How does the Sub fit in Dodo?
Paul Barrie
Mark Rae
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> What is the message of Dodo, and where does the sub fit?
This is possibly the second most frequently asked "real" G question on this
newsgroup, second only to "Is In The Air Tonight about Phil's divorce, a
murder etc...?"
Anyway, one of the "accepted" theories on this is as follows (though the
riddle in actually in Lurker, not Dodo)...
"Clothes of brass":
Brass is very common in the nautical world because of its resistence to
corrosion.
"Hair of brown":
When submarines come to the surface, they are covered with all sorts of
seaweed.
"Seldom need to breathe":
Submarines can stay under water for long periods.
"Don't need no wings to fly":
Submarines fly through the ocean without wings.
"And a heart of stone":
Uranium, the stone that powers the submarine's nuclear reactor.
"And a fear of fire and water":
The two worst enemies of a submarine. Water means a hull breach, and
everyone drowns. Fire means all the oxygen aboard burns and everyone
suffocates.
Jim Gardner
Mark Rae <Mar...@CompuServe.com> wrote in message
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Michael Poloukhine
> What is the message of Dodo, and where does the sub fit?
It's actually the "Lurker" riddle, and as far as I am concerned, the
answer is "a submarine". Scott's Discography (
http://cyberreviews.skwc.com/genesis.html ) covers the connections
rather well. I would add to Scott's synopsis a few points of my own we
discussed at the time. For me, most notably was the lyrics of "Dodo"
and their allusion to extinction of a species by virtue of its own
faults. Mankind's "lurking" potential for self destruction through
nuclear obliteration via well-armed stealthy submarines to me made the
connection even stronger. (although not nearly as strong as the musical
link between the end of "Lurker" and the beginning of "Submarine" (Man
on the Corner b-side)) Also, brass can be seen as the "dressing"
(clothes) in as much that the submarine is made primarily of steel, but
fitted out (dressed) in brass. To me, the weakest link is "hair of
brown" being seaweed on the sub upon surfacing. Maybe there's more
seaweed in Britain than here in the US?
Anyway, per Scott's "The Genesis Discography":
"Lurker
The answer to the Lurker riddle:
Meanwhile, lurking by a stone in the mud, two eyes looked to see what I
was. Then, something spoke and this is what it said to me:
Clothes of brass and hair of brown
Seldom need to breathe
Don't need no wings to fly
Ooh and a heart of stone
And a fear of fire and water
… who am I?
Is so utterly obvious and has been right in front of people that for
years no one has “gotten” it. This riddle has perplexed Genesis fans,
and it has stumped me for years. In fact, it is hard to realize that
it's a riddle at all. Americans tend to use the word "riddle"
synonymously with "joke", and think riddles have some sort of humorous
point. True riddles of the sort Lurker is are almost unheard of in
America. True riddles are more brain teasers than jokes, and are not
usually funny. They’re more clever. The most accessible look at true
British riddles I can think of is chapter 5 of Tolkien’s The Hobbit,
Riddles In The Dark. Many classic riddles appear, such as “A box without
hinges, key, or lid, yet golden treasure inside is hid.”
This Lurker lyric has, for a long time, confounded Genesis fans. Phil
Collins, when asked during an interview, said the person to ask was Tony
Banks, who presumably wrote the lyric. The question was asked of Banks.
Producer and sound man Nick Davis himself asked Tony Banks when Bill
Brink slipped the question in among a lot of questions about an upcoming
solo album, and Banks would not even tell Davis!
Not being a riddle expert, I was quite stumped. I tried to find some
sources for riddles, in case this was an obvious 'classic" riddle, but
with no luck. People made various guesses over the years, none of which
could satisfy all the parts of the riddle. The fact that the answer was
so elusive got me to thinking that it was probably so obvious that I was
staring it in the face and not seeing it. Why would Banks create a
riddle and leave no clues? I began to convince myself it had to be
something closely associated with Abacab itself, probably another song,
but didn't know which. It simmered in the back of my mind until Michael
Poloukhine started talking to me about the Lurker riddle. Then, after
discussing it, we became absolutely sure we'd solved it.
The answer?
I am a submarine.
All the clues are there.
I would bet the "two eyes looking to see what I was" refers to a stereo
periscope.
