POD bashing
akzay71
thought I'd add my 2 cents. As an owner of the POD and also many of the amps
it tries to emulate, I feel qualified to comment.
First the good points:
I find POD the quite convincing on clean and semi dirty settings, although I
find it gets very noisy if I try to get it as bright as my blackface deluxe
or silverface ProReverb. Also I like the effects alot. While they don't
always have as much parameter control as I would like, the are very musical
sounding when used with guitar. More so I think than alot of more expensive
Multi FX boxes.
The complaints: The higher gain settings are incredibly "solid state-ish"
and one dimensional sounding in comparison to just about any of my amps. I
have learned to not even bother with them. Again, I find that all of the
sounds lack presence.
Summary: Very useful for quick demos, and goofy effects. Also a good point
to mention is that as a studio owner/engineer and a long time guitarist, I
found that I wasn't playing much guitar in the last couple of years, partly
because I get lazy when it comes to going into the other room, moving the
mic an inch, go back and listen, run back in try a different mic, go back
listen.......etc. I don't mind when I'm not working alone, but the POD got
me playing guitar again, and that is a good thing in itself. I'm sure I'll
get flamed for being lazy, but that's the truth.
Bring on the flames.....
Zak Cohen - The Woodshop Recording Studio
www.woodshoprecording.com
Chris T. Young
;-)
-Chris
"akzay71" <akz...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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... I'm sure I'll get flamed for being lazy, but that's the truth.
George Reiswig
home to compare with my Mesa-Boogie TriAxis using the record outs from the
TriAxis.
On every sound I tried, clean or distorted, I preferred the Mesa. True, you
have to add effects, but...
GR
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Danny Taddei
I love the little kidney. I use it for tracking all the time but I send the
signal into an amp and mic that. I think of it as an effect that gets inserted
into rather then being the chain. Actually though, I usually track it straight
in and use the signal to feed the amp later and mic the amp when the guitar
player leaves. The result isn't as good as tracking the amp because the
performance loses a little but for most of what I do that's OK. If you are
doing serious stuff, I would track the amp.
My dislikes on the POD are that by itself, you cant get more out of a guitar by
playing harder. Put through an amp though and it all comes together fine.
Danny
Brad
out the Sony GP5. You can pick it up for really cheap if you look
around. It has so many effects with a hell of a lot of EASILY
adjustable parameters. Doesn't sound half bad either. The things
cost over $500 new and are still quite popular in Japan so i've heard
Ken Hada
akz...@yahoo.com wrote on 8/7/01 2:46 PM:
> Very useful for quick demos,
I am no fan of the POD but I have to agree. If you own a small demo studio
and you need a variety of sounds for music that will never be herad by
anyone other than the band members friends, whats wrong with envoking the
POD.
Other than industrai music ,I would not use one for anything that I cared
about. Live top 40, yes - Orginal band, no.
Now if you will excuse me while I step into my flame retardant suit.
Brian Stritenberger
<snipawonga that includes other POD talk >
>I get lazy when it comes to going into the other room, moving the
> mic an inch, go back and listen, run back in try a different mic, go back
> listen.......etc.
Cool for you. I'll stick with my 58 champ and my 2 blackface deluxes.
And I'm lusting even as I'm writing this for an AC 30 or I'd even settle
for a Matchless (settle...yea right-I'd consider giving my eye teeth if
someone would take them in exchange for a Matchless). I still enjoy
moving the mic back and forth. Well actually someone else usually moves
the mic back and forth while I listen. But I'd move the mic if I had to.
Nothing like a few tubes, a speaker (like maybe a Weber), air, and a mic
or two, even if their Chinese and in the wrong place, to make an e gtr
sound like an e gtr. POD is close-but as the saying goes-that really
only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades-Unless your Dan Huff. Dan
plays anything through a POD-I'm sure it would rock. Problem is......I'm
not Dan Huff.
Brian S
Fletcher
> Since everyone seems to have something to say about the little beasts, I
> thought I'd add my 2 cents. As an owner of the POD and also many of the amps
> it tries to emulate, I feel qualified to comment.
Ya know, 14% of the world's male population, a number that's greater than all of
the guitar players in the world, like to get fucked in the ass by other men.
There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not for me.
Sorta like the POD. There are a whole lot of people that seem to dig it, but
I've never seen the joy. I'm glad you're happy with it...what does your
boyfriend think of it?
--
Fletcher
Mercenary Audio
TEL: 508-543-0069
FAX: 508-543-9670
http://www.mercenary.com
"this is not a problem"
Doc Gorpon
>of
>the guitar players in the world, like to get fucked in the ass by other men.
