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Jerry Pawloski

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Sep 10, 2002, 5:21:03 PM9/10/02
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As a banjo player that has just come out of a cave and started playing
again, I was interested to see Mike's comments about what trend in songs are
nowadays. I agree with the songs that were popular about 20 years ago and
these are the songs that I still play. I am learning "Grandfather's Clock"
because people keep asking me to play it. I am also learning a non-bluegrass
song called "Layla" that is done by a group called "Pickin On" because our
group is all interested in it. I know there are different reasons for
learning songs. I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn
and why. Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a recording
to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)
Jerry P.


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Marinade

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Sep 10, 2002, 2:35:49 PM9/10/02
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Layla is a really cool tune. Years back I worked on the unplugged version just
to give guitar players a run for their money and the other reason isthat I
actually like Clapton. I got a hold of guitar tab for the Unplugged version and
refingered the "E" to "D" and worked on the first four strings. To go after
uncharted or untabbed banjo material I hit the web and try to find either
chord/lyrics or a standing midi file. The midi files are becoming more rare
because of copyright posse's. I work from these sources and then if I can, I
run the original recording thru Transkreiber for slow downs. I hang out with a
lot of really good acoustic musicians who play some really beautiful and valid
music. I don't try to dovetail a bluegrass or Ol' Timey idiom on them but just
try to get there phrasings down. Currently I'm working on Pat Cloud's
arrangement of "In Walked Bud" from this month's Banjo Newsletter.

Jim Tarantino

Steve Harder-Kucera

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Sep 10, 2002, 3:56:20 PM9/10/02
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:21:03 -0700, "Jerry Pawloski"
<lwm...@salsgiver.com> wrote:

>As a banjo player that has just come out of a cave and started playing
>again, I was interested to see Mike's comments about what trend in songs are
>nowadays. I agree with the songs that were popular about 20 years ago and
>these are the songs that I still play. I am learning "Grandfather's Clock"
>because people keep asking me to play it. I am also learning a non-bluegrass
>song called "Layla" that is done by a group called "Pickin On" because our
>group is all interested in it. I know there are different reasons for
>learning songs. I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn
>and why. Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a recording
>to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)
> Jerry P.
>

Just wrapped up Turning Japanese by The Vapors. Working very hard on
Baby One More Time by Britney Spears. Diving headlong into Bohemian
Rhapsody by Queen next.

My methodology lately has been to import midi files into Tabledit to
get a rough idea of the fingering. I have also been using Cooledit to
slow down and transcribe songs.

Coffee has helped the process along as as well.

Paulsv

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Sep 10, 2002, 5:25:20 PM9/10/02
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Jim T sez:
>Layla is a really cool tune. Years back I worked on the unplugged version
>just
>to give guitar players a run for their money and the other reason isthat I
>actually like Clapton.

Greg Cahill (Banjo Player from Special C) and Don Stiernberg (Mandolin)
recorded a version of "Pretending", which is an Eric Clapton piece, and it's
really cool. (Sammy Bush sings on it too.) You can hear a part of it on line
at:

http://www.donstiernberg.com/sounds.html

(Scroll down to the bottom of the page) Lots of other good jazz and swing
banjo on that album too.

Best Regards,


Paul Vander Woude
Chicago, IL

Born to Tinker
Forced to Work

TornDesign

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Sep 10, 2002, 6:34:33 PM9/10/02
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I kinda have several agendas going at once... My teacher's got me working on
Deputy Dalton and Pony Express because they complement some of the chord theory
exercises he's got me going on.

I'm working through the Scruggs book also- that's an ongoing process- I'm
polishing up Li'l Darlin Pal of Mine.

I like to work up melodic versaions of things after I nail down the "regular"
version, so I'm working on the melodic version of Buffalo Gals.

As for weird stuff, my band's gonna be on a bluegrass tribute to the Ramones
called "Gabba-Gabba Hey Y'all" (no I'm not making this up) Anyway, we did
Chinese Rocks.

Terry


Peter Roehling

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Sep 10, 2002, 7:39:25 PM9/10/02
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Jerry Pawloski wrote:
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> I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn and why.

Just worked out "Mr. Sandman, Bring me a Dream", "A Night In Tunisia",
and "Many a New Day" from "Oklahoma!" as solo clawhammer arrangements.
Why? Somebody has to.

> Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a recording to go by?

Sure. But listening to a recording first is easier.

