Survival Tips
Alan Connor
Being dependent on things you can't replace or repair will kill you.
2. You are not going to live like they did in the 18th century. Get over
that too.
The environment has been seriously damaged and the population is many times
what it was then.
Choose to be a gardener/gatherer or die.
3. Practice the lifestyle that you will be living if you expect to survive.
Just thinking about it and storing up a bunch of stuff will NOT cut it.
(this is the ONLY way to tell what really works and what doesn't)
4. Plan to leave for your retreat on foot. You WON'T be driving there.
Use the roads and die.
Disabled people will need two people for the stretcher and two to spell
them.
5. Rely on camoflauge and mobility for defense. You have enough to deal with
already, and playing war takes a LOT of time and energy. You will not be
able to deal militarily with a large, organized group of bandits, nor
thousands of refugees. If you are not prepared to move in a hurry with
what's in your pack, then you are critically vulnerable.
Don't let the fools who think the solution to every problem is violence
lead you astray. Remember, THEY are the ones that got us in this mess in
the first place.
Even if you "win" a violent encounter, you will probably have casualties,
and even if he was attacking you without provocation in an attempt to steal
your stuff, his brother/sister/wife/parent/best-friend will hate your
guts if you maim or kill the him. They will want revenge and you will be in
even more danger than you were.
alanc
Steve Day
Ignore everything Alan Conner tells you.
Myal
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
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> 1. You are not going to live post SHTF like you are now. Get over it.
> Being dependent on things you can't replace or repair will kill you.
>
Yes Allan , where doyou intend to get your medication then ? Or the pretty
nurse you like to give it to you , where will you find another like him ?
> 2. You are not going to live like they did in the 18th century. Get over
> that too.
This is good news O Man Of Vegetableness ! I dont want to live like they did
then .
> The environment has been seriously damaged and the population is many
times
> what it was then.
> Choose to be a gardener/gatherer or die.
I choose to hunt , You may keep your Garden , pot isnt a good vegetable .
>
> 3. Practice the lifestyle that you will be living if you expect to
survive.
I do , often , and I found I can live pretty much like I do now , O Great
Vegetableness .
> Just thinking about it and storing up a bunch of stuff will NOT cut
it.
> (this is the ONLY way to tell what really works and what doesn't)
Oh? wow .
>
> 4. Plan to leave for your retreat on foot. You WON'T be driving there.
> Use the roads and die.
> Disabled people will need two people for the stretcher and two to
spell
> them.
>
Bugger that , I will be taking my family and the wheelchair in the 4x4 ,
walking sux if you dont have to , and I dont believe in the cult of the
Vegetable Hippies , so Ill drive thanks .
> 5. Rely on camoflauge and mobility for defense. You have enough to deal
with
> already, and playing war takes a LOT of time and energy. You will not
be
> able to deal militarily with a large, organized group of bandits, nor
> thousands of refugees. If you are not prepared to move in a hurry with
> what's in your pack, then you are critically vulnerable.
> Don't let the fools who think the solution to every problem is
violence
> lead you astray. Remember, THEY are the ones that got us in this mess
in
> the first place.
OK O Great Vegetableness , I wont listen to the Jackass who spouts crap
about CO2 , poison darts , driving Cattle Ranchers off their property , etc
tec .
That is Violence .
I will definitely be ready to cull any fairy land hippies worshiping FABU
the Great Vegetable I meet
> Even if you "win" a violent encounter, you will probably have
casualties,
> and even if he was attacking you without provocation in an attempt to
steal
> your stuff, his brother/sister/wife/parent/best-friend will hate your
> guts if you maim or kill the him. They will want revenge and you will
be in
> even more danger than you were.
>
AHH the voice of expirience ! The Great Vegetable reveals his Cattle Rancher
filled his butt with Buckshot !!
And took his poison darts too !!
And told FABU's Mummy what he was doing
You are still stoopid FABU
but dont give up , youre good for a laugh , even if it is from your killfile
Myal
( Gimme some room guys , this killfile is cramped Oh yeah , all
misc.survival is in here !)
>
> alanc
>
>
Greylock
Killfiled AC long ago.
Life's too short to voluntarily subject myself to his sort of drivel.
"Steve Day" <steved...@netherworld.com> wrote in message
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Alan Connor
> SURVIVAL RULE NUMBER ONE
>
> Ignore everything Alan Conner tells you.
>
>
That's pretty funny.
But the truth is, that the majority of people who follow the bulk of the
advice on this newsgroup will have a very bad time and then they will die.
Do a little homework.
How many large game animals are there? How many people are there and how
many square miles of land are there that could support people who plan to
live like these fools?
Think you are going to help yourself to the herds of cattle, horse and sheep?
Sorry. Those ranchers are some of the toughest people on the planet and have
long been prepared for the Collapse. Try to rustle their animals and they will
kill you.
If you think you are going to hunt/trap/fish for a living, then you are going
to die.
