OTTAWA: CO$ TERRORIZES MY PARENTS
Gregg Hagglund
Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
ill parents in Ottawa.
This occured last week (first week of Feb/99).
This despite being specifically warned not to do so as posted on the
net for OSAs attention.
[See <elrond-0212...@cgowave-44-45.cgocable.net>
at Deja News.]
My parents are in their 80s and not in the best of health. I had
extended the No Trespassing Notice I gave the Co$ to include my brothers
home (which the Co$ had visited once before) and my parents home. [It may
be possible to bring charges of Criminal Assault by Trespass.]
My mother answered the door to a man and woman who identified
themselves as Scientologists and wanted to come in and discuss 'your sons
religious bigotry'.
My mother told them to go away and closed the door on them.
If they had talked their way in it is very likely they would have so
emotionally outraged my father as cause him physical harm, possibly even
have hospitalized him. {My father is fighting cancer and is now quite
frail.}
Despite my past assurances to my parents about general Scientologists
being as harmless and misled as the investors in BriEx they still reacted
based on the rural myths of Scientology and were very frightened and
upset.
Of course this was the purpose of the visit. To let me know Co$ can
reach out and impose themselves on my family members, cause upset and lend
family pressure for me to 'mind my own business'. Well while I love my
parents and do not want them to suffer further upset I will not cease my
open criticism of the Co$. Were my parents younger and stronger they would
~never~ advise me to MYOB. I will not be intimidated or 'shuddered into
silence' in this fashion.
But I will react.
I shall safe guard my parents peace by legal means and continue my
peaceful anti-Co$ activism. It is sad my Freedom of Speech comes at the
cost of my elderly parents peace of mind and twilight tranquility.
It will be necessary to obtain an Restraining Order if this continues.
[ The Criminally Convicted Co$ just doesn't get it. The activisim is
spreading in Toronto. Now others are 'cloning' off and Picket Captaining
in Toronto. Pickets I will gladly support and/or attend.]
You 'drew it in', Co$.
There ~will~ be consequences for the terrorizing of my parents.
The consequences will all be legal and peaceful.
Wog Law rules!
Stirred back into peaceful and legal activity,
Gregg Hagglund SP5
Rendered Net Invisible to Participating Victims of Co$ by Co$.
Toronto Picket Reports now at:
<http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8412/>
Michael Reuss
> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>ill parents in Ottawa.
> My parents are in their 80s and not in the best of health. I had
>extended the No Trespassing Notice I gave the Co$ to include my brothers
>home (which the Co$ had visited once before) and my parents home.
Disgusting, but not the least bit surprising, when you consider that one
of Hubbardspew's most sacred teachings calls for them to destroy the
enemies who threaten to bring bad publicity down upon them. And if they
have to hurt the parents of an enemy in the process, they clearly will.
What really ticks me off is that the same fucking bastards who pull this
kind of shit simultaneously claim that they're more ethical as a result
of their training (nee brainwashing) from $cientology.
Give your parents our best, Gregg. If you think it appropriate and if it
would not upset them, please explain to them that many people are
working and speaking out, in order to undermine the workings of the
nasty cult that brainwashed those stupid, cheeky, unethical bastards who
came to their door. Tell them that if we succeed, soon no one will ever
again come to their door or anyone's door, pretending to be religious,
while at the same time they are conniving and manipulating and trying to
drive a wedge between them and their loved ones.
Apparently the stupid idiots who run the Co$ and the OSA have not
learned a single thing during the last few years of having these
bullshit misdeeds exposed in exactly this way on the Internet.
And that, to me, is the definition of stupid.
--
Michael Reuss (remove nospam from address to reply by e-mail)
Honorary Kid
Zenon Panoussis
Gregg Hagglund skrev:
>
> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
> Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
> ill parents in Ottawa.
> It will be necessary to obtain an Restraining Order if this continues.
It can be very difficult to identify a target for a restraining
order. The CoS? The local org? Then the CCHR will come. And if
you include the CCHR in the order, the FRL will come. Or any other
organization invented on the spot for this particular purpose.
Or "individual scientologists". Or "concerned citizens". They
can very efficiently defy any restraining order by chameleonting
as the need arises.
I sincerely can't blame Minton for shooting in the air, particularly
in a country where he, at some point, could legally shoot at the
trespassers themselves. Minton, BTW, have you ever considered loading
a gun with coarse salt? I am told that salt causes very little injury,
yet is amazingly efficient in making people remember forever where the
line goes.
Z
--
oracle@everywhere: The ephemeral source of the eternal truth...
Tommy
>
> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
> Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
> ill parents in Ottawa.
>
>
> This despite being specifically warned not to do so as posted on the
> net for OSAs attention.
