Tani Jantsang and her Fascist Cult of Shitanic Pinks
Radu
associate with the mental case known as "People's Commissar" who also
goes as "Tani Jantsang" but her real name is Phyllis Rose. She was
tossed out on her can by the Church of Satan for her lying, bigotry and
her threats to others. Before that she was tossed out of the radical
Maoist International Movement for being a racist bigot and a fascist.
To all who might think they are safe from her, buying her crazy books
and nutty essays from her post office box there in Florida, think again.
She has been known to threat and stalk real life! You have been warned!
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/mn/text.php?mimfile=mn198/satan.txt
MIM Notes No. 198, November 15, 1999
Church of Satan reveals its true colors
In response to an article from MIM attacking eugenics (see MIM
Notes 194), several Church of Satan members revealed their true
colors. In addition to defending eugenics and making favorable
comments toward gas chambers, the COS Magistra (a relatively high
leader) ****Tani Jantsang spoke for killing Jews and keeping all
Guatemalans and Mexicans out of the United $tates.*****
In years past, Magistra Tani Jantsang had written to MIM with
interest about Stalin and the Soviet Union. She spoke for a
militant materialism, but as readers will note, MIM criticized her
for Archie Bunker tendencies in her postings to the old Marxism
electronic mailing list run by Spoons. In her very individualistic
way, Tani Jantsang collaborated with MIM doing some actual work
and reviewing MIM Theory in detail with her friends. Alas, like
another womyn claiming to write from a Florida address named Lotus
Blossom who followed MIM and then joined the KKK, Tani Jantsang
demonstrates our difficulties in organizing in the Deep South.
****In August, MIM broke off contact with the Church of Satan because
of the threats of violence from Magistra Tani Jantsang and more
recently for her attempts to sow confusion and decadence in COS to
MIM relations.**** It also has to be noted that none of the COS
members following Tani Jantsang's contacts with MIM wanted to or
cared to do anything about obvious fascist tendencies.
On October 7th at 7:20 am, just a few days after MIM started the
eugenics polemics there, the list of topics on the Internet USENET
group alt.satanism included the following: "Why I question the
Holocaust story?", "Nigger-lover declares '2 Down One to Go!!'",
"KILL ALL ABORTIONISTS AND RACE TRAITORS", "Save white lives, give
a nigger a gun" and "hitler had national socialism." COS had
attracted all of that to their newsgroup.
On October 5, while calling herself a "communist" defender of
Stalin in our discussion thread in alt.satanism, Magistra Tani
Jantsang said of immigration: "The only immigration fears that are
objectively racist are the people bitching about SMART people, e.
europeans or asians (India or otherwise) coming here. The economic
problems, however, are VERY real. The HISPANICS, especially the
Mexicans and Guatamalans. They are STUPID people, scabs everyone
of them, destroying every single gain that US workers fought hard
for by bringing wives and children into the workplace on ONE
paycheck: the husband's paycheck. They demand to be taught in
their own language in OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS -- schools workers here
pay TAXES to keep."
The above is a typical labor aristocracy rant. It should be
pointed out that when someone says all people of a nationality are
stupid, that someone is a racist or national chauvinist. Some of
the states with the most Spanish-speaking immigrants, such as
Florida, have no state income tax. And any tenant who does not own
property pays rent to a landlord who pays taxes with that rent.
Tani Jantsang is quite simply wrong in a KKK sort of way.
Immigrants are paying for education for their children and often
not receiving it. That is not to mention that "illegal aliens"
work for a fraction of what other people do making life cheaper
for the legal citizens. Tani Jantsang's post proves how easy it is
to make hateful and emotional people forget what they know from
day-to-day life.
****Having turned against MIM, it is not surprising that on September
27th, COS Magistra Tani Jantsang revealed her colors clearly: "I'm
sick of Jews. They imagine they are The Priesthood on issues of
morality and ethics, on art (abstract ugly garbage) they TELL
blacks that they gotta play up the negative stuff in rap, or on
Soviet issues regarding things NOT OF THEIR Semite culture of
heritage; they are always THERE, trying to tell someone what's
what, as if they are the ONLY ones who know anything. Get some
gas, someone." The word "gas" was in boldface. "Always the damned
Jews, everywhere, rotting out every single society they infect.
Always them," Tani Jantsang continued.*****
No one on alt.satanism rebutted the above. In fact, two Satanists
wrote to say they wanted to have more such discussions. A third
persyn chimed in with chaos theory as if nothing of note had
happened.
Allegedly having some persynal gripe with mi...@mim.org, Magistra
Tani Jantsang also came out for the first time for the state-
capitalist regime in China. She posted an article from the social-
fascists in China defending eugenics.
In the eugenics discussion, no Satanists rebutted eugenics. Only
one ex-Satanist of mixed racial background and a Christian sided
with MIM. MIM said that the main effect of eugenics was to unleash
fascism. Now alt.satanism is the proof.
Tani Jantsang is one of the most ardent defenders of Stalin on the
Internet. She also used to claim to agree with us on Mao and the
Cultural Revolution sometimes, while making attacks on the Chinese
people compared with the Russians at other times. In other words,
she did not respect Mao for racial reasons, but Stalin said Mao
was cool, so he was. Calling ourselves the "Maoist
Internationalist Movement" and not the "Marxist-Leninist
Internationalist Movement" has helped us to separate from these
racists in addition to upholding the Cultural Revolution and
pointing the way for the principal contradiction between
imperialism and the oppressed nations.
Often she said she agreed with us 99%. Yet she never agreed with
our third cardinal principle. In fact, the third cardinal
principle on the labor aristocracy is what separated the wheat
from the chaff. She is yet another lesson to the stupid "left" in
Amerika and what they are truly unleashing.
Tani Jantsang claimed to be a communist and defender of Stalin.
Yet she spoke for racism against Mexicans and Guatemalans,
eugenics and gassing Jews who she claimed were infecting
everything. In other words, she was acting like the New York Times
caricature of Stalin supporters in the Soviet Union. We at MIM
condemn Tani Jantsang and the rest of COS unwilling to stand
against such garbage and we warn our readers to beware of wolves
in sheep's clothing.
Radu
Radu
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"Radu" <rodney....@shitanic-pinks.org> wrote in message
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<blather blather blather>
...
We at MIM
> condemn Tani Jantsang and the rest of COS unwilling to stand
> against such garbage and we warn our readers to beware of wolves
> in sheep's clothing.
We at alt.horror.cthulhu just don't care anymore. Enough already, please.
Robert
--
"Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Tattulhu Fantasy Island wagh'nagl fhtagn."
"In his house at Fantasy Island dead Tattoo waits dreaming." (trans.)
Ia! Ia! Tattulhu fhtagn! The guest stars are right!
jeanannd
HONEST bunch of people. Please chuckles, go back to your world of
delusions and I may or may not buy her book (free will remember).
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Martin Edwards
Maoists to organize in the Deep South. Now there's a surprise.
******Martin Edwards.******
Come on! Nobody's gonna drive that lousy freeway
when you can take the Red Car for a nickel.
-Eddy Valiant
Franklin Hummel
"Martin Edwards" <Martin....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> I learned some great stuff from the MIM Website, such as it's hard for
> Maoists to organize in the Deep South. Now there's a surprise.
How...disappointing.
It is to wonder when the nuts say the other nuts are nuttier they
they are.
Time for a peanut butter sandwich!
--Franklin Hummel in Boston, MA
Proletariat
faking other people's posts too. You talk about stalking? Tani doesn't
bother anybody. You people don't know when to stop. You people do nothing
but bother other people. You interfere with their business, and when people
go to the police, you cry "foul." You're a netstalker, and if this is what
"Freedom of Speech" is about, then the Internet needs to be regulated.
People like you need a leash around your neck, like a pit bull, to keep you
from biting somebody's head off.
Everytime you Laveyans try to mess with someone, it's like trying to
instigate UPS to go against what you think is a small company over those gay
dolls - and it backfires. Your own members do things against you, - or a
store, like Panpipes, does something against you - and who do you blame -
one person. You've made an anti-goddess out of this woman, and she doesn't
bother anybody. She doesn't read your stuff, she doesn't know your stuff,
she doesn't give a damn about your stuff.
You're sick, and you're netstalkers.
"Radu" <rodney....@shitanic-pinks.org> wrote in message
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Sir Chaos
> After over 2 years, you're still at it. Faking not only her posts, but
> faking other people's posts too.
I am not one for defending an anonymous poster, but posting from
such transparently fake "email addresses" as
rodney....@shitanic-pinks.org is not quite exactly "Faking posts";
it's just plain old mockery. Pretty successful mockery at that,
considering that most of the replies come from their intended targets.
Really, to qualify as a forgery a post should at least resemble
someone's email. If the content didn't give it away, a simple click
on a "forward" button does.
> You talk about stalking? Tani doesn't
> bother anybody.
Apparently she "bothers" at least a few people. The rest of us
just laugh. I know I laugh a lot when your little clique comes up
with this kind of lecture:
> You people don't know when to stop. You people do nothing
> but bother other people. You interfere with their business, and when people
> go to the police, you cry "foul." You're a netstalker, and if this is what
> "Freedom of Speech" is about, then the Internet needs to be regulated.
ROTFLMAO "You people"...
> People like you need a leash around your neck, like a pit bull, to keep you
> from biting somebody's head off.
Is that what it feels like to be openly mocked on alt.satanism?
Why not stick to your o-so interesting e-group then, and avoid the
whole mess? Ever think your whining might be a form of encouragement?
One would think that you'd figure out the troll-feeding thing by now.
HEY! You haven't mentioned the Church of Satan yet! Where's your
obligatory mention of the Big Bad LaVeyans?
> Everytime you Laveyans try to mess with someone, it's like trying to
> instigate UPS to go against what you think is a small company over those gay
> dolls - and it backfires.
Hahahaha you mean that evil little LAVEYAN store at Satan2000.com?
The one run by a bona fide Member of the Church of Satan? You are
sooo funny.
> Your own members do things against you, - or a
> store, like Panpipes, does something against you - and who do you blame -
> one person. You've made an anti-goddess out of this woman,
Sort of like blaming Lupo's animosity, or Victor's dislike, or
Harry's jokes, or Scratch's memory, or ongoing mockery by anonymous
posters on the Eeeeevil Church of Satan, eh?
>...your stuff, ...your stuff, ....your stuff.... *SQUEAL*
Hey, thanks for the laugh.
-Sir Chaos
--
"I'm the first to admit that the DDoc people acted in atrocious ways -
including my friends, including ME."
- Tani Jantsang
RyanS2
Ever seen this website?
http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern
It randomly generates postmodern essays, pretty convincingly. It'd be
pretty easy to do that with the Reds as well, just make sure that
there are mentionings of Tani being a Goddess, (not like there's an
inflated ego problem there), random names thrown about for good
measure, klippoth, the Church of Satan, and of course, "I'm the victim
of a massive conspiracy!"
> I am not one for defending an anonymous poster, but posting from
> such transparently fake "email addresses" as
> rodney....@shitanic-pinks.org is not quite exactly "Faking posts";
> it's just plain old mockery.
There's a saying that, "Common sense isn't always so common."
> > People like you need a leash around your neck, like a pit bull, to keep you
> > from biting somebody's head off.
What's interesting to me is that he apparently lacks any ability to
have introspection whatsoever. If you have vast groups of people from
vastly different organizations, backgrounds, and ethnic make-ups, all
of whom can't stand you, then it would *seem* reasonable to conclude
that you are doing *something* which is pissing off a lot of people.
It would seem the individual possessing a modicum of intelligence
would reflect upon the circumstances, and decide that some changes
would be in order. Either that, or he/she would accept their role in
provoking other people, and decide that it would be best to shut up
and accept the consequences of their actions.
Ah, the Internal Locus of Responsibility. Beware it!
jeanannd
could put them ALL on a LITTLE island and have camera's record them go at
one another...now that might be fun! ;)
-- - - -- - -- - -- - -
^ ^
>"< jeanannd
"Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
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Sir Chaos
> Hey Sir Chaos,
Why hello there.
> Ever seen this website?
>
> http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern
As a matter of fact I have not. Thanks for the link!
> It randomly generates postmodern essays, pretty convincingly. It'd be
> pretty easy to do that with the Reds as well, just make sure that
> there are mentionings of Tani being a Goddess, (not like there's an
> inflated ego problem there), random names thrown about for good
> measure, klippoth, the Church of Satan, and of course, "I'm the victim
> of a massive conspiracy!"
I have written some random message generators in my time (though
none quite so realistic as the neato link) and have often considered
making a TaniBot. It wouldn't be that hard were I not a
perfectionist.
In theory it would go like this: I would take my email records
and all of her posts, disassemble it all into small chunks (phrases,
sentences, groups of sentences) and sort said chunks by subject
matter. Then I could feed my generator a message to respond to, and
my bot would grab random words from it, search the chunks "subject"
tag for that word, build a response by randomly collating them
together, and then run through the result and capitalize random words.
Considering that this is very similar to how the Worm Queen generates
her own replies, I bet the end result would be quite convincing.
I have several prototypes of such a bot, but as stated I am a
perfectionist. I would want to read directly from my Outlook Express
*.dbx files, and OE does not accept such automation. I could probably
do some research and either run it through Outlook itself, or read and
decompress the files manually, but I have never gotten around to it.
Thus the Sir Chaos Automated Tani (SCAT) has yet to actually come into
existence.
> What's interesting to me is that he apparently lacks any ability to
> have introspection whatsoever. If you have vast groups of people from
> vastly different organizations, backgrounds, and ethnic make-ups, all
> of whom can't stand you, then it would *seem* reasonable to conclude
> that you are doing *something* which is pissing off a lot of people.
> It would seem the individual possessing a modicum of intelligence
> would reflect upon the circumstances, and decide that some changes
> would be in order. Either that, or he/she would accept their role in
> provoking other people, and decide that it would be best to shut up
> and accept the consequences of their actions.
Logic has no place in a broken puppet's mind. As you have
observed before, creativity is not exactly Brendan's strong spot, and
the reason why is actually quite simple: all that he is really
allowed to type, under threat of reams of bitchy mail and in-group
humiliation, is strewn-together quotes from the Ooey Gooey and her
Diatribes - and only selected "approved" quotes at that.
I spoke once to Brendan on the phone, in a three-way call with the
Worm Queen. It was rather depressing, listening to him drone under
supervision. Scary as it seems, he does in fact talk much like he
writes, albeit a little more pathetic live. The sad part is that he
is either utterly blind or trapped in self-denial about how he comes
off, not unlike the woman who trained him.
> Ah, the Internal Locus of Responsibility. Beware it!
It's The Game - the same indoctrination game played by the
Unification Church, Branch Davidians, Scientologists, Jehovah's
Witnesses and many others. Jim Jones played a version of The Game, as
did Appleton and his "Heaven's Gate" suicide cult. They all have
different names for what they do, but most of the references I have
found simply call it "The Game". Perhaps you will recognize it's
basic pattern.
Here is a very simplified overview of The Game: The indoctrinated
take turns in a circle, where one "victim" is singled out by the
others, who are expected to back up accusations at all cost, lest
their turn become next. The "victim" confesses, argues, fights,
breaks, cries, whatever it takes. The others revel in the thrill of a
group experience "correcting" the "victim". Eventually the "leader"
mediates an answer, either doling out consequences or "forgiveness",
and the next "victim" is selected, and The Game goes on. This brings
the people in The Game to be reliant on (not to mention grateful to
and in fear of) the "leader", while simultaneously granting power to
the cult at large, as the arguments are remembered to be used as a
weapon against those who would quit.
The effect of The Game on it's participants is almost always the
same: blind, indoctrinated, zealots filled to the brim with an almost
identical mode of speech, usually littered with the organization's
bywords and inner-circle psyche. In the end they have difficulty even
communicating with "outsiders". They become, in essence, broken
puppets.
Tani plays her own version of The Game. (She will deny it, of
course.) When I first encountered the Worm Queen's little clique, I
had done a considerable amount of research on The Game but had no
actual first-hand experience with it. Once I recognized it for what
it was, though, I just had to play along - just to see what it was
like. It's fascinating, really. Sort of like watching addicts gamble
and lose. I played and watched it run it's course several times
before I got tired of it, and they inevitably got tired of trying to
"get" to someone conscious of The Game.
The only way to really escape the game is to lie enough to make
the reprecussion backlash into so much jibberish. But most
importantly, the only way to really quit The Game is to know it.
Which is why the worms here disgust me so much, despite the fact that
I know its inner mechanics and what it means.
-Sir Chaos
--
"Go home and five your daughter a facial, chubbins."
- Tani Jantsang
People's Commissar
including the shop at 2000. You judge by trolls on alt.satanism that have
motives? Bah. Idiot.
go away.
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The Scourge
> take turns in a circle, where one "victim" is singled out by the
> others, who are expected to back up accusations at all cost, lest
> their turn become next. The "victim" confesses, argues, fights,
> breaks, cries, whatever it takes. The others revel in the thrill of a
> group experience "correcting" the "victim". Eventually the "leader"
> mediates an answer, either doling out consequences or "forgiveness",
> and the next "victim" is selected, and The Game goes on. This brings
> the people in The Game to be reliant on (not to mention grateful to
> and in fear of) the "leader", while simultaneously granting power to
> the cult at large, as the arguments are remembered to be used as a
> weapon against those who would quit.
LOL. This is exactly what the ToS do, except they actually throw the victim
out!
People's Commissar
Everyone gave the same advice as James gave - stay off here. Ignore it.,
Yeah, they aren't being netstalked.
Nice libel that. I was never a member in any way, shape or form of the
terrorist supporting group (in fact, in writing they support it) known as
MIM. They paid me to type something totally tame and safe at the same time
a Jehova's Witness paid me to type somethning at the same time a medical
student asked me to type something for him (essay). Paid me. Typing old
newspapers articles to get them into etext, with Black Panther Party
articles in them is not supporting them. It's a job. And as you well know,
I was never a member of the CoS either. A member is a very specific thing.
I never was one.
While Audey is not, Lucinda is, a lay member of the CoS, that did not stop
the HP's of that organization from trying to threaten her out of it and
harassing them both, or trashing them in the famous SS email. That did not
stop the HP's of the CoS from suporting Ventrue et al in their "Gays should
die of Aids" campaign when Lu and Audey struck back.
The faker is probably Jeremy Rance - and I can just see him progressing to
being a serial killer in the near future - he has the 100% pure profile.
His attitude toward women reeks of it - it's sick (even you'd say it if you
ever saw some of it). Emails he sent me when he was "enamoured" about
burning down Christian churches I fw'd at the time to Gilmore. Yeah, that
was really Prole. He doesn't whine. He rarely posts on here.
Seems to me that the little impotent netstalker can't just get a life for
himself. I rarely post here these days. So much for that.
Hope you have fun on NY Day.
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tim jordan
Please see inside text:
"People's Commissar" <tanija...@www.com> wrote in message
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> Not one single person with us has posted a word, except for Brendan
(Prole).
> Everyone gave the same advice as James gave - stay off here. Ignore it.,
> Yeah, they aren't being netstalked.
>
> Nice libel that. I was never a member in any way, shape or form of the
> terrorist supporting group (in fact, in writing they support it) known as
> MIM. They paid me to type something totally tame and safe at the same
time
> a Jehova's Witness paid me to type somethning at the same time a medical
> student asked me to type something for him (essay). Paid me.
And how did you get the job, Tani? Was there an advertisement at the local
employment office? Did the MIM's have a listing in the Lehigh Acres Yellow
Pages under "M" for "Maoist?" To impress the MIM's you told them you were a
Magister in the Church of Satan -- it's all online on their website.
Typing old
> newspapers articles to get them into etext, with Black Panther Party
> articles in them is not supporting them. It's a job. And as you well
know,
> I was never a member of the CoS either. A member is a very specific
thing.
> I never was one.
Never a member, but in a relatively high leadership position? You may have
not paid the CoS a $100, but you were still a member, Tani. If you weren't
associated with them, why did they take your title away?
>
> While Audey is not, Lucinda is, a lay member of the CoS, that did not stop
> the HP's of that organization from trying to threaten her out of it and
> harassing them both, or trashing them in the famous SS email. That did
not
> stop the HP's of the CoS from suporting Ventrue et al in their "Gays
should
> die of Aids" campaign when Lu and Audey struck back.
You were a Magister in the CoS when this happened, but remained remarkably
silent about the whole affair, until the CoS took away your Magistra title.
> The faker is probably Jeremy Rance - and I can just see him progressing to
> being a serial killer in the near future - he has the 100% pure profile.