If you think that you are going to have powered vehicles and chainsaws and
large domestic animals and electricity then you are going to die.
alanc
H L. Falls
Alan Connor <alanc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> [snip]
>
>Think you are going to help yourself to the herds of cattle, horse and sheep?
>
>Sorry. Those ranchers are some of the toughest people on the planet and have
>long been prepared for the Collapse. Try to rustle their animals and they will
>kill you.
>
> [snip]
>
>alanc
Ummm, FABU? Does that include the rancher you were running off
his range a few days ago?
--Landon
H L. Falls
Myal <dum...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
>news:quXKa.14816$C83.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
>
>> The environment has been seriously damaged and the population is many
>times
>> what it was then.
>> Choose to be a gardener/gatherer or die.
>
>I choose to hunt , You may keep your Garden , pot isnt a good vegetable .
It isn't? Makes up into a pretty fine brownie... (Umm, So I've
heard! ;)
> [more snippage]
>
>You are still stoopid FABU
>but dont give up , youre good for a laugh , even if it is from your killfile
>Myal
>( Gimme some room guys , this killfile is cramped Oh yeah , all
>misc.survival is in here !)
Chuckle! Don't think I'm there yet, but I'm working on it!
--Landon
Noah Simoneaux
>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:22:44 +0100, Steve Day <steved...@netherworld.com> wrote:
>> SURVIVAL RULE NUMBER ONE
>>
>> Ignore everything Alan Conner tells you.
>>
>>
>
>
>That's pretty funny.
No, it's true.
>
>But the truth is, that the majority of people who follow the bulk of the
>advice on this newsgroup will have a very bad time and then they will die.
ALL people die. Some, like you stupid people die after having a very rough life.
>Do a little homework.
OK, you first.
>How many large game animals are there? How many people are there and how
>many square miles of land are there that could support people who plan to
>live like these fools?
>
>Think you are going to help yourself to the herds of cattle, horse and sheep?
>
>Sorry. Those ranchers are some of the toughest people on the planet and have
>long been prepared for the Collapse. Try to rustle their animals and they will
>kill you.
>
Yeah, but they won't kill YOU when you try to put birth-control drugs into their
water and kill their animals, eh? You bad, ain't ya?
>If you think you are going to hunt/trap/fish for a living, then you are going
>to die.
No matter what you think, you will die quickly.
>
>If you think that you are going to have powered vehicles and chainsaws and
>large domestic animals and electricity then you are going to die.
Why? Will large domestic animals and electricity evaporate after TSHTF? Not on
my planet.
The fates lead the willing, and drag the unwilling. - Seneca
Noah Simoneaux
>1. You are not going to live post SHTF like you are now.
You are not going to live post SHTF(if you even make it that far).
>Get over it.
Get over it.
> Being dependent on things you can't replace or repair will kill you.
Being stupid will kill you.
>2. You are not going to live like they did in the 18th century. Get over
> that too.
You are not going to live like they did in ANY century. You will be dead
quickly.
(snip repetitious drivel)
Sue
We'll keep the light on for ya.
Sue
>
>--Landon
H L. Falls
Thanks, Sue! I'll bring the beer that Lawrence forgot... ;)
--Landon
Benjamin Liu
ANY survival retreat. Now I think there may be one they could easily
take, assuming Alanc is not actually Mabu.
North
Alan the same old false bullshit you keep spewing is getting old.
<PLONK>
Sue
H L. Falls wrote in message ...
Great!! Then hurry up and get yourself killfiled. :o)
Sue
>
>--Landon
>
Noah Simoneaux
I was wondering what might happen if they ran into each other, too. I don't know
if stupidity has a critical mass like radioactivity, but for their sakes(and the
neighbors) I hope it doesn't. If you got GUNkid and analc too close together the
sheer volume of stupidity could be dangerous. It might explode or maybe form a
Black Hole of Stupidity, SUCKING in everything for miles around. Oh, the
humanity! ;)
Mike
huggers fatten up on nuts and corn they are growing then we eat them
and take over their farm once consumed.
Then scavenge the millions of junkyards and waste dumps and rebuild
society from all the post consumer waste we have thrown away in the
last 100 years.
Repairing an ice box can't be that hard.
We can power everything with rebuilt engines and fuel them with Alan's
bullshit.
Did Alan see the Mad Max movies or not?
Mike
I want to be killfiled, I need to be killfiled, everyone else is
killfiled, why not me too?
Myal
"Mike" <m.bi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:7c412cad.03062...@posting.google.com...
> I figure we mutants will just let Alan and his unarmed hippie tree
> huggers fatten up on nuts and corn they are growing then we eat them
> and take over their farm once consumed.
>
> Then scavenge the millions of junkyards and waste dumps and rebuild
> society from all the post consumer waste we have thrown away in the
> last 100 years.
>
> Repairing an ice box can't be that hard.
>
> We can power everything with rebuilt engines and fuel them with Alan's
> bullshit.
