Studio 9 is out???
BillKirch
Tim S.
"BillKirch" <bald...@aol.comnoads> wrote in message
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> I saw an order page for it...... BK
More GARBAGE from Pinnacle!!!!
BillKirch
Well I guess we'll see. You'd THINK they would have learned from all the flack
they surely got over 8. But...knowing corporate America.You'd think someone
here would have bought it by now and could give us a review. It has some
promising features,but, if they don't work then who cares. BG
GMAN
major code rework.....
Paul D. Sullivan
try the full featured thing for like 30 days or something.
No way I'm ever going to pay for another Pinnacle product unless
I try before the buy..
Kevin Reilly
Glowing review in the current edition of Computer Active (UK) but then
they've praised the features and competitive pricing of other Pinnacle
products (read S8) in the past so they're perhaps not the best gauge.
I'm going to wait and see what, if anything, is said on the Pinnacle
forums.
--
Kev
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Susan
>From what i understand, Studio 9, while still similar in appearance was a
>major code rework.....
TO POTENTIAL STUDIO 9 USERS:
Studio 9 is Studio 8 with a few minor features added, and an even
higher potential for bugs. Over 90% of the old Studio 8 code remains.
One hundred percent of the Studio 8 bugs remain!
Pinnacle's idea was to offer enough new features that the majority of
Studio 8 users would simply upgrade on the hope that Studio 9 would be
a complete re-write and thus have fewer bugs. This is why the
Pinnacle Sock-Puppets have been spreading the word that Studio 9 is a
major new product.
BUT, Studio 9 is simply Studio 8 with more bugs.
The problem came when Pinnacle decided to use Studio 8 to test Studio
9's new rendering engine at the same time they were trying to
incorporate Dazzle compatibility into the Studio line of products.
Pinnacle discovered they had major problems with Studio 9, and that
they had messed up Studio 8 at the same instant they had planned to
walk away from it. The resulting scramble to get a basic fix for
Studio 8 and find out what was wrong with Studio 9 has lead to
disaster for Studio 8 users as well as Pinnacle itself, since they
have had to delay the introduction of studio 9 by almost six months.
Pinnacle, of course, wants to have all their Studio 8 users switch
over to Studio 9 or Edition. However, they were afraid that if they
just walked away from Studio 8 when it had more bugs than
capabilities, that even die-hard Studio users would be so incensed
they would quit Pinnacle and move to software that worked.
While the software engineers have been desperately trying to get
Studio 8/9 working again, Pinnacle has unleashed its entire herd of
Sock-Puppets. If you look on the Studio 8 and 9 Web-Boards you will
see that almost all the posts are by Sock-Puppets and even old slugs
like Mike I. are actually posting again. At the same time, Pinnacle
is removing posts and banning posters at the highest level ever, even
as they are buying off several of their biggest critics.
(Hey, Manfred! I hope you held out for a full copy of Liquid Edition
and Studio 9 to come on as a Sock-Puppet!)
Pinnacle is desperate right now, and this is definitely NOT the time
to be paying them more money to support their bad habits. If you are
not a Sock-Puppet and thus not being given a fresh copy of Studio 9,
DO NOT PURCHASE Studio 9. IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO GET YOUR HANDS ON
STUDIO 9, do not purchase it until it is available with a BIG rebate,
and until AFTER Pinnacle releases at least version 9.5.
However, a better alternative would be to spend $99 and get a copy of
Canopus' Let's Edit.
Hope this helps... even the people silly enough to still be using
Pinnacle products.
Susan
Barry Guyer
Sometimes I think I must be the only person in the entire world who
has installed Studio 8 and had no problems whatsoever with it.
Barry
stankley
> glen...@xmission.com (GMAN) wrote:
>
> >From what i understand, Studio 9, while still similar in appearance was a
> >major code rework.....
>
> TO POTENTIAL STUDIO 9 USERS:
>
> Studio 9 is Studio 8 with a few minor features added, and an even
> higher potential for bugs. Over 90% of the old Studio 8 code remains.
> One hundred percent of the Studio 8 bugs remain!
>
>
> Susan
Susan - out of interest, what's the source of your information here?
Knowing this would give some validity to your comments. I'm not
doubting your facts, just would like to understand their legitimacy.
jolphil
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 BillKirch wrote:
>
> >Well I guess we'll see. You'd THINK they would have learned from all the flack
> >they surely got over 8. But...knowing corporate America.You'd think someone
> >here would have bought it by now and could give us a review. It has some
> >promising features,but, if they don't work then who cares. BG
>
> Glowing review in the current edition of Computer Active (UK) but then
> they've praised the features and competitive pricing of other Pinnacle
> products (read S8) in the past so they're perhaps not the best gauge.