> How do you go about it?

I hum the melody while I find the chord progression, and then I pick the
melody notes out of the chords.

P.

Tribe

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Sep 10, 2002, 8:25:40 PM9/10/02
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Peter Roehling <peter_r...@eee.org> wrote:

> Jerry Pawloski wrote:

> > How do you go about it?
>
> I hum the melody while I find the chord progression, and then I pick the
> melody notes out of the chords.

That's 'cause Pete knows what he's doing. I, in my own inimitable,
bone-headed, way try to pick the melody out first, then figure out the
chords.

Been trying to pick out Freakwater's "Picture In My Mind" and "One Big
Union."

By the way, anybody have the tabs for those?:)

Tribe

sundog

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Sep 10, 2002, 10:07:34 PM9/10/02
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I`m working on Over The Rainbow in G tuning in clawhammer.It works out
pretty well by ear.....Sundog


Don Hergert

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Sep 10, 2002, 11:53:16 PM9/10/02
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Hi Jerry,

>
> I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn
> and why. Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a
recording
> to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)
> Jerry P.
>

I'm working on the old hymn, "Once To Every Man And Nation", because I think
it is a neat old piece -- I really like the sound of the old 1840-to-1925
hymns on the banjo.

I usually work up arrangements by memory of hearing the piece, although
sometimes I have to double-check my memory of the chords and progressions
with a couple of old hymnals that I've got, or with some of the online
hymnals.

To build an arrangement, I usually start with the melody in mind and then
fit it within the appropriate chord progression, wherever that leads.

Best,

-- Don

Peter Roehling

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Sep 11, 2002, 12:36:32 AM9/11/02
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Tribe wrote:

>
> Peter Roehling <peter_r...@eee.org> wrote:
> >
> > I hum the melody while I find the chord progression, and then I pick the
> > melody notes out of the chords.
>
> That's 'cause Pete knows what he's doing. I, in my own inimitable,
> bone-headed, way try to pick the melody out first, then figure out the
> chords.

Well, it's possible to do it either way around, but for most folks it's
easier to find the chords first.

(Some people will think up the words to a song before they compose
either the chord progression *or* the melody. I've always made up the
chords first, the melody second, and the words last, as do most writers.
To each their own.)

P.

DEDCENTER

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Sep 11, 2002, 1:03:11 AM9/11/02
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Currently working on "Old Man" by Neil Young on openback using a
three-finger-plunking sound only I am wierd enough to play. Sounds cool, guys.
Hope I can stamp up and down and cry enough to get my band to do it. You
know, "Awwww, c'mon guys!!"

Also working on "Doug's Tune (My Grass is Blue)" from Doug Dillard's tab book.
No comment!! Key word there is WORKING.

Ded

Banjo Dolt

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Sep 11, 2002, 1:16:57 AM9/11/02
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Soldier's Joy in double D. I'm working on two others in the same
tuning; so it just stands to reason. And I kind of like it! :-)

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Jstone999

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Sep 11, 2002, 3:28:16 AM9/11/02
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Been trying to clawhammer "Tequila," but I think it might work better 3-finger
style.

jeffstone
goettingen

Jstone999

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Sep 11, 2002, 3:28:17 AM9/11/02
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Im Artikel <M6zf9.7071$yd6....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, "Don Hergert"
<7223...@compuserveN05pAm.com> schreibt:

> I really like the sound of the old 1840-to-1925
>hymns on the banjo.

Don: I can imagine. I REALLY liked your stuff on banjo addiction.

>with a couple of old hymnals that I've got, or with some of the online
>hymnals.
>

could you give me a couple of URLs for these online hymnals? (yes, I could use
google, but why not ask someone who's already found a few good sites?)

jeffstone
goettingen


Don Hergert

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Sep 11, 2002, 4:34:16 AM9/11/02
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Hi Jeff,

Thank you for the kind thoughts. I guess like most everyone else here and
on the BA CD, I just love to play.

My favorite online source for hymns is Cyber Hymnal (
http://www.cyberhymnal.org ).

I also use a number of other online hymnals that are sponsored by or related
to specific denominations such as the Pentecostal Online Hymnal (
http://free.gentle.org/users/gospelhymns/page5.html ), HymnSite.com (
http://www.hymnsite.com/ ), Lutheran Hymnal.com (
http://www.lutheran-hymnal.com ), Oremus Hymnal (
http://www.oremus.org/hymnal ) and Digital Hymnal (
http://www.digitalhymnal.org/index.cfm ) (this is the hymnal of the
denomination of my own membership, so while not complete, this online source
does have many of the hymns that I'm most likely to need to know at church).