>
> Did Alan see the Mad Max movies or not?
I think it was pigs , not bulls , in Mad Max .
Myal
(being technical from the security of the killfile)
Alan Connor
I am going to save this post. Here we actually have someone on misc.survivalism
that is honest enough to admit that they are stupid enough to confuse hollywood
and reality.
Anytime son. Bother us and we will take your weapons away from you and bury
them someplace, make you show us to your camp or settlement, and make sure that
you don't have any more. Feed your women anti-conception drugs and kill any
dogs and large domestic animals that you have.
Your choice.
But if you are planning to live a lifestyle that uses weapons, I highly
recommend that you do it someplace a long way from one of our villages.
Of course, you have no way of knowing just where those are, so I guess you'll
just have to take your chances.
Or you could quit listening to these fools and get some sense and morality.
Are you sure that I have killfiled even one person? No way to tell from your
end, is there?
Cheers,
alanc
Benjamin Liu
> I was wondering what might happen if they ran into each other, too. I don't know
> if stupidity has a critical mass like radioactivity, but for their sakes(and the
> neighbors) I hope it doesn't. If you got GUNkid and analc too close together the
> sheer volume of stupidity could be dangerous. It might explode or maybe form a
> Black Hole of Stupidity, SUCKING in everything for miles around. Oh, the
> humanity! ;)
That can be a new type of WMD, an Absolute Stupidity Field. One
suicide team can bring each of them to the capital of the target
nation and then when the order is given to use the ASF they bring them
close enought to start the reaction. <G>
Sue
>On 28 Jun 2003 07:38:16 -0700, Mike <m.bi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> I figure we mutants will just let Alan and his unarmed hippie tree
>> huggers fatten up on nuts and corn they are growing then we eat them
>> and take over their farm once consumed.
>>
>> Then scavenge the millions of junkyards and waste dumps and rebuild
>> society from all the post consumer waste we have thrown away in the
>> last 100 years.
>>
>> Repairing an ice box can't be that hard.
>>
>> We can power everything with rebuilt engines and fuel them with Alan's
>> bullshit.
>>
>> Did Alan see the Mad Max movies or not?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> I want to be killfiled, I need to be killfiled, everyone else is
>> killfiled, why not me too?
>
>
>I am going to save this post. Here we actually have someone on misc.survivalism
>that is honest enough to admit that they are stupid enough to confuse hollywood
>and reality.
No, I think he's saying that *you* are confused.
>
>Anytime son. Bother us
Who is "us"? You and Tinkerbell?
and we will take your weapons away from you and bury
>them someplace,
And you're going to do this how? Oh, that's right. Poison darts with
a 1 mile range and that nasty CO. You never did explain how that
system works but I suppose that would be sharing secrets with the
enemy.
make you show us to your camp or settlement, and make sure that
>you don't have any more. Feed your women anti-conception drugs and kill any
>dogs and large domestic animals that you have.
>
>
>Your choice.
Our choice is to laugh at you.
>
>But if you are planning to live a lifestyle that uses weapons, I highly
>recommend that you do it someplace a long way from one of our villages.
Would that be like the mythical village of Wildwood? You did read
that site you recommended didn't you? Wildwood was *not* in
existance. And, if you are a representative, never will be.
>
>Of course, you have no way of knowing just where those are, so I guess you'll
>just have to take your chances.
Yeah, Alan, we do know where they are - in your mind. Chuckle.
Busy place that.
>
>Or you could quit listening to these fools and get some sense and morality.
"These" fools? That would indicate more than one of you.
>
>
>Are you sure that I have killfiled even one person? No way to tell from your
>end, is there?
Nope. You are actually right about that. Considering your use of the
word "ilk" after I suggested it I'm thinking I may not be in your
killfile. Sob. We only took your word for it, Alan. Foolish us. The
one time we believed you. If we aren't then you are the liar, aren't
ya, Alan.
Sue - in Alan's killfile - or not.
Gunner
ROFLMAO!!!!
I wonder though..would it be self limiting? Given the numbers of
Democrats in DC, if such a ASF were to be employed..would the Dems act
as an accelerator? Would we be involved in the Big Bang in reverse?
Gunner
"...and biotechnology is a worry. What if they take genetic material from wet noodles and blowfish and splice it into politician chromosomes and create a Clinton administration?" -- P.J. Rourke, All the trouble in the world. The lighter side of famine, pestilence, destruction and death.
Mike
It's confirmed,
He is a crack head too stupid to know sarcasm when he sees it.
Should be easy to find you, you'll be the one lecturing all the junior hippies.
No worries Alan I will BBQ you last.
Its the law of the jungle bud and herbivore hippies are on the menu.
MMMMMM pass the Bullseye.
Mike
Alan Connor
Talk's cheap.
You name a wild place in the Pacific Northwest, from halfway up B.C. to an
east-west line defined by the southern Oregon border, from the Continental
Divide to the crest of the Cascades, and I will show up with a few friends and
you and YOUR friends will walk out of there with no weapons. You will never
see your vehicle or weapons again.
