Another 10/16 offer!
AED-PD
I have been officially recognized by the REBster as being an "Authorized
Dealer" of the famous 10/16 Meadowlands tape.... I, too, am making an offer
to the first dozen responders (or so)....
Of course, there is some payment associated with this offer! You *Must*
supply me with a disgusting joke! No exceptions. ;-)
EDDIE
REB - Select * from net_people where flame=null
>Hi Folks,
>I have been officially recognized by the REBster as being an "Authorized
>Dealer" of the famous 10/16 Meadowlands tape.... I, too, am making an offer
>to the first dozen responders (or so)....
This is the way we *should* be distributing tapes... and it seems to be
working out pretty well... I think we should try this for the next 'awesome'
show we get tapes of too ;-) Definitely NYE ...
reb
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>
>This is the way we *should* be distributing tapes... and it seems to be
>working out pretty well... I think we should try this for the next 'awesome'
>show we get tapes of too ;-) Definitely NYE ...
Huh? Whats so special about NYE ... I mean, I was there, last year, and if
there ever was a tape I could do without, that would be the one.
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lee bank
>Huh? Whats so special about NYE ... I mean, I was there, last year, and if
>there ever was a tape I could do without, that would be the one.
>
while new years shows often don't make their expectations, last year
certainly had some hot moments, especially the wang dang with clerence!
garry hodgson
> In article <14...@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> ezu...@pica.army.mil writes:
> >Hi Folks,
> >I have been officially recognized by the REBster as being an "Authorized
> >Dealer" of the famous 10/16 Meadowlands tape.... I, too, am making an offer
> >to the first dozen responders (or so)....
>
> This is the way we *should* be distributing tapes... and it seems to be
> working out pretty well... I think we should try this for the next 'awesome'
> show we get tapes of too ;-) Definitely NYE ...
>
> reb
I posted an article a while back that proposed this method of tape
distribution. I expected it to generate some discussion, but there
was none. I also think it is working out pretty well, but could be better.
In particular, the multiple lottery approach seems to be a bad idea.
I lucked out and scored as one of the 1st 10 on my 4th or 5th try.
Each time I lost, the person was kind enough to let me know. Assuming
many others were in the same boat, this is a lot of wasted effort.
It is also very frustrating to keep getting, "Better luck next time" mail.
Now, don't get me wrong. I understand the effort involved in making tapes for
people. I think these folks are doing a great thing by providing this
service for the Nethead community. We just need to streamline the startup
process. Here's one possibility:
Assume I have a killer tape of the 2/31/89 Leap Year's Show, and I decide
to spread it around. I post an announcement, and for a week or so collect
email responses which say, either in the Subject line or a form-letter body:
your email address
whether you are just requesting a tape or volunteering to make further copies
any other miscellaneous info deemed necessary.
I then select N volunteers to make tapes, and send them their copies along with a
list of requests, divvied up from all the requests I received. N may be the total
number of volunteers, or the number of tapes I am willing to make, or some other number
chosen to make the number of copies/volunteer low enough. These lucky volunteers
then reply to the requesters with info about how to proceed, and things continue
as they do now.
If requests are in some standard form, this job could easily be handled by some simple
software ( I'll write it, if anyone's interested... ) If this puts too much burden back
on the original taper, a third party ( I volunteer ) could handle the requests.
Then again, maybe there's a better way... Any ideas, folks?
garry hodgson
ga...@alice.att.com
alice!garry
Chuck Karish
>In article <40...@rtech.rtech.com>, r...@squid.rtech.com (REB) writes:
>> In article <14...@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> ezu...@pica.army.mil writes:
>> >Hi Folks,
>> >I have been officially recognized by the REBster as being an "Authorized
>> >Dealer" of the famous 10/16 Meadowlands tape.... I, too, am making an offer
>> >to the first dozen responders (or so)....
>
>distribution. I expected it to generate some discussion, but there
>was none. I also think it is working out pretty well, but could be better.
>
>In particular, the multiple lottery approach seems to be a bad idea.
>I lucked out and scored as one of the 1st 10 on my 4th or 5th try.
>Each time I lost, the person was kind enough to let me know. Assuming
>many others were in the same boat, this is a lot of wasted effort.
>It is also very frustrating to keep getting, "Better luck next time" mail.
The most efficient way to get high-quality tapes to the masses is to
minimize the number of generations of tapings.
