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William Mayers
In <32FBD3...@nucleus.com> Proxima Conspiracy <mi...@nucleus.com>
writes:
>W A N N A C H A N G E ?
>There are lots of problems with today's 'advanced' society. The few
>people who think they have the right to distribute knowledge as they
>please and withold it from those who don't 'deserve' it should be
>stopped and shown how we have the right to know.
>
>If you would like to know a little bit more about the complicated
>society of lies we live in visit http://www.nucleus.com/~mike/ or
>http://www.ffly.com then visit venues:Everything You Know Is Wrong.
>
>Learn about Moongate, HAARP, Stonemasons, Illuminati and much more.
>Use our chat, message board, guestbook, or publish your own articles
>on PCC or Everything You Know Is Wrong. So Come on down and learn a
>little more of what THEY know.
Let's see - I know quite a few Masons. You talking about the civic
organisation or workin' stiffs who make a living building with brick
and stone? And I've helped design a prototype for HAARP: what'cha
wanna know?
Bill Mayers
Dirk Wessels
Hello,
I am sorry to bother you with a question.
William Mayers wrote:
> and stone? And I've helped design a prototype for HAARP: what'cha
> wanna know?
>
> Bill Mayers
Since I have just started to dowse, I can somehow
understand the fear people have for militairy interactions
with the earth's electrical phenomena.
But as a electronic scientist I can understand that it may
be interesting, even for militairy purposes to perform
scientific tests on plasmas.
In contrast to many other scientists, I can tell as a dowser
that there COULD be a bit more to it than just an electrical
interaction.
So there is one question I want to ask:
The specification states that there is an array of antenna's,
each of strong power.
As a electrical scientist I can tell that the array can be
focussed by tuning the fases of each of the antenna's.
Which means that the antenna can apply very strong electrical
field to a small area. And the strength depends on the
number of antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
the tuning of each of them.
Still the specification states that the amount of radiation
would be very low.
This is very much in contrast.
Since you stated that you something of it,
can you help me by explaining my possible miscalculations.
Thanks,
Dirk Wessels
Michael Edelman
More from a "scientist":
>
> Since I have just started to dowse, I can somehow
> understand the fear people have for militairy interactions
> with the earth's electrical phenomena.
"militairy"?
> But as a electronic scientist I can understand that it may
> be interesting, even for militairy purposes to perform
> scientific tests on plasmas.
Ah, he's an "electronic scientist"!
> In contrast to many other scientists, I can tell as a dowser
> that there COULD be a bit more to it than just an electrical
> interaction.
And he is in contrast to other scientists.
> So there is one question I want to ask:
> The specification states that there is an array of antenna's,
> each of strong power.
How does one measure the power of an antenna, one wonders?
> As a electrical scientist I can tell that the array can be
> focussed by tuning the fases of each of the antenna's.
You focuss by turning the fases?
> Which means that the antenna can apply very strong electrical
> field to a small area. And the strength depends on the
> number of antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
> the tuning of each of them.
Which means that this is simply nonsense.
William Mayers
In <330030...@worldaccess.nl> Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl>
writes:
A question he posed also in an e-mail to me. Why did you do that,
Dirk? Just post your questions in the ng.
>
>Hello,
>
>I am sorry to bother you with a question.
>
>William Mayers wrote:
>> and stone? And I've helped design a prototype for HAARP: what'cha
>> wanna know?
>>
>> Bill Mayers
>
>Since I have just started to dowse, I can somehow
>understand the fear people have for militairy interactions
>with the earth's electrical phenomena.
Now, if that's the case, perhaps you can explain "the fear" to me.
What's it all about?
>But as a electronic scientist I can understand that it may
>be interesting, even for militairy purposes to perform
>scientific tests on plasmas.
What's an "electronic scientist"? The Dean of the College of
Engineering I attended at New Mexico State University was a Dr.
Crosno. Even with his PhD, he never referred to himself or any other
entity as an "electronic scientist".
And what's this about "scientific tests on plasmas"? HAARP is
primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
aurora - manmade "northern lights".
>As a electrical scientist I can tell that the array can be
>focussed by tuning the fases of each of the antenna's.
This remark leads me to believe you're not any sort of scientist.
Tuning the antenna is not a means of focussing it's emissions, and you
don't "tune the fases" (sp) at all.
The two means of directing the emissions of an antenna system are,
first, through phasing - the easy and cheap way with so large a system
as HAARP - or through physically turning the entire array. The turning
is not necessary for another reason - that is, that in the case of
HAARP, the desired direction for the emissions is straight up.
>Which means that the antenna can apply very strong electrical
>field to a small area. And the strength depends on the>number of
antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
>the tuning of each of them.
Again, because you demonstrate a profoundly superficial grasp of the
physics of antennas, I doubt that you're a scientist. If you're
talking about effective radiated power, that's a function of the
phasing of the antennas coupled with the power applied to them..and,
though I didn't mention it in my e-mail response, of the physical
construction of the antennas.
>Still the specification states that the amount of radiation
>would be very low.
>This is very much in contrast.
>Since you stated that you something of it,
>can you help me by explaining my possible miscalculations.
So what is your question? Are you concerned about possible radiation
exposure to people living near the thing? That's a reasonable concern,
and it's one reason the installation is located far from inhabited
areas.
Are you concerned with possible interference with commercial and
private communications? That's a valid concern, too, and another
reason the array is located away from human habitation.
Are you perhaps concerned with the possible interference with the
electronics systems aboard aircraft that might fly near the antennas?
That's the third reason for the location of the array - it's out of the
usual flight paths of commercial aircraft. That's the reason the FAA
is notified (and military air traffic controllers, too) when the array
is powered up. And that's why radar is used to detect any aircraft
that might stray into the restricted area, so that the power can be
turned off until the aircraft is safely beyond the restricted area.
Hope that answers your questions. But please, don't try to impress
with expertise you don't possess. Don't pretend to be an engineer next
time.
Bill Mayers
PoppaDoc
Michael Edelman wrote:
>
> More from a "scientist":
>
> >
> > Since I have just started to dowse, I can somehow
> > understand the fear people have for militairy interactions
> > with the earth's electrical phenomena.
>
>
> > But as a electronic scientist I can understand that it may
> > be interesting, even for militairy purposes to perform
> > scientific tests on plasmas.
>
>
> > In contrast to many other scientists, I can tell as a dowser
> > that there COULD be a bit more to it than just an electrical
> > interaction.
>
> And he is in contrast to other scientists.
>
> > So there is one question I want to ask:
> > The specification states that there is an array of antenna's,
> > each of strong power.
>
> How does one measure the power of an antenna, one wonders?
>
> > focussed by tuning the fases of each of the antenna's.
>
>
> > field to a small area. And the strength depends on the
> > number of antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
> > the tuning of each of them.
>
I'd like to comment on these comments but i'm still laughing
too hard to type....
PoppaDoc
William Mayers wrote:
>
> In <330030...@worldaccess.nl> Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl>
> writes:
>
> A question he posed also in an e-mail to me. Why did you do that,
> Dirk? Just post your questions in the ng.
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >I am sorry to bother you with a question.
> >
> >William Mayers wrote:
> >> and stone? And I've helped design a prototype for HAARP: what'cha
> >> wanna know?
> >>
> >> Bill Mayers
> >
> >understand the fear people have for militairy interactions
> >with the earth's electrical phenomena.
>
> What's it all about?
>
> >be interesting, even for militairy purposes to perform
> >scientific tests on plasmas.
>
> Engineering I attended at New Mexico State University was a Dr.
> Crosno. Even with his PhD, he never referred to himself or any other
> entity as an "electronic scientist".
>
> And what's this about "scientific tests on plasmas"? HAARP is
> primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
> aurora - manmade "northern lights".
>
> >focussed by tuning the fases of each of the antenna's.
>
> Tuning the antenna is not a means of focussing it's emissions, and you
> don't "tune the fases" (sp) at all.
> The two means of directing the emissions of an antenna system are,
> first, through phasing - the easy and cheap way with so large a system
> as HAARP - or through physically turning the entire array. The turning
> is not necessary for another reason - that is, that in the case of
> HAARP, the desired direction for the emissions is straight up.
>
> >field to a small area. And the strength depends on the>number of
> antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
> >the tuning of each of them.
>
Awww...c'mon Bill..he SPELLS bad enough to be an engineer....;))
Robert Wey
William Mayers wrote: ( to Dirk Wessels )
< snip >
> And what's this about "scientific tests on plasmas"? HAARP is
> primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
> aurora - manmade "northern lights".
>
And just how many tax dollar$ are being spent for producing these
manmade "northern lights"? Once proven, then what...weekly light
shows and upper atmosphere campaigning? I can't believe anyone in
the gov't budget offices would allocate tax dollars just to see if
we could "produce artificial aurora". If this is the primary purpose
of HAARP then we have truly witnessed another example of frivelous
gov't spending. If there is other hidden agenda, then fine...but
really: artificial aurora??? Give me a break.
Regards,
R. Wey
Dirk Wessels
Dirk Wessels wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am sorry to bother you with a question.
And I am sorry I misspelled some bits.
I got a lot of replies on this one,
so I will correct those bits.
>
> William Mayers wrote:
> > and stone? And I've helped design a prototype for HAARP: what'cha
> > wanna know?
> >
> > Bill Mayers
>
> Since I have just started to dowse, I can somehow
> understand the fear people have for militairy interactions
> with the earth's electrical phenomena.
I will explain this later.
>
> But as a electronic scientist I can understand that it may
I completed the "Elektrotechniek" eduction at the University
(in Holland).
> be interesting, even for militairy purposes to perform
> scientific tests on plasmas.
This was stated in one of the HAARP web-pages.
see: http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/haarpIndex.html
I may have missed some other interesting pages, because there were
quite a bit of them.
Besides that, it is also the only reason I could think
of that the militairy might be interested in this research.
Someone stated communication, but that seems rediculous
since satellites (and there are many of those) can easily
perform all the communication tasks that they want.
But maybe I missed a detail in that. Would the communication
not be possible if the earth's ionosphere is in certain states?
As I could recall only frequencies below 1Mhz would be affected
by the ionosphere, and at the frequencies the militairy are operating,
which is >10Mhz there is little interaction towards/from the
sattelites. And if they use higher frequencies (>1Ghz), as they can
easily do, they can easily penetrate the ionosphere.
Much higher frequencies are again interacting with clouds etc.
So maybe you can tell me why the militairy can't find frequencies
to communicate, if we all can for our own radio-stations.
At the web, they state the following objectives:
The ionospheric research instrument (IRI),
a high power transmitter facility operating in the HF frequency range.
The IRI will be used to temporarily excite a limited area of
the ionosphere for scientific study.
Diagnostic instruments that will be used to observe the
physical processes that occur in the excited region.
At another place they state something about communication,
but not why it is important for the militairy. It certainly
lacks a bit of information in that direction. Maybe
a hint to those who provide this information.
>
> In contrast to many other scientists, I can tell as a dowser
> that there COULD be a bit more to it than just an electrical
> interaction.
I will explain this a bit later.
>
> So there is one question I want to ask:
> The specification states that there is an array of antenna's,
> each of strong power.
> As a electrical scientist I can tell that the array can be
> focussed by tuning the fases of each of the antenna's.
CORRECTION:
focussed by shifting the phases of each of the antenna's.
> Which means that the antenna can apply very strong electrical
> field to a small area. And the strength depends on the
> number of antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
> the tuning of each of them.
This means in normal words:
With such an array one can focus the full electrical power
towards a small area in space.
It only works in full strength if this point in space is
near. It will of course diverse a bit on long distances.
Though, the power is still very large compared to
what is stated at the HAARP-web-pages.
Can someone do me a better calculation.
>
> Still the specification states that the amount of radiation
> would be very low.
>
> This is very much in contrast.
>
Now the reason for the fears:
According to dowsing and some other (forbidden) sciences there
are lines on the earth that spread frequencies around the earth.
Many stone monuments were made by our ancesters
to focus the energies of these lines. For example: avebury.
I do not know the exact nature of these energies, but
for those who do investigate it: they are for real.
I do not want to discuss about the exact nature of these lines
and how they interact with us and with matter,
BUT there is a certainly a connection between electronics and
these lines.
In area's where there is a lot of powered electricity,
we can not use our "paranormal" senses very well.
Some studies state even that people may develop cancer
in such areas, which can come from an interaction with
nature's energy fields. To give sceptics a hint: the only
way to cure from "uncurable" illnesses is by using whatever
paranormal treatments.
So there is the fear: what if the militairy are using
all this electrical energy to interfere with nature's
energies?
--->They may blind our paranormal senses, cause cancer.. etc.
Or what if such energies are involved in our atmosphere?
Since the established science did not want to investigate
in such matters, there is little known about the consequences
of "experiments" like these.
> Since you stated that you something of it,
> can you help me by explaining my possible miscalculations.
So,...
Is it a miscalculation
or is the militairy really trying to overpower us?
Good luck
Dirk Wessels
Paul Vigay
In article <33018D...@worldaccess.nl>, Dirk Wessels
<URL:mailto:d...@worldaccess.nl> wrote:
[major snip of previous quotes]
I'm not surprised the sceptics are trying to silence or ridicule you Dirk, as
I'm sure you're onto something major here. I've been researching this for some
time and have come to a similar conclusion as yourself. I am currently
researching earth energy lines in and around the Avebury area in Wiltshire,
England and am convinced that there is a lot of physics which we don't yet
understand. Anyone who has read the book "Awakening to Zero Point" by G.Braden
will know what I'm talking about, and I believe the military are trying to
interfere with things by introducing HAARP. The last thing the government want
is people raising their consciousness and awareness and becoming 'free'. They
will then start to lose their power base.