Give me a month's advance notice.
This would be a wonderful excuse to take a vacation and visit a lot of
settlements I have never seen before. Yes, I would be able to pick up some
help there, of course.
Like I said, son: any time.
Bring a bunch of the saps on this newsgroup.
Should you show up without weapons and with peaceful intent, we will be
happy to show you a better way to live. Free lessons in very realistic
survival strategies and tactics.
alanc
Gunner
>
>Bring a bunch of the saps on this newsgroup.
>
>Should you show up without weapons and with peaceful intent, we will be
>happy to show you a better way to live. Free lessons in very realistic
>survival strategies and tactics.
Almost makes me want to take some vacation time. Only problem
is..terminating the little cockroach is illegal.
Shiva
Myal
"Sue" <seb...@thegrid.net> wrote in message
news:1emrfvgbkb32ffn1h...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:01:53 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> >On 28 Jun 2003 07:38:16 -0700, Mike <m.bi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> I figure we mutants will just let Alan and his unarmed hippie tree
> >> huggers fatten up on nuts and corn they are growing then we eat them
> >> and take over their farm once consumed.
> >>
> >> Then scavenge the millions of junkyards and waste dumps and rebuild
> >> society from all the post consumer waste we have thrown away in the
> >> last 100 years.
> >>
> >> Repairing an ice box can't be that hard.
> >>
> >> We can power everything with rebuilt engines and fuel them with Alan's
> >> bullshit.
> >>
> >> Did Alan see the Mad Max movies or not?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> I want to be killfiled, I need to be killfiled, everyone else is
> >> killfiled, why not me too?
> >
> >
> >I am going to save this post. Here we actually have someone on
misc.survivalism
> >that is honest enough to admit that they are stupid enough to confuse
hollywood
> >and reality.
>
> No, I think he's saying that *you* are confused.
>
> >
> >Anytime son. Bother us
>
> Who is "us"? You and Tinkerbell?
ROTFLMAO!!!
Kinda like the twilight zone isnt it ?
Myal
( enjoying a coldie at the maybe-killfiled-maybe-not party )
Myal
>
> Give me a month's advance notice.
>
>
>
And I am still shaking , I havent laughed so hard for a long time !
Myal
(Amazed at alanc's bravery , given a month or two to muster his courage )
Mike
to...........................................................................
Alan Connor
Come on up here and say a few more words Alan, if you can get your
pecker out of that sheep.
Talk is cheap Alan and you are definitely bargain bin bud.
Gotta cancel my cable this is much better than tv.
Mike
Noah Simoneaux
>On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:01:53 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>>On 28 Jun 2003 07:38:16 -0700, Mike <m.bi...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> I figure we mutants will just let Alan and his unarmed hippie tree
>>> huggers fatten up on nuts and corn they are growing then we eat them
>>> and take over their farm once consumed.
>>>
>>> Then scavenge the millions of junkyards and waste dumps and rebuild
>>> society from all the post consumer waste we have thrown away in the
>>> last 100 years.
>>>
>>> Repairing an ice box can't be that hard.
>>>
>>> We can power everything with rebuilt engines and fuel them with Alan's
>>> bullshit.
>>>
>>> Did Alan see the Mad Max movies or not?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> I want to be killfiled, I need to be killfiled, everyone else is
>>> killfiled, why not me too?
>>
>>
>>I am going to save this post. Here we actually have someone on misc.survivalism
>>that is honest enough to admit that they are stupid enough to confuse hollywood
>>and reality.
>
>No, I think he's saying that *you* are confused.
Yep, looks that way to me, too.
>
>>
>>Anytime son. Bother us
>
>Who is "us"? You and Tinkerbell?
No, in analc's view, it's "Me, Myself, and Irene". ;)
>
> and we will take your weapons away from you and bury
>>them someplace,
>
>And you're going to do this how? Oh, that's right. Poison darts with
>a 1 mile range and that nasty CO. You never did explain how that
>system works but I suppose that would be sharing secrets with the
>enemy.
Yeah, that would be neat, watching these bozos TRY to use CO to gas attackers,
but more likely gassing themselves.
>
> make you show us to your camp or settlement, and make sure that
>>you don't have any more. Feed your women anti-conception drugs and kill any
>>dogs and large domestic animals that you have.
>>
>>
>>Your choice.
>
>Our choice is to laugh at you.
>
>>
>>But if you are planning to live a lifestyle that uses weapons, I highly
>>recommend that you do it someplace a long way from one of our villages.
>
>Would that be like the mythical village of Wildwood? You did read
>that site you recommended didn't you? Wildwood was *not* in
>existance. And, if you are a representative, never will be.
>>
>>Of course, you have no way of knowing just where those are, so I guess you'll
>>just have to take your chances.
>
>Yeah, Alan, we do know where they are - in your mind. Chuckle.
>Busy place that.
