Win95
Smudge
Dominic Ramsey shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>Mudcat <mbo...@removethis.idiom.com> wrote:
>
>> Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit
>> patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit
>> microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of
>> competition.
>
>MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
Okay, sig wars I am familiar with, but OS wars!
--
Smudge
diver
In article <mbothe-2307...@mbothe.dial.idiom.com>
mbo...@removethis.idiom.com "Mudcat" writes:
> Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit
> patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit
> microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of
> competition.
Quote of the year Mudcat. ROFL!!!
--
diver~ Money can't buy you friends, but you get a better class of enemy.
Adapted from a comment by Spike Milligan.
Dominic Ramsey
Mudcat <mbo...@removethis.idiom.com> wrote:
> Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit
> patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit
> microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of
> competition.
MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
Tribble
Once upon a time, Dominic Ramsey <d...@maquis.org> wrote:
: MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
From what I read, MacOS 8.0 doesn't even have a protected mode to
ensure that a single application crashing doesn't bring down the
whole system. Bit of a bummer.
--
Tribble Flibble
http://www.tribble.maquis.org/
The Tribble Foundation Est. 1997
Navel Fluff for a New Generation
Terrance Richard Boyes
Tribble (tri...@maquis.org) wrote:
> Once upon a time, Dominic Ramsey <d...@maquis.org> wrote:
>
> : MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
>
> From what I read, MacOS 8.0 doesn't even have a protected mode to
> ensure that a single application crashing doesn't bring down the
And Windows does??? Pity it doesn't work then.
> whole system. Bit of a bummer.
If you're talking about the new OS based on Next then it does, since Next
is basically UNIX...
--
<URL:http://www.pierrot.co.uk/> Team AMIGA
Legalize it - Don't Criticize it!
Haplo
Smudge wibbled:
>Haplo shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>>Smudge wibbled:
>>
>>>
>>>Okay, sig wars I am familiar with, but OS wars!
>>
>>The not-so-gentle sport of advocacy.
>
>Advocacy? Do you need an Advocado to do that?
No, but Advocaat helps.
--
Haplo
Smudge
Haplo shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>Smudge wibbled:
>
>>
>>Okay, sig wars I am familiar with, but OS wars!
>
>The not-so-gentle sport of advocacy.
Advocacy? Do you need an Advocado to do that?
>I'm surprised you haven't come
>across it before, Smudge. We've even indulged in it in alue.
That's because we are an indulgent lot.
--
Smudge
Alec Cawley
It was said by Smudge that
>Haplo shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>>Smudge wibbled:
>>
>>>
>>>Okay, sig wars I am familiar with, but OS wars!
>>
>>The not-so-gentle sport of advocacy.
>
>Advocacy? Do you need an Advocado to do that?
You need a pair of them
Alec
Haplo
Smudge wibbled:
>Dominic Ramsey shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>>Mudcat <mbo...@removethis.idiom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit
>>> patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit
>>> microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of
>>> competition.
>>
>>MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
>
>Okay, sig wars I am familiar with, but OS wars!
The not-so-gentle sport of advocacy. I'm surprised you haven't come
across it before, Smudge. We've even indulged in it in alue.
--
Haplo
Haplo
Tribble wibbled:
>Once upon a time, Dominic Ramsey <d...@maquis.org> wrote:
>
>: MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
>
>From what I read, MacOS 8.0 doesn't even have a protected mode to
>ensure that a single application crashing doesn't bring down the
>whole system. Bit of a bummer.
A Mac user will be along in a moment to point out that Mac
applications don't crash often enough for it to be necessary.
--
Haplo
Haplo
Terrance Richard Boyes wibbled:
>Tribble (tri...@maquis.org) wrote:
>> Once upon a time, Dominic Ramsey <d...@maquis.org> wrote:
>>
>> : MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
>>
>> From what I read, MacOS 8.0 doesn't even have a protected mode to
>> ensure that a single application crashing doesn't bring down the
>
>And Windows does??? Pity it doesn't work then.
I think that just about sums it up!
>> whole system. Bit of a bummer.
>
>If you're talking about the new OS based on Next then it does, since Next
>is basically UNIX...
That is something that would definitely tempt me away from Micro$not.
--
Haplo
Terrance Richard Boyes
Haplo (ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> Terrance Richard Boyes wibbled:
>
> >If you're talking about the new OS based on Next then it does, since Next
> >is basically UNIX...
>
> That is something that would definitely tempt me away from Micro$not.
And me as an alternative to AmigaDOS... A lot of my current setup is
failry UNIX like as far as shell stuff is concerned anyway... But the
preferred scenario is to run both on a PPC, either simultaneously (using
Mac emulation) or at the worst seperately.
--
<URL:http://www.pierrot.co.uk/> Team AMIGA
It is a rather pleasent experience to be alone in a bank at night.
- Willie Sutton
Tribble
Once upon a time, Terrance Richard Boyes <t...@pierrot.co.uk> wrote:
: Tribble (tri...@maquis.org) wrote:
: >
: > From what I read, MacOS 8.0 doesn't even have a protected mode to
: > ensure that a single application crashing doesn't bring down the
: And Windows does??? Pity it doesn't work then.
erk! All I said was something I heard about MacOS, I didn't mention
Windows at all, or say Windows is ace or even that I use Windows or
that I don't like Macs.
Let's hope that no-one who DOES kiss Bill Gates bottom on a daily
basis posts here or this thread could flood the whole group like the
"MAC IS SHIT" "NO, WINDOWS IS SHIT" "WELL MAC IS SHIITIER" threads
which have destroyed so many in the past. Especially when some amusing
person crossposts to alt.kill.all.mac.users AND alt.bill.is.satan
My only point was that I would have hoped a new OS would incorporate
something like that because it would be progress worth having. It
is due for the MacOS to follow I hear.
To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
--
Tribble Flibble
The Tribble Foundation - http://www.tribble.maquis.org/
"Madame, ist thou donning space underwear? For thine ass doth lie beyond
the physical boundaries of this world!"
Dominic Ramsey
Haplo <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >If you're talking about the new OS based on Next then it does, since Next
> >is basically UNIX...
>
> That is something that would definitely tempt me away from Micro$not.
You just need to run Linux, and a decent Window manager like AfterStep. I use
it all the time (in conjunction with Win 95), and the combination works
really well.
Maggie
In article <mbothe-2307...@mbothe.dial.idiom.com>,
mbo...@removethis.idiom.com (Mudcat) wrote:
>Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit
>patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit
>microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of
>competition.
>
ROTFL!
Thanks for that. :-)
--
Maggie, had a trying day
Peter Ceresole
In article <33d71121...@news.demon.co.uk>,
ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk (Haplo) wrote:
>A Mac user will be along in a moment to point out that Mac
>applications don't crash often enough for it to be necessary.
Yes; that's me.
"Mac applications don't crash often enough for it to be necessary."
But then I'm using boring old MacOS 7.5.2
--
Peter
Vivianne
In article <5r845o$7hk$1...@shakaar.maquis.org>, Dominic Ramsey
<d...@maquis.org> wibbled ........
>You just need to run Linux
Aaaaaaaaargh! You mentioned it...
You have been warned...
--
Puss in Boots
Mudcat
> To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
But some more that others.
--
Mudcat
Do be do be do
Tribble
Once upon a time, Haplo <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Tribble wibbled:
: >To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
: Not all of them... VMS is an excellent operating system. Completely
: useless to people that cannot use a CLI, but I'd say that's its only
: major failing. In fact, that could be a good thing because it
: discourages fuckwits who can only understand things if they have a
: nice pretty window around them.
The thing about VMS is YOU HAVE TO SHOUT YOUR COMMANDS. At least,
you did on the one I used. Maybe it would have helped if I had
a manual, but I found even changing directory to be a major
chore. No-one ever bothered to tell me the short-cuts so I got
a bit put off.
: This tribble chap seems to be getting a bit serious lately.
Well I am usually so silly and make pointless remarks.
I apologise, which way do you prefer me?
Haplo
Tribble wibbled:
>Once upon a time, Haplo <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>: Tribble wibbled:
>
>: >To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
>
>: Not all of them... VMS is an excellent operating system. Completely
>: useless to people that cannot use a CLI, but I'd say that's its only
>: major failing. In fact, that could be a good thing because it
>: discourages fuckwits who can only understand things if they have a
>: nice pretty window around them.