"Clothes of brass": Brass is a staple of the nautical world, for its
resistence to corrosion. The use of the word conjures up more "2000
Leagues Under The Sea" images than those of a nuclear powered submarine,
but nevertheless the association of brass with the sea is inescapable.
"Hair of brown": When submarines surface, they have all sorts of
seaweeds and camouflage on the deck that is exposed to the sky.
"Seldom need to breathe": Submarines carry their own air supply, and do
not often need to resurface.
"Don't need no wings to fly": Of course not, it "flies" through the
ocean.
"And a heart of stone": Uranium, the stone that powers the nuclear
reactor.
"And a fear of fire and water": The two most deadliest things that can
happen to a submarine. Water means a hull breach, and pressure loss, and
everyone dies. Fire means all the oxygen aboard burns and everyone dies.
The final proof that the answer to the riddle is, truly, a submarine
lies in the music. The working titles for Dodo and Lurker were German I
and II. As in German U-boats, because the music itself doesn't sound
Germanic. If you listen to Dodo, Lurker, and Submarine back to back,
you will find that Lurker has some of the exact same drum lines, and
Lurker ends on the same music that Submarine begins. Like the suites of
thematically related music in A Trick Of The Tail and Wind and
Wuthering, this is yet another case of Genesis splicing and dicing a
long track of related music into separate parts scattered all over the
place.
Ironically for me, the editor, the ink didn’t dry on that entry before I
found this in the Ostrich FAQ!
As for the Lurker riddle, this is taken from the October 1997 edition of
Record Collector:
Tony: It's very interesting this, because we're now in 1997, and I wrote
the lyric to that in '82. You may say there's been a lot of discussion
about what the riddle is, but I've never actually been asked that
question in an interview. Because no one asked me it all fell a bit
flat! Now all these years on, I'm afraid to say really that there is no
real solution. You can search for your own one if you like. It was a bit
of a joke. When I was writing it I honestly didn't really have a
specific idea in mind. If you can find out what the answer is, perhaps
you can tell me!
Well, Tony, there you go, we found an answer for you!"
Works for me.
--
Michael Poloukhine
po...@genesis.www-hosting.net
http://genesis.www-hosting.net/~polo/collection.htm
Gary Best
Gardner <jgar...@pacbell.net> writes
>What utter BS.
>
Apart from being completely correct that is?
So come on, what does it mean then if not a Submarine?
I'll just add the fact that the piece of music originally went
Namanianu/Dodo/Lurker/Submarine, and there is a tape (somewhere) out
there with the original segue from Lurker into Submarine.
And in case someone doesn't know - Naminanu and Submarine were both b
sides from the Abacab album.
Gary (annoying as ever)
--
I think I'm apathetic,
but I can't be bothered to find out
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Lee
>What utter BS.
Hmm, I thought that was one of the most logical and straightforward posts in a
long time. Even if Tony wasn't thinking Submarine, it works darn well.
Lee
Paul Barrie
but some of you didn't get the jist of my question....................
I know why many people think it's a sub.
My question is: What is the song Dodo about, and why the heck would
Tony write a lyric about a sub in it? I don't want the answer to the
riddle, just an interpretation of how it fits. I got some ideas from
Michael Poloukhine's post, but need some elaboration........
Michael Poloukhine
My take on Dodo is this:
Given the historical context of when it was written (early eighties, cold
war, nucelar proliferation, etc.) I see it as a critical statement against
mankind (the species) failure to harmonize with himself and life around
him and his (at the time) seemingly un-stoppable quest for
self-destruction.
The Dodo, the classic symbol of Darwinian slection in action, died off as
a result of it's own physical failures. "Too big too fly, dodo ugly so
dodo must die." Other references, to the Mink for instance, imply the
potential for extinction due to mankind's intervention, in this case,
"Mink he pretty, so mink he must die.." (die if you're ugly, die if you're
pretty!)
Most importantly, almost every verse ends with a reference to "back in the
sea" or else to the ocean. The first one to do so starts with "Sun he
giving life in his light, part of the system" with an ending verse of "and
end up at the bottom of the sea" speaks of the ecosystem, but more so
(IMO) of the origins of life on this planet.
"Vacuum coming for the bright and the brute." followed by "Big noise,
black smoke/ So pig headed couldn't see the joke" is, if you ask me, a
direct reference to mankind's pigheadedness, and the (at the time) much
expected nuclear armageddon... "Its only living, it don't matter at
all.."