>There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not for me.
You only like to get fucked in the ass by women?
Danny Taddei
dick thing to say. You live up to your name
Steve
Danny Taddei <da...@taddei.org> wrote:
> Feltcher, your a rude jerk...even if that wasn't pointed at me I think that
> was a
> dick thing to say. You live up to your name
I think you found his boyfriend, Fletcher.
(sorry, I couldn't resist)
Steve
Lyle Caldwell
monitors, Neve 1202 mic pres, nice compressors, a '61 ES-335, a nice old
Super Reverb, and mics ranging from 57s to 421s to U87s.
Asshole artist (whose studio it was) insisted on using the POD, cause he had
just bought it and loved his toy. Got horrible canned jingle-sounding
guitar tones, even though we had the recipe for some real guitar tones.
Made me furious.
His argument? "But the POD is so much easier!"
--
Lyle Caldwell
Psionic Media, Inc.
"Ken Hada" <k...@shootthemoon.com> wrote in message
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Danny Taddei
might just consider it :-)
Danny Taddei
the one you were looking for) that are just great out of the POD for certain
things. Also, if the guitar player is a little weak the pod tends to make them
sound better because the performance is a little smoother. (by that I mean the
dynamics of the performance are smoothed out like in the way you would get from
an electronic drum set.
I still say that it can make a real amp sound very good too. I use it in a way
I would use a mic modeler. I can change the tone of my amps to get new sounds
that I could not get before.
This argument is one that I have had with people for ears about all kinds of
gear. i have some mics that I bought new for $20 that do exactly what I need
them to do in an occasional situation. I had a voice over that needed to sound
like it was coming from a high school auditorium and I whipped out my trust
"piece of crap" and it was perfect. Not every recording calls for the tone from
heaven..... Now do I think it should replace the great amps of the past....
Yeah right.. let it try! But I do think it has a major place in a studio and on
stage.
Ah.. Yes on stage. i places some dumb little gigs this summer by a pool in san
Diego and just plugged into the pod and then to the PA and spared the amp. Talk
about easy. Did the audience care a bit? They didn't. Did I get paid? I did!
Use things for there best use and everything is worth something.......
Danny
Ken Hada
at cald...@bellsouth.net wrote on 8/7/01 10:02 PM:
I stated below that I would not use a POD for anything I cared about. I
personally never liked the way they sound in a mix. But if time is money
some demo studios(small ones) might get some use out of them.
Ken
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www.mp3.com/shootthemoon
Vladan L.
>
>>... the recipe for some real guitar tones.
Give me, give me,...
Vladan L.
www.mp3.com/lesly2
www.mp3.com/lesly
www.mp3.com/shook
Now then...
Michael Lawrence
ageless. so why does everyone here sound like a grumpy bunch of old
ladies, pining after the amps of yawn, because the new pod in town is
a babe? are you telling me that a bunch of self-proclaimed experts
can't make something that sounds that good, right out of the box,
sound great? i mean, nix the the worst-sounding
chorus/flange/compression (i can't believe someone who likes old
fender amps thinks these claustraphobic efx are "musical?"), stay away
from the most anaemic sounding clean sounds you've ever heard, &
you've got a a very usable driven to high gain preamp. but of course,
if you're still writing music that goes cu-cu-cu-cuh 30 years after
the fact, you're probably still not gonna like it. but for god's sake,
don't use it as a front end to another guitar amp, it just makes the
bloody thing sound like a pod, only narrower! just mic the bloody amp
if that's what you like, why muck with what already sounds great! and
if you're as good as todd rundgren, you'll know how to make a
pod/ampfarm sound huge. myself, i prefer my trademark 60; it slams
with a mic in front of it, and it slams going direct into a board,
both scenarios prefaced by my strat w/holy grails plugged into my
trusty RNC (though i would love to try a distressor here!)! the next
step is to work out a great mic or instr. pre into a hedd (and leave
the efx to eventide and/or lexicon). tell me that won't spank!
ml
Analogeezer
> the spirit of music, and those that create it, is supposed to be
> ageless. so why does everyone here sound like a grumpy bunch of old
> ladies, pining after the amps of yawn, because the new pod in town is
> a babe? are you telling me that a bunch of self-proclaimed experts
> can't make something that sounds that good, right out of the box,
> sound great? i mean, nix the the worst-sounding
> chorus/flange/compression (i can't believe someone who likes old
> fender amps thinks these claustraphobic efx are "musical?"), stay away
> from the most anaemic sounding clean sounds you've ever heard, &
<Snipped for Brevity>
Well you know I have a guitar player friend of mine, total tone freak,
VERY VERY picky, and he bought a POD pro. He has had it about 9 months
now.