>
>The thing about VMS is YOU HAVE TO SHOUT YOUR COMMANDS. At least,
>you did on the one I used.
VMS is not case sensitive - whoever told you that was talking out of
their rectum. I think you may have suffered from
died-in-the-wool-oldtime-system-manager-syndrome.
>Maybe it would have helped if I had
>a manual, but I found even changing directory to be a major
>chore.
But easy when you know how. On the rare occasions that I use DOS, I
find myself having to stop myself from typing "set def" - it's just a
convention. After all, you had to learn to use 'cd' (and in some
cases to remember the differences between the DOS 'cd' and the Unix
'cd').
The VMS manual set is massive, and requires a cabinet all to itself.
Ditto proper Unix manual sets.
>No-one ever bothered to tell me the short-cuts so I got
>a bit put off.
Probably more d-i-t-w-o-t-m-s. The shortcuts are there for users;
proper system managers avoid them (and this applies to all operating
systems). If you get used to using aliases etc, you forget the proper
syntax which will work in all circumstances. This can be a bit of a
problem if you have to work on an unfamiliar system, or an unfamiliar
account, or, God forbid, a partially functioning system.
>: This tribble chap seems to be getting a bit serious lately.
>
>Well I am usually so silly and make pointless remarks.
>I apologise, which way do you prefer me?
I thought the silly and pointless remarks where Tribble's job. And
Dom's job was, errrr, pointless and silly remarks.
Okay, you got me there. What about 'ser...@maquis.org' or
'sens...@maquis.org'? Or 'bor...@maquis.org'?
--
Haplo
Tobes
In article <33d7114f...@news.demon.co.uk>, Haplo
<ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> writes
>Terrance Richard Boyes wibbled:
>
>>Tribble (tri...@maquis.org) wrote:
>>> Once upon a time, Dominic Ramsey <d...@maquis.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> : MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
>>>
>>> ensure that a single application crashing doesn't bring down the
>>
>>And Windows does??? Pity it doesn't work then.
>
>
>>
>>If you're talking about the new OS based on Next then it does, since Next
>>is basically UNIX...
>
>That is something that would definitely tempt me away from Micro$not.
>
--
Tobes
Haplo
diver wibbled:
>In article <33d8ac5b...@news.demon.co.uk>
> ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk "Haplo" writes:
>
>> VMS is not case sensitive - whoever told you that was talking out of
>> their rectum. I think you may have suffered from
>> died-in-the-wool-oldtime-system-manager-syndrome.
>
> make a good un that : He had " DITWOSMS " , Yes I like it Ditwosms.
Come to think of it, it reads rather well. Ditwosms. Bugger to type
quickly, though.
>> But easy when you know how. On the rare occasions that I use DOS, I
>> find myself having to stop myself from typing "set def" - it's just a
>> convention. After all, you had to learn to use 'cd' (and in some
>> cases to remember the differences between the DOS 'cd' and the Unix
>> 'cd').
>
> I quite like and still use DOS, there are quite a few UNIXy things in it.
> Am I right in saying DOS is written in C?
Unix is written in C. Dunno about DOS; it never occurred to me
before.
>> The VMS manual set is massive, and requires a cabinet all to itself.
>> Ditto proper Unix manual sets.
>
> Yes, I've seen the "FULL" set, it *is* huge. I think MEDIA & DOCs used to
> be about 2.5k on TK50.
You mean UKP2500? It's a bit cheaper now I think, but certainly over
UKP1000. Of course all the docs come on CD, but sometimes only a
manual will do.
> Anyway, how is Haplo, we haven't chewed the fat lately.
Errr, now is not a good time to ask (for reasons alluded to
elsewhere). I'm still thinking about when I can make it up to Leeds
for some proper fat-chewing, however.
--
Haplo
Haplo
Sarah Goddard wibbled:
>Tribble (tri...@maquis.org) wrote:
>: Once upon a time, Haplo <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>: : Tribble wibbled:
>:
>: : >To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
>:
>: : Not all of them... VMS is an excellent operating system. Completely
>: : useless to people that cannot use a CLI,
>
>I don't know what a CLI is.
Command Line Interpreter.
>: : but I'd say that's its only
>: : major failing. In fact, that could be a good thing because it
>: : discourages fuckwits who can only understand things if they have a
>: : nice pretty window around them.
>
>I love VMS. I get all misty eyed when I think about working
>with VMS. <fx: wipes away a tear>
!!!!!!!!! Have you told your analyst about this?
I have to say that it is the *only* system that I will automatically
defend.
>Since when does anyone ever use a manual for anything?
>I usually just ask what the command is for 'help' on that
>system, read through a few things as I need them.
And of course the on-line help in VMS is extensive and useful.
Sometimes though, a manual is essential, especially when programming
with system services. But those days are long gone for me.
>There are lots of nice sensible commands that have been
>available for years in VMS that Microsoft has completely
>ignored until Win95. About fricking time.
And one the best things about VMS, the clustering, is starting to
appear in NT. Give them another 5 years and NT might get somewhere.
Of course, when you consider that the chief architect of VMS was
poached by Microsoft to develop NT it's pretty clear which way it's
likely to develop.
--
Haplo
Haplo
Tobes wibbled:
>I've read some disturbing reports about the FPU performance of the K6.
>I don't know how true these are as I have yet to see a direct
>Pentium/P2/K6 test, but it might be worth considering if your gonna play
>a lot of games on it.
Ahhh, but it'll still be quicker than the 166/MMX that they fobbed me
off with in the meantime, and of course the P2 requires a completely
different motherboard, so I shall relentlessly pursue my plans for a
K6. The one thing I wouldn't touch is a Cyrix from the games point of
view.
Unless you meant that it just doesn't work, rather than the
performance...?
--
Haplo
Haplo
Smudge wibbled:
>Haplo shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>>Smudge wibbled:
>>>Haplo shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>>>>Smudge wibbled:
>>>>>
>>>>>Okay, sig wars I am familiar with, but OS wars!
>>>>
>>>>The not-so-gentle sport of advocacy.
>>>
>>>Advocacy? Do you need an Advocado to do that?
>>
>>No, but Advocaat helps.
>
>Advocaat makes me throw up!
One of my brothers-in-law (the clever one) was HR director for Gaymer
for a few years, and during that time he was responsible for Warninks.
I am still programmed to say how wonderful it is, so I shall shut up.
--
Haplo
Alec Cawley
It was said by Haplo that
>Tribble wibbled:
>
>>To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
>
>Not all of them... VMS is an excellent operating system. Completely
>major failing. In fact, that could be a good thing because it
>discourages fuckwits who can only understand things if they have a
>nice pretty window around them.
>
>10 years experience I have only ever known it to crash under *extreme*
>provocation (which was usually deliberate, because I was working with
>beta software).
VMS crashes in my place of work more than once a day, on average. They
are blaming the hardware, and we get a visit about once a week from a
repair man with a new bit of replacement kit, but they still haven't
fixed it after two months or so. Is it really hardware? Or maybe VMS
isn't *that* bombproof.
Alec
Mudcat
> >
> > That is something that would definitely tempt me away from Micro$not.
>
> it all the time (in conjunction with Win 95), and the combination works
> really well.
Bill says that Win98 will solve all your problems.
Sarah Goddard
:
: : >To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
:
: : Not all of them... VMS is an excellent operating system. Completely
: : useless to people that cannot use a CLI,
I don't know what a CLI is.
: : but I'd say that's its only
: : major failing. In fact, that could be a good thing because it
: : discourages fuckwits who can only understand things if they have a
: : nice pretty window around them.
I love VMS. I get all misty eyed when I think about working
with VMS. <fx: wipes away a tear>
: The thing about VMS is YOU HAVE TO SHOUT YOUR COMMANDS. At least,
: you did on the one I used. Maybe it would have helped if I had
: a manual, but I found even changing directory to be a major
: chore. No-one ever bothered to tell me the short-cuts so I got
: a bit put off.
Since when does anyone ever use a manual for anything?
I usually just ask what the command is for 'help' on that
system, read through a few things as I need them.
There are lots of nice sensible commands that have been
available for years in VMS that Microsoft has completely
ignored until Win95. About fricking time.
: : This tribble chap seems to be getting a bit serious lately.
:
: Well I am usually so silly and make pointless remarks.