This list of online sources does continue to grow, so often it *is* most
helpful to scan though Google's listing of "online hymnals".

Two reasons I prefer Cyber Hymnal, though, are because it is very complete
for these older 1840-1925 hymns that I prefer, and related to that, because
most of the hymns listed there were written before 1923, so they are in the
public domain and there is no concern about copyright as long as I use my
own arrangements.

I've also got a couple of old out-of-print hymnals that are good sources. I
really don't sight-read music, but sometimes I'll sit down and decipher the
notes that I need to hear on the piano if there isn't an audio source that I
can more easily listen to.

Best,

-- Don

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Gillespie Gail

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Sep 11, 2002, 9:47:57 AM9/11/02
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Hello banjo group,
I've been having difficulty finding lyrics for a Stoneman song/hymn titled
"Watch and Pray." It doesn't seem to be listed in any of the sites below nor
can I find it in the usual Stamps-Baxter & Vaughn type of gospel books. I
believe the family composed "There's a Light Lit up in Galilee," another
wonderful song they recorded, and it's possible that "Watch and Pray" is
also of their own invention. Any help with the words to the verses would be
appreciated. I can hear the chorus but often when Uncle Eck Dunford is
singing the words can become a bit, shall we say, garbled. :-)
Gail
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Don Hergert

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Sep 11, 2002, 10:04:02 AM9/11/02
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Hi Gail,

Like you, I've not been able to find this song online, nor have I been able
to find it in my old hymnals. I think you're right, it may be a Stoneman
composition.

Most of the online hymnals try not to use copyrighted materials, so that
could also explain why this song is not listed with them.

Could this song be more widely known by a different name?

Best,

-- Don

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Gillespie Gail

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Does anyone know if the Stoneman family published any song books that may
have included this song? ("Watch and Pray")
G
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Carl Baron

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Gillespie Gail wrote:

> Does anyone know if the Stoneman family published any song books that may
> have included this song? ("Watch and Pray")

Calling Ivan Tribe to answer this question!
Author is Ivan M. Tribe
Title is The Stonemans. An Appalachian Family and the Music That Shaped Their
Lives
Carl

Don Hergert

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Sep 11, 2002, 11:41:37 AM9/11/02
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Hi Carl,

Cool, that is some good research!

-- Don

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Gillespie Gail

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Sep 11, 2002, 11:56:11 AM9/11/02
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Hello,
Yes, I've become somewhat obsessed with E.V. Stoneman & family :-) and I
have in fact just read Ivan Tribe's facinating book on the Stoneman clan.
There is a discography in its appendix that lists their entire recording
history and it impresses on you the staggering output of the family from the
edison disk era to the LP to the CD era. No song words however. Though I
have located sheet music to some of the songs recorded by E.V. Stoneman and
associates on line (some nearby at Duke) I remain stumped with the verses to
"Watch and Pray."
Gail

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Brittles

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<< Gillespie Gail gai...@mindspring.com >>


<< Yes, I've become somewhat obsessed with E.V. Stoneman & family :-) and I
have in fact just read Ivan Tribe's facinating book on the Stoneman clan. >>


Have you tried contacting Ronnie Stoneman directly? She'd probably be able to
tell you if such exists.

She was at the Tennessee Banjo Institute - Calvin Minner, or Bobby Fulcher
could probably put you in touch with her.

Best-
Ed Britt
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Gillespie Gail

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Thanks Ed,
I believe Roni Stoneman will be at Ferrum college on Oct. for a show at the
Blueridge Folklife Festival - added motivation to get on up there!
Gail

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Gillespie Gail

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Oops, I meant to say Oct. 26th for the Blueridge Folklife Festival. Here's a
website URL if anyone's thinking of going:
www.blueridgemusic.org
Gail

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Jon Freeman

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Jerry Pawloski <lwm...@salsgiver.com> wrote

> I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn
> and why.

The Flowing Tide. Just like the tune... I've put an example midi at
http://www.folkinfo.org/midi/flowingtide.mid

>Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a recording
> to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)

Sometimes if I've heard a tune often enough in sessions, bits come together
and on rare occasions with me but more common with others, you can even find
you have learned to play a new tune without even realising you have been
working on it.

