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Jim Tarantino
>As a banjo player that has just come out of a cave and started playing
>again, I was interested to see Mike's comments about what trend in songs are
>nowadays. I agree with the songs that were popular about 20 years ago and
>these are the songs that I still play. I am learning "Grandfather's Clock"
>because people keep asking me to play it. I am also learning a non-bluegrass
>song called "Layla" that is done by a group called "Pickin On" because our
>group is all interested in it. I know there are different reasons for
>learning songs. I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn
>and why. Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a recording
>to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)
> Jerry P.
>
Just wrapped up Turning Japanese by The Vapors. Working very hard on
Baby One More Time by Britney Spears. Diving headlong into Bohemian
Rhapsody by Queen next.
My methodology lately has been to import midi files into Tabledit to
get a rough idea of the fingering. I have also been using Cooledit to
slow down and transcribe songs.
Coffee has helped the process along as as well.
Greg Cahill (Banjo Player from Special C) and Don Stiernberg (Mandolin)
recorded a version of "Pretending", which is an Eric Clapton piece, and it's
really cool. (Sammy Bush sings on it too.) You can hear a part of it on line
at:
http://www.donstiernberg.com/sounds.html
(Scroll down to the bottom of the page) Lots of other good jazz and swing
banjo on that album too.
Best Regards,
Paul Vander Woude
Chicago, IL
Born to Tinker
Forced to Work
I'm working through the Scruggs book also- that's an ongoing process- I'm
polishing up Li'l Darlin Pal of Mine.
I like to work up melodic versaions of things after I nail down the "regular"
version, so I'm working on the melodic version of Buffalo Gals.
As for weird stuff, my band's gonna be on a bluegrass tribute to the Ramones
called "Gabba-Gabba Hey Y'all" (no I'm not making this up) Anyway, we did
Chinese Rocks.
Terry
Just worked out "Mr. Sandman, Bring me a Dream", "A Night In Tunisia",
and "Many a New Day" from "Oklahoma!" as solo clawhammer arrangements.
Why? Somebody has to.
> Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a recording to go by?
Sure. But listening to a recording first is easier.
> How do you go about it?
I hum the melody while I find the chord progression, and then I pick the
melody notes out of the chords.
P.
> Jerry Pawloski wrote:
> > How do you go about it?
>
> I hum the melody while I find the chord progression, and then I pick the
> melody notes out of the chords.
That's 'cause Pete knows what he's doing. I, in my own inimitable,
bone-headed, way try to pick the melody out first, then figure out the
chords.
Been trying to pick out Freakwater's "Picture In My Mind" and "One Big
Union."
By the way, anybody have the tabs for those?:)
Tribe
>
> I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn
> and why. Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a
recording
> to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)
> Jerry P.
>
I'm working on the old hymn, "Once To Every Man And Nation", because I think
it is a neat old piece -- I really like the sound of the old 1840-to-1925
hymns on the banjo.
I usually work up arrangements by memory of hearing the piece, although
sometimes I have to double-check my memory of the chords and progressions
with a couple of old hymnals that I've got, or with some of the online
hymnals.
To build an arrangement, I usually start with the melody in mind and then
fit it within the appropriate chord progression, wherever that leads.
Best,
-- Don
Well, it's possible to do it either way around, but for most folks it's
easier to find the chords first.
(Some people will think up the words to a song before they compose
either the chord progression *or* the melody. I've always made up the
chords first, the melody second, and the words last, as do most writers.
To each their own.)
P.
Also working on "Doug's Tune (My Grass is Blue)" from Doug Dillard's tab book.
No comment!! Key word there is WORKING.
Ded
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> I really like the sound of the old 1840-to-1925
>hymns on the banjo.
Don: I can imagine. I REALLY liked your stuff on banjo addiction.
>with a couple of old hymnals that I've got, or with some of the online
>hymnals.