>
> I'm going to wait and see what, if anything, is said on the Pinnacle
> forums.
WOW
I wish I had found this NG before I purchased Pinnacle 9
Nuff said
Paul D. Sullivan
Rataplan
Yes Barry, your impression is true.
Rataplan
Hi Susan,
thanks for this inside view.
My hope is that Studio 9 has one advantage over Studio 8:
More stability and much less error messages like "not enough disc
space" after 4 hours of encoding with 5 gigs left.
Do you have any practical experience with Studio 9?
Proto
No Barry you are not alone. I can say that I have had great success with S8
also. I just don't usually respond to TROLL postings. Such vindictive
imaturity only shows that some people just don't have a real life and seem
to get sick pleasure out of this type kids stuff . Surely not mature adult
behavior is one can't even get their own systems debugged and running
propperly. Takes all kinds I guess.
Paul D. Sullivan
to use and configure our systems, yet Pinnacle Studio 8 is still
quite unstable, even with all the patches and updates.
Even on the Pinnacle forums there are many who express concern
with the stability of the app.
I have 3 different machines here in the home office, have tried
98 SE, Win 2K and XP and there is always something in Studio 8
that causes problems. Some are very major show-stopping issues,
like constant crashing and corruption when making custom DVD
menus, while others are just annoying, such as having to save
your edits every 3 minutes because the program crashes and has to
be restarted often.
I really, really like the User Interface and most of the feature
set of Pinnacle Studio 8, but it just doesn't work consistently
enough for me to depend on it, you know?
Hope you can understand that...
GMAN
like either you are an insider or blowing off steam.
jolphil
BTW I cannot get Studio 9 to capture analog at all, whereas all my
other programs do, including a trial version of studio 8 ..Studio Tech
says work around it and capture in another program and import to
studio 9...
Now I see the reason for all the negative comments..
Good Luck,
JP
Proto
"Paul D. Sullivan" <dude...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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not. I do take a all others in such a childlike manor that there is NO ONE
that has EVER gotten S8 to work and attack the ones that post of their good
experiances with name calling. Again a very imature display of frustration.
I have ALWAY gotten resonces with any minor question from their tech support
and can post email to back up my claims. One must inderstand some basic
things to get S8 to work. It is not my mission in this post to point out all
of them but would gladly work with anyone to compare my successful install
and operation if anyone feels so inclined but will not be rudely interupted
by the likes of lamers on the usenet. Win XP and NTFS are needed to render
an uninterupted video and S8 will freeze if it is expected to go beyond a 2
gig limit or FAT32(Numer one mistake) All HDDs used must have Aux files
present and defragged with all background apps haulted. Numer two wrong
approach. The lenght of the transistions can cause a freeze while rendering.
One must isolate the offending transition. Starting with clean input file.
Good in good out. Far to many poeple are in a huge hurry to backup all old
poor quality VHS movies to DVD which is another wrong approach. Start
making a short test with the supplied example. Just to mention a few
guidelines.
Proto
Rbuoncri
I still am hestitant to gamble on the $60 upgrade cost given the bad
press.
(BTW - Use spell-check on your next post - it will give you more
credibility)
rb
No_rbuon...@ucla.edu (eliminate No_ _Spam_ for replys)
jac...@webtv.net
I'm not a computer person, and in most of these posts I have no idea
what you're talking about.
I had 8 installed in my Vaio laptop about a year ago, and I could'nt be
happier. I get such great looking scuba diving video's from S8, that I
would'nt even consider getting S9.
I have never lost a frame, never crashed, and never had it freeze on me.
If it work's, don't fix it.
I think too many of you are trying to force your programs & hardware
into doing things it wasn't intended to do, and that leads to problems.
Harry Putnam
> There are features in Studio 8 that NO ONE has EVER gotten to work.
> Just because you didn't need them doens't mean the rest of us should be
> happy with a crippled product.
Sorry to butt in but can you expand on which `features' those are?
Proto
"Rbuoncri" <rbuo...@nospamucla.edu > wrote in message
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I am not as sighted as I was in my younger days and will admit my short
commings but fail to understand that a handycap makes one less of a person.
Proto
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I have a free version that came with a new ATI card running on an old P3
450 with 768Megs FAT32 that does all for me that I ask of it. I have
designed some nice looking transitions with HFX Pro Ver5.1 that look nicer
than I had ever emagined. I also will wait for S9 to be a worthy uprade as I
too am fully satisfied.