Jon


Mike Stanger

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Sep 11, 2002, 8:56:05 PM9/11/02
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Hi, Jerry...
I'm messing around with "Alabama Jubilee" these days for no particularly
good reason- just like the tune.
I almost always start by finding the melody notes first, then fit chords
to it. then i try to work out the best fitting rolls, then try a few
strange passing chords. Pretty soon, it sounds nothing like the original
tune!
Regards,
Stanger

M. Hendrickson

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Sep 11, 2002, 9:18:14 PM9/11/02
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Spanish Grass and Stones Rag (Just as I got Spanish Grass working
right, Someone here said a fellow picker said "Lets Return to
Bluegrass"). But I still like it, and there's been a ton of great
pickers out there that have recorded it.

Eat, Sleep and Pick
Marshall H.

Bob Gregory

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Sep 11, 2002, 11:59:47 PM9/11/02
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"Jerry Pawloski" wrote
> ...Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a recording
> to go by? How do you go about it?...

I don't use tab; it interferes with my learning process. What I want to play
has to first get into my head. That may mean listening to a particular
recording, or more likely absorbing it from different sources over a period
of time. But one way or the other, I have to first be able to hear what I
want to play in my head. That usually means I can also hear the chord
progression. Or rather, at least one simple harmonization of the melody.
Then, like Pete, I use that harmonic structure to find the melody notes on
the fingerboard.

Ignoring choking and tuner antics, the possible notes on a fretted banjo are
12 per octave in the tempered chromatic scale (i.e. white and black piano
keys). Many traditional and popular tunes use a simpler scale, something
that can transpose to just white piano keys (8 per octave). Although I can't
hear a melody and know where all the notes are, if I listen (internally) to
the chords that harmonize that melody, it narrows the choices to a few notes
per octave, which is close enough to be able to guess right most of the
time. If the guess os wrong, it still fits the chord progression, and
usually sounds better than, say, missing the right note by a half-tone (one
fret).

-Bob


Mark R. Hatlie

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Sep 12, 2002, 4:17:05 AM9/12/02
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I am doing my very first attempts to figure out an arrangement on my own
without any tab. I started banjo exactly two years ago, so I figure 'tis
time.

My first attempt has been a Latvian folk song. The standard music notation I
have is in F, and I found the first two notes to make sure I was humming in
the right key. Then I just started to try to hum the song while vamping
around with F, B-flat and C chords (the I, IV and V) until I had the chord
progression down. Then I went hunting for the melody notes in those chords.
There were only a few I had to leave standard major-chord fingerings for. I
picked rolls that make the notes fall at or near where I want them and now I
can play the song in two octaves.

The interesting thing is that I just left it in F - without re-tuning the
G-string - even though all the fingerings would work two frets up at G as
well. The result, with the G-string ringing once or twice per measure in the
background, producing 9ths, is an almost disonnant sound. But I like it. It
sounds "tense". Next I want to pick two more Latvian standards and work up a
medley.When and if I ever get back to Latvia, the natives will love it (or
hang me from the nearest berch tree).

Mark

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Gianni D'Alessandro

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Sep 12, 2002, 8:40:43 AM9/12/02
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"Jerry Pawloski" <lwm...@salsgiver.com> wrote in message news:<3d7e3...@corp.newsgroups.com>...
.

> I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to learn
.
Currently I'm working on two pieces:

1) I'm brushing up "Fireball Mail" in melodic style. It seems to me
this is a beautiful tune to be rendered that way. Though a little bit
challenging in the up-the-neck part.
.
2) The other song is one of my old favorites: J.Cash's "I walk the
line", which I'm working out in clawhammer style.
.


> How do you go about it?
.

When working out tunes in clawhammer, I make myself a point to stay as
close as possible to the melody, (preferably) taken on the 4th and 3rd
strings.
After having the melody notes for all the song written down on paper,
I insert the strum for the relevant chords. So, after some minor
re-arranging, I have a sort of tablature on which I start making
exercise.
Maybe this is not the best way to work out songs in this style but,
being rather new to clawhammer, I have seen it works for me.
.
More or less the same for 3-finger style: after selecting all the
melody notes, I insert the fitting rolls and licks. Where I seem it is
appropriate, I usually try to fill spaces by fiddlizing a measure (or
part of it). This process is obviously made by pencil and paper first,
then actually tested on the banjo. Sometimes, with a bit of luck, I
come up with pretty little melodic licks. I do like to link melody
notes by wandering around them with adjacent scale tones.
.
All the best,
Dale

Pierre Bastide

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Sep 12, 2002, 9:26:53 AM9/12/02
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Hi...

