Mongolian keyboard driver?
Bob VonMoss
(Cyrillic)? Are the Russian keyboard drivers sufficient? I'm embarking
on learning Mongolian and am finding some good software. I've used
Russian keyboard drivers in the past, but can't remember what they were
and don't know if they were fully compatible with the Mongolian Cyrillic
with all the characters. Any URLs would be helpful.
Stacey Doljack
http://members.tripod.com/~anttikoski/eng_index.html
not sure if they have mongolia proper there though...
Bob VonMoss
Mongolia itself. It seems there are fonts out there, but no program
(convenient to human beings) to use them in a keyboard driver (yet). There are
some programs which cost at least $100. I'll just use Russian and write in the
Mongolian characters until I find a better solution. I've spent way too much
time looking for what seems to be a simple problem: type modern Mongolian into
an editor.
Michael Warmuth
Bob VonMoss <bvon...@eurosport.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, these are different Mongolian dialects inside Russian, not
> Mongolia itself.
Could you please explain this.
> It seems there are fonts out there, but no program
> (convenient to human beings) to use them in a keyboard driver (yet).
It depends on the OS you are using. For all Unix systems I know,
you are always free to configure the keymap as you like.
For Windows you can use Keyman 3.2 which is free for non commercial
use. It allows you to remap your keyboard as well.
Besides there exists a freeware (?) solution from Mongolia for
Windows which can be downloaded from
http://www.web.mn/keyboard.html
It is configured for the font mappings used broadly in Mongolian WWW.
Hth,
Michael
Stacey Doljack
to really help you enough. Basically the standard Russian cyrillic
character set (on computers) does not include the specialized cyrillic
characters for many of the asian languages. There is another cyrillic
character set called Asian Cyrillic that does contain these extra
characters.
The website I gave you talks a bit about it. You can use this standard
Asian Cyrillic character set in order to write in many different of the
asian/siberian langauges.
The second problem is the OS you are using. If you have a windows
machine,
it depends upon which version. Unicode is fast becoming supported and
includes the Asian Cyrillic characters, but in order to use it fully
integrated into the OS, you need to be running Windows 2000. Windows 98
also supports Unicode to a limited extent. If you run Office 2000 on
Windows 98 and install the extra language support, you can use the
MS Arial Unicode font in your documents, which is unfortunately one
of the only complete Unicode fonts. Some fonts claiming to be Unicode
don't include the entire Unicode set of characters, generally because
it makes the font so huge in file size! As for keyboard driving, you
can map characters in Office 2000 to different keys. I'm not in
front of my Win2k machine to verify if there is a Mongolian keyboard
driver there for it, but I find it has Uzbek and Kirghirz, so it must
have Mongolian!
As the other poster mentioned, you're a lot more free on UNIX. I
don't know offhand the iso name of the cyrillic asian character set.
You'd also probably have to find some cyrillic asian fonts.
.s
--
.cormiac ru
{o\ /o}
Bob VonMoss
> There is another cyrillic character set called Asian Cyrillic that does contain
> these extra
> characters. The website I gave you talks a bit about it. You can use this
> standard Asian Cyrillic character set in order to write in many different of the
> asian/siberian langauges.
>
> The second problem is the OS you are using. If you have a windows machine,
> it depends upon which version. Unicode is fast becoming supported and includes
> the Asian Cyrillic characters, but in order to use it fully integrated into the
> OS, you need to be running Windows 2000.
I'm running Win NT 4.0. I settled on using the "Cyrillic Starter Kit 4.01" from
http://www.cyrillic.com , downloaded some free Mongolian/Cyrillic fonts (ArialCTT,
NewtonCTT, PragmaticCTT). I had to program in the Mongolian keyboard, but I can type
Mongolian now. I installed the Keyman program. That had to be one of the most crypic
programs I've ever seen--so hard to figure out and you can't even unistall it, so I
gave up on that.
Can people really afford computers in Mongolia? Where do people get their computers?
Are there some people making substantially more money in Ulaan-Baatar now? I mean if
$3000 a year is a lot and 30-40% is collected for income taxes, that only leaves
$2000 or so and I don't think Mongolia is making computers. How does a Mongolian buy
a computer or even a car? Or are most of the people that own these things people who
came into the country?
Michael Warmuth
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Bob VonMoss <bvon...@eurosport.com> wrote:
> I installed the Keyman program. That had to be one of the most crypic
> programs I've ever seen--so hard to figure out and you can't even unistall
> it, so I
> gave up on that.
What is so cryptic with (from keyboard definition file):
> NAME "mongolian"
> BITMAPS mon-on mon-off
> HOTKEY "^%M"
> VERSION 3.2
> begin > use(Main)
> group(Main) using keys
> + 'q' > d233
> + 'Q' > d201
[...]
It reads as: Key "q" generates character 233. Key "Q" generates character 201
... It is all explained in the help file. The newer versions however do not
allow you to configure your own keyboard. So 3.2 is the best one.
And "uninstalling" is done by just deleting the directory and the menu
entries. It's easy.
> Can people really afford computers in Mongolia? Where do people get their
> computers?
> Are there some people making substantially more money in Ulaan-Baatar now?
Some people can afford it, most cannot. Some people are really rich there.
As anywhere else.
Bye,
Michael
Nils Vogel
a few years ago I also was looking for such a keyboard drive and I found a
program to make it self.
Bye Nils
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chinbaa
http://www.web.mn
Bataa
In answer to some of your questions - plenty of Mongolian businesses have
PCs, but most private PC users log on in one of the many internet cafes.
Price is the equivalent of $1US for 2 hours.
The larger electronics stores sell computers; cars are sold through
dealerships or smaller importers. Income tax is only 10%, so most of what
you earn you keep.
Cheers
Ceri
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Bob VonMoss
> The larger electronics stores sell computers; cars are sold through
> dealerships or smaller importers. Income tax is only 10%, so most of what
> you earn you keep.
Bayarlalaa,
If I could, I'd bring 50 computers to Mongolia from the U.S. I'm concerned that
it would cost a LOT just to get them there, though.
Check it out: a TV in a ger!
http://berclo.net/photos97/97mn21.jpg
http://berclo.net/page97/97fr-mongolia-1.html
http://mof.pmis.gov.mn/tax.htm#INDIVIDUAL%20INCOME
Is this just out of date, then?
If I move to Mongolia for good, do you have any tips on my name, like to
Mongolize it? I know a lot of Chinese people, when they turn their name into
English, they overuse the 'x' and various triphthongs, when if they had
consulted with a native speaker, they could have come up with a much better
spelling without doing away with it, but after they declare their name, it's
hard to change it. Do people go by their surname first? Does my last name sound
like "Prince Ice"? Will that sound funny, or just gadaad?
Bayartai Uulzee