Jenna Felice, 1976-2001
P Nielsen Hayden
She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
miss her terribly.
--
Patrick Nielsen Hayden : p...@panix.com : http://www.panix.com/~pnh
Alison Hopkins
P Nielsen Hayden wrote in message ...
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
Oh, hell. I saw the heading and my stomach turned over, even though I never
knew her - you made her real and vivid and alive. I am so sorry for you, and
all her friends she left behind to miss her.
Ali
Joel Rosenberg
Damn. I didn't know her well, but I liked her a lot. I'm very sorry
for your loss.
Kip Williams
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
I'm sorry. I never met her, but based on your description, she
should be missed.
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Beth Bernobich
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
There are no good or easy words for this. I'm so very sorry for your
loss, Patrick, and for all of Jenna's friends.
Beth
Dave Weingart
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
Damn.
The loss of any one of us is a sad thing. When it's someone who's
touched hearts, it's worse.
My condolences to those Jenna left behind her.
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Loren Joseph MacGregor
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
A conundrum: How can you miss some one so much, that you only
knew second-hand?
I don't know.
I'm very sorry.
(No other words. They're blurring.)
-- LJM
Ed Dravecky III
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
Damn. I have no words here--just know that my thoughts are with
you and Teresa at this difficult time.
--
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Marilee J. Layman
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
Oh no. I'm so sorry.
--
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David Joseph Greenbaum
in fleeting electrons:
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
Oh, crap. I'm sorry.
Dave G.
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Steven H Silver
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
From what you've said, she overcame a lot of things to get as far as she
did in such a short time. I'm very sorry she was unable to overcome
this last. Earlier today, Elaine and I were talking about making a
charitable donation. Perhaps we'll look into organizations that
research asthma and make the donation in Jenna's name.
--
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Kristopher
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of
> CENTURY magazine. She was my friend; she was many
> people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last
> Sunday, following an asthma attack. She died this
> afternoon.
>
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged
> intern, then as my assistant, then as an editor in her
> own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the
> regiment. We will miss her terribly.
My condolences.
Kristopher
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I'm piggybacking because I never saw the original message. What Ali says
goes for me too. I'm so, so sorry.
MKK
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Alma Hromic
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
although i never knew her, through your words, she became my friend
too. i hoped that you would post a different ending to your original
message.
i am deeply sorry.
A.
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Dan Goodman
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
My sympathies to you, and everyone else who misses her.
Dan Goodman
dsg...@visi.com
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Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
Dave Slusher
Kevin J. Maroney
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
I suppose I am lucky to have reached my current advanced age without
losing a friend so close before now. But I have a hard time believing
that I am lucky in anything right now.
Moo, Jenna.
--
Kevin J. Maroney | kmar...@ungames.com
"I'll be right here if you need me."--Flex Mentallo
Geri Sullivan
Indeed. Me, too.
Sympathies to all involved. Mixed in with my sadness is gladness that
Jenna had such wonderful friends, that she found Tor and that Tor found
her. That was a goodness.
Geri
--
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LAFF
Hayden) wrote:
>
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
I am very sorry to read this. I have been praying for her since your
first post about her. My condolences to you, Teresa, and her other
family and friends.
--
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the ability to be a good student. And if you can't read, it's going to be
hard to realize dreams, it's going to be hard to go to college. So when
your teachers say, read--you ought to listen to her."
-- former Texas Gov. George W. Bush at Nalle Elementary School,
Washington, D.C., Feb 9, 2001
Douglas Berry
p...@panix.com (P Nielsen Hayden) warmed at our fire and told this
tale:
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
Aw damn.
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
Like many others, I never knew her, but your description made me
appreciate her and her effect on others.
Keep her in your heart.
--
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
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Cally Soukup
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
I'm so very sorry.
--
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend
to the death your right to say it." -- Beatrice Hall
Cally Soukup sou...@pobox.com
Timothy A. McDaniel
Loren Joseph MacGregor <lmac...@efn.org> wrote:
>In rec.arts.sf.fandom P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>>miss her terribly.
>
>A conundrum: How can you miss some one so much, that you only
>knew second-hand?
Indeed I miss her, and from just reading a few articles about her.
I gather from what people wrote of her language that it's fitting to
type what I said aloud:
Aw, FUCK.
