windows.
I guess it is true, Windows makes you stoopid.
GreyCloud
Guffaw!
<html>
<form>
<input type crash>
</form>
</html>
Kadaitcha Man
> Error log for Mon, 05 May 2003 23:12:11 +1000: segfault in module
> Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>
>> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe because I've actually used it?
>>
>> Then you'd know which plug-in to start, wouldn't you? Name it.
>
> What?!? There is no "plug-in" to start, doof. But there is a setup
> dialog to complete.
Thank you. good bye.
<fx: starts MMC console and runs up IIS 6.0 plug-in>
Kadaitcha Man
> This stuff you quote says nothing about it being a built-in component.
> What are you whistling for numbnuts? You act like I said that
> there were no NNTP servers for Windows.
<whistles some more>
alw
> thank you for your time,
So many words just to say that you are a certified retard. You wasted
everyone's time with a lame example of your shear incompetence.
Funny, I've read about a bunch of Fortune 500 companies successfully
migrating to Linux without a glitch... stick with your kiddie VB bullshit
and quite trying to sound smarter than what you really are.
moron.
alw
>
> <whistles some more>
<as he falls in his fat ugly face>
rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>>> Then you'd know which plug-in to start, wouldn't you? Name it.
>>
>> What?!? There is no "plug-in" to start, doof. But there is a setup
>> dialog to complete.
>
> Thank you. good bye.
>
> <fx: starts MMC console and runs up IIS 6.0 plug-in>
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA!!!!
That's what you called a "plug-in"?!? *snork*
It was funny with the EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me again, I
love it!
Hey, can you tell me what "plug-in" I would have "start" to run DNS
services? How about the "plug-in" that I need to enable ADS? Where do I
get these "plug-ins" from?
Oh yeah, and just a FYI, you don't have to "start" these services, they
are on by default with Windows Server versions. Some more of that great
security that you so highly recommend.
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Never let your schooling interfere with your education.
bill shine
> I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in
> VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming.
Please tell me which "kernels" are written in visual basic.
Looking at VB before .Net, it must have been tricky doing kernel level
programming in VB without threads, event flags, mutexes, etc....
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Kadaitcha Man
> That's what you called a "plug-in"?!? snork
Snap-ins, plug-ins, same thing really in MMC. Don't choke just yet, I'm not
done with you. Of course, you're now going obfuscate on terminology to avoid
the admitting spanking you're about to get...
> It was funny with the EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me
> again, I love it!
Really? Let's see...
[snip]
> Oh yeah, and just a FYI, you don't have to "start" these services,
> they are on by default with Windows Server versions.
Ahem... Really? How entertaining of you.
IIS 6.0 is fully locked down by default
"When you install IIS, the service is installed in a highly secure and
locked mode. By default, IIS serves only static content, which means that
features such as Active Server Pages (ASP), ASP.NET, Indexing Service,
server-side includes (SSI), Web Distributed Authoring and Versioning
(WebDAV), and FrontPage Server Extensions do not work unless you enable
them."
STRIKE ONE!
"If you do not enable this functionality after installing IIS, IIS returns a
404 error. You can serve dynamic content and enable these features through
the Web Service Extensions node in IIS Manager. Also, if an application
extension is not mapped in IIS, IIS returns a 404 error."
STRIKE TWO!
"IIS includes the File Transfer Protocol (FTP) service for publishing and
managing files. This version of IIS includes FTP user isolation to help
administrators (particularly Internet hosting providers) efficiently secure
and commercialize FTP services for their customers. The FTP service is not
installed by default. To set up an FTP site, you must first install the FTP
service ..."
STRIKE THREE! YOU'RE OUT!
And just to make sure that you stay out...
"The SMTP service is not installed by default. You must install the SMTP
service using the ..."
STRIKE FOUR!
"The NNTP service is not installed by default. You must install the NNTP
service using the ..."
STRIKE FIVE!
"Important ... IIS is not installed ... by default. Furthermore, when you
initially install IIS, the service is installed in a highly secure and
"locked" mode. By default, IIS serves only static content ..."
STRIKE SIX!
Now look, it really is just too easy for you to say "It was funny with the
EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me again..." but the fact of the
matter is, you really should take a shower to clean off all that rotten egg
that's running down your face.
rapskat
Thrippleton - dump details are as follows...
Yeah, I seem to remember seeing this exact same post in this group almost
a year ago.
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Jim Lascola
> I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think
BS Snipped
You DONT work for my Fortune500 Company.
We have 2000 server but for the Real Servers we Run *nix including
AIX, RedHat and We also have AS400's
BTW i just rebooted 2000 Server after it locked up just 10 minutes ago
i got the page from 1 of our 200 MSCE Fellows.
Funny I have never recieved a call from our *nix or As400 People to
Please help them and reboot the server.
LIAR
Jim
Linønut
> Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> wrote:
<voice type="drone">
I love you, K-Man!
</voice>
Linønut
> On Sun, 04 May 2003 17:25:26 +0000, Dan The Diaper Man wrote:
>
>> I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in
>> VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming.