>
>>
>>Or you could quit listening to these fools and get some sense and morality.
>
>"These" fools? That would indicate more than one of you.
>>
>>
>>Are you sure that I have killfiled even one person? No way to tell from your
>>end, is there?
>
>Nope. You are actually right about that. Considering your use of the
>word "ilk" after I suggested it I'm thinking I may not be in your
>killfile. Sob. We only took your word for it, Alan. Foolish us. The
>one time we believed you. If we aren't then you are the liar, aren't
>ya, Alan.
>Sue - in Alan's killfile - or not.
>
Or both. In analc's mind they could BOTH be true. ;)
Noah Simoneaux
What? Isn't there a year-round open season on idiots? ;)
>
>Shiva
Noah Simoneaux
(snip)
>You name a wild place in the Pacific Northwest, from halfway up B.C. to an
>east-west line defined by the southern Oregon border, from the Continental
>Divide to the crest of the Cascades,
Wow! You have places with those names on your planet(Stupidia) too? Neat.
> and I will show up with a few friends
Imaginary friends don't count in the real world.
>and you and YOUR friends will walk out of there with no weapons. You will never
>see your vehicle or weapons again.
And you're so confident of your abilities that you are afraid to have us meet
you on your home turf, eh? Doesn't sound too confident to me. :/
>
>Give me a month's advance notice.
Yeah, just like you'd get after TSHTF, eh?
>
>This would be a wonderful excuse to take a vacation and visit a lot of
>settlements I have never seen before. Yes, I would be able to pick up some
>help there, of course.
You can pick up help in your imagination? Kewl.
>
>Like I said, son: any time.
>
You've said many things. Most of them are bs.
>Bring a bunch of the saps on this newsgroup.
>
The biggest sap is claiming he'd already be there. ;)
>Should you show up without weapons and with peaceful intent, we will be
>happy to show you a better way to live. Free lessons in very realistic
>survival strategies and tactics.
Can't show what you don't know.
>
>
>
>alanc
No, that's supposed to be ANALC.
satguru schism
<snip of alanc's drivel>
> It's confirmed,
>
> He is a crack head too stupid to know sarcasm when he sees it.
>
> Should be easy to find you, you'll be the one lecturing all the junior hippies.
>
> No worries Alan I will BBQ you last.
>
> Its the law of the jungle bud and herbivore hippies are on the menu.
>
> MMMMMM pass the Bullseye.
Is that Bullseye as in powder or as in BBQ sauce? 'Cuz I just bought
another can o' Bullseye to reload .45's and I don't have any BBQ sauce
on hand. Oh well, c'est le guerre. :-)
The thing that continues to puzzle me about Fabu is how he thinks
people would *want* to live as he is suggesting. Far easier to move
to a nice, temperate coastal area and live off the salmon runs and
whatnot than to spend your time grinding up berries and twigs for your
daily bread.
Lots n' lots a people in this here sad old world who *don't* live the
lifestyle Fagu, err, Fabu keeps insisting that everyone in this group
leads. He very carefully sets up his strawman and then crows when he
knocks it down. Little does he realize that the last thing the truly
serious folks on this NG would do would be to reveal their actual
plans to him.
I live far enough out in the country that lots of my neighbors have
horses, and I learned how to hitch up a single tree turning plow from
my grandpa when I was about eight. That's the kinda skill that will
come in a lot handier than weaving windbreakers out of poison oak.
Hey, Fabu, I'm gonna fire up a big honkin' generator and restart the
oil refinery down the road to supply me with diesel fuel
post-TEOTWAWKI. 'Zat OK with you, or do I need to lay in a bigger
supply of powder and primers? 'Cuz I'm down to about 50 pounds or so
of powder and only a couple thousand primers of various sizes. Should
cost me about $75-80 to double the size of my stash, but fer you, I'm
willin' to do it. Let me know when you and the veggie stalkers are
ready to take me and my neighbors on, ya hear?
Regards,
Jack Brooks
>
> Mike
Benjamin Liu
>
Alanc's violent nature is becoming more apparent.
>
> Anytime son. Bother us and we will take your weapons away from you and bury
How will you do this? A common reaction from normal people to a bunch
of nuts attcking them and trying to take their weapon sis to use them
on the nuts.
> them someplace, make you show us to your camp or settlement, and make sure
> that
So you do plan on marauding into other people's territory using a
hostage. This sounds very Mabuvian.
> you don't have any more. Feed your women anti-conception drugs and kill any
Assault with chemicals. You are not a doctor and do not know what
drug allergies these women might have.
> dogs and large domestic animals that you have.
>
>
I guess you don't like animals. Some dogs might fight back though,
and you poison dart blowguns are not that useful against moving
targets. Attack dogs are fast.
> Your choice.
>
> But if you are planning to live a lifestyle that uses weapons, I highly
> recommend that you do it someplace a long way from one of our villages.