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Richard Horton
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
I am so sorry. My deepest sympathies.
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Sea Wasp
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
My condolences. As an asthmatic myself, I can only say the thought of
dying that way is horrifying and my sympathies lie with all those left
behind.
--
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Ellen Datlow
breathing because of her asthma.
They think it might have been an acute allergic reaction to
something--they don't know what and they'll
probably never know.
Although this doesn't change anything for Jenna I thought the
asthmatics on this newsgroup might
worry slightly less about such a thing happening to them.
Ellen Datlow
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>
> It turns out that the doctors do not believe Jenna stopped
> breathing because of her asthma.
> They think it might have been an acute allergic reaction to
> something--they don't know what and they'll
> probably never know.
> Although this doesn't change anything for Jenna I thought the
> asthmatics on this newsgroup might
> worry slightly less about such a thing happening to them.
*wry grin*
I'm afraid that's only comforting to those of us who don't also have
allergies... Which, unfortunately, is not a group that includes me.
I'm not TOO worried about it -- I've survived for 36 years with it
all -- but it remains the single most terrifying way to die I can
imagine and my sympathies are also with the young lady herself, even
though she's now beyond their mattering to her.
Lisa A Leutheuser
>miss her terribly.
>
I met Jenna a few years ago at Confluence. We traded book
recommendations. I just don't know what to say. I am sorry.
--
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eal (at) umich.edu
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mike weber
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
I'm sorry.
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Bernard Peek
Hayden <p...@panix.com> writes
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>miss her terribly.
I'm flashing back to the time when I saw a TV documentary about Richard
Feynman. Here was someone that I wanted to have met, and could have met,
but I didn't find out about them until it was too late.
Damn.
--
Bernard Peek
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b...@shrdlu.co.uk
Phil Fraering
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
I never knew her, but I'm sorry to hear about that.
Just about the only thing I think I can say is that I hope she wasn't
in any pain.
Phil
john o simon
John
David Dyer-Bennet
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
Oh hell. I'm so sorry.
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
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Ray Radlein
>
> "Alison Hopkins" <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > P Nielsen Hayden wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> > >magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
> > >
> > >She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday,
> > >following an asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
> > >
> > >She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then
> > >as my assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for
> > >nearly ten years.
> > >
> > >She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We
> > >will miss her terribly.
> >
> > Oh, hell. I saw the heading and my stomach turned over, even
> > though I never knew her - you made her real and vivid and alive.
> > I am so sorry for you, and all her friends she left behind to
> > miss her.
> >
> I'm piggybacking because I never saw the original message.
And I wish that I hadn't.
> What Ali says goes for me too. I'm so, so sorry.
Same here. Awful. Just awful.
- Ray R.
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Ide Cyan
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
My sympathies.
Sharon L Sbarsky
Kevin J. Maroney <kmar...@ungames.com> wrote:
>On 10 Mar 2001 22:21:26 GMT, p...@panix.com (P Nielsen Hayden) wrote:
>>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>I suppose I am lucky to have reached my current advanced age without
>losing a friend so close before now. But I have a hard time believing
>that I am lucky in anything right now.
>
Sharon
Erik V. Olson
Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote:
>On 10 Mar 2001 22:21:26 GMT, p...@panix.com (P Nielsen Hayden) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>>
>>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>>
>>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>>
>>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>>miss her terribly.
>
<Piggybacking>
Too young. Too wrong. Sometimes, I wonder about this universe of ours.
You need anything, let me know.
--
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Lenny Bailes
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
>
It's a rip in the soul. If all of this started as quantum
fluctuations in an incredibly small, dense bit of matter, no
one knows yet how that bit got there or what caused the fluctuations.
--
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Damien Neil
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
No words can suffice. I am so very sorry.
- Damien
Alison Hopkins
Erik V. Olson wrote in message ...
>On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 19:59:29 -0500,
> Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote:
>>On 10 Mar 2001 22:21:26 GMT, p...@panix.com (P Nielsen Hayden) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>>>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>>>
>>>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>>>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>>>
>>>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>>>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>>>
>>>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>>>miss her terribly.
>>
>>Oh no. I'm so sorry.