Then there's the pimp. He's got an answer: a dream of love as "Deep as the
ocean", but "will the siren team with Davy Jones (two sailors' mythical
nemeses), and trap him at the bottom of the sea." Will love be trapped
and not allowed to "evolve" from the bottom of the sea along with all the
rest of life? Will we die out as did the Dodo? Will we kill off all of
the rest of life before we kill off ourselves too? Or will we learn to
love life?
The submarine, thus is "at the bottom of the sea" (along with the Davy
Jones, only alive, and along with that "love") as the symbol of that
"lurking" threat of self-destruction. The sub has a choice: stay there and
launch the missiles or surface and "evolve". It's as if there is a battle
going on under the sea (love and hate), which we can't see, (symbolized by
the submarine) but the outcome of which will determine the fate of
mankind.
To me, the answer is of course, love prevails... the song "Submarine" is a
somewhat melancholy instrumental, but ends on a decidedely up-beat, major
key. As if the submarine surfaces to a bright sunny ocean, opens it's
hatch and calls it a day.
Of course, I could be totally wrong too.. :-)
Paul Barrie wrote:
--
Michael Poloukhine
Kevin" thing!
PS: How 'bout setting up your own "identity" for NG posting? Depending on
your e-mail/browser software, it should be fairly simple to do.
Paul Barrie
Michael Poloukhine wrote:
> Sorry, "Kevin"... you'd think by now I'd have gottne used to that "Paul is
> Kevin" thing!
>
>
Ok, bud - I understand. And, well, Paul "isn't" Kevin either.....I'm sure
you know that :)
> PS: How 'bout setting up your own "identity" for NG posting? Depending on
> your e-mail/browser software, it should be fairly simple to do.
>
>
I would love too - just don't know how.... I have a netscape browser, and net
messenger (I think). I've posted on here with a couple of other Identities
from Remark, but that's a pain to use and read......
Paul Barrie
lot! :)
Kevin
Michael Poloukhine wrote:
Polecat
afternoon"? Such diversity!
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Michael Poloukhine <po...@genesis.www-hosting.net> wrote in message
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Justin
news:398988E0...@genesis.www-hosting.net...
> Ok, Paul... I accept your challenge.
>
> My take on Dodo is this:
<snip: brilliant interpretation of "Dodo">
So, may I dare ask... where does "Naminanu" fit into all of this?
;)
Squonky76
<ga...@congo.demon.co.uk> schreibt:
>I'll just add the fact that the piece of music originally went
>Namanianu/Dodo/Lurker/Submarine,
Where did you get this info?
>and there is a tape (somewhere) out
>there with the original segue from Lurker into Submarine.
is this tape an original demo tape, or just a kind of remix made later by
somone else
>
>Gary (annoying as ever)
"allways look on the bright side of life" ;-)
Sven
Gary Best
<squo...@aol.com> writes
>Im Artikel <Ye9gLEAn...@congo.demon.co.uk>, Gary Best
><ga...@congo.demon.co.uk> schreibt:
>
>>I'll just add the fact that the piece of music originally went
>>Namanianu/Dodo/Lurker/Submarine,
>Where did you get this info?
A good few places, including someone who's got hold of a tape of the
Abacab studio sessions.
That was due to be the running order, but they chopped it for whatever
reason.
>>and there is a tape (somewhere) out
>>there with the original segue from Lurker into Submarine.
>is this tape an original demo tape, or just a kind of remix made later by
>somone else
It's a studio demo/rehearsal tape from the Abacab session. Unfortunately
the guy who has it isn't letting it out to anyone for some reason (Nope,
isn't me who has it).
Cheers
Gary
Michael Poloukhine
I was afraid someone would notice! ;-)
My take on it is this: Naminanu, as far as I can tell by virtue of the
key change between it and the finished version of Dodo/Lurker and the
LACK of such keychange between D/L and Submarine implies that Naminanu
split early on from the suite. It also is difficult to piece back into
the beginning of Dodo without some re-structuring or else deletion of
the entire crescondo of the last 1/3 of the song (which could have come
on to it after the split from Dodo). As such it evolved on its own and
probably never got "wrapped" into the lyrical theme of the other three.