> His attitude toward women reeks of it - it's sick (even you'd say it if
you
> ever saw some of it). Emails he sent me when he was "enamoured" about
> burning down Christian churches I fw'd at the time to Gilmore. Yeah, that
> was really Prole. He doesn't whine. He rarely posts on here.
>
> Seems to me that the little impotent netstalker can't just get a life for
> himself. I rarely post here these days. So much for that.
Funny, Rance didn't get the Usenet Kook Award, you did. How does that work,
Tani?
Regards,
Harry Lime
http://www.harrylimetv.com/
RyanS2
> including the shop at 2000.
Convienantly, there happens to be no qualifying object of the verb in
that sentence. More people "LIKE than dislike" what? Ice cream?
Lol.
Also, you still haven't figured out how to use logic when posting. I
know that Dave Washer/Dennis Garrett/Curio's Love Child thinks your
logic is pristine, (and hey, viewing the links he posted up, that is
more than slightly revealing), but there was nothing in my post that
had anything to do with your popularity. In fact, the post actually
had *nothing* to do with you, and was not even *directed* at you.
Rather, the post said that the Satanic Reds were so predictable in
what they say you could make a random generator of words that they
use, and you could come astoundingly close to what they would actually
say. Of course, one of the primary characteristics of Narcissism is
an inability for ego differentiation. You just can't understand it
when people aren't talking about you.
I do believe though, that someone took up my offer. Your response was
so classic and typical that it seems someone took me up on my offer
and made a random response-generator. Lolly. Now, get over me. That
type of obsessive behavior just ain't healthy.
People's Commissar whined and groaned:
*Irrelevant portions snipped, oh my goodness, there's nothing left!*
Sir Chaos
> Not one single person with us has posted a word, except for Brendan (Prole).
Yes indeed, the man I originally replied to. Of course, he can't
really answer for himself, so HERE COMES MOMMY TO THE RESCUE!!
> Everyone gave the same advice as James gave - stay off here. Ignore it.,
And you can't listen to common sense from them either. But then
again, you are being "netstalked", right? Obviously that means you
are compelled to feed the troll.
> Yeah, they aren't being netstalked.
Uh huh.
> ...MIM.... paid me.... Jehova's Witness.... Black Panther Party... job....
> other bullshit...
Yeah, like I care.
> Yeah, that was really Prole. He doesn't whine...
Your absolute blindness is appalling.
> I rarely post here these days...
Paste this chunk into a browser and check it out:
It is only January Sixth, Worm Queen, and you have posted TWENTY
SIX TIMES. I wonder if anyone else on this group could even equal
half that! You call that "rarely posting"?
> Hope you have fun on NY Day.
New Years Eve was fantastic! I rode big roller coasters, I bungee
jumped for the first (and probably last) time in my life, and I
partied on national television! Woo hoo! O, it was awesome. I wore
my purple cashmere suit with a cool new pentagram and must have kissed
some twenty or thirty women over the course of the night. New Years
Day, though, was rather uneventful for me. I spent most of the day
recovering from a massive hangover. About the only excitement was
waking up to realize that in my wasted state the night before, I had
enough taste to pick a pretty girl to take home.
Other than post five different messages, hang around your silly
chatroom, and probably hammer out more posts to your silly e-group,
what did you do?
-Sir Chaos
--
"But I don't really care because I hate the CoS more than you or they
realize. Oh well, I have been on a drug induced spreee for almost a
week now and came home to get a few clothes and personal stuff, make a
few posts..."
- Nancy Warlick
B22973
"Proletariat" <prole...@noyahoo.comspam> wrote in message
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> After over 2 years, you're still at it. Faking not only her posts, but
> faking other people's posts too.
This post is not fake. Its my real account. I'm not a christian but I
believe in God. I'm not a satanist, does that mean I could be stalked? Kind
of sounds like it around here. I'm not worried about it cause I'm getting
old and I sleep light. Intruders dont have much of a chance around here for
many reasons. The only thing I dont have around here are the body bags to
put the parts into haha
> You talk about stalking? Tani doesn't
> bother anybody. You people don't know when to stop.
When you degrade other races your in the wrong. Such as with Jews, she
plays the hate game. The problems with Israel and Jews are Cherone & U.S
politicians that kiss his ass cause they have family over there, investments
etc...
>You people do nothing
> but bother other people. You interfere with their business, and when
people
> go to the police, you cry "foul." You're a netstalker, and if this is what
> "Freedom of Speech" is about, then the Internet needs to be regulated.
> People like you need a leash around your neck, like a pit bull, to keep
you
> from biting somebody's head off.
Usenet needs regulated I agree with you there. On the other hand your
friend would have been in the pokey a long time ago for her threats had it
been regulated a long time ago.
> Everytime you Laveyans try to mess with someone, it's like trying to
> instigate UPS to go against what you think is a small company over those
gay
> dolls - and it backfires. Your own members do things against you, - or a
> store, like Panpipes, does something against you - and who do you blame -
> one person. You've made an anti-goddess out of this woman, and she doesn't
> bother anybody. She doesn't read your stuff, she doesn't know your stuff,
> she doesn't give a damn about your stuff.
And how can you say what she know's? Do you share the same bed with her?
She is an anti-goddess, again I agree with you, she is a satanist WTF does
that make her?
> You're sick, and you're netstalkers.
I was never kicked out of church. Being kicked out of the devils house
is an indicator of sickness. How fuc*ing bad do you have to be to have that
happen to you?
>
> "Radu" <rodney....@shitanic-pinks.org> wrote in message
pinks.org? hahaha thats pretty fuc*in funny. You fems ride mopeds too?
Les Masters
will die anyways. You will die of old age before Tani comes and gets you.
Ben Schultz
Proletariat,
As I have said a hundred times, you can not somehow absolve Tani from
her responsibility in the constant on line "battle royal." Well you
can, but I would question your motivation and intelligence if you did.
Tani has done her fair share of instigating. The SRs have five
"unfortunate necessary statements" on their web page. Three of them
are by Tani, and all of them adversely discuss the CoS in some form or
another. In fact, only one out of five even talks about other
organizations out there. Her "official stance" goes so far as to
advocate contacting the xtian coalition about any "problems" people
have with the CoS. (The school yard equivalent of telling your mommy.)
Conversely, I do not see one thing on the CoS page directed against or
even about Tani Jantsang. This is a public board, so do what you
want... Just don't whine about the consequences.
I am also tired of these claims of slander and libel. Anything said in
this forum constitutes libel. If someone is going to threaten a law
suit, at least accurately level the charge.
Furthermore, Tani has made herself a "public figure" in the "Satanic
Community." As such, the standards which libel are judged are a bit
different than they would be for the average person.
"A public figure may be an elected or appointed or someone who has
stepped into a public controversy. Public figures have a "harder road
to toll" than the average person since they must prove that the party
defaming them knew the statements were false, made them with actual
malice, or was negligent in saying or writing them. Proving these
elements makes the chance of a successful lawsuit slim."
Again, I have explained this on numerous occasions. If such evidence
exist that a case is to be made, then file charges. If not, then why
waste everyone's time threatening fictitious law suits?
And don't give me that "she didn't start it" crap. You can yell, kick,
and scream about who threw the first stone all you want. As in any
conflict, the first stone is not nearly as important as the last one.
My children do the same thing... "Dad, Kaiden hit me!" Of course,
they're two and four, so I expect it out of them.
I understand that Tani and the CoS get along like oil and water. But,
as hard as this may be to believe, I do think that it is possible for
someone to disagree with Tani and not be a "CoS lackey." But if you
want to make the CoS out to be some sort of big bad bogey men, I am
sure they revel in the fact that you see CoS operatives around every
corner. Personally, I think it's mildly humorous.
As for this crap about her "Magistra" title, I have openly stated that
Tani told me not to use it when speaking to her, and never used it
when talking to me. That, however, does not preclude her membership in
the organization.
Hypothetically, if I were to accept a commission as a lieutenant in
the US Army, few people would believe that I was not a member of that
group even if I had not enlisted prior to the commission. By accepting
a position of authority in the organization, I would have accepted
membership by proxy.
Here is another example for you. About two years ago a former coworker
of mine called me up. He had gotten a new job heading a small fleet of
trucks and offered me the title of "Dispatch Supervisor." By accepting
that title, I also accepted the job that went with it. Even though I
did not actively seek the position, once I accepted it, few would
argue that I was not an employee of said company. Even fewer would
accept that statement were I to make it.
I am sure no one wants Tani to have "never been a member" more than
the CoS. They, unlike Tani, took the first logical step in making the
whole fiasco a distant memory - they don't talk about it.
Ben
"We are faced with the paradoxical fact that education
has become one of the chief obstacles to intelligence
and freedom of thought."
- Bertrand Russell
Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman
have
> not paid the CoS a $100, but you were still a member, Tani. If you
weren't
> associated with them, why did they take your title away?
They had a habit of giving away titles.. Manson wasn't a member either, but
Levay ordained him a reverend on the spot.
--
Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman
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B22973
"Les Masters" <lmas...@socket.net> wrote in message
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> By all means, lie awake at night.
Sometimes I'm awake at night, I dont lay around though. Come pay me
a visit & find out.
> Hide under your covers.
I'll sleep well tonight.
> Never mind. You will die anyways.
Yeah eventually. But I'm going somewhere special that you will never
see.
> You will die of old age before Tani comes and gets you.
Your probably right. I dont know her, I just read about her. I believe
you meant something else and were to stupid to correct it. Trust me, if you
come here you will be suprised at the number of people that reside here as
well as what is literally in every room of the household. As a special tip
some of these people are law enforcement officers. You have been given a
fair warning.
B22973
This MS Outlook Express sucks as a news reader. The > & >> did not come out
right. When I posted it may have been screwed up. And sending a forewarning
to anyone on a message board to counter stalking sure as hell is'nt
stalking. And you really need to follow up on your pal Tani. She appears to
be one sick critter. You want to defend a satanist? Then its fair to say
that I can judge you by the friends you associate with.
\
"Les Masters" <lmas...@socket.net> wrote in message
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B22973
"People's Commissar"
<old...@satanicretards.orgUse-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote
in message news:851c730b31f9c078...@anonymous.poster...
> Les Masters wrote:
> >
> > By all means, lie awake at night. Hide under your covers. Never
mind.
> You
> > will die anyways. You will die of old age before Tani comes and gets
you.
>
I cancelled that last post because I was in error. (Just sleepy today.)
Les only psychos, Doctors, and Lawyers (another form of psycho) defend
psychos. Which are you?
Les Masters
"People's Commissar " wrote:
> Les Masters wrote:
> >
> > By all means, lie awake at night. Hide under your covers. Never mind.
> You
> > will die anyways. You will die of old age before Tani comes and gets you.
>
Les Masters
Les Masters
> "Poor people tend to live in clusters"- Eric Cartman, South Park, Chicken
> Fucker Episode.
>
> Sometimes I'm awake at night, I dont lay around though. Come pay me
> a visit & find out.
>
> > Hide under your covers.
>
> I'll sleep well tonight.
>
> > Never mind. You will die anyways.
>
> Yeah eventually. But I'm going somewhere special that you will never
> see.
>
>
Les Masters
By the way netscape is great as a newsgroup reader.
B22973
would you? Replying psycho does'nt scare or bother me, I gave you those
choices. However you appear to make a lot of wrong choices in life. Since
your in a truthful mood, what type of medication are you on? BTW:) Lester
rhymes with molestor shall I write a jingle?
"Lester Masturbator" <lmas...@sockpuppet.net> wrote in message
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B22973
> If your life is that dull, don't rely on me to provide you with
drama.
Its not dull at all. I enjoy reading your brain damaged responses
to other people. Yeah I'll give netscape a shot
this one sucks bad.
Les Masters
B22973
You are so fuc**ng st00pid and paranoid. I wrote the post you
apparently blame proletariat for making. Wanna buy some black firecrackers
Les?
"Les Masters" <lmas...@socket.net> wrote in message
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B22973
"Les Masters" <lmastu...@sockpuppet.net> wrote in message
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Damn I have sunk to my lowest point. Bickering with an idiot who has no
sense of humor nor even a hint of creativity. You are what I fear. You are a
very scarey, self absorbed DRAMA QUEEN .
You posted earlier that you were a psycho. I cant help that these
things come out of you. Try to keep us up to date on any "vibrations" you
may have that lead you into the powers of dream invasion. You never answered
the question below and you reposted it. What type of medication are you on?
Chat with ya later!!
B22973
"Les Masters" <lmas...@socket.net> wrote in message news:3E1E8AA9...@socket.net...
Damn I have sunk to my lowest point. Bickering with an idiot who has no sense of humor nor even a hint of creativity. You are what I fear. You are a very scarey, self absorbed DRAMA QUEEN .
You proclaimed you were a psycho in an earlier post today. Your certainly not very bright Lester.
Les Masters
You seemed to be intimidated when I intended to amuse you. I am not on any
meds.I am not considered dangerous and I am in no way a felon. I do not claim or
wish to imply that I am some badass who is hunting you down to inflict bodily
harm.
Les Masters
B22973
> I answered the question "Psycho" in an attempt to be humorous with
you.
Your posts over the last 24 hours have shown you go from one word
to the next.
> You seemed to be intimidated when I intended to amuse you.
Like your comments about invading my dreams. You bet I was amused but
never intimidated Lester.
>I am not on any meds.
Half the problems is right there in your own words.
> I am not considered dangerous and I am in no way a felon.
Your probably not dangerous cause your rotting on the computer all night.
Not a felon? Pehaps you've never been caught?
> I do not claim or wish to imply that I am some badass who is hunting you
down to inflict bodily
> harm.
st00pid sums it up.
B22973
"Les Masturbating" <lmastu...@sockpuppet.net> wrote in message
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> Dude, switch to decafe.
You skipped the point Chester. You have proven to the group your
concentration skills are low. You owe a posted apologie to proletariat for
the accussations you made in public.
People's Commissar
SR is a Left Hand Path organization; it is not anti-Christian, and it is
NOT, repeat NOT, about "the devil" at all. - Some of our members are
wiccans, atheists, pagans, and many other things, and we have a Christian
Minister in the organization. We are also on very friendly terms with a
Christian Professor. So goes that.
I'm not a psycho - but net stalking obsessed idiots surely are. All they
have is libel. They are in truth, like the Christian version of Satan -
LIARS. I was never a member of the CoS. And yes, LaVey handed out titles
on the spot when he thought it would get him something. What did he get?
He got the ability to claim that our legitimate eastern stuff was somehow
related to HIS stuff. Well, that's not quite true, now is it. I was never,
at any time, a member of the Maoist group OR in agreement with them on THEIR
stances and agendas. Far from it. Usenet is stupid for one reason - it's
like a mud-slinging place; nothing is serious from most posters at all.
"B22973" <B22...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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B22973
> You shoulldn't believe hearsay and libel. Provable libel.
Indeed you are whacked out.
B22973
BTW:) If its proveable why have'nt you won a lawsuit or threatened one
lately? (snicker)
People's Commissar
terrorist organization - and they say that in writing in their Theory
issues - is extreme libel, Ben. It's dangerous libel.
Sure, I got into fights on here. But these idiots obsess for over 2 years?
Heh. That's their life then. Ignoring them doesn't do a bit of good. It's
their obsession, after all.
See in.
"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
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>
> Proletariat,
>
> As I have said a hundred times, you can not somehow absolve Tani from
> her responsibility in the constant on line "battle royal." Well you
> can, but I would question your motivation and intelligence if you did.
Lately, I'm hardly here, Ben. It would seem that my point was proven. I
wanted to see, for instance, what Kori would actuall DO if I challenged her
on her Zeena issue. And so I got to see it. You do realize, I have no use
for Zeena or Nick? None at all. Yeah, you know that. But I got to see
what a person does when DISagreement comes their way. Viola! It makes for
an interesting study. The facts at least are real, legit. heh.
>
> Tani has done her fair share of instigating. The SRs have five
> "unfortunate necessary statements" on their web page.
FIVE? I'll have to check that. Well, you see, so long as their "known old
time supporters, if not actual members" keep obsessing on me and
netstalking, those statements stay up there. And you have to admit, they
have been doing this for over 2 years. Yes? Yes. You are always blind to
that - for some reason.
>
Furthermore, Tani has made herself a "public figure" in the "Satanic
> Community." As such, the standards which libel are judged are a bit
> different than they would be for the average person.
I am not a public figure. I'm a tax-paying private citizen under the laws.
>
> "A public figure may be an elected or appointed or someone who has
> stepped into a public controversy. Public figures have a "harder road
> to toll" than the average person since they must prove that the party
> defaming them knew the statements were false, made them with actual
> malice, or was negligent in saying or writing them. Proving these
> elements makes the chance of a successful lawsuit slim."
Lawsuits do not count for anything unless damage is done. That's the facts.
Accusing me of being a member of a pro-terrorist organization has not caused
harm YET. Should it cause harm, you'll hear about it on CNN, I'm sure.
Having the MIM's accuse me of being Archie Bunker is rather a compliment,
considering what the MIM advocate doing. Suggest you read their theory
issues and see what provoked me to become like Archie Bunker. I never, at
any time, joined them or agreed with their stances or agendas. I agreed 90%
with stuff they didn't even write - but which they did publish - written by
other neutral people.
>
>
> And don't give me that "she didn't start it" crap. You can yell, kick,
> and scream about who threw the first stone all you want. As in any
> conflict, the first stone is not nearly as important as the last one.
Yes, it is. Take note, Ben - and eat your words.
> I understand that Tani and the CoS get along like oil and water. But,
> as hard as this may be to believe, I do think that it is possible for
> someone to disagree with Tani and not be a "CoS lackey."
What's your reading comp? They claim to be in cahoots and claim to have
been in the "know" with high ups in the CoS - and then they portray both
LaVey and Barton in the most hateful terms. What I put up on Barton shows
her to be the opposite of what they claim she is, in case you did NOT notice
that. But the "New-Barton" is another matter - the "fake Barton." The
"Barton" they claim she always was. And so.....
> As for this crap about her "Magistra" title, I have openly stated that
> Tani told me not to use it when speaking to her, and never used it
> when talking to me. That, however, does not preclude her membership in
> the organization.
As a legal fact, Ben, I was never a member of that organization. Legal
fact. Neither is Manson. LaVey handed out the titles, like that or not.
Legally, I was not a member, had no authority in it, had no duties in it,
nothing. Legally. Yes, I checked!
>
> Hypothetically, if I were to accept a commission as a lieutenant in
> the US Army, few people would believe that I was not a member of that
> group even if I had not enlisted prior to the commission. By accepting
> a position of authority in the organization, I would have accepted
> membership by proxy.
The point is, the title came with absolutely NO position of authority of any
kind, just as Manson's has no authority. Figure it out. Repeat, I checked.
I never used it on anything I seriously wrote, or sold (sell). Another
fact. That means it is not accepted. Usenet doesn't count in lieu of the
way I "used" that title.
>
> Here is another example for you. About two years ago a former coworker
> of mine called me up. He had gotten a new job heading a small fleet of
> trucks and offered me the title of "Dispatch Supervisor." By accepting
> that title, I also accepted the job that went with it.
That's the point, Ben. Magisters have DUTIES in the CoS. Quite a few of
them. I never had any such duties OR authority. POINT - get it?
> I am sure no one wants Tani to have "never been a member" more than
> the CoS. They, unlike Tani, took the first logical step in making the
> whole fiasco a distant memory - they don't talk about it.
They do nothing to stop their active supporters, people they invited into
the organization, people who speak with authority, from doing their flaming
for them. Don't even try to deny it. They feed them false information with
which to try to slander, they spew falsehoods, not just opinions - outright
falsehoods. Some of their "loyal members" outright tell me what's going on.
Tish tish! Hey, the attack dogs are killfiled.
So, as I said, I'm not playing. OK, I answered you. You deal with 10% of
the facts, too. And, you admit you don't even read their posts so you are
not in any position to know. Brendan is rarely on here, Ben. He's BUSY.
I'm on here, ok, today, 20 minutes.
People's Commissar
someone is truly harmed by the libel, either physical harm, or monetary
harm.
Got it? I won't say more. You are a blithering idiot.
"B22973" <B22...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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B22973
> I'll answer you, you blithering fool. Law suits are a waste of time UNTIL
> someone is truly harmed by the libel, either physical harm, or monetary
> harm.
>
> Got it? I won't say more.
Sieg Hiel! You claimed libel now you basically say no one has been
harmed.
> You are a blithering idiot.