>
><Piggybacking>
>
>Too young. Too wrong. Sometimes, I wonder about this universe of ours.
>
Yes. It makes me angry, this death. People shouldn't die at the age of 25,
and they shouldn't die of asthma. And I know that they do, but I really want
to shout at the universe about it.
Ali
Jo Walton
p...@panix.com "P Nielsen Hayden" writes:
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrggh.
Jenna Felice is standing
behind a stall in Confluence.
She is talking with passion
about Century, about fiction
caring and confident,
and I decide like her.
Memory, bronze that moment.
Let it fall into time
marked an end, not a beginning,
a stifled promise;
a friendship that was just a bud
which now can never flower.
How it hurts to cast you
into the past tense.
Bronzed into memories
frozen in old attitudes
closed away from change
that melts the living like lost wax.
It hurts us, not you.
The past encloses you like shrinkwrap
no present tides can touch you
you are borne away behind
nothing can hurt you now,
nobody can reach you.
What burns us you cannot know
that life goes on, goes forward
empty of your presence
and we must go on with it
missing you always
leaving you behind.
It catches in the voice
when we must say of you "she was"
and never, now, "she is"
the things unsaid,
the things you'd want to know
that we can never tell you.
It does not help to rage
to fight life as it sweeps us on.
All we can do is live each day
knowing this day may yet be all we have
for us and for our friends
and call our memories precious.
--
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Martin Wisse
(piggybacking, didn't get the original post)
>'tis said that on 10 Mar 2001 22:21:26 GMT, p...@panix.com (P Nielsen
>Hayden) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>>
>> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>I am very sorry to read this. I have been praying for her since your
>first post about her. My condolences to you, Teresa, and her other
>family and friends.
My sincerest condolences to family and friends as well.
Martin Wisse
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>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
>
>
My sympathies for your loss. Your earlier post described her so vividly
that this feels like my loss too, even though I never met her.
Damn.
-- Alan
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Helen Kenyon
bern...@snet.net> writes
>P Nielsen Hayden wrote:
>>
>> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>loss, Patrick, and for all of Jenna's friends.
>
>Beth
I'd like to add my condolences too. It's particular sobering to realise
that Jenna was the same age as my own daughter. It's hard enough to
bear the death of someone who's had a long a fruitful life, doubly hard
to take the death of a young person.
Helen
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> A conundrum: How can you miss some one so much, that you only
> knew second-hand?
Yes, me too. I prayed for her in church this morning and told people
about her death, though they didn't even know who she was. Sympathies
from all of us.
Irina
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Janet Kegg
Yes. Oh, yes.
I am so sorry to hear that Jenna didn't make it. I didn't know her but
I weep for her and for every one whose life she touched and enriched.
My heartfelt sympathies to all.
-- Janet
Vlatko Juric-Kokic
<fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>P Nielsen Hayden wrote in message ...
>>
>>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>>
>>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>>
>>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>>
>>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>>miss her terribly.
>
>Oh, hell. I saw the heading and my stomach turned over, even though I never
>knew her - you made her real and vivid and alive. I am so sorry for you, and
>all her friends she left behind to miss her.
Ditto. My condolences.
vlatko
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>
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
So sorry to hear of this.
We never can tell when our allotted time has come. The best we can do is
the best we can for as long as we can. From your vivid picture of her, it
sounds like that's just what she did. I regret not knowing her.
Kim
Loren MacGregor
>
> Yes. It makes me angry, this death. People shouldn't die at the age of 25,
> and they shouldn't die of asthma. And I know that they do, but I really want
> to shout at the universe about it.
When I was a working respiratory therapist, I had doctors yell at me
because I told them to take asthma seriously. I was basically told,
"People choose to have asthma. It is a psychological disease."
Shall I post this? It's just bitter ranting.
Yeah, I guess I shall.
-- LJM
Arwel Parry
Hayden <p...@panix.com> writes
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
My condolences to all who knew her. 1976-2001 are terribly close
dates...
--
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John Dallman
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
I'm sorry.
I couldn't find anything sensible to say to your earlier posting
describing her and the accident; you brought her alive then as a
wonderful person who'd been made by finding Tor. I guess all that
we can say is that she had a merry life for a few years.
Waaaaa!