If that doesn't hold up: Naminanu is the thematic evolotionary
beginnings of life before mankind.... (not!)
I would LOVE to hear that studio tape Gary alludes to .. never even knew
it existed. I have my own "version" I have pieced together with
WaveStudio, but the key change into Dodo makes for a tough transition...
Michael Poloukhine
If you are on different computers it's easy, just go to the "edit" menu tab,
select "preferences". In the pop up window, click the "+" sign next to "mail &
newsgroups" to open it up. Select "identity" and then just change what you want.
If you are using the same computer, it gets more complicated. I was dealing with
this not to long ago, and I got this from Netscape newsgroup help:
http://help.netscape.com/nuggies/navigator.html ...assuming your are on a PC:
Rather than 'auto-dial', where clicking on Communicator launches the connection,
you can instead create a batch file for each CONNECTOID.
The file will launch dial up networking (DUN) and then open Communicator with a
specific profile. (Whether or not the DUN 'connect' button is automatically
pressed depends on which DUN version is being used. You may have to click that
button.)
Open Notepad and in a new document type...
@echo off
start /W rundll32.exe rnaui.dll,RnaDial NameoftheCONNECTOID
c:\netscape\program\netscape.exe -P"yourProfileName"
Substitute _your_path to netscape for the above, and use the _exact_name of your
Profile. RETAIN the quotes, just as they are shown. Insert the exact name of
your CONNECTOID where it shows NameoftheCONNECTOID.
If the path to the NETSCAPE.EXE file has spaces, add quotes around it...
"c:\Program Files\Netscape\Navogator\Netscape.exe" -P"yourProfileName"
Name this .bat file as you wish, CONNECT1.BAT for instance.
Create a convenient shortcut to the file, perhaps on the Desktop. Right click
that shortcut and choose PROPERTIES. Click the program tab, choose RUN minimized
and checkmark the 'close on exit' box.
Do this for each CONNECTOID|Profile combo desired.
....good luck!
Paul Barrie wrote:
> Michael Poloukhine wrote:
>
> > Sorry, "Kevin"... you'd think by now I'd have gottne used to that "Paul is
> > Kevin" thing!
> >
> >
>
> Ok, bud - I understand. And, well, Paul "isn't" Kevin either.....I'm sure
> you know that :)
>
> > PS: How 'bout setting up your own "identity" for NG posting? Depending on
> > your e-mail/browser software, it should be fairly simple to do.
> >
> >
>
> I would love too - just don't know how.... I have a netscape browser, and net
> messenger (I think). I've posted on here with a couple of other Identities
> from Remark, but that's a pain to use and read......
>
> > Paul Barrie wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, thanks to all for being gracious enough to give a long response,
> > > but some of you didn't get the jist of my question....................
> > > I know why many people think it's a sub.
> > > My question is: What is the song Dodo about, and why the heck would
> > > Tony write a lyric about a sub in it? I don't want the answer to the
> > > riddle, just an interpretation of how it fits. I got some ideas from
> > > Michael Poloukhine's post, but need some elaboration........
> > >
> > > Paul Barrie wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is the message of Dodo, and where does the sub fit?
> >
bewtifulfreak
user, and then just go to Tools, Account, and add the account info (name,
email address, etc). Mind you, this is Explorer, but methinks there would
be a *much* simpler way to go...... ?
Ann
Michael Poloukhine <po...@genesis.www-hosting.net> wrote in message
news:398A0812...@genesis.www-hosting.net...
Michael Poloukhine
p.i.t.a. when it comes to multiple identities. You'd think they'd have figured
that there are people out there that just CAN'T be weighed down being one
personality. ;-)
I use PegasusMail for mailing, and switching identities is a two click motion of
click to open the drop down list and click on who you wanna be.
Using your ISP IS another way, but then you are still hampered by Netscape when
you sit at one 'puter (or "picuter" as my 3 year old calls it) and try to access
two identities using the same software. Explorer seems to be the best common
program to browse, news and mail if you are going to use more than one identity.
I just can't bring myself to use another tool from the Dark Side.
Kevin Barrie
Michael Poloukhine wrote:
> Ok, Kevin, (Paul's "Dad", right?) off topic here.
>
>
Nope......his wife.....not.....Actually, I'm his son.