Suggested mechanism:
- People requesting tapes send mail only to the person announcing the
offer. Requestors must indicate whether they're able/willing to make
high-quality dubs for others.
- The offeror sends dubs to people who will make more dubs. S/he sends
names of other requestors to those dubbers, too, and sends
acknowledgements to the requestors telling them who will make their
tapes, where to send trade items, etc.
- Everyone marks their tapes to show how many times they've been copied.
The offeror has to make about 10 tapes, and has the added responsibility
of handling a bunch of mail. People willing to make more copies get
the advantage of a lower-generation tape. No one has to deal with
the `lottery' problem.
Potential problems:
- The dubbers must be trustworthy. It's important that the offeror
acknowledge all requests, or disgruntled requestors will make
his/her life miserable.
- Mail has to work. Everyone has to give a good mail path, or the
system breaks down. Anyone making a major offer should either
be ready to learn a lot about E-mail, or should know a friendly
and patient mail guru.
Chuck Karish kar...@mindcraft.com
(415) 323-9000 kar...@forel.stanford.edu
Joanne Petersen
you have enough volunteers-to-copy is to state that you're accepting requests
but you will only make copies for those who are willing to make copies (thus
assuring those willing to make the effort to copy that they will get second
generation tapes, and those who don't copy will get third generation, so
there's an incentive to volunteer).
Of course, there's always the possibility that there will be more requests
than volunteers are willing to make copies for.... in that case, you could
always post another request for volunteers only? (Instead of just replying
to the unfortunate group who want copies but no one will make them....)
Mark Boronkay
In article <40...@rtech.rtech.com>, r...@squid.rtech.com (REB) writes:
>>> In article <14...@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> ezu...@pica.army.mil writes:
>>> I have been officially recognized by the REBster as being an "Authorized
>>> Dealer" of the famous 10/16 Meadowlands tape.... I, too, am making an offer
>>>to the first dozen responders (or so)....
>
>> working out pretty well... I think we should try this for the next 'awesome'
>> show we get tapes of too ;-) Definitely NYE ...
>>
>> reb
>I posted an article a while back that proposed this method of tape
>distribution. I expected it to generate some discussion, but there
>was none. I also think it is working out pretty well, but could be better.
>In particular, the multiple lottery approach seems to be a bad idea.
>I lucked out and scored as one of the 1st 10 on my 4th or 5th try.
>Each time I lost, the person was kind enough to let me know. Assuming
As one of the 'spreaders of 10/16', I not only let those know that they
did not make the cutoff, I went ahead and arranged for someone else to
make them a copy. Essentially, I asked the first 10 responders to my
offer if they would go ahead and make copies for those requests that
I could not fill. Those that I asked replied happily that they would. So
I forwarded them email addresses of those that did not make the cutoff.
And I also forwarded their email address to those that did not make the
cutoff and as far as I know, everyone who responded to my original
posting will be getting copies from someone. My original offer
generated over 80 requests. While I only wanted to do 10 or so, I ended
up doing 20 and arranged for the other 60 to get their tapes also.
( I hope, that is...for those of you who have not heard back from me or
from someone I tried to arrange for you to get the tape from, please email
me and I'll follow-up).
I suppose what Im trying to say gary is that I inadverdently used your following
suggestion (see below) and was able to distribute at least 80 copies of the
10/16 tape. I think this is a great effort and I would be happy to continue
in the distribution of tapes.
Mark Boronkay
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>many others were in the same boat, this is a lot of wasted effort.
>It is also very frustrating to keep getting, "Better luck next time" mail.
>Now, don't get me wrong. I understand the effort involved in making tapes for
>people. I think these folks are doing a great thing by providing this
>service for the Nethead community. We just need to streamline the startup
>process. Here's one possibility:
>Assume I have a killer tape of the 2/31/89 Leap Year's Show, and I decide
>to spread it around. I post an announcement, and for a week or so collect
>email responses which say, either in the Subject line or a form-letter body:
> your email address
>whether you are just requesting a tape or volunteering to make further copies
>any other miscellaneous info deemed necessary.
>I then select N volunteers to make tapes, and send them their copies along with a
>list of requests, divvied up from all the requests I received. N may be the total
>number of volunteers, or the number of tapes I am willing to make, or some other number
>chosen to make the number of copies/volunteer low enough. These lucky volunteers
>then reply to the requesters with info about how to proceed, and things continue
>as they do now.