>
If your village actually carries out an assault like the one you
describe, you can bet the neighbors will send out a posse to hunt you
down and terminate your entire pathetic village. Your CO generators
and poison darts won't match the range of rifles.
> Of course, you have no way of knowing just where those are, so I guess you'll
> just have to take your chances.
Considering that if your villages actually exist you are hidden on
property belonging to others, what makes them "yours?"
>
> Or you could quit listening to these fools and get some sense and morality.
>
Or you could read "The (Mis)Adventures of Alanc.
>
> Are you sure that I have killfiled even one person? No way to tell from your
> end, is there?
>
Who cares?
> Cheers,
>
>
> alanc
Myal
"Winston §mith" <NOspa...@1stconnect.com> wrote in message
news:3efe7f4c...@news.1stConnect.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:37:37 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > You name a wild place in the Pacific Northwest, from halfway up B.C. to
an
> > east-west line defined by the southern Oregon border, from the
Continental
> > Divide to the crest of the Cascades, and I will show up with a few
friends and
> > you and YOUR friends will walk out of there with no weapons. You will
never
> > see your vehicle or weapons again.
>
> the bad parts of the inner city. I'm betting you won't walk out and
> we won't have to do anything but watch and chuckle. And they will
> have your vehicle through the chop shop in 5 minutes flat.
>
> Got the balls to try some survival on our turf, nature boy ?
>
He dont got balls , he botched his vasectomy .
Myal
> > alanc
>
> --
>
> W§ in m.s - http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira
>
Gunner
schism) wrote:
>
>Hey, Fabu, I'm gonna fire up a big honkin' generator and restart the
>oil refinery down the road to supply me with diesel fuel
>post-TEOTWAWKI. 'Zat OK with you, or do I need to lay in a bigger
>supply of powder and primers? 'Cuz I'm down to about 50 pounds or so
>of powder and only a couple thousand primers of various sizes. Should
>cost me about $75-80 to double the size of my stash, but fer you, I'm
>willin' to do it. Let me know when you and the veggie stalkers are
>ready to take me and my neighbors on, ya hear?
>
>Regards,
>
>Jack Brooks
Your way undersupplied with primers. Stock up.
North
Since Alan has lived for 30 years in the forest, no one will miss him,
and I know the Gov. would not care. (IIRC, its legal to shoot fleeing
felons)
>
Condor Chef
>
> >
> > You name a wild place in the Pacific Northwest, from halfway up B.C. to
an
> > east-west line defined by the southern Oregon border, from the
Continental
> > Divide to the crest of the Cascades, and I will show up with a few
friends and
> > you and YOUR friends will walk out of there with no weapons. You will
never
> > see your vehicle or weapons again.
>
> the bad parts of the inner city. I'm betting you won't walk out and
> we won't have to do anything but watch and chuckle. And they will
> have your vehicle through the chop shop in 5 minutes flat.
>
> Got the balls to try some survival on our turf, nature boy ?
Not Seattle - Hilltop area of Tacoma - and hell, let him cheat - give him
some clothes. An Izod shirt and Dockers. That'll do.
CC
North
Start crossposting all of Alan's shit to the linux groups
North
satguru schism
> On 28 Jun 2003 21:52:34 -0700, ja...@bellavistapoa.com (satguru
> schism) wrote:
>
> >
> >Hey, Fabu, I'm gonna fire up a big honkin' generator and restart the
> >oil refinery down the road to supply me with diesel fuel
> >post-TEOTWAWKI. 'Zat OK with you, or do I need to lay in a bigger
> >supply of powder and primers? 'Cuz I'm down to about 50 pounds or so
> >of powder and only a couple thousand primers of various sizes. Should
> >cost me about $75-80 to double the size of my stash, but fer you, I'm
> >willin' to do it. Let me know when you and the veggie stalkers are
> >ready to take me and my neighbors on, ya hear?
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jack Brooks
>
> Your way undersupplied with primers. Stock up.
Yeah, I know. That's why I'd buy lots more primers than powder. By
the way, anyone got any suggestions for a good way to store primers
long term?
Sue
OK Now I get it. That's why there's nothing there. I start reading
at the bottom of the list. Sorry. This damned Agent and damned me
for my ignorance. I can't see where any post goes to other than MS.
Sue
Noah Simoneaux
(snip)
>OK Now I get it. That's why there's nothing there. I start reading
>at the bottom of the list. Sorry. This damned Agent and damned me
>for my ignorance. I can't see where any post goes to other than MS.
>Sue
>
Click on Message on the toolbar on the top of the screen. Then select Show All
Header Fields. This option will show you ALL the header information for each
message, including all groups the message was sent to.
Sue
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:06:39 GMT, Sue <seb...@thegrid.net> wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>>OK Now I get it. That's why there's nothing there. I start reading
>>at the bottom of the list. Sorry. This damned Agent and damned me
>>for my ignorance. I can't see where any post goes to other than MS.