It's an established fact that ELF will affect the 'psychic' ability of the
brain, so who knows what the military are working on to try to supress the
'psychic' activity of the human race.
I am researching an article for my magazine, Enigma, on this very topic, which
I hope will be in an issue coming up soon. For more information on current
research projects, please see my web page (below).
Regards,
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Paul Vigay
In article <330071...@pass.wayne.edu>, Michael Edelman
<URL:mailto:m...@pass.wayne.edu> wrote:
> > Which means that the antenna can apply very strong electrical
> > field to a small area. And the strength depends on the
> > number of antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
> > the tuning of each of them.
>
...and you have shown your complete lack of understanding of electromagentic
radiation.
Any antenna has a measureable EMF field around it. In fact you can demonstrate
this in a laboratory with a simple bench power supply and a piece of wire and
a packet of iron filings.
Read a physics book before you dismiss people as 'simply nonsense'. This is
exactly the reason I refuse to get into discussions with closed-minded people
who refuse to acknowledge even known facts, let alone anything which may be
new and unexplored.
Paul Vigay
In article <330171...@primenet.com>, Robert Wey
<URL:mailto:di...@primenet.com> wrote:
> > And what's this about "scientific tests on plasmas"? HAARP is
> > primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
> > aurora - manmade "northern lights".
> >
Aha, well that's your explanation of HAARP, even the military have admitted
there is more to it than that. Forget the disinformation, I would recommend
people go and do their own research, and not take any notice of any of the
posts on here, including mine. I'm not telling people what to believe, but to
simply go and out make the effort to research things.
There is plenty of published research on HAARP (and more on the way), and
anyone who thinks what Robert wrote above, is simply deluding themselves, or
refusing to face the facts.
cli...@ix.netcom.com
On 11 Feb 1997 13:43:28 GMT, h...@ix.netcom.com(William Mayers) wrote:
HAARP is
>primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
>aurora - manmade "northern lights".
>
us with such a lightshow? Thanks in advance for illuminating me.
"The only difference between a brownnoser and a shithead is depth perception".
William Mayers
> Awww...c'mon Bill..he SPELLS bad enough to be an engineer....;))
Yes, I suppose he does. But I'm still trying to figure out that
"electronic engineer" bit: does he come with batteries, or do we have
to pay extra for a power cube? LOL!
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
>
>William Mayers wrote: ( to Dirk Wessels )
>
>< snip >
>
>> And what's this about "scientific tests on plasmas"? HAARP is
>> primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
>> aurora - manmade "northern lights".
>>
>
>And just how many tax dollar$ are being spent for producing these
>manmade "northern lights"? Once proven, then what...weekly light
>shows and upper atmosphere campaigning? I can't believe anyone in
>the gov't budget offices would allocate tax dollars just to see if
>we could "produce artificial aurora". If this is the primary purpose
>of HAARP then we have truly witnessed another example of frivelous
>gov't spending. If there is other hidden agenda, then fine...but
>really: artificial aurora??? Give me a break.
>
I agree, to a point. Y'see, we've known for some time that one viable
means of propagation of radio signals is to "bounce" them off the
northern lights. Amateur radio enthusiasts do it all the time. One
little problem with that is that the nature-made auroras (they're also
found above the South Pole) vary considerably in intensity, which means
that y'can't depend on them as a reliable vehicle for radio
communications. An artifical aurora, on the other hand, would be of
uniform factors - so it could, in fact, be relied upon any time.
Do we "need" such an artifical aurora? To be honest, I lean towards a
"no" on that one - we have a goodly variety of reliable means of
communications already.
One factor to consider - all these communications satellites we have up
there are very vulnerable to things like geomagnetic storms - a couple
very expensive communications satellites recently had their operations
mangled by just such a storm - and we're at the 'bottom' of the
eleven-year solar cycle, remember. A severe geomagnetic storm (which
entities are caused by solar activity) could theoretically wipe out
much of our present satellite-based communications network. HAARP
could well provide a back-up for these communications - business
communications especially - worth untold billions of dollars. So -
perhaps the money isn't wasted after all, since HAARP wouldn't be
remarkably affected by geomagnetic storms.
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
In <33009508...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> cli...@ix.netcom.com writes:
>
>On 11 Feb 1997 13:43:28 GMT, h...@ix.netcom.com(William Mayers) wrote:
>>primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
>>aurora - manmade "northern lights".
>>
>us with such a lightshow? Thanks in advance for illuminating me.
They aren't. In fact, you can't see anything when the array is powered
up. It isn't quite that powerful. Go back and read my earlier remarks
concerning communications and HAARP.
One thing you probably don't relise is that there's a visible aurora
and a radio aurora, and nature's radio aurora is far more extensive
than the visible aspect of the phenomenon. We can "bounce" radio
signals off the aurora when it isn't visible.
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
Dirk, I'm sorry that you still feel it necessary to claim an
engineering degree you do not have. Your erroneous remarks regarding
the means for tuning antennas are sufficient to let us know that you
haven't studied physics at all.
You may read my earlier post regarding satellite communications to
discover why they are not as reliable as some people believe.
Your claims regarding "lines of force" and psychic abilities further
demonstrates your lack of the education you claim.
Your questions were reasonable and deserved a reasonable answer, but
Dirk, now that you have those answers, please don't muddy the waters
with further pseudoscientific claims or with claims to academic
wherewithal you don't posess. Farewell.
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
In <ant121315bc8q#H...@bohunt.demon.co.uk> Paul Vigay
<PVi...@bohunt.demon.co.uk> writes:
>It's an established fact that ELF will affect the 'psychic' ability of
the
>brain, so who knows what the military are working on to try to supress
the
>'psychic' activity of the human race.
LOL! Then I guess we're in a heap o' trouble, Paul, and nobody is
capable of using their "psychic abilities" - because the Earth itsself
produces PRODIGIOUS amounts of ELF continuously, and has done so for
aeons before human creatures began to be found on the planet.
Bill Mayers, who's not trying to silence anyone - just looking for some
common sense 'round here!
William Mayers
In <ant121353d07q#H...@bohunt.demon.co.uk> Paul Vigay
<PVi...@bohunt.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>In article <330171...@primenet.com>, Robert Wey
><URL:mailto:di...@primenet.com> wrote:
>> > primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an
artificial
>> > aurora - manmade "northern lights".
>anyone who thinks what Robert wrote above, is simply deluding
themselves, or
>refusing to face the facts.
DO you MIND? Robert didn't write that - I did!!
Bill Mayers
HT
>
> Michael Edelman wrote:
> > > Which means that the antenna can apply very strong electrical
> > > field to a small area. And the strength depends on the
> > > number of antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
> > > the tuning of each of them.
> >
> > Which means that this is simply nonsense.
Paul Vigay wrote:
> ...and you have shown your complete lack of understanding of electromagentic
> radiation.
>
I think Mr. Edelman was lampooning the writer's lack of understanding of
English grammar more than anything. I am a Signals Officer with 23 years
of electronics/radio experience. The writer he mocks does not in fact
show a complete grasp of antenna theory. Perhaps it is just a
translation error.
> Any antenna has a measureable EMF field around it. In fact you can demonstrate
> this in a laboratory with a simple bench power supply and a piece of wire and
> a packet of iron filings.
Whatever similarities exist, there are great differences between a DC
electromagnet and an antenna. Almost anything that conducts electricity
can be an antenna. While it is correct to state that "any antenna has a
measurable EMF field" about it, it is just as correct to say that the
Brooklyn Bridge is an antenna for ultra-low frequencies. Which brings us
to the true heart of the matter - frequency. Radio travels in waves of
certain frequency as most everyone knows. The air around us is fairly
polluted with all sorts of electromagnetic emissions. Any conductor of
electricity will absorb these waves; bridges, bicycles, and even human
bodies. A receiver can use these metal objects to receive any emission
within the bandwidth dictated by the physical/electrical dimensions of
that object. Not so for transmission.
For a transmitter to work properly, the output must be matched to the
antenna. The antenna length, whether physical or electrical, must match
the frequency of the output for maximum power output. It is very
difficult to gauge the power output of an antenna just by looking at it.
The frequency spectrum may be guessed by the physical size, but if the
antenna is matched by a balun coil that could prove misleading.
A number of SHF transmitters with efficient directional antennas all
pointing at the same target would present a strong signal. But there is
also a payoff in such an array used to receive signals. The concept of
diversity is often used in receive arrays which gather signals from the
same source. Time, frequency, and space diversity all aid in the
collection of signal intelligence from a single source. Multiple antenna
arrays are also used in radio astronomy to gather weak signals from
space.
I did not get enough information to hazard a guess as to what the
original poster was looking at. I will state that I do not believe that
the government is controlling our minds by electromagnetic radiation,
else why would this newsgroup exist? The spectrum is crowded enough
already. I also do not, can not believe that aliens would travel
thousands of light years (it's that far to the nearest star, let alone
the closest capable of supporting an M-type planet) to pick up drunken
fishermen in Mississippi or peckerwood lumberjacks in Washington state
for experiments. It's easier to believe that people will believe
anything if they hear it enough. Look who's president of the United
States, for God's sake.
>
> Read a physics book before you dismiss people as 'simply nonsense'. This is
> exactly the reason I refuse to get into discussions with closed-minded people
> who refuse to acknowledge even known facts, let alone anything which may be
> new and unexplored.
> --
> _
Read several physics books; do real, controlled experiments. Read some
basic antenna theory and electronics books, too. It isn't bad to be
closed minded sometimes. In other words, before you leave your windows
wide open, make sure you have a screen on them. Otherwise any old thing
can fly in and take up residence.
Robert Wey
William Mayers wrote:
>
> In <330171...@primenet.com> Robert Wey <di...@primenet.com> writes:
>
> >
> >William Mayers wrote: ( to Dirk Wessels )
> >
> >< snip >
> >
> >> primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
> >> aurora - manmade "northern lights".
> >>
> >
First off: To Paul Vigay...Paul, sorry how I posted the reply to this
message. I wasn't the one who said HAARP was primarily for artificial
aurora...it was William. But don't worry. I'm not one of the many
assholes we so frequently run into (it seems) on these news groups who
jump at the chance to slam anyone who make the slightest mistake.
And at that, William, I was in a particularly shitty mood when reading
your reply to Dirk and, after re-reading, apologize if I came across as
a typical flamer.
What my real response is: HAARP _IS_ gov'tlly funded. Altho we the
commoners aren't necessarilly intune to all CBO decisions, I can't help
but to conclude that HAARP isn't funded soley to see if we can produce
artificial aurora. How can, if possible, the common layman conclude
what the true purpose of HAARP is?
If you care to listen, you'll here all sorts of conspiracy nuts talking
of the mysterious hidden potentials of HAARP...but what realy is it?
William came across with the first believable statement in that its
primary energy focus is straight up...and there's spacial aircraft
detection radar in place to prevent potential problems.
In all sincerity, what are we going to learn from HAARP. It seems like
quite an expenditure just for the sake of focusing particular
frequencies on the ionisphere (sp).
William, perhaps you'ld like to expound a bit. This would be a great
opportunity to to revitalize some good topic and debate to this fading
news group.
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Robert Wey
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Dirk Wessels (d...@worldaccess.nl) seemed to imply:
: see: http://server5550.itd.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/haarpIndex.html
A government web-page certainly isn't the place to go to find all the
information about HAARP. There are other pages that describe some of the
intended purposes (conspiracies?) of HAARP. Nick Begich (sp?, don't feel
like looking up the correct spelling, but if really needed, I could) has
one, amongst others.
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Mike
First of all, I'm not a scientist and I'm not even studying that domain.
But something I'm sure, Paul wasn't speaking about paranormal things and
you just ignored his question.
I don't say you don't know what you are talking about. I don't know much
about HAARP. But I'm sure that if you DO know what you are talking
about, you can then explain so we can understand.
I just don't claim to know things I do not know. And if u believe I'm
"stupid" or whatever, know that I'm programming software like the one
you are using to read this message. I'm finishing my studies in Computer
Sciences this years. So just don't place yourself over others.
Thanks.
JET
Mike
I'm sorry to bother you again, Bill. I just want to let u know that I
read the DOC located on the page of HAARP and it answered my questions.
So don't even bother to answer questions to people trying to impress
others.
The only thing I didn't find on the page is that :
What is the PURPOSE of the HAARP exactly and simply ?
There's detailed info on it but I don't understand all of the terms
(since I'm not english at all).
Thanks for taking time and to answer me.
JET
Dirk Wessels
William Mayers wrote:
>
> In <ant121315bc8q#H...@bohunt.demon.co.uk> Paul Vigay
> <PVi...@bohunt.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> >It's an established fact that ELF will affect the 'psychic' ability of
> the
> >brain, so who knows what the military are working on to try to supress
> the
> >'psychic' activity of the human race.
>
> LOL! Then I guess we're in a heap o' trouble, Paul, and nobody is
> capable of using their "psychic abilities" - because the Earth itsself
> produces PRODIGIOUS amounts of ELF continuously, and has done so for
> aeons before human creatures began to be found on the planet.
There is natural ELF radiation indeed, and it may have some
correlation with the energy-fields that dowsers measure.
From other "forbidden" sciences, I learned that the clue
may lie in the interference between electro-magnetic radiation
sources. The interference produces interference-lines all over
the earth-globe. And these lines can be found with dowsing.
In England for example this radiation is so strong that
it was covered with metal to prevent car-accidents on a
road that crossed it. Also some mentioned gravity anomalities
on some of these lines.