He absolutely loved it, he stopped using his amps, which included a
1972 Marshall, a Peavey 5150, a Soldano (forgot the model but it was
one of the original ones, built in the garage) and a Custom Audio
electronics guitar preamp.
He was so into the thing, he started trying to talk me into getting a
bass POD Pro.
I suggested to him that after the newness factor wore off, that he
might revisit things and change his mind.
He swore that no man, the POD is the stuff it just really has the
tone.
Then last week, I heard was talking to him, and he was talking about
getting back out to play live, and what rig he wanted to put together.
I said, "I thought you were going to use the POD Pro with your Mos
Valve".
He said, no that there was something about the POD live that just
didn't quite work right for him, and also he said he had noticed that
he was now preferring the tone of the CAE preamp for some recording
stufff.
He still loves his POD, but cracks in his argument are appearing, and
I predict in about a year he will have sold it, and then go back to
his amps.
I've seen this guy do the same thing over the last 15 years, starting
with a Rockman in the mid 1980's.
Prior to the POD pro, he was swearing by his Boss GT-5, which is now
gathering dust.
The POD is a very useful device, and at the price they sell for,
probably worth having, in cases where a guitar player shows up with a
skanky Crate or similar amp, but to suggest that it is a replacement
for the amps that it is supposed to emulate is a touch too much...
Analogeezer
Analogeezer
> akzay71 wrote:
>
> > Since everyone seems to have something to say about the little beasts, I
> > thought I'd add my 2 cents. As an owner of the POD and also many of the amps
> > it tries to emulate, I feel qualified to comment.
>
> Ya know, 14% of the world's male population, a number that's greater than all of
> the guitar players in the world, like to get fucked in the ass by other men.
> There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not for me.
>
> Sorta like the POD. There are a whole lot of people that seem to dig it, but
> I've never seen the joy. I'm glad you're happy with it...what does your
> boyfriend think of it?
While this was funny as hell (and yes I've heard Fletcher use this
same analogy many, many times, but it's still funny as hell), I think
you should have read the guy's entire post.
He obviously wasn't a POD fanatic, he suggested it had it's place but
he wasn't getting evangelistic about it.
Does that 14% include straight guys that like a girl with a strapon?
Analogeezer
Don Pearce
Not sure I understand the problems with the POD. It doesn't look like
a piece of professional kit that a musician would use on the stage or
in the studio. It looks like what I suspect it was always meant to be
- something for kids to use through a Pignose in their bedrooms making
great noises. In other words, a toy. Seen from that perspective it is
a brilliant piece of kit.
Big boys really shouldn't be trying to push it further than that,
though.
d
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>Feltcher, your a rude jerk...even if that wasn't pointed at me I think that was a
>dick thing to say. You live up to your name
I'm sure he's crushed. <bg>
Mark Plancke
SOUNDTECH RECORDING STUDIOS
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
http://SoundTechRecording.com
Right now the recording game is crawling with wannabees. Lots of
profiteering can be done at their expense, by making flimsy crap and
pitching it as "just as good as, or a suitable alternative to" something
that's really good and has stood the test of time. - Steve Albini
Danny Taddei
fact, I am a writer and producer that acts as a closet engineer.
I use it as a stand alone and as a front end to an amp. I have also been
paid quite a bit of money for the music I have written and recorded with
it so it can't be all that bad. Purists in the recording business are
like artists in many ways but you have to stand back and say it's time to
walk away. My first commercial was tracked on a fostex x15 or something
like that way back when.... the bottom line is that they didn't know the
difference when it aired on KROQ in the LA area and I got paid enough to
buy real equipment. It's nice to have the best of everything but I'd
rather have the finished of everything instead!
Danny
<nospam>paulg@pointbbob.net
>He said, no that there was something about the POD live that just
>didn't quite work right for him, and also he said he had noticed that
>he was now preferring the tone of the CAE preamp for some recording
>stufff.
>
>He still loves his POD, but cracks in his argument are appearing, and
>I predict in about a year he will have sold it, and then go back to
>his amps.
>
>I've seen this guy do the same thing over the last 15 years, starting
Different strokes ...
I've been working as accompanist to the same artist for 17 years and
changing gear every few as new stuff came available. I have always
been waiting for something that can do everything the pod does. I've
had one now since they first hit the market. They definitely had the
right idea, but some real screw ups in the 1.0 to 1.7 chips.
