RFD: rec.autos.4x4
Mary Rathke
Group name: rec.autos.4x4
Status: unmoderated
Distribution: world-wide
Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
could be driven offroad legally.
Rationale: Many people have been using other auto newsgroups like
rec.autos, or rec.autos.makers.chrysler to discuss their 4x4 vehicle
questions. These groups do not give a lot of responses to the 4x4
owner due to the broad nature of information they cover. This group
would be geared towards the 4-wheel drive owner, no matter what make
of vehicle is owned.
Thank you for your consideration.
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Mary Rathke
(mra...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
The Ohio State University
(614) 292-9678
Tim Tewalt
(Mary Rathke) wrote:
> This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
>
> Group name: rec.autos.4x4
> Status: unmoderated
> Distribution: world-wide
I am strongly in favor of creating such a newsgroup.
Tim
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Dave
*This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
*Group name: rec.autos.4x4
*Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
*questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
*could be driven offroad legally.
Not to object, but maybe rec.autos.trucks would be a good general area...
4x4s are classified as light trucks in most cases, I think. This way,
more similar vehicles could be discussed in the same place. (I think, but
I could be wrong, that some vehicles are sold both as 2WD and as 4x4).
Richard A. De Castro
>This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
>Group name: rec.autos.4x4
>Status: unmoderated
>Distribution: world-wide
>Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
>questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
>could be driven offroad legally.
>Rationale: Many people have been using other auto newsgroups like
>rec.autos, or rec.autos.makers.chrysler to discuss their 4x4 vehicle
>questions. These groups do not give a lot of responses to the 4x4
>owner due to the broad nature of information they cover. This group
>would be geared towards the 4-wheel drive owner, no matter what make
>of vehicle is owned.
Great idea. I'd vote for it.
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Ron O'Dell
I thought there was a rec.autos.offroad already, but I'm mistaken.
Just goes to show I think there should be such a group, even if I'm
not a likely participant in it.
Dunno about `4x4', though. `offroad' seems better.
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Moore@nt.com Gary Moore
mra...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup:
rec.autos.4x4
>
>Group name: rec.autos.4x4
>Status: unmoderated
>Distribution: world-wide
>
>Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
>questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
>could be driven offroad legally.
I think this is great. I would definitely like the forum to discuss
options for upgrading my Jeep in this forum. I will definitely vote YES.
Cheers
Gary
'89 Jeep YJ 4.2L
Mark Whitmer
: This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
: Group name: rec.autos.4x4
: Status: unmoderated
: Distribution: world-wide
Sounds great to me. Count that as an enthusiastic YES!!!
See ya'
Mark Whitmer
whit...@netcom.com
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Whitmer) writes:
IJ>PROPOSAL
IJ>1. Create the moderated newsgroup misc.finding.people.requests.
IJ>2. Create the unmoderated newsgroup misc.finding.people.discuss.
IJ>3. Delete soc.net-people.
IJ>ABOUT THE "MISC.FINDING" HIERARCHY
Count me as another vote in favor of the newsgroup.
Adrian Mitu
: This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
: Group name: rec.autos.4x4
: Status: unmoderated
: Distribution: world-wide
I second the motion!
Adrian Mitu
(mi...@vnet.ibm.com)
Dave Crowson
>mra...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup:
>rec.autos.4x4
>
>Group name: rec.autos.4x4
>Status: unmoderated
>Distribution: world-wide
>
>Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
>questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
>could be driven offroad legally.
Hurrah, about time too, I'll vote YES for this group.
Dave drives a Diahatsu Sportrak (1.6 fuel injected, twin cam, 16v, 4x4:):)
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David C. Peterson
While many vehicles are sold as both 4x2 and 4x4 (most pickups, for
example), some are only sold as 4x4 (Jeep Wranglers, Toyota Land
Cruisers, Range Rovers, and so forth). Additionally, although many are
classified as light trucks, some are not, and the classification may
differ from state to state. For example, how would you classify a Jeep
Grand Cherokee (an honest question, not a flame)? I'd classify it as a
passenger car that happens to have 4wd (if so equipped). I don't know
how Arizona classifies them, or if it distinguishes between a 2wd GC
and a 4wd GC.