I'm working a different version of Caravan.

Pierre bastide
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mhofer

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Sep 12, 2002, 2:50:26 PM9/12/02
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hi Jerry,
Being recruited by a new band recently Im trying to catch up on all the
songs they do.
While I know a great many of them, our mandolin/ flat top player has been
tossing down the gauntlet for me to learn alot of new tunes. (well new to
me)
Im currently ironing out "Temperance Reel"
"North of the Holston" "Red Haired Boy"
"Red Haired Boy" presents some interesting fingering challenges. All of
these are fiddle tunes, and Im playing them in melodic three finger style.
I learn by hearing the songs and noodling them out, if its really tough Ill
search for tab. Im also working on "Old Timey Risin Damp" which Im still
trying to figure out the altered tuning, ( no answer to my post on that )
Recently I worked out "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" 3 finger style in C , as
my band buddy challenged, me and we have a really cool arrangement for it, I
hope to record soon.
I have to pass on a little thanks here to I think it was Vern who posted
"GhostChickens" Ive been having a blast with that one at the jams lately.
Gotta work on my clucks though.

good pickin to you
Michael
http://banjobasics.virtualave.net/

"Jerry Pawloski" <lwm...@salsgiver.com> wrote in message
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> As a banjo player that has just come out of a cave and started playing
> again, I was interested to see Mike's comments about what trend in songs
are
> nowadays. I agree with the songs that were popular about 20 years ago and
> these are the songs that I still play. I am learning "Grandfather's Clock"
> because people keep asking me to play it. I am also learning a
non-bluegrass
> song called "Layla" that is done by a group called "Pickin On" because our
> group is all interested in it. I know there are different reasons for
> learning songs. I was curious about what songs everyone is trying to
learn
> and why. Does anyone just work there own songs up without tab or a
recording


> to go by? How do you go about it?( Maybe too far)
> Jerry P.
>
>
>
>

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Banjo Larry

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I am working on "How High the Moon", more or less Scruggs style and
melodic version of "Liberty" in d tuning. Fun stuff. It seems like I
always have a couple at least that I am working on at the same time.
STill working on The World is Waiting for the Sunrise" also

DEDCENTER

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Sep 13, 2002, 12:48:06 AM9/13/02
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Oh, Mike Stanger,

You will be happy to know our band is working on Kane's River's "Take me back
home" a great little tune. Now if I can just remember that syncopated
pickroll Julie taught me......:o{(

Ded

robb grant

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Sep 13, 2002, 2:42:18 AM9/13/02
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Do tunes count?

Nola. (Arendt,ca1914?)

As I've known for a long time, my mom's favourite tune. ...which she
only just told me she tried to learn on the piano as a wee girl and
never quite managed. Should I now have mixed emotions? oh well.

I'm learning it on piano first (still lurking most with my new/old
piano), and it is fun to get all those fast triplets running smoothly.
What a happy tune!

Now it's in my head I can play it flatpicked guitar in C, mainly...arrgghh!

I bet there's tab out there in spades (I'm herein confessin' to tab
dabbling), but I'm going to work out a banjo approach alone, mainly so I
won't be trying to remember someone's something, hereonin, all the time.

Cut a load of firewood today. Dead standing Lodgepole. Burns fast but
carries easy. Hmmm...like a fiddle. Did I mention my Nola on the
fiddle? Correct.

robb

Jstone999

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Sep 13, 2002, 3:23:48 AM9/13/02
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Im Artikel <alpiht$8ut$1...@newsserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de>, "Mark R. Hatlie"
<mark....@uni-tuebingen.de> schreibt:

>My first attempt has been a Latvian folk song.

Mark: way cool!

What brought me very indirectly to the banjo is my love of folk music from
around the world. After a while I thought, "Uh...what about your OWN folk
music." My instinct tells me that we basically don't have any folk music left
in America...but that's for another discussion in another place at another
time, preferably in a flame-proof cell in about fifty years. For now I just
find it interesting to try to discover my roots through learning the banjo and
a few old chestnuts that my ancestors probably played. But I still very much
like the idea of taking an American folk instrument like the banjo and playing
other folk music with it, just for fun. Latvian is a good start. I'd love to
hear what you do with it.

jeffstone
goettingen

Kevin Chaffee

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Sep 13, 2002, 1:42:15 PM9/13/02
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This week I've been working on Forked Deer and Thelonious Monk's Bemsha Swing.