Paul Barrie
Michael Poloukhine wrote:
> Ok, Kevin, (Paul's "Dad", right?) off topic here.
>
> If you are on different computers it's easy, just go to the "edit" menu tab,
> select "preferences". In the pop up window, click the "+" sign next to "mail &
> newsgroups" to open it up. Select "identity" and then just change what you want.
>
>
I don't know how I can access my account from another computer....don't think I want
to for the moment, so.........
> If you are using the same computer, it gets more complicated. I was dealing with
> this not to long ago, and I got this from Netscape newsgroup help:
> http://help.netscape.com/nuggies/navigator.html ...assuming your are on a PC:
>
> Rather than 'auto-dial', where clicking on Communicator launches the connection,
> you can instead create a batch file for each CONNECTOID.
>
> The file will launch dial up networking (DUN) and then open Communicator with a
> specific profile. (Whether or not the DUN 'connect' button is automatically
> pressed depends on which DUN version is being used. You may have to click that
> button.)
>
> Open Notepad and in a new document type...
>
> @echo off
> start /W rundll32.exe rnaui.dll,RnaDial NameoftheCONNECTOID
> c:\netscape\program\netscape.exe -P"yourProfileName"
>
> Substitute _your_path to netscape for the above, and use the _exact_name of your
> Profile. RETAIN the quotes, just as they are shown. Insert the exact name of
> your CONNECTOID where it shows NameoftheCONNECTOID.
>
> If the path to the NETSCAPE.EXE file has spaces, add quotes around it...
> "c:\Program Files\Netscape\Navogator\Netscape.exe" -P"yourProfileName"
>
> Name this .bat file as you wish, CONNECT1.BAT for instance.
>
> Create a convenient shortcut to the file, perhaps on the Desktop. Right click
> that shortcut and choose PROPERTIES. Click the program tab, choose RUN minimized
> and checkmark the 'close on exit' box.
>
> Do this for each CONNECTOID|Profile combo desired.
>
> ....good luck!
>
Well, Mike, thanks for the loooong response. I'll Cut and Paste it somewhere so I
can perhaps try.....I first have to understand it first. You know, were getting high
speed interent today, so maybe I can aks the dude what he thinks.......
Paul Barrie
I do the "other computer" thing when I'm writing my own message, and switch it back
when I'm done. You'll see it worked......
Michael Poloukhine wrote:
> Ok, Kevin, (Paul's "Dad", right?) off topic here.
>
> If you are on different computers it's easy, just go to the "edit" menu tab,
> select "preferences". In the pop up window, click the "+" sign next to "mail &
> newsgroups" to open it up. Select "identity" and then just change what you want.
>
> If you are using the same computer, it gets more complicated. I was dealing with
> this not to long ago, and I got this from Netscape newsgroup help:
> http://help.netscape.com/nuggies/navigator.html ...assuming your are on a PC:
>
> Rather than 'auto-dial', where clicking on Communicator launches the connection,
> you can instead create a batch file for each CONNECTOID.
>
> The file will launch dial up networking (DUN) and then open Communicator with a
> specific profile. (Whether or not the DUN 'connect' button is automatically
> pressed depends on which DUN version is being used. You may have to click that
> button.)
>
> Open Notepad and in a new document type...
>
> @echo off
> start /W rundll32.exe rnaui.dll,RnaDial NameoftheCONNECTOID
> c:\netscape\program\netscape.exe -P"yourProfileName"
>
> Substitute _your_path to netscape for the above, and use the _exact_name of your
> Profile. RETAIN the quotes, just as they are shown. Insert the exact name of
> your CONNECTOID where it shows NameoftheCONNECTOID.
>
> If the path to the NETSCAPE.EXE file has spaces, add quotes around it...
> "c:\Program Files\Netscape\Navogator\Netscape.exe" -P"yourProfileName"
>
> Name this .bat file as you wish, CONNECT1.BAT for instance.
>
> Create a convenient shortcut to the file, perhaps on the Desktop. Right click
> that shortcut and choose PROPERTIES. Click the program tab, choose RUN minimized
> and checkmark the 'close on exit' box.
>
> Do this for each CONNECTOID|Profile combo desired.
>
> ....good luck!
>
Doktor Dyper
wrote:
Why dont he just download Agent?
Understand Rael, That's The End Of Your Tail.