Because of the nature of off-highway activities, and the wide variety
of vehicles that can participate, I think a separate group is the way
to go.
I intend to vote yes.
Dave
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Shel Belinkoff
: This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
: Group name: rec.autos.4x4
: Status: unmoderated
: Distribution: world-wide
An enthusiastic YES!
While there aree a few mailing lists that deal with the subject to one
degree or another, and an alt.macho-trucks newsgroup, rec.autos.4x4 would
be an excellent alternative or compliment to these groups.
YES! YES! YES!
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= beli...@netcom.com '78 Scout =
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Michael French
I'm all for it, I was looking or just such a group
the other day and was disapointed when I couldn't find
one. Must be some other 4X4'rs out there........
Mike (94 Toyota 4X4 Xten Cab V6)
Richard H. Miller
|>
|> Because of the nature of off-highway activities, and the wide variety
|> of vehicles that can participate, I think a separate group is the way
|> to go.
But would rec.autos.offroad be a better name. Are you (the proponents) looking
more for a groups about off-road activities or a group about 4wd for both on
road and off road activities. I suspect the need is there but I really do think
that perhaps the rec.autos.offroad might a better name.
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Shel Belinkoff
: But would rec.autos.offroad be a better name. Are you (the proponents) looking
: more for a groups about off-road activities or a group about 4wd for both on
: road and off road activities. I suspect the need is there but I really do think
: that perhaps the rec.autos.offroad might a better name.
The proposed purpose of the group is for discussions about 4x4's in
general (that's the way I understand it) and where to engage in legal
off-road activities. I don't think rec.autos.offroad is the ideal name
since many 4WD vehicles (Audi Quattro, Porsche C4, Oldsmobile Brava, VW
Synchro, as well as many SUV's) are never used off road. By focusing the
name of the group as you propose, it's quite possible that a large
segment of 4WD vehicles and their owners may feel or be excluded.
If one were to look for an alternative name, perhaps rec.autos.4WD would
be appropriate, as, to some, 4X4 connotes offroad type vehicles, while
4WD is applicable to a broader segment of the market, including vans and
cars that are not designed for, nor will ever be used, off road.
Shel Belinkoff
beli...@netcom.com
Dave
following, I would post something like it!
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
*The proposed purpose of the group is for discussions about 4x4's in
*general (that's the way I understand it) and where to engage in legal
*off-road activities. I don't think rec.autos.offroad is the ideal name
*since many 4WD vehicles (Audi Quattro, Porsche C4, Oldsmobile Brava, VW
*Synchro, as well as many SUV's) are never used off road. By focusing the
*name of the group as you propose, it's quite possible that a large
*segment of 4WD vehicles and their owners may feel or be excluded.
*If one were to look for an alternative name, perhaps rec.autos.4WD would
*be appropriate, as, to some, 4X4 connotes offroad type vehicles, while
*4WD is applicable to a broader segment of the market, including vans and
*cars that are not designed for, nor will ever be used, off road.
* Shel Belinkoff
* beli...@netcom.com
Peter Burka
> This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
>
> Group name: rec.autos.4x4
> Status: unmoderated
> Distribution: world-wide
>
Don't some sites choke on groups starting with a digit?
Peter
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[snip]
: Thank you for your consideration.
: --
: Mary Rathke
: (mra...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
: The Ohio State University
: (614) 292-9678
No, thank YOU for finally addressing this much needed group. This group
is long, long, overdue. Of course, you will have my full support.
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91 Rodeo United 4WD Assoc.