>
> [See <elrond-0212...@cgowave-44-45.cgocable.net>
> at Deja News.]
> extended the No Trespassing Notice I gave the Co$ to include my brothers
> be possible to bring charges of Criminal Assault by Trespass.]
>
> My mother answered the door to a man and woman who identified
> themselves as Scientologists and wanted to come in and discuss 'your sons
> religious bigotry'.
> My mother told them to go away and closed the door on them.
> If they had talked their way in it is very likely they would have so
> emotionally outraged my father as cause him physical harm, possibly even
> have hospitalized him. {My father is fighting cancer and is now quite
> frail.}
$cientology "ethics" in action. These vomitous cowards need to be talked
to. I'm so sorry, Gregg. Hopefully they will be sorrier before this is
over.
Tommy
--
'I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys.'
Hubbard, 1967 letter to his wife submitted to the court in the
Armstrong
case, authenticity unchallenged by LRH/CoS lawyers
Tommy
>
> Gregg Hagglund skrev:
> >
> > In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
> > Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
> > ill parents in Ottawa.
>
>
> It can be very difficult to identify a target for a restraining
> order. The CoS? The local org? Then the CCHR will come. And if
> you include the CCHR in the order, the FRL will come. Or any other
> organization invented on the spot for this particular purpose.
> Or "individual scientologists". Or "concerned citizens". They
> can very efficiently defy any restraining order by chameleonting
> as the need arises.
>
> I sincerely can't blame Minton for shooting in the air, particularly
> in a country where he, at some point, could legally shoot at the
> trespassers themselves. Minton, BTW, have you ever considered loading
> a gun with coarse salt? I am told that salt causes very little injury,
> yet is amazingly efficient in making people remember forever where the
> line goes.
A time-honoured way of dealing with trespassers and thieves in Texas.
Zenon, I hereby declare you an honorary Texan! I never found out how
much rock salt stings because I *kept off other people's property*.
Michael Reuss
Keep this off-topic conversation off rec.arts.sf.starwars.misc,
please.
"Roger T." <ro...@indra.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> > Obviously this is not true of all Brits but I've run into quite a few who
>> > seem to have this incredible chip on thier shoudler about having been
>> > relegated to the second tier of powerful nations.
>>
>> And I have seen quite a few Americans who think they are better than
>> everybody else because our nation is strong - usually Americans who have
>> very minimal contributions to this strength.
>I agree with you there. My self-esteem isn't derived from my nationality.
>
>> I've never met a race. I've never met a nation. I've only met people.
>> If you want to think of yourself as the best - act like you're the
>> best. That doesn't mean acting like others are worse, that means acting
>> with class.
>True. When the Brits I know trash the US and Americans with broad
>sweeping strokes I mostly ignore it because it really has zero affect
>on my life. But occasionally I like to point out inaccuracy when I see it.
>Especially when it is supposedly couched in the garb of a valid argument.
>Roger T.
Sincerely,
Rich Handley (Card...@NO-SPAMunix.asb.com)
Deana Marie Holmes
Hagglund) wrote:
> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>ill parents in Ottawa.
mmm. The Reverend Al Buttnor was reported to be in Ottawa last week.
I would like to suggest that he knew this was going on.
Deana Marie Holmes / member of the "Gang of Three" (Rod Keller)
The Few, The Proud, The Banned (2x + 1 ISP on Scientology ban list)
$cientology: Sponsor Windows84: "Where CAN'T you go today?
mir...@xmission.com
Michael Reuss
Tommy
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
>> > Of course I'm not making it up - what do you expect people who get degrees
>> > in philology/linguistics/semantics etc. do for a living ;-)
>>
>> A better question - who pays them to do it?
>
> And, could you say that they are... cunning linguists? (And does that
> make them popular with women?)
Let women decide about this ticklish point.
But in my view, to speak English properly, one has indeed to be a
cunning l. - English is peculiar in that it is one of the few
IndoEuropean languages where the vowel sounds are totally
unpredictable. n most other languages, vowels are pronounced the
same no matter where they occur in a word, or before or after wchi
consonants they occur. In this respect, it has the aspects of a patois.
Paul Pfalzner
Tommy
Zenon Panoussis
Tommy skrev:
>
> > ... Minton, BTW, have you ever considered loading
> > a gun with coarse salt? I am told that salt causes very little injury,
> > yet is amazingly efficient in making people remember forever where the
> > line goes.
>
> A time-honoured way of dealing with trespassers and thieves in Texas.
> Zenon, I hereby declare you an honorary Texan! I never found out how
> much rock salt stings because I *kept off other people's property*.