You claim to be a writer, yet you repeat yourself. You certainly are a
rampant asshole at large on the Internet. Now I see why the Uselessnet
Losers pages were setup. I actually did'nt notice you were Ms. Granny Hatred
yourself. Take a black stick of dynamite and stick it in your nasty twat
bitch.
B22973
> Um, claiming that I was ever a member of an extremely anti-Ameridcan and
pro
> terrorist organization - and they say that in writing in their Theory
> issues - is extreme libel, Ben. It's dangerous libel.
Then you would have a lawsuit which you dont. So shut the fuck up
Granny.
>
> Sure, I got into fights on here.
And you always will cause you are st00pid.
> But these idiots obsess for over 2 years?
And you keep coming back.
> Heh. That's their life then.
Beats stalking, threatening and rampaging does'nt it. BTW:) Yer extremely
ugly in red. Fix those fuckin teeth and quit eatin corn on the cob.
> Ignoring them doesn't do a bit of good. It's
> their obsession, after all.
I heard the FBI is'nt ignoring you.
>
> See in.
In what? Deam invasion? hahaha
People's Commissar
here. At least, for us. (for shame! I'd have gone swimming in NJ once upon
a time, in 50 degree weather with ocean temp 67 - nooooooo more).
I didn't post on NY's Eve. My message do not show up when I post them. My
computer is also very slow. Have not been on chatroom in ages, literally
ages - I can't get on due to dalnet. I might try to identify and that's
it - just no time. So whoever you are seeing there, it's not me.
You know what tastes good? Whiskey and cola - mixed with two shots of
Bailey's Irish Creme. Heh - it's GOOD. I don't get hangovers.
I LOVE roller coaster! Cyclone - Coney Island, back seat when the cars are
full.
Now I've spent 55 minutes on here, on and off. Enough. Chow (means EAT)
Scallops Marbella IS God. .
"Sir Chaos" <sirc...@wolfenet.com> wrote in message
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> > Hope you have fun on NY Day.
>
> New Years Eve was fantastic! I rode big roller coasters, I bungee
> jumped for the first (and probably last) time in my life, and I
> partied on national television! Woo hoo! O, it was awesome. I wore
> my purple cashmere suit with a cool new pentagram and must have kissed
> some twenty or thirty women over the course of the night. New Years
> Day, though, was rather uneventful for me. I spent most of the day
> recovering from a massive hangover. About the only excitement was
> waking up to realize that in my wasted state the night before, I had
> enough taste to pick a pretty girl to take home.
>
> Other than post five different messages, hang around your silly
> chatroom, and probably hammer out more posts to your silly e-group,
> what did you do?
>
> -Sir Chaos
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> "But I don't really care because I hate the CoS more than you or they
> realize. Oh well, I have been on a drug induced spreee for almost a
> week now and came home to get a few clothes and personal stuff, make a
> few posts..."
> - Nancy Warlick
- wolf -
fake posts.
- wolf -
"- wolf -" <poo...@tanissaggingtit.org> wrote in message
news:DLTFW1R83763...@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org...
> Ranty Tani Cumstain wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Usenet is stupid for one reason - it's like a mud-slinging place;
nothing
> is serious from most posters at all.
>
>
>
> Then leave! Or better yet skip your heart medication for a few weeks and
see
> if that doesn't help improve the overall quality of usenet messages.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Les Masters
Les Masters
This person has figured out that we are both axe wielding serial killers.
We must stop him at once.
Les Masters
What your obsession with black objects and rectums? Let me guess, while in
the prison, you borrowed money. You forgot to pay it back. Bubba came and paid
you a visit. So after a good old ass reamming by a big black cock, you decided
to promote some hot anal loving in our newsgroup. SNICKER. Judging from your
bitchiness, I can tell you need some more.
Les Masters
would you think he would be man enough to spoof your addy?
Les Masters
I contacted your sexual chocolate, Bubba. He said you forgot to wash his
socks before you got released.
As far as as Proletariat goes, I made no accusations. Unlike you
,Brandon knows my real e-mail address and I doubt he was fooled for a second. If
he feels there is a problem, he can email me.
Les Masters
I have been forwarding all your e-mail to your local Starbucks. I have
been informed that they are cutting you off.
Victor LeNettoyeur™
> Big Tu Tu,
> I have been forwarding all your e-mail to your local Starbucks. I
have
> been informed that they are cutting you off.
*LOL*
>
> B22973 wrote:
>
~choppity-chop~
--
"The man who prays to be 'protected' by politicians, guarded by
armed Janissaries, saved by idolatrous priests, and redeemed by
State Regimentation is indeed a miserable sinner -- a vile,
despicable, un-manly wretch."
-Ragnar Redbeard
People's Commissar
them or was kicked out? No such thing ever happened. I did a JOB for them,
typing - and it wasn't even their material. They didn't write a single word
of it. It was for the record - Huey Newton newspapers articles from the
60's and 70's. I still have them. They paid 9 bucks a typed page. The
morons sent cash in the mail. They like to be so secretive.
I saw the libel on there, generating other libel. I emailed and asked them
to remove it, rectify the lies, sent a cc to ta...@fbi.gov and told them I'd
get a lawyer and then they would definitely be "known people". They are an
organization that strongly supports terrorists in writing, and is in favor
of the destruction of the USA. I'm in favor of living wages, health care
for CITIZENS. ONLY citizens.
Racist my ass. I said shoot illegals at the border. How is that racist?
Economic terrorism is when billions of US dollars get taken out of the
country and sent abroad by illegal aliens, 14 million of them. Many
people agree with me on that. They are Republicans. I stand firm on that.
SHOOT them. They are the same as people breaking and entering into a
private house. A country is either sovereign or it is not. I'm non-white,
my brother in law is black. The Maoist people are lilly white - the ones
that deal with people or pay them for jobs like typing. So much for that.
Northern transplants are not "from the deep south" that is more Maoist
distortion and slander. How can anyone believe a word they have to say -
about anything - when they distort things like that over political
disagreements? I'm a FD Roosevelt Americanist. Period. That was never
made a secret.
The Maoist International movement is, in writing, in favor of blacks (only
blacks) destroying the USA and getting rid of the whites (only whites). In
writing. TGhat kind of rhetoric, not even polemic but seriously wsritten
articles is permeating their own "Theory" issues. They call it
"correcting" the problem to the point of extermiating. The letter they once
wrote on that I forwarded to the FBI at the time. I did not ask them to
write me that kind of garbage or send me their stupid issues. I only did a
job - got paid. They are bigger pests than the Jehova's Witnesses ever
were. I did typing for them too - and none of them ever bothered me or
tried to preach to me. Jehova's Witnesses are more tolerant than Maoists.
So they talk out of their ass. They lie, they harass and they start
"campaigns" against anyone that disagrees with them.
The Maoist International Movement can be relied on to do the worst types of
things that repressive pseudo-communist regimes do: harass and persecute
people when that's all they CAN do. If they had power; they'd do worse.
Tjhen they whine that "Tani went to the Feds" - you BET I did. They support
terrorists. Who the hell asked them to send me that shit? Even the
Jehova's Witnesses did not do anything like that when I typed for them (and
got paid).
I agree with 90% of the issue on Stalin that they presented, most of which
they didn't even write - they had quotes from known sources. It was an
analysis. That is NOT to say that I agree with their anti-white, racist
lunatic fringe garbage.
This is what maoists do - so far for them, from the safety of anonymity. If
this goes to court, they will be NO LONGER anonymous. I'm sure the FBI
knows who they are - everytime they wrote me another anti-American screed, I
sent it to them. I signed on to get paid for a damned typing job. Not to
be harassed.
Tani Jantsang.
"Martin Edwards" <Martin....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:3e16e1b2...@news.btinternet.com...
> I learned some great stuff from the MIM Website, such as it's hard for
> Maoists to organize in the Deep South. Now there's a surprise.
>
> ******Martin Edwards.******
>
> Come on! Nobody's gonna drive that lousy freeway
> when you can take the Red Car for a nickel.
>
> -Eddy Valiant
tim jordan
Please see inside text:
> Got any idea the amount of libel involved in their claiming I ever joined
> them or was kicked out? No such thing ever happened. I did a JOB for
them,
> typing - and it wasn't even their material.
So did you get the job at the local employment office, Tani? Just how did
you get in contact with them?
They didn't write a single word
> of it. It was for the record - Huey Newton newspapers articles from the
> 60's and 70's. I still have them. They paid 9 bucks a typed page. The
> morons sent cash in the mail. They like to be so secretive.
And they fired you because they considered you a racist, wanting to "shoot
Mexicans and Guatemalans at the border." Likewise your dittys about Jews
being gassed doesn't make for good relations with any employer.
>
> I saw the libel on there, generating other libel. I emailed and asked
them
> to remove it, rectify the lies, sent a cc to ta...@fbi.gov and told them
I'd
> get a lawyer and then they would definitely be "known people". They are
an
> organization that strongly supports terrorists in writing, and is in favor
> of the destruction of the USA. I'm in favor of living wages, health care
> for CITIZENS. ONLY citizens.
So where's the lawyer Tani?
> Racist my ass. I said shoot illegals at the border.
No you wrote "Mexicans and Guatemalans" and said others from more advanced
countries were welcome. This is racist.
> How is that racist?
> Economic terrorism is when billions of US dollars get taken out of the
> country and sent abroad by illegal aliens, 14 million of them. Many
> people agree with me on that. They are Republicans.
No one is going to do the shit jobs in this country that Latino immigrants
accomplish here in the USA.
I stand firm on that.
> SHOOT them. They are the same as people breaking and entering into a
> private house.
Just like you wrote that gassing Jews is a groovy idea?
A country is either sovereign or it is not. I'm non-white,
> my brother in law is black. The Maoist people are lilly white - the ones
> that deal with people or pay them for jobs like typing.
How would you know their race if you just did "typing for $9 per page?"
> So much for that.
> Northern transplants are not "from the deep south" that is more Maoist
> distortion and slander. How can anyone believe a word they have to say -
> about anything - when they distort things like that over political
> disagreements? I'm a FD Roosevelt Americanist. Period. That was never
> made a secret.
No you're a fascist that got booted out of the MIM's and the CoS.
> The Maoist International movement is, in writing, in favor of blacks (only
> blacks) destroying the USA and getting rid of the whites (only whites).
In
> writing. TGhat kind of rhetoric, not even polemic but seriously wsritten
> articles is permeating their own "Theory" issues. They call it
> "correcting" the problem to the point of extermiating. The letter they
once
> wrote on that I forwarded to the FBI at the time. I did not ask them to
> write me that kind of garbage or send me their stupid issues. I only did
a
> job - got paid. They are bigger pests than the Jehova's Witnesses ever
> were. I did typing for them too - and none of them ever bothered me or
> tried to preach to me. Jehova's Witnesses are more tolerant than Maoists.
> So they talk out of their ass. They lie, they harass and they start
> "campaigns" against anyone that disagrees with them.
Pot/kettle/black.
> The Maoist International Movement can be relied on to do the worst types
of
> things that repressive pseudo-communist regimes do: harass and persecute
> people when that's all they CAN do. If they had power; they'd do worse.
> Tjhen they whine that "Tani went to the Feds" - you BET I did. They
support
> terrorists. Who the hell asked them to send me that shit? Even the
> Jehova's Witnesses did not do anything like that when I typed for them
(and
> got paid).
So how did you get the job in the first place Tani? Again did the MIM's
advertise in the local Lehigh Acres newspaper?
>
> I agree with 90% of the issue on Stalin that they presented, most of which
> they didn't even write - they had quotes from known sources. It was an
> analysis. That is NOT to say that I agree with their anti-white, racist
> lunatic fringe garbage.
The careful reader will note that you said that you agree of ninety percent
of their issues, not just material on Stalin. Did you forward this to the
FBI as well?
> This is what maoists do - so far for them, from the safety of anonymity.
If
> this goes to court, they will be NO LONGER anonymous. I'm sure the FBI
> knows who they are - everytime they wrote me another anti-American screed,
I
> sent it to them. I signed on to get paid for a damned typing job. Not to
> be harassed.
Likewise they know your association with them and how you became a
hired-hand for the MIM's. Let's say the KKK asked me to be their
professional "food taster," paying me $100 per plate of food I tasted. Do
you think I'd take the job? Of course not because I disagree -entirely-
with their bigotry. How can you maintain that you simply "did a job" with
out knowing the extent of their political viewpoints and tacitly agreeing
with them? This is quite different from the Jehovah's Witnesses. There's
lots of JW's around, but there are very few MIM's and they are difficult to
contact. They don't advertise in the local paper or at the local employment
office. Don't you think the FBI knows this? Nice to see you're a Usenet
loser, it's quite appropriate..
Regards,
Harry Lime
http://www.harrylimetv.com/
Victor LeNettoyeur™
Please see below...
Matt "TrollBoy" Wiseman wrote:
> > Never a member, but in a relatively high leadership position? You may
> have
> > not paid the CoS a $100, but you were still a member, Tani. If you
> weren't
> > associated with them, why did they take your title away?
>
> They had a habit of giving away titles..
If the pope called me up out of the blue one day, said he liked my writing
on usenet and because of this he'd like to make me a Catholic priest, what
would I do? You can substitute Archbishop of Canterbury/Episcopal and the
results would be the same. You can substitute (yes) LaVey/C.O.S. Magister.
I'd still turn it down.
In any event, I'd probably thank him very politely and decline the honor.
Why would I do this? Because I don't happen to agree with the ideals of
these organizations enough to join as a regular member. Would it therefore
be appropriate to accept a leadership position, committing all the time
and energy such a position would necessarily entail?
> Manson wasn't a member either, but
> Levay ordained him a reverend on the spot.
>
Tani Jantsang is compared to Charlie Manson over on your horror newsgroup?
In many ways I am not surprised...
Regards,
Victor
B22973
> I saw the libel on there, generating other libel. I emailed and asked
them
> to remove it, rectify the lies, sent a cc to ta...@fbi.gov and told them
I'd
> get a lawyer and then they would definitely be "known people".
Hmmm... you email the FBI then wonder why they check you out.
They are an
> organization that strongly supports terrorists in writing, and is in favor
> of the destruction of the USA. I'm in favor of living wages, health care
> for CITIZENS. ONLY citizens.
>
> Racist my ass. I said shoot illegals at the border. How is that racist?
Cause you cant shoot someone unless the they place you in fear of
serious bodily injury or death st00pid. And even if your in the right your
probably going to jail until the judge straightens it out. Shooting
"illegals" down South would mainly mean Mexicans.
> Economic terrorism is when billions of US dollars get taken out of the
> country and sent abroad by illegal aliens, 14 million of them. Many
> people agree with me on that. They are Republicans. I stand firm on
that.
> SHOOT them.
General citizens or those in the political arena? And what poll was
this?
> They are the same as people breaking and entering into a
> private house.
Nope! Not even close.
> A country is either sovereign or it is not. I'm non-white,
You looked a little albino in the pics I've seen of you.
> my brother in law is black.
This gets better all the time.
snip
> I'm a FD Roosevelt Americanist. Period. That was never
> made a secret.
Thats fine if it were true.
> The Maoist International movement is, in writing, in favor of blacks (only
> blacks) destroying the USA and getting rid of the whites (only whites).
In
> writing.
Must've been the Maoists that brought crack into the country and fed it
to the blacks. How about gangster rap that tells blacks to kill whites? Did
Maoists come up with that too? Just wondering actually.
snip
> The Maoist International Movement can be relied on to do the worst types
of
> things that repressive pseudo-communist regimes do: harass and persecute
> people when that's all they CAN do. If they had power; they'd do worse.
> Tjhen they whine that "Tani went to the Feds" - you BET I did. They
support
> terrorists. Who the hell asked them to send me that shit? Even the
> Jehova's Witnesses did not do anything like that when I typed for them
(and
> got paid).
Actually Tani if they were really that pissed off at you I think you
would be a dead woman by now. I suspect 1/2 of your rampages here are made
to explain your righteous end of things, just in case the FBI is watching.
Your tirades are meant only to keep your ass out of prison.
>
> I agree with 90% of the issue on Stalin that they presented, most of which
> they didn't even write
They lecture on Stalin in political science courses around the country.
Its not a big deal to agree with some points in class. But to live it is not
good.
> - they had quotes from known sources. It was an
> analysis. That is NOT to say that I agree with their anti-white, racist
> lunatic fringe garbage.
Of course not Tani. Just shoot them "illegals" at the border right?
>
> This is what maoists do - so far for them, from the safety of anonymity.
If
> this goes to court, they will be NO LONGER anonymous.
HAHAHAHA boy you are so fuckin st00pid its incredible. Eventually we'll
all read in the paper Tani shot in the forehead, dogs cock cut off and
stuffed in her mouth.
> I'm sure the FBI knows who they are
And then you threw yourself into it. Read the line above again.
- everytime they wrote me another anti-American screed, I
> sent it to them. I signed on to get paid for a damned typing job. Not to
> be harassed.
Tell us Tani does the FBI hang out on the ledge outside of your
apartment. Did they bug your phone. Did they have a little green man
transplant a device into your middle ear while you were asleep? Maybe they
selected you to expose the Maoists? Think about it?
People's Commissar
"7 Come 11" <chali...@boysgym.edu> wrote in message
news:RIR151P137633.8284722222@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org...
> Victor LeNettoyeurT wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Manson wasn't a member either, but
>
> > > Levay ordained him a reverend on the spot.
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > Tani Jantsang is compared to Charlie Manson over on your horror
newsgroup?
>
> > In many ways I am not surprised...
>
>
>
> Great! Now Tani is going to claim (with proof no less) that Charles Manson
> is a CoS reverend and continue to do so up until the time that Charlie
comes
> on here and denies it. You know it works that way, don't you?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Kori Houghton
> I'm in favor of living wages, health care
> for CITIZENS. ONLY citizens.
Uhhh, not so fast. Didn't you say in another post that you shop at
WAL-MART? You know, the WAL-MART that is being sued for forcing their
employees to work "off the clock" -- in other words, for no pay!!! --
in a bunch of states? A fine example of "power to the working people"
eh, Tani?
Kori
Ben Schultz
Please see in text...
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:46:18 -0500, "People's Commissar"
<tanija...@www.com> wrote:
>Um, claiming that I was ever a member of an extremely anti-Ameridcan and pro
>terrorist organization - and they say that in writing in their Theory
>issues - is extreme libel, Ben. It's dangerous libel.
MIM may indeed by libel, but only if you can prove that the people
making these statements knew that you were not a member, and said such
things with malicious intent. That is a very difficult thing to prove.
>
>Sure, I got into fights on here. But these idiots obsess for over 2 years?
>Heh. That's their life then. Ignoring them doesn't do a bit of good. It's
>their obsession, after all.
Ignoring them? For how long? A few hours? a day? a week?
>
>See in.
>
>"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
>news:vldq1voqr488o5cmd...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Proletariat,
>>
>> As I have said a hundred times, you can not somehow absolve Tani from
>> her responsibility in the constant on line "battle royal." Well you
>> can, but I would question your motivation and intelligence if you did.
>
>Lately, I'm hardly here, Ben. It would seem that my point was proven. I
>wanted to see, for instance, what Kori would actuall DO if I challenged her
>on her Zeena issue. And so I got to see it. You do realize, I have no use
>for Zeena or Nick? None at all. Yeah, you know that. But I got to see
>what a person does when DISagreement comes their way. Viola! It makes for
>an interesting study. The facts at least are real, legit. heh.
Sure I know, but this proves my point. You created conflicted which
you intended to get a specific response from. How can you be upset
when your experiment bears fruit?
>>
>> Tani has done her fair share of instigating. The SRs have five
>> "unfortunate necessary statements" on their web page.
>
>FIVE? I'll have to check that. Well, you see, so long as their "known old
>time supporters, if not actual members" keep obsessing on me and
>netstalking, those statements stay up there. And you have to admit, they
>have been doing this for over 2 years. Yes? Yes. You are always blind to
>that - for some reason.
>>
> Furthermore, Tani has made herself a "public figure" in the "Satanic
>> Community." As such, the standards which libel are judged are a bit
>> different than they would be for the average person.
>
>I am not a public figure. I'm a tax-paying private citizen under the laws.
No you are not. You are one of the leaders of a Satanic organization.
You can't claim to be merely a private citizen any more than Jerry
Falwell or Pat Robertson.
>>
>> "A public figure may be an elected or appointed or someone who has
>> stepped into a public controversy. Public figures have a "harder road
>> to toll" than the average person since they must prove that the party
>> defaming them knew the statements were false, made them with actual
>> malice, or was negligent in saying or writing them. Proving these
>> elements makes the chance of a successful lawsuit slim."