: I apologise, which way do you prefer me?
Hard boiled? Poached? What is the best way to have tribble?
Sarahg
--
la la la la la
Smudge
Haplo shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>Smudge wibbled:
>>Haplo shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>>>Smudge wibbled:
>>>>
>>>>Okay, sig wars I am familiar with, but OS wars!
>>>
>>>The not-so-gentle sport of advocacy.
>>
>>Advocacy? Do you need an Advocado to do that?
>
>No, but Advocaat helps.
Advocaat makes me throw up!
--
Smudge
diver
> VMS is not case sensitive - whoever told you that was talking out of
> their rectum. I think you may have suffered from
> died-in-the-wool-oldtime-system-manager-syndrome.
make a good un that : He had " DITWOSMS " , Yes I like it Ditwosms.
> But easy when you know how. On the rare occasions that I use DOS, I
> find myself having to stop myself from typing "set def" - it's just a
> convention. After all, you had to learn to use 'cd' (and in some
> cases to remember the differences between the DOS 'cd' and the Unix
> 'cd').
I quite like and still use DOS, there are quite a few UNIXy things in it.
Am I right in saying DOS is written in C?
> The VMS manual set is massive, and requires a cabinet all to itself.
> Ditto proper Unix manual sets.
Yes, I've seen the "FULL" set, it *is* huge. I think MEDIA & DOCs used to
be about 2.5k on TK50.
> >No-one ever bothered to tell me the short-cuts so I got
> >a bit put off.
>
> Probably more d-i-t-w-o-t-m-s. The shortcuts are there for users;
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aha, you already use it. :-) Great minds etc...
Anyway, how is Haplo, we haven't chewed the fat lately.
--
diver~ It's clever, but is it Art?
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master
R J Kipling 1865 - 1936
Smudge
Mudcat shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
--
Smudge
Tobes
In article <33d86c9e...@news.demon.co.uk>, Haplo
<ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> writes
>Dominic Ramsey wibbled:
>
>>Haplo <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> >If you're talking about the new OS based on Next then it does, since Next
>>> >is basically UNIX...
>>>
>>
>>You just need to run Linux, and a decent Window manager like AfterStep. I use
>>it all the time (in conjunction with Win 95), and the combination works
>>really well.
>
>at the moment. However, as I shall be getting my K6 chip installed
>next week (*) it might be wise to wait until then before I wade in
>trying to sort the problem out.
I've read some disturbing reports about the FPU performance of the K6.
I don't know how true these are as I have yet to see a direct
Pentium/P2/K6 test, but it might be worth considering if your gonna play
a lot of games on it.
--
Tobes
Tobes
In article <mbothe-2507...@mbothe.dial.idiom.com>, Mudcat
<mbo...@removethis.idiom.com> writes
>>
>> You just need to run Linux, and a decent Window manager like AfterStep. I use
>> it all the time (in conjunction with Win 95), and the combination works
>> really well.
>
>
be shelling out 80 quid or so for that!
--
Tobes
Tobes
In article <5r6156$4dl$3...@shakaar.maquis.org>, Tribble
<tri...@maquis.org> writes
>Once upon a time, Dominic Ramsey <d...@maquis.org> wrote:
>
>: MacOS 8.0: n. Outdated junk that will not save the company.
>
>From what I read, MacOS 8.0 doesn't even have a protected mode to
>ensure that a single application crashing doesn't bring down the
>
But the fact that they can get away with this says something about the
care with with Mac applications are coded.
--
Tobes
Maggie
In article <5r84r0$7hn$1...@shakaar.maquis.org>,
Tribble <tri...@maquis.org> wrote:
<snip>
>
>To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
>
Of course, some leave more to be desired than others.
--
Maggie
Dominic Ramsey
Mudcat <mbo...@removethis.idiom.com> wrote:
> In article <5r845o$7hk$1...@shakaar.maquis.org>, Dominic Ramsey
> <d...@maquis.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > That is something that would definitely tempt me away from Micro$not.
> >
> > You just need to run Linux, and a decent Window manager like AfterStep. I use
> > it all the time (in conjunction with Win 95), and the combination works
> > really well.
> Bill says that Win98 will solve all your problems.
I thought I just said I had no problems.
Dominic Ramsey
Haplo <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Tribble wibbled:
>
> Okay, you got me there. What about 'ser...@maquis.org' or
> 'sens...@maquis.org'? Or 'bor...@maquis.org'?
No, I wouldn't bother. He's already bor...@demon.net. :)
Mark Hillman
Haplo sayethed...
> I shall be getting my K6 chip installed next week
Barsteward
Markus...
--
Small print leads to LARGE risk...
-8th Rule Of Acquisition Mar...@enterprise.net
leCHEF
Haplo
Dominic Ramsey wibbled:
>Haplo <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> >If you're talking about the new OS based on Next then it does, since Next
>> >is basically UNIX...
>>
>> That is something that would definitely tempt me away from Micro$not.
>
>You just need to run Linux, and a decent Window manager like AfterStep. I use
>it all the time (in conjunction with Win 95), and the combination works
>really well.
I'm having a wee bit of trouble getting linux installed on my machine
at the moment. However, as I shall be getting my K6 chip installed
next week (*) it might be wise to wait until then before I wade in
trying to sort the problem out.
(*) Evesham Micros have, apparently, been trying to contact me for
weeks about this upgrade. But the woman that was dealing with it only
had the number of place I was working in Newcastle, and an email to me
never arrived. As I know they have two other phone numbers for me,
and I am not aware of any mail not reaching me (tricky one, that), I
have my doubts. However, if I get the chip I shall be happy.
--
Haplo
diver
In article <33d9e668...@news.demon.co.uk>
ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk "Haplo" writes:
> No; media and docs are the same price. Licenses are a different
> matter, however, although I understand that some licensing is now done
> per user, regardless of the machine. I could be wrong; I haven't
> bought any VMS software (except for some VMS licenses) for years.
Of course, the VMS binaries were purchased (read: rented really) in the
format > 1 - 40 user / 1 - n user ( Unlimited ). Then when Open VMS came
out, all licenses were obtained individually. A base processor ( ie: A
4600 open VMS came with 1 user open VMS, the user then had to purchase
extra user licenses as he saw fit. I don't know if VaxCluster & DECNET*
are now bundled in with VMS? Dec licencing and re-licensing is a mine
field, I used to Jam with one of the big-wigs @ licencing in Reading, and
even he had trouble keeping up with DEC policy.
* DECNET full fuction though is definitely an upgrade.
I once got involved in setting up a multi platform IBM > Digital SNA
gateway, to say it was difficult to make sure *all* the options, add ons
country packs were included and costed is a gross understatement.
I just kept on adding wierd codes until my mind went crazy. It might have
made it easier if products code's matched hardware in some way. For example
the Disks were suffixed "R" instead of D, and the Ethernet products "D".
It was horrible, one only had to missread one column and you could end up
undercharging or overcharging by a five figure sum.
No wonder the big boys loved their propriety software, it cost a bloody
fortune. And the silly options kept on rising and rising, the fact the user
couldn't understand it either was err....not deliberate.. Oh no. ;-)
> > You are always welcome to come for a jolly, you know that. :-)
>
> Indeed. And I shall. :)
I'll blackball all Tetley pubs and we may pursuade a very skeptical
Smudgington to come along again. Leeds 2 ( The all-nighter ) anyone?
This time its - Boozing - Thai/Chinese - Lap dancing - gambling and finish
off with the infamous ( Vague club ), vaugue as in your gender is supposed
to be vague to get in. Full of Lily Savage lookalikes and Carmen Mirranda
clones. It's a night you won't forget in a hurry, I promise you. ;-)
I'd like to think we could drag Gulplum up to taste the *real* sleeze this
time around. Liver/Fava beans and Chianti courtesy of Leeds Armoury from
there last " Battle of Boswell Field " mess -up. Either that, or we'll raid
Jimmys for his supper.
John Hall
In article <5ra5qj$a6p$1...@shakaar.maquis.org>, Tribble
<tri...@maquis.org> writes>: >To summarise, Operating Systems leave plenty to be desired.
>
>: Not all of them... VMS is an excellent operating system. Completely
>: major failing. In fact, that could be a good thing because it
>: discourages fuckwits who can only understand things if they have a
>: nice pretty window around them.