I'm afraid I cannot accept the honour. First time I ever heard
about salt shots I was 14, in the Greek countryside, having a
nightly celebration on some EXCELLENT water melons with some
friends in a field. I might add that the melon field belonged
to none of us and that the farmer was less asleep than we
thought. Or maybe we were too noisy, whatever.
To be more precise, I didn't hear ABOUT salt shots then. I heard
shots, period. At a pretty close range at that. We were all lucky
enough (or the farmer was kind enough) for none of us to have
anything more to remember than the sound of the shots. This
incident however puts me on the wrong side of the time-honoured
Texan tradition :)
Rev Dennis L Erlich
just hit the speaker!----hehehe
Rev Dennis L Erlich
Dave Bird
>Gregg Hagglund skrev:
>>
>> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>> Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>> ill parents in Ottawa.
>
>It can be very difficult to identify a target for a restraining
>order. The CoS? The local org? Then the CCHR will come. And if
>you include the CCHR in the order, the FRL will come. Or any other
>organization invented on the spot for this particular purpose.
>Or "individual scientologists".
Aim it at "the Church of Scientology and all members, agents,
servants or employees thereof"; and serve it on the ranking
senior person in Canada.
Don't forget that CofS is held liable for all the actions of
its individual members and fronts in Canada.
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Gregg Hagglund
>Gregg Hagglund wrote:
>>
>> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>> Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>> ill parents in Ottawa.
>>
>> This occured last week (first week of Feb/99).
>>
>> This despite being specifically warned not to do so as posted on the
>> net for OSAs attention.
>>
>> [See <elrond-0212...@cgowave-44-45.cgocable.net>
>> at Deja News.]
>> My parents are in their 80s and not in the best of health. I had
>> extended the No Trespassing Notice I gave the Co$ to include my brothers
>> home (which the Co$ had visited once before) and my parents home. [It may
>> be possible to bring charges of Criminal Assault by Trespass.]
>>
>> My mother answered the door to a man and woman who identified
>> themselves as Scientologists and wanted to come in and discuss 'your sons
>> religious bigotry'.
>> My mother told them to go away and closed the door on them.
>> If they had talked their way in it is very likely they would have so
>> emotionally outraged my father as cause him physical harm, possibly even
>> have hospitalized him. {My father is fighting cancer and is now quite
>> frail.}
>
>
>$cientology "ethics" in action. These vomitous cowards need to be talked
>to. I'm so sorry, Gregg. Hopefully they will be sorrier before this is
>over.
>
> Tommy
Oh my yes are they going to be sorry. Especially Mr Buttnor.
Watch and wait.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
Best,
Gregg Hagglund
(Michael Reuss) wrote:
>
>Disgusting, but not the least bit surprising, when you consider that one
>of Hubbardspew's most sacred teachings calls for them to destroy the
>enemies who threaten to bring bad publicity down upon them. And if they
>have to hurt the parents of an enemy in the process, they clearly will.
>
>What really ticks me off is that the same fucking bastards who pull this
>kind of shit simultaneously claim that they're more ethical as a result
>of their training (nee brainwashing) from $cientology.
>
>Give your parents our best, Gregg. If you think it appropriate and if it
>would not upset them, please explain to them that many people are
>working and speaking out, in order to undermine the workings of the
>nasty cult that brainwashed those stupid, cheeky, unethical bastards who
>came to their door. Tell them that if we succeed, soon no one will ever
>again come to their door or anyone's door, pretending to be religious,
>while at the same time they are conniving and manipulating and trying to
>drive a wedge between them and their loved ones.
>
>Apparently the stupid idiots who run the Co$ and the OSA have not
>learned a single thing during the last few years of having these
>bullshit misdeeds exposed in exactly this way on the Internet.
>
>And that, to me, is the definition of stupid.
>--
>Michael Reuss
Oh my but this act was stupid, stupid, stupid.
Watch and wait.
Gregg Hagglund
>Gregg Hagglund skrev:
>>
>> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>> Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>> ill parents in Ottawa.
>
>> It will be necessary to obtain an Restraining Order if this continues.
>
>It can be very difficult to identify a target for a restraining
>order. The CoS? The local org? Then the CCHR will come. And if
>you include the CCHR in the order, the FRL will come. Or any other
>organization invented on the spot for this particular purpose.
>Or "individual scientologists". Or "concerned citizens". They
>can very efficiently defy any restraining order by chameleonting
>as the need arises.
>
Ah but you forget in Canada the Co$ is a Criminally Convicted Corporation
for Breaches of the Public Trust. And as a result the court ruled any criminal
act benefiting the Co$, commited by a member or agent of the Co$
would be deemed a criminal act of the Co$ itself.
A restraining order would be a lock out of any Co$ member agent
or front group.