>>Sue
>>
>
>Click on Message on the toolbar on the top of the screen. Then select Show All
>Header Fields. This option will show you ALL the header information for each
>message, including all groups the message was sent to.
Well, that sure gave me more info than I needed. There isn't some way
to just show the cross-posted groups?
Sue
Bob G
>Well, that sure gave me more info than I needed. There isn't some way
>to just show the cross-posted groups?
>Sue
Uh huh. When typing your reply look at the top of the screen. Under
"Newsgroups" it'll show all the crossposted newsgroups. Edit out the
ones you don't want a copy of the reply sent to.
Me, I know this, but simply often forget to do so.
Bob
Sue
>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:12:17 GMT, Sue <seb...@thegrid.net> wrote:
>
>>Well, that sure gave me more info than I needed. There isn't some way
>>to just show the cross-posted groups?
>>Sue
>
>Uh huh. When typing your reply look at the top of the screen. Under
>"Newsgroups" it'll show all the crossposted newsgroups. Edit out the
>ones you don't want a copy of the reply sent to.
I thought it was doing this a few days ago but it isn't now. I just
checked on a thread that I know is crossposted (something about more
Israeli spies), clicked on the Post thing and clicked on reply to
newsgroup (or whatever it says) and only MS is showing. I've diddled
around with this thing so much that it's anybody's guess as to what
settings I have. I'm new at this Agent business and liking it less
and less. Probably a failing on my part but I like simplicity and
this ain't it. There is one feature I *do* like that I haven't found
on any of the other newsreaders I've used and that is being able to
completely delete a thread by way of highlighting. I still can't get
this thing to leave the posts as unread when I turn it off and turn it
back on. Sometimes I don't have time to read everything and may want
to get back to it later. Sigh. I should be a Luddite.
Sue
Gunner
schism) wrote:
>Gunner <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:<pv3tfvcqqto77vump...@4ax.com>...
>> On 28 Jun 2003 21:52:34 -0700, ja...@bellavistapoa.com (satguru
>> schism) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Hey, Fabu, I'm gonna fire up a big honkin' generator and restart the
>> >oil refinery down the road to supply me with diesel fuel
>> >post-TEOTWAWKI. 'Zat OK with you, or do I need to lay in a bigger
>> >supply of powder and primers? 'Cuz I'm down to about 50 pounds or so
>> >of powder and only a couple thousand primers of various sizes. Should
>> >cost me about $75-80 to double the size of my stash, but fer you, I'm
>> >willin' to do it. Let me know when you and the veggie stalkers are
>> >ready to take me and my neighbors on, ya hear?
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Jack Brooks
>>
>> Your way undersupplied with primers. Stock up.
>
>Yeah, I know. That's why I'd buy lots more primers than powder. By
>the way, anyone got any suggestions for a good way to store primers
>long term?
>
>>
>> Gunner
Sure, 50 cal ammo cans. Keep in a cool dry place. Will last for a
hundred years or longer.
Gunner
Sure, click on Reply and check the top box for all the groups its
being cross posted to. Then cancel and close the window;. Two clicks.
<G>
Gunner
Correction. Post/followup then check the window. 4 clicks <G>
Noah Simoneaux
> I still can't get
>this thing to leave the posts as unread when I turn it off and turn it
>back on. Sometimes I don't have time to read everything and may want
>to get back to it later.
While you're reading messages, click on the Group button at the top of the
screen. On the menu that pops up select Default Properties. There you can choose
the Do Not Mark Any Existing Messages Read. That might fix that problem.
(snip)
Anyone who thinks there is some good in everyone hasn't interviewed enough people.
Eastman's Personnel Director's Law
North
Sue, and the rest of the group:
I've been sick this weekend and haven't much felt like replying to
Alan. Since he isn't reading my posts anyways, I thought it would be
nice to get some input from all the groups that Alan trolled last
year. If anyone objects to me crosspost Alans posts then please tell
me.
Sue
>Sue, and the rest of the group:
>I've been sick this weekend and haven't much felt like replying to
>Alan. Since he isn't reading my posts anyways, I thought it would be
>nice to get some input from all the groups that Alan trolled last
>year. If anyone objects to me crosspost Alans posts then please tell
>me.
Sorry you're sick. :o(
I don't care at all if you crosspost.
Sue
Sue
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:24:28 GMT, Sue <seb...@thegrid.net> wrote:
>> I still can't get
>>this thing to leave the posts as unread when I turn it off and turn it
>>back on. Sometimes I don't have time to read everything and may want
>>to get back to it later.
>
>While you're reading messages, click on the Group button at the top of the
>screen. On the menu that pops up select Default Properties. There you can choose
>the Do Not Mark Any Existing Messages Read. That might fix that problem.
I'll give that a try but it seems to me that that will show everything
read all the time which is just as bad. We'll see. Guess I'm just
fussy but I got used to certain features in the "low class" readers.