>
>you did on the one I used.
?
Case insensitive, unless my memory has completely gone.
Like Haplo, I liked VMS. Before that, I liked George 3 on the ICL 1900
range, which back in the early 1970s was ahead of its time in lots of
ways. Mind you, it did tend to crash every 5 minutes or so. The sound of
"The system has temporarily closed down" being output almost
simultaneously on 10 or so teletypes was quite impressive (no poncy VDUs
back in those days).
--
John Hall
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Attributed to the Commander of Japan's Submarine Forces in WW2
John Hall
In article <EyL7yBAp...@cawley.demon.co.uk>, Alec Cawley
<al...@cawley.demon.co.uk> writes
>VMS crashes in my place of work more than once a day, on average. They
>are blaming the hardware, and we get a visit about once a week from a
>repair man with a new bit of replacement kit, but they still haven't
>fixed it after two months or so. Is it really hardware? Or maybe VMS
>isn't *that* bombproof.
My experience is the same as Haplo's. In about 10 years of use I found
VMS very reliable.
Tobes
In article <33d939c3...@news.demon.co.uk>, Haplo
<ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> writes
>Tobes wibbled:
>
>>I've read some disturbing reports about the FPU performance of the K6.
>>I don't know how true these are as I have yet to see a direct
>>Pentium/P2/K6 test, but it might be worth considering if your gonna play
>>a lot of games on it.
>
>off with in the meantime, and of course the P2 requires a completely
>different motherboard, so I shall relentlessly pursue my plans for a
>K6. The one thing I wouldn't touch is a Cyrix from the games point of
>view.
>
>Unless you meant that it just doesn't work, rather than the
>performance...?
No, I'm sure it works, but the text I saw was from a guy comparing a
K6-200 and a P200MMX. He said that the performance in Quake was
diabolical, and when he ran a floating-point test on the K6, it turned
in the same performance as a P120!
As I said before, I have absolutely no way of know if this was true, and
the guy may have been lying for all I know.
--
Tobes
Tribble
: > Okay, you got me there. What about 'ser...@maquis.org' or
: > 'sens...@maquis.org'? Or 'bor...@maquis.org'?
: No, I wouldn't bother. He's already bor...@demon.net. :)
Brian Oring is going to be rather displeased at the amount of
hate mail he's now going to get, Dom.
--
Tribble Flibble
The Tribble Foundation - http://www.tribble.maquis.org/
"I find your eye sockets to be a wondrous amusement park filled with
neo-plastic pleasures and oncogenic delights."
Mark Hillman
Haplo sayethed...
> Ahhh, but it'll still be quicker than the 166/MMX that they fobbed me
> off with ...
[fx: *sobs* into a glass of warm milk...]
Markus...
--
Old age and greed will *always* overcome youth and talent...
-49th Rule Of Acquisition...
Mar...@enterprise.net
leCHEF
Simon & Kathryn
Terrance Richard Boyes <t...@pierrot.co.uk> put nose to keyboard and
managed:
>Sarah Goddard (sgod...@speakeasy.org) wrote:
>> Tribble (tri...@maquis.org) wrote:
>> :
>> : : Not all of them... VMS is an excellent operating system. Completely
>> : : useless to people that cannot use a CLI,
>>
>
>work done :)
>
The main problem with CLI systems is that they don't tend to have spell
checkers. ;-)
--
Simon & Kathryn
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Sir Martin Rees - Astronomer
Simon & Kathryn
diver <div...@zenon.demon.co.uk> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>Full of Lily Savage lookalikes and Carmen Mirranda
> clones. It's a night you won't forget in a hurry, I promise you. ;-)
After what you've been suggesting about me Clive...
--
Simon
Ferdy fan
Maggie
In article <vox1NFA2$P2z...@iconia.demon.co.uk>,
Tobes <tcgr...@iconia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <33d7114f...@news.demon.co.uk>, Haplo
><ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Terrance Richard Boyes wibbled:
>>
<snip>
>>>If you're talking about the new OS based on Next then it does, since Next
>>>is basically UNIX...
>>
>>That is something that would definitely tempt me away from Micro$not.
>>
>It's called Rhapsody I believe.
Rhapsody is not Mac OS 8, nor is it a replacement OS - it's a dual-OS,
multiple platform strategy. (Allegro was the codename for OS 8) 'Yellow
Box' is one part of Rhapsody, based on Next's OpenStep APIs, with the other
part of Rhap being 'Blue Box' which lets users run most Mac OS software. In
development is Rhapsody for Intel-based PCs, Yellow Box for Macs and Yellow
Box for Windows.
--
Maggie
Haplo
Tobes wibbled:
>>Unless you meant that it just doesn't work, rather than the
>>performance...?
>
>No, I'm sure it works, but the text I saw was from a guy comparing a
>K6-200 and a P200MMX. He said that the performance in Quake was
>diabolical, and when he ran a floating-point test on the K6, it turned
>in the same performance as a P120!
Ah well, as my personal performance in Quake is far less than would do
a P120 justice it doesn't really matter.
>As I said before, I have absolutely no way of know if this was true, and
>the guy may have been lying for all I know.
Quite possibly. It does seem out of sorts with all the other
performance reviews I've seen.
--
Haplo
Haplo
Richard Robinson wibbled:
>In article <33d93a6a...@news.demon.co.uk>,
>Haplo <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I quite like and still use DOS, there are quite a few UNIXy things in it.
>>> Am I right in saying DOS is written in C?
>>
>>Unix is written in C. Dunno about DOS; it never occurred to me
>>before.
>
>Doesn't make much difference, does it, unless you're in a position to
>compile it ?
If I was in a position to compile DOS, I think I would be very
worried.
--
Haplo
Haplo
John Hall wibbled:
>Like Haplo, I liked VMS. Before that, I liked George 3 on the ICL 1900
>range, which back in the early 1970s was ahead of its time in lots of
>ways. Mind you, it did tend to crash every 5 minutes or so. The sound of
>"The system has temporarily closed down" being output almost
>simultaneously on 10 or so teletypes was quite impressive (no poncy VDUs
>back in those days).
I am just old/experienced enough to have knowledge of teletypes and
<cringe> console tapes. No doubt there are still some out there
somewhere...
--
Haplo
Haplo
diver wibbled:
<snip VMS licensing stuuf>
Buying any Digital box is much easier now, but I can remember finding
with horror that even the mains cable was listed separately in the
catalogue...
>> > You are always welcome to come for a jolly, you know that. :-)
>>
>> Indeed. And I shall. :)
>
> I'll blackball all Tetley pubs and we may pursuade a very skeptical
> Smudgington to come along again. Leeds 2 ( The all-nighter ) anyone?
All-nighter? I might make it to about 4am... does that count?
> This time its - Boozing
Uh huh.
> Thai/Chinese
Cool. Thai please, same place as before.
> Lap dancing
I can't do that, but other people can do it to me.
> gambling
Ah, the infamous casino. This is going to require a few taxis, is it
not?
> and finish
> off with the infamous ( Vague club ), vaugue as in your gender is supposed
> to be vague to get in. Full of Lily Savage lookalikes and Carmen Mirranda
> clones. It's a night you won't forget in a hurry, I promise you. ;-)
Not my usual sort of thing, but if I'm still alive after all the other
stuff...
> I'd like to think we could drag Gulplum up to taste the *real* sleeze this
> time around. Liver/Fava beans and Chianti courtesy of Leeds Armoury from
> there last " Battle of Boswell Field " mess -up. Either that, or we'll raid
> Jimmys for his supper.
I cannot get used to the idea that someone that lives in Earl's Court
would need to go to Leeds to taste some sleaze.
--
Haplo
Haplo
Mark Hillman wibbled:
>Haplo sayethed...
>
>> Ahhh, but it'll still be quicker than the 166/MMX that they fobbed me
>> off with ...
>
>[fx: *sobs* into a glass of warm milk...]
Bullseye!
--
Haplo
diver
In article <33da9ca9...@news.demon.co.uk>
ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk "Haplo" writes:
> diver wibbled:
>
> <snip VMS licensing stuuf>
>
> Buying any Digital box is much easier now, but I can remember finding
> with horror that even the mains cable was listed separately in the
> catalogue...