- Doktor Dyper
DoktorDyper`s Genesis Emporium
http://www.geocities.com/theraeldoktordyper/
William Elsom
From the word go, I always felt that Dodo started too suddenly, as if
something else should be there before it.
Now whilst I haven't got as far as listening to the end of Naminanu and the
start of Dodo back to back, I think that in some form, Naminanu started the
suite. Gary's posts always refer to N/D/L/S which strikes me as the correct
order.
In the contrasting middle section of Naminanu, the chord sequence, both
rhythmically and harmonically evolve easily into the opening of Dodo by use
of a sequence. (Translation for anyone without knowledge of music theory:
Same or similar pattern, different pitch, usually one step higher or lower.
The opening of Dodo in its current form is another example.)
Interesting debate, anyhow.
Anyone else want to see this version on an archive CD?
Pax
Will
Michael Poloukhine
Netscape because there's another user involved (namely the one who's account he's
sharing) who probably is using Netscape for a reason ... but yeah, easiest is to
switch...
Michael Poloukhine
an idea of the exact beat on which (I am sure) it originally connected.
Problem is, that beat is VERY common throughout all of Naminanu... early on and
even at the very end, so it could have been anywhere. The two tracks have been
refined too far to make the exact connection that could be made with Lurker -
Submarine.
As for the Archive set... yeah, I'd be pretty ticked if it doesn't have SOME
sort of studio jam session from 1976 through 1996 ... I mean SH*T that's 20
years of studio work, and all we get are a pile of tracks we've already heard a
million times, [and can get on any pirated CD ;-P* ] plus live tracks which,
... ok would be nice to hear, but not really to die for. Why don't they have
the "Ababcab" jam session, or "Duke suite" in its early form, or ATOTT before
it was sliced and diced? What other tape treasures are lying around in Tony's
attic? THAT"S what needs to come out on an Archive set, (IMO) not stuff that's
already been released... but I guess I'll take what they dish out....
William Elsom wrote:
--
Kevin Barrie
My sister uses Explorer, but me and my father use explorer............
Michael Poloukhine wrote:
> > >> > > --
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Michael Poloukhine
> > >> > > po...@genesis.www-hosting.net
> > >> > > http://genesis.www-hosting.net/~polo/collection.htm
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Michael Poloukhine
> > >> po...@genesis.www-hosting.net
> > >> http://genesis.www-hosting.net/~polo/collection.htm
> >
> > Understand Rael, That's The End Of Your Tail.
> >
> > - Doktor Dyper
> > DoktorDyper`s Genesis Emporium
> > http://www.geocities.com/theraeldoktordyper/
>
Kevin Barrie
twelvers - a double or single, and then a seperate archives CD and keep things
seperate that shouldn't be together.
Michael Poloukhine wrote:
Michael Poloukhine
Looks like something worked....
Kevin Barrie wrote:
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Michael Poloukhine
> > > >> > > po...@genesis.www-hosting.net
> > > >> > > http://genesis.www-hosting.net/~polo/collection.htm
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> Michael Poloukhine
> > > >> po...@genesis.www-hosting.net
> > > >> http://genesis.www-hosting.net/~polo/collection.htm
> > >
> > > Understand Rael, That's The End Of Your Tail.
> > >
> > > - Doktor Dyper
> > > DoktorDyper`s Genesis Emporium
> > > http://www.geocities.com/theraeldoktordyper/
> >
Kevin Barrie
bewtifulfreak
> That's what methunk too, but no... Netscape is a royal (pardon the
expression)
> p.i.t.a. when it comes to multiple identities. You'd think they'd have
figured
> that there are people out there that just CAN'T be weighed down being one
> personality. ;-)
Well, phooey on them, then! It's no wonder Bill Gates is still running
everything.... ;)
Ann
P.S. So what ever happened about the big ol' stinky poo court case, anyway?
bewtifulfreak
I always love your song analyses, they are so perceptive and inciteful!
Thank you for sharing..... :)
Ann
Michael Poloukhine
sub-companies/specialties. MS saw it coming and realized better to split up on
THEIR terms rather than let some court decide how it should be done.
