ham or c.b. (it is still a hobby guys!)
creemos
call sign was KART-8926. It was fun buying a cheap "fannon-courier" 4 watt
mobile running a 3/4 wave archer ground plane. IT WAS GREAT FUN!
I got my "HAM" ticket in '83 and my call sign is KE4BNF. Most of the guys
and ladies I talk to still have friends on 11 meters... I am one of them.
Why? IT IS ALOT OF FUN! So is 2m and 6m!
Lesson: If you cannot have fun with the radio hobby, let it go. (Absense
makes the heart grow fonder!) If you really love the radio hobby, learn
about the great things that others share and ignore the garbage that others
try to use to steal your joy of radio...
10-10 from Kid Cody or '73's from KE4BNF... take your pick!
Leland C. Scott
"creemos" <cre...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:uUqfOP9fAHA.278@cpmsnbbsa07...
> fun with the radio hobby
While Ham Radio and CB Radio are considered "hobbies", Ham Radio also offers
a service to the public in the form of emergency communications, for
example. That is why as Ham Radio operators we have numerous privileges we
enjoy, compared to CB Radio. Along with those privileges come a
responsibility, a responsibility to operate per the rules. CB Radio on the
other hand has no such public service element outlined in Part 95.
--
73's,
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
NCI member
"You ask what Morse Code is good for? I'll tell you. Morse
Code is used exclusively by Electronics Based life forms to
communicate amongst themselves using advanced Organic
Digital Signal Processors, running state of the art Artificial
Intelligence Software, to perform the highly complex
transmit encryption, receive decryption and error correction
functions."
www.kp82.com
>
>While Ham Radio and CB Radio are considered "hobbies", Ham Radio also offers
>a service to the public in the form of emergency communications, for
>example. That is why as Ham Radio operators we have numerous privileges we
>enjoy, compared to CB Radio. Along with those privileges come a
>responsibility, a responsibility to operate per the rules. CB Radio on the
>other hand has no such public service element outlined in Part 95.
>
>
>--
>73's,
>
>Leland C. Scott
>KC8LDO
>
>ARRL member
>NCI member
>
>"You ask what Morse Code is good for? I'll tell you. Morse
>Code is used exclusively by Electronics Based life forms to
>communicate amongst themselves using advanced Organic
>Digital Signal Processors, running state of the art Artificial
>Intelligence Software, to perform the highly complex
>transmit encryption, receive decryption and error correction
>functions."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
73 de Tim
Knight Patrol #82
http://www.kp82.com
kj7g...@my-deja.com
Kid Cody/KE4BNF, I couldn't have said it better myself! When I got my
ham license back in '88, my CB friends asked me not to forget them --
and I haven't. Radio is radio, it can all be legal AND fun, and I
applaud you for your vision on this. 73 my friend. Thanks for your
post.
"Bobtail"/KJ7GS
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Leland C. Scott
"www.kp82.com" <tim...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
news:20010116185338...@ng-fe1.aol.com...
> hey leland. ever heard of react?
So were in Part 95 does it say that CB Radio has a public service element to
it, like in Part 97, which was my point? As far as REACT goes, the last
thing I read about it, a while back in POP COM, is it's dying because of all
the B.S. in the organization. Too bad some bozos had to go and screw it up.
Sparky
<no-...@junk-mail.net> wrote:
>
>"www.kp82.com" <tim...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
>news:20010116185338...@ng-fe1.aol.com...
>> hey leland. ever heard of react?
>
>So were in Part 95 does it say that CB Radio has a public service element to
>it, like in Part 97, which was my point? As far as REACT goes, the last
>thing I read about it, a while back in POP COM, is it's dying because of all
>the B.S. in the organization. Too bad some bozos had to go and screw it up.
CB radio showed it's true potential in the emergency situation after
Mt. St. Helens popped its cork back in 1980. The hams didn't do
anything but sit on their asses and brag about how they could do the
job a whole lot better (there were a few rare exceptions).