>
>Lawsuits do not count for anything unless damage is done. That's the facts.
>Accusing me of being a member of a pro-terrorist organization has not caused
>harm YET. Should it cause harm, you'll hear about it on CNN, I'm sure.
>Having the MIM's accuse me of being Archie Bunker is rather a compliment,
>considering what the MIM advocate doing. Suggest you read their theory
>issues and see what provoked me to become like Archie Bunker. I never, at
>any time, joined them or agreed with their stances or agendas. I agreed 90%
>with stuff they didn't even write - but which they did publish - written by
>other neutral people.
>>
>>
>> And don't give me that "she didn't start it" crap. You can yell, kick,
>> and scream about who threw the first stone all you want. As in any
>> conflict, the first stone is not nearly as important as the last one.
>
>Yes, it is. Take note, Ben - and eat your words.
>
<<< gets out the note pad & ketchup... Ok, I'm ready... >>>
>> I understand that Tani and the CoS get along like oil and water. But,
>> as hard as this may be to believe, I do think that it is possible for
>> someone to disagree with Tani and not be a "CoS lackey."
>
>What's your reading comp?
Well I haven't been tested for comprehension since my senior year of
High School, so I don't have any current numeric data for you.
However, I am willing to bet that it is still well with in "normal"
parameters if not above.
>They claim to be in cahoots and claim to have
>been in the "know" with high ups in the CoS - and then they portray both
>LaVey and Barton in the most hateful terms. What I put up on Barton shows
>her to be the opposite of what they claim she is, in case you did NOT notice
>that. But the "New-Barton" is another matter - the "fake Barton." The
>"Barton" they claim she always was. And so.....
>
Just in case you did not know it, if the CoS were to be able to prove
that even one prospective member decided not to turn in their $100
based on things that you have said on line, they do have a libel suit
against you... Even using your definition above.
>> As for this crap about her "Magistra" title, I have openly stated that
>> Tani told me not to use it when speaking to her, and never used it
>> when talking to me. That, however, does not preclude her membership in
>> the organization.
>
>As a legal fact, Ben, I was never a member of that organization. Legal
>fact. Neither is Manson. LaVey handed out the titles, like that or not.
>Legally, I was not a member, had no authority in it, had no duties in it,
>nothing. Legally. Yes, I checked!
Magistrates & Priests can speak on behalf of the CoS. As stated on the
CoS web site, "These are the individuals who act as spokespersons for
the philosophy of the Church of Satan, which include the titles of
Priest/Priestess, Magister/Magistra."
Obviously MIM thought you spoke for the CoS. The article that is
quoted on here was titled "Church of Satan reveals its true colors."
What does that tell you?
Of course, this was edited out during your revision of "[your]
Official Stance." However, your previous version stated...
""When I had to get the storm troopers to talk this last year (2000),
I used it since it would work (did work) to get these idiots to talk
and spill the shit; and what a pile of shit there was. After all, they
belonged to a hierarchy and a dictatorship - and, in their minds, I
was one of the hierarchs. I despised them from the pit of my being for
that. They are despicable."
But even your new "Official Stance" states, in regards to your
authority, "That some of the members thought it did is too bad."
Authority is a matter of perception. Obviously you had it.
>>
>> Hypothetically, if I were to accept a commission as a lieutenant in
>> the US Army, few people would believe that I was not a member of that
>> group even if I had not enlisted prior to the commission. By accepting
>> a position of authority in the organization, I would have accepted
>> membership by proxy.
>
>The point is, the title came with absolutely NO position of authority of any
>kind, just as Manson's has no authority. Figure it out. Repeat, I checked.
>I never used it on anything I seriously wrote, or sold (sell). Another
>fact. That means it is not accepted. Usenet doesn't count in lieu of the
>way I "used" that title.
See my comments above regarding your lack of authority...
>>
>> Here is another example for you. About two years ago a former coworker
>> of mine called me up. He had gotten a new job heading a small fleet of
>> trucks and offered me the title of "Dispatch Supervisor." By accepting
>> that title, I also accepted the job that went with it.
>
>That's the point, Ben. Magisters have DUTIES in the CoS. Quite a few of
>them. I never had any such duties OR authority. POINT - get it?
>
So you never had duties? Then I would count yourself as lucky...
>> I am sure no one wants Tani to have "never been a member" more than
>> the CoS. They, unlike Tani, took the first logical step in making the
>> whole fiasco a distant memory - they don't talk about it.
>
>They do nothing to stop their active supporters, people they invited into
>the organization, people who speak with authority, from doing their flaming
>for them.
Again, how do you expect any organization to react? Look at how you
react when people say things, true or not, about the reds. how can you
expect any group to behave differently.
Does the CoS have the SR-Files? Does the CoS have one, much less five,
"unfortunate necessary statements" about your organization? So who's
doing the instigating?
>Don't even try to deny it. They feed them false information with
>which to try to slander, they spew falsehoods, not just opinions - outright
>falsehoods. Some of their "loyal members" outright tell me what's going on.
>Tish tish! Hey, the attack dogs are killfiled.
That's an intelligent move. So since they are kill filed we won't see
anymore of this flame war, on your end at least?
>
>So, as I said, I'm not playing. OK, I answered you. You deal with 10% of
>the facts, too. And, you admit you don't even read their posts so you are
>not in any position to know. Brendan is rarely on here, Ben. He's BUSY.
>I'm on here, ok, today, 20 minutes.
Sure, I don't read every post on here. I have admitted as much. I only
read the posts from people whose opinions I respect, and if I find the
post particularly interesting, I back track and read the thread. But
it doesn't take a five year study of usenet to draw a reasonable
conclusion about human behavior.
People's Commissar
rest of it.
Unions are needed. Repeat that concept - what I'm in favor of is in 10
statements in the Sr org. A living wage would be about 15 bucks an hour or
more. That is, minimum wage would be 15 bucks an hour. In favor of. Grasp
the concept. In favor of. If the worker wages had kept up with the
corporate do-nothing wages, they'd be 27 bucks an hour. I don't see workers
organizing to fight for this. I see corporations don't have to obey the
laws of the land as do the non-corporations - i.e., workers. They can turn
coat on workers and still reep the benefits of US benefits. NATIONALIZE
THEM. Force them to stay here and hire here - or else. I don't see anyone
doing it. But I'm in favor of it.
That does NOT mean that we have it, or are even close to organizing to get
it.
I'm also in favor of progressive pro people technologies. It doesn't mean
we have them. YET. I also drive a car, you blithering fool. I'm in favor
of fuel cell technology - and against the gas/oil crap. Yousee a
contradiction? I don't. You would, being the hyper super duper moral twit
you are - idealistic fool.
Now you are groping, Kori. Groping to find something to bitch about. Feel
good? Hope so.
Fuck off. Go bitch and whine at someone else. You are the very thing you
accused the Foetid Four of being. Glad you are welcome at their lunch
table.
"Kori Houghton" <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6db9a636.03011...@posting.google.com...
People's Commissar
said was that there was a clear and dangerous threat - and the cops said the
same thing. That's a whole other matter. Eventually, the internet will be
regulated due to the malicious intent (oh yes, it's malicious) of twits like
these - considering that what these twits do is tame compared to other
groups.
"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
news:n6442v0b16abbbp89...@4ax.com...
>
> Please see in text...
>
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:46:18 -0500, "People's Commissar"
> <tanija...@www.com> wrote:
>
> >Um, claiming that I was ever a member of an extremely anti-Ameridcan and
pro
> >terrorist organization - and they say that in writing in their Theory
> >issues - is extreme libel, Ben. It's dangerous libel.
>
> MIM may indeed by libel, but only if you can prove that the people
> making these statements knew that you were not a member,
The MIM knows god damned well I was never a member of their organization,
for shit's sakes. They even whined to Gilmore a few times for which he
ripped them another asshole. They insanely thought I could change something
LaVey wrote in that organization - and when I said that was not possible and
refused to even try, they commenced with their progrom. If you ever read
the shit they wrote you'd come off like Archie Bunker times 100 against it.
and said such
> things with malicious intent. That is a very difficult thing to prove.
Blah blah, so long as no one gets hurt. The minute a person gets hurt -
then it is no longer blah blah. Jeff's contact saw most of what was written
to him as a death threat. Period. What they think matters. What you think
does not matter.
>
> >
> >Sure, I got into fights on here. But these idiots obsess for over 2
years?
> >Heh. That's their life then. Ignoring them doesn't do a bit of good.
It's
> >their obsession, after all.
>
> Ignoring them? For how long? A few hours? a day? a week?
Most of them are killfiled. Yet they persist. You are so fucking biased
it's laughable.
>
> >
> >See in.
> >
> >"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
> >news:vldq1voqr488o5cmd...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> Proletariat,
> >>
> >> As I have said a hundred times, you can not somehow absolve Tani from
> >> her responsibility in the constant on line "battle royal." Well you
> >> can, but I would question your motivation and intelligence if you did.
> >
> >Lately, I'm hardly here, Ben. It would seem that my point was proven. I
> >wanted to see, for instance, what Kori would actuall DO if I challenged
her
> >on her Zeena issue. And so I got to see it. You do realize, I have no
use
> >for Zeena or Nick? None at all. Yeah, you know that. But I got to see
> >what a person does when DISagreement comes their way. Viola! It makes
for
> >an interesting study. The facts at least are real, legit. heh.
>
> Sure I know, but this proves my point. You created conflicted which
> you intended to get a specific response from. How can you be upset
> when your experiment bears fruit?
I created no such thing. I didn't want to hear the petty, trivial, bitching
shit and whining. Bottom line on my statement - THEY are not in SR - ergo I
don't give a fuck what they do. Imagine it, whining over something that
doesn't even concern her - Zeena of all things. WHY? What did Zeena DO to
her? Aside from absoluteluy nothing?
>
> >>
> >> Tani has done her fair share of instigating. The SRs have five
> >> "unfortunate necessary statements" on their web page.
> >
> >FIVE? I'll have to check that. Well, you see, so long as their "known
old
> >time supporters, if not actual members" keep obsessing on me and
> >netstalking, those statements stay up there. And you have to admit, they
> >have been doing this for over 2 years. Yes? Yes. You are always blind
to
> >that - for some reason.
> >>
> > Furthermore, Tani has made herself a "public figure" in the "Satanic
> >> Community." As such, the standards which libel are judged are a bit
> >> different than they would be for the average person.
> >
> >I am not a public figure. I'm a tax-paying private citizen under the
laws.
>
> No you are not. You are one of the leaders of a Satanic organization.
> You can't claim to be merely a private citizen any more than Jerry
> Falwell or Pat Robertson.
Rubbish.
More rubbish. Egan is directly responsible for in fact, provably so, taking
MANY members away from them. The CoS has done nothingl. Egan uses their
sigil. Egan uses their organization title in his org AND on his own
website. The CoS can't do anything about it. You got eyes? The Christians
are responsible for also taking many members away from them, as are the
Wiccans of many striped (including Dark path wiccans). Facts. We have a
POLITICAL agenda - one has to agree to that to even join SR. People that
tend to agree with that would not bother with the CoS in the first place.
Get real.
>
> >> As for this crap about her "Magistra" title, I have openly stated that
> >> Tani told me not to use it when speaking to her, and never used it
> >> when talking to me. That, however, does not preclude her membership in
> >> the organization.
> >
> >As a legal fact, Ben, I was never a member of that organization. Legal
> >fact. Neither is Manson. LaVey handed out the titles, like that or not.
> >Legally, I was not a member, had no authority in it, had no duties in it,
> >nothing. Legally. Yes, I checked!
>
> Magistrates & Priests can speak on behalf of the CoS. As stated on the
> CoS web site, "These are the individuals who act as spokespersons for
> the philosophy of the Church of Satan, which include the titles of
> Priest/Priestess, Magister/Magistra."
Wrong - I never, not at any time, had that permission or duty. PERIOD. Get
that thru your head. The CoS is bound by CORPORATE law - I never was a part
of that corporation.
>
> Obviously MIM thought you spoke for the CoS. The article that is
> quoted on here was titled "Church of Satan reveals its true colors."
> What does that tell you?
MIM knew damned well I did not speak for the CoS - as I told them that 100
times, and so did Brendan and Jeff. None of us spoke for the CoS. We
debated them on their theory issues which had absolutely nothing to do with
satanism. They did that because they wrote to Gilmore and he ripped them a
new asshole for it - twice. MIM knew me merely as a person with no computer
that needed some extra money at the time. They were offering payment for
typing of some rather difficult stuff to read stuff. 9 bucks a page.
Brendan told them I had a word processor but his "dos" or whatever could
convert it. Fact is, my WP could convert it into text that SOME computers
could read. That's it. I agreed with 90% their Stalin issue analysis which
was mostly written not by them but by old eye witnesses. I agreed with 90%
of what Huey Newton had to say (that's what I was typing, that stuff, to
preserve it into etext). They could not possibly have thought I agreed with
their theory issues since everything I ever wrote BY THEIR REQUEST THEY
ASKED FOR DEBATE - was AGAINST it. So they lied. Period. They lied to try
to "GET" the CoS. It's the CoS they are bitching at, for the most part, on
the pentagonal issue of eugenics. They were bitching at me when I first got
online about that issue, as if I could possibly DO something about it.
So that's what MAOISTS do when they have no power to do MORE to a person -
when a person refuses to do as they order, or agree with them. Interesting
lesson about Maoism I got there. Conclusion: Maoism is TOTALITARIANISM.
Period. They are so secretive. The god damned morons. They sent me CASH
in the mail for payments of typing. CASH, hundreds of bucks of it. Stupid
fucks. They didn't know me, they didn't know anything about me - yet they
wrote me letters speaking of exterminating white people? They did NOT
expect me to send it to the Feds? No? Stupid fucks. Got any idea how easy
it would be for a Fed to infiltrate them? All the Fed would have to do is
say "I agree with most of your Stalin issue. I like what Huey Newton is
saying." All the Fed would have to do is play along. Can they possibly be
THAT stupid? I didn't play along. I debated them.
>
> Of course, this was edited out during your revision of "[your]
> Official Stance." However, your previous version stated...
? I didn't edit anything.
>
> ""When I had to get the storm troopers to talk this last year (2000),
> I used it since it would work (did work) to get these idiots to talk
> and spill the shit; and what a pile of shit there was. After all, they
> belonged to a hierarchy and a dictatorship - and, in their minds, I
> was one of the hierarchs. I despised them from the pit of my being for
> that. They are despicable."
>
> But even your new "Official Stance" states, in regards to your
> authority, "That some of the members thought it did is too bad."
> Authority is a matter of perception. Obviously you had it.
I had no authority - and neither did Nagy as one member found out easily
enough by just ASKING Gilmore. Duh. I didn't edit anything. That should
still be there.
>
>
> >>
> >> Hypothetically, if I were to accept a commission as a lieutenant in
> >> the US Army, few people would believe that I was not a member of that
> >> group even if I had not enlisted prior to the commission. By accepting
> >> a position of authority in the organization, I would have accepted
> >> membership by proxy.
> >
> >The point is, the title came with absolutely NO position of authority of
any
> >kind, just as Manson's has no authority. Figure it out. Repeat, I
checked.
> >I never used it on anything I seriously wrote, or sold (sell). Another
> >fact. That means it is not accepted. Usenet doesn't count in lieu of
the
> >way I "used" that title.
>
> See my comments above regarding your lack of authority...
They needed only to ask. That's what one gets for having serf mentality in
the first place - which IS my freaking point.
>
> >>
> >> Here is another example for you. About two years ago a former coworker
> >> of mine called me up. He had gotten a new job heading a small fleet of
> >> trucks and offered me the title of "Dispatch Supervisor." By accepting
> >> that title, I also accepted the job that went with it.
> >
> >That's the point, Ben. Magisters have DUTIES in the CoS. Quite a few of
> >them. I never had any such duties OR authority. POINT - get it?
> >
>
> So you never had duties? Then I would count yourself as lucky...
>
> >> I am sure no one wants Tani to have "never been a member" more than
> >> the CoS. They, unlike Tani, took the first logical step in making the
> >> whole fiasco a distant memory - they don't talk about it.
> >
> >They do nothing to stop their active supporters, people they invited into
> >the organization, people who speak with authority, from doing their
flaming
> >for them.
>
> Again, how do you expect any organization to react? Look at how you
> react when people say things, true or not, about the reds. how can you
> expect any group to behave differently.
>
> Does the CoS have the SR-Files? Does the CoS have one, much less five,
> "unfortunate necessary statements" about your organization? So who's
> doing the instigating?
That went up there due to the flaming they did. That was not ORIGINALLY on
our website when it first went up. It got there due to their direct
actions. Period. Now - they have their "allies" continueing where they
left off. Prior to their repeated trouble starting - NOTHING about them was
up there.
>
> >Don't even try to deny it. They feed them false information with
> >which to try to slander, they spew falsehoods, not just opinions -
outright
> >falsehoods. Some of their "loyal members" outright tell me what's going
on.
> >Tish tish! Hey, the attack dogs are killfiled.
>
> That's an intelligent move. So since they are kill filed we won't see
> anymore of this flame war, on your end at least?
What flame war, Ben? Killfiles don't work on the pretend trolls from
prodigy.net and other sources that do their work for them. They waged a 25
year organizational war against another organization. Don't think I don't
forget that. I have seen NO CoS members on here posting lately, except a
few and yeah, they had to bitch for no freaking reason. They feed false bs
to their unpaid rage-trolls on here - oh yeah, they do. Some of their
loyalists wish it would stop. Well, they can stop it. Fine by me. You
focus on "cos the org." Sorry, that doesn't cut it. They have non-member
may-as-well-be-member allies - and I know damned well about it. You don't?
Gee Ben, guess you aren't in the loop.
>
> >
> >So, as I said, I'm not playing. OK, I answered you. You deal with 10%
of
> >the facts, too. And, you admit you don't even read their posts so you
are
> >not in any position to know. Brendan is rarely on here, Ben. He's BUSY.
> >I'm on here, ok, today, 20 minutes.
>
> Sure, I don't read every post on here. I have admitted as much. I only
> read the posts from people whose opinions I respect, and if I find the
> post particularly interesting, I back track and read the thread. But
> it doesn't take a five year study of usenet to draw a reasonable
> conclusion about human behavior.
I don't consider that human behavior. My point.
Ben Schultz
Please see in text...
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:53:14 -0500, "People's Commissar"
<tj...@post.com> wrote:
>See in Ben - you are wrong. Screw libel suits. What my criminal attorney
>said was that there was a clear and dangerous threat - and the cops said the
>same thing. That's a whole other matter. Eventually, the internet will be
>regulated due to the malicious intent (oh yes, it's malicious) of twits like
>these - considering that what these twits do is tame compared to other
>groups.
Clear dangers are usually investigated by the police.
>
>"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
>news:n6442v0b16abbbp89...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Please see in text...
>>
>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:46:18 -0500, "People's Commissar"
>> <tanija...@www.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Um, claiming that I was ever a member of an extremely anti-Ameridcan and
>pro
>> >terrorist organization - and they say that in writing in their Theory
>> >issues - is extreme libel, Ben. It's dangerous libel.
>>
>> MIM may indeed by libel, but only if you can prove that the people
>> making these statements knew that you were not a member,
>
>The MIM knows god damned well I was never a member of their organization,
>for shit's sakes. They even whined to Gilmore a few times for which he
>ripped them another asshole. They insanely thought I could change something
>LaVey wrote in that organization - and when I said that was not possible and
>refused to even try, they commenced with their progrom. If you ever read
>the shit they wrote you'd come off like Archie Bunker times 100 against it.
I may indeed.
>
>
>and said such
>> things with malicious intent. That is a very difficult thing to prove.
>
>Blah blah, so long as no one gets hurt. The minute a person gets hurt -
>then it is no longer blah blah. Jeff's contact saw most of what was written
>to him as a death threat. Period. What they think matters. What you think
>does not matter.
Actually, unless they are willing and able to do something about it,
their opinions matter just as little as mine.
>>
>> >
>> >Sure, I got into fights on here. But these idiots obsess for over 2
>years?
>> >Heh. That's their life then. Ignoring them doesn't do a bit of good.
>It's
>> >their obsession, after all.
>>
>> Ignoring them? For how long? A few hours? a day? a week?
>
>Most of them are killfiled. Yet they persist. You are so fucking biased
>it's laughable.
How do you know they persist if they're kill-filed? And what does it
matter if they're kill-filed?