LOL, yes I remember too, modularisation gone mad. It made quoting the
systems a nightmare, in the end I threw it at Lotus 123 and it got the
job done. It took me and a colleague forever to imput the variables. :-(
> >> > You are always welcome to come for a jolly, you know that. :-)
> >>
> >> Indeed. And I shall. :)
> >
> > I'll blackball all Tetley pubs and we may pursuade a very skeptical
> > Smudgington to come along again. Leeds 2 ( The all-nighter ) anyone?
>
> All-nighter? I might make it to about 4am... does that count?
That's about an hour later than I'll manage, I say we do it. :-)
> > I'd like to think we could drag Gulplum up to taste the *real* sleeze this
> > time around. Liver/Fava beans and Chianti courtesy of Leeds Armoury from
> > there last " Battle of Boswell Field " mess -up. Either that, or we'll raid
> > Jimmys for his supper.
>
> I cannot get used to the idea that someone that lives in Earl's Court
> would need to go to Leeds to taste some sleaze.
Am I right in saying Earls Court is like little Sydney? If so, then I see
your point.
Smudge
diver shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
> I'll blackball all Tetley pubs and we may pursuade a very skeptical
> Smudgington to come along again. Leeds 2 ( The all-nighter ) anyone?
Yes please :)
--
Smudge
diver
In article <33da9e42...@news.demon.co.uk>
ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk "Haplo" writes:
Hmmm, ahh yes, my first experience of computers was an ICL system 10.
I think they bought out "Singer Systems". I can still remember the guy
who interviewed me saying in a proud voice, " We have one of the largest
systems in the city, it has 32K of memory!!". I looked suitably impressed
and got the job.
Jim
> diver wibbled:
>
> <snip VMS licensing stuuf>
>
> Buying any Digital box is much easier now, but I can remember finding
> with horror that even the mains cable was listed separately in the
> catalogue...
It still is very much like that. The difference now is that the Dec resellers
are more helpful than Dec ever where.
I think the worst horror story is trying to understand a Dec Hardware Maint.
Contract. I am just dissecting one (that runs to 38 pages) in an attempt to
take the contract away from Dec and give it to Team. I am terrified that I
will miss one item that turns out to be a key component.
--
Jim.
Simon & Kathryn
Maggie <maq...@maquis.org> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>
>Rhapsody is not Mac OS 8, nor is it a replacement OS - it's a dual-OS,
>multiple platform strategy. (Allegro was the codename for OS 8) 'Yellow
>Box' is one part of Rhapsody, based on Next's OpenStep APIs, with the other
>part of Rhap being 'Blue Box' which lets users run most Mac OS software. In
>development is Rhapsody for Intel-based PCs, Yellow Box for Macs and Yellow
>Box for Windows.
>
diver
In article <AA9qN+A3...@ghent.demon.co.uk>
se...@ghent.demon.co.uk "Simon & Kathryn" writes:
> diver <div...@zenon.demon.co.uk> put nose to keyboard and managed:
> >Full of Lily Savage lookalikes and Carmen Mirranda
> > clones. It's a night you won't forget in a hurry, I promise you. ;-)
>
> After what you've been suggesting about me Clive...
Ooh that, I couldn't care less, bring Ferdy along if you want to. ;-)
Haplo
diver wibbled:
> Am I right in saying Earls Court is like little Sydney? If so, then I see
> your point.
Are you saying Sydney is little? He might take offence at that. More
like a little Ferdy, I'd say...
--
Haplo
Haplo
Simon & Kathryn wibbled:
>The main problem with CLI systems is that they don't tend to have spell
>checkers. ;-)
Only the primitive ones that tell you that you have made a mistake,
but not what it is.
--
Haplo
Haplo
diver wibbled:
> Hmmm, ahh yes, my first experience of computers was an ICL system 10.
> I think they bought out "Singer Systems". I can still remember the guy
> who interviewed me saying in a proud voice, " We have one of the largest
> systems in the city, it has 32K of memory!!". I looked suitably impressed
> and got the job.
Just before the City's Big Bang, then...
--
Haplo
Kay
Haplo wrote
>
>I am just old/experienced enough to have knowledge of teletypes and
><cringe> console tapes. No doubt there are still some out there
>somewhere...
>
week. They seemed to have earthworm data on them - I thought I'd better
not throw thwm out ....
--
Kay
'Today is the past that somebody in the future is longing to go back to'
Tim Bierman
In article <33dceeab...@news.demon.co.uk>
ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk "Haplo" writes:
> >The main problem with CLI systems is that they don't tend to have spell
> >checkers. ;-)
>
> Only the primitive ones that tell you that you have made a mistake,
> but not what it is.
Unlike really sophisticated operating systems that tell you ... umm ...
"General Protection Fault" ...
--
Tim
(Remove '_' in address to reply)
Kay
Smudge wrote
--
Kay As long an interval as possible should intervene between the meal and
the resumption of the day's work
Everything Within, 1937
Smudge
Kay shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>Smudge wrote
>>diver shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>>
>>
>>> I'll blackball all Tetley pubs and we may pursuade a very skeptical
>>> Smudgington to come along again. Leeds 2 ( The all-nighter ) anyone?
>>
>>Yes please :)
> I'll be there!
Great. Maybe this time I'll be sober enough to come and talk to you!
--
Smudge
Haplo
Tim Bierman wibbled:
>In article <33dceeab...@news.demon.co.uk>
> ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk "Haplo" writes:
>
>> >The main problem with CLI systems is that they don't tend to have spell
>> >checkers. ;-)
>>
>> Only the primitive ones that tell you that you have made a mistake,
>> but not what it is.
>
>Unlike really sophisticated operating systems that tell you ... umm ...
>"General Protection Fault" ...
With a memory address to make it look really useful...
--
Haplo
Haplo
Kay wibbled:
>Haplo wrote
>>
>>I am just old/experienced enough to have knowledge of teletypes and
>><cringe> console tapes. No doubt there are still some out there
>>somewhere...
>>
>I found some paper tapes when I was clearing out our back bedroom last
>week. They seemed to have earthworm data on them - I thought I'd better
>not throw thwm out ....
Arrggghhhhh!!! Paper tapes! That takes me back a bit. :)
--
Haplo, remembering when he could check NC code on paper tapes just by
looking at it.
Haplo
Jim wibbled:
>I think the worst horror story is trying to understand a Dec Hardware Maint.
>Contract. I am just dissecting one (that runs to 38 pages) in an attempt to
>take the contract away from Dec and give it to Team. I am terrified that I
>will miss one item that turns out to be a key component.
Want to hire a consultant? :)
--
Haplo
Terrance Richard Boyes
Haplo (ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> >
> >> >The main problem with CLI systems is that they don't tend to have spell
> >> >checkers. ;-)
Or they're used by people to get the real work done, and leave the tidying
up to the admin staff...
Actually I rarely use a spell check even when there's one available, if
it's important I'll proofread it properly anyway, and I get sick and tired
of spellcheckers that don't know the words I use, I'm constantly clicking
on Add.. I've always thought it strange that so many computing terms aren't
already part of their wordlists. I should really get Word setup to use
the OED, the problem is their both very large so I've done CD installs
on them, of course my laptop only has one CD drive :(
> >>
> >> Only the primitive ones that tell you that you have made a mistake,
> >> but not what it is.
> >
> >Unlike really sophisticated operating systems that tell you ... umm ...
> >"General Protection Fault" ...
>
> With a memory address to make it look really useful...
Guru Meditation Error
8000000A 1E465278
--
<URL:http://www.pierrot.co.uk/> Team AMIGA
Most legislators are so dumb that they couldn't pour piss out of a
boot if the instructions were printed on the heel."
diver
In article <PwnT$QAWSd...@bellona.demon.co.uk>
smu...@bellona.demon.co.uk "Smudge" writes:
I didn't even notice you were pissed, I was so pissed myself.
--
diver~ If you want to mail me delete " zerospam " from address.
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.
R Kipling 1865 - 1936
diver
In article <33dece3d...@news.demon.co.uk>
ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk "Haplo" writes:
I'll have a bit of that too, if you want a second oppinion.
Alec Cawley
It was said by Haplo that
>Alec Cawley wibbled:
>
>>VMS crashes in my place of work more than once a day, on average. They
>>are blaming the hardware, and we get a visit about once a week from a
>>repair man with a new bit of replacement kit, but they still haven't
>>fixed it after two months or so. Is it really hardware? Or maybe VMS
>>isn't *that* bombproof.