After Spokane's ice storm four years ago the citizen's band was poorly
organized and grossly abused. It didn't help at all, and sometimes it
even hindered. The hams didn't do anything but sit on their asses and
brag about how much help they provided back in 1980 (again, there were
a few rare exceptions).
With the current abundance of moronic behavior, bad attitudes, and
cheap splatterboxes on 11 meters, nobody should even consider using CB
radio in an emergency. REACT has become even less dependable than ham
radio (with no exceptions at all).
Sparky, FLRC
*
rules.
The Phoneman
Pennsylvania this. Last time I checked all the PSP Barracks
had a CB Radio sitting beside the communications console.
REACT donated to all the stations in 1977-78.
I hear comms all the time on 154.755 & 159.210 regarding
assistance calls on I-81 and PA Turnpike that they got via CB.
The Phoneman
PS>Odd they don't have a Ham radio sitting at the console
since they are much more superior than CB.
SNIP>
AB2HR
<no-...@junk-mail.net> wrote:
>
>"creemos" <cre...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
>news:uUqfOP9fAHA.278@cpmsnbbsa07...
>
>> fun with the radio hobby
>
>While Ham Radio and CB Radio are considered "hobbies", Ham Radio also offers
>a service to the public in the form of emergency communications, for
>example. That is why as Ham Radio operators we have numerous privileges we
>enjoy, compared to CB Radio. Along with those privileges come a
>responsibility, a responsibility to operate per the rules. CB Radio on the
>other hand has no such public service element outlined in Part 95.
While the CB service does not have a public service element
SPECIFICALLY outlined in Part 95, I encourage you to attempt to
convince any active REACT member (of which there are still quite a few
hanging about) that CB does not fulfill a public service. Also,
please note that in times of emergency, most RACES organizations do
monitor CB channel 9 for emergency traffic from non-ham sources.
73 de
Ray / AB2HR
Gene
> a service to the public in the form of emergency communications, for
> example. That is why as Ham Radio operators we have numerous privileges we
> enjoy, compared to CB Radio. Along with those privileges come a
> responsibility, a responsibility to operate per the rules. CB Radio on the
> other hand has no such public service element outlined in Part 95.
>
> --
> 73's,
>
> Leland C. Scott
> KC8LDO
>
> ARRL member
> NCI member
As a ham and CB operator, many of us stayed pretty busy in Miami in
1992. Lot of common folks turned their CBs on to communicate and find
out the best way out of the city etc, and fortunately there were those
of us who were there to pass information back and forth from ES and the
ARES net to the CBers out and about.
Leland C. Scott
"AB2HR" <ab...@arrl.net> wrote in message
news:8ibb6tk11176mhejk...@4ax.com...
> While the CB service does not have a public service element
> SPECIFICALLY outlined in Part 95
Ray, I understand that, however the point I am making is Ham Radio is a
service (not JUST a hobby as the original posted said), whereas CB Radio is
a hobby. One of the differences is the public service element outlined in
the rules each operates under. Even now there are a number of "experimental"
licenses granted to several Ham Radio stations to conduct propagation
studies on a "possibility new Ham band" located somewhere between 75m and
40m, if memory serves me correctly. The FCC realizes there is a gap there,
where another band would provide better emergency communication service when
needed.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
Leland C. Scott
"Gene" <webm...@zylay.com> wrote in message
news:3A65C03F...@zylay.com...
> As a ham and CB operator, many of us stayed pretty busy in Miami in
> 1992. Lot of common folks turned their CBs on to communicate and find
> out the best way out of the city etc, and fortunately there were those
> of us who were there to pass information back and forth from ES and the
> ARES net to the CBers out and about.
And if all the CB Radio operators stop doing any kind of emergency
communication work the FCC could care less. It was never one of the basis
for the creation of the CB Radio Band. On the other hand, if all Ham Radio
operators quit doing any kind of emergency communication work the FCC is
going to ask why, since it is part of what we (at least some do) are to do
in times of need, per Part 97.