>I sincerely can't blame Minton for shooting in the air, particularly
>in a country where he, at some point, could legally shoot at the
>trespassers themselves. Minton, BTW, have you ever considered loading
>a gun with coarse salt? I am told that salt causes very little injury,
>yet is amazingly efficient in making people remember forever where the
>line goes.
>
>Z
Well, shooting his own landscape up may be Bob's style
but it is not mine.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
Zane
Hagglund) wrote:
>In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>ill parents in Ottawa.
What the fuck is the matter with those turds? Get a restraining
order. Can you hire someone with a gun to shoot the fuckers if they
continue to trespass and harass?
Zane - KoX, SP4, Club Nine
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Rev Dennis L Erlich
BTW, I just got back from Britain, and was amazed that they don't consider
themselves to be part of Europe! But, I understand your point, anyhow.
Robert Williams wrote:
> msniner wrote in message <79r8gj$htf$1...@vnetnews.value.net>...
> >
> >Unlike France and Italy just to name a few our friends in the UK have
> >supported us in the Gulf war and in this latest fiasco with Saddam.
> That's
> >the bottom line.
> >
>
> Personally i think it is much better for britain to keep in with the USA,
> than Europe, due to the fact that:
>
> 1)We have more in common, and speak the same language.
>
> 2)I, and quite a few people, don't like central europeans, and the way they
> run things.
>
> 3)Bot the uu(the UK), and the US have the stomach for a fight, and the
> conviction to take action, european nations who could, such as france, italy
> and germany, don't.
>
> Rob
>
> >
> > b 1 <czuns...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> >news:79isdj$mib$1...@juliana.sprynet.com...
> >>
> >
> >
Rev Dennis L Erlich
Rev Dennis L Erlich
military ships or small military convoys.
Against a large caarier battle group with all the accompanying supprt
ships and aircraft, U-boats were ineffective. They could make a single
shot but that would not sink a carrier. Then if the convoy had multiple
carriers the u-boat would be hunted down by air assets and sunk.
Anti-Sub warfare was developed fairly quickly to protect the carriers.
To this day anti-sub technology makes sub attacks on Carrier
groups highly ineffective. In fact neither Soviet nor NATO stretegy relies
on subs to attack surface assets. Sub warfare is a game betwen subs.
Attack subs hunting Boomers while looking out for opposing attack subs
protecting the Boomers. All of them do all they can to avoid being
detected by surface assets, which can hunt and kill subs very easily once
they acquire them
> >The original point remains. The US involvement was the deciding factor in
> >WW2.
>
> Your argumnets (and most arguments in this thread) are faulty. You have
> ignored the fact that if germany could and did conquer britain they
> effectively control the western atlantic. With their allies in south america
> and affrica they also control the south atlantic and the mediterranean. You
Incorrect. In taking Britain the Germans would have sustained enough
losses that they would never have been able to hold all of Europe's
coastline much less all of the Eastern half of the Atlantic.
> have lsot the long range costal-command reconnaissance aircraft spotting
> u-boats out of british airfields,
They would have moved u-boat hunting to carrier bases.
if britain is conquered before 1941 you
> have lsot your major source of signal intelligence (enigma) so can't tell
> where the german navy is sending their boats. And not all of the 100
> aircraft carriers could be used in the atlantic.
They woulnd't have had to use all in the Atlantic. THough the war would
have been longer by several years, no matter whether BRitain stood or
fell the Americans would have eventually defeated Germany.
Roger T.
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>
>
>Gregg Hagglund skrev:
>> It will be necessary to obtain an Restraining Order if this continues.
>
>It can be very difficult to identify a target for a restraining
>order. The CoS? The local org? Then the CCHR will come. And if
>you include the CCHR in the order, the FRL will come. Or any other
>organization invented on the spot for this particular purpose.
>Or "individual scientologists". Or "concerned citizens". They
>can very efficiently defy any restraining order by chameleonting
>as the need arises.
>
Yes, this is how I see it. Also there is simply the "religious"
argument, they can claim they are simply following their Sacred
Scriptures.
Ted Mayett
>snacks). Come out of the airport part towards the train station part and go
>to the right, almost all the way down. It's a full-size, normal-price
>supermarket with all sorts of Dutch goodies you can't find anywhere else.
>
>miguel
>--
Hmmm...this layover might not be so bad after all ;-) Of course, I will
probably spend the $50 that I saved by landing there to being with.......
Ted Mayett
news:e0BnbEAy...@m3-motorsport.demon.co.uk...
>In article <79fd07$2iq$1...@yama.mcc.ac.uk>, A M <a...@interakt.demon.co.uk>
>writes
>>What *I* meant was stores that haven't made it to Manchester City Center
>>yet, for example the american chains moving into the UK (particularly the
>>GAP brand (Baby Gap, Gap Kids) e.t.c).