---
John Dallman j...@cix.co.uk
Rob Hansen
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
--
Rob Hansen
=============================================
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Rachael Lininger
P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
I'm very sorry. She was exactly my age.
Rachael
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Laura Haywood-Cory
>>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
> I suppose I am lucky to have reached my current advanced age without
> losing a friend so close before now. But I have a hard time believing
> that I am lucky in anything right now.
You're in my thoughts.
-Laura
--
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Alison Hopkins
Loren MacGregor wrote in message <3AAB91FF...@home.com>...
Too right, post it. And those doctors were betraying whatever oath they
supposedly took. I am very glad that both my doctor and practice nurse take
my (very mild) asthma seriously, and nag me to have check ups and flu shots.
I think what this also made me think of today is that so thin dividing line
between health and death that exists sometimes, and that something so, oh,
commonplace, and taken for granted can be the destroyer. A century ago,
scarlet fever was one of the great killers. Before antibiotics, the
pneumonia I had nine years ago could easily have been fatal. In the UK,
three million people or more have asthma, and it's so common that it's
forgotten that it can kill. My best friend's mother died of sarcoidosis of
all things, which should not be a killer at all. (And a stupid bloody virus
leaves you unable to walk for three days, but that's besides the point and
self pity, to boot. :)
It made me think about how fragile our grip on life can be, and how we
should treasure it, and never, ever take anyone we love for granted. And be
damned if that's a cliché, I am now going to go and hug Dave and the cat.
Ali
Ken MacLeod
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
I'm really sorry to hear this. Condolences to all who knew her.
--
Ken MacLeod
Morgan E. Smith
On 10 Mar 2001, P Nielsen Hayden wrote:
>
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
>
>
> --
> Patrick Nielsen Hayden : p...@panix.com : http://www.panix.com/~pnh
>
>
>
No words. No words at all.
It just seems so - so pointless, I guess.
I never knew her, but I'll miss her, all the same.
Morgan Smith
Ben Yalow
>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>miss her terribly.
Include me in that "we", and my sympathies to all.
>--
>Patrick Nielsen Hayden : p...@panix.com : http://www.panix.com/~pnh
Ben
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Not speaking for anybody
Doug Wickstrom
<slrn9al9u...@pnh-1.dsl.speakeasy.net>
p...@panix.com (P Nielsen Hayden) excited the ether to say:
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
I am so very sorry, Patrick. My condolences.
--
Doug Wickstrom
"Und Kinder wachsen auf mit tiefen Augen,
Die von nichts wissen, wachsen auf und sterben,
Und alle Menschen gehen ihre Wege."
--Hugo von Hofmannsthal
Rachel Brown
I posted not long ago about the experience of waking up and, before even
opening your eyes, remembering that someone is dead. I did that today, and
I never even knew her.
My heartfelt condolences to all her friends.
Rachel
She was a vixen when she went to school,
And though she be but little, she is fierce
William Shakespeare, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
Marty Helgesen
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
>miss her terribly.
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Brian M. Scott
[...]
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
Damn; I was hoping .... 25 is far too few.
Brian M. Scott
Carl Dershem
bits about her from you and others.
My condolences to you and any others who have been ... affected.
cd
Rivka
knew her. May she rest in peace.
Rivka
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet
>This is tragic.
>I posted not long ago about the experience of waking up and, before even
>opening your eyes, remembering that someone is dead. I did that today, and
>I never even knew her.
Me too. Well, I did meet her. This is just so wrong. She knew how
to be alive, she blazed with being alive.
>My heartfelt condolences to all her friends.
And mine; I'm so very sorry. I wish I could be as eloquent as Jo.
--
Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet (pd...@demesne.com)
"I will open my heart to a blank page
and interview the witnesses." John M. Ford, "Shared World"
Thomas Yan
P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
Damn. I am so sorry.
--
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Computer Science Department \\ Cornell University \\ Ithaca, NY 14853
(please pardon any lack of capitalization; my hands hurt from typing)
Cynthia Gonsalves
friends have said, she sounded like a terrific person and will be sorely
missed.
My condolences to all who had the chance to meet and work with her.
Cynthia
Del Cotter
P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> said:
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
I'm very sorry to hear this; I wanted your original post to have a
happier coda. My sympathies to you and all her friends.