>>
>> >
>> >See in.
>> >
>> >"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
>> >news:vldq1voqr488o5cmd...@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >> Proletariat,
>> >>
>> >> As I have said a hundred times, you can not somehow absolve Tani from
>> >> her responsibility in the constant on line "battle royal." Well you
>> >> can, but I would question your motivation and intelligence if you did.
>> >
>> >Lately, I'm hardly here, Ben. It would seem that my point was proven. I
>> >wanted to see, for instance, what Kori would actuall DO if I challenged
>her
>> >on her Zeena issue. And so I got to see it. You do realize, I have no
>use
>> >for Zeena or Nick? None at all. Yeah, you know that. But I got to see
>> >what a person does when DISagreement comes their way. Viola! It makes
>for
>> >an interesting study. The facts at least are real, legit. heh.
>>
>> Sure I know, but this proves my point. You created conflicted which
>> you intended to get a specific response from. How can you be upset
>> when your experiment bears fruit?
>
>I created no such thing. I didn't want to hear the petty, trivial, bitching
>shit and whining. Bottom line on my statement - THEY are not in SR - ergo I
>don't give a fuck what they do. Imagine it, whining over something that
>doesn't even concern her - Zeena of all things. WHY? What did Zeena DO to
>her? Aside from absoluteluy nothing?
You didn't? Not 20 lines above you make this statement: " I wanted to
see, for instance, what Kori would actuall DO if I challenged her on
her Zeena issue. And so I got to see it."
I know you have questioned my ability to read and comprehend, but it
would seem to me that you are quite clearly indicating that you
created conflict (i.e "challenged").
My comment wasn't about Zeena. I couldn't care less what the conflict
itself was about. The important part of my comment was that you
instigated it.
>>
>> >>
>> >> Tani has done her fair share of instigating. The SRs have five
>> >> "unfortunate necessary statements" on their web page.
>> >
>> >FIVE? I'll have to check that. Well, you see, so long as their "known
>old
>> >time supporters, if not actual members" keep obsessing on me and
>> >netstalking, those statements stay up there. And you have to admit, they
>> >have been doing this for over 2 years. Yes? Yes. You are always blind
>to
>> >that - for some reason.
>> >>
>> > Furthermore, Tani has made herself a "public figure" in the "Satanic
>> >> Community." As such, the standards which libel are judged are a bit
>> >> different than they would be for the average person.
>> >
>> >I am not a public figure. I'm a tax-paying private citizen under the
>laws.
>>
>> No you are not. You are one of the leaders of a Satanic organization.
>> You can't claim to be merely a private citizen any more than Jerry
>> Falwell or Pat Robertson.
>
>Rubbish.
Funny, that's what my lawyer told me... Apparently your lawyers read
from a different set of laws. And all this time I thought you were
talking about suits in the good ol' US of A.
<<< SNIPPED entire paragraphs for the sake of brevity >>>
>>
>>
>> Just in case you did not know it, if the CoS were to be able to prove
>> that even one prospective member decided not to turn in their $100
>> based on things that you have said on line, they do have a libel suit
>> against you... Even using your definition above.
>
>More rubbish. Egan is directly responsible for in fact, provably so, taking
>MANY members away from them. The CoS has done nothingl. Egan uses their
>sigil. Egan uses their organization title in his org AND on his own
>website. The CoS can't do anything about it. You got eyes? The Christians
>are responsible for also taking many members away from them, as are the
>Wiccans of many striped (including Dark path wiccans). Facts. We have a
>POLITICAL agenda - one has to agree to that to even join SR. People that
>tend to agree with that would not bother with the CoS in the first place.
>Get real.
TJ, there is a distinct difference between can't do anything about it.
and isn't doing anything about it. Just as there is a difference
between being guilty of a crime and being accused of one. The CoS may
have reasons as to why they are not pursuing the issue. I don't know.
And neither do you...
There are people on here that have been accused, by you, of making
death threats against both Jeff and yourself. Yet these individuals
are still free to roam the streets. Why is that?
By your logic, because you haven't done anything to them, you must be
unable to do so. If the police really believed that your life was in
danger, something would have been done. A restraining order perhaps...
Possibly even a full investigation.
>>
>> >> As for this crap about her "Magistra" title, I have openly stated that
>> >> Tani told me not to use it when speaking to her, and never used it
>> >> when talking to me. That, however, does not preclude her membership in
>> >> the organization.
>> >
>> >As a legal fact, Ben, I was never a member of that organization. Legal
>> >fact. Neither is Manson. LaVey handed out the titles, like that or not.
>> >Legally, I was not a member, had no authority in it, had no duties in it,
>> >nothing. Legally. Yes, I checked!
>>
>> Magistrates & Priests can speak on behalf of the CoS. As stated on the
>> CoS web site, "These are the individuals who act as spokespersons for
>> the philosophy of the Church of Satan, which include the titles of
>> Priest/Priestess, Magister/Magistra."
>
>Wrong - I never, not at any time, had that permission or duty. PERIOD. Get
>that thru your head. The CoS is bound by CORPORATE law - I never was a part
>of that corporation.
Then why the interest in them?
Seriously, if the CoS meant nothing to you... If the title was a
joke... Why? Why the CoS files? Why five statements that you feel are
"necessary" to chastise a group you care nothing about?
Wow... News flash... I couldn't care less... My comment was directed
at the fact that MIM obviously thought you had some level of
authority. Anything else about this little argument means nothing to
me. I don't give a shit if you were an aid to the chairman himself.
>>
>> Of course, this was edited out during your revision of "[your]
>> Official Stance." However, your previous version stated...
>
>? I didn't edit anything.
<cough> Bullshit <cough>
The original statement Reds' web page used to contain this little
quote: "LaVeyan references will be in bold. We use these references
because these are the only references to show that such things are
'Satanic.'" This sentence along with several others have since gone
the way of the dinosaur.
Don't get me wrong, that's a great first step in separating yourself
from LaVey and the CoS. Unfortunately, the effort seems to have
stopped there...
>>
>> ""When I had to get the storm troopers to talk this last year (2000),
>> I used it since it would work (did work) to get these idiots to talk
>> and spill the shit; and what a pile of shit there was. After all, they
>> belonged to a hierarchy and a dictatorship - and, in their minds, I
>> was one of the hierarchs. I despised them from the pit of my being for
>> that. They are despicable."
>>
>> But even your new "Official Stance" states, in regards to your
>> authority, "That some of the members thought it did is too bad."
>> Authority is a matter of perception. Obviously you had it.
>
>I had no authority - and neither did Nagy as one member found out easily
>enough by just ASKING Gilmore. Duh. I didn't edit anything. That should
>still be there.
It may be, but I couldn't find it... Admittedly, I didn't spend a
whole lot of time either. If it's still there, so much the better.
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> Hypothetically, if I were to accept a commission as a lieutenant in
>> >> the US Army, few people would believe that I was not a member of that
>> >> group even if I had not enlisted prior to the commission. By accepting
>> >> a position of authority in the organization, I would have accepted
>> >> membership by proxy.
>> >
>> >The point is, the title came with absolutely NO position of authority of
>any
>> >kind, just as Manson's has no authority. Figure it out. Repeat, I
>checked.
>> >I never used it on anything I seriously wrote, or sold (sell). Another
>> >fact. That means it is not accepted. Usenet doesn't count in lieu of
>the
>> >way I "used" that title.
>>
>> See my comments above regarding your lack of authority...
>
>They needed only to ask. That's what one gets for having serf mentality in
>the first place - which IS my freaking point.
My point was that people believed you to have authority. And that's
all that matters. Authority is always granted by the people who are
subject to it. Governments derive their authority from the populous.
Organizations derive their authority from their members.
If the members believed you had authority, you had it. I even think I
recall you making the comment somewhere that you were gathering
information at Peggy Nadramia's request... The implication of
authority is quite clear.
<<< SNIPPED more stuff >>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> Again, how do you expect any organization to react? Look at how you
>> react when people say things, true or not, about the reds. how can you
>> expect any group to behave differently.
>>
>> Does the CoS have the SR-Files? Does the CoS have one, much less five,
>> "unfortunate necessary statements" about your organization? So who's
>> doing the instigating?
>
>That went up there due to the flaming they did. That was not ORIGINALLY on
>our website when it first went up. It got there due to their direct
>actions. Period. Now - they have their "allies" continueing where they
>left off. Prior to their repeated trouble starting - NOTHING about them was
>up there.
Personally, I think the mere fact that it is on the page, regardless
of the reason, speaks volumes. Even Egan doesn't have as many CoS
references on his page as the Reds do.
>>
>> >Don't even try to deny it. They feed them false information with
>> >which to try to slander, they spew falsehoods, not just opinions -
>outright
>> >falsehoods. Some of their "loyal members" outright tell me what's going
>on.
>> >Tish tish! Hey, the attack dogs are killfiled.
>>
>> That's an intelligent move. So since they are kill filed we won't see
>> anymore of this flame war, on your end at least?
>
>What flame war, Ben? Killfiles don't work on the pretend trolls from
>prodigy.net and other sources that do their work for them. They waged a 25
>year organizational war against another organization. Don't think I don't
>forget that. I have seen NO CoS members on here posting lately, except a
>few and yeah, they had to bitch for no freaking reason. They feed false bs
>to their unpaid rage-trolls on here - oh yeah, they do. Some of their
>loyalists wish it would stop. Well, they can stop it. Fine by me. You
>focus on "cos the org." Sorry, that doesn't cut it. They have non-member
>may-as-well-be-member allies - and I know damned well about it. You don't?
>Gee Ben, guess you aren't in the loop.
Sorry to say Tani, but your focus on "CoS the world wide conspiracy"
doesn't cut it either. Again, I don't think one needs to be in the CoS
to disagree with you.
>>
>> >
>> >So, as I said, I'm not playing. OK, I answered you. You deal with 10%
>of
>> >the facts, too. And, you admit you don't even read their posts so you
>are
>> >not in any position to know. Brendan is rarely on here, Ben. He's BUSY.
>> >I'm on here, ok, today, 20 minutes.
>>
>> Sure, I don't read every post on here. I have admitted as much. I only
>> read the posts from people whose opinions I respect, and if I find the
>> post particularly interesting, I back track and read the thread. But
>> it doesn't take a five year study of usenet to draw a reasonable
>> conclusion about human behavior.
>
>I don't consider that human behavior. My point.
First off all, what behavior are you referring to? And, what type of
behavior is it? In order to properly debate the issue, I think we need
to define exactly what we are discussing. Since you are as guilty of
the behavior I was referencing as the next guy, please enlighten me.
Ben Schultz
See, this is a thread I am now watching, so now I see your statements
here, and choose to respond.
Please see in text...
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:23:40 -0500, "People's Commissar"
<tj...@post.com> wrote:
>Are you that stupid? I'm in favor of - living wages, repeat 10 times the
>rest of it.
First of all, you and I have discussed this previously. What you are
after is NOT a "living wage." What you want is a minimum wage which
will allow people to live in a manner which you approve of. Despite
what you may think, it is possible for people to "live" on minimum
wage.
The problem with raising minimum wage is that the price of base
commodities increases as well.
If a farmer must now pay his hired help $15 an hour, milk will cost a
lot more than $2.00 a gallon. The price will further increase because
the grocery store owner now has to pay his stock boys and cashiers $15
an hour. Gas prices will soar.
The other problem inherent in this type of wage increase is that those
who are already in the workforce will not get a comparable increase.
The employ who is currently making $20 an hour, will still be making
$20 an hour. However, the difference between this veteran employ and
someone fresh off the street has greatly diminished.
It's simple economics.
>
>Unions are needed. Repeat that concept - what I'm in favor of is in 10
>statements in the Sr org. A living wage would be about 15 bucks an hour or
>more. That is, minimum wage would be 15 bucks an hour. In favor of. Grasp
>the concept. In favor of. If the worker wages had kept up with the
>corporate do-nothing wages, they'd be 27 bucks an hour.
You know my feelings on unions. They're parasitic. They drain money
away from the employees faster than Uncle Sam. And have long out lived
their usefulness. It's employee sanctioned robbery.
Could you please define "corporate do-nothings" for me. As someone who
has worked on both sides of the desk, I can tell you, with out a
doubt, that office work can be more demanding that physical labor.
>I don't see workers
>organizing to fight for this. I see corporations don't have to obey the
>laws of the land as do the non-corporations - i.e., workers. They can turn
>coat on workers and still reep the benefits of US benefits. NATIONALIZE
>THEM. Force them to stay here and hire here - or else. I don't see anyone
>doing it. But I'm in favor of it.
This is funny... Do you know what's going to happen when you get your
$15 increase? Corporations are going to leave. Because, if they don't,
they will go bankrupt. If you force them to stay, they'll dissolve and
leave thousands of people out of work. You will have created the next
great depression. And the US will become a third world nation.
>
>That does NOT mean that we have it, or are even close to organizing to get
>it.
>
>I'm also in favor of progressive pro people technologies. It doesn't mean
>we have them. YET. I also drive a car, you blithering fool. I'm in favor
>of fuel cell technology - and against the gas/oil crap. Yousee a
>contradiction? I don't. You would, being the hyper super duper moral twit
>you are - idealistic fool.
Are you going to throw stones or actually debate the issue?
Kori has a valid point. Wal-Mart is involved in class action law suits
in several states. They refuse to hire union contractors to build
their stores because of the increased cost. They are accused of
forcing their employees to falsify time cards to avoid overtime. They
move into a city and cut their prices to run out the competition, they
raise the prices to normal levels.
All in all, Wal-Mart is the epitome of a well oiled American
corporation. It represents the very opposite of everything you and SR
stand for. Kori simply wants to know how you justify that
contradiction.
And she did not revert to school yard name calling...
>
>Now you are groping, Kori. Groping to find something to bitch about. Feel
>good? Hope so.
>
>Fuck off. Go bitch and whine at someone else. You are the very thing you
>accused the Foetid Four of being. Glad you are welcome at their lunch
>table.
>
>"Kori Houghton" <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6db9a636.03011...@posting.google.com...
>> "People's Commissar" <tanija...@www.com> wrote in message
>news:<v22d2v...@corp.supernews.com>...
>>
>> > I'm in favor of living wages, health care
>> > for CITIZENS. ONLY citizens.
>>
>> Uhhh, not so fast. Didn't you say in another post that you shop at
>> WAL-MART? You know, the WAL-MART that is being sued for forcing their
>> employees to work "off the clock" -- in other words, for no pay!!! --
>> in a bunch of states? A fine example of "power to the working people"
>> eh, Tani?
>>
>> Kori
>
Lisa
in favor of the destruction of the USA. I'm in favor of living wages, health
care for CITIZENS. ONLY citizens.>>
<<So where's the lawyer Tani?>>
Perhaps her lawyer got a look at this document here, posted to this forum by
Phyl of her own free will:
Subject: HERE is tragic/true news
From: "People's Commissar" tanija...@www.com
Date: 9/8/02 4:47 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <unm7edh...@corp.supernews.com>
America in Terror: The War on Islam>>
*********
Or, perhaps he or she viewed this private email, posted to the group:
Subject: FBI Take Note: Tani Jantsang-Saddam Hussein connection
From: xganon rema...@xganon.com
Date: 9/10/02 12:02 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <a782116713baa371...@xganon.com>
*********
Or how 'bout this little charmer?:
Subject: Re: Saddam, formerly OK, destroyed by Bush
From: "People's Commissar" tanija...@www.com
Date: 4/22/02 11:24 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <uc9oi63...@corp.supernews.com>
*********
Or last but certainly not least, this gem:
Subject: Re: Hunts's inability to grasp TENSES
From: "People's Commissar" tanija...@www.com
Date: 4/26/02 4:43 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id: <uci8c7l...@corp.supernews.com>
Now, just between you, me and the other million people on Usenet, I'd say it is
outstandingly BAD strategy to post this type of pro-terrorist stuff and then be
drawing the FBI's attention to posts about slander, libel or anything at all.
Especially these days. How can quoting a person's own posts be either slander
or libel? You can slander or libel *yourself*? Well, who knew.
Phyl: << So much for that. Northern transplants are not "from the deep south"
that is more Maoist distortion and slander. How can anyone believe a word they
have to say - about anything - when they distort things like that >>
Ah, this is interesting news. And good news: the next time someone in Southern
FL posts about *my* living in the South (several hundred miles further north
than they are, even) I'll be able to use the same line of reasoning, since over
half my life was spent in the Frozen Northland, ergo I am "not from the deep
south." Uh-huh....
<<Tjhen they whine that "Tani went to the Feds" - you BET I did. They support
terrorists.>>
See above posts, and make your own decision about who really supports what.
<< If this goes to court, they will be NO LONGER anonymous. >>
Yeah, sure, and the Age of Aquarius is about to dawn, too. To get to court,
Phyl's going to have to find a lawyer willing to take the case. (What case? she
has no case.) And of course, the cash....
<<Likewise they [the FBI] know your association with them and how you became a
hired-hand for the MIM's. [...] Don't you think the FBI knows this?>>
If they don't, they should. They also should know about her rejoicings during
the World Trade Ctr. disaster, her past infiltration of the Black Panthers, her
fawnings over genocidal dictators and her seesawing death threats/invocations
of various police-forces. They're very amusing reading, even for the Feds.
L.
*********
"I can't find "Hanable" posts, did a search, short one, whatever - is that
some kind of Afrocentric thing or whatever? You know? Hannable the
Carthaginian?"
-History of Western Civilisation Part 1 with Phyllis, message-id:
<v1c7sq6...@corp.supernews.com>
Kori Houghton
---Tani-trums Snipped ---
> > >
> > >Lately, I'm hardly here, Ben. It would seem that my point was proven. I
> > >wanted to see, for instance, what Kori would actuall DO if I challenged
> > >her on her Zeena issue. And so I got to see it. You do realize, I
> > >have no use for Zeena or Nick? None at all. Yeah, you know that.
> > >But I got to see what a person does when DISagreement comes their way.
> > >Viola! It makes for an interesting study. The facts at least are
> > >real, legit. heh.
Tani, I have no problem being challenged -- by you or anyone else,
here or in RL -- about any topic. You had discussed Zeena previously
with me in emails, and I knew you were running some new shit up your
flagpole to check for salutes. I admit to having a little fun with
you in the emails. But you are not being straight with Ben here about
where our disagreement started: specifically when you emailed me,
saying I had "no heart" for posting my criticism of Michael Aquino
which mentioned the Dubins. BFD, Tani. It is, in short, none of your
business. It is *not* about *you*. My view is that if one can judge
Lupo as responsible for some *potential* (as opposed to actual)
misunderstanding or involvement with illegality resulting from an
alt.s FAQ, it makes sense to keep one's own 'house' spotlessly clean.
Aquino had always been forthcoming in his answers to questions about
the Presidio, crazies like Blood and Napolis, allegations of incorrect
political leanings in the reading list, yadda yadda. It had always
seemed possible (to me) that the comments about the Dubins were
groundless snide remarks. But lingering questions remain (at least,
for me) about the Larson show and the ASL death curse, the ear story,
the financial misbehavior. Perhaps Setian initiation erases all past
personality flaws, like RC sacramental baptism....but I am not a
believer *^_^*
> >
> > Sure I know, but this proves my point. You created conflicted which
> > you intended to get a specific response from. How can you be upset
> > when your experiment bears fruit?
Ben, I hope you realize that I am not actually angry with Tani. How
can one be angry with someone for being what they are? I do, however,
dislike what Tani has shown herself to be. She is a tiresome old
DramaQueen seeking an audience.
>
> I created no such thing. I didn't want to hear the petty, trivial, bitching
> shit and whining. Bottom line on my statement - THEY are not in SR - ergo I
> don't give a fuck what they do. Imagine it, whining over something that
> doesn't even concern her - Zeena of all things. WHY? What did Zeena DO to
> her? Aside from absoluteluy nothing?
So I ask you, Tani, why do you (as you put it) give a fuck what I
think of Aquino? For the record, I think of him as a human being,
having some likeable -- even admirable -- qualities, as well as
qualities not likeable and far from admirable. What I posted was my
opinion, and I doubt he gives 3 shits and a piss about it.
---SNIP---
> >
> > Obviously MIM thought you spoke for the CoS. The article that is
> > quoted on here was titled "Church of Satan reveals its true colors."
> > What does that tell you?