>
could you give me a couple of URLs for these online hymnals? (yes, I could use
google, but why not ask someone who's already found a few good sites?)
jeffstone
goettingen
Thank you for the kind thoughts. I guess like most everyone else here and
on the BA CD, I just love to play.
My favorite online source for hymns is Cyber Hymnal (
http://www.cyberhymnal.org ).
I also use a number of other online hymnals that are sponsored by or related
to specific denominations such as the Pentecostal Online Hymnal (
http://free.gentle.org/users/gospelhymns/page5.html ), HymnSite.com (
http://www.hymnsite.com/ ), Lutheran Hymnal.com (
http://www.lutheran-hymnal.com ), Oremus Hymnal (
http://www.oremus.org/hymnal ) and Digital Hymnal (
http://www.digitalhymnal.org/index.cfm ) (this is the hymnal of the
denomination of my own membership, so while not complete, this online source
does have many of the hymns that I'm most likely to need to know at church).
This list of online sources does continue to grow, so often it *is* most
helpful to scan though Google's listing of "online hymnals".
Two reasons I prefer Cyber Hymnal, though, are because it is very complete
for these older 1840-1925 hymns that I prefer, and related to that, because
most of the hymns listed there were written before 1923, so they are in the
public domain and there is no concern about copyright as long as I use my
own arrangements.
I've also got a couple of old out-of-print hymnals that are good sources. I
really don't sight-read music, but sometimes I'll sit down and decipher the
notes that I need to hear on the piano if there isn't an audio source that I
can more easily listen to.
Best,
-- Don
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Like you, I've not been able to find this song online, nor have I been able
to find it in my old hymnals. I think you're right, it may be a Stoneman
composition.
Most of the online hymnals try not to use copyrighted materials, so that
could also explain why this song is not listed with them.
Could this song be more widely known by a different name?
Best,
-- Don
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Gillespie Gail wrote:
> Does anyone know if the Stoneman family published any song books that may
> have included this song? ("Watch and Pray")
Calling Ivan Tribe to answer this question!
Author is Ivan M. Tribe
Title is The Stonemans. An Appalachian Family and the Music That Shaped Their
Lives
Carl
Cool, that is some good research!
-- Don
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article RuJf9.4868$HT2....@nwrddc04.gnilink.net, Don Hergert at
7223...@compuserveN05pAm.com wrote on 9/11/02 8:41 AM:
<< Yes, I've become somewhat obsessed with E.V. Stoneman & family :-) and I
have in fact just read Ivan Tribe's facinating book on the Stoneman clan. >>
Have you tried contacting Ronnie Stoneman directly? She'd probably be able to
tell you if such exists.
She was at the Tennessee Banjo Institute - Calvin Minner, or Bobby Fulcher
could probably put you in touch with her.
Best-
Ed Britt
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in article B9A4F153.1CB46%gai...@mindspring.com, Gillespie Gail at
gai...@mindspring.com wrote on 9/11/02 10:13 AM:
> I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn
> and why.
The Flowing Tide. Just like the tune... I've put an example midi at
http://www.folkinfo.org/midi/flowingtide.mid
>Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a recording
> to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)
Sometimes if I've heard a tune often enough in sessions, bits come together
and on rare occasions with me but more common with others, you can even find
you have learned to play a new tune without even realising you have been
working on it.
Jon
Spanish Grass and Stones Rag (Just as I got Spanish Grass working
right, Someone here said a fellow picker said "Lets Return to
Bluegrass"). But I still like it, and there's been a ton of great
pickers out there that have recorded it.
Eat, Sleep and Pick
Marshall H.
I don't use tab; it interferes with my learning process. What I want to play
has to first get into my head. That may mean listening to a particular
recording, or more likely absorbing it from different sources over a period
of time. But one way or the other, I have to first be able to hear what I
want to play in my head. That usually means I can also hear the chord
progression. Or rather, at least one simple harmonization of the melody.