So all in all I do understand that both do emergency communication work,
only the Ham Radio "Service" has an official mandate, as opposed to CB
Radio, from the FCC per Part 97, to do so. That is the difference between a
"Hobby Radio" and a "Service". That is the bone I have to pick with the
original poster of this thread.
twist...@webtv.net
remember the '92 storm and the riots back in the eighties in Overtown,
but the stuff on the scanner during the Elian thing was way too cool.
Like right outta a spy flick!
Gene
too well with big cities, so I stay out here in the panhandle with my
kids and dogs.
twist...@webtv.net
tell me what part 97 requires of licensed amateurs? Does it require
mandatory response and monitoring or something? You said only some.
Certain class or all? Unless you are referring to RACES, but that ain't
mandatory, is it? If hammies quit participating in whatever it is you
refer, who is the FCC going to ask, "why"? The ARRL? What if you aren't
a member?
twist...@webtv.net
swamp myself, north side of Tampa BAy smack dab almost on the county
line. Got a few radio friends up there in your neck of the woods. Matter
of fact, was up in Suwannee a few months ago. Looking at a few acres to
buy for hunting season somewhere near the "blue line" area of the coast
near one of the rivers, maybe not all that far from you. Are you on the
air now? LAte at night on some weekends when it's real clear and
conditions permitting, we do the panhandle and Gulf States pretty well.
No signal sometimes, but hey, if audio works, it works. Take it easy up
there!
Gene
of mine and 2 of hers) am too busy to even get on ham except when
heading to work. I just still like to play and keep thinking about
stringing up a wire antenna for 11 meters one day so I can put my mom's
old base station back on the air. Bought it for her and took it straight
to 10-4 CB shop in Ocala to have EVERYTHING done to it, but she died
before even getting a chance to see it. She was one of the most
well-known CBers in Gainesville, and her funeral parade was a solid line
of whip antennas. Since then I just havetalked that much on the air
anymore, but I love playing with my kids and old CBs and teaching hte
basics and antenna theory etc.
Leland C. Scott
<twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23267-3A...@storefull-126.bryant.webtv.net...
> Yo' Leland! That is very interesting. SInce I ain't a hammie, can you
> tell me what part 97 requires of licensed amateurs?
Sure. Copied this off the ARRL web site:
Subpart A--General Provisions
§97.1 Basis and purpose.
The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur
radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following
principles:
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the
public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with
respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute
to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which
provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases
of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of
trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance
international goodwill.
> Does it require
> mandatory response and monitoring or something?
No. Some Hams however take doing public and emergency communication services
very serious, and spend many hours doing it. Others work on other parts of
Part 97.1. As long as the FCC feel conformable with the effort put in to the
various parts of Part 97 we have a good chance of keeping our bands. It's
when we ignore those provisions is where we run the real risk of losing our
spectrum. And there are no end of groups watching us, just waiting for the
excuse to grab some of that spectrum for other uses.
> You said only some.
> Certain class or all?
This applies to all classes. When I said "some" I was refering to "some
Hams", not some classes.
> Unless you are referring to RACES, but that ain't
> mandatory, is it?
Emergency and public communication services not "mandatory" for Hams, with a
big "BUT" if we don't, then we have less reason to have the access to the
large amount of spectrum we use. You can say that Part 97 is the
"justification" why the Ham Radio service exists. The main Idea is in an
emergency situation a Ham can be called upon to perform emergency
communications. In fact that is what "Field Day" is all about really, a
practice run for the "real thing". It's not meant to be a weekend DX
contest - BBQ party in the park as many treat it.
> If hammies quit participating in whatever it is you
> refer, who is the FCC going to ask,
Good question. The real question then is who is "prepared" to conduct
communications over large distances. I know it can be done sometimes on 11m,
but 11m, and even 10m, is not the best band to use for long haul comm's.
When a band is closed, well it's closed, and you have to be able to use
another one which is open, thus the reason Hams have so many bands to use.
twist...@webtv.net
bunch. Hope ya' got some land for all them young 'uns to run on. You
don't say how long ago all this took place, but there was a stint in 91
or 92 I lived off East Lake Weir Boulevard. I know a bunch of them old
timer cbers in Ocala. Tractor Man was unofficially the oldest on the air
at the time I was there. If he wasn't, no one else claimed to be either.