> Please tell me which "kernels" are written in visual basic.
> Looking at VB before .Net, it must have been tricky doing kernel level
> programming in VB without threads, event flags, mutexes, etc....
They have those!
DIM X AS THREAD WITH EVENT FLAGS
rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
> Now look, it really is just too easy for you to say "It was funny with the
> EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me again..." but the fact of the
> matter is, you really should take a shower to clean off all that rotten egg
> that's running down your face.
Better look again...
Message-ID: <pan.2002.09.23....@hotmail.com>
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You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise
salesman.
Kadaitcha Man
> Error log for Tue, 06 May 2003 12:50:55 +1000: segfault in module
> Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>
>> Now look, it really is just too easy for you to say "It was funny
>> with the EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me again..." but
>> the fact of the matter is, you really should take a shower to clean
>> off all that rotten egg that's running down your face.
>
> Better look again...
>
> Message-ID: pan.2002.09.23....@hotmail.com
You might give a fuck about message IDs and who posted what and when. I
don't. If you have an issue with the post identified by that message ID,
take it up with whoever it was that posted it, you dumbfuck cunt. Don't come
bleating to me.
rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Error log for Tue, 06 May 2003 12:50:55 +1000: segfault in module
>> Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>>
>>> Now look, it really is just too easy for you to say "It was funny with
>>> the EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me again..." but the fact
>>> of the matter is, you really should take a shower to clean off all
>>> that rotten egg that's running down your face.
>>
>> Better look again...
>>
>> Message-ID: pan.2002.09.23....@hotmail.com
>
> You might give a fuck about message IDs and who posted what and when. I
> don't. If you have an issue with the post identified by that message ID,
> take it up with whoever it was that posted it, you dumbfuck cunt. Don't
> come bleating to me.
So, you're too stupid to even know how to look up a post? Figures.
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-- Karl Kraus
Kadaitcha Man
> Error log for Tue, 06 May 2003 15:26:50 +1000: segfault in module
> Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>
>> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Error log for Tue, 06 May 2003 12:50:55 +1000: segfault in module
>>> Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>>>
>>>> Now look, it really is just too easy for you to say "It was funny
>>>> with the EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me again..." but
>>>> the fact of the matter is, you really should take a shower to
>>>> clean off all that rotten egg that's running down your face.
>>>
>>> Better look again...
>>>
>>> Message-ID: pan.2002.09.23....@hotmail.com
>>
>> You might give a fuck about message IDs and who posted what and
>> when. I don't. If you have an issue with the post identified by that
>> message ID, take it up with whoever it was that posted it, you
>> dumbfuck cunt. Don't come bleating to me.
>
> So, you're too stupid to even know how to look up a post? Figures.
Bleat! Bleat! Bleat!
> Oh yeah, and just a FYI, you don't have to "start" these services,
> they are on by default with Windows Server versions.
BWAHAHAHA!!!
> fantastical notions of armed guards and A1 security to store backups
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
d2003xx
The liar paul cooke <paul_cooke@linux_NO_SPAM_mail.org> writes:
> d2003xx wrote:
>
> >> Why must you subsist on advertising? Does it feed your family?
> >
> > Because usenet.com is the only free NNTP server that supports
> > posting. (the one provided by my ISP is too crappy)
>
> no it's because you /can't/ /hide/ when posting through your real
> account. Usenet.com's only advantage is that you are posting
> annonymously.
I don't post via the server provided by my ISP because it can't post
to *.emacs.* NGs and alt.os.windows-xp, and it sometimes lose my
messages.
>
> <http://www.usenet.com/privacy.htm>
My IP 61.70.221.93 is shown in the headers. Please do some research
before lying. moron.
<sigh>
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rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>> So, you're too stupid to even know how to look up a post? Figures.
>
> Bleat! Bleat! Bleat!
So you are then.
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Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
On Thu, 08 May 2003 12:27:43 -0500,
rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Error log for Tue, 06 May 2003 16:40:12 +1000: segfault in module
> Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
>
>>> So, you're too stupid to even know how to look up a post? Figures.
>>
>> Bleat! Bleat! Bleat!
>
> So you are then.
>
If the question was "Is Kbitch too stupid to do <X>?" the answer is
usually yes.
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Linux, because eventually, you grow up enough to be trusted with a fork()
rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
> Now look, it really is just too easy for you to say "It was funny with the
> EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me again..." but the fact of the
> matter is, you really should take a shower to clean off all that rotten egg
> that's running down your face.
Look again...
Message-ID: <pan.2002.09.23....@hotmail.com>
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Worrying is like rocking in a rocking chair -- It gives you something to do,
but it doesn't get you anywhere.
rapskat
Kadaitcha Man - dump details are as follows...
> Now look, it really is just too easy for you to say "It was funny with the
> EFS thread, and now you are entertaining me again..." but the fact of the
> matter is, you really should take a shower to clean off all that rotten egg
> that's running down your face.
Look again...