I am still looking for good references for them,
so please e-mail me if you have some. For me I don't need
proof since I can sense them. If I am over one such a place,
my muscles tremble a bit, also do I feel a faint flow through my
body. Bits that we are used to call noise or tiredness, are more
and more often recognized as a flow natural energies by me.
My perceptions are similar to those of other "sensitive" people.
And as far I understand, everybody can learn to sense these energies.
Many paramedic cures are related to it, but also old meditation-
methods like Yoga and Tai Chi have very similarity. As far I have
looked there is no-one with experience in these areas,
that can not feel these energies somehow.
So if you want proof, just ask your local paramedic.
Or go to a yoga/tai-chi teacher, and learn it for yourself.
However, if this ELF radiation is produced man-made, there
are ways to interfere with the natural interference.
And it may disrupt quite some paranormal stuff:
To give you a hint, I will list some things that you may
find near these energy lines:
- Ghosts. Whether intelligent or not.
They usually appear in certain areas.
- UFO's. Whether extra-terrestial or not.
They usually appear in certain areas.
- Lucid dreaming. On these lines they appear more often
and can help you to find your paranormal skils,
sometimes even show an image of your future.
- Churches.
Ever felt close to GOD in a church?
Controlled ELF radiation may just stop this!
There are your reasons.
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored"
- Aldous Huxley
Dirk Wessels
William Mayers wrote:
>
<SNIP>
> One factor to consider - all these communications satellites we have up
> there are very vulnerable to things like geomagnetic storms - a couple
> very expensive communications satellites recently had their operations
> mangled by just such a storm - and we're at the 'bottom' of the
> eleven-year solar cycle, remember. A severe geomagnetic storm (which
> entities are caused by solar activity) could theoretically wipe out
> much of our present satellite-based communications network. HAARP
> could well provide a back-up for these communications - business
> communications especially - worth untold billions of dollars. So -
> perhaps the money isn't wasted after all, since HAARP wouldn't be
> remarkably affected by geomagnetic storms.
>
> Bill Mayers
OK, but I thought they had airplanes with build-in radarstations
for communication on the battlefields.
Are these airplanes not good enough?
And who is this "enemy" that can control geomagnetic storms?
How much effect do these storms have?
And when do they expect them?
Dirk Wessels
Dirk Wessels wrote:
> With such an array one can focus the full electrical power
> towards a small area in space.
> It only works in full strength if this point in space is
> near. It will of course diverse a bit on long distances.
> Though, the power is still very large compared to
> what is stated at the HAARP-web-pages.
> Can someone do me a better calculation.
>
Now I will show some graphs from my book that describes antennas:
Strength versus direction of one antenna:
(Logaritmic scale)
Antenna at (A)
********
* *
* *
* *
* A *
* *
* *
* *
*********
Strength versus direction of two antennas with equal phase,
and half-wavelength distance:
(Logaritmic scale)
Antennas at (A)
********
* *
* A *
* A *
* *
********
Radiation goes both into the sky and into earth.
Strength versus direction of 8 antennas with equal phase,
and half-wavelength/8 distance:
(Logaritmic scale)
Antennas at (A)
*
* A
*
* A
*
* A
*
*
A *
*
A *
* A
*
* A
*
* A
*
*
The effect is stronger with more antenna's.
If you have a different phasing of the antenna's you can direct them
differently
(in an instant).
Distance between antennas = wavelength, equal phase:
************************************** AAAAAAAA
*****************************************
Distance between antennas= 0.7 wavelength, equal phase.
(Antennas not shown for space reasons).
*
*
* *
* * * *
* * *
* A *
* A *
* A *
* A *
* * *
* * * *
* *
*
*
Which means you can radiate in two different directions simultaneously.
While, if you use a dish-antenna you get the following spreading:
A***********************************************************************
One direction only, with the ability to focus (like a lens) the
effective distance.
Which is very good for commincation and for reasearch reasons that
you may want to use it for.
William Mayers
>
>The only thing I didn't find on the page is that :
>
>What is the PURPOSE of the HAARP exactly and simply ?
Mike, (I just noticed your name's in your return address) I answered
that in an earlier post - in fact, expounded upon it just moments ago.
If your reader allows it, scroll back and read all the postings that
fall under this subject line.
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
>In all sincerity, what are we going to learn from HAARP. It seems
like
>quite an expenditure just for the sake of focusing particular
>frequencies on the ionisphere (sp).
Robert, we may learn a lot or we may learn little. It's true that
HAARP is largely funded by the feds, but there are non-government
entities who've expressed interest in the results, to the extent of
pledging considerable numbers of dollars.
One thing I think we could learn - and I alluded to this in my e-mail
to you - is that, in light of Congress' present mood regarding reducing
expenditure of public moneys and reducing government involvement, the
project might well have been better funded privately. I believe that,
though the government certainly has a valid stake in the results, that
the prime beneficiaries of HAARP will be colleges, universities, and
private business. AT&T, CNN, Western Union - any of these old
dinosaurs in telecommunications probably could fund the thing all by
themselves - and surely, a cooperative effort amongst some of the
newer, smaller entrants to the field could fund it.
What could we learn technologically? Well, surely there are other
areas of research to which HAARP could be applied, beyond that which
I've already mentioned - communications. I'd imagine that, as is the
case with the Hubble Space Telescope and the Very Large Array (a big
radiotelescope out in New Mexico), there're researchers from
universities around the world, lining up to present their research
proposals and vying for time on the instrument. Not being in the field
of research, I could guess, but beyond the area of communications, I'd
be doing just that - guessing.
It's too bad that there are people who feel they must pretend to
academic credentials they don't possess in order to add weight to their
pet theories. Such pretense doesen't advance the public discourse at
all, but they still do it - as is the case with the originator of this
post, who demonstrably isn't an engineer.
There will always be those among us who are so illogically suspicious
that they'll concoct the most sinister ideas regarding things like
HAARP. After all, public health agencies worldwide recognise that
fully half of all human ailments are mental ones, and such paranoic
thoughts are classic signs of the second-most-common mental illness,
schizophrenia. Far from being merely a nasty label with which to
attack those who don't agree with us, paranoia is a very real and
frightening aspect of a very real illness.
And of course there will be the occasional twit who sincerely desires a
means of controlling the thoughts and behaviors of the rest of us...and
once in awhile, such a twit will turn up in government. There's never
been such a one who's not had their goals and their efforts at
realising them exposed, at some point.
Illustrative of the mindset is the subject-line of this thread: "A
Biiig Problem with Gov't?" Why on earth would it be only governmental
entities who desire the ability to control our thoughts with electronic
devices? Can't folks imagine the advantage Chrystler would have with
such a device? How long do you suppose General Motors would remain in
business, if Chrystler could surreptitiously insert "Buy Chrystler!
Buy Chrystler!" into our minds and compel us to obey? Um - I still
seem to see plenty of non-Chrystler products on the roads in my neck o'
the woods...my van has a little label that says "Chevrolet" and my
truck is a Ford....
Hey, I could really see how the good citizens over in the state of
Washington would love to be able to control the thoughts of others -
given the financial difficulties of their big employer, Boeing. Just
turn on that microwave mind-controller and aim it at the folks who make
airline purchasing decisions - "Buy Boeing, buy Boeing". Surely I'm
not the only person to realise that big bad Uncle Sam is by far not the
only creature desirous of that kind of control? YOU and I would just
love to be able thus to insure our continued job security, now wouldn't
we?
Sorry this will have, for some of the more impatient readers, appeared
to have drifted somewhat afield, but I do think all the above is indeed
pertinent to the discussion. I'll turn the soapbox over to others for
now...
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
I'm not a scientist and I'm not even studying that domain.
>But something I'm sure, Paul wasn't speaking about paranormal things
and
>you just ignored his question.
>
>I don't say you don't know what you are talking about. I don't know
much
>about HAARP. But I'm sure that if you DO know what you are talking
>about, you can then explain so we can understand.
>
>I just don't claim to know things I do not know. And if u believe I'm
>"stupid" or whatever, know that I'm programming software like the one
>you are using to read this message. I'm finishing my studies in
Computer
>Sciences this years. So just don't place yourself over others.
> Thanks.
> JET
So what's your problem, JET? Haven't been following the thread, have
you now? Wish you'd do so before posting, so's we could make more
sense of your comments.
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
>>
>> LOL! Then I guess we're in a heap o' trouble, Paul, and nobody is
>> capable of using their "psychic abilities" - because the Earth
itsself
>> produces PRODIGIOUS amounts of ELF continuously, and has done so for
>> aeons before human creatures began to be found on the planet.
I learned that the clue
>may lie in the interference between electro-magnetic radiation
>sources. The interference produces interference-lines all over
>the earth-globe. And these lines can be found with dowsing.
>In England for example this radiation is so strong that
>it was covered with metal to prevent car-accidents on a
>road that crossed it. Also some mentioned gravity anomalities
>on some of these lines.
Well, gracious, when I was in England, why didn't I see any of these
metal covers? Dear dear, lad - "interference lines"? There's no such
thing! Gravity anomalies? Gravity and electromagnetism are two
different creatures, lad...certain celestial objects, for instance,
have no discernable electromagnetic field, unlike our earth - but they
all have gravity.
M'boy, please do read a good textbook upon the field of radio. You
need to learn under what circumstances emissions on different
frequencies combine with each other, produce harmonics, or cancel each
other. Then you'll be able to begin to grasp the intricacies of the
discussion.
>So if you want proof, just ask your local paramedic.
Um - lad, by profession, I'm a registered professional nurse - we
nurses _teach_ paramedics - and I'm a licensed registered technologist
in diagnostic radiography. My preliminary education at the university
was in electrical engineering...
>- Ghosts
>- UFO's.
>- Lucid dreaming.
And lions and tigers and bears! Oh, my! Lad, I'm not interested in
pseudoscience or such whimisical daydreams as ghosties and goulies.
We'll keep this discussion at an adult level if you don't mind...
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
In <3302F3...@worldaccess.nl> Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl>
writes:
>William Mayers wrote:
>>
><SNIP>
>> One factor to consider - all these communications satellites we have
up
>> there are very vulnerable to things like geomagnetic storms - a
couple
>> very expensive communications satellites recently had their
operations
>> mangled by just such a storm - and we're at the 'bottom' of the
>> eleven-year solar cycle, remember. A severe geomagnetic storm
(which
>> entities are caused by solar activity) could theoretically wipe out
>> much of our present satellite-based communications network. HAARP
>> could well provide a back-up for these communications - business
>> communications especially - worth untold billions of dollars. So -
>> perhaps the money isn't wasted after all, since HAARP wouldn't be
>> remarkably affected by geomagnetic storms.
>>
>> Bill Mayers
>
>OK, but I thought they had airplanes with build-in radarstations
>for communication on the battlefields.
>Are these airplanes not good enough?
You don't use radar for communications, but yes, the name for these
aircraft is AWAX. They relay their communications via satellite.
Satellites are vulnerable to geomagnetic storms.
>And who is this "enemy" that can control geomagnetic storms?
Well, throughout history, he's had many names. You and I call him "the
sun". Geomagnetic storms are caused by solar activity, not by mankind.
And mankind cannot control, as I'm sure you can imagine, the sun.
>How much effect do these storms have?
They range from being so mild as to be barely noticable to being severe
enough to disrupt communications worldwide for days at a time.
>And when do they expect them?
We (not "they") expect them anytime. We can predict them to an extent
by continuous solar observation. The frequency with which they happen
roughly corresponds to an eleven-year "solar cycle", in that as of
today, at the nadir of such a cycle, we won't see as many as we will in
about four years, when we'll be near the peak of one of these solar
cycles.
If you have a radio reciever capable of being used as a "general
coverage reciever" - i.e. one that will recieve all radio transmissions
from roughly 500Khz to 30Mhz - you can purchase a copy of a list of the
frequencies whereon observatories 'round the world broadcast daily,
observed data regarding the sun. They'll tell you such things as the
current "solar index", which data, with a bit of study on your part,
will enable you to follow solar activity closely.
You can't predict with a precise degree of accuracy when a solar flare
will affect our earth - since some of the prodigious energy they emit
travels at the speed of light - hence, we realise there's a geomagnetic
storm on the way only hours before we're experiencing the worst of it.
There, by the way, is a little more precise an answer to your question:
solar flares cause geomagnetic storms.
There's another danger regarding geomagnetic storms: one could suddenly
erupt while astronauts are up in space, where the shielding effect of
our earthly atmosphere is far less a protection for them - and a severe
geomagnetic storm could give said astronauts a fatal dose of radiation.
So - following such phenomenon closely turns out to be quite important.
Hope the above helps clarify things more.
Bill Mayers
Gratuitous Pseudonym
In article <33018D...@worldaccess.nl>,
Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl> wrote:
>Now the reason for the fears:
>According to dowsing and some other (forbidden) sciences there
>are lines on the earth that spread frequencies around the earth.
Dowsing is not a "forbidden science". It is not a science at all. It has
never been demonstrated to be a legitimate phenomenon, let alone a science.
>Many stone monuments were made by our ancesters
>to focus the energies of these lines. For example: avebury.
So, you have some records from those "ancestors" which states this explicitly?
Or are you believing the imaginings of some other superstitious person who has
declared this?
>I do not know the exact nature of these energies, but
>for those who do investigate it: they are for real.
What you believe is not equivalent to what is real.
>I do not want to discuss about the exact nature of these lines
>and how they interact with us and with matter,
>BUT there is a certainly a connection between electronics and
>these lines.
You don't want to discuss it. You simply want to assert it. Sounds like a
religion to me.