Do I sense a medley in the making?

Kevin

Banjo Larry

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Sep 13, 2002, 5:05:00 PM9/13/02
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Nola is a great tune. Bill Keith recorded that on one of his albums
that I have. I learned it from a tab by Janet Davis years ago. Still
like to play that one-it is such a happy tune and so much fun to play.
Good luck with it.

Mike Stanger

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Sep 13, 2002, 7:26:03 PM9/13/02
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Hi, Ded...
After you get that one down, see if you can figure out "buffalo jump".
Great tune in D minor John and Julie came up with a few years ago...
Regards,
Stanger

DEDCENTER

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Sep 13, 2002, 11:33:12 PM9/13/02
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We recently passed that one over but I love that tune. Also great is
"Richmond" where the guy tells all his girls back home that he won't be long,
he just has to ride with Custer into Montana for a few days and then he'll be
back home to Richmond. What a wonderful song!!

Ded

Shortnin' Bred

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Sep 14, 2002, 2:47:31 AM9/14/02
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Foggy Mountain Breakdown

I've been playing it for a while but when Jay Buckey listens to me, he says
that there are a couple of single notes that are not quite right. I'm
almost up to 200 bpm but it's hard to hear what he is talking about to fix
the problem. It sound okay to me and I can't hear what he's talking about.
I'm still working on it until he's happy.

Vernon Ursenbach
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Tom Mc Nemar

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Sep 14, 2002, 7:24:51 AM9/14/02
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El Cumbanchero. Using Jay Buckey's tab. I find it to be rather challenging
to say the least......

Tom


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F.Linch

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Sep 14, 2002, 11:27:13 AM9/14/02
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Whoa... 200 bpm? Are you talking standard metronome speed (like the
old fashioned clicking type) or some kind of software metronome. I
think that Scruggs back in the 60's played FMB at 165 bpm. I've only
been playing playing for 2 - 3 years, but the fastest I can play it is
145 bpm. But 200? Wow, *that* would definitely be impressive!

HBJ

F.Linch

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Sep 14, 2002, 12:33:28 PM9/14/02
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I'm currently tackling Bela Fleck's "Slipstream". Haven't really
decided whether or not it's over my head, but I'm still giving it a
shot. This is the first Fleck tune that I've tried... some of them
are just totally unapproachable for me (at this point in time,
anyhow!).

Shortnin' Bred

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Sep 15, 2002, 2:33:28 AM9/15/02
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That is a very good one and yes his arrangement is challenging.


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Shortnin' Bred

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Sep 15, 2002, 2:43:22 AM9/15/02
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It goes with the Virtual Band Program. The songs are recorded on CDs at
different speeds for you to play along with. Start slow and move on the
next speed on the same song. Jay Buckey originally used a metronome through
a headset to guarantee that the songs are recorded at a true 100, 150 or 200
bpm, etc. The fastest speed includes a couple of breaks for banjo, other
instruments and vocals. This forces you to play the backup as well as the
banjo break.

Tom Mc Nemar

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Sep 15, 2002, 5:34:17 AM9/15/02
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Yes, I have Virtual Band 3 and 4 and like them alot. The format (tab/CD) is
very nice. El Cumbanchero forces me to do some things I don't usually
do.... like getting my fat thumb around to fret the 5th string. Having a
little trouble getting it to note cleanly but I'm getting there.

Tom.


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F.Linch

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Sep 15, 2002, 11:38:36 AM9/15/02
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There's got to be some discrepency in speed measuring among software
then, that's for sure. I use the "Band in a Box" software for
practicing, and also have a real metronome... BIAB's is dead on when
it comes to comparing it to a "real" metronome in terms of speed. Out
of curiosity, is there a demo of Virtual Band available for download
anywhere? I did a search, but didn't come up anything worthwhile.
Would you happen to have an mp3 of you playing FMB at that speed? I'd
KILL to hear something that fast! I don't doubt you, and maybe I've
got to work on my speed more, but damn, that'd be impressive! :-)

HBJ

Michael Nelson

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Sep 15, 2002, 11:57:31 AM9/15/02
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I'm a big fan of Jay's stuff. I have banjo v1-v5 and dobro v1-v3. *Very*
well done.