>
> MIM knew damned well I did not speak for the CoS - as I told them that 100
> times, and so did Brendan and Jeff. None of us spoke for the CoS. We
> debated them on their theory issues which had absolutely nothing to do with
> satanism. They did that because they wrote to Gilmore and he ripped them a
> new asshole for it - twice. MIM knew me merely as a person with no computer
> that needed some extra money at the time. They were offering payment for
> typing of some rather difficult stuff to read stuff. 9 bucks a page.
> Brendan told them I had a word processor but his "dos" or whatever could
> convert it. Fact is, my WP could convert it into text that SOME computers
> could read. That's it. I agreed with 90% their Stalin issue analysis which
> was mostly written not by them but by old eye witnesses. I agreed with 90%
> of what Huey Newton had to say (that's what I was typing, that stuff, to
> preserve it into etext). They could not possibly have thought I agreed with
> their theory issues since everything I ever wrote BY THEIR REQUEST THEY
> ASKED FOR DEBATE - was AGAINST it. So they lied. Period. They lied to try
> to "GET" the CoS. It's the CoS they are bitching at, for the most part, on
> the pentagonal issue of eugenics. They were bitching at me when I first got
> online about that issue, as if I could possibly DO something about it.
What I can't figure out, Tani, is how this MIM group even knew you
were an unofficial/honorary Magistra in CoS. I mean, you say you were
hired to type for them at $9/page, and say you did similar work for
the JWs. Did you tell MIM or the JWs about being a Satanist? If so,
why? How was the CoS even involved with you typing for MIM? It seems
that you may have been up to your usual tricks, baiting people to
disagree with you (or be offended in some way) so you could whip up
some drama, no?
Kori
Ben Schultz
Of course not Kori. Neither am I. I was merely commenting on the
hypocrisy of in her own words "challenging" you to see what would
happen and then ranting about your response. To me it seemed a lot
like hitting a dog with a stick and then crying when you get bit.
On 13 Jan 2003 20:10:15 -0800, koriho...@hotmail.com (Kori
Houghton) wrote:
>> > Sure I know, but this proves my point. You created conflicted which
>> > you intended to get a specific response from. How can you be upset
>> > when your experiment bears fruit?
>
>Ben, I hope you realize that I am not actually angry with Tani. How
>can one be angry with someone for being what they are? I do, however,
>dislike what Tani has shown herself to be. She is a tiresome old
>DramaQueen seeking an audience.
"There are only two things I hate; those who are
intolerant of other people's cultures........
and the Dutch."
- Nigel Powers, Austin Powers in Goldmember
Lisa
may-as-well-be-member allies - and I know damned well about it. You don't?
Gee Ben, guess you aren't in the loop.>>
<<Sorry to say Tani, but your focus on "CoS the world wide conspiracy" doesn't
cut it either. Again, I don't think one needs to be in the CoS to disagree with
you. >>
Just slightly.
Again, I find these continual allegations by the Crone of LeHigh Acres that
somehow she's in almost continual contact with higher-ups in the CoS, who
funnel her information and badmouth her enemies whilst publically proclaiming
to love them is nothing but an attempt to make it appear she 1. has more allies
than she does, and is somehow keeping tabs on her hated enemies Barton and
Gilmore without their knowledge and 2. is more important than she actually is.
There is no "loop" of hers and hasn't been for years. She's pretty well burned
her little "loop" right down to the ground with her past behavior. Seeing her
post private documents here, there & everywhere, what person with even a shred
of sanity left would dare to impart sensitive knowledge to her? She implies
some supersecret "loop" when its a known fact if she gleans one molecule of
ammunition she does not hesitate to post it on a webpage somewhere?
Who is this person, really? Who cares what she does? And more, why should
anyone care? Where is her worldwide cabal of followers who will one day soon
bring the CoS to its knees, and egan too while they're at it? If she has so
much info, why isn't she bringing suit? She always hints but never delivers.
Don't think its not noticed, and if she doesn't know by whom - well, she must
be out of the loop.
L.
People's Commissar
result are not buying product. Living wage is clearly defined as: When the
weekly gross salary is equal to the monthly rent/mortgage. That used to be
the standard, well-known measure of whether or not a person could afford to
live here or there.
You go explain that to the companies raising the costs of water, electricity
and so forth. Or to the auto industry whose sales are going down.
Look, Ben - if my TV breaks, I can go out and pay cash for another one. I
needed a car - guess what? I bought one. I don't owe a cent on it. OK?
(It's NICE!) Anyway... This is not something personal. I'm not even IN
the damned workplace. I'm looking at the future - and seriously worried
about it.
"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
news:tn062v01hhuteiplt...@4ax.com...
People's Commissar
instructed me to shoot if anyone of these "clear dangers" that comes near me
or mine. Simple? yes.
See in.
"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
news:mht52vcbit8cmajv9...@4ax.com...
>
> Please see in text...
>
> On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:53:14 -0500, "People's Commissar"
> <tj...@post.com> wrote:
>
> >See in Ben - you are wrong. Screw libel suits. What my criminal
attorney
> >said was that there was a clear and dangerous threat - and the cops said
the
> >same thing. That's a whole other matter. Eventually, the internet will
be
> >regulated due to the malicious intent (oh yes, it's malicious) of twits
like
> >these - considering that what these twits do is tame compared to other
> >groups.
>
> Clear dangers are usually investigated by the police.
Two people libeled Yg of the COS on here long ago. She is way more a public
figure than I am. She put an end to it. Question is - HOW? It's
interstate. Another friend of mine in England had the same thing
happening - and he put an end to it and that was overseas.
>
> >
> >"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
> >news:n6442v0b16abbbp89...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> Please see in text...
> >>
> >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 03:46:18 -0500, "People's Commissar"
> >> <tanija...@www.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Um, claiming that I was ever a member of an extremely anti-Ameridcan
and
> >pro
> >> >terrorist organization - and they say that in writing in their Theory
> >> >issues - is extreme libel, Ben. It's dangerous libel.
> >>
> >> MIM may indeed by libel, but only if you can prove that the people
> >> making these statements knew that you were not a member,
> >
> >The MIM knows god damned well I was never a member of their organization,
> >for shit's sakes. They even whined to Gilmore a few times for which he
> >ripped them another asshole. They insanely thought I could change
something
> >LaVey wrote in that organization - and when I said that was not possible
and
> >refused to even try, they commenced with their progrom. If you ever read
> >the shit they wrote you'd come off like Archie Bunker times 100 against
it.
>
> I may indeed.
Try their feminism issue. That's the worst one. Or their "labor
aristocracy" issue and find out how you (a white male) are the epitome of
evil, and blah blah. Do check them out. They are laughable. The analysis
is OK - but heh - the rest is crazy.
>
> >
> >
> >and said such
> >> things with malicious intent. That is a very difficult thing to prove.
> >
> >Blah blah, so long as no one gets hurt. The minute a person gets hurt -
> >then it is no longer blah blah. Jeff's contact saw most of what was
written
> >to him as a death threat. Period. What they think matters. What you
think
> >does not matter.
>
> Actually, unless they are willing and able to do something about it,
> their opinions matter just as little as mine.
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Sure, I got into fights on here. But these idiots obsess for over 2
> >years?
> >> >Heh. That's their life then. Ignoring them doesn't do a bit of good.
> >It's
> >> >their obsession, after all.
> >>
> >> Ignoring them? For how long? A few hours? a day? a week?
> >
> >Most of them are killfiled. Yet they persist. You are so fucking biased
> >it's laughable.
>
> How do you know they persist if they're kill-filed? And what does it
> matter if they're kill-filed?
Those with new nicks are naturally not killfiled. Posting a website with
"Tani was a member of a terrorist group" on there is visible - that can't
get killfiled. I know they persist from what other tell me, too.
People's Commissar
presidio loonies. It definitely sounded that way. You know, all this
affixing of blame is a bunch of bs? He's not at fault that a crazed woman
(a few of them, in fact) obessed over him.
I was straight with you on one main bottom line. The Schrecks are not
members of SR. Therefore, I don't care what they do. They never bothered
me. Bottom line. I don't bother them or bother about them, or concern
myself with them. That was my bottom line.
Your emails were full of "but they rose in the TOS" blah blah. Yes, and who
cares? I care? You care - that's for sure. You clearly tried to go into
how SR is against their fascist stuff. Well, no shit, shirley. Tell me
something I don't know. You tried to influence my opinion for some unknown
reason and I yanked your chain to see, just to see, if you'd turn "petty
bitch" on here. You did. that is ALL I need to know. That is truly all I
need to know.
"Kori Houghton" <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6db9a636.03011...@posting.google.com...
> Tani, I have no problem being challenged -- by you or anyone else,
> here or in RL -- about any topic.
Except when they insist you are Eve. Then you most definitely DO have a
problem with it and you asked me NOT to post your online business
information, despite giving it to me. I never posted it. That should be a
clue.
You had discussed Zeena previously
> with me in emails, and I knew you were running some new shit up your
> flagpole to check for salutes.
You knew no such thing. I played you and you went for it and became the
expected bitch on here. You hated the disagreement. Fyi, I don't know
ANYTHING about the Schrecks in their TOS era. Nothing at all. I have NO
idea if she knows doctrines - NONE. I have NO idea why she rose in the
TOS - nor do I care, Kori. You DO care - that is patently obvious. I did
email both parties and asked one question: I got an answer. I never asked
about it again. But here you are.
I admit to having a little fun with
> you in the emails. But you are not being straight with Ben here about
> where our disagreement started: specifically when you emailed me,
> saying I had "no heart" for posting my criticism of Michael Aquino
> which mentioned the Dubins.
I have the emails. You were siding with the "blame the victim of presidio"
gang. Or so I thought. The rest of it was your blathering about Zeena and
her rise in the ToS. I care? WHY would I care - figure that out. God
woman. What's wrong with you? Fact is, you are trying to get in the back
crack of the Foetid Foursome - but I doubt they will believe you aren't Eve.
Period.
BFD, Tani. It is, in short, none of your
> business. It is *not* about *you*.
No shit, shirley. Glad you figured that out. It's not about me, nor is it
about SR. So why would I give a shit one way or the other? You are
squirming.
My view is that if one can judge
> Lupo as responsible for some *potential* (as opposed to actual)
> misunderstanding or involvement with illegality resulting from an
> alt.s FAQ, it makes sense to keep one's own 'house' spotlessly clean.
The issue back then was not about the other orgs except as a mention like a
footnote. It was about the ONA human sacrifice stuff - and I told you this.
You didn't believe it because you base everything you accept from mere
usenet. The issue was ONA and what they wrote. The new info MA posted
seems to downplay that, or at least it sounds that way. The problem is that
the ONA wasn't posting it. It was hard copy handed out to many people at
the time. What's up there now is way toned down and sounds like something
else (in the ONA).
> Aquino had always been forthcoming in his answers to questions about
> the Presidio, crazies like Blood and Napolis, allegations of incorrect
> political leanings in the reading list, yadda yadda. It had always
> seemed possible (to me) that the comments about the Dubins were
> groundless snide remarks. But lingering questions remain (at least,
> for me) about the Larson show and the ASL death curse, the ear story,
> the financial misbehavior.
Lemme do a Kori on ya. I never saw THAT Larson show. Someone want to show
me a copy of that? I don't know of any financial misbehavior save on
hearsay. Why did anyone lend them money? Duh. I do not lend people
money - NOT EVER. Responsibility eh? Someone subject themselves to being a
creditor. Don't bitch if the debtor goes bankrupt.
Perhaps Setian initiation erases all past
> personality flaws, like RC sacramental baptism....but I am not a
> believer *^_^*
I'm not in a position to know about that (another Kori-ism).
>
> > >
> > > Sure I know, but this proves my point. You created conflicted which
> > > you intended to get a specific response from. How can you be upset
> > > when your experiment bears fruit?
>
> Ben, I hope you realize that I am not actually angry with Tani. How
> can one be angry with someone for being what they are? I do, however,
> dislike what Tani has shown herself to be. She is a tiresome old
> DramaQueen seeking an audience.
I would strongly suggest YOU are that. And the Foedits still think you are
Eve, to boot. The only drama I played was with you - yanking your chain for
whining about the Schrecks and concerning yourself with them and with the
ToS. Deal with it. WHEN, key word, I butted into the foursome's posts, it
was solely due to the fact that persons being included in the RFS silliness
were now SR members and NOT involved in the RFS. That was my reason for
butting in - they wrote me privately and said up front that they were in
disagreement with all of that RFS stuff and the campaign being waged against
MA. So I opened my mouth. I told you that. Now I say it again. It was
NOT due to MA or the ToS needing my defense, for shit's sakes. So you see,
what lil Kori sees as Drama turns out to be strictly an ORGNIZATIONAL
matter. This is not the case for you, however. You were just an enamored
female, now a disillusioned one. I think you really don't realize how
fucking cold I am to all of this shit. It's so fucking nothing. When it
concerns the org - then it's Something. When it concerns provable libel,
it's Something. I didn't "butt in" to defend the ToS - tho I do realize
that this was the only way you could possibly see it. Question this then:
why on earth would I want points from the ToS? YOU are the one that tried
to join it for years and got rejected. OK? Figure it out, Queen. As for
Walter, he's an SR. He's not pro ToS or anti ToS - but in his opinion SR is
SR - and what the ToS does is not our concern. They are NOT our friends.
They are also NOT our foes. Bottom line. Grasp that - for once, try to
grasp that. You allied with me against the foursome - but Kori - YOUR
reasons and motives were personal. Mine were 100% organizational. Big
difference. I told you this at the time. You noised over it; or forgot it.
>
> >
> > I created no such thing. I didn't want to hear the petty, trivial,
bitching
> > shit and whining. Bottom line on my statement - THEY are not in SR -
ergo I
> > don't give a fuck what they do. Imagine it, whining over something that
> > doesn't even concern her - Zeena of all things. WHY? What did Zeena DO
to
> > her? Aside from absoluteluy nothing?
>
> So I ask you, Tani, why do you (as you put it) give a fuck what I
> think of Aquino?
I asked you a simple question at first: are those your genuine posts. It
didn't sound like you and well, heh, you can't tell a lot of times. It did
not sound like you. Nor did I see the foursome pouncing on it.
For the record, I think of him as a human being,
> having some likeable -- even admirable -- qualities, as well as
> qualities not likeable and far from admirable. What I posted was my
> opinion, and I doubt he gives 3 shits and a piss about it.
Right. Now, just kindly convince yourself of that for real. Please do
that.
Someone who was IN the cos and on their "rail list" (it's called that) told
them that. That, and of course there was Vad's website. And I told them
repeatedly, REPEATEDLY, to NOT involve me with that or drag any kind of
"satanism" into this or include anything 'satanic" in my debates as I was
debating them as a lone individual, former union member (AFL-CIO), with no
knowledge of what "economics/politics" the cos had - and at the time I
didn't know. I wasn't even online when this was going on. Repeatedly I
told their "satanic contact" to STOP dialogueing with me as a satanist and I
refused to get into it. I did NOT want to talk about fucking satanism.
Do you know what they did? We had the SR. At the time, we had no sigil and
we did not want to use a Baphomet at all. Wrong sigil. So Ole made a
beautiful sigil. There were fiew things up there that are still on our
website now and well, I didn't see it and at the time (LMAO, funny this) had
no conception of what a website was. Oh, you have no idea (like explaining
TV to a cat....). Mim TOOK Ole's Sigil from him, took articles from Vad's
website and SR website, put it on their own website, called it the "Red Ray
Grotto" - DECALRED it was a CoS grotto (which it was absolutely NOT nor was
it ever called Red Ray) and stuck St. Mao's picture on there. Ole
threatened to sue them: THAT is when it really started - them calling me and
othes names. What they really wanted to do - and they openly said it - was
recruit satanists to their cause. They had some rep that did this. The
pentagonal revision document of the CoS apparently was their worst gripe.
They saw the Mag titles displayed on Vad's website and went for it since
they couldn't get to Gilmore. Despite my telling them I was not a member,
despite telling them that the title was nothing, had nothing behind it.
Despite all that. They bitched that Ole threatned to sue them - but hell,
they just TOOK his sigil and took our stuff. I fail to see how "Dark Force"
and "All Things" ties into their agenda - but they had those articles up
there. I think they thought they had a way "IN" to get satanists to their
cause. It backfired very badly. In going after me as they did - they went
after the CoS since I had the title to show and the CoS was pro eugenics
(according to MIM).
I mean, you say you were
> hired to type for them at $9/page, and say you did similar work for
> the JWs. Did you tell MIM or the JWs about being a Satanist?
No. Others did. Now whose being nosy and ASSuming? The JW's didn't care -
they saw LHP stuff in my house including 2 pointed up oes sigil right up
front. They did not care. I did the job faithfully and accurately.
Online, Vad had a website with our Doctrines (commentary on them) on it -
and he plastered those dumb titles all over his page. When I got online, I
asked him to REMOVE it or remove our stuff. Vad, at the time, was a real
Priest in the cos (real one, not honorary) and the head of a grotto. As I
said, cos members were on the rail list or whatever that was. I don't even
know WHERE that stuff was posted or message boarded. Or if it was printed
in hard copy somewhere.
If so,
> why? How was the CoS even involved with you typing for MIM?
I just answered you. B found the offer for typing online. He told them I
could do it. They hard-mailed me and we discussed how to get it done, and
payment, how to get paid.
It seems
> that you may have been up to your usual tricks, baiting people to
> disagree with you (or be offended in some way) so you could whip up
> some drama, no?
No. They sent massive amounts of literature since they saw the Stalin
article Phil wrote (did they read it? I doubt it). They ASK for debate -
after all, they host something called "RAIL." Debate goes on there, nothing
but. B was on it, along with some others he got to know; next thing, some
of the COS members got interested in it (at the time, COS members). They
saw me on it. They told Mim. Mim was on alt.satanism also as they had one
representative that "dealt with satanism" mainly in prisons. In other
words; they tried to recruit from satanists for their organizationation.
They said they have the most luck in prisons. I have to say this much -
never have I seen anyone get into such harassment over disagreeing. Perhaps
the problem is that they could never ARGUE with what I said. So they
didn't. And then there was the matter with the stolen sigil Ole made and
the lawsuit threat. They instead resorted to calling me stupid names. Now,
I could debate a JW easily enough and they'd never let the talk deteriorate
like that. Point is, they weren't here for that. They wanted a job done.
I learned something about Maoists, Kori. They are at heart - totalitarians.
I have to admit that the stuff they sent me, was some of the most
interesting stuff I ever read! How did Gilmore get involved? Well, since
bonafide COS members got in on it, one of them put him on the cc list,
especially when the MIM declared "Red Ray" a COS grotto (when it was not,
and they were told this 100 times). I repeat - I was not online at the
time. Discs got passed around and I could read them on a DOS 486 at the
time - and write TO them. Lots of people did it that way, others wrote
(they had no computers at all) into some hard copy thing they have called
RAIL News also. Keep in mind, this didn't go down like this usenet stuff.
Weeks passed, even months, before people even got to see a response or
debate. It WAS fun - it honestly was. But the name calling sucked and they
did start it. All of that started with their feminism issue and combined
with that, their issue on the labor aristocracy and gender aristocracy where
they demonized all white males and insisted that NO white workers could ever
be proletarians. What started was that they got exactly what they ASKED
for, which was the sole reason they even sent me any of this - they got a
run for their money in debate. It got nasty when they declared the grotto,
stole the sigil, and got threated with a lawsuit. Period. End of story -
that simple. So - that's what Maoists DO when they have no power. Imagine
if they had power.
Ole would remember the sigil incident - and so would some others who can't
be bothered posting here or reading this newsgroup anymore. I never saw the
website they made - nor did I know what a website was - I had some vague
idea that comes off funny.
Now - agreeing with 90% of Huey Newton or their published quotes from
experts on analysis of the USSR - is not the same as agreeing with them.
Had I or anyone else agreed with them - what would be the POINT of "RAIL" or
a debate? I never was a member of their organization and never WOULD be a
member of it. I'm a registered voter. I'm a member of Info Numbers, too.
I did not say that Mexicans/Guatemalans should be killed. I said that
ILLEGAL ALIENS should be shot at the border. No matter who they are. So
then, Maoists distort things. I have to rethink every single thing ever
read on Maoist China and consider that every word that ever came out of
there was a DISTORTION. That is the effect that the MIM has had. I do not
fret at disillusions. I welcome them. I'm not the one angsting over the
MIM. I'm not the one pasting libel against them everywhere. They are doing
that to ME. Figure it out. So then, I have to wonder if Chinese Maoists
really did send hit men into the USA to "get" defectors. They probably DID.
They do not believe in freedom of CHOICE. They believe in free speech when
they are doing the talking - not when anyone is disagreeing with them.