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Craig Bird
>Group name: rec.autos.4x4
>Status: unmoderated
>Distribution: world-wide
>Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
>questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
>could be driven offroad legally.
>Rationale: Many people have been using other auto newsgroups like
>rec.autos, or rec.autos.makers.chrysler to discuss their 4x4 vehicle
>questions. These groups do not give a lot of responses to the 4x4
>owner due to the broad nature of information they cover. This group
>would be geared towards the 4-wheel drive owner, no matter what make
>of vehicle is owned.
Great idea!
Consider this a YES vote for me too!
C. Bird
Vancouver, British Columbia
Scott Linn
: This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
As far as discussion goes, I would vote for it. There are a lot of issues
specific to 4x4's which aren't covered in the other groups, especially with
after-market modifications.
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The Great Pumpkin
>I think rec.autos.4WD makes more sense, and if Shel hadn't posted the
>following, I would post something like it!
I also prefer the name "rec.autos.4wd" over .offroad and .4x4. My interest
is solely in getting around in snow and on ice, rather than through mud
and up 90 degree walls of canyons.
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Tim Hogard
: In article <3b07le$3...@rodan.UU.NET> mra...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mary
Yep. It will be the third bad name in a row for rec.autos.
It is a very small number of sites that have the problem. They don't
carry some groups like alt.1d etc. because of the problem. They tend
to be leaf nodes so news transfer isn't that bad.
-tim
Tim Tewalt
(The Great Pumpkin) wrote:
> I also prefer the name "rec.autos.4wd" over .offroad and .4x4. My interest
> is solely in getting around in snow and on ice, rather than through mud
> and up 90 degree walls of canyons.
No flame here, but if it's winter driving tips you're looking for, I
think you'll need to post questions to rec.autos.driving.
The purpose of this group, I believe, will be to discuss topics relating
to four-wheel drive vehicles and driving off road; as well as after market
parts, four-wheel drive trails, clubs and the like. Any others?
In my opinion, rec.autos.4x4 is the most descriptive name for such a group.
To me, "4x4" suggests a vehicle equipped for off-road driving... any four-
wheel drive pickup or sport/utility vehicle. I do not believe what was
described in the original RFD to be relevant to four wheel drive sedans,
station wagons and mini-vans; and suspect such traffic will be minimal,
regardless of the group name.
Jason Tharp
Thank you,
Jason Tharp
Todd Hutchinson
> This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
>
> Group name: rec.autos.4x4
> Status: unmoderated
> Distribution: world-wide
>
> Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
> questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
> could be driven offroad legally.
When and where. The sooner the better.
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Greg KD3SU
: This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
: Group name: rec.autos.4x4
: Status: unmoderated
: Distribution: world-wide
: Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
: questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
: could be driven offroad legally.
: Rationale: Many people have been using other auto newsgroups like
: rec.autos, or rec.autos.makers.chrysler to discuss their 4x4 vehicle
: questions. These groups do not give a lot of responses to the 4x4
: owner due to the broad nature of information they cover. This group
: would be geared towards the 4-wheel drive owner, no matter what make
: of vehicle is owned.
: Thank you for your consideration.
I would like to vote YES for rec.autos.4x4.
--Greg
Shel Belinkoff
: : Don't some sites choke on groups starting with a digit?
: Yep. It will be the third bad name in a row for rec.autos.
The name can just as easily be rec.autos.four-wheel-drive, or something
similar, no?
Shel Belinkoff
beli...@netcom.com
Jonathan Grobe
: This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
: Group name: rec.autos.4x4
: Status: unmoderated
: Distribution: world-wide
: Summary: This newsgroup would serve as a place where users could ask
: questions and get advice about 4-wheel drive vehicles, and places they
: could be driven offroad legally.
rec.* is an international hierarchy. I question how common the use of
4x4 is internationally and thus believe the name is obscure. I believe
a more appropriate name would be rec.autos.4-wheel-drive.