>In area's where there is a lot of powered electricity,
>we can not use our "paranormal" senses very well.
Gee, there are all sorts of self-declared "psychics" who ply their trade in
cities. Are you saying they are all frauds whose psychic powers don't work?
>To give sceptics a hint: the only
>way to cure from "uncurable" illnesses is by using whatever
>paranormal treatments.
A masterfully incoherent sentence. Please post some research that shows that
"whatever paranormal treatments" have any effect at all beyond the power of
suggestion.
>So there is the fear: what if the militairy are using
>all this electrical energy to interfere with nature's energies?
Luddite paranoia? Shall we all retreat to the caves and chip stone tools?
You first.
>--->They may blind our paranormal senses, cause cancer.. etc.
And they may not. Evidence?
>Or what if such energies are involved in our atmosphere?
Or what if the invisible unicorns from the dark side of the moon get mad at us
and wipe us all out for not sending them all our cheese?
>Since the established science did not want to investigate
>in such matters, there is little known about the consequences
>of "experiments" like these.
The point of doing experiments is to find out what happens. They must not
have taught you that in your electronic scientist school.
>Is it a miscalculation
>or is the militairy really trying to overpower us?
Is it stupidity or is it paranoia?
Gerry Sargent
Perhaps it would be safer for someone like that to work with batteries
and to keep well away from the mains! Just a thought:-}
dark...@swbell.net
In two past posts:
Dirk Wessels:
> >- Ghosts
> >- UFO's.
> >- Lucid dreaming.
Bill Mayers:
> And lions and tigers and bears! Oh, my! Lad, I'm not interested in
> pseudoscience or such whimisical daydreams as ghosties and goulies.
> We'll keep this discussion at an adult level if you don't mind...
There is a skeptic in every crowd. The "pseudoscience" you refer to is nothing more than
your inability to see past your HAARPy and into a realm that will most definitely escape
you for lack of knowledge. I am not suggesting that I buy the paranormal theories
running through this thread, but your lack of ability to see past your textbooks is
pathetic at best. You criticise this young man for his "daydreams," but Iremind you that
even the project on which you work would not be in existance if it were not for
someone's ability to make manifest a daydream. And I also remind you (as a licensed
nurse) that at one point in history the idea of germs was a pseudoscience until someone
"proved" it to the rest of the scientific (i.e., medical) community.
Be careful what you debunk as your ideas may be debunked as well until they are given
definitive proof and widely accepted by more than just your brain-frozen Alaskian
buddies.
Ranson Brown
Paul Vigay
In article <5dstdm$6...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, William Mayers
<URL:mailto:h...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> LOL! Then I guess we're in a heap o' trouble, Paul, and nobody is
> capable of using their "psychic abilities" - because the Earth itsself
> produces PRODIGIOUS amounts of ELF continuously, and has done so for
> aeons before human creatures began to be found on the planet.
Yes, and the Earth also produces natural radiation, but it doesn't mean that
we should all be exposed to huge more doses. We know the power of nature and
don't really need the government 'experimenting' on something they can't
really understand and which will affect the whole planet.
ncos...@atlantic.compulink.remove.to.reply.co.uk
On 12 Feb 1997 17:02:37 GMT, h...@ix.netcom.com(William Mayers) wrote:
>Dirk, I'm sorry that you still feel it necessary to claim an
>engineering degree you do not have. Your erroneous remarks regarding
>the means for tuning antennas are sufficient to let us know that you
>haven't studied physics at all.
While I have my doubts about where his arguments are going, I think
that you have not made sufficient allowances for the fact that his
english is not quite up to standard. From my days as a radio ham,
and my time studying electrical engineering in Dublin, Ireland, I
remember that antennae can be 'tuned' (although that particular word
was never used) by ensuring that their length had some correlation to
the intended wavelength of the transmission (or reception). He may
or may not have a degree, but until you can prove that he has not, it
really is a bit much to state categorically that he does not.
>You may read my earlier post regarding satellite communications to
>discover why they are not as reliable as some people believe.
No, they are not. AFAIK, they are susceptible to influence of solar
storms.
>Your claims regarding "lines of force" and psychic abilities further
>demonstrates your lack of the education you claim.
While many scientists have come to the conclusion that these
'phenomena' are bunkum, some have not. I am sceptical about these
things, but I would never rule out any possibility 100%.
>Your questions were reasonable and deserved a reasonable answer, but
>Dirk, now that you have those answers, please don't muddy the waters
>with further pseudoscientific claims or with claims to academic
>wherewithal you don't posess. Farewell.
Just a bit over the top perhaps?
Noel
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On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:54 +0100, Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl>
wrote:
>OK, but I thought they had airplanes with build-in radarstations
>for communication on the battlefields.
I can't say I know for definite, but I'm sure they do. What exactly
is your point though?
>Are these airplanes not good enough?
For what?
>And who is this "enemy" that can control geomagnetic storms?
The sun?
Dirk Wessels
Gratuitous Pseudonym wrote:
>
<SNIP>
> A masterfully incoherent sentence. Please post some research that shows that
> "whatever paranormal treatments" have any effect at all beyond the power of
> suggestion.
>
power of suggestion.
That is the reason why people that do not believe in anything, are able
to perceive paranormal phenomena.
And that people that BELIEVE that no such thing can/may exist, are
NOT able to perceive paranormal phenomena.
You are creating your own world with the power suggestion,
except that you are suggesting that there is nothing,
so you see nothing. Paranormal phenomena will just avoid your
perception to prevent your believe/reality from collapsing.
If you would not suggest anything, though, you can perceive
more things.
So, your statement becomes more than a truth
than you may have thought before.
Thanks,
Dirk Wessels
USSM
William Mayers wrote:
>
> Well, gracious, when I was in England, why didn't I see any of these
> metal covers? Dear dear, lad - "interference lines"? There's no such
> thing! Gravity anomalies? Gravity and electromagnetism are two
> different creatures, lad...certain celestial objects, for instance,
> have no discernable electromagnetic field, unlike our earth - but they
> all have gravity.
Whoaa... whatever happened to the Grand Unification Theory?
I wanted to desperately to know that gravity, electromagnetism, strong
nuclear, weak nuclear and carbon batteries were all fueled by the same
stuff...
Sigh...
One man's science fiction is another man's crusade///
William Mayers
Um - didn't you leave out the electroweak force? Oh, that's right -
our "engineer" discussed that last "weak"...;-)
Bill Mayers
Doc Marquis
I just put a new web page up discussing the Illuminati.
http://www.computek.net/public/doc
Take a look...
Doc
Bill J Elwood
In <3302FC...@worldaccess.nl> Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl>
writes:
> * *
>One direction only, with the ability to focus (like a lens) the
>effective distance.
>
>Which is very good for commincation and for reasearch reasons that
>you may want to use it for.
You sure do have a lot of studying to do on RF energy. Go to your
nearest library asap...do not pass go(BE).
Gratuitous Pseudonym
In article <3302F0...@worldaccess.nl>,
Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl> wrote:
>There is natural ELF radiation indeed, and it may have some
>correlation with the energy-fields that dowsers measure.
There is no good evidence that dowsers are "measuring" anything.
>From other "forbidden" sciences, I learned that the clue
>may lie in the interference between electro-magnetic radiation
>sources.
There are no "forbidden sciences", either.
>For me I don't need proof since I can sense them.
Talk to James Randi. He'll give you $1 million US if you can prove this
claim. I don't think you will, though. Not only do you not need proof, you
will resist any attempt at it.
>And as far I understand, everybody can learn to sense these energies.
>Many paramedic cures are related to it, but also old meditation-
>methods like Yoga and Tai Chi have very similarity.
Another unsubstantiated claim.
>So if you want proof, just ask your local paramedic.
I number several paramedics in my circle of friends and not one of them uses
mystical "energies" to do their jobs. Every one of them considers such
notions to be rank superstition. I think you may be using the term
"paramedic" incorrectly. I think you mean "psychic healer".
>However, if this ELF radiation is produced man-made, there
>are ways to interfere with the natural interference.
Low frequency EM radiation is exactly the same, no matter if the source is
natural or man-made.
>And it may disrupt quite some paranormal stuff:
>To give you a hint, I will list some things that you may
>find near these energy lines:
>- Ghosts. Whether intelligent or not.
Never observed anywhere with controls placed on fakery or run-away
imaginations.
>- UFO's. Whether extra-terrestial or not.
> They usually appear in certain areas.
They have been reported everywhere. If you put pins in a map where UFO's are
reported, you will find no pattern that corresponds to any particular line on
the Earth's surface. Have you documented evidence to the contrary?
>- Lucid dreaming. On these lines they appear more often
> and can help you to find your paranormal skils,
> sometimes even show an image of your future.
Lucid dreams do not predict the future, nor are they paranormal phenomena.
Virtually anyone can learn to induce them anywhere.
>- Churches.
> Ever felt close to GOD in a church?
> Controlled ELF radiation may just stop this!
It has never been reported that God was stopped by radiation. Who told you
this?
>There are your reasons.
Or your un-reasons, rather.
> "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored"
> - Aldous Huxley
Indeed, they do not. And you are ignoring plenty of them.
Gratuitous Pseudonym
In article <5dvcaf$9...@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, h...@ix.netcom.com(William Mayers) wrote:
>In <3302F3...@worldaccess.nl> Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl>
>writes:
>>
>>for communication on the battlefields.
>
>aircraft is AWAX. They relay their communications via satellite.
>Satellites are vulnerable to geomagnetic storms.
Almost. The term is AWACS. Airborne Warning and Control System.
Other than that little item, I want to tell you how much I appreciate the
information you are sharing. And I admire your patience.
dark...@swbell.net
W A R N I N G
THIS MAN IS A FRAUD!
He claims to have past associations with a group called the Illuminati
as a "Master Witch (3rd level)" as well as other so-called occultic
groups which allegedly have a desire to take over the world.
As there are no groups in the modern world that claim to be associated
with the original (and now defunct for over 100 years) group of Illuminati,
his claims (as well as his supposed resume) are nothing more than a
revival of the late 70's - early 80's hysteria of apocolyptic nonsense.
His own terminology for such occult groups is way off base to show that
his information does NOT come from personal experience but from nothing
more than regurgitated bullshit which was read from poorly written books
and biased critics (i.e., those who wish to bait others with fear and
misinformation).
If you look into his site, you will find that it is nothing more than
an advertisment for his materials and a hook for those gullible enough
to pay him to speak on "information" which he is NOT qualified to discuss.
If you want to discuss world conspiracies and world conquest by one
group or another, take a look into people like this. They are more
dangerous than their pseudo-Illuminati. In fact, people like this almost
make you wish the "Illuminati" would take over.
John Q. Smith
USSM wrote:
>
> William Mayers wrote:
> >
> > Well, gracious, when I was in England, why didn't I see any of these
> > metal covers? Dear dear, lad - "interference lines"? There's no such
> > thing! Gravity anomalies? Gravity and electromagnetism are two
> > different creatures, lad...certain celestial objects, for instance,
> > have no discernable electromagnetic field, unlike our earth - but they
> > all have gravity.
>
> Whoaa... whatever happened to the Grand Unification Theory?
> I wanted to desperately to know that gravity, electromagnetism, strong
> nuclear, weak nuclear and carbon batteries were all fueled by the same
> stuff...
> Sigh...
> One man's science fiction is another man's crusade///
Mind control is real. Some experience illusions, yes. But others are
subjected to "unsanctioned" experimentation too. I met some of these
(gov't) mind control guys and he was serious about exploring the
technology. But he also was a "want-to-be". He been exposed to the
research and had (limited) knowledge of the programs. He tried to
influance me and get me involved. I declined to "play the game". I paid
the price. The price was worth it. Even though I was harrassed and had
force used against me, I am free. It is an experience that I shall not
share with you. Not that it is a private thing or anything like that,
but reading some of the critical responses to the subject by some using
this newsgroup has revealed the power of disinformation and ignorance.
Why is it so unbeievable? Just because it hasn't happened to you?!
Remember: The Nazi's rise to power because of the lack of people to
stand up and question alleged abuse. Remember that communism came to
power in the USSR by a coup pulled off by 1 percent of the populace.
Believe me, it is something you don't want to experience.
Look into these two sites. They are real and their are truely victims of
mind control.
http://www.mk.net/~mcf/
http://www.webcom.com/~pinknoiz/coldwar/microwave.html#THE
Don Lockwood
The government cannot do anything for you or anything against you
without your consent. The key is that they always have some so-called
benefit or privilege attached to intice people into their dastardly
plans.
People don't realize that the government can give them nothing (they
produce nothing and have nothing) without stealing from others.
Take responsibility for your own actions or inactions. Take personal
responibility for your work, family, education. There are many
alternatives to government tyranny and oppression. The first place to
start is to know which laws you are under. If you are under the laws of
man, then get your bio-chip and shut up. If you have a higher authority
to answer to then you must reject the laws of man (when they ar at
variance).
Check out my website; http://www.alteredstates.net
Don
Alan H. Peterson
What would you say or do if you had access to irrefutable evidence that
the "WARLORDS of WALL STREET and WASHINGTON" have now devised a way to
"inject" every individual on the planet with their "MARK OF THE BEAST"?
Suppose that this diabolical plan was being proposed under the guise of
offering "great benefits to mankind," such as...
1. Doing away with robbery by doing away with cash;
2. Offering a National Health Program that would give doctors and their
patients a permanent medical record affixed on a bio-chip, implanted in
the back of the right hand;
3. Doing away with illegal drugs by doing away with "illegal cash", and
4. Stopping "illegal employment" by identifying all citizens seeking work
or benefits through fingerprints and imaging technology.