Disillusions are good. Like Mao who encouraged some whatever program
'Stairway to Heaven" or some other idiocy - which encouraged criticism: he
killed the critics. He encouraged people to speak out of something was a
problem, or is there was real reason why crops weren't growing. Then he
decided to ignore the reality and kill those people too for telling him what
was going on. Now I believe this. Thanks to MIM!
Now, please - go away. OH, one thing. That dish I make is Shirmp or
Scallops Omoroca. Fornos Restaurant in Newark called it Marbella because
the chef came from that city in Spain. It's clearly another sauce. Fornos
is still there. The color of the sauce is a light yellow and it's smooth
and thin.
If you try it, try it with regular saffron rice - and then try it with Vigo.
But keep in mind, a clove doesn't work - it has to MELT into the sauce.
It's not a garlic dish - in the end, you don't taste garlic at all. It's SO
good. The Alyol is also good - and that CAN be made with cloves of garlic.
The powder we get is same as cloves - exactly the same. Just expensive.
>
> Kori
People's Commissar
I didn't hit her. I just didn't agree with her. She talked about relying
on usenet. I told her how completely unreliable it all was and showed her a
few examples. And so forth.
Ben - I gave her a debate of possibilities "why Zeena rose" based on
positive things I'd heard about Zeena. That's it. My tone was quite
friendly. WANT TO SEE, BEN? I talked about what I was up to, getting illos
for book and things like that. I sent her a photo and asked her if she
wanted to LAUGH at it. It's a funny photo - a horrible photo but who cares.
That's all. I did NOT hit her - not even by a long stretch. WANT TO SEE?
OK. I noticed this is being cross posted. WHY?
"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
news:ra672vcah49mtugd4...@4ax.com...
Kori Houghton
> I thought you were blaming him for his own persecution at the hands of
> presidio loonies. It definitely sounded that way. You know, all this
> affixing of blame is a bunch of bs? He's not at fault that a crazed woman
> (a few of them, in fact) obessed over him.
Tani, I have no idea what you are going on about here. Never have I
blamed Aquino for the Presidio (???) or for his stalker-type problems.
Why would I do that?
> I was straight with you on one main bottom line. The Schrecks are not
> members of SR. Therefore, I don't care what they do. They never bothered
> me. Bottom line. I don't bother them or bother about them, or concern
> myself with them. That was my bottom line.
Yes, of course I know (and knew!) that the Dubins were not in SR. My
question remains: WHY DID YOU EMAIL ME TO "GET ON ALT.S" WHEN ZEENA
RESIGNED AS HP?????
***YOU*** initiated that email convo. I was on freaking Jury Duty,
for pity's sake...just letting off some steam on what I consider to be
trivialities. If you have never served as a juror, it is very much a
pressure-cooker situation. To make it absolutely clear: I consider
the topics of org politics to be an entertaining diversion. Jury Duty
is about what happens to people in real life; the case (with the
verdict reached) becomes part of legal record with an impact on
citizens in the future. 'Nuf said!
> Your emails were full of "but they rose in the TOS" blah blah. Yes, and who
> cares? I care? You care - that's for sure. You clearly tried to go into
> how SR is against their fascist stuff. Well, no shit, shirley. Tell me
> something I don't know. You tried to influence my opinion for some unknown
> reason and I yanked your chain to see, just to see, if you'd turn "petty
> bitch" on here. You did. that is ALL I need to know. That is truly all I
> need to know.
Tani, Tani, Tani -- aaargh!!! I have not spent most (or all?) of *my*
adult life (ie, post-puberty) in the org subculture. You rang my bell
with the email "get on alt.s". So, I did. It was fun.
>
> "Kori Houghton" <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6db9a636.03011...@posting.google.com...
>
> > Tani, I have no problem being challenged -- by you or anyone else,
> > here or in RL -- about any topic.
>
> Except when they insist you are Eve. Then you most definitely DO have a
> problem with it and you asked me NOT to post your online business
> information, despite giving it to me. I never posted it. That should be a
> clue.
Er, no. Time for a reality check here, dearie. I never (never ever,
no way!) gave you any information about the name or location of my
online business. Do you think that I trusted you??? The fact that
you would misrepresent what I was willing to share with you in this
way exposes you. For shame, Tani!
> > You had discussed Zeena previously
> > with me in emails, and I knew you were running some new shit up your
> > flagpole to check for salutes.
>
> You knew no such thing. I played you and you went for it and became the
> expected bitch on here. You hated the disagreement. Fyi, I don't know
> ANYTHING about the Schrecks in their TOS era. Nothing at all. I have NO
> idea if she knows doctrines - NONE. I have NO idea why she rose in the
> TOS - nor do I care, Kori. You DO care - that is patently obvious. I did
> email both parties and asked one question: I got an answer. I never asked
> about it again. But here you are.
I think we have different views of our mutual intentions and the
outcome of this email exchange. The question remains, though, why did
you email me to "play me"? Possibly all, or most, alt.s regulars view
me as Ben does -- as a bitch you hit with a stick who now is trying to
bite you back -- and I can live with that view. However Ben did ask
you, what kind of person are *you* that you seek to beat even a bitch
with your stick?
> > I admit to having a little fun with
> > you in the emails. But you are not being straight with Ben here about
> > where our disagreement started: specifically when you emailed me,
> > saying I had "no heart" for posting my criticism of Michael Aquino
> > which mentioned the Dubins.
>
> I have the emails. You were siding with the "blame the victim of presidio"
> gang. Or so I thought. The rest of it was your blathering about Zeena and
> her rise in the ToS. I care? WHY would I care - figure that out. God
> woman. What's wrong with you? Fact is, you are trying to get in the back
> crack of the Foetid Foursome - but I doubt they will believe you aren't Eve.
> Period.
I have no contact with Scratch, Kerry, Lupo, or Kevin. No do I seek
such. Certainly I manage to live my life, personally and
professionally, without "trying to get in the back crack" of anyone.
Such behavior is against my personal code of honorable behavior (and
general bitchhood, to be sure).
> > BFD, Tani. It is, in short, none of your
> > business. It is *not* about *you*.
>
> No shit, shirley. Glad you figured that out. It's not about me, nor is it
> about SR. So why would I give a shit one way or the other? You are
> squirming.
Okay, please explain why you:
1) emailed *me* to "get on alt.s" when the news about Zeena's
resignation broke
2) tried to bait me in our email convo.
Also, please explain how doing the 2 things above proves that you do
not "give a shit". Now we shall see who is the squirming liar. The
liar is Tani Jantsang.
> > My view is that if one can judge
> > Lupo as responsible for some *potential* (as opposed to actual)
> > misunderstanding or involvement with illegality resulting from an
> > alt.s FAQ, it makes sense to keep one's own 'house' spotlessly clean.
>
> The issue back then was not about the other orgs except as a mention like a
> footnote. It was about the ONA human sacrifice stuff - and I told you this.
> You didn't believe it because you base everything you accept from mere
> usenet. The issue was ONA and what they wrote. The new info MA posted
> seems to downplay that, or at least it sounds that way. The problem is that
> the ONA wasn't posting it. It was hard copy handed out to many people at
> the time. What's up there now is way toned down and sounds like something
> else (in the ONA).
I don't give a rat's arse about what was "hard copy handed out to many
people at the time". Are you suggesting that I take *your* word on
this matter? You, who tried to "bait me" and proven herself a liar
with this post?
> > Aquino had always been forthcoming in his answers to questions about
> > the Presidio, crazies like Blood and Napolis, allegations of incorrect
> > political leanings in the reading list, yadda yadda. It had always
> > seemed possible (to me) that the comments about the Dubins were
> > groundless snide remarks. But lingering questions remain (at least,
> > for me) about the Larson show and the ASL death curse, the ear story,
> > the financial misbehavior.
>
> Lemme do a Kori on ya. I never saw THAT Larson show. Someone want to show
> me a copy of that? I don't know of any financial misbehavior save on
> hearsay. Why did anyone lend them money? Duh. I do not lend people
> money - NOT EVER. Responsibility eh? Someone subject themselves to being a
> creditor. Don't bitch if the debtor goes bankrupt.
Yes, that is pretty much my real view of the situation. It just
surprised me, after reading _COS_, that Aquino would not understand
that questions about these matters are of concern when evaluating an
org's credibility.
> > Perhaps Setian initiation erases all past
> > personality flaws, like RC sacramental baptism....but I am not a
> > believer *^_^*
>
> I'm not in a position to know about that (another Kori-ism).
Keep it up, Tani, you might learn something.
> > > > Sure I know, but this proves my point. You created conflicted which
> > > > you intended to get a specific response from. How can you be upset
> > > > when your experiment bears fruit?
> >
> > Ben, I hope you realize that I am not actually angry with Tani. How
> > can one be angry with someone for being what they are? I do, however,
> > dislike what Tani has shown herself to be. She is a tiresome old
> > DramaQueen seeking an audience.
>
> I would strongly suggest YOU are that. And the Foedits still think you are
> Eve, to boot. The only drama I played was with you - yanking your chain for
> whining about the Schrecks and concerning yourself with them and with the
> ToS. Deal with it.
But of course I have dealt with it. It does not altogether please me
that you have proven yourself to be exactly what Lisa, Harry, Kevin,
Lupo, Scratch, Ygraine -- not to mention the usenet's lamest loser
site -- says you are. You have publically shamed yourself, Tani, and
are too confined to your fantasy world to see that.
> WHEN, key word, I butted into the foursome's posts, it
> was solely due to the fact that persons being included in the RFS silliness
> were now SR members and NOT involved in the RFS. That was my reason for
> butting in - they wrote me privately and said up front that they were in
> disagreement with all of that RFS stuff and the campaign being waged against
> MA. So I opened my mouth. I told you that. Now I say it again. It was
> NOT due to MA or the ToS needing my defense, for shit's sakes. So you see,
> what lil Kori sees as Drama turns out to be strictly an ORGNIZATIONAL
> matter.
Yup, here we go: more org political dreck. Pheeew!!! What a stench!
> This is not the case for you, however. You were just an enamored
> female, now a disillusioned one.
You are saying that a human with two x chromosomes seeking further
initiation is "enamored"? Tani, that's a patriarchal view. Men have
idealistic crises all the time, too. It isn't about gender, or about
sex. Get your mind out of your panties for once.
> I think you really don't realize how
> fucking cold I am to all of this shit. It's so fucking nothing.
Uh huh. You just wrote this magnum opus to show us just how "fucking
nothing" this is to you...uh huh.
> When it concerns the org - then it's Something.
Guess that is why we are never on the same page. For you it's "the
org". For me, it's the Self. Prinn was correct; you *are* RHP.
> When it concerns provable libel,
> it's Something. I didn't "butt in" to defend the ToS - tho I do realize
> that this was the only way you could possibly see it. Question this then:
> why on earth would I want points from the ToS? YOU are the one that tried
> to join it for years and got rejected.
Actually, I tried one time: this past summer. For the record, I
never discussed any of what happened with you in any detail so what
ever you come up with to say about it you are making up as you go
along.
> OK? Figure it out, Queen. As for
> Walter, he's an SR. He's not pro ToS or anti ToS - but in his opinion SR is
> SR - and what the ToS does is not our concern. They are NOT our friends.
> They are also NOT our foes. Bottom line. Grasp that - for once, try to
> grasp that. You allied with me against the foursome
No. I never allied with you. I was polite to you, we exchanged some
emails. I'm not an "org warrior" and I follow my own path.
> - but Kori - YOUR
> reasons and motives were personal. Mine were 100% organizational. Big
> difference. I told you this at the time. You noised over it; or forgot it.
See above.
> > > I created no such thing. I didn't want to hear the petty, trivial,
> > > bitching shit and whining. Bottom line on my statement - THEY are
> > > not in SR - ergo I don't give a fuck what they do. Imagine it,
> > > whining over something that doesn't even concern her - Zeena of all
> > > things. WHY? What did Zeena DO to her? Aside from absoluteluy
> > > nothing?
> >
> > So I ask you, Tani, why do you (as you put it) give a fuck what I
> > think of Aquino?
>
> I asked you a simple question at first: are those your genuine posts. It
> didn't sound like you and well, heh, you can't tell a lot of times. It did
> not sound like you. Nor did I see the foursome pouncing on it.
As I emailed at the time, they are ignoring me. Which is just fine
with me!
> > For the record, I think of him as a human being,
> > having some likeable -- even admirable -- qualities, as well as
> > qualities not likeable and far from admirable. What I posted was my
> > opinion, and I doubt he gives 3 shits and a piss about it.
>
> Right. Now, just kindly convince yourself of that for real. Please do
> that.
I already have. Now you try it; it's easy!!!
---SNIP---Stuff about Tani's usual buttinsky life in the org trenches.
Get a life, Tani. What's gonna be left of you after the part of you
that eats Marbella (God God) is dust?
Kori
tim jordan
> My point, luv. The police took me to a gun shop - I got a gun. They
> instructed me to shoot if anyone of these "clear dangers" that comes near
me
> or mine. Simple? yes.
Did they really? Funny I called the Lehigh Acres Sheriffs after Radu
claimed he'd shoot me and others "on sight." The FSO said they didn't have
any drooling emigrant svoloch cop working for their force -- they've never
had anyone "foreigner" work for their unit. Dementia is a sad thing Tani.
Seems I really scared you when I thought I'd drop by to visit you, Phil, and
colostomy-bitch Gerber.
<snip>
> > >See in Ben - you are wrong. Screw libel suits. What my criminal
> attorney
> > >said was that there was a clear and dangerous threat - and the cops
said
> the
> > >same thing.
If this were the case, there would've been an investigation and your local
coppers would've contacted me (I left my real name, address, and contact
info with them, BTW). There was no follow up.
<snip>
> Two people libeled Yg of the COS on here long ago. She is way more a
public
> figure than I am. She put an end to it. Question is - HOW? It's
> interstate. Another friend of mine in England had the same thing
> happening - and he put an end to it and that was overseas.
So why am I allowed to prattle on about your silliness then, Tani? You
can't win a libel suit if the person in question speaks the truth.
Regards,
Harry Lime
Ben Schultz
Tani,
There are apartments out there to meet every income level. They aren't
all in the nice part of town, but they are there. Take a look for
yourself...
A quick search and I found a one bedroom with a deck in a nice part of
town for $320... And they take pets... By the standard you list below,
someone would need to make $8/hour to earn a "living wage"
I also found one for $275, though it doesn't list location. That's
only $6.88/hour for a "living wage." I even found a house about 5
blocks from here renting for $425... That's $10.63/hour "living wage."
In light of this information, where are you getting $15/hour?
And after reading your post I see why we continue to have this debate.
You are assigning a level of comfort that you think is reasonable and
imposing it on the populous as a whole.
Companies are raising the cost of water and electricity, in Wisconsin
anyway, to off set the fact that they are required by law to provide
heat, even to people who don't pay for it. (Note, I said "don't" not
"can't") So the rate goes up.
You don't "need" a TV or a car, These are not necessities. Despite
what you may thing, it is possible to be a productive member of
society and not own a car. Life does not end if you miss an episode of
Friends.
Sure I wouldn't live with out these things now, but, at one time, I
did. And, if need be, I would again.
We make our own futures. And you don't get there by dwelling on how
things used to be, or how things ought to be. You go out and make
things happen for yourself.
If you aren't being paid what you think is a fair wage for the work
that you do, get a different job. If you can't find one that meets
your needs, try running a company some day based on your theory of
economics. Then let me know what you think.
Ben
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:23:23 -0500, "People's Commissar"
<tj...@post.com> wrote:
>You go tell that to the people who can't afford the necessities - and as a
>result are not buying product. Living wage is clearly defined as: When the
>weekly gross salary is equal to the monthly rent/mortgage. That used to be
>the standard, well-known measure of whether or not a person could afford to
>live here or there.
>
>You go explain that to the companies raising the costs of water, electricity
>and so forth. Or to the auto industry whose sales are going down.
>
>Look, Ben - if my TV breaks, I can go out and pay cash for another one. I
>needed a car - guess what? I bought one. I don't owe a cent on it. OK?
>(It's NICE!) Anyway... This is not something personal. I'm not even IN
>the damned workplace. I'm looking at the future - and seriously worried
>about it.
>
Ben Schultz
You don't need legal advice to buy a gun to defend your home. There
are three things that you do need to keep in mind when doing so,
however.
1. Make sure they are actually in the house. There are sketchy legal
issue if you shoot someone before they actually enter the building
that are cleared up nicely if you wait a few minutes. Use that extra
time to aim. Most people need it.
2. Make sure you kill them. People who survive can sue. There was a
guy a few years back who fell through a sky light while trying to rob
a house. He landed on a butcher knife. He sued the home owner and won.
3. Make sure they are armed... by the time the police arrive anyway...
While it isn't necessary, it does eliminate the need to prove that you
felt your life was in danger.
While that last one may seem like foolish, when you have openly stated
your intend to shoot people in a usenet post, having the perpetrator
armed will eliminate any questions of sanity.
Happy Hunting
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:29:19 -0500, "People's Commissar"
<tj...@post.com> wrote:
Ben Schultz
Tani,
This part of the post was addressed to me... Seeing as how you were so
kind as to answer, I thought I would comment...
Again we see the "yanking your chain" comment, clearly indicative of
the conflict initiation I imagined earlier.
We then move to the "private email" section of the post. This section
has always intrigued me. People who aren't even brave enough to voice
their opinions through anonymous re-mailers are a sad lot indeed.
Now, had they chose merely to not involve themselves in the cesspool
that is alt.satanism, I could maintain some semblance of respect for
them. However, seeing as how they are emailing you about the horrible
misrepresentation they are receiving on this forum, one must conclude
that they are, at best, lurking. At worst, they may have been fed the
information, but that would fall back into the conflict initiation
section, and I think we have discussed that enough already.
Next we see the obligatory organizational bullshit. A topic which I
personally believe gets entirely too much air time. It's a loose
conglomeration of people. They didn't give birth to you. They aren't
paying your rent. (In some cases those are both probably still your
parents.)
Like so many things in life, membership in any group is not an issue
unless you make it one. (hmmm... Back to the conflict issue again...
My imagination must be running wild tonight.)
And finally to the "we are not concerned" closing. Which, I believe,
speaks for itself...
This concludes our classroom exercise for today.
Ben Schultz
No Tani,
You can rewrite history all you want. You said it yourself, and
changing the topic isn't going to change that.
Message-ID: <v1vmeib...@corp.supernews.com>
" I wanted to see, for instance, what Kori would actuall DO if I
challenged her on her Zeena issue. "
Message-ID: <v291d77...@corp.supernews.com>
" played you and you went for it and became the expected bitch on
here. "
You were not trying to debate Kori. You were doing exactly what you
said you were doing. You challenged her. You tried to play her.
I don't care what your tone was, and I don't want to see the emails.
And I don't need to see any pictures of you There is no need. Your
behavior here has answered all the questions I could possible have
already.
Jason@neskoreni!
> You don't need legal advice to buy a gun to defend your home. There
> are three things that you do need to keep in mind when doing so,
> however.
>
> 1. Make sure they are actually in the house. There are sketchy legal
> issue if you shoot someone before they actually enter the building
> that are cleared up nicely if you wait a few minutes. Use that extra
> time to aim. Most people need it.
The criteria for justifiable homicide varies by state. You are correct to
state that in the home it would be nearly automatic, but the wording of the
laws varies from imminent danger to protection of ANY property (ie your car
etc)
It is obviously an affirmative defense. It is incumbent on you and your
lawyer to prove you were justified in the killing.
One major thing you missed .... Under NO circumstances should you say
anything to LEO, even if it is a friendly
neighborhood cop. You will almost invariably give details that can be
interpreted subjectively as implying guilt in a
wrongful death as opposed to justifiable homicide.
You should always be aware of the specific criteria in your state.
> 2. Make sure you kill them. People who survive can sue. There was a
> guy a few years back who fell through a sky light while trying to rob
> a house. He landed on a butcher knife. He sued the home owner and won.
That's a given. Put a clip in their sternum. Keep shooting 'til they stop
moving. After all, they could be on PCP :)
> 3. Make sure they are armed... by the time the police arrive anyway...
> While it isn't necessary, it does eliminate the need to prove that you
> felt your life was in danger.
Yes, it is good to refresh your memory. Keep thinking about it until you
have justified your homicide:)
But keep quiet until you have an attorney, preferably a 2nd Amendment
specialist.
> While that last one may seem like foolish, when you have openly stated
> your intend to shoot people in a usenet post, having the perpetrator
> armed will eliminate any questions of sanity.