>
>That must be a UFO that moves around St. Annes Square then, not the GAP?
I have no idea, but all I remember was a single GAP store in St Annes
Square.
Alan
Ted Mayett
Ted Mayett
problem.
JayMagic
Martin Hunt
elr...@cgo.wave.ca (Gregg Hagglund) wrote:
> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>ill parents in Ottawa.
Sick cult.
Gregg, did you know Scientology's Al Buttnor is giving a talk
about his cult in Alberta soon? I wish you could attend, and
confront him with what he and his cult are doing to you and
your family.
You're right; this is just a way to get to you, to shut you up.
The same strategy was tried on me, when Scientologists phoned
my elderly parents, in their 80's now, shortly after the abusive
Erlich raid.
A short essay should be written for families of critics, something
that could inform them of what to expect if they have a family
member who's an outspoken critic of the cult, and with a few
warnings about bank statements, what's thrown out in the trash,
talking to strange people about their activist family member,
etc. One person had some advice on how to make your phone more
secure by getting a password put on your account so that your
records can't be dug up by PIs using your identity. Examples of
familial abuse could cite harassment levelled at the families of
Grady, Minton, Gregg, and others. Scientology probably has a
knack of going after the weakest link, too; the elderly seem to
be a favorite target of this sort of abuse.
Will Scientology be given tax exempt status to continue to abuse
the elderly in Canada on our nickel?
--
Cogito, ergo sum. Just the FAQs: http://scientologysucks.lron.com
"...you are replying to an off-topic forged message that was posted
by a 'bot. The person whose name appears in the From: header of that
message almost certainly did not post it. Many regulars on a.r.s.,
including me, have been victims of these forgeries.
This appears to be a CoS plot to discredit critics by associating us
with racist and pro-Nazi statements that we did not in fact make."
- Ron Newman
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> wg...@loop.com skrev:
> > Perhaps it is time that your parents found out what you do.
> So THAT is what your goons were there for: to smear Gregg and
> Chris to Gregg's parents. We all assumed as much, but it's good
> to have an official confirmation of it. Thank you wgert.
wgert has a tendency to get so full of himself that he ~slips~
like that a lot.
Beverly
wg...@loop.com
Hagglund) wrote:
>In article <36C18B...@xs.net>, Tommy_sp...@xs.net wrote:
>
>>Gregg Hagglund wrote:
>>>
>>> In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>>> Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>>> ill parents in Ottawa.
>>>
>>> This occured last week (first week of Feb/99).
>>>
>>> This despite being specifically warned not to do so as posted on the
>>> net for OSAs attention.
>>>
>>> [See <elrond-0212...@cgowave-44-45.cgocable.net>
>>> at Deja News.]
>>> My parents are in their 80s and not in the best of health. I had
>>> extended the No Trespassing Notice I gave the Co$ to include my brothers
>>> home (which the Co$ had visited once before) and my parents home. [It may
>>> be possible to bring charges of Criminal Assault by Trespass.]
>>>
>>> My mother answered the door to a man and woman who identified
>>> themselves as Scientologists and wanted to come in and discuss 'your sons
>>> religious bigotry'.
>>> My mother told them to go away and closed the door on them.
>>> If they had talked their way in it is very likely they would have so
>>> emotionally outraged my father as cause him physical harm, possibly even
>>> have hospitalized him. {My father is fighting cancer and is now quite
>>> frail.}
>>
>>
>>$cientology "ethics" in action. These vomitous cowards need to be talked
>>to. I'm so sorry, Gregg. Hopefully they will be sorrier before this is
>>over.
>>
>> Tommy
>
> Oh my yes are they going to be sorry. Especially Mr Buttnor.
> Watch and wait.
> The pen is mightier than the sword.
>
>Best,
> Gregg Hagglund SP5
> Rendered Net Invisible to Participating Victims of Co$ by Co$.
>Toronto Picket Reports now at:
><http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8412/>
Quit lying.
How many parents did Chris upset with his drug dealings?
Perhaps it is time that your parents found out what you do.
wgert
Zenon Panoussis
wg...@loop.com skrev:
>
> Quit lying.
>
> How many parents did Chris upset with his drug dealings?
>
> Perhaps it is time that your parents found out what you do.
So THAT is what your goons were there for: to smear Gregg and
Chris to Gregg's parents. We all assumed as much, but it's good
to have an official confirmation of it. Thank you wgert.
Z
Captain Nerd
Hash: SHA1
>
> Quit lying.
>
> How many parents did Chris upset with his drug dealings?