Message-ID: <pan.2002.09.23....@hotmail.com>
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d2003xx
> On Mon, 05 May 2003 06:01:53 -0500, d2003xx wrote:
>
> >> Because usenet.com is the only free NNTP server that supports posting.
> >> (the one provided by my ISP is too crappy)
>
thanks :)
Mr.Smith
"Frankovich" <nom...@kooee.com.au> wrote in message
news:3eb5b...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> My bet is that Microsoft is paying you to post this crap!
>
>
>
Your point is noted Mr. Paranoid Conspiracy man.
Mr.Smith
Mr.Smith
cybear
Just because he is paranoid does not mean it isn't true.
Mr.Smith
Tony Hwang
Linux does not suck. He sucks = dumb = stupid.
He is advertising he has bird's brain and can't handle Linux.
Bill loves guy like him.
Tony
Jim Lascola
> fuck U it man,... get some pusy in your life style ,.. whas the matter
> been fuckin the little hole in cds too long? wounndlt know what ato do
> with awoman when she came up and sucked your cock.,.. would you be
> like off ohh noo please stoop im too nerdy for this shi,,... eh?
> little erdy fux some or get fucked by some men learn your place in
> life yoyo
Lol I think you just Ruined your Credibility in this Group and any New
person looking for Linux Truth will also realize You for what you are
Just a Pathetic Troll LIAR. BTW Sytem Consultant I am Personally
calling you a Liar
Jim
Ghazan Haider
businesses like real estate and law firms. I have used Linux and
FreeBSD on many servers around, in most cases, on used Pentium 133
computers, with an average uptime of a year. Some of these machines
have taken the load of over 100 users behind it using the firewall
(iptables), samba, and email (qmail).
I dont know why you couldnt see Linux can hold snuff to Windows, I'm
an MCSE and have used Windows 2000 professional and server where the
applications required it. As a consultant to fortune 500 companies,
you are obliged to properly evaluate operating systems, not just try
installing it once. I have even tried to compile apache on ELKS, minix
and XENIX, tried Plan9 and Darwin, and have been using Linux since
1995. I have used Microsoft Operating Systems since DOS 3.2 on the
other hand, and can compare them with a good authority. Due to some
market forces and many applications, I have to use Microsoft on many
servers and workstations, but where these limitations are not present,
I feel free to select the best OS for the task. I think you owe it to
your livelihood at that level (consultant to Fortune 500 companies) to
evaluate Linux as a server OS. You should begin by downloading Knoppix
(www.knopper.net) and running it on an x86 computer with at LEAST 64
MB ram. You should also check RedHat, SuSE, debian, FreeBSD and
OpenBSD. Try also Darwin and Solaris x86 for comparisons and maybe for
features you might need (For example Solaris x86 has better Token Ring
support than the free OSes).
If you feel your experience with Linux is inadequate and you need
expertise in Operating Systems, please dont hesitate to contact me at
tec...@ghazan.haider.name. I can be present in person here in
Toronto, or around Ontario if needed. I can assure and guarantee
stable and efficient Linux/BSD installations on most servers including
file, email, database, web and application servers of all sorts.
Thank you for your time.
> I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think
> I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community
> at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source
> based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing
> as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying
> technology.
>
> I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to
> back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult
> for, we wanted to integrate the shareware version of Linux into our
> server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing
> fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of
> several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high
> that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which
> were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of
> serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.
>
> I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in
> VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't
> believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go
> just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code
> that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the
> system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to
> increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3
> machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say
> the results were less than impressive...
> We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for the
> desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as a
> "server" based operating system. The
> 3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that
> they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise"
> environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had
> experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted,
> Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in
> their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full
> fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that
> the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled
> filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that
> since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with
> some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour,
> we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't
> a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines
> instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server
> pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the
> Linux boxes.
>
> Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my
> clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the
> free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the
> old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have
> also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that
> we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks
> of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the
> same freedoms as the GPL.
>
> As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to
> compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming,
> but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows
> 98/NT/2K are your only choices.
>
> thank you for your time,
Daeron
Very interesting and well thought out response to that mis-information,
distortion and lies.
---
See also from 5 May 05 2003 00:25:26 GMT
msg: <82eff597.03050...@posting.google.com>
See also from Jun 05 2002
msg: <b6cb8e21.0206...@posting.google.com>
See also from Sep 07 2001
msg: <Pine.LNX.4.21.010907...@grub.atlantic.net>
<rehashed google fud deleted >
What kind of a diseased brain sits at home all day long cutting out old
fud articles and reposting them under different names ? Sad ain't it.
-------
Ghazan Haider
Yup, but look on the bright side. If Fortune 500 companies REALLY run
Windows and hire consultants with such competency, I think I can make
a fortune. Ive run beowulfs, ported network drivers, doing fancy
routing between ethernet, tokenring, arcnet, wireless and serial, and
yet last year I was working labour in the factory. People like him
makes me think I am REALLY qualified and Fortune 500 companies need me
bad. People with real hands on experience with both OSes need to speak
out, the performance difference is so staggering, anyone could bet his
life or livelihood on it.