(This is a simplification, obviously, but that's the gist of it after you sort
out the details)
bewtifulfreak wrote:
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Michael Poloukhine
BTW... you meant "insightful" right? Otherwise, I'd have to be insulted,
and I don't want to do that today... :-)
bewtifulfreak wrote:
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bewtifulfreak
> >blush<
>
> BTW... you meant "insightful" right? Otherwise, I'd have to be insulted,
> and I don't want to do that today... :-)
That's absolutely and of course what I meant, You!!! :)~ I don't know
what's been up with me lately.....been making all kinds of spelling
mistooks, and inverting letters and numbers like crazy (can you become
dyslexic later in life??)! Anyway, although I know exactly what you meant,
after a quick check with my dictionary, I've found nothing wrong with being
'incite'-ful per se, 'incite' meaning 'to provoke and urge on'. So let's
just say your song analyses are thought provoking, urging me to consider
their meanings further..... ;)
Ann
Polecat
Paul Barrie
bewtifulfreak wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I always love your song analyses, they are so perceptive and inciteful!
> Thank you for sharing..... :)
>
> Ann
They are also long.....which gives you a good idea of what the song is
about.
Thanks, Mike! YOu should write a book :)
Michael Poloukhine
used in lieu of "start" when speaking of riots, and, well, you know how this
group can get... I'd hate it if you thought me as a riot "starter" :-)
Didn't mean to be picky, just being a smart @ss.
And, I'd say "Yes" on the "get more dyslexic later in life" theory... based on
personal experience.
bewtifulfreak wrote:
> Michael Poloukhine <po...@genesis.www-hosting.net> wrote in message
> news:398F5E1E...@genesis.www-hosting.net...
> > >blush<
> >
> > BTW... you meant "insightful" right? Otherwise, I'd have to be insulted,
> > and I don't want to do that today... :-)
>
> That's absolutely and of course what I meant, You!!! :)~ I don't know
> what's been up with me lately.....been making all kinds of spelling
> mistooks, and inverting letters and numbers like crazy (can you become
> dyslexic later in life??)! Anyway, although I know exactly what you meant,
> after a quick check with my dictionary, I've found nothing wrong with being
> 'incite'-ful per se, 'incite' meaning 'to provoke and urge on'. So let's
> just say your song analyses are thought provoking, urging me to consider
> their meanings further..... ;)
>
> Ann
>
> > bewtifulfreak wrote:
> >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > I always love your song analyses, they are so perceptive and inciteful!
> > > Thank you for sharing..... :)
> > >
> > > Ann
> >
> > --
> >
> > Michael Poloukhine
> > po...@genesis.www-hosting.net
> > http://genesis.www-hosting.net/~polo/collection.htm
> >
> >
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bewtifulfreak
Polecat <tony.f...@NOSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I think you very nearly got away with that...
*Whew* ;)
bewtifulfreak
> Yeah, I guess "incite" can be used positively ... just that it is almost
ALWAYS
> used in lieu of "start" when speaking of riots, and, well, you know how
this
> group can get... I'd hate it if you thought me as a riot "starter" :-)
*You*? Never! If anything, I think of you as a riot calmer. :)
> Didn't mean to be picky, just being a smart @ss.
Like I said, I knew whatcha meant.....I was just returning your volley! One
smart @ss turn deserves another, dunnit? ;)
> And, I'd say "Yes" on the "get more dyslexic later in life" theory...
based on
> personal experience.
Nice to know I'm not alone in this.....!
Nan
;)
Michael Poloukhine
bewtifulfreak wrote:
> Nan
>
> ;)
LLO!
Michael Poloukhine
Paul Barrie wrote:
> Thanks, Mike! YOu should write a book :)
Uhhh.... no.
Alan Ekland
Just ringing in on the DODO thing...
No one mentioned the concert presentation of the track yet... Deep
Blue lighting with a ton of smoke for that underwater effect.
I buy into the whole Lurker/Submarine idea. Tony must have been
channeling Admiral Rickover that day..... Not sure about the Naminanu
correlation tho...
Can't wait til Nov 7!!!
BTW Paul, have you recieved the Lost Live CD yet?
And Polo, do you have a spare Abacab with the Blue front?
Best,
Alan Ekland
Michael Poloukhine
Alan Ekland wrote:
> And Polo, do you have a spare Abacab with the Blue front?
Eh?
You mean the LP with navy blue prominent color? No, sorry, no traders
available in any release. In fact, I need that "blue" one in the UK CBR
102 Charisma release...