>
Proto
"Chris Phillipo" <cphi...@ramsays-online.com> wrote in message
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> Just because you didn't need them doens't mean the rest of us should be
> happy with a crippled product.
> _________________________
> Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> http://www.ramsays-online.com
Would you care to be more specific?
Proto
> In article <m3y8rgm...@newsguy.com>, rea...@newsguy.com says...
> software in the first place.
> --
> _________________________
> Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> http://www.ramsays-online.com
Long before I got a DVD and even after I have made many SVCDs that work
wonderfully. I would be happly to mail so some if you do not believe me. As
a matter of fact I find them to be far better than I even thought they could
be. Now the VCDs are very poor but the software works fine. I make SVCDs on
my P3 that has no DVD burner. They play great on all of my APEX drives.
Maybe you are lacking a compatable DVD drive. Now THERE is a serious
compatablity issue with little known standards in the industry. Some play
some DVDs while others do NOT. The cheap ones seem to play better than the
ones that cost many time the price of an APEX. This tickles me when I see
the guys that blow big bucks on a DVD drive that is out done by an APEX :)
:) :)
Proto
> In article <i0zUb.7357$CE5....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>,
> dude...@hotmail.com says...
> again you could have just bought 7 at 1/2 the price if that's all you
> are doing.
> --
> _________________________
> Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
> http://www.ramsays-online.com
I tried output to tape but find it a useless application. I save the
original and burn to DVD what I like. If you care to discuss your system and
configuration I will gladly try to get you beyond any problems you are
having. I can give you an email addy if you care to share your issues. I
will spend as much time as you like and do on my system what you seem not to
be able to do on yours . I can tell you how I do it and see if you are doing
the exact things the exact way.
Proto
Will Dormann
I. VCD Creation
A. Resulting disc is not ISO9660 Compliant (directories aren't exact
multiples of sector size)
B. Studio always returns to menu between clips, regardless of
presence/absence of "Return to Menu" flag
C. The "Previous" button always goes to the previous chapter, but the
"Next" button always goes back to the VCD menu
D. When a chapter is playing, the numeric keypad is disabled
II. SVCD Creation
A. Studio doesn't create SCANDATA.DAT file, which causes issues with
FF/REW
B. TRACKS.DAT file is not a multiple of the sector size (2048)
III. Video Capture
A. Cannot reliably capture single field mode with DC10+ hardware.
These issues have been reported, and in much detail. But Pinnacle
chose not to fix any of them.
By the time I got a DVD burner, I had moved on to more mature/functional
software.
-WD
Paul D. Sullivan
Proto
"Will Dormann" <wdor...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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Still the fact remains that S8 DOES create SVCDs. The statement that it DOES
NOT is eronious. The real question I ask is what do you expect of an SVCD
anyway? I burn them as a video file and play them back fine. I don't plan
on creating one with motion menus and bells and whistles. It is only an
SVCD. S8s functionality is more than useful for anyones needs as I see it.
Do you buy Adobe SW or Vagus to create SVCDs? I think not. I tested every
function(S8) once or twice to find what I wanted it to do. I would not spend
much time trying to perfect the SUPER SCVD. I have also moved on to DVDs and
found no need to move to other applications. Plane and simple. If I needed
to move to Vagus or other app I would have done so in a heartbeat. Not on a
mission to defend S8 just trying to state the facts the it appears to me. I
am sorry others have not had the luck I have had.
Will Dormann
> A non compliant SVCD is no SVCD at all. I expect it to play in my
> client's players just like the ones I make with Ulead do. By the way,
> it seems you have not downloaded pinnacles progressivly worse updates to
> the program.
Yeah, that's the best part. Fix one thing, break two.
Starting with versions 8.8 (around July), the VCD support had gotten
even worse, with most of the video being OOS.
I even put together a flowchart and screenshots from my temporary
directory a while back to try and help Pinnacle realize and fix the issue.
http://dormcam.mine.nu:8080/flowchart.gif
http://dormcam.mine.nu:8080/s884vcdc.gif
http://dormcam.mine.nu:8080/s884vcdr.gif
The two screenshots also indicate that Studio 8 decides which VCD-ready
clips to re-render in a seemingly arbitrary manner. (Simply
re-arranging the order of the clips will produce different results as to
which clips are left alone or re-rendered)
I always used VCD-ready MPEG1 files (from VirtualDub/TMPGEnc), due to
the poor quality of Studio's encoder:
http://dormcam.mine.nu:8080/s8vsvdub
These problems were present through Studio 8.8.17"final". I have no
idea if it's been fixed by now, but going by their track record I'd have
to lean toward "no".
-WD
Proctor
> In article <LqZUb.193705$nt4.857691@attbi_s51>, N...@comcast.com says...