5. Replacing vehicle toll collection booths and human jobs with electronic
readers and debit accounts.
6. Mandatory source purchases of computers whose dates start at January 1,
2000, unlike the capability of current models.
Consider that the proposed "MANDATORY" vaccination program for all
children (before they can enter government-controlled schools) could very
well be the "covert" vehicle used to justify the injection of the "666
Mark". Far more sophisticated than Adolph Hitler's "tattooing" of all
Gypsies and Jews, if the proposed plan, if passed, it could "nail" all
citizens with a "permanent ID number." And any "disease" or "drug" they
deem necessary to pacify the public to accept a "New World Order" would be
possible, without fail.
Is it possible for you to believe that the Illuminati's plan is to have
the 9 digits of one's Social Security number incorporated with the new
9-digit zip code, giving a "6-6-6" ... or eighteen digit "Personal
Identification Number (PIN)" to all people so that they can be "traced,
tracked, and controlled."
Those who control the U.S. space program have already installed a "Grid
System" through the NASA satellite program and are now "tracking people
and vehicles from space stations. Through the years, animals have been
injected with the tiny bio-chip for successfully tracking and monitoring
their activities before the tests begin, "preferably on incarcerated
inmates and those living under the many house-arrest and related
alternatives to incarceration programs" to track them and apprehend them
"whenever" they escape or violate the terms of their respective
agreements. Unbeknownst to the average American, the U.S. military is
directly using "transponders" that have been "injected" into the arms of
U.S. military personnel. As it was in Hitler's Germany, so we witness it
to be in pre-New World Order and pre-twenty-first century America.
A very wise man once remarked, "One can never underestimate the
intelligence of the American people." But even those with "limited
intellect" can determine that "the system" now being developed "for them"
is not only "satanic" but would, "IF ALLOWED TO BE INSTALLED", create a
virtual "HELL ON EARTH."
Is this information within your personal "Belief Zone"?
Gratuitous Pseudonym
>Yes, and the Earth also produces natural radiation, but it doesn't mean that
>we should all be exposed to huge more doses. We know the power of nature and
>don't really need the government 'experimenting' on something they can't
>really understand and which will affect the whole planet.
I think the real issue here is that they are experimenting on something *you*
don't understand, Paul. In you quest to be the person with all the answers,
you have a tough time with anyone doing something you don't understand and/or
without consulting you first.
Your neurotic worries are not enough cause for everyone to hide under the bed.
Keven S. Caddeo
Don Lockwood wrote:
>
> The government cannot do anything for you or anything against you
> without your consent.
are you kidding?
what planet are you on?
when was the last time you CONSENTED to being drafted?
or CONSENTED to having you taxes increased?
does read my lips ring any bells?
(snip)
> Don
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PoppaDoc
I'm not worried..my aluminum foil hat will protect me from their
mind rays! (twitch..twitch...slaver, drool...)
Matt Fischer
Seems more like a front for fraudulent papers than a ral
"anti-conspiracy" savior.
--
Matt & Teresa Fischer - Jax, Fla.
mfis...@bellsouth.net
Dirk Wessels
Gratuitous Pseudonym wrote:
> <SNIP>
Dear Mr Pseudonym,
Since you tend to show your prejudice against
any of my named examples, I can tell that
you certainly did not look seriously at them.
Does Mr Pseudonym stand for Mr Scpetic,
Mr BadMood, or Mr Secret Government?
John Sayer
In article <5dstpo$1...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
h...@ix.netcom.com(William Mayers) wrote:
>One thing you probably don't relise is that there's a visible aurora
>and a radio aurora, and nature's radio aurora is far more extensive
>than the visible aspect of the phenomenon. We can "bounce" radio
>signals off the aurora when it isn't visible.
Is this what I saw (and it was photographed) in Norfolk in February 1992?
What started off as a solitary "cloud" to the north, which then began
pulsing before finally splitting vertically into three sections, exploded
into gigantic beams of coloured light (red, blue, green, yellow - the
works) which zapped around all over the visible sky until finally settling
into an egg shape, like the ending of "2001", but without the fetus inside
it?
--
John Sayer
http://www.andover.co.uk/globalcircles/
David Bearrow
In article <3302F0...@worldaccess.nl>, d...@worldaccess.nl wrote:
>
>There is natural ELF radiation indeed, and it may have some
You guys keep going on about ELF. What IS ELF? I never heard of that term. Do
you guys mean EMF? Electro-Motive Force?
Dave
Dirk Wessels
Paul Vigay wrote:
>
> In article <5dstdm$6...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, William Mayers
> <URL:mailto:h...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > LOL! Then I guess we're in a heap o' trouble, Paul, and nobody is
> > capable of using their "psychic abilities" - because the Earth itsself
> > produces PRODIGIOUS amounts of ELF continuously, and has done so for
> > aeons before human creatures began to be found on the planet.
>
> we should all be exposed to huge more doses. We know the power of nature and
> don't really need the government 'experimenting' on something they can't
> really understand and which will affect the whole planet.
Since no-one was able to come up with a reason to use an antenna
array versus a simpler parabolic antenna, I will the stats
below again:
Parabolic antenna:
A ************************************************************
Antenna array (HAARP):
**********************AAAAAA**********************************
The array goes both ways, and is often directed to earth.
AND there is another difference, which would only be noticable by
people that technically UNDERSTAND what I talked about.
That is HAARP is the only one capable of transmitting ELF waves.
These are Extreme Low Freqencies, which have been found
in similar frequencies in the EEG's transmitted by the human brain.
Which means that HAARP may affect directly our health.
But, as mentioned above, also the earth transmits ELF radiation.
And especially during earth-quakes.
This is very likely the reason why animals are excited
before the earthquake happens. Unless these animals have been
subjected to ELF from the generated electric power, like many humans.
The following scientific article shows that ELF waves are produced
during earth-quakes.
source: http://www.jse.com
-----------
Electrodynamic Disturbances Associated With Earthquakes: An
Analysis of Ground-Based and Satellite Data
by
Michel Parrot
Laboratoire de Physique et Chimie de l'Environnement,
45071 Orleans Cedex 02, France
Volume 4 Number 2: Page 203.
Several observations were made of Very Low Frequency (VLF)
emissions apparently associated with
earthquakes, which were recorded independently at ground-based
stations and on satellites. The observations at
the Kerguelen station (49 deg, 26 min S, 70 deg, 25 min E) were
made using magnetic antennae, on April 24 and
25, 1980, during a period when three earthquakes with magnitude
Ms > 4.7 took place near the station. Several
increases of electromagnetic waves at the time of earthquakes
were recorded on the polar- orbiting satellite
AUREOL-3. The observations on the geostationary GEOS-2
satellite were made using magnetic and electric
antennae during the period 1977-1981. Data were
analyzed for those cases when both intense (Ms > 5)
earthquakes occurred in the region close to the satellite
longitude and the satellite was operation in the VLF
mode. A statistical analysis, based on the enhancement
of wave intensity at the time of earthquakes and using
GEOS-2 data, seems to indicate that there is a
(possibly direct) association between seismic activity and some of
the VLF emissions observed at the satellite. Ionospheric
measurements made from the group also showed an
increase of the critical frequency of Es of the
sporadic layer Es when earthquakes occurred nearby. Some
aspects of the relation between the VLF emissions
and the seismic activity are discussed.
---------
Note that Alaska where HAARP is based, is very near the
"ring of fire", which is a chain of vulcanic mountains around
the pacific ocean.
It would not be the first time that new US Militairy weapons
are first tested on the citizens of the USA. Just remember
the atomic bomb.
Then, if they don't know yet, this may give a hint
that the militairy is be holding the trigger,
and the gun is directed at earth!
This may be your last warning!
----
Greetings from a country far away,
Dirk Wessels
John Sayer
In article <33009508...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, cli...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>On 11 Feb 1997 13:43:28 GMT, h...@ix.netcom.com(William Mayers) wrote:
> HAARP is
>>primarily designed to test the feasability of creating an artificial
>>aurora - manmade "northern lights".
>>
>Just out of curiosity, why is the government interested in providing
>us with such a lightshow?
>
To confuse us when the extraterrestrial shit hits the fan, of course!
William Mayers
In <johnute-1902...@194.143.173.51> joh...@andover.co.uk
The "northern lights" sure are pretty, aren't they? Downright
spectacular, in the case you describe. And all nature-made, not the
product of humankind. Ironic, ain't it? Just when man begins to think
he's hot stuff, Mama nature puts him precisely in his place.
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
In <5ee08p$o7f$1...@viper.txdirect.net> chi...@txdirect.net (David
No, Dave, ELF is an acronym for "extremely low frequency". In other
words, radio emissions 'way below the commercial broadcast bands.
Bill Mayers
RON DAVIS
In article <330AC9...@worldaccess.nl>,
Dirk Wessels <d...@worldaccess.nl> wrote:
>Paul Vigay wrote:
>>
>> In article <5dstdm$6...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, William Mayers
>> <URL:mailto:h...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> > LOL! Then I guess we're in a heap o' trouble, Paul, and nobody is
>> > capable of using their "psychic abilities"
Ok, Ok, you've had your fun.... Crap,.. you must have a whole lot
of time to waste, eh?
>> - because the Earth itsself
>> > produces PRODIGIOUS amounts of ELF continuously, and has done so for
>> > aeons before human creatures began to be found on the planet.
>>
True. Butt,.... the fact you inadvertently left out is that the
energy level W/M^3 is nowhere even worth mentioning. Like banal
debunkers who are here only to serve self interests by pissing on
people, etc.... One can only guess what the "ham" in
h...@ix.netcom.com means....
On a more serious note, ELF is not on trial here. HF and UHF are
the bands of frequencies that should be discussed. Low frequency
modulation does become an issue at some point because of the
natural down conversions through the earths strata.
The E-Field propigation (eg, the main lobe of focused energy) is
only one part of the equasion. The H-Field which propigates
perpendicularly to the E-Field is what concerns people like me.
When Low frequency modulation becomes demodulated through the
earths strata people have experienced STRONG side effects. These
signals have interfered with older unshielded pace makers and
other sensitive equipment such as hearing aides.
So,.. the government does not want to alarm people with ELF
testing so for the time being it will not be done.
>> Yes, and the Earth also produces natural radiation, that
>> but it doesn't mean we should all be exposed to huge
>> more doses. We know the power of nature and don't really need
>> the government 'experimenting' on something they can't
>> really understand and which will affect the whole planet.
>> --
Extensive ongoing research with ELF continues. The HAARP
project is not part of it. ELF transmitters are burried
in rock to improve their transmission. These transmitters
are focused arrays which are currently used for TOP SECRET
communications.
Being that the modulation on ELF is coherent, the data
rates are very S L O W..... These systems were to be
replaced by S-Type Phase Modulated Blue-Green communication
system. One can quickly determine that the medium is
viscous in nature. The reason for ELF transmissions in
water is not fully understood by those not in the know,
so to speak. Suffice it to say that the transmission
properties of water are much better than land because
solids refract ELF and sumation of the signals defeats
the wonderful purpose of said system.
>
>
>Since no-one was able to come up with a reason to use an antenna
>array versus a simpler parabolic antenna, I will the stats
>below again:
>
>Parabolic antenna:
>A ************************************************************
>
>Antenna array (HAARP):
>
>**********************AAAAAA**********************************
>
>The array goes both ways, and is often directed to earth.
>
The E-Field beam width is focused into the air. This is
the primary "load" if you will.
>AND there is another difference, which would only be noticable by
>people that technically UNDERSTAND what I talked about.
>That is HAARP is the only one capable of transmitting ELF waves.
>
This is where I differ in "your opinion". What turns up as
felt ELF radiation is the "phasing" (eg, modulation) of the
array...... Again the H-Field radiation is what is the
concern here. The government does not want folks to look
in this particular area. If you look a the geophical
attributes you will notice something very interesting about
the strata. It was chosen as a site because the energy
induce into it is very minimal. This was and is an engineered
goal for chosing the site. In other words the emissions are
focused upon the "load" and the earth acts as a reflector.
I have read some interesting article about scalar waves.
Where RF energies have electrostatic and eletromaganetic,
Scalar waves do not have these components. Scalar waves
are considered to be static. What this means is that they
have energy potential on the main nodes but do not travel
as E, H, Waves do. This is where the Celtic's mapped what
are called Lay lines. Scalar waves have been long since
known as being subcomponents of the gravity wave which I
am sure everyone feels (at some point in life,... He He,
my poor attempt a humor, please forgive).
The HAARP does effect scalar waves but if you look at it
like dropping a rock in a pool of water, it just makes
a mess of things.
What sould clearly be an issue here is whether scalar
wave interuption causes severe problems to the human
anatomy.
The US government does not want to discuss scalar waves
and the fact that they have mapped them extensively. One
should wonder why the interest? When you mention buzz
words like dia-magnetics the government cannot and will
not respond.
I don't know how many of you have read papers written
by Nicola Tesla but, he specks of energy transmission
through the ionosphere. His experiments (65 Khz) on
ionospheric perturbations is where the US government
concerns are.
From Tesla's initial experiments, he discovered several
effects that could be useful. The particular experiment
I refer to is the parabolic Static E-Field transmitter
in Kansas.
The problem with HAARP is that the fundimental premise
with which it is based, are flawed (purposely?) Tesla
notes. The Military experiments of nuclear detonation in
the atmosphere made it clear that the ionosphere could be
made to be a weapon. EMP destroys all electronics that
are not "completely" Faraday Shielded.
What we have disguised as a Ionosphic Induction Unit is
realy something else,... if you follow my dift....