Then, like Pete, I use that harmonic structure to find the melody notes on
the fingerboard.
Ignoring choking and tuner antics, the possible notes on a fretted banjo are
12 per octave in the tempered chromatic scale (i.e. white and black piano
keys). Many traditional and popular tunes use a simpler scale, something
that can transpose to just white piano keys (8 per octave). Although I can't
hear a melody and know where all the notes are, if I listen (internally) to
the chords that harmonize that melody, it narrows the choices to a few notes
per octave, which is close enough to be able to guess right most of the
time. If the guess os wrong, it still fits the chord progression, and
usually sounds better than, say, missing the right note by a half-tone (one
fret).
-Bob
My first attempt has been a Latvian folk song. The standard music notation I
have is in F, and I found the first two notes to make sure I was humming in
the right key. Then I just started to try to hum the song while vamping
around with F, B-flat and C chords (the I, IV and V) until I had the chord
progression down. Then I went hunting for the melody notes in those chords.
There were only a few I had to leave standard major-chord fingerings for. I
picked rolls that make the notes fall at or near where I want them and now I
can play the song in two octaves.
The interesting thing is that I just left it in F - without re-tuning the
G-string - even though all the fingerings would work two frets up at G as
well. The result, with the G-string ringing once or twice per measure in the
background, producing 9ths, is an almost disonnant sound. But I like it. It
sounds "tense". Next I want to pick two more Latvian standards and work up a
medley.When and if I ever get back to Latvia, the natives will love it (or
hang me from the nearest berch tree).
Mark
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( )=='=::
1) I'm brushing up "Fireball Mail" in melodic style. It seems to me
this is a beautiful tune to be rendered that way. Though a little bit
challenging in the up-the-neck part.
.
2) The other song is one of my old favorites: J.Cash's "I walk the
line", which I'm working out in clawhammer style.
.
> How do you go about it?
.
When working out tunes in clawhammer, I make myself a point to stay as
close as possible to the melody, (preferably) taken on the 4th and 3rd
strings.
After having the melody notes for all the song written down on paper,
I insert the strum for the relevant chords. So, after some minor
re-arranging, I have a sort of tablature on which I start making
exercise.
Maybe this is not the best way to work out songs in this style but,
being rather new to clawhammer, I have seen it works for me.
.
More or less the same for 3-finger style: after selecting all the
melody notes, I insert the fitting rolls and licks. Where I seem it is
appropriate, I usually try to fill spaces by fiddlizing a measure (or
part of it). This process is obviously made by pencil and paper first,
then actually tested on the banjo. Sometimes, with a bit of luck, I
come up with pretty little melodic licks. I do like to link melody
notes by wandering around them with adjacent scale tones.
.
All the best,
Dale
I'm working a different version of Caravan.
Pierre bastide
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good pickin to you
Michael
http://banjobasics.virtualave.net/
"Jerry Pawloski" <lwm...@salsgiver.com> wrote in message
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> As a banjo player that has just come out of a cave and started playing
> again, I was interested to see Mike's comments about what trend in songs
are
> nowadays. I agree with the songs that were popular about 20 years ago and
> these are the songs that I still play. I am learning "Grandfather's Clock"
> because people keep asking me to play it. I am also learning a
non-bluegrass
> song called "Layla" that is done by a group called "Pickin On" because our
> group is all interested in it. I know there are different reasons for
> learning songs. I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to
learn
> and why. Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a
recording
> to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)
> Jerry P.
>
>
>
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You will be happy to know our band is working on Kane's River's "Take me back
home" a great little tune. Now if I can just remember that syncopated
pickroll Julie taught me......:o{(
Ded
Nola. (Arendt,ca1914?)
As I've known for a long time, my mom's favourite tune. ...which she
only just told me she tried to learn on the piano as a wee girl and
never quite managed. Should I now have mixed emotions? oh well.