Michael

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Michael Nelson San Francisco, CA

Shortnin' Bred

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Sep 16, 2002, 3:01:40 AM9/16/02
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No, there is not a place to download a demo of Virtual Band, at least, not
any more. However, you can sort of place a couple of things together by
listening to some FREE sample mp3s at
http://www.jaybuckey.com/Free%20MP3s.htm and then compare them with the FREE
tab at http://www.jaybuckey.com/FREE%20Music%20and%20Tab.htm This will give
you an idea of what the Virtual Band is like.

Vernon Ursenbach


SMKRANZ

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Sep 19, 2002, 8:03:08 AM9/19/02
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I'm trying to teach myself The Big Scioto (or, Big Scioty) -- clawhammer -- to
accompany a friend who plays fiddle. He recently learned the song...a lilting
little dance tune named after an Ohio river...but as with so many songs, it
seems there is more than one version. I downloaded a clawhammer version, but
my friend sent me a version he found on a CD set put out by folks on a
flatpicker's newsgroup (similar to the Banjo Addiction project, I
suppose...which I missed out on :( --anyone interested in burning a copy would
be greatly appreciated!). Might also buy one of Dwight Diller's CD's where he
has recorded the song, to see if his version is differrent still.

Anyway, the version of The Big Scioty on this CD is a nice job with guitar,
dobro & a little banjo and sounds also like a little dulcimer in there too, but
no fiddle (odd for a fiddle tune). So that's the version I'm learning. Anyone
who'd like a copy, please email me directly (smk...@aol.com) and I'll forward
you the mp3 file.

Steve Kranz
Homebrewer extraordinaire, banjo player mediocaire.
Visit the Midnight Homebrewers' League web site at:
http://members.aol.com/midnightbrewers/index.htm

DEDCENTER

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Sep 21, 2002, 12:38:21 AM9/21/02
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Gotta tell you guys, the band jumped right into Neil Young's "Old Man" and
Kane's River's "Take Me Back Home". We had a blast. What fun it is to learn
new songs as a band. Whew, and what work. But we just seem to chew right into
'em. I feel good about Cotton Wood tonight!

Also heard Dick Kimmel is sitting in with us at an informal family-type
gathering. If you haven't heard of him, he is a great clawhammer player from
Minnesota. Rips up a mean mando too. Should be fun Wednesday night.

Ded

Richard A Hauser

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Sep 21, 2002, 1:54:51 PM9/21/02
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1. Blackberry Blossom - a version that consists of nothing but "M-I-M-T"
rolls for the first part.

2. Shelton Special (Various Versions) - helps improve "inside" roll.

3. Dixie Breakdown - Reno style, I already play several "Scruggs" versions.
It helps improve my single string technique.

4. Silver Bell - working on another version. I play several versions
already. Since the tone modulates from the key of "C" to the key of "G", it
doesn't seem to be played very often.

5. Stoney Creek - I LOVE modal tunes.

6. Kansas City Railroad Blues - I need another tune in the key of C.
Beside, I like this tune. I have the Nashville Bluegrass Band playing this
tune on one of my CD's. It is a real "toe tapper".


Shortnin' Bred

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Sep 23, 2002, 4:25:54 PM9/23/02
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The song is plaid at 210 bpm by many. That is normal not out of the
ordinary. Yes, it is fast but not out of the reach for even a banjo player
in his first year.

Rob

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"Shortnin' Bred" <banj...@viawest.net> wrote in message news:<VTVg9.8268$iS2.1845@fe02>...

The 4/4 vs 2/4 confusion strikes again.

Jay Buckey defines his bpm rate based on 4/4 time, so that there are 2
notes picked per beat. Foggy Mountain Breakdown (in Scrugg's book) is
in 2/4 time, which gives 4 notes picked per beat. This is also
apparently the "standard" among banjo players when specifying bpm
rates, even if the tune is in 4/4 time.

The short of it: Earlier in this thread, F. Linch said that he can
play FMB at 145 bpm. This would be 290 bpm by Jay Buckey's measure.

-Rob

F.Linch

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Oct 1, 2002, 9:17:29 AM10/1/02
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Ahhh! Thanks for clearing that up, Rob!

HBJ

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