Who cares, if it means you can harrass and kill another
old couple? What do you need a reason for, when you want
to intimidate a sick old man to death? Why, after all,
you're "the most ethical" organization, aren't you?
> Perhaps it is time that your parents found out what you do.
What does it matter what Gregg (note the name) did or didn't
do, since you're going to harrass his parents into their
graves, anyway? Just make up some crap, parade around their
house at all hours, and harangue them mercilessly, until you
kill them.
Then you can post your gloating bullshit about how Gregg
and his family "pulled it in" on themselves.
Clap-ridden bile-suckers. Siphylitic eaters of your own
dung. Scientologists.
> wgert
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Gregg Hagglund
This is not alt.Chris may have been a dumb kid ology.
That said let us make clear to all what *you*, OSA filth,
damn well know as the facts in this matter:
>Quit lying.
Gee Wgert, just how *is* your job as a SysAdmin at Supernews?
>
>How many parents did Chris upset with his drug dealings?
None that I am aware of as there is no proof yet submitted
or examined in a court of law my son was dealing in drugs.
>
>Perhaps it is time that your parents found out what you do.
Ah! But my parents *do* know what I do and what their
grandson is alledged to have done. We do not keep secrets and
we do not sever ties or 'disconnect' over controversies,
differences of opinion or of Faith.
Do *your* parents know you lie to the world on this NG
as your job description or 'hat' requires?
>
>wgert
My parents are frightened Scientology is going to physically hurt me.
I have tried to reassure them this would be extraordinary, not impossible,
but unlikely. Scientology usually only physically injures its own members.
However, I have warned them Scientology is adept at inflicting mental,
emotional, social and economic harm upon those it arrogantly decides
may not voice their opinions or relay facts. Scientology inflicts those
punishments
if those opinions given are contrary to what *Scientology* defines as allowable
and those facts relayed are embarassing for *Scientology* to have
generally known.
I see absolutely nothing wrong in pointing out these facts:
Scientology does not tell the truth;
Scientology management engages in unethical
and sometimes illegal activities;
Some of the practices of Scientology are potentially
harmful, even deadly;
The founder of Scientology did not tell the truth
about himself, his record, or his education;
and Scientology has *never* provided *any* evidence
that *any* of its technology works.
Now, Wgert, what is wrong with pointing out those *facts*?
Working on my SP9,
Tommy
>
> How many parents did Chris upset with his drug dealings?
>
>
Yours will find out what *you* do when the news cameras film you coming
out of the org with handcuffs on and your jacket over your head. And
I'll tape it and pass it around.
Tommy
--
L.Ron Hubbard on trying to get $cientology declared a religion for tax
purposes:
"I await your reaction on the religion angle. In my opinion,
we couldn't get worse public opinion than we have had or have less
customers with what we've got to sell. A religious charter would be
necessary in Pennsylvania or NJ to make it stick. But I sure could
make it stick."
Best Regards,
Ron
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Fredric L. Rice
wrote:
>> My parents are in their 80s and not in the best of health. I had
>> extended the No Trespassing Notice I gave the Co$ to include my brothers
>> home (which the Co$ had visited once before) and my parents home. [It may
>> be possible to bring charges of Criminal Assault by Trespass.]
>$cientology "ethics" in action. These vomitous cowards need to be talked
>to. I'm so sorry, Gregg. Hopefully they will be sorrier before this is
>over.
Hopeully he parents have a camera on hand the next time so that
some photographs of these perps can be taken and distributed.
Fredric L. Rice
>How many parents did Chris upset with his drug dealings?
Arn't you worried that a warrant to divulge your identity will
result in a great many civil cases against you? If you would
like to claim you're not, give me your name, please.
Unless Scientology makes people scared and impotant, of
course. If Scientology makes the able more able and teaches
people how to know, you'll give me your real name, won't you?
Well?
Fredric L. Rice
wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:57:27 -0500, elr...@cgo.wave.ca (Gregg
>Hagglund) wrote:
>
>>In a despicable and incomprehensibly cruel move the
>>Co$ sent two 'parishoners' to upset my elderly, frail and
>>ill parents in Ottawa.
>
>What the fuck is the matter with those turds? Get a restraining
>order. Can you hire someone with a gun to shoot the fuckers if they
>continue to trespass and harass?
I don't know about Canadian laws but I believe that firearms are
controlled rationally and sanely -- unlike here in the United States.
In California one may use deadly force to counter deadly force.
The cult followers would have to perform some potentially fatal
action or would have to inform the parents that their intention is
to kill them before -- in California, any way -- deadly force may be
used.
In many States of the United States, if a stranger is in one's house
one is automatically considered to be experiencing deadly force.
Canada has much saner laws.