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Kris Hasson Jones
<fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>P Nielsen Hayden wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>>
>>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>>
>>She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
>>assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>>
>>She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
>>miss her terribly.
>
>Oh, hell. I saw the heading and my stomach turned over, even though I never
>knew her - you made her real and vivid and alive. I am so sorry for you, and
>all her friends she left behind to miss her.
Alison has put words to my feelings better than I could have. I hope
the terrific memories you have of her comfort you.
--
Kris Hasson Jones sni...@pacifier.com
Ninni Pettersson
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
> She had been working at Tor -- first as a teenaged intern, then as my
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
What everyone else has said much better already: I'm so sorry.
Things like this shouldn't happen. Condolences to you and all her other
friends and relations.
/Ninni Pettersson
--
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Mail-adress is vidumavi at swipnet dot se
Nancy Lebovitz
Vlatko Juric-Kokic <vlatko.ju...@zg.hinet.hr> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:20:25 -0000, "Alison Hopkins"
>>
>>knew her - you made her real and vivid and alive. I am so sorry for you, and
>>all her friends she left behind to miss her.
>
>Ditto. My condolences.
And mine, too. I wish I'd had a chance to meet her.
--
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Marcus L. Rowland
>
>She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
>asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
I'm always hesitant about commenting on news like this about people I
don't know, but for what it's worth please accept my condolences.
--
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Deb Geisler
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
The only time I ever met Jenna Felice she impressed me as strong, pleasant,
gentle, caring, bright, witty, stoic and amazingly considerate of others.
My prayers and thoughts go to Patrick and all of those who knew her. Even a
single meeting is enough to know how much she will be missed.
Deb
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That which does not kill us has made its last mistake.
Phil Fraering
If it's a psychological disease, then why isn't it treatable
with purely psychotropic medication?
Phil
Phil Fraering
> Too right, post it. And those doctors were betraying whatever oath they
> supposedly took. I am very glad that both my doctor and practice nurse take
> my (very mild) asthma seriously, and nag me to have check ups and flu shots.
Do the flu shots help? Everyone who had a flu shot at work seems to
have gotten the flu much worse than I did this year.
Our bookkeeper was out 2.5 weeks, more or less, and sniffling more
of the time, and justified things by saying she was out a month
the last time she had a go-round with the flu.
Phil
Marilee J. Layman
<churn...@home.com> wrote:
>Alison Hopkins wrote:
>>
>> Yes. It makes me angry, this death. People shouldn't die at the age of 25,
>> and they shouldn't die of asthma. And I know that they do, but I really want
>> to shout at the universe about it.
>
>When I was a working respiratory therapist, I had doctors yell at me
>because I told them to take asthma seriously. I was basically told,
>"People choose to have asthma. It is a psychological disease."
>
>Shall I post this? It's just bitter ranting.
>
>Yeah, I guess I shall.
I'd told the regulars in chat about Jenna earlier in the week, and
then gave them the news of her death last night. We had a regular who
really didn't know asthma can kill. I was the only one who'd met her,
but we had a lot of sadness last night.
--
Marilee J. Layman
Bali Sterling Beads at Wholesale
http://www.basicbali.com
Marilee J. Layman
wrote:
>It turns out that the doctors do not believe Jenna stopped
>breathing because of her asthma.
>They think it might have been an acute allergic reaction to
>something--they don't know what and they'll
>probably never know.
>Although this doesn't change anything for Jenna I thought the
>asthmatics on this newsgroup might
>worry slightly less about such a thing happening to them.
Ellen, as an asthmatic, she was more susceptible to that. A couple of
years ago, I opened an old dictionary and by the time the rescue squad
got here, I had a pulse ox of 82. I got epi & oxygen from them, and
then solumedrol in the ER and went home okay early in the next
morning. I didn't seize, though, and that was probably a turning
point for Jenna.
Loren Joseph MacGregor
>Loren MacGregor <churn...@home.com> writes:
>> When I was a working respiratory therapist, I had doctors yell at me
>> because I told them to take asthma seriously. I was basically told,
>> "People choose to have asthma. It is a psychological disease."
>>
>> Shall I post this? It's just bitter ranting.
>>
>> Yeah, I guess I shall.