>
>I've never heard of VMS being unreliable at all, never mind *that*
>bad. I'd say that has to be the hardware. Is it clustered, and if
>so, is part of the cluster over the LAN rather than DSSI?
>
<snip>
>Having said that, VAX hardware has proven to be remarkably reliable
>over the years as well.
Talking to the Sys Admin today, the crashes appear to have stopped after
he re-inspected the crash dumps and found that they had been busy
repeatedly changing the *wrong* simm. Dec's own analysis software
pointed him at the correct one, but the service engineer wouldn't change
it until he started shouting.
Alec
Smudge
diver shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
> smu...@bellona.demon.co.uk "Smudge" writes:
>> Kay shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>> >Smudge wrote
>> >>diver shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>> >>
>> >>> I'll blackball all Tetley pubs and we may pursuade a very skeptical
>> >>> Smudgington to come along again. Leeds 2 ( The all-nighter ) anyone?
>> >>
>> >>Yes please :)
>> > I'll be there!
>>
>> Great. Maybe this time I'll be sober enough to come and talk to you!
>
> I didn't even notice you were pissed, I was so pissed myself.
Perhaps we should make the next one tee-total?
Erm, sorry about that. Momentary lapse of the reality field allowed
some normal thought to occur.
Normal service will be resumed as soon as purple.
--
Smudge
Haplo
Alec Cawley wibbled:
>Talking to the Sys Admin today, the crashes appear to have stopped after
>he re-inspected the crash dumps and found that they had been busy
>repeatedly changing the *wrong* simm.
Doh!
--
Haplo
John Hall
In article <33dceeab...@news.demon.co.uk>, Haplo
<ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> writes
>Simon & Kathryn wibbled:
>
>>The main problem with CLI systems is that they don't tend to have spell
>>checkers. ;-)
>
>but not what it is.
>
User: God is good
Response: Error in God: God does not exist
--
John Hall
"Sir, I have found you an argument;
but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)
Kay
Haplo wrote
>Haplo, remembering when he could check NC code on paper tapes just by
>looking at it.
>
Remember, those were the days when some men seemed to think women
couldn't possibly know anything about computers. It was handy to have
one or two cheap tricks to establish one's credentials.
--
Kay A man has to be Joe McCarthy to be called ruthless - all a woman
has to do is put you on hold. M Thomas
Simon & Kathryn
Kay <k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>Haplo wrote
>>
>>I am just old/experienced enough to have knowledge of teletypes and
>><cringe> console tapes. No doubt there are still some out there
>>somewhere...
>>
>I found some paper tapes when I was clearing out our back bedroom last
>week. They seemed to have earthworm data on them - I thought I'd better
>not throw thwm out ....
>
Anyway, what's all this 'clearing out' business? Edward will be thrown
out of urs if word of this leaks out.
Maggie
In article <jjCS1ZAI...@ghent.demon.co.uk>,
Simon & Kathryn <se...@ghent.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Maggie <maq...@maquis.org> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>>
>>Rhapsody is not Mac OS 8, nor is it a replacement OS - it's a dual-OS,
>>multiple platform strategy. (Allegro was the codename for OS 8) 'Yellow
>>Box' is one part of Rhapsody, based on Next's OpenStep APIs, with the other
>>part of Rhap being 'Blue Box' which lets users run most Mac OS software. In
>>development is Rhapsody for Intel-based PCs, Yellow Box for Macs and Yellow
>>Box for Windows.
>>
>Where did 'Pink' fit into this? Has it been abandoned now?
Apple were going to ship an all pink model (Pink Box) aimed at the home
market, but Ads hated the colour, so they changed it to black. And very
sexy it is too!
--
Maggie
Jim
> Jim wibbled:
>
> >I think the worst horror story is trying to understand a Dec Hardware Maint.
> >Contract. I am just dissecting one (that runs to 38 pages) in an attempt to
> >take the contract away from Dec and give it to Team. I am terrified that I
> >will miss one item that turns out to be a key component.
>
> Want to hire a consultant? :)
Only if consultation is free :-)
--
Jim.
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to attend, there was a preview of the next week's show. I was about
seven. In it I seem to remember a hospital, with beautiful blonde
nurses, who fell through a trap door (in the floor) and were picked up
by black tall wild people and carried off under one arm by these folks.
I did not have the money to see the film the next week and cried
bitterly but was solaced with peanut butter sandwiches. I continued to
wonder about the film even as I grew up and on into adulthood. A couple
of years ago I saw a film with a "mad" doctor and beautiful nurses with
funny hairdoos (1935). I realized it was the film I had always wondered
about, but was very disappointed. What was so very fascinating to me as
a child was boring and stupid to the adult. Beauty, and everything
else, is in the eye of the beholder.
I am now typing faster than ever, and had not intended to write about
the above (I am trying to explain myself a bit).
But now I get back to DANCING GIRL. What a strange (and to me
beautiful) turn of events my intentionally childish drawings of a girl
turned out to be (and into being). They brought into being TWISTED
TWISTING DANCING GIRL.
(I am waiting for something to happen, evoked by the line above. If it
does not happen I may as well begin a new page. I've not thought about
her for several months).
That is not true. She has become an integral part of my subconscious and
there shall remain, forever. She will come into my conscious thoughts
and ponderings when so willed and invited. I must create the window of
opportunity, the bridge beyond which she dwells. I realize that I am
creating a place beyond which she dwells and that this is not accurate.
She dwells nowhere. However, as a being, living in a place, created
out of a mind, and for all practical purposes relative to us at this
point in time; in that kind of world we must place her somewhere, as
that's the way we understand things. She is not limited to any place,
she is every place and thing/things.
This is the first evening that I write. For so many years writing has
been but a chore, as I learned to type to be more easily understood by
those that paid no attention anyhow. To write at night means I may be
overcoming a tremendous phobia, if I can write about things I enjoy
thinking about. I've decided to write about thoughts at random.
I ponder time. Does time exist? I am going to play around with the
concept. Does the past exist? We're to assume a universe and matter
exists. What does "exist" mean? Is it equal to "being"? I shall for
simplicity do away with 0 (zero). What does "time" mean? Is it equal to
being? When you cease to be, you no longer exist, do you? I'm
sincerely asking? My father was, but he is not?
As far as this world is concerned, he is not, does not exist. I do not
equate remains with my father. Proof that he existed (remains)?
Everything has a half-life, even my father's bones, and gold; all
matter, the universe.
The universe may recreate itself according to the laws of nature,
possibly having to do with micro-cosmology, the smallest things
imaginable, and science does not fully understand these particles, as
they can only be speculated about. That speculation includes the
possibility that they may not be particles as we think about them but
forces, possibly existing in and out of time and dimensions. How might
micro-matter and sub atomic particles behave under the tremendous
pressures caused by gravity when and if the universe re-collapses into
what could be described as its original state, and essentially becomes a
black hole, "nothing" in size, only to re-create itself via another Big
Bang and expand again into a new universe and new space and time, our
space and time having disappeared?
This area of thought does not interest me all that much- if you've seen
one big bang, you've seen 'em all.
I believe that possibly, if science cannot find the tiniest particle in
its attempt to prove the Unified Field Theory (which supposedly to them
would explain…EVERYTHING!), if they can't find that, then I believe…what
holds matter together, atoms quarks photons, gluons, pions, what holds
them together is a force, and that this force is INTELLIGENCE. Not
human intelligence, for we are very conceited. Compassion and empathy
may be by-products of it, as well as evil. Heaven and hell, good and
evil, equal partners, parts of a whole which is intelligence, but not
intelligent. It exists with equal ease in and out of time and all
dimensions, it is everything, is aware of everything, because it is
everything, and without thinking, it IS. To know that which is written
upon the wind, you have to become like the wind, no, you have to become
THE WIND. Then you ARE. You do not KNOW. The piecing together of
these, my thoughts, could not have come together without my visits with
the DANCING GIRL. I do not know who created whom. When we shall dance,
and we shall, then I shall know everything. She is the force and dance
of atoms, and the universe. Then I shall know everything. No, we shall
BE everything.
I am bored and in spite of purchasing some books and with other options
as well, I've decided to check in on DANCING GIRL.