Ya' oughtta fire them eleven meter radios up Gene. Lotsa good folk
'round your parts and when the prison has a jailbreak, a few of the
locals come into play with the dogs and swamps and they use cb. Throw
that wire up and key it down!
twist...@webtv.net
field day thing as I used to read QST, CQ and a few other rags quite a
long time ago, but gave them up when I decided not to get the ticket. I
still pick up a copy here and there when in the book store and browse
through it real quick and if something interests me I'll buy it. But I
don't think I bought one since March of last year.
Leland C. Scott
<twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21833-3A...@storefull-121.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
I think I understand. Some of the articles in QST can be a wee bit lame! I'm
not in to contesting, however I have gone on the air to give away points to
those who would just die to get another one to boost their score. The V/UHF
contest is this weekend, so I might get out there, and give away a few
freebies just for fun.
DXpeditions articles, not for me either, can't figure out why somebody would
waste their time, parked in front of a radio for hours on end, in an exotic
location. Me, I would be out sight seeing, eating the food, and talking to
the locals, screw the radio crap with the 8 to 10 hour shift nonsense!
--
73's,
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
ARRL member
NCI member
"You ask what Morse Code is good for? I'll tell you. Morse
twist...@webtv.net
radio for a few days. I'm more interested in checkin' out the local
habitat than be worried about radio.
Sparky
<phone...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>PS>Odd they don't have a Ham radio sitting at the console
>since they are much more superior than CB.
<snip>
>> . . . REACT has become even less dependable than ham
>> radio (with no exceptions at all).
I'm glad you agree.
Sparky, FLRC
www.kp82.com
>I'm pretty much with you on the exotic locale thing and chuckin' the
>radio for a few days. I'm more interested in checkin' out the local
>habitat than be worried about radio
Jeff Mayner
That would be "fauna"...
Jeff
"www.kp82.com" <tim...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
news:20010117213021...@ng-ff1.aol.com...
Cap'n Crunch
whom) CB in the console too and a decent antenna on the roof of the
building.... although if you walk up and look closely (I have), It's RARELY
on.... the dispatcher can't stand the constant inane chatter.
--
__/__ __ /__
__ /__ __/__
_____/_____/___ /~
\ Cap'n Crunch /
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The Phoneman" <phone...@hotmail.com> wrote in message ...
Dave Hall
>
> Hmmmm. Better tell the people who drive through the state of
> Pennsylvania this. Last time I checked all the PSP Barracks
> had a CB Radio sitting beside the communications console.
> REACT donated to all the stations in 1977-78.
And that is the key. They were donated in the late 70's when CB, and
REACT in general, were still viable options. I'd be willing to bet that
they rarely turn it on now, with all the noise and BS that is a staple
of today's CB. At the very least they'd have to run the squelch pretty
far up, and that will limit useful receive range.
Most REACT stations are shutting down now, for the simple reason that
more people now have cell phones that can reach 911 directly, then have
CB radios, that can hopefully get a call through to a REACT station.
Dave
"Sandbagger"
twist...@webtv.net
the corner.
Gene
Yeah, we got lots of fine habitat down here :)
Gene
It's all in what you enjoy. Me, I'd take my mountain and road bike with
me for some 2-wheeled sightseeing.
Gene
> the corner.
And with Panama City Beach right down the road from me, I'm ready for it
too :)
Gene
I interview for a job out at Jefferson Corectional tomorrow as their
network admin. If so, would be in a good position to buy about 15-20
acres with a decent doublewide on it.
You can see the whole gang at http://www.tfn.net/~gfloyd7/cmn/
www.kp82.com
twist...@webtv.net
property. Seems to me like you're gonna need it down the line!
Jeff Mayner
:-)
Jeff
"www.kp82.com" <tim...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
news:20010118120331...@ng-mj1.aol.com...
Buckeye Web Design
>
> Hmmmm. Better tell the people who drive through the state of
> Pennsylvania this. Last time I checked all the PSP Barracks
> had a CB Radio sitting beside the communications console.