I'm learning it on piano first (still lurking most with my new/old
piano), and it is fun to get all those fast triplets running smoothly.
What a happy tune!
Now it's in my head I can play it flatpicked guitar in C, mainly...arrgghh!
I bet there's tab out there in spades (I'm herein confessin' to tab
dabbling), but I'm going to work out a banjo approach alone, mainly so I
won't be trying to remember someone's something, hereonin, all the time.
Cut a load of firewood today. Dead standing Lodgepole. Burns fast but
carries easy. Hmmm...like a fiddle. Did I mention my Nola on the
fiddle? Correct.
robb
>My first attempt has been a Latvian folk song.
Mark: way cool!
What brought me very indirectly to the banjo is my love of folk music from
around the world. After a while I thought, "Uh...what about your OWN folk
music." My instinct tells me that we basically don't have any folk music left
in America...but that's for another discussion in another place at another
time, preferably in a flame-proof cell in about fifty years. For now I just
find it interesting to try to discover my roots through learning the banjo and
a few old chestnuts that my ancestors probably played. But I still very much
like the idea of taking an American folk instrument like the banjo and playing
other folk music with it, just for fun. Latvian is a good start. I'd love to
hear what you do with it.
jeffstone
goettingen
Do I sense a medley in the making?
Kevin
We recently passed that one over but I love that tune. Also great is
"Richmond" where the guy tells all his girls back home that he won't be long,
he just has to ride with Custer into Montana for a few days and then he'll be
back home to Richmond. What a wonderful song!!
Ded
I've been playing it for a while but when Jay Buckey listens to me, he says
that there are a couple of single notes that are not quite right. I'm
almost up to 200 bpm but it's hard to hear what he is talking about to fix
the problem. It sound okay to me and I can't hear what he's talking about.
I'm still working on it until he's happy.
Vernon Ursenbach
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I'm a big fan of Jay's stuff. I have banjo v1-v5 and dobro v1-v3. *Very*
well done.
Michael
--
Michael Nelson San Francisco, CA
Vernon Ursenbach
Anyway, the version of The Big Scioty on this CD is a nice job with guitar,
dobro & a little banjo and sounds also like a little dulcimer in there too, but
no fiddle (odd for a fiddle tune). So that's the version I'm learning. Anyone
who'd like a copy, please email me directly (smk...@aol.com) and I'll forward
you the mp3 file.
Steve Kranz
Homebrewer extraordinaire, banjo player mediocaire.
Visit the Midnight Homebrewers' League web site at:
http://members.aol.com/midnightbrewers/index.htm
Also heard Dick Kimmel is sitting in with us at an informal family-type
gathering. If you haven't heard of him, he is a great clawhammer player from
Minnesota. Rips up a mean mando too. Should be fun Wednesday night.
Ded
2. Shelton Special (Various Versions) - helps improve "inside" roll.
3. Dixie Breakdown - Reno style, I already play several "Scruggs" versions.
It helps improve my single string technique.
4. Silver Bell - working on another version. I play several versions
already. Since the tone modulates from the key of "C" to the key of "G", it
doesn't seem to be played very often.
5. Stoney Creek - I LOVE modal tunes.
6. Kansas City Railroad Blues - I need another tune in the key of C.
Beside, I like this tune. I have the Nashville Bluegrass Band playing this
tune on one of my CD's. It is a real "toe tapper".
The 4/4 vs 2/4 confusion strikes again.
Jay Buckey defines his bpm rate based on 4/4 time, so that there are 2
notes picked per beat. Foggy Mountain Breakdown (in Scrugg's book) is
in 2/4 time, which gives 4 notes picked per beat. This is also
apparently the "standard" among banjo players when specifying bpm
rates, even if the tune is in 4/4 time.
The short of it: Earlier in this thread, F. Linch said that he can
play FMB at 145 bpm. This would be 290 bpm by Jay Buckey's measure.
-Rob
HBJ