I will not go further than this point as I do not believe
that it will help.....
>These are Extreme Low Freqencies, which have been found
>in similar frequencies in the EEG's transmitted by the human brain.
>Which means that HAARP may affect directly our health.
Delta, Alpha and Theta are the three major wavefronts of
real importance (or so it is believed).
Alpha transmissions are dominant (with the qualifier, in the
wakened state).
As far as motor fuctions go, the Theta Waves seem to induce
the most responce from the body. Some researchers (SRI)
belive that the Theta Waves seem to be closely associated
with the less dominant sub-conscious mind. Many para
nomal researchers have found that the Theta Waves are
closely associated with our feeling of well-being. Distubed
individuals (maybe me) seem to be most effected by
Theta ELF transmissions.
>
>But, as mentioned above, also the earth transmits ELF radiation.
>And especially during earth-quakes.
>This is very likely the reason why animals are excited
>before the earthquake happens. Unless these animals have been
>subjected to ELF from the generated electric power, like many humans.
>
I became nauseous before a quake here in northern California.
When the quake hit, I was just to scared to puke. So,.. I agree.
Some believe that this disruption of scalar waves are the
reason for this. Many people can go to a place and feel very
good. Then they travel to another place and feel very bad.
I do not believe that one can attribute this to "felt micro
phonic" vibrations.
>The following scientific article shows that ELF waves are produced
>during earth-quakes.
>
Ok, but what happens to the scalar waves at this point? Why
is the US government so interested in this. Why did the
CIA do a study with their RV'ers? After saying this I know
this will give rise to the (mentally) less fortunate. Let
us say that the internet is the only book that they have
ever read...... (He He).
Peace be to you,
-ron davis, passive aggressor.
Michael Edelman
Lesson #302: Spotting bullshit:
RON DAVIS wrote:
>
[snipped...mercifully]
> natural down conversions through the earths strata.
>
> The E-Field propigation (eg, the main lobe of focused energy) is
> only one part of the equasion. The H-Field which propigates
> perpendicularly to the E-Field is what concerns people like me.
> When Low frequency modulation becomes demodulated through the
> earths strata people have experienced STRONG side effects. These
> signals have interfered with older unshielded pace makers and
> other sensitive equipment such as hearing aides.
Fields don't propogate! *Waves* propogate.
This is simply nonsense couched in technical-sounding terminology.
...
>
> I have read some interesting article about scalar waves.
> Where RF energies have electrostatic and eletromaganetic,
> Scalar waves do not have these components. Scalar waves
> are considered to be static. What this means is that they
> have energy potential on the main nodes but do not travel
> as E, H, Waves do. This is where the Celtic's mapped what
> are called Lay lines. Scalar waves have been long since
> known as being subcomponents of the gravity wave which I
> am sure everyone feels (at some point in life,... He He,
> my poor attempt a humor, please forgive).
More of the same.
...
>
> The problem with HAARP is that the fundimental premise
> with which it is based, are flawed (purposely?) Tesla
> notes. The Military experiments of nuclear detonation in
> the atmosphere made it clear that the ionosphere could be
> made to be a weapon. EMP destroys all electronics that
> are not "completely" Faraday Shielded.
More bullshit. He has no understanding of the physics of EMP.
> What we have disguised as a Ionosphic Induction Unit is
> realy something else,... if you follow my dift....
I'm not sure even *you* follow your drift!
> I will not go further than this point as I do not believe
> that it will help.....
On this point it seems we must agree.
> >These are Extreme Low Freqencies, which have been found
> >in similar frequencies in the EEG's transmitted by the human brain.
> >Which means that HAARP may affect directly our health.
>
> Delta, Alpha and Theta are the three major wavefronts of
> real importance (or so it is believed).
>
> Alpha transmissions are dominant (with the qualifier, in the
> wakened state).
>
> As far as motor fuctions go, the Theta Waves seem to induce
> the most responce from the body. Some researchers (SRI)
> belive that the Theta Waves seem to be closely associated
> with the less dominant sub-conscious mind. Many para
> nomal researchers have found that the Theta Waves are
> closely associated with our feeling of well-being. Distubed
> individuals (maybe me) seem to be most effected by
> Theta ELF transmissions.
>
He's moved from electronic bullshit to electrophysiological bullshit.
Now, I happen to be somewhat educated in this area (MA). The waves he
speaks of are summations over gross cortical activity. He has no idea
what he's talking about.--mike
Dominic Mc Naughton
In article <330923...@cyber1.servtech.com>,
popp...@cyber1.servtech.com wrote:
> Alan H. Peterson wrote:
> >
> > What would you say or do if you had access to irrefutable evidence that
> > the "WARLORDS of WALL STREET and WASHINGTON" have now devised a way to
> > "inject" every individual on the planet with their "MARK OF THE BEAST"?
> >
who control the U.S. space program have already installed a "Grid
> > System" through the NASA satellite program and are now "tracking people
> > and vehicles from space stations. Through the years, animals have been
> > injected with the tiny bio-chip for successfully tracking and monitoring
> > their activities before the tests begin, "preferably on incarcerated
> > inmates and those living under the many house-arrest and related
> > alternatives to incarceration programs" to track them and apprehend them
> > "whenever" they escape or violate the terms of their respective
> > agreements. Unbeknownst to the average American, the U.S. military is
> > directly using "transponders" that have been "injected" into the arms of
> > U.S. military personnel. As it was in Hitler's Germany, so we witness it
> > to be in pre-New World Order and pre-twenty-first century America.
> >
> > A very wise man once remarked, "One can never underestimate the
> > intelligence of the American people." But even those with "limited
> > intellect" can determine that "the system" now being developed "for them"
> > is not only "satanic" but would, "IF ALLOWED TO BE INSTALLED", create a
> > virtual "HELL ON EARTH."
> >
> > Is this information within your personal "Belief Zone"?
>
> I'm not worried..my aluminum foil hat will protect me from their
> mind rays! (twitch..twitch...slaver, drool...)
That stuff with the aluminumn foil doesn't work anyone worth any money
knows that the only way to protect yourself is to wear a condom on your
head.
I just think that you are a madman with nothing else to do .See ya !
William Mayers
>
> Ok, Ok, you've had your fun.... Crap,.. you must have a whole lot
> of time to waste, eh?
Well, being disabled, I suppose I do have a lot of time on my hands.
Whether my time online is wasted, I'd offer, is a matter of
perspective.
>>> - because the Earth itsself
>>> > produces PRODIGIOUS amounts of ELF continuously, and has done so
for
>>> > aeons before human creatures began to be found on the planet.
>>>
>
> True. Butt,.... the fact you inadvertently left out is that the
> energy level W/M^3 is nowhere even worth mentioning. Like banal
> debunkers who are here only to serve self interests by pissing on
> people, etc.... One can only guess what the "ham" in
> h...@ix.netcom.com means....
Au contrare - being that the radio energy emitted by the earth is
capable of frequently disrupting communications to a severe level, I
think it's quite worth mentioning.
The "ham" means exactly that. For over seventy years, licensees in the
amateur radio service have been called "hams". My callsign is KG2DI,
my license class is Advanced, and I'm good in the callbook. I also
possess commercial radio licenses, and am authorised to act as control
operator and engineer of radio and television stations.
> On a more serious note, ELF is not on trial here
My, but we're presumptious. ELF is indeed the topic, although we can
easily add HF and UHF emissions if you'd like. Have you forgotten, by
the way, VHF, SHF and EHF?
> The E-Field propigation (eg, the main lobe of focused energy) is
> only one part of the equasion. The H-Field which propigates
> perpendicularly to the E-Field is what concerns people like me.
> When Low frequency modulation becomes demodulated through the
> earths strata people have experienced STRONG side effects. These
> signals have interfered with older unshielded pace makers and
> other sensitive equipment such as hearing aides.
There is no demodulation of any signal through passing through "earth
strata". The terms "H-field" and "E-field" are not terms used in the
description of the physics of radio signal propagagion.
There is not one documented instance of a cardiac pacemaker or hearing
aid being interfered with by radio emissions from any ELF installation.
Interference with such devices is a matter of public record.
> So,.. the government does not want to alarm people with ELF
> testing so for the time being it will not be done.
Again, you are in error. There has been in place for more than a dozen
years a system of communications, using ELF radio signals, that allows
the Navy to communicate with submerged submarines. The first such
installation was built here on the Atlantic coast. It is still in
operation.
> Extensive ongoing research with ELF continues. The HAARP
> project is not part of it. ELF transmitters are burried
> in rock to improve their transmission. These transmitters
> are focused arrays which are currently used for TOP SECRET
> communications.
"Buried in rock"? Well then, since one can stand on a public highway
and see, with one's naked eyeballs, the antennas of the Navy's ELF
station here on the East Coast, must be mighty thin rock!
>
> Being that the modulation on ELF is coherent, the data
> rates are very S L O W..... These systems were to be
> replaced by S-Type Phase Modulated Blue-Green communication
> system. One can quickly determine that the medium is
> viscous in nature. The reason for ELF transmissions in
> water is not fully understood by those not in the know,
> so to speak. Suffice it to say that the transmission
> properties of water are much better than land because
> solids refract ELF and sumation of the signals defeats
> the wonderful purpose of said system.
This demonstrates a lack of even an elementary comprehension of
physics. You misuse the word "coherent", you refer to "the medium"
when such reference is nonsensical. and your final sentence is simply
wrong.
> This is where I differ in "your opinion". What turns up as
> felt ELF radiation is the "phasing" (eg, modulation) of the
> array......
LOL!!! Phasing and modulation are two entirely different animals! God,
where do you get this stuff?
> I have read some interesting article about scalar waves.
> Where RF energies have electrostatic and eletromaganetic,
> Scalar waves do not have these components. Scalar waves
> are considered to be static. What this means is that they
> have energy potential on the main nodes but do not travel
> as E, H, Waves do. This is where the Celtic's mapped what
> are called Lay lines. Scalar waves have been long since
> known as being subcomponents of the gravity wave which I
> am sure everyone feels (at some point in life,... He He,
> my poor attempt a humor, please forgive).
Oh, but you provide far more than enough nonsense to provide a hearty
laugh!
> What sould clearly be an issue here is whether scalar
> wave interuption causes severe problems to the human
> anatomy.
Scalar waves cause severe problems to the human anatomy? Oh yeah?
God, what utter, abysmal nonsense. WHAT problems, and to WHAT parts of
the human frame? Give me a break - you can't even describe the
workings of the human ear, much less talk about anatomical problems!
> The US government does not want to discuss scalar waves
> and the fact that they have mapped them extensively. One
> should wonder why the interest? When you mention buzz
> words like dia-magnetics the government cannot and will
> not respond.
Do you suppose that is because there is no such thing as
"dia-magnetics"?
> I don't know how many of you have read papers written
> by Nicola Tesla but, he specks of energy transmission
> through the ionosphere. His experiments (65 Khz) on
> ionospheric perturbations is where the US government
> concerns are.
Sure, Professor Tesla, inventer of the Tesla coil, among others, is
considered a pioneer in radio.
> From Tesla's initial experiments, he discovered several
> effects that could be useful. The particular experiment
> I refer to is the parabolic Static E-Field transmitter
> in Kansas.
What? What "parabolic static E-field transmitter"? Not in Kansas or
anywhere on earth, pal. Ain't no such beast!
> The problem with HAARP is that the fundimental premise
> with which it is based, are flawed (purposely?) Tesla
> notes. The Military experiments of nuclear detonation in
> the atmosphere made it clear that the ionosphere could be
> made to be a weapon. EMP destroys all electronics that
> are not "completely" Faraday Shielded.
Now you've taken to rambling aimlessly. There're no such thing as
"Tesla notes", and nuclear detonation produces electromagnetic pulse
independent of the ionosphere - detonate one a billion miles from earth
or any other such body, and the detonation would produce a momentary
burst of EMP. And while EMP can be hazardous - LIGHTNING produces as
much EMP, and only direct strikes or very near misses do any harm to
electronic devices. Faraday shielding need not be present - merely
ground your electronic equipment, and when there's a lighting storm in
the area, take the precaution of disconnecting outside antennas.
> What we have disguised as a Ionosphic Induction Unit is
> realy something else,... if you follow my dift....
Not even you follows your drift.
>>These are Extreme Low Freqencies, which have been found
>>in similar frequencies in the EEG's transmitted by the human brain.
>>Which means that HAARP may affect directly our health.
What baloney! As a nurse who's performed EEGs, I can say without fear
of contradiction that the above sentence is simply a load of manure.
> Delta, Alpha and Theta are the three major wavefronts of
> real importance (or so it is believed).
Oh, bullshit, now he's getting into parapsychology. Ain't NO such
thing as Delta, Alpha and Theta waves - deal with it!
> As far as motor fuctions go, the Theta Waves seem to induce
> the most responce from the body. Some researchers (SRI)
> belive that the Theta Waves seem to be closely associated
> with the less dominant sub-conscious mind. Many para
> nomal researchers have found that the Theta Waves are
> closely associated with our feeling of well-being. Distubed
> individuals (maybe me) seem to be most effected by
> Theta ELF transmissions.
Just blew himself clear out of the water. Prattling on, he's revealed
he garners his "data" from scientology! Oh dear, will I ever stop
laughing at this grotesquely ill-informed person? ROTFLMAO for hours!!
> I became nauseous before a quake here in northern California.
And if your remarks were not so damn funny, I'd become nauseous!
Bill Mayers
PoppaDoc
> > >
> > > A very wise man once remarked, "One can never underestimate the
> > > intelligence of the American people."