> REACT donated to all the stations in 1977-78.
> assistance calls on I-81 and PA Turnpike that they got via CB.
> The Phoneman
>
> PS>Odd they don't have a Ham radio sitting at the console
> since they are much more superior than CB.
>
I can tell you that REACT is far from useless, but REACT is changing
with the times, no longer do they just monitor the cb, they are also
monitoring FRS, GMRS, ham bands ( and they are licensed ), REACT also
does more than just monitoring for emergencies, they provide radio
communications and traffic direction for public events such as parades,
festivals, they also provide emregency communications in disasters in
support of the American Red Cross. REACT also host "Safety Wake Breaks"
on holiday week-ends along the highways. REACT has also won the
President's Volunteer Action Award.
WebDoc
--
Vice President: Henry County REACT
District Coordinator Zone 1: Ohio State REACT Council
http://www.reactintl.org the official website of REACT International
Qrm2000
>Odd they don't have a Ham radio sitting at the console
>> since they are much more superior than CB.
>>
It is not necessary for law enforcement to monitor the ham bands, nor
(considering the large number of repeaters and simplex frequencies) is it
practical.
Amateurs can contact authorities either by using an autopatch to make a
telephone call, or by relaying through a third party.
On the other hand, it is quite common to find ham radio installations at the
National Weather Service so the folks at the radar can get immediate
confirmation of ground conditions from spotters. Amateur stations also are
located at most Emergency Operation Centers at the state and county level. In
disasters, it is common for the cellular network to fail or get overloaded.
Hams provide the mobile communications necessary to keep messages flowing. In
addition, they are available as a backup for "official" communications methods.
In these cases, frequencies are specified in advance so everyone knows "where
to gather". And a lot of training takes place between "events".
Every Amateur position must be manned by an operator with the proper license
class--regardless of the class of the station trustee and call sign. This
further explains why the HP doesn't "have a Ham radio sitting at the console".
It is not practical to have a licensed ham on duty around the clock at a
Highway Patrol communications center. Nor is it necessary because of the
previously-mentioned autopatch and third party relays.
Hope this answers the question.
QRM
Leland C. Scott
"Buckeye Web Design" <arc...@bnnorth.net> wrote in message
news:3A6E406E...@bnnorth.net...
> I can tell you that REACT is far from useless, but REACT is changing
> with the times, no longer do they just monitor the cb, they are also
> monitoring FRS, GMRS, ham bands ( and they are licensed )
I assume you are refering to GMRS, Amateur, or both? You don't need a
license to monitor, just to transmit.
Buckeye Web Design
licensed for GMRS and amateur. REACT above all stresses being legal, so
if team members are not licensed for GMRS or amateur they may monitor
but do not respond.
I myself do not have my amateur license yet but I am working on it, I
have the theory down but the code is causing me problems, I am tone deaf
and the freq range that I have problems hearing is the same range as the
code, but I'll do my best. If I have to settle for a technicians class
license I will but I will do it legally.
WebDoc
I Dx Eleven
without being having any liscence at all.
>REACT above all stresses being legal, so
>if team members are not licensed for GMRS or amateur they may monitor
>but do not respond.
>
Best Wishes And Good DX,
Tim Kp82 Knight Patrol USA
My Web Site:
http://www.kp82.com
Kp Main Site:
http://www.gate.net/~kp
Most Complete Source of 11 Meter And Amateur Radio Links:
http://www.dxzone.com
Leland C. Scott
> "Leland C. Scott" wrote:
> >
> > "Buckeye Web Design" <arc...@bnnorth.net> wrote in message
> > news:3A6E406E...@bnnorth.net...
> > > I can tell you that REACT is far from useless, but REACT is changing
> > > with the times, no longer do they just monitor the cb, they are also
> > > monitoring FRS, GMRS, ham bands ( and they are licensed )
> >
> > I assume you are refering to GMRS, Amateur, or both? You don't need a
> > license to monitor, just to transmit.