I have used the Pod for recording though I prefer my Fender Blues
Deluxe for some stuff.
The live gig is where the Pod is a life saver for me. I play Guitar,
Mandolin, Banjo, and Fiddle. Touring with an amp, speaker, and effects
with all the instruments and clothes is a pain. Getting any amp to
sound good on all the various acoustic instruments is a pain, tweaking
the gear for every song change is a pain.
With the pod I have created patches for every song so volume, eq,
effects etc are all adjusted via midi by changing songs on the
sequencer. This gives me time to change instruments twice when the
singer suddenly changes her mind mid sentence while introducing the
next song.
The actual quality for the sound satisfies me enough to enjoy playing,
so I know it is good enough for the audience. In fact I am rarely
complimented on my playing but often on my sounds. I spend a lot of
time tweaking .
I obviously wouldn't bother with the pod for recording the acoustic
stuff, and I prefer using outboard effects on the guitar. I love my
amp for clean , and slightly broken up sounds, especially a fat jazz
sound.
I use the Pod for recording if I want a big distorto sound.
Steve
Danny Taddei <da...@taddei.org> wrote:
> well after surviving 8 months of a crying new born baby all night every night
> I
> might just consider it :-)
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > In article <3B7054B5...@taddei.org>,
> > Danny Taddei <da...@taddei.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Feltcher, your a rude jerk...even if that wasn't pointed at me I think
> > > that
> > > was a
> > > dick thing to say. You live up to your name
> >
> > I think you found his boyfriend, Fletcher.
> >
> > (sorry, I couldn't resist)
> >
> > Steve
>
8 MONTHS? Your kid must have colic or something. Although, now that I
think back, my youngest SCREAMED his head off every night ,(even after
he learned to talk) for awhile, all because he just didn't want to go to
sleep. He's 8 1/2 now and STILL doesn't like sleeping early. At least
once they're talking they can tell you if something hurts, just DON'T
ever suggest such a thing. They can get lots of mileage based on that
suggestion.
Steve
Phineas Henshaw
$.50
I think the POD has its place. Although I think the device is cool,
and has some interesting emulation, that is all I would take it for. I
would not look at the POD as an alternative to buying the real thing.
Someone made a comment about using one with a Crate amp. That would
actually be the perfect use for it.
I have always tripped out on how something like this comes into the
market and fissles out so quickly. I guess it is alot easier to
imitate a DSP, than engineering a tube amp.
I guess, I never bought one because I could not justify paying $350 to
emulate all of those amps and have effects when I could take that
money, and buy 1 good versatile solid state amp(Like the Princton 112
by fender) or a Laney. Or, just buy a multi effects pedal. I guess I
have just never had the use to do anything but build MY sound. You can
only do that buy choosing the equipment that gives you the sound you
want. I found it totally usless to have all of those emulations of amp
sounds as effects. However, Line6 makes an excellent high end amp :)
As far as using it in the studio, if you are a tweeker, or a gear
head, this is the device for you. You can do all kinds of things with
midi. Even use it as a direct box. If you have time. I saw a guy at a
friends studio once bring his laptop with him and sat up for 2 hours
trying to sync the POD with the D9B so that his effects would change
automaticly. This was the most rediculous thing I ever saw. But he
paid for it.
Everything has its place. POD is just too much and not enough at the
same time. I think it is a really cool device, and am quite fond of
it. However, I would never buy one cause I have no real use for it. I
have good sounding amps and effects, what do I need an emulator.
Makes a good convo piece though.
Phineas
dbr...@mediaone.net
Dan
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Brian Stritenberger
> After reading this whole thread of extremist, I thought I would add my $.50
> I guess, I never bought one because I could not justify paying $350 to
> emulate all of those amps and have effects when I could take that
> money, and buy 1 good versatile solid state amp(Like the Princton 112
> by fender)
Sorry but I think good and solid state when we are talking about guitar
amps are mutually exclusive terms. Even if the amp is a Fender
> I saw a guy at a friends studio once bring his laptop with him and sat up for 2 hours
> trying to sync the POD with the D9B so that his effects would change
> automaticly.
I think that maybe you should have said d8b. What's a D9B ? Am I missing
something?
What a waste of time. I love charging by the hour if something
productive is being done. But I'd rather be home with the family than to
get paid to watch someone play with a POD for 2 hours.
Emulation? It's a strange concept for me. I'd rather have the real deal.
YMMV. Call me an extremist if you want. I'll just call it my opinion.
My $.02. Not $.50. I guess your opinion is worth more $ than mine.