I am sorry your clients are having troubles. I would say to invest some of
your profit line in a PRO SW app at least. You are expecting to make a
living from S8? Now this is a good example of extreme expectations. I am
sorry if my words offend you but with the known issues that S8 has had and
some of us only trying to help others to get theirs to run as I am trying to
do can not possible have to respond to aid anyone in inceasing a bottom
line. Aside from the fact that the SVCD is not exactly a high tech money
market. Once again. I have no problems with SVCDs playing on any of my APEX
DVD drives. Cheap SW that creates cheap SVCDs that play on cheap DVD drives
seems to follow perfectly inline to me.
> A non compliant SVCD is no SVCD at all. I expect it to play in my
> client's players just like the ones I make with Ulead do. By the way,
> it seems you have not downloaded pinnacles progressivly worse updates to
> the program.
I have never had a need to update what has worked. Another very common
mistake that far to many people make with ALL software updates is their way
of thinking. One has to be very careful and identify a true update from what
has always been considered a PATCH. People have to spend time to read before
they hasten to download and install every 'upgrade' before they procede.
Read what issues it addresses and what fixes it applies to. If you have a
problem and it is not addressed in the perceived upgrade and it is only
really a patch then one is asking for trouble. I have had to rollback many
drivers in ATI cards that make my point. Work on one problem at a time.
There are very rarely FIXALLS in any upgrade of any piece of cheap SW.
Proctor
"Will Dormann" <wdor...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
Personally I admire you for sticking to a problem that has given you so
much trouble. This is where you and I differ. I would not spend as much time
on a problem unless I have a driving motovation to create resulting in
something of true value. Life it time are to precious.
Silence Seeker
Wow! I was about to purchase the latest Studio 9 (I own Studio DV 1.05
from quite a few years ago and decided to finally upgrade), but based
on so many negative things I read about this product I think I will go
with a different product.
Any particular one (that shines above others value-wise) you could
recommend? I only need it to edit my home videos (into
DVDs/mini-DVDs), I am not a professional (i.e. movie maker). What
about NeroVision Express?
Thanks,
Sam
Proto
"Silence Seeker" <silences...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Start Here and work your way up.
http://www.mightycoach.com/articles/mm2/junkclips-moviemaker2.html or type
MoveMaker2 into search engine and go from there. Free is always a place to
start with any venture.
Proto
Proto
> In article <%gpVb.3438$032.17687@attbi_s53>, MrPr...@comcast.com
> says...
> >
> > I am sorry your clients are having troubles. I would say to invest some
of
> > your profit line in a PRO SW app at least. You are expecting to make a
> > living from S8? Now this is a good example of extreme expectations. I am
> > sorry if my words offend you but with the known issues that S8 has had
and
> > some of us only trying to help others to get theirs to run as I am
trying to
> > do can not possible have to respond to aid anyone in inceasing a bottom
> > line. Aside from the fact that the SVCD is not exactly a high tech money
> > market. Once again. I have no problems with SVCDs playing on any of my
APEX
> > DVD drives. Cheap SW that creates cheap SVCDs that play on cheap DVD
drives
> > seems to follow perfectly inline to me.
> >
>
> Pinnacle tech support because you sound just like them. "Why are you
> trying to use that feature? It doesn't work, use some other software to
> do that." Chucklehead.
>
> APEX will play anything, by the way. That doens't help the people who
> don't own them.
OK. Here is the REAL DEAL. I just finished making an SVCD that worked
perfectly. I burned the SuperBowl Halftime with Moving Menu Background and
12 Menus that worked as it was planned. It returned to menu after each
chapter as I configured it to. I am sorry I only enjoy the use of APEX. I am
not sure ANY DVD Software will burn anything that will pay on ALL DVD
Drives. SO I don't seem to have any problems with my configuration of
system or my software. I STILL say those that are having troubles must be
configuring SW WRONG. If SW works it WORKS. Anyone having troubles must be
HARDWARE related or driver conflicts. SO if anyone feels like flaming then
go ahead. If anyone has any more questions then fire away. Any more things
to report that NEVER WORKED FOR ANYONE FROM THE START?
Proto
HighPeaksVideo
>12 Menus that worked as it was planned.
I take it that one of those menus is titled Booby. ;-)
Another might be "itchy penis" for ol' Nelly.
What a crappy show that was.
Craig H.
Proto
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Ya, that was the size of it. I do not find her exposure as distateful as
ALL these kiddie rappers doing their grab thing. I have seen this on chanels
like Disney with Arron Carter grabbing away for somtime now. Who stated this
anyway? Wasn't it M. Jackson himself?