Well, Tani should shut the fuck up.
So should everyone else talking about shooting ppl, even as a joke.
I had to deal with a double homicide recently, the joke just doesn't have a
punchline.
J@N
Lady Dagon
{Tani's Ravings Deleted}
Some folks here tried to tell you newsgroup readers that Jantsang
was seriously nuts. Do you understand how they were right?
RyanS2
only justifiable "so long as" you feel your life is a threat. Well,
if you shoot them and they start running away and you keep shooting,
you just committed involuntary manslaughter. If you shoot him and he
falls down and you stand on top of him and shoot, you just committed
involuntary manslaughter, (depending upon state laws, prosecution,
plea bargaining, and so forth). The weapon thing is also tricky, if
you see that they don't have a weapon and they're in your house and
you shoot them, (depending upon whether you are male or female, a
judge and jury will be leniant to a 95 lbs. woman defending her home
saying she was scared to death, a 220 lbs. man against a 160 lbs.
unarmed man isn't going to be sympathetic), it can still be considered
manslaughter. The laws are tricky, the best thing to do is consult a
lawyer who specializes in those situations.
Martin Edwards
courses, you know.
Jason@neskoreni!
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Definitely consult with an attorney. "But your honor, some goofballs on
usenet said....." Not your best defense.
Another consideration is in some states you have to have exhausted all other
options (could you have ran etc)
J@N
Chuck Stewart
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Too much yammering... time to turn down the noise.
<plonk>
--
Chuck Stewart
"Anime-style catgirls: Threat? Menace? Or just studying algebra?"
T & P
cheap, not even for $400 a month.
No matter - some of these place are not just in "not nice parts of town" -
they are in rat-infested, gang-infested nightmare zones where walking down
the block in daylight can get you beaten half to death, raped or murdered.
Yes right, you've never been there - I realize that.
When a job pays for the health care as of old (full Blue Cross and Blue
Shied, Rider J all of that including dental plans) then the cost of living
IS: the weekly gross salary has to be equal to or more than the monthly
rent or mortgage - and that was back when electricity and gas and water were
cheap and local, repeat local, phone service was 12 bucks a month; that was
also before the advent of heh, digitan cable :). Such is no longer the case
unless you live in some cloistered boonie area or whatever. New York City,
Chicago, California - and now Florida - you are talking HIGH rents. I have
a friend that moved out of $1000 a month apartment, modern, central air and
heat but it was a studio - and he moved into a $340 a month apartment. But
in the $340 a month place he has huge boards installed over every window
with locks on them. Such a way to live, eh? He also has mice now. Some
"not nice places" are far from just not nice - they are dangerous as hell.
More dangerous than living in Israel with bombs, shootings and such going
off.
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T & P
think.
See inside.
"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
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>
> No Tani,
Yes, Ben. You little - emphasis on little - patriarch - heh, I ain't your
"little woman" you know.
You SAW what we wrote each other, btw, YES? Point being I actually said
some hypothetically objective stuff about Zeena. Hypothetically very
objective. She chose to interpret it as positive. Not surprising - I was
not AGREEING with her - bottom line. She kept "pushing" like trying to do
that "get IN:" shit. Then she turned bitch. So much for having extended a
hand of friendship toward her. She is a woman incapable of hypothetically
considering the objective fact that even a III Setian HAS to know doctrines
and an elected HP of that organization would know as much as the Aquinos
know. DUH. no brainer that.
>
> You can rewrite history all you want. You said it yourself, and
> changing the topic isn't going to change that.
I was quite friendly. That is not a rewrite of history, you sniveling
patriarch. I was, in fact, quite friendly. This is what people like her DO
with it - and yes, I DID want to see IF she'd do it. She can't hack it when
a person disagrees with her - bottom line. Even if the disagreement is
OBJECTIVE yet hypothetical. She can not hack it. Now she's continuing to
turn petty on all counts - of course, your magestry doesn't "read it." No
matter which way things go, you'll always see villiany in ME - of course,
and ignore and let slide the sheer pettiness of Houghton, now butting her
sniveling nose into everything and trying to shit disturbe. You'll always
do that because you are YOU. I don't even regard you as a man, not that
this should bother you.
>
> Message-ID: <v1vmeib...@corp.supernews.com>
>
> " I wanted to see, for instance, what Kori would actuall DO if I
> challenged her on her Zeena issue. "
Yes, I did want to see that due to THE WAY she wrote against Zeena. If she
had written it another way - it wouldn't have been so obviously EMOTIONAL on
her part - with her new "usenet-enlightened" stance. Bottom line, she tried
to get into the ToS for years - and kept getting rejected. BOTTOM LINE. I
stand by that statement, with additional information because I have those
emails and I did say only what I said. Objective stuff.
>
> Message-ID: <v291d77...@corp.supernews.com>
>
> " played you and you went for it and became the expected bitch on
> here. "
Yes, I did - tho that's a very slang way of stating what I actually DID
write her - and what I wrote was very objective - yet hypothetical since I
don't know ANYTHING about Zeena in the ToS. I certainly do not believe a
single word anyone that hates the ToS or Zeena has to say. I believe
Aquino - before when Zeena was in it and now that Zeena is out of it. He
has not said negative shit about Zeena at all. It's NO BIG DEAL. And he
most definitely did NOT EVER tell anyone that Kori was Eve. Not ever.
>
> You were not trying to debate Kori. You were doing exactly what you
> said you were doing. You challenged her. You tried to play her.
Yes, to put it into STREET talk - not that you understand it, farm boy. You
saw what I wrote. Don't play naive. Hypothetical, but very very objective.
Zeena knows her doctrines, things like that. Well hello. I can't see
anyone in the ToS III or above NOT knowing their doctrines. Doh dee doh.
Emotionalism on Kori's part made her unable to see the objectivity in that
statement. "But they are for everything SR is against." And yeah? So
what? They aren't IN SR. They aren't messing with SR. They leave us
alone. This, all in her ploy to get me to AGREE. I refused to agree: what
she was saying was petty shit and shouldn't have been of concern to her at
all. SHE was the one going at it with those other ex-Setians - the
newcomers, Barker or Lector or SSS - those guys. She was the one butting
her nose in. Apparently she likes to do that. Petty. It's all personal
shit. NONE of it is organizational. If it was organizational - I'd
understand it. Grasp that.
>
> I don't care what your tone was, and I don't want to see the emails.
> And I don't need to see any pictures of you There is no need. Your
> behavior here has answered all the questions I could possible have
> already.
You got them anyway - now kindly go tell your "LITTLE" lady to stoop before
your patriarchal magistry. LMAO.
Ignoring all flame-talk, flame-tone, street-jargon - I gave Houghton an
objective but hypothetical debate and she couldn't handle it. Period.
I've NO use for you and your high-mannered facades. You are, after all,
just a fucking farmboy that settles for a shitjob and shit wage. Not much
there. You are so biased that your face if browner everyday. I don't like
you - I think you are stupid. I'll always be the villian for you - and you
simply ignore the pettiness of others. My defense of Zeena, hypothetical as
it was, was objective and based on what i know of the ORGANIZATION, the ToS.
Now, kindly go pet Kori and console her because she kept getting rejected by
the ToS. Bottom line. Enough of this, farmboy. You hate me because I
stand up to your male shit and tell you to to stuff it. Bottm line. I
don't consider you a man.
Ben Schultz
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:02:36 -0500, "T & P" <tj...@post.com> wrote:
>There is nowhere down here where I am where you can rent anything for that
>cheap, not even for $400 a month.
Unfortunately for you, this is incorrect. The property located at 146
Homestead Road, LeHigh Acres. Florida happens to have 1 & 2 bedroom
apartments available right now starting at $393/month.
If you don't believe me, check for yourself... Apartments is the first
link under real estate....
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=8670
>
>No matter - some of these place are not just in "not nice parts of town" -
>they are in rat-infested, gang-infested nightmare zones where walking down
>the block in daylight can get you beaten half to death, raped or murdered.
>Yes right, you've never been there - I realize that.
How bad of an area is the apartment I just pointed out in?
>
>When a job pays for the health care as of old (full Blue Cross and Blue
>Shied, Rider J all of that including dental plans) then the cost of living
>IS: the weekly gross salary has to be equal to or more than the monthly
>rent or mortgage - and that was back when electricity and gas and water were
>cheap and local, repeat local, phone service was 12 bucks a month; that was
>also before the advent of heh, digitan cable :). Such is no longer the case
>unless you live in some cloistered boonie area or whatever.
So let me get this straight... You want employers to pay a minimum of
$15 an hour; Plus you want them to cover the full cost of health
insurance?
It isn't going to happen... It's simple economics with a healthy dose
of common sense thrown in for good measure...
Today, according to CNN, Americans spend $1.22 for every dollar that
they earn.(http://money.cnn.com/2002/10/24/news/economy/spending_gap/)
Maybe that's the problem... Maybe we, as a society, need to learn to
live within our means... Maybe, just maybe, it's the xmas presents
that were put on the credit card at 18% interest that is causing
problems and not your rent.
Despite what you may think, it is not on things that they "need" in
order to live. Most people have more than one TV in their home. Most
people own a cordless phone. Most families have more than one car.
VCRs, DVD players, Computers, Camcorders, and the myriad of TV styles
and models are not necessities. You can live with out them.
>New York City,
>Chicago, California - and now Florida - you are talking HIGH rents. I have
>a friend that moved out of $1000 a month apartment, modern, central air and
>heat but it was a studio - and he moved into a $340 a month apartment. But
>in the $340 a month place he has huge boards installed over every window
>with locks on them. Such a way to live, eh? He also has mice now. Some
>"not nice places" are far from just not nice - they are dangerous as hell.
>More dangerous than living in Israel with bombs, shootings and such going
>off.
Hey, our lives are defined by the choices that we make. If you choose
to live in an area where the cost of housing is outrageous, that is
not my problem.
Last time I checked, no one was forced to live in NYC, Chi-town, Cali,
or Florida. With Grey Hound offering their $15 dollar tickets to
anywhere in the country... With U-Haul & Rider both offering one way
transit... Your place of residence is a conscious choice. If you
aren't going to do something about it, why should I? I can afford my
house.
If your job isn't paying you enough to live in the manner you wish to,
then get a new job. If you don't have the training or skills necessary
to get a different job, again, that is the result of the choices you
have made.
Now let's examine the Jantsang Economic plan in detail for just a few
minutes...
Wal-Mart reported sales of $227,058,000 for a 48 year period ending
January of this year. If we extrapolate that number for a 52 week
period, we get an estimate that comes in just under $250,000,000 in
sales for a year. (courtesy of www.walmartstores.com)
Wal-Mart has over 950,000 employees in the US currently. (courtesy of
www.walmartstores.com) If they were all paid your minimum wage of
$15/hour and each worked 5 hours per week for the entire year,
Wal-Mart's expense just in wages $3,705,000,000 each year.
(950,000 people * 5 hours/week * 52 weeks per year * $15/hour)
Now, I could be mistaken, but it seems to me that even if Wal-Mart was
given its inventory free of charge... Even if it did not have to pay
for electricity or heat... Even if Uncle Sam never charged them tax on
anything they owned or did... Wal-Mart would not earn enough money to
pay each of its employees your proposed minimum wage. How are they
going to provide the free health care you want on top of that?
But wait... There is more... On the SR, in the "Are you a Satanic Red"
section, statement number 7 says, "Do you believe that the
Multi-national corporations and Trans-national corporations need to
HIRE OUR OWN CITIZENS and not wander outside for cheap labor..."
So now not only does Wal-Mart have to pay ten times more in minimum
wages than it earns in a year, but all of the products it sells must
be made by people who also earn $15/hour and receive free health
care...
Well, seeing as how your entire post was about how little you can get
for your dollar & how unfair that is, I hazard to guess you aren't
willing to pay more for the things you normally buy at Wal-Mart.
Especially not when more could easily equate to 20 times more.
Shopper: How much for the Tic Tacs?
Cashier: That will be $10 please.
Think about it... By requiring American companies to hire only
Americans and increasing the minimum wage by less than $9, you have
made a package of breath mints worth 45 minutes of labor. How is that
helping the worker?
Which leads me to this question... What to you suggest we do with all
the people who lose their jobs when "Jantsang Economics" becomes law?
What are you hoping to do? Bring about the "Greater" Depression?
Ben
Ben Schultz
Here's a free clue...
I didn't read the email you forwarded to me. It is none of my business
what you an Kori discuss, nor do I care. I am merely commenting on
your behavior.
Your feeble attempts to irritate me are not going to work. Don't even
try to play the game with me Tani, you will not win.
Ben
Ben Schultz
I need to apologize... I miscalculated Wal-Marts yearly sales, which
does significantly change the numbers. However, it does not change the
fact that your increase would drive Wal-Mart out of business...
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:01:34 GMT, Ben Schultz <b...@devilzown.com>
wrote:
Ben Schultz
Alright, So I made a mistake... Let's try this again with out the
idiotic mathematical error...
Wal-Mart reports almost $250,000,000,000 is gross sales, not the
$250,000,000 I previously stated. As such, they could afford your
increase, if that was their only expense. Since it is not, my original
point still stands.
I thought I should take a moment to rectify this error on my part
before it became a month long rant. Again, I apologize for the
error... not the conclusion...
Ben
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 03:16:03 GMT, Ben Schultz <b...@devilzown.com>
wrote:
>>Now let's examine the Jantsang Economic plan in detail for just a few
T
$5 bucks an hour is minimum wage. Times 40 hours. That's $200 a week.
Some states have 6 bucks as minimum. Times 40 hours. That's $240. Even at
the "high" wage of 7 bucks an hour, that's $280 a week. You'd have to make
10 bucks an hour to afford such a place. Now, unlike the past economic
experts' assessments on "living wage" where companies ALWAYS gave insurance
and such things as I cited - only then were these numbers valid. Having to
pay an extra 100 or a LOT more, like 200 or more even for health insurance
changes mattters entirely. Hence, 15 bucks an hour.
Rents now starting at $393/month? Do the math, farmboy. Many of the low
rent areas have age limits on them and for one person - and only one person
CAN live in there by law - the laws are strict about that here - i.e., YOU
couldn't move there with your wife and 3 kids or however many you have. The
area you mentioned happens to be a very very nice area - but not just anyone
CAN move in there. And they can do that in this state. Discrimination or
not.
You are a disgrace to every single worker on the planet or in this country.
People struggling to make bare ends meet might spend $1.20 to every $1.00
they make.
When the wages were high for workers and the corporations didn't literally
rape; or scam, or rip off; this country was not only the greatest place to
be, the greatest country in the world with the highest standards, but the
companies were STRONG, not going out of business. Take the tech
companies - Kaiden knows of this - many of them are now hiring overseas for
$1 buck an hour - meanwhile putting Americans out of work. Americans
generally got 9 bucks an hour for such jobs.
Whatever. You are just justifying your own station in life. Shit job, shit
wages. Disgrace.
"Ben Schultz" <b...@devilzown.com> wrote in message
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Ben Schultz
You keep using "farm boy" as if that's some sort of insult. Maybe if
you spent some time picking rocks out of a freshly turned field, a
summer pitching hay, or an afternoon milking cows, you might have a
small clue about basic economics.
Rent of $393 comes out to $9.82/hour "living wage," by the way...
Still a far cry from the $15/hour that you advocate. Besides, I only
posted this to refute, your statement that "There is nowhere down here
where I am where you can rent anything for that cheap, not even for
$400 a month."
You see, this is how a debate works, my dear. You say something, and I
either agree or disagree. If I disagree, than I must support my
argument with some form of collaborating data.
As for justifying my "station in life..." That's comical to say the
least. You're 52 years old Tani. Try acting your age for just a few
minutes out of each day.
Ben
Ben Schultz
Here's a free clue...
I didn't read the email you forwarded to me. It is none of my business
what you an Kori discuss, nor do I care. I am merely commenting on
your behavior.
Your feeble attempts to irritate me are not going to work. Don't even
try to play the game with me Tani, you will not win.
Ben
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:02:36 -0500, "T & P" <tj...@post.com> wrote:
>There is nowhere down here where I am where you can rent anything for that
>cheap, not even for $400 a month.
Unfortunately for you, this is incorrect. The property located at 146
Homestead Road, LeHigh Acres. Florida happens to have 1 & 2 bedroom
apartments available right now starting at $393/month.
If you don't believe me, check for yourself... Apartments is the first
link under real estate....
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=8670
>
>No matter - some of these place are not just in "not nice parts of town" -
>they are in rat-infested, gang-infested nightmare zones where walking down
>the block in daylight can get you beaten half to death, raped or murdered.
>Yes right, you've never been there - I realize that.
How bad of an area is the apartment I just pointed out in?
>
>When a job pays for the health care as of old (full Blue Cross and Blue
>Shied, Rider J all of that including dental plans) then the cost of living
>IS: the weekly gross salary has to be equal to or more than the monthly
>rent or mortgage - and that was back when electricity and gas and water were
>cheap and local, repeat local, phone service was 12 bucks a month; that was
>also before the advent of heh, digitan cable :). Such is no longer the case
>unless you live in some cloistered boonie area or whatever.
So let me get this straight... You want employers to pay a minimum of
$15 an hour; Plus you want them to cover the full cost of health
insurance?
It isn't going to happen... It's simple economics with a healthy dose
of common sense thrown in for good measure...
Today, according to CNN, Americans spend $1.22 for every dollar that
they earn.(http://money.cnn.com/2002/10/24/news/economy/spending_gap/)
Maybe that's the problem... Maybe we, as a society, need to learn to
live within our means... Maybe, just maybe, it's the xmas presents
that were put on the credit card at 18% interest that is causing
problems and not your rent.
Despite what you may think, it is not on things that they "need" in
order to live. Most people have more than one TV in their home. Most
people own a cordless phone. Most families have more than one car.
VCRs, DVD players, Computers, Camcorders, and the myriad of TV styles
and models are not necessities. You can live with out them.
>New York City,
>Chicago, California - and now Florida - you are talking HIGH rents. I have
>a friend that moved out of $1000 a month apartment, modern, central air and
>heat but it was a studio - and he moved into a $340 a month apartment. But
>in the $340 a month place he has huge boards installed over every window
>with locks on them. Such a way to live, eh? He also has mice now. Some
>"not nice places" are far from just not nice - they are dangerous as hell.
>More dangerous than living in Israel with bombs, shootings and such going
>off.
Hey, our lives are defined by the choices that we make. If you choose
to live in an area where the cost of housing is outrageous, that is
not my problem.
Last time I checked, no one was forced to live in NYC, Chi-town, Cali,
or Florida. With Grey Hound offering their $15 dollar tickets to
anywhere in the country... With U-Haul & Rider both offering one way
transit... Your place of residence is a conscious choice. If you
aren't going to do something about it, why should I? I can afford my
house.
If your job isn't paying you enough to live in the manner you wish to,
then get a new job. If you don't have the training or skills necessary
to get a different job, again, that is the result of the choices you
have made.
Now let's examine the Jantsang Economic plan in detail for just a few
minutes...
Ben
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I need to apologize... I miscalculated Wal-Marts yearly sales, which
does significantly change the numbers. However, it does not change the
fact that your increase would drive Wal-Mart out of business...
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:01:34 GMT, Ben Schultz <b...@devilzown.com>
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>Please see in text...
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You keep using "farm boy" as if that's some sort of insult. Maybe if
you spent some time picking rocks out of a freshly turned field, a
summer pitching hay, or an afternoon milking cows, you might have a
small clue about basic economics.
Rent of $393 comes out to $9.82/hour "living wage," by the way...
Still a far cry from the $15/hour that you advocate. Besides, I only
posted this to refute, your statement that "There is nowhere down here
where I am where you can rent anything for that cheap, not even for
$400 a month."
You see, this is how a debate works, my dear. You say something, and I
either agree or disagree. If I disagree, than I must support my
argument with some form of collaborating data.
As for justifying my "station in life..." That's comical to say the
least. You're 52 years old Tani. Try acting your age for just a few
minutes out of each day.
Ben
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Ben Schultz
Alright, So I made a mistake... Let's try this again with out the
idiotic mathematical error...
Wal-Mart reports almost $250,000,000,000 is gross sales, not the
$250,000,000 I previously stated. As such, they could afford your
increase, if that was their only expense. Since it is not, my original
point still stands.
I thought I should take a moment to rectify this error on my part
before it became a month long rant. Again, I apologize for the
error... not the conclusion...
Ben
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>>Now let's examine the Jantsang Economic plan in detail for just a few
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