Brian S
Brian Stritenberger
Steve <fret...@home.com> wrote:
, my youngest SCREAMED his head off every night ,(even after
> he learned to talk) for awhile, all because he just didn't want to go to
> sleep. He's 8 1/2 now and STILL doesn't like sleeping early.
Your youngest must be destined to be a musician. Probably doesn't like
to get up early either?
Brian S
Steve
Brian Stritenberger <br...@recordingworkshop.com> wrote:
No... he doesn't. Wonder where he got this from...
Steve
NP
that you are using, the mixer or amp that you are going through, the
microphone that you might have placed in front of your cabinets, etc.
My point is, are you really bagging on POD? Or possibly bad speakers,
mixers, etc.?
There are so many big names using POD to record major hit albums.
The tones these artists are producing all come from POD and they are making
hit songs and lots of money.
Now the Vetta will be the next POD, and then some!. The "double-tracker"
feature will definiely kick some serious ass in the guitar industry! I'm
sticking to
Line 6 because these guys are quickly educating themselves, and getting to
be leaders.
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> Since everyone seems to have something to say about the little beasts, I
> thought I'd add my 2 cents. As an owner of the POD and also many of the
amps
> it tries to emulate, I feel qualified to comment.
>
Ken Hada
at fret...@home.com wrote on 8/8/01 12:51 PM:
> 8 MONTHS? Your kid must have colic or something.
That can also be a lactoce intolerance.
Phineas Henshaw
that line is my life time...lol
Phineas
On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:40:13 GMT, reap <dbr...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>Are you related to Phineas J. Whoopy by any chance????
>If so........are you also the greatest!!!
>
>:>
>
>Dan
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Michael Lawrence
> Anybody use a J-STATION?
personally, i think they're terrible, very claustrophobic, which is a
problem all of the modellers share. you really have to pare it down to
just the amp modelled sound, & tweak (or build) from there. they all
seriously need some eq shaping (nothing drastic, just specific). but
you have to realize that at the end of the day, for the now $250 &
under it costs to buy these things, very little has been devoted to
the effects. they're fine for practising, even playing live (if you're
in a rush & have no one to help you lug something bigger), but nothing
more.
but getting back to the problem of claustrophobia (i know i'm spelling
this wrong, but nothing seems to look right!), it can get worse if you
double parts, & build guitorchestras in general. you really, at the
very least, have to try using different guitars (you'd be surprised
how much of a diff it can make if you try an acoustic rather than an
electric!), but the more gain you use, the more things can tend to
sound alike. which is why the pod (sansamp, even more so) is stunning
as a choice for soloing. in general, if you try just doing your part
in just one performance, it'll help the pod's cause. otherwise, like i
said, use a different guitar, and maybe sound. there is nothing like 2
tracks panned left & right, with slight phrasing variations in the
performances. but listen! use your ears! if things start sounding
small, try something else; could be major, could be minor. it's really
not much different to finding where & how different eq's fit into a
mix. whoever had the idea of ducking the main rhythm tracks when
vocals or a solo is happening, & then opening them up when the others
stop, is brilliant! great, very musical idea, like making the tune
breathe, or pulse. and, no, don't use a pod to simulate a specific amp
if you already own that amp & a good enough mic & the resources in
general. use it as a pod, an amp unto itself. there's room enough for
it all.
ml
Lyle Caldwell
pretty much any sound I was after. Great learning tool.
But it just doesn't hold up in the studio. Trying to be open-minded, I
borrowed one and tried for 2 weeks, and I'm an experienced tweaker. It
sometimes gave the SansAmp PSA-1 a run for the money, other times the
SansAmp was better. In no cases did it sound better than even this little
Fender Blues Jr I have around, let alone the Marshall and '64 Deluxe or the
Vox AC15. Now, before someone says "but those amps cost more than the POD,"
that's irrelevant, as these are the EXACT amps the POD claims to model.
For a more realistic comparison, the PSA-1 was overall more responsive to
playing nuances and the tracks sat better in a mix.
In short, the POD is to a good amp what a Doritos jingle is to Dark Side of
the Moon.
--
Lyle Caldwell
Psionic Media, Inc.
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nuke
>The tones these artists are producing all come from POD and they are making
>hit songs and lots of money.
Since when does making hits and lots of money have to do with how good or bad
anything sounds or even how good or bad the music is?
--
Dr. Nuketopia
Spam filtering is off. AO-Hell catches most of it now.
Mark Plancke
>In short, the POD is to a good amp what a Doritos jingle is to Dark Side of
>the Moon.
<g>