> >
> > --
> > Leland C. Scott
> > KC8LDO
> By that I mean that the ones that monitor and respond are indeed
> licensed for GMRS and amateur. REACT above all stresses being legal, so
> if team members are not licensed for GMRS or amateur they may monitor
> but do not respond.
I'm sure that REACT wants its members to operate legally. I was just
confused from your post about whom was licensed. Thanks for clearing that
up.
> I myself do not have my amateur license yet but I am working on it, I
> have the theory down but the code is causing me problems, I am tone deaf
> and the freq range that I have problems hearing is the same range as the
> code, but I'll do my best. If I have to settle for a technicians class
> license I will but I will do it legally.
It's my understanding that if you do have a problem that reasonable
accommodations can be made for testing, such as using a lamp in place of an
audio tone. I would suggest that you ask some VE's (Volunteer Examiners) at
the local radio clubs what they can do for you along those lines. Most of
them are more than willing to help somebody with a handicap to pass the code
test. You have nothing to lose by asking. 8-)) Good luck.
Leland C. Scott
"I Dx Eleven" <knightp...@aol.comFckSpam> wrote in message
news:20010124165537...@ng-co1.aol.com...
> in a true life or death emrgency you can use any frequency, power, or mode
> without being having any liscence at all.
While that is true, it sure has to be clear cut! I have read on the Ham news
groups, where this topic has come up before, that some Hams are reluctant to
do what you suggested Tim. Why? Because after the fact the FCC ends up
second guessing your judgment you had to make quickly on the spot. Some Hams
don't feel comfortable with the idea that the FCC may disagree with their
choice, and then having to defend themselves. It's really a crappy situation
to be in.
I Dx Eleven
that was in distress on the freebands. the article was in all the papers and
the guy still to this day has never had a problem. even got a couple awards
from local civic groups.
>
>While that is true, it sure has to be clear cut! I have read on the Ham news
>groups, where this topic has come up before, that some Hams are reluctant to
>do what you suggested Tim. Why? Because after the fact the FCC ends up
>second guessing your judgment you had to make quickly on the spot. Some Hams
>don't feel comfortable with the idea that the FCC may disagree with their
>choice, and then having to defend themselves. It's really a crappy situation
>to be in.
>
>--
>73's,
>
>Leland C. Scott
>KC8LDO
>
>ARRL member
>NCI member
>
>"You ask what Morse Code is good for? I'll tell you. Morse
>Code is used exclusively by Electronics Based life forms to
>communicate amongst themselves using advanced Organic
>Digital Signal Processors, running state of the art Artificial
>Intelligence Software, to perform the highly complex
>transmit encryption, receive decryption and error correction
>functions."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Leland C. Scott
"I Dx Eleven" <knightp...@aol.comFckSpam> wrote in message
> i had a local several years back work a personal vessel in the gulf of
mexico
> that was in distress on the freebands. the article was in all the papers
and
> the guy still to this day has never had a problem. even got a couple
awards
> from local civic groups.
Well that's good to hear. As you pointed out, where lives are at stake,
anything goes. At least the FCC had the good sense not to second guess the
guy on his choice of action. I don't have problem with it in this case
either.
Karl
fighting.
karl:k7arl
creemos wrote:
> I cut my teeth (which are fewer in number than in '74) on 11 meters and my
> call sign was KART-8926. It was fun buying a cheap "fannon-courier" 4 watt
> mobile running a 3/4 wave archer ground plane. IT WAS GREAT FUN!
>
> I got my "HAM" ticket in '83 and my call sign is KE4BNF. Most of the guys
> and ladies I talk to still have friends on 11 meters... I am one of them.
> Why? IT IS ALOT OF FUN! So is 2m and 6m!
>
> Lesson: If you cannot have fun with the radio hobby, let it go. (Absense
> makes the heart grow fonder!) If you really love the radio hobby, learn
> about the great things that others share and ignore the garbage that others
> try to use to steal your joy of radio...
>
> 10-10 from Kid Cody or '73's from KE4BNF... take your pick!
--
( * ~ * ) Karl