>If requests are in some standard form, this job could easily be handled by some simple
>software ( I'll write it, if anyone's interested... ) If this puts too much burden back
>on the original taper, a third party ( I volunteer ) could handle the requests.
>Then again, maybe there's a better way... Any ideas, folks?
>garry hodgson
>ga...@alice.att.com
>alice!garry
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I think this is a great idea, garry. Count me in!!!!
"Shall we go, you and I while we can..........."
Mark Boronkay
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Bldg 48N Cupertino, CA 95014 WK: (408) 447-5009 HM: (408) 270-2863
internet: boro...@hpcupt1.HP.COM
uucp: hplabs!hpda!hpcupt1!boronkay
Berry Kercheval
>In article <10...@alice.UUCP> ga...@alice.UUCP (garry hodgson) wrote:
>>In article <40...@rtech.rtech.com>, r...@squid.rtech.com (REB) writes:
>>> In article <14...@uvaarpa.virginia.edu> ezu...@pica.army.mil writes:
>>> >Hi Folks,
>>> >I have been officially recognized by the REBster as being an "Authorized
>>> >Dealer" of the famous 10/16 Meadowlands tape ...
>
>minimize the number of generations of tapings.
Well, I got a copy from Dave Lerner and would like to share it with
folks. Unfortunately, I only have one decent tape deck (well,
cassette anyway) and can't make dubs myself. Several friends have the
ability to do this, but I am unwilling to impose on them to this
extent ("Hello, Liegh? I'm coming over to make some tape dupes; I'll
be there for 15 hours and you have to hear the Grateful dead over and
over and over..." -- with some people that might be a plus, but it can
strain the relationship...).
So, I got out the yellow pages and tracked down a local place that
will make casette duplicates for $2.50. This includes the tape, which
the fellow loads himself into shells to match the length of the
original. He says he uses Ampex (sometimes BASF) chrome tape and dubs
in realtime. Sonds like he knows what he's talking about.
My question is, is it totally tacky and like, heavy bad karma (not to
mention borderline illegal) for me to make dupes this way? If it
turns out to OK, I will volunteer to act as agent to get this
distributed and post details of how to order. My inclination is to
ask for either $3.00 to cover the dupe and postage, or send me a
different tape and I'll trade.
Of course if the entire nethead community arises in massive
indignation at this newcomers presumption, I'll abandon the idea and
go back to trying to borrow Leigh's spare deck for a weekend.
--berry
(be...@lll-crg.llnl.gov OR be...@mordor.s1.gov)
--
bERRY Kercheval :: be...@lll-crg.llnl.gov
Mike Tarrani
>In article <67...@portia.Stanford.EDU> kar...@forel.stanford.edu (Chuck Karish) writes:
>
>So, I got out the yellow pages and tracked down a local place that
>will make casette duplicates for $2.50. This includes the tape, which
>the fellow loads himself into shells to match the length of the
>original. He says he uses Ampex (sometimes BASF) chrome tape and dubs
>in realtime. Sonds like he knows what he's talking about.
>
>My question is, is it totally tacky and like, heavy bad karma (not to
>mention borderline illegal) for me to make dupes this way? If it
>turns out to OK, I will volunteer to act as agent to get this
>distributed and post details of how to order. My inclination is to
>ask for either $3.00 to cover the dupe and postage, or send me a
>different tape and I'll trade.
>
>Of course if the entire nethead community arises in massive
>indignation at this newcomers presumption, I'll abandon the idea and
>go back to trying to borrow Leigh's spare deck for a weekend.
>
> --berry
> (be...@lll-crg.llnl.gov OR be...@mordor.s1.gov)
>
>--
>bERRY Kercheval :: be...@lll-crg.llnl.gov
Interesting question raised by Berry. If making tapes in the manner
he suggests is ethical/legal/etc. In fact, as long as there is no profit
I don't see what the possible ethical problems could be. Of course, legal
problems may be there lurking and ready to bite one on the ass.
Taking it a step further, if having tapes made en masse is OK, what
about CDs? I suspect that a CD costs somewhere close to a tape to
mass produce. Imagine some of the classic shows on CD ... the recent
10/16 tape that David Lerner made available would have been all the more
wonderful on CD, for example.
--
Mike Tarrani crash!mtar...@nosc.mil
Network Analyst Network Engineering Technologies
San Diego, CA