I wonder if it was meant to be just now, or if free will was even
involved. Am I programmed to do this, at certain, exact times? Is
everything preprogrammed and mapped out, and how does that fit in with
my statements in previous pages, in particular those pertaining to time
and DANCING GIRL, and existence in general. I thought she'd enter into
these pages, which are physical manifestations of what I call thoughts,
which in turn manifest themselves through intricate and sophisticated
electrical interactions in my mind, through which there runs a highway,
the highway of my mind, with dark places and detours including places I
shall never visit. If I were to visit them they would become known, and
therefore "visited". Although unknown, they are possibilities. How
many possible places can one visit, in a lifetime? If left unvisited,
will they, and their possibilities, die with me? Some things are best
never known. Best that they die, with me.
I'm waiting, waiting. Where is my dancing girl, my twisted twisting
dancing girl? My thoughts are butterflies, fluttering, dancing along
the highway of my mind. Like autumn leaves blown by the wind
helter-skelter they touch down on roses and dandelions but also orchids
of many kinds.
Have you seen the beauty of the Venus Fly Trap? Best to fly it by.
God Damn! I just have ruined it with (unmentionable) down below. God
Damn! You try so hard, and all goes wrong. Wrong wrong wrong! Perhaps
another place to go, another place to flow, flutter away, forever. I
cannot escape along that line for it is inside my mind, forever. I
cannot escape forever, forever is my destiny. Forever. No Escape.
Can there not be peace among men (and women)? No! The humanoids are not
a peaceful lot. They fight over this and they fight over that. I give,
but what I give is taken. Life, Time, Self. So, I guess I take, in
return. You do dis zand I do dat.
Is it possible to penetrate into the brain of a woman, or is it a
foreign, alien territory? I buy books I do not read, but I think
thoughts that I have not thought, although there is no thought which has
not been thought before. Paradox? No, fact.
My thoughts are only new to me. See, I have lived before. But was it
really I that lived before, and shall I live again somewhere? Where is
my dancing girl, why do we not connect? Perhaps she knows there are
times when man is better left alone.
Pretty twisted twisting dancing girl, Say, pray, tell me please what
would you do were I to enter into your circle, you know, the circle
where you dance, would you slow down enough to catch me within your
glance? Would you allow me to hold you within my gaze? I've come from
far away. Would you change the rhythm of your dance just long enough to
face me exactly when you face my way for just a moment longer, just long
enough to lock your gaze with mine. I know you are the dance of the
universe and that you swirl past the speed of light. I'm going to join
you, I know, 'cause we have danced before; I just don't quite remember
when or where. See, I'm in this here lifetime, just for now. Each time
you swirl around you hold your face and gaze toward me, because you are
starting to remember that we have danced before. I come closer now.
I'll be within your circle soon. With my serious searching gaze there
will be the shadow of a smile just within the eyes. And it will light
within your eyes also, the beginning of a smile. We are searching,
feeling, but I'm certain now that we have danced before. We are together
now, and where your dance will take you I shall follow. The beat is wild
now, it is the beating universe. The wildest storms within the
universe, the birthing of other places, other worlds, that's the music
you dance to. You are the wildest one of all but I have wildness too
and that's why we have danced before. Just you and I can dance this
dance, the dance of the universe. You have found your partner now. Yes,
we shall dance out amongst the stars. We're locked together now, we're
past the speed of light. Where's the Earth? Oh well, we've left it far
behind. At speeds far beyond the speed of light there is no earth, no
matter, nothing left, only energy. There also is no time. No good, no
god, no judgement, no sin, no evil. No questions and no answers. We have
become all that there is and that includes both good and evil. What will
be left will be pure Life and Feeling. That's why I know that DANCING
GIRL and I shall be together and dancing and our feelings will be as
wild and untamed as the Universe, and Euphoric, containing the sum of
all feelings ever felt, and that we shall dance forever, but in a place
where time does not exist and a moment is forever. T(h)'is the way of
the universe.
March 15, 1995. It is done.
TWISTED TWISTING DANCING GIRL was created during four days of "inspired"
writing (thinking).
Round and round, twisted girl, back is forth and front is back. Like
life itself it's topsy-turvy. Up is down and down is up and which is
which is up to you depending on who or what or where you are. The
observer is not the observed, so one happening depends on (or is
relative to) who, what, when, where, etc. "you" are. So, dancing girl,
be what and where and who you are. That's your Universe. Without you,
it would not be for you. No Universe for you = you are the Universe.
You will be watched by fools and maybe wise men, but that's their
problem. They are from a different universe, their own. Let them not
deter you from your dance. Let them dance on their own. They do not
hear your dance; they have their own, and you cannot tell fools from
wise men. They fool you with their words and deeds. So may I watch you,
Twisted girl, watch you do your twisted dance, perhaps to learn another
song, another melody, but with respect, and just learn what makes you
dance, and just to see your universe?
If you let me in I'll take off my shoes, I will not criticize your
twisted, twisting dance. And with my shoes outside your house out of
respect (for you universe), I may hear your music. And if I do, if you
permit me in, I'll leave my shoes outside. Allow me please, perhaps to
hear the music that you hear, and if I do, hear your music, and if you
find me in your universe, might I take your hand perhaps to learn the
beat to which you dance? I'll put my arms around you and lock my gaze to
yours and you can show me gently, slowly how to dance your dance. And if
we merge but for a moment in a place where time does not exist, then
let's dance. Faster Faster faster. Let our universes merge, yours and
mine becoming one, let's dance dance dance. Then, before I leave may I
kiss your forehead, a gentle kiss, a kiss of thanks for letting me into
your universe. Because I must go back to time and all that I know.
Thanks for the dance, I'll take my shoes and go, and as I leave I'm sure
I'll hear the record being turned over. I'll turn around it will be dark
and I'll be far away. The light within will show me for one last time
the dancing girl who let me into her house, into her universe.
And will there be a stranger there? I'll stay to watch, and see if he
goes in like me. If he stomps in with his shoes and all, I'll hurry back
to my dancing girl because she trusts one and she trusts all, and no
stomping shall there be at all. He'll not be able to hear my dancing
girl at all, for stomping around with shoes and all.
I'll hurry back to save my girl, my twisted twisting dancing girl.
Because in her house you show respect (she innocently let me in to her
universe). If you do not understand her dance you turn and walk away.
No stomping shoes allowed by me to stomp around on her and me. Because
though I left, I left behind that moment that was plucked from time,
which does not exist in the mind and therefore is eternity. Take off
your shoes or do stay out, because I'm not so sure I'll not be back
again to see my twisting, twisted dancing girl.
Smudge
Scott shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>IF you like this, please send a card to:
<snip something>
Did anyone read that?
Can they give me a quick summary?
Should I be interested?
Should I send a card or a bomb?
What was the point of it?
Why am I asking so many questions?
--
Smudge
Kay
Simon & Kathryn wrote
>Kay <k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>
>>I found some paper tapes when I was clearing out our back bedroom last
>>week. They seemed to have earthworm data on them - I thought I'd better
>>not throw thwm out ....
>>
>I trust you cleaned it off before putting them away again.
>
>Anyway, what's all this 'clearing out' business? Edward will be thrown
>out of urs if word of this leaks out.
... <alarmed> you wouldn't, would you?
--
Kay
"If you torture the data enough, it will confess"
Tim Bierman
In article <EsAh1OAw...@iconia.demon.co.uk>
tcgr...@iconia.demon.co.uk "Tobes" writes:
> >>Unlike really sophisticated operating systems that tell you ... umm ...
> >>"General Protection Fault" ...
> >
> >With a memory address to make it look really useful...
> >
> Actually, the GPF is a hardware error from the processor, when running
> in protected mode. Since it's the chip and not Windows which generates
> the error, Windows can't really tell you much about why it happened.
Yeah, but it's a sort of "this shouldn't happen in any decent operating
system" fault ... like memory addresses out of range in a protected program.
I think the GPF hardware is supposed to store the detailed reason for the
fault on the stack ... but does Windows tell us what it is ... ?
Sarah Goddard
Kay <k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Smudge wrote
> >Scott shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
> >
> >
> >Did anyone read that?
> >
Me neither. I was hoping someone helpful would respond
to Smudge.
> >Can they give me a quick summary?
> No
Nope.
> >Should I be interested?
> Of course! I need someone to tell me whether it's worth reading or not!
Exactly.
> >Should I send a card or a bomb?
> >
> Who to.