Regretfully, there is SOMETHING to agree with in his rantings...
> > I'm not worried..my aluminum foil hat will protect me from their
> > mind rays! (twitch..twitch...slaver, drool...)
>
> That stuff with the aluminumn foil doesn't work anyone worth any money
> knows that the only way to protect yourself is to wear a condom on your
> head.
> I just think that you are a madman with nothing else to do .See ya !
Hm..I think there's room for compromise here...how about if we
wear aluminum foil condoms on our heads and cover ALL the bases?
TOBY CANNON
On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Dirk Wessels wrote:
> William Mayers wrote:
> >
> > In <ant121315bc8q#H...@bohunt.demon.co.uk> Paul Vigay
> > <PVi...@bohunt.demon.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > >It's an established fact that ELF will affect the 'psychic' ability of
> > the
> > >brain, so who knows what the military are working on to try to supress
> > the
> > >'psychic' activity of the human race.
> >
> > LOL! Then I guess we're in a heap o' trouble, Paul, and nobody is
> > capable of using their "psychic abilities" - because the Earth itsself
> > produces PRODIGIOUS amounts of ELF continuously, and has done so for
> > aeons before human creatures began to be found on the planet.
>
> There is natural ELF radiation indeed, and it may have some
> correlation with the energy-fields that dowsers measure.
> From other "forbidden" sciences, I learned that the clue
> may lie in the interference between electro-magnetic radiation
> sources. The interference produces interference-lines all over
> the earth-globe. And these lines can be found with dowsing.
> In England for example this radiation is so strong that
> it was covered with metal to prevent car-accidents on a
> road that crossed it. Also some mentioned gravity anomalities
> on some of these lines.
>
> I am still looking for good references for them,
> so please e-mail me if you have some. For me I don't need
> proof since I can sense them. If I am over one such a place,
> my muscles tremble a bit, also do I feel a faint flow through my
> body. Bits that we are used to call noise or tiredness, are more
> and more often recognized as a flow natural energies by me.
> My perceptions are similar to those of other "sensitive" people.
> And as far I understand, everybody can learn to sense these energies.
> Many paramedic cures are related to it, but also old meditation-
> methods like Yoga and Tai Chi have very similarity. As far I have
> looked there is no-one with experience in these areas,
> that can not feel these energies somehow.
> So if you want proof, just ask your local paramedic.
> Or go to a yoga/tai-chi teacher, and learn it for yourself.
>
> However, if this ELF radiation is produced man-made, there
> are ways to interfere with the natural interference.
>
> And it may disrupt quite some paranormal stuff:
> To give you a hint, I will list some things that you may
> find near these energy lines:
> - Ghosts. Whether intelligent or not.
> They usually appear in certain areas.
> - UFO's. Whether extra-terrestial or not.
> They usually appear in certain areas.
> - Lucid dreaming. On these lines they appear more often
> and can help you to find your paranormal skils,
> sometimes even show an image of your future.
> - Churches.
> Ever felt close to GOD in a church?
> Controlled ELF radiation may just stop this!
>
>
> There are your reasons.
>
>
> "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored"
> - Aldous Huxley
>
>
Tis is grade A 100 % bullshit
A road in England where ley-lines are so strong you might crash your car?
Show me!
Ghost usually appear in certain places?
Ghosts don't USUALLY appear.
Do you have any ability to critically evaluate information that is
spoon-fed to you? No? In that case, I am an alien, give me all your money.
The cyan man
Who knows what is out there?...
William Mayers
>Tis is grade A 100 % bullshit
>A road in England where ley-lines are so strong you might crash your
car?
>Show me!
>Ghost usually appear in certain places?
>Ghosts don't USUALLY appear.
>Do you have any ability to critically evaluate information that is
>spoon-fed to you? No? In that case, I am an alien, give me all your
money.
Too late, fellow highwayman. I got to 'im first. Daft one had exactly
a quid on 'im, so before I koshed 'im, I warned 'im to carry more cash,
the bloody lowland miser! You'll just 'ave to settle for mutilatin'
'is bloody Guernsey, lad.
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
In <330D32...@cyber1.servtech.com> PoppaDoc
Nah. Just use the rubber - but don't poke any breathing holes it it -
that negates the beneficial effects!
Bill Mayers
rick lachner
The cyan man wrote:
>
> Who knows what is out there?...
The truth is out there (Sorry) ;-)
rick l.
Dr Pepper
The cyan man <j...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
>Who knows what is out there?...
The Shadow do!
Dr. Pepper
Good ALL the time:]
Dave B
b wrote:
>
> My understanding of creating ELF waves is that one needs a very long (60
> miles?) antennae. The government built one in Michigan? I would like to
> point out that there are MANY long sections of metal that could server as
> and antennae.
>
> RAILROAD TRACKS.
>
I believe railroad tracks are purposefully grounded, and also, the
connection between pieces of rail is not always good enough for an
antenna.
The big antenna you mentioned sounds like Project Sanguine, which was to
be built in northern Wisconsin and the upper peninsula of Michigan. A
test installation was built in Wisconsin, but I don't know what ever
happened to the main project. You might be interested in a web site on
ELF and magnetism.
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/RofD1.html
Its a bit one sided, but you can find other points of view with a web
search on "Project Sanguine".
Dave B (ex-Wisconsinite) on the fringe of Houston
Alfred Lehmberg
The cyan man wrote:
>
> Who knows what is out there?...
Somebody does, brother, but could we hear her if she spoke?
Lehm...@snowhill.com
--
"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake.
William Mayers
In <5ekfol$n...@lace.colorado.edu> ba...@euclid.colorado.edu (b) writes:
>
>My understanding of creating ELF waves is that one needs a very long
(60
>miles?) antennae. The government built one in Michigan? I would like
to
>point out that there are MANY long sections of metal that could server
as
>and antennae.
>
>RAILROAD TRACKS.
>
Well, Jeez, as long as we're cooking up wild speculations, why not the
Golden Gate bridge? The causeway down into the Florida Keys...hell,
the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy's pretty dang long - why not make
THAT a big floating antenna? Hey. I got it! Y'all are aware of the
big heavy wire cables that are at the very tip-top of all those miles
and miles and miles of high-tension power lines criss-crossing the
coutry? There ya go - THEM'S the secret antennas! 'course, y'can't
see them, seeing as how one of our fellow posters to the ng points out
that all ELF antennas are buried in rock.....*cackle!*
Bill Mayers
William Mayers
William Mayers
In <330DA3...@snowhill.com> Alfred Lehmberg <Lehm...@snowhill.com>
writes:
>The cyan man wrote:
>>
>> Who knows what is out there?...
>
Michael Edelman
b wrote:
>
> My understanding of creating ELF waves is that one needs a very long (60
> miles?) antennae.
No, not necessarily.
WWVL, the VLF station of the NTS, uses relatively short bottom-loaded
antennas. Longer antennas have lower radiation resistence, but that's
not always the optimal solution.
--mike
vaccine
> > > I'm not worried..my aluminum foil hat will protect me from their
> > > mind rays! (twitch..twitch...slaver, drool...)
> >
> > That stuff with the aluminumn foil doesn't work anyone worth any money
> wear aluminum foil condoms on our heads and cover ALL the bases?
Sorry to tell ya'all, but most antennas everywhere are made of aluminum. If
that doesn't tell you something...
What can protect you is depends on the strength of the signal at your
location, material, orientation of the signal and several other minor
factors. You may want to live in a lead protected home, or use copper
grounded screening on your walls, ceiling and floors. Also, protect your
air, ventalation and heat ducts from focused transmissions. (inside and
outside). Your windows and doors will be your weak points after the
protections. At last, remember transmissions that can get in, can also get
out through the same way. Be carefull of what you want the world to know
about you.
Good luck in your endevors.
M_in_It
PoppaDoc
The cyan man wrote:
>
> Who knows what is out there?...
PoppaDoc
William Mayers wrote:
>
> In <330D32...@cyber1.servtech.com> PoppaDoc
> <popp...@cyber1.servtech.com> writes:
> >
> >> > >
> >> > > A very wise man once remarked, "One can never underestimate the
> >> > > intelligence of the American people."
> >
> > Regretfully, there is SOMETHING to agree with in his rantings...
> >
> >
> >> > mind rays! (twitch..twitch...slaver, drool...)
> >>
> >> That stuff with the aluminumn foil doesn't work anyone worth any
> money
> your
> >> head.
> >> I just think that you are a madman with nothing else to do .See ya !
> >
> >wear aluminum foil condoms on our heads and cover ALL the bases?
>
> that negates the beneficial effects!
>
> Bill Mayers
ROTFLMAO!!!!
William Mayers
In <330E0B...@pass.wayne.edu> Michael Edelman <m...@pass.wayne.edu>
writes:
Mike is absolutely right, of course. There exists a community of
electronics and communications experts who conduct experiments and
communications in the VLF portion of the electromagnetic spectrum using
top-loaded vertical antennas of under 100 feet quite successfully.
While any short antenna is a compromise, they do indeed work. I'd
prefer the top-loaded variety over the bottom-loaded ones, because for
bottom-loading, one'd generally have to build a very large loading
coil, which can be expensive and bothersome, whereas top-loading can be
done much more simply, as with a discone-type of design. Hey, I'm on a
budget, fer pete's sake...
Bill Mayers
Dave B
William Mayers wrote:
> I'd prefer the top-loaded variety over the bottom-loaded ones, because
> for bottom-loading, one'd generally have to build a very large loading
> coil, which can be expensive and bothersome, whereas top-loading can be
> done much more simply, as with a discone-type of design.
Top loading is also more efficient, if we're talking about vertical
antennas. The bottom is the high current portion and losses will be
greater in the load. The advantage to bottom loading is mechanical; you
don't have to support the loading coil way up in the air. The small
cell phone antennas seen on cars are a compromise. The loading coil is
in the middle.
Top loading is often done with horizontal wires or radials at the top.
Aircraft navigation Non Direction Beacons (200-400 kHz) often use an
antenna that looks like a horizontal dipole, but actually is a top
loaded vertical.
Dave B on the fringe of Houston
KA...@popper.fr
TEST
st...@gil.com.au
In article <330D71...@ukc.ac.uk> The cyan man <j...@ukc.ac.uk> writes:
>From: The cyan man <j...@ukc.ac.uk>
>Subject: The government is out to get us
>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:57:57 +0000
>Who knows what is out there?...
WHO DARES WAKE THE SLEEPER
Babalon_an...@bloody.sunset.of.gotterdamerung
On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, rick lachner wrote:
> The cyan man wrote:
> >
> > Who knows what is out there?...
>
> The truth is out there (Sorry) ;-)
>
Well then somebody oughta bring it in! (sorry) (not even original!) |*(
BABALON/SHEDONA * "History is a bloody testament that
she...@intrepid.net * sincerity can achieve atrocities
********************** which cynicism could never conceive."
156^435^156^435^156^435 -- John Whiteside Parsons
Dirk Wessels
Aan 21-02-97 16:42, in bericht <5ekfol$n...@lace.colorado.edu>, b
<ba...@euclid.colorado.edu> schreef:
> My understanding of creating ELF waves is that one needs a very long (60
> miles?) antennae. The government built one in Michigan? I would like to
> point out that there are MANY long sections of metal that could server as
> and antennae.
>
> RAILROAD TRACKS.
>
> Just a theory.
Good joke, now a bit more serious again:
Maybe you spotted those big towers with metal lines between them.
They are usually underground in america, as far as I know.
Did you know they were carrying quite a lot of voltage at 60 Hz.
(50 Hz, if not in the USA).
They certainly produce EM waves, and in some places they cause
cancer.
Probably they mix up with the natural ELF waves at those places.
Besides that you do NOT need a big antenna to transmit low frequency waves.
Your heart, brain, muscles already make such waves.
For focussing you could use a big area, and combine the antennas,
just like HAARP.
Secondly you can use the filtering properties of the surrounding
objects and substances. A good example is the AM radio, which transmit
at >200 khz, but can be transformed using simple diodes into waves of
<20 kHz.
Natural objects are sometimes able to do the same, and some
of you may remember gates that produce music broadcasted by the local
radio station.
Now do you remember that most of earth's sand is made of silicium,
from which diodes are made. Many other natural resources have similar
properties.
That is a lot of radio that can receive EM waves, but as you and I know
we still need to take our radio to the beach, if we want to listen to music.
So these natural resources do not react very well to high frequency waves,
because they carry high frequency waves (music) in modulated form.
As natural objects may do this modulation-convertion, it is still possible
for high-frequencies to be transferrable to earthly ELF frequencies. Which
again are involved in earth-quakes, as the posted research shows.
The earth's magnetosphere is (according to HAARP self) subject to magnetic
waves, and will be affected too. How else can they 'study' it than by
interacting with it? As everyone knows much can be affected,
like our OZON layer, weather-patterns etc.
But also may they interact with the earth itself, since ELF waves even if
they are initiated in the magnetosphere, are very likely to be copied
by earth's ELF waves (resonance).
If HAARP was purely a research performed by the public, we would know which
earth-quakes HAARP was involved in, so we are able to stop this. But it isn't
and like all militairy research, we will only know when it is too late.
Besides that there is still no reason to believe that we can actually use
this for communication. Glassfiber waves and communication-stations on
airplanes can easily handle problems with satellites, if war should break out
at the time that the solar transmits a lot of particles to the earth.
And after that we will probably have new satellites to replace them.
And the low-wave frequency transmissions that can be reflected by the
'corona', are not very good in carrying the huge amount of data we would
like it to carry in a situation of war.
Besides that, wouldn't it be better to invest all that militairy money
in actually establishing peace?