It would be best to photogrph the criminals and disseminate their
photograph around the neighborhood and suggest that if they're
seen in the area people should alert th police that there are
terrorists in the area.
Sifl
Somewhere out there a Hubbard book may exist extolling the virtues of
same. Can I get one? <g>
barb
--
What is the difference between Scientology and Microsoft?
One is an evil organization focused on taking over the world, and the
other was started by L. Ron Hubbard.
Sifl
available. Just run the stupid thing 24 hours a day pointed at the front
door, just like a quickie mart.
Be sure to say, "Thank you, don't come again!"
Sifl
>
>my daughter plays violin, played in the top 3 chairs all through school,
>participated in an city-wide youth symphone for 4 years, my son plays saxophone
>and is first chair, i played flute in high school, was first chair, and my
>husband played cello and cornet for awhile but other interests won out. he
>still remember ed enough that he was able to give our daughter her initial
>lessons on her violin.
>forthgb in springfield oregon
Well, since we're bragging... ;) my son plays the trumpet and was selected to
participate in the County Junior HS Honor Band. I showed him all my old county
and state honor band records the other day and he seemed proud to be following
in my footsteps.
Sifl
>From: for...@aol.com (Forthgb)
>Date: 2/18/99 12:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <19990218123549...@ng18.aol.com>
>
>my daughter plays violin, played in the top 3 chairs all through school,
>participated in an city-wide youth symphone for 4 years, my son plays
>saxophone
>and is first chair, i played flute in high school, was first chair, and my
>husband played cello and cornet for awhile but other interests won out. he
>still remember ed enough that he was able to give our daughter her initial
>lessons on her violin.
>forthgb in springfield oregon
usually lovable son? ;-)
P in pink
http://216.32.197.23/phill/
Try my website, it ain't hardly pink either Hilly.
Sifl
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Sifl
>Auburn looked sluggish much of the game. Vandy came to
>play and took the game to Auburn, they slowed down Auburn's
>pace and broke their press often. Auburn shot poorly in
>the first half but managed to lead by 8 points at the break.
>
>The second half started like the first, sluggish Tigers,
>hustling Vanderbilt. Then slowly Auburn picked up the pace
>and ground down the Commodores. Not a work of beauty, but I'll
>take it.
>
Auburn wins the game by 18 and I felt like they blew it. I think I'm
getting spoiled by this team - I mean, when they don't beat a team by 25+,
it feels like they lost the game.
Sifl
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>and finally decided to post! I'm very new to cooking things that
>didn't come out of a can and microwave and I'm sure I'll have some
>questions....I hope no one minds. Can anyone tell me what "savory"
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>
>Thanks for any help!
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sense now....
Mike
simon wrote in message ...
>Well...they are wrong. Deon makes something like 7 million a year...
>Carter makes less than that.
>
>
>Mike Sindona wrote in message ...
>>Really? ESPN reported that Carter is now the highest paid CB in the
NFL...
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>simon wrote in message ...
>>>Deon Sanders makes more money than Carter will...
>
>
>
Sifl
says...
>
>
>
>Jamie Schrumpf wrote:
>
>> In article <1dnda47.z9...@max67.public.ox.ac.uk>,
>> manc...@sable.ox.ac.uk says...
>> >
>> >Jamie Schrumpf <hatt...@NOSPAM.fred.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Actually, I believe it was Great Britain that demonstrated to the world
>> >> how far a country could push cultural and economic imperialism.
>
>And by proxy were still at it! Would most of the world speak English if the
>Americans didn't?
>
>> >Britain did not invent Coca-Cola, McDonald's or Hollywood.
>
>> Did the Chinese smoke opium before the Brits?
>
>Er, yes. Supply and demand, ins't that the American mantra?
Nope. Read your history. The Chinese government tried to stop the importation
of opium into China, which led to -- among other things -- the so-called "Boxer
Rebellion."
Sure there was supply and demand -- after the cheap opium the Brits brought
into the country had addicted enough folks.
Imagine Columbia sending troops into the US to stop the DEA's efforts to
eliminate cocaine imports, and you have the general idea of Britain's dealings
with the Chinese at that time.
>
>> I don't recall McDonalds calling the Big Mac Special Sauce made in Paris
"the
>> jewel in the crown."
>
>Very culturally sensitive that was. Thanks very much.
Come to grips with your history and don't take it so personally.
>
>> >> Or was it something else that the sun never set on?
>> >
>> >Britain's empire was a demonstration of _political_ imperialism, which,
>> >though successful, was never as successful as America's cultural and
>> >economic imperialism has been.
>>
>> I think if the local governments told McDonalds and Coke to leave, they
would
>> do so. Unlike the British Empire in the good old days.