>If it's a psychological disease, then why isn't it treatable
>with purely psychotropic medication?
Some doctors think it should be, which hasn't changed in the 30
years since I first experienced this.
Lauryn tells me that her aunt, the wife of her Uncle Loren
(after whom she was named) died shortly before our wedding, in
circumstances apparently very similar to those of Jenna Felice.
I think there is supposed to be some lesson I'm learning from
this, but I don't know what it is. All I know is that I wish
I had some comfort for Jenna's friends, and I don't.
-- LJM
Ian A. York
Phil Fraering <p...@globalreach.net> wrote:
>
>Do the flu shots help? Everyone who had a flu shot at work seems to
>have gotten the flu much worse than I did this year.
Of course they help. There are large epidemiological studies that show
the flu vaccine reduces influenza-related disease somewhere between 30%
and 80% (for example, JAMA 2000 Oct 4;284(13):1677-82; JAMA 2000 Oct
4;284(13):1655-63). (You do, of course, realize that it's a different
vaccine every year, partly explaining the variation.)
Were the people who had "flu" worse than you did diagnosed, by a doctor,
as having influenza? At least 90% of self-diagnosed "flu" has absolutely
nothing to do with influenza, so of course the influenza vaccine does
nothing to prevent it, any more than the influenza vaccine reduces plane
crashes.
This is an example of the damage sloppy language can cause.
Ian
--
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"-but as he was a York, I am rather inclined to suppose him a
very respectable Man." -Jane Austen, The History of England
Anna Feruglio Dal Dan
> It made me think about how fragile our grip on life can be, and how we
> should treasure it, and never, ever take anyone we love for granted.
Yes. Each death, even in old age, after a long and nice life, leaves
grief and emptiness behind. I guess death, in itself, seems unfair when
it happens to someone you love. But a 25-year old, cherished and loved
by many and with so much life to live yet, it seems more unfair, in some
way.
--
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Jim Toth
--
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Sylvia Li
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
That's terrible. So young, so alive. I am so sorry.
--
Sylvia Li
Elspeth Kovar
>
> She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
> magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
>
> She never came out of the coma she went into last Sunday, following an
> asthma attack. She died this afternoon.
>
> assistant, then as an editor in her own right -- for nearly ten years.
>
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We will
> miss her terribly.
I just saw this; I'm so very, very sorry.
Joyce Reynolds-Ward
<churn...@home.com> wrote:
snip
>When I was a working respiratory therapist, I had doctors yell at me
>because I told them to take asthma seriously. I was basically told,
>"People choose to have asthma. It is a psychological disease."
And they're a bunch of raging idiot fuckwits. That attitude is old,
old, old and fucking outdated. That's the *fifties* attitude, fer
crissakes.
Tell 'em to talk to the National Jewish Lung Center (or whatever the
heck that place is in Denver, the Really, Really, Really Good Lung
Disease Place).
An idiot school principal of my son's had this attitude. However, his
current school doesn't. Maybe the preventable death of a teenaged
athlete who was seriously in denial about her severe asthma had
something to do with that.
Meanwhile, to everyone out there who has asthma....
LET THIS BE A LESSON, DAMNIT! GET YOUR ASTHMA UNDER CONTROL AND
TREATED!
Asthma deaths *are* preventable, *if* you get your asthma under
control and have a management plan.
Uncontrolled asthma kills.
Do it for Jenna.
>Shall I post this? It's just bitter ranting.
>Yeah, I guess I shall.
Hey, I'm right there with you.
jrw
(asthmatic, parent of an asthmatic)
Joyce Reynolds-Ward
wrote:
snip
>Do the flu shots help? Everyone who had a flu shot at work seems to
>have gotten the flu much worse than I did this year.
If you're an asthmatic, it's cheap insurance.
The last time my asthmatic son got the flu, he had a couple of
emergency room visits, several nebulizing treatments, and a course of
treatment with prednisone and codeine. Since then I drag him off to
get the flu shot promptly, and glare at anyone who wonders why such a
healthy-looking young man needs a flu shot--of course, as an asthmatic
he fits in the high-risk population who gets one pronto.
He hasn't had any serious flu problems since, and he's in middle
school.