Scott.. the guy quoted above.. even I got that.
> >What was the point of it?
> >
> Dunno - read it and tell us!
Please use concise and careful word choice. You will be graded
on this.
> >Why am I asking so many questions?
> >
> You are in the mood for being objectionable?
You've regressed to the age of 5 when you asked questions
about everything?
You know how annoying it is?
You're procrastinating?
Sarahg
--
la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
Terrance Richard Boyes
Tobes (tcgr...@iconia.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> <ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>
> >>Unlike really sophisticated operating systems that tell you ... umm ...
> >>"General Protection Fault" ...
> >
> >With a memory address to make it look really useful...
> >
> Actually, the GPF is a hardware error from the processor, when running
> in protected mode. Since it's the chip and not Windows which generates
> the error, Windows can't really tell you much about why it happened.
So why bother :)
The memory address is (mostly) useless since a serious GPF will take the
OS down anyway. I say mostly 'cos there's always the chance that it's
down to a problem with the memory.
--
<URL:http://www.pierrot.co.uk/> Team AMIGA
Playing an unamplified electric guitar is like strumming on a picnic table.
- Dave Barry, "The Snake"
Smudge
Sarah Goddard shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>> >
>> >Did anyone read that?
>> >
>> Not me
>
>Me neither. I was hoping someone helpful would respond
>to Smudge.
Helpful, in this group! Silly woman ;)
>> >Should I be interested?
>
>> Of course! I need someone to tell me whether it's worth reading or not!
>
>Exactly.
Since when do women listen to anything we men say?
>> >What was the point of it?
>> >
>> Dunno - read it and tell us!
>
>Please use concise and careful word choice. You will be graded
>on this.
Graded! Well, I always did the bear minimum work at scholl to get buy
so in keeping with this my summary, after careful consideration would be
"Crap".
>> >Why am I asking so many questions?
>> >
>> You are in the mood for being objectionable?
>
>You've regressed to the age of 5 when you asked questions
>about everything?
This is a possibility, although Hannah says I am always like a five year
old.
>You know how annoying it is?
I do?
>You're procrastinating?
Gawd, can you get a cure for this. Is it like PMT?
--
Smudge
Tim Bierman
In article <13OtuSAO...@bellona.demon.co.uk>
smu...@bellona.demon.co.uk "Smudge" writes:
> >You're procrastinating?
>
> Gawd, can you get a cure for this. Is it like PMT?
If you wait around long enough, it will go away.
Tim Bierman
In article <870297...@yemeads.demon.co.uk>
J...@yemeads.demon.co.uk "Jim" writes:
Now there are two words you don't often see in the same sentence ...
Sarah Goddard
Jim <J...@yemeads.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <33dece3d...@news.demon.co.uk>
> ha...@patryn.demon.co.uk "Haplo" writes:
> > Want to hire a consultant? :)
> Only if consultation is free :-)
You are my mother and I collect my 5 quid.
Smudge
Kay shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>Smudge wrote
>>Scott shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>>>IF you like this, please send a card to:
>>
>>
>>Did anyone read that?
>>
>Not me
Slacker.
>>Should I be interested?
>
>Of course! I need someone to tell me whether it's worth reading or not!
Oh right, unfortunately I have expired the post. We'll have to wait for
someone else.
>>Should I send a card or a bomb?
>>
>Who to.
The silly sod who posted the original.
>>Why am I asking so many questions?
>>
>You are in the mood for being objectionable?
Well, that covers Monday to Saturday I guess.
--
Smudge
Simon & Kathryn
Maggie <maq...@maquis.org> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>>Where did 'Pink' fit into this? Has it been abandoned now?
>
>
>Apple were going to ship an all pink model (Pink Box) aimed at the home
>market, but Ads hated the colour, so they changed it to black. And very
>sexy it is too!
>
>
--
Simon & Kathryn, never passing up the chance to have a dig at Ads.
Simon & Kathryn
Smudge <smu...@bellona.demon.co.uk> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>Scott shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>
>
>Did anyone read that?
>
>Can they give me a quick summary?
>
Um...
>Should I be interested?
>
Doubtful.
>Should I send a card or a bomb?
>
Again, guess...
>What was the point of it?
>
42
>Why am I asking so many questions?
>
Nothing better to do?
How did spam get into the middle of a thread? They're getting good.
Simon & Kathryn
Kay <k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>>I trust you cleaned it off before putting them away again.
>>
>No, I threw away the tapes and kept the holes ;-)
>
>>Anyway, what's all this 'clearing out' business? Edward will be thrown
>>out of urs if word of this leaks out.
>
>... <alarmed> you wouldn't, would you?
>--
No we're nice we are. What's it worth?
On the subject of clearing out (OK, I know it's not but she want's to
get it in) Kathryn has restored an old oak bureau and it looks really
good. We are on the lookout for old bits of furniture now.
Steve
The creature known as Smudge <smu...@bellona.demon.co.uk> announced to
the people of planet Earth:
>>You've regressed to the age of 5 when you asked questions
>>about everything?
>
>This is a possibility, although Hannah says I am always like a five year
>old.
Referring to a particular body part is she? ;-)
>>You know how annoying it is?
>
>I do?
>
>>You're procrastinating?
>
>Gawd, can you get a cure for this. Is it like PMT?
Only one cure for PMT...the pub!
S73V3.
Smudge
Steve shook the scrabble bag and this fell out.....
>The creature known as Smudge <smu...@bellona.demon.co.uk> announced to
>the people of planet Earth:
>
>>old.
>
>Referring to a particular body part is she? ;-)
Bastard! To quote Haplo, "I'll get you for that".
>>
>>Gawd, can you get a cure for this. Is it like PMT?
>
>Only one cure for PMT...the pub!
It's normally a race as to whether Hannah or I get to the pub first.
--
Smudge
Mudcat
In article <gu3CmUAl...@ghent.demon.co.uk>, Simon & Kathryn
<se...@ghent.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> No we're nice we are. What's it worth?
>
> On the subject of clearing out (OK, I know it's not but she want's to
> get it in) Kathryn has restored an old oak bureau and it looks really
> good. We are on the lookout for old bits of furniture now.
For some reason I read that as odd bits of furniture and thinking Odd may
have something to say about you two casting an eye on her belongings.
Apologys to all.
I have a wooden church pew in the garage if you are interested. The
shipping may be a bit of a bother tho.
--
Mudcat
Do be do be do
Kay
Simon & Kathryn wrote
>
>On the subject of clearing out (OK, I know it's not but she want's to
>get it in) Kathryn has restored an old oak bureau and it looks really
>good. We are on the lookout for old bits of furniture now.
I restored what is now a shell cabinet, but used to be a cotton reel
cabinet from an old fashioned haberdashers - 10ukp it cost, with oak
carcase and walnut veneer.
So successful was it that I know have a long queue of furniture waiting
to be restored - some of it has been wating well over 10 years ;-)
--
Kay As long an interval as possible should intervene between the meal and
the resumption of the day's work
Everything Within, 1937
Steve
>>>This is a possibility, although Hannah says I am always like a five year
>>>old.
>>
>>Referring to a particular body part is she? ;-)
>
>Bastard! To quote Haplo, "I'll get you for that".
Sorry, I'm not for sale.
>>>Gawd, can you get a cure for this. Is it like PMT?
>>
>>Only one cure for PMT...the pub!
>
>It's normally a race as to whether Hannah or I get to the pub first.
First one to the bar buys the first round! I'd take my time if I were
you.
S73V3.
Maggie
In article <s+zBiNA0...@ghent.demon.co.uk>,
Simon & Kathryn <se...@ghent.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Maggie <maq...@maquis.org> put nose to keyboard and managed:
>>>Where did 'Pink' fit into this? Has it been abandoned now?
>>
>>
>>Apple were going to ship an all pink model (Pink Box) aimed at the home
>>market, but Ads hated the colour, so they changed it to black. And very
>>sexy it is too!
>>
>>
>Steve Jobs listens to Ads? No wonder they're in the shit! ;-)
No, Steve Jobs is perhaps the reason they got into the shit in the first
place. Hopefully he will be better second time round. :-)
>--
>Simon & Kathryn, never passing up the chance to have a dig at Ads.
One should never pass up that chance. Then again, there's always another
chance around the corner.
:-)
--
Maggie, very grateful to Ads for buying her a pint on Saturday