>
>You must be joking. A local council deny MaccyDees planning permission! It
costs so
>much money to fight through all the appeals that councils usually cave in an
save
>the tax payers money for providing useful things like health care, emptying
the
>bins and repairing roads. See, economic imperialism.
Funny, the local planning commission (New Market, Maryland, population about
2000) put McDonald's through hoops of fire before they let them open a store
near town -- and then they wouldn't let them put it where they wanted to.
>
>What about the Banana wars. Chiquita (through the US government) is basically
>holding Scottish Cashmere Sweater (and other) producers to ransom. No, its not
good
>enough for Europeans to buy any old banana, they have to be American bananas.
The US doesn't grow bananas. What are you talking about?
>
>> Remember "Zulu"?
>
>Yeh, top film, "Dont throw those bloody spears at me!". Shame its all about
the
>glorification of a defeat (stupid Victorians, fucking every thing up again).
Well, nobody glorifies defeat like the Brits. "The Charge of the Light
Brigade." Dunkirk. Gallipoli. The list goes on and on.
--
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Sifl
(Scott Wilson) wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:49:19 GMT, mjp...@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Matt
> Pearce) wrote:
>
> >.....She already has my cards in her purse.
>
> This woman will never leave you, unless your credit limit doesn't rise
> faster than inflation.
>
> I hope that's a good thing.
It isn't. PLEASE listen to what I am saying.
Divorced and bankrupt,
--
Clark Moore
Florida State University
zb...@fpev.sfh.rqh
Rot-13 to email.
Sifl
Sifl
+
+
+ Theodore M. Smith wrote:
+
+ > Two OSU players were arrested for forcible entry to an
+ > apartment where they apparently were chasing several persons who
+ > insulted them. Police said all participants were intoxicated. The
+ > players involved were DT Toalei Talataina and DE Inoke Breckterfield.
+ > This is the second incident within a year for Breckterfield, who had
+ > been cited for an incident in a bar with a police officer earlier.
+ >
+ > Respectfully yours,
+ >
+ > Ted Smith
+ > Denver, Colorado
+ >
+ > Where we always
+ > walk a mile high.
+
+ Is Inoke still a member of the football team even though he has already
+ played his senior season?
OSU is doing a CU!
Sifl
jdemp...@hotmail.com wrote:
> How do you think UT in 98 stacks up against some of the other
> great teams in college football? I think we match up very
> well with teams like Nebraska in 1994 and 1995,
<snip>
> What do you think?
>
> Jack
>
I think you're either stoned or a great fishman. Tre couldn't hold
Tommie's jock.
Sifl
teds...@dimensional.com says...
> On 15 Feb 1999 18:59:28 GMT, rbuc...@unlinfo.unl.edu (roger buchholz)
> wrote:
>
> >It looks as though Ted has gone on one of the worst Nebraska induced
> >obsession bouts I've ever seen.
> >
> "In Nebraska, a hog farted."
>
and the difference is?
HA! Trick question
Doug
Lisa Chabot
>Have you noticed how wgert seems to be obsessed by drugs and sex?
>Somewhere out there a Hubbard book may exist extolling the virtues of
>same. Can I get one? <g>
Yes, but notice he's mostly obsessed with out-2D sex. Therefore, may
standard Scientology books will do--for example the Scientology
Handbook, or Dianetics. Out-2D sex and drugs are no-nos, therefore
highly titillating! And all this is right there on their web pages!
Whoopee!
.
.
.
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Sifl
>> Atomic weaponry developed by ....... Oppenheimer. I think there's a
>> touch of irony there, somewhere.
>
>That's the American way. Take stuff other people invented and then use
>it to kill them. All part of the master plan . . .
Hey, it works for Microsoft...
--Dan The Man.
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"We believe in nothing."
roger gonnet
Zenon Panoussis wrote:
>
> wg...@loop.com skrev:
> >
>
> > Quit lying.
> >
> > How many parents did Chris upset with his drug dealings?
> >
> > Perhaps it is time that your parents found out what you do.
>
> So THAT is what your goons were there for: to smear Gregg and
> Chris to Gregg's parents. We all assumed as much, but it's good
> to have an official confirmation of it. Thank you wgert.
Not to mention that Ron Junior allegated publicly that his own father
the Great Great Man-God, was using drugs, and would not have seen any
inconvenient to make money from that. That he died from several abuses.
That he was a criminal from 1947 to 1986, more than half his lifespan,
and was a liar and hateful polygamist and frauder the rest of this life.
roger
barb
available. Just run the stupid thing 24 hours a day pointed at the front
door, just like a quickie mart.
Be sure to say, "Thank you, don't come again!"
barb
--
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barb
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