Good reading
Kenneth Kirkpatrick
http://music.hyperreal.org/library/publicity/irdial-discs/manifesto
Kenneth Kirkpatrick
> Kenneth Kirkpatrick <ken...@gte.net> wrote in
> news:3C73BF15...@gte.net:
> "Keep buying cassettes".
>
> Yeah, that's great advice for audiophiles.
I think the writer prefers lp's.
Arny Krueger
"fathom" <tgr...@maig.com> wrote in message
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> > Ken
> >
> > nifesto
> "Keep buying cassettes".
That's right. The article finds that they are "useful". I'll bet that
you'll find somebody who doesn't read well denying that and saying
that the article doesn't mention them.
> Yeah, that's great advice for audiophiles.
The title: 'WHY CD IS A CON' says lots, but the false claims about
digital say even more.
It also contains blatant lies such as this paragraph on from early
on:
"Analogue encoding systems work by taking the musical
information as it is and turning it directly into mechanical
movements -
--as in the case of vinyl or directly into magnetic modulations (as
found on tape) which in the replay stage do not have to be decoded or
thematically reconstructed. There is no trickery involved; what you
hear
is what you had."
Everything is fine except the last sentence:
"There is no trickery involved; what you hear is what you had."
Two lies in one sentence, now that's pretty "good" propaganda. The
first lie is the implication that digital coding and decoding
requires trickery. The second lie is that what you hear from analog
sources is what you had. This is simply not true. All known analog
methodologies for recording and playing back sound audibly change and
corrupt the sound.
The article claims to be a public service of "IRDIAL-DISCS". It was
written in 1992, which was a decade ago. They still have a web site
at http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/w31.htm whose motto is:
"But certainly for the present age, which prefers the sign to the
thing signified, the copy to the original, fantasy to reality, the
appearance to the essence, ... illusion only is scared, truth
profane. Nay, sacredness is held to be enhanced in proportion as
truth decreases and illusion increases, so that the highest degree of
illusion comes to be the highest degree of sacredness."
The "IRDIAL-DISCS" web site says that they've stopped selling vinyl
altogether. You can buy their recordings from
http://www.theserecords.com/NewFiles/pagetwo.html which sells only
CDs.
A fitting conclusion to the story, no?
;-)
dave weil
wrote:
>Everything is fine except the last sentence:
>
>"There is no trickery involved; what you hear is what you had."
>
>Two lies in one sentence, now that's pretty "good" propaganda.
The first part isn't a lie. Certainly, discarding information that
might not be needed *is* trickery. Now, whether or not it's harmful to
perception is a different story. But it's not a *lie*.
Thank you for playing.
Next.
ScottW
> Read this. I found it to follow my personal impressions. Ken
>
> http://music.hyperreal.org/library/publicity/irdial-discs/manifesto
Ken,
Is this a joke or do you seriously agree with this?
This article has no merit to it at all. Bunch of meaningless nonsense.
ScottW
Kenneth Kirkpatrick
I knew you would like it! :-)
Howard Ferstler
>
> http://music.hyperreal.org/library/publicity/irdial-discs/manifesto
The person who wrote it belongs in a mental institution.
Howard Ferstler
dave weil
Kenneth Kirkpatrick
Maybe listening to cd's drove him mad? He obviously has a deep hatred of 16/44.1 :-)
John Klane
understanding. Vinyl has "infinite resolution"?? I guess that means it
has no noise floor and can't be overloaded. Magnetic tape has
"infinite resolution"?? I guess that means it has no noise floor and
can't be overloaded. (Why do they bother with those recording level
meters? No need for them in a medium with "infinite resolution".)
Remember, solar eclipses are really an angry god eating the sun. :)
Art Sackman
"Howard Ferstler" <fer...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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Howard's day job is playing Mr. Science on TV.
Arny Krueger
> http://music.hyperreal.org/library/publicity/irdial-discs/manifesto
Oh, I get it. This is your nomination for "Snake Oil Web Site" for
Thursday...
Kenneth Kirkpatrick
Well sort of..... I thought it provoke some audio discussion. But it did
not. I saw some flaws with it myself. For one, no mention of tics, pops
or tape hiss as distortion in analog, which is a problem. Also it made no
mention of of the new digital formats of 24/96 or 24/192 and SACD. Both
of these new digital formats sound great to me. Oh well, back to the
flame wars. :-(
Arny Krueger
That's an approach that I think we can both work with.
;-)
Joe Duffy
"Digital computing is only an evolutionary step in the
development of computers. There exists today, the working components of
a new type of analogue computer which will revolutionize computing, and
make digital computing obsolete."
This person does not even have a clue what a
computer is, let alone a transistor.
Joe
Gary Eickmeier
Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote:
>
> Read this. I found it to follow my personal impressions. Ken
>
> http://music.hyperreal.org/library/publicity/irdial-discs/manifesto
Pretty funny Ken.
Gary Eickmeier
Kenneth Kirkpatrick
You liked it too? ALL RIGHT!!!! I am especially fond of the analog
computer stuff!