Why didn't group-advice have any problems with this name?
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Jonathan Grobe gr...@ins.infonet.net
Jonathan Grobe
>The name can just as easily be rec.autos.four-wheel-drive, or something
>similar, no?
four-wheel-drive exceeds the 14 character limit of each component of a
name.
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Michael Williams
>Mary Rathke (mra...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
>
>: Group name: rec.autos.4x4
>: Status: unmoderated
>: Distribution: world-wide
>
>4x4 is internationally and thus believe the name is obscure. I believe
>a more appropriate name would be rec.autos.4-wheel-drive.
4x4 is a well known term in the UK, although "fwd" is also becoming
widespread (though that is too obscure a tla for a group name).
Personally, though, I don't like group names starting with a digit...
Mike.
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Shel Belinkoff
: >The name can just as easily be rec.autos.four-wheel-drive, or something
: >similar, no?
: four-wheel-drive exceeds the 14 character limit of each component of a
: name.
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or something similar . . .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Shel Belinkoff
beli...@netcom.com
Jon Bell
>rec.* is an international hierarchy. I question how common the use of
>4x4 is internationally and thus believe the name is obscure. I believe
>a more appropriate name would be rec.autos.4-wheel-drive.
How about rec.autos.offroad? We already have, or will soon have,
rec.bicycles.offroad. (Or is it "off-road"?)
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Fred Heald
: This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
: Group name: rec.autos.4x4
: Status: unmoderated
: Distribution: world-wide
I agree that a group on this subject would be useful; but I also think
that rec.autos.off-road might be more appropriate.
(me: '70 Land Rover 88", '67 Land Rover 109" 4-door, '65 Land Rover 109"
2-door, '90 Audi 90 Quattro)
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David C. Peterson
[snip]
| >rec.* is an international hierarchy. I question how common the use of
| >4x4 is internationally and thus believe the name is obscure. I believe
| >a more appropriate name would be rec.autos.4-wheel-drive.
|
| 4x4 is a well known term in the UK, although "fwd" is also becoming
| widespread (though that is too obscure a tla for a group name).
Another argument against "fwd" is that, at least in the US, it often
stands for "front-wheel-drive".
Dave
rec.autos.offroad
rec.autos.all-wheel-drive (or AWD or 4WD or something like that)
rec.autos.light.trucks
The first would cover offroad driving and vehicles (4 x 4 stuff).
The second would cover all cars designed for harsh weather conditions
(e.g. Subarus, AMC Eagles, Jeeps, and other 4x4 and 4WD and AWD
vehicles).
The third would cover all those fuel-wasting vehicles driven by urban
cowboys (and those driven by people who actually need them -- a
relatively small percentage, from what I've seen). This would include
the Jeeps, Land Rovers, etc, as well as the Blazers, Dakotas, and all
the other pickups.
I think the group should be better defined. Exactly which audience are
they trying to reach -- the "people trying to be macho by driving big
trucks" (alt.macho.trucks) group, the offroad group, or the people who
like to have traction in winter group?
One legitimate concern which has not been addressed, though raised in an
earlier post, is the localness of the 4x4 designation, taken from the
U.S. Army. How will that be addressed?
I would like these concerns to be responded to before voting.
James T McBride
vehicle newsgroup called rec.autos.4x4.
I think the name is clear and not open to much misinterpretation. The charter
should clearly spell out that on-road four-wheel drives are included, ala.
Audi Quattro, Porsche 959 and Carrera (4).
Of the badges the auto industry has employed (FWD, 4WD) 4x4 is preferable.
MHO,
Jim
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> Jonathan Grobe <gr...@ins.infonet.net> wrote:
>>rec.* is an international hierarchy. I question how common the use of
>>4x4 is internationally and thus believe the name is obscure. I believe
>>a more appropriate name would be rec.autos.4-wheel-drive.