I have to worry about myself, though, because I can't have a flu
shot--I'm allergic to eggs. So I really, really watch how my lungs
are feeling during flu season and focus on keeping 'em open and
general good health preventative measures like adequate sleep and
proper nutrition.
jrw
Joyce Reynolds-Ward
wrote:
>It turns out that the doctors do not believe Jenna stopped
>breathing because of her asthma.
>They think it might have been an acute allergic reaction to
>something--they don't know what and they'll
>probably never know.
>Although this doesn't change anything for Jenna I thought the
>asthmatics on this newsgroup might
>worry slightly less about such a thing happening to them.
>Ellen Datlow
thanks, Ellen, but that's actually scarier for us allergic asthmatic
types.
We had another one of this ilk here in Portland a couple of weeks
ago--a 15 year old girl. Initial reports were of meninegicoccal
disease, which is higher here than elsewhere. However, now it appears
that it was the same thing--allergic reaction caused by an unknown
substance.
Nonetheless, it doesn't reduce the pain of someone dying far too soon.
jrw
Loren Joseph MacGregor
>Asthma deaths *are* preventable, *if* you get your asthma under
>control and have a management plan.
Some are. Some aren't. And there may be factors (as in Lauryn's
aunt's death, and possibly in this case as well) that cannot be
anticipated, no matter how good your doctor(s) may be.
But, yes, those who have asthma should go to a doctor. And if
the first and second and third doctors don't listen, keep going
until you find one who will listen and tell you, not what you
may want to hear, but what is true.
-- LJM
Loren Joseph MacGregor
>We had another one of this ilk here in Portland a couple of weeks
>ago--a 15 year old girl. Initial reports were of meninegicoccal
>disease, which is higher here than elsewhere. However, now it appears
>that it was the same thing--allergic reaction caused by an unknown
>substance.
Yep. Two, actually -- one in Portland and one here in Eugene.
I had good training early, from my mother, who told us early and
often to ask what the doctors were doing, and why. She had trouble
all her life because she was allergic to the perfumes put into
most commercial soap products, to cover up the scent of the
detergent.
-- LJM
Ellen Datlow
Her neighbors, medical students, tried to get oxygen into her but
she was convulsing, so it didn't work. And it took longer for the
ambulance workers to intubate her because of that as well.
They gave her epi but it was too late. I'm sure you're right that
having bad
asthma did make her more susceptible.
I'm very glad that you came out of it.
Ellen
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Ellen Datlow
have not once
gotten the flu since then (keeping fingers crossed)
Ellen
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Joyce Reynolds-Ward
wrote:
snip
>I had good training early, from my mother, who told us early and
>often to ask what the doctors were doing, and why. She had trouble
>all her life because she was allergic to the perfumes put into
>most commercial soap products, to cover up the scent of the
>detergent.
Loren, where are you from originally, if you don't mind my asking?
I was born and raised in the Eugene/Springfield area and I developed
allergies at a very young age.
Just wondering if there's not some weird link.
And the second death--allergies instead of menigecoccal disease? Or
are you talking about Jill Dierenger?
Maybe we're all being nervous about the wrong thing...like maybe there
should be more concerns about allergies.
jrw
Sea Wasp
>
> Alison Hopkins wrote:
> >
> > Yes. It makes me angry, this death. People shouldn't die at the age of 25,
> > and they shouldn't die of asthma. And I know that they do, but I really want
> > to shout at the universe about it.
>
> because I told them to take asthma seriously. I was basically told,
> "People choose to have asthma. It is a psychological disease."
The only time I have ever blown up at a doctor was in response to
that line. "I got asthma when I was *21 months old*, you
(unprintable). I cannot remember a day when I could breathe freely. I
would give any one of my four limbs to get rid of it. Don't you ever
try to tell me that crap."
--
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/^\
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http://www.hyperbooks.com/catalog/20040.html
Sea Wasp
>
> On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:54:10 GMT, Loren MacGregor
> <churn...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >Alison Hopkins wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes. It makes me angry, this death. People shouldn't die at the age of 25,
> >> and they shouldn't die of asthma. And I know that they do, but I really want
> >> to shout at the universe about it.
> >
> >When I was a working respiratory therapist, I had doctors yell at me
> >because I told them to take asthma seriously. I was basically told,
> >"People choose to have asthma. It is a psychological disease."