Or is this "the american dream", that peace can
only exist if everyone is dead, including the earth?
William Mayers
>Maybe you spotted those big towers with metal lines between them.
>They are usually underground in america, as far as I know.
Gee, Dirk, if they're underground, how could he spot them? *snicker!*
>They certainly produce EM waves, and in some places they cause
>cancer.
There's absolutely no evidence to back this claim up. It was my _job_
to know such things!
>Probably they mix up with the natural ELF waves at those places.
"Mix up"? *giggle!* Where'd you study physics?
>Besides that you do NOT need a big antenna to transmit low frequency
waves.
>Your heart, brain, muscles already make such waves.
And where the hell'd you study anatomy and physiology? *hee-hee-hee!*
>For focussing you could use a big area, and combine the antennas,
>just like HAARP.
Yeah, see, y'got to increase your area real good, so y'go out 'n find
your nearest Japanese chef, and tell 'im you need to gain a lot of
weight - don't tell him what it's for, he may be a spy - so tell him
you're studing to be a sumo wrestler. *chuckle!* An' get real, real
fat: it's the onliest way to come by that "big area" so's you can use
your heart, brain and muscles to make waves...*ho, ho, ho!*
>Secondly you can use the filtering properties of the surrounding
>objects and substances. A good example is the AM radio, which transmit
>at >200 khz, but can be transformed using simple diodes into waves of
><20 kHz.
Um - commercial AM radio broadcasts are found between 550Khz and
1600Khz. Blew that one, didn't he? *snigger, snigger!*
>As natural objects may do this modulation-convertion, it is still
possible
>for high-frequencies to be transferrable to earthly ELF frequencies.
Which
>again are involved in earth-quakes.
They are? Jeez, and I thought Elvis was dead, and here he is again
making waves and shakin' it out all over the Earth! Cowabunga, dude!
*guffaw!*
? As everyone knows much can be affected,
>like our OZON layer, weather-patterns etc.
Well, son of a bitch! Is that all I gots to do to rearrange the
weather so's I gots sunshine at my house every day? Goody, goody!
>But also may they interact with the earth itself, since ELF waves even
if
>they are initiated in the magnetosphere, are very likely to be copied
>by earth's ELF waves (resonance).
Um - resonance does not equal "copying". ROTFL!!
>If HAARP was purely a research performed by the public, we would know
which
>earth-quakes HAARP was involved in, so we are able to stop this. But
it isn't
>and like all militairy research, we will only know when it is too
late.
Hello. *knock-knock* Anyone in there? Any brain cells left un-pickled
in that knotty little head? Um - the funding for HAARP is shared
between civilian and governmental agencies. And it ain't classified
research, dude...
>Besides that there is still no reason to believe that we can actually
use
>this for communication. Glassfiber waves and communication-stations on
>airplanes can easily handle problems with satellites, if war should
break out
>at the time that the solar transmits a lot of particles to the earth.
Hey, dude: airborne communications are also vulnerable to geomagnetic
storms, an' fiberglas cables aren't nearly numerous enough to be
capable of carrying all the data we wish to transmit, especially in
matters of civil and national defense.
And yes, there is good reason to believe that we can use an artificial
aurora for communications purposes, because we use the nature-made ones
for communications right now. The armed forces uses auroral scatter
and so do my fellow ham radio operators.
>And after that we will probably have new satellites to replace them.
It takes a considerable amount of time to build and launch new
communications satellites - time enough, in a modern war, for the lack
of communications to allow for the loss of a war.
>And the low-wave frequency transmissions that can be reflected by the
>'corona', are not very good in carrying the huge amount of data we
would
>like it to carry in a situation of war.
Actually, we use HF, VHF and UHF to communicate via auroral scatter,
and not ELF. Six meters - roughly 50Mhz - is particularly useful for
this, as is two meters - roughly 144Mhz to 148Mhz, and the 220Mhz to
225Mhz bands. And at these frequencies, we can indeed pass billions of
bytes of data in a very short time. Guess what? An artificial aurora
produced by HAARP works best at these frequencies, rather than
extremely low frequencies.
>
>Besides that, wouldn't it be better to invest all that militairy money
>in actually establishing peace?
You'll get no argument on this point from this Vietnam vet. However,
we live in a world populated by people who are greedy, people who are
unwilling to tolerate differences in religion, color, creed, etc. and
who are quite willing to use force to compel others to do things their
way. Oxymoronic as it seems, MAD, or "mutually-assured destruction"
probably prevented all-out war from roughly 1948 to the end of the
"cold war". World ain't changed that much, my idealistic and confused
little buddy - you still have to negotiate from a position of strength
- and in international relations, that has got to include military
strength. I insist that my nation's military forces be strong enough
to deter any aggressor - or combination of aggressors - from imposing
their will on me and my family. So - y'want to work for peace, go for
it! I'll help ya all I can - but I'll see to it that my nation retains
that military deterrence I just mentioned....
>
>Or is this "the american dream", that peace can
>only exist if everyone is dead, including the earth?
That's a cheap shot and unworthy of you. For shame.
Bill Mayers
TOBY CANNON
On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, John Sayer wrote:
> In article <5dstpo$1...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
> h...@ix.netcom.com(William Mayers) wrote:
>
>
> >One thing you probably don't relise is that there's a visible aurora
> >and a radio aurora, and nature's radio aurora is far more extensive
> >than the visible aspect of the phenomenon. We can "bounce" radio
> >signals off the aurora when it isn't visible.
>
> Is this what I saw (and it was photographed) in Norfolk in February 1992?
> What started off as a solitary "cloud" to the north, which then began
> pulsing before finally splitting vertically into three sections, exploded
> into gigantic beams of coloured light (red, blue, green, yellow - the
> works) which zapped around all over the visible sky until finally settling
> into an egg shape, like the ending of "2001", but without the fetus inside
> it?
>
> --
> John Sayer
> http://www.andover.co.uk/globalcircles/
>
>
>
I would suggest that you were unlikely to have seen the invisible part of
the aurora
teklab
yeah yeah sure
Babalon_an...@Bloody.Sunset.Of.Gotterdamerung wrote in article
<Pine.LNX.3.95.970223...@loki.intrepid.net>...
Force D.
The truth is only what other people dont want you to believe ,that s the
truth
teklab <tek...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<01bc22f6$9b4ac8c0$4bbf13cb@smk>...
PoppaDoc
Oh..I dunno..maybe the 'Shrooms were especially good that night?
MICHAEL SMITH
William Mayers (h...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: In <330D71...@ukc.ac.uk> The cyan man <j...@ukc.ac.uk> writes:
: >
: >Who knows what is out there?...
:
: The Shadow Knows! Heheheheheheheheh....
Or so he'd have us believe, that genius if propaganda!
--
x
Glenn
of course the government would cover-up what it knows--that is the
role of the government in issues of national security. and anything
unknown is a potential threat to national security.
the government is conducting research into ufos and crop circles,
as there is enough evidence to warrant the research.
there is power in secrets, and even if the govt knows nothing it is
wise to bluff. look at roswell--happened during the cold war, and even
if the govt didn't have a ufo it was wise to make it seem as if IT DID
and that there was an effort to cover it up. if you have something the
enemy does not....a secret weapon (or if you make them think you have
it), then that is power.
would you expect the government to do anything else? they are in the
biz of secrecy.
The cyan man
Babalon_an...@Bloody.Sunset.Of.Gotterdamer
ung wrote:
<About the truth>
Well Mulder and Scully haven't found it yet and
I'm blowed if I have. Still judging by all of the
cack people write here, everyone has there own
opinion...
William Mayers
In <E6788...@freenet.durham.org> ae...@freenet.durham.org (MICHAEL
Joe Friday everything they knew...
Rune Boersjoe
HT wrote:
>
> >
> > Michael Edelman wrote:
> > > > Which means that the antenna can apply very strong electrical
> > > > field to a small area. And the strength depends on the
> > > > number of antennas (which is large) and the accuracy of
> > > > the tuning of each of them.
> > >
> > > Which means that this is simply nonsense.
>
> Paul Vigay wrote:
> > ...and you have shown your complete lack of understanding of electromagentic
> > radiation.
> >
>
> I think Mr. Edelman was lampooning the writer's lack of understanding of
> English grammar more than anything. I am a Signals Officer with 23 years
> of electronics/radio experience. The writer he mocks does not in fact
> show a complete grasp of antenna theory. Perhaps it is just a
> translation error.
>
> > Any antenna has a measureable EMF field around it. In fact you can demonstrate
> > this in a laboratory with a simple bench power supply and a piece of wire and
> > a packet of iron filings.
>
> Whatever similarities exist, there are great differences between a DC
> electromagnet and an antenna. Almost anything that conducts electricity
> can be an antenna. While it is correct to state that "any antenna has a
> measurable EMF field" about it, it is just as correct to say that the
> Brooklyn Bridge is an antenna for ultra-low frequencies. Which brings us
> to the true heart of the matter - frequency. Radio travels in waves of
> certain frequency as most everyone knows. The air around us is fairly
> polluted with all sorts of electromagnetic emissions. Any conductor of
> electricity will absorb these waves; bridges, bicycles, and even human
> bodies. A receiver can use these metal objects to receive any emission
> within the bandwidth dictated by the physical/electrical dimensions of
> that object. Not so for transmission.
> For a transmitter to work properly, the output must be matched to the
> antenna. The antenna length, whether physical or electrical, must match
> the frequency of the output for maximum power output. It is very
> difficult to gauge the power output of an antenna just by looking at it.
> The frequency spectrum may be guessed by the physical size, but if the
> antenna is matched by a balun coil that could prove misleading.
> A number of SHF transmitters with efficient directional antennas all
> pointing at the same target would present a strong signal. But there is
> also a payoff in such an array used to receive signals. The concept of
> diversity is often used in receive arrays which gather signals from the
> same source. Time, frequency, and space diversity all aid in the
> collection of signal intelligence from a single source. Multiple antenna
> arrays are also used in radio astronomy to gather weak signals from
> space.
> I did not get enough information to hazard a guess as to what the
> original poster was looking at. I will state that I do not believe that
> the government is controlling our minds by electromagnetic radiation,
> else why would this newsgroup exist? The spectrum is crowded enough
> already. I also do not, can not believe that aliens would travel
> thousands of light years (it's that far to the nearest star, let alone
> the closest capable of supporting an M-type planet) to pick up drunken
> fishermen in Mississippi or peckerwood lumberjacks in Washington state
> for experiments. It's easier to believe that people will believe
> anything if they hear it enough. Look who's president of the United
> States, for God's sake.
Your understanding of all this crap impresses me...
But if your so smart why did you vote for the elephant-fall-guy?
(And if ya didn`t you probably didn`t get your butt of the sofa that day :-)
Rune Boersjoe
Paul Vigay wrote:
>
> In article <33018D...@worldaccess.nl>, Dirk Wessels
> <URL:mailto:d...@worldaccess.nl> wrote:
>
> [major snip of previous quotes]
>
> > Now the reason for the fears:
> > According to dowsing and some other (forbidden) sciences there
> > are lines on the earth that spread frequencies around the earth.
> > Many stone monuments were made by our ancesters
> > to focus the energies of these lines. For example: avebury.
> > I do not know the exact nature of these energies, but
> > for those who do investigate it: they are for real.
> > I do not want to discuss about the exact nature of these lines
> > and how they interact with us and with matter,
> > BUT there is a certainly a connection between electronics and
> > these lines.
> > In area's where there is a lot of powered electricity,
> > we can not use our "paranormal" senses very well.
> > Some studies state even that people may develop cancer
> > in such areas, which can come from an interaction with
> > nature's energy fields. To give sceptics a hint: the only
> > way to cure from "uncurable" illnesses is by using whatever
> > paranormal treatments.
> >
> > So there is the fear: what if the militairy are using
> > all this electrical energy to interfere with nature's
> > energies?
> > --->They may blind our paranormal senses, cause cancer.. etc.
> >
> > Or what if such energies are involved in our atmosphere?
> > Since the established science did not want to investigate
> > in such matters, there is little known about the consequences
> > of "experiments" like these.
>
> I'm not surprised the sceptics are trying to silence or ridicule you Dirk, as
> I'm sure you're onto something major here. I've been researching this for some
> time and have come to a similar conclusion as yourself. I am currently
> researching earth energy lines in and around the Avebury area in Wiltshire,
> England and am convinced that there is a lot of physics which we don't yet
> understand. Anyone who has read the book "Awakening to Zero Point" by G.Braden
> will know what I'm talking about, and I believe the military are trying to
> interfere with things by introducing HAARP. The last thing the government want
> is people raising their consciousness and awareness and becoming 'free'. They
> will then start to lose their power base.
>
> It's an established fact that ELF will affect the 'psychic' ability of the
> brain, so who knows what the military are working on to try to supress the
> 'psychic' activity of the human race.
>
> I am researching an article for my magazine, Enigma, on this very topic, which
> I hope will be in an issue coming up soon. For more information on current
> research projects, please see my web page (below).
>
> Regards,
> --
> _
> |_|
> |aul - using ANT Marcel v1.09
>
There ain`t really THAT much left to explore here...
Except the bulks in Roseanne`s stomach...
(urgh)
David Jenkinson
Force D. wrote:
>
> The truth is only what other people dont want you to believe ,that s the
> truth
That is almost profound. Almost. What it really is is crap.
E.Geoffrey Sallanngge
Truth is hydraheaded, mushy, culture to culture, time to time word
meaning nothing other than at the moment in time and where it was spoken
now Honesty is another thing altogether, it doesn't change with time or
places or cultures.......