>
>How about rec.autos.offroad? We already have, or will soon have,
>rec.bicycles.offroad. (Or is it "off-road"?)
>
Actually, this would seem to make a good deal of sense. This would also
provide a place for other off-roading vehicles, like dune buggies, etc.
They would seem to have more in common with 4X4s than any other group.
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Dave
*I think the name is clear and not open to much misinterpretation. The charter
*should clearly spell out that on-road four-wheel drives are included, ala.
*Audi Quattro, Porsche 959 and Carrera (4).
Really? Does 4 x 4 include AWD? 4WD passenger cars? Or just trucks, which
are generally the only vehicles using the 4x4 badge?
*Of the badges the auto industry has employed (FWD, 4WD) 4x4 is preferable.
Why?
*MHO,
Oh.
us00...@interramp.com
<7266...@CompuServe.COM> writes:
I'll second that vote.
Ian Beckett
: >This is a formal request for discussion for a new newsgroup: rec.autos.4x4
great, just what i was looking for! YES!
Tim Tewalt
wrote:
> I think either of the following would be best:
>
> rec.autos.offroad
> rec.autos.all-wheel-drive (or AWD or 4WD or something like that)
> rec.autos.light.trucks
rec.autos.4x4 is more descriptive than any of the above and would include
the three types of groups you list below...
> The first would cover offroad driving and vehicles (4 x 4 stuff).
Things like lift kits, installing larger tires, winches, Jeep trails,
etc. I assume.
> The second would cover all cars designed for harsh weather conditions
> (e.g. Subarus, AMC Eagles, Jeeps, and other 4x4 and 4WD and AWD
> vehicles).
I would be suprised to see much discussion about four wheel drive cars
and wagons... anywhere. However, if an Audi Quattro owner would like
to know what its ramp travel index is; I'm sure they could post an ask.
> The third would cover all those fuel-wasting vehicles driven by urban
> cowboys (and those driven by people who actually need them -- a
> relatively small percentage, from what I've seen). This would include
> the Jeeps, Land Rovers, etc, as well as the Blazers, Dakotas, and all
> the other pickups.
Fuel wasting urban cowboys or not, the sport/utility vehicle market alone
(not including pickups) is estimated at 1.5 million vehicles.
> I think the group should be better defined. Exactly which audience are
> they trying to reach -- the "people trying to be macho by driving big
> trucks" (alt.macho.trucks) group, the offroad group, or the people who
> like to have traction in winter group?
The target group was defined very well in the original RFD, in my opinion.
The group is for people interested in sport utility vehicles as well as
four wheel drive pickups. The name rec.autos.4x4 is very descriptive and
would seem to be the most appropriate.
As for better traction in winter... how many times can someone to tell
you to "pump the brakes" or "turn into the direction of your skid"???
Come on.
> One legitimate concern which has not been addressed, though raised in an
> earlier post, is the localness of the 4x4 designation, taken from the
> U.S. Army. How will that be addressed?
Besides the States, I've seen the term "4x4" in Canada, Mexico, Australia
and England. Any others???
Sean A Corfield
In article <NEWTNews.15192.7...@interramp.com>,
us00...@interramp.com writes:
> In article <3b9kv6$qkb$3...@mhade.production.compuserve.com>,
> <7266...@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> > I vote YES for a 4x4 newsgroup.
> I'll second that vote.
Since I work for a company that seems to have a policy of "company cars are
4x4"
I vote FOR the group...
Shel Belinkoff
: > One legitimate concern which has not been addressed, though raised in an
: > earlier post, is the localness of the 4x4 designation, taken from the
: > U.S. Army. How will that be addressed?
: Besides the States, I've seen the term "4x4" in Canada, Mexico, Australia
: and England. Any others???
Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Brazil, Iceland, Switzerland, Sweden,
Germany, Japan - I have met, spoken with, or read about people from those
areas, and they use the term 4x4.
Shel Belinkoff
beli...@netcom.com