> >
> >Shall I post this? It's just bitter ranting.
> >
> >Yeah, I guess I shall.
>
> I'd told the regulars in chat about Jenna earlier in the week, and
> then gave them the news of her death last night. We had a regular who
> really didn't know asthma can kill.
I've been close more than once in my life. It's insidious sometimes,
not always the quick gasping attack but sometimes a slow, creeping
decrease of lung capacity that literally saps your energy, intellect,
and will. I blew an entire semester of college because I thought I was
growing even lazier and stupider than I often felt, when it turned out
I had a slowly progressive attack which took a full month's course of
prednisone to finally break. (this is NOT a recommended thing -- it
screws your immune system something fierce).
Lis Carey
1.dsl.speakeasy.net>:
>
>
>She was a editor at Tor Books and associate editor of CENTURY
>magazine. She was my friend; she was many people's friend.
I am very sorry.
<snip>
--
Lis Carey
Re-elect Gore in '04
Lis Carey
<877l1w2...@globalreach.net>:
Flu vaccine helps a lot, reducing both the incidence and the severity
of flu. It isn't 100% effective, and some years they're more successful
than other years in identifying which strain is going to hit early, so
that there are adequate supplies of the right vaccine. And some people
shouldn't get the vaccine at all.
I had flu every year until I started getting the vaccine, though, and
the last year, I wound up at the hospital, with an inflamed trachea and
not moving enough air through my lungs even to wheeze. The next year I
started getting the flu shot, and I haven't had flu since.
Avram Grumer
> She was, as Teresa observed, the daughter of the regiment. We
> will miss her terribly.
Arg. I never know what to say at time like this. I'm bad at this, and I
don't want the practice that will make me better.
I had a mournful moment this morning, thinking back on one of the few
(perhaps the only), brief, conversations I had with Jenna. She had
something interesting going on her CD player, and I asked her what it was,
and she told me, and I can't remember.
--
Avram Grumer | av...@grumer.org | www.PigsAndFishes.org
If music be the food of love, then some of it be the Twinkies of
dysfunctional relationships.
Loren Joseph MacGregor
>wrote:
>snip
>>I had good training early, from my mother, who told us early and
>>often to ask what the doctors were doing, and why. She had trouble
>>all her life because she was allergic to the perfumes put into
>>most commercial soap products, to cover up the scent of the
>>detergent.
>Loren, where are you from originally, if you don't mind my asking?
Seattle. My mother, however, was from Saskatchewan, and moved
to Seattle at the age of 10, in 1928.
>I was born and raised in the Eugene/Springfield area and I developed
>allergies at a very young age.
There seems to be a few people in this NG from around this area.
John Lorentz springs to mind, as well as a couple of people who
read but don't post.
>And the second death--allergies instead of menigecoccal disease? Or
>are you talking about Jill Dierenger?
I do not recall the name. I recall there was one patient who
died of menigecoccal disease; she was from Portland, but attending
the UofO. I had thought there was a -second- young girl (age of
15) who died in the Portland area, where it was originally
thought that she had meningecoccal disease. My recollection is
that it turned out to be something else entirely, but I don't
recall at the moment what it was. (I am typing to distract
myself from a raging headache.)
>Maybe we're all being nervous about the wrong thing...like maybe there
>should be more concerns about allergies.
There are certain tests really good allergy specialists can
perform, but the pool of really good allergy specialists is quite
small, actually. Susan Wood had one she used to swear by and
swear at, in equal measure. (She said once that she was never
so pleased as the day when she received notice that she'd passed
her boards on the same day she was due for a review of her
medication. When he patted her on the knee -- she hated being
patted on the knee -- and said, "Don't worry about it, Susie --"
she hated to be called "Susie; her name was Susan "--I'm the
doctor," she looked at him and said, "That's DOCTOR WOOD,
doctor."
Others may draw conclusions from the fact that I'm suddenly
having an outpouring of memories of Susan Wood, who died at
the age of 28.
-- LJM
Alan Woodford
Things I really wish he hadn't had to.
I'm so sorry to hear this. Life sucks sometimes.
Alan Woodford
Men in Frocks, protecting the Earth with mystical flummery!