Thanks, Sue
Sue
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:24:28 GMT, Sue <seb...@thegrid.net> wrote:
>> I still can't get
>>this thing to leave the posts as unread when I turn it off and turn it
>>back on. Sometimes I don't have time to read everything and may want
>>to get back to it later.
>
>While you're reading messages, click on the Group button at the top of the
>screen. On the menu that pops up select Default Properties. There you can choose
>the Do Not Mark Any Existing Messages Read. That might fix that problem.
Wowie Zowie. I think it worked. Thank you a million times over!!
Sue
satguru schism
Noah Simoneaux
(snip)
>Sue, and the rest of the group:
>I've been sick this weekend and haven't much felt like replying to
>Alan. Since he isn't reading my posts anyways, I thought it would be
>nice to get some input from all the groups that Alan trolled last
>year. If anyone objects to me crosspost Alans posts then please tell
>me.
>
Oh, by all means crosspost. More people need to be aware of all that "wisdom"
analc has to share. ;)
Mach Twain
>...I'm new at this Agent business and liking it less
> and less. Probably a failing on my part but I like simplicity and
> this ain't it....
I've been using Free Agent for a few months also, and finally deleted it
yesterday. I believe that it wasn't sending a lot of my posts, and know
it has crashed my computer a few times. I thought that I would try
Xnews; but when I downloaded all the newsgroups to subscribe to, they
weren't in alphabetical order, and I can't figure out how to rearrange
them, so.....
Stuck here in Netscape... (and Netscape is screwing up the 'Mach' and
'Twain' in my header fields)....
Mach Twain
Sue
I was perfectly happy with Net 4.7 but it went tits up on me. I can't
get into the e-mails or NG's. Then I switched to OE. OK but I don't
like it as much as my 4.7. I also tried Net 7.0 but couldn't figure
out the settings to send mail so that wouldn't do. Sigh. I'm so
computer illiterate. Agent hasn't done anything bad to my computer so
far as I know and I'm learning bit by bit with help here. However,
there are still some things I'd like to do and either can't figure out
how or it simply won't do it. I sure don't require very much. I'd
like to be able to mark a thread as read instead of the entire NG that
I'm on. The only reason I'd want the unfree Agent is to killfile.
Sigh, there are so many....
Sue
>
>Mach Twain
kb9...@blank.com
>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:22:44 +0100, Steve Day <steved...@netherworld.com> wrote:
>> SURVIVAL RULE NUMBER ONE
>>
>> Ignore everything Alan Conner tells you.
>>
>>
>
>
>That's pretty funny.
>
>But the truth is, that the majority of people who follow the bulk of the
>advice on this newsgroup will have a very bad time and then they will die.
>
>Do a little homework.
>
>How many large game animals are there?
More than there were several hundred years ago.
>alanc
>
>
>
>
Fasten all seat belts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the 3-ring circus
, secure all animals in the zoo....
Alan Connor
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:34:15 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:22:44 +0100, Steve Day <steved...@netherworld.com> wrote:
>>> SURVIVAL RULE NUMBER ONE
>>>
>>> Ignore everything Alan Conner tells you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>That's pretty funny.
>>
>>But the truth is, that the majority of people who follow the bulk of the
>>advice on this newsgroup will have a very bad time and then they will die.
>>
>>Do a little homework.
>>
>>How many large game animals are there?
>
> More than there were several hundred years ago.
Just tell yourself that over and over.
And you will still die slowly when the Collapse comes if you think you
are going to make a living as a hunter.
Gotta killfile you.
No time for complete idiots.
sorry,
alanc
>>alanc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Fasten all seat belts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the 3-ring circus
> , secure all animals in the zoo....
--
There's no place like ~.
Myal
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:36:10 GMT, kb9...@blank.com <kb9...@blank.com>
wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:34:15 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:22:44 +0100, Steve Day
<steved...@netherworld.com> wrote:
> >>> SURVIVAL RULE NUMBER ONE
> >>>
> >>> Ignore everything Alan Conner tells you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>That's pretty funny.
> >>
> >>But the truth is, that the majority of people who follow the bulk of
the
> >>advice on this newsgroup will have a very bad time and then they will
die.
> >>
> >>Do a little homework.
> >>
> >>How many large game animals are there?
> >
> > More than there were several hundred years ago.
>
>
> Just tell yourself that over and over.
>
>
> And you will still die slowly when the Collapse comes if you think you
> are going to make a living as a hunter.
>
> Gotta killfile you.
>
> No time for complete idiots.
>
> sorry,
>
>
> alanc
>
>
>
>
Welcome to the Mythical Realms of the KillFile !!
You did good , you were insulted and apoligised to by alanc !!
Someone get this guy a beer !!
Myal
Sue
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:36:10 GMT, kb9...@blank.com <kb9...@blank.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:34:15 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:22:44 +0100, Steve Day <steved...@netherworld.com> wrote:
>>>> SURVIVAL RULE NUMBER ONE
>>>>
>>>> Ignore everything Alan Conner tells you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That's pretty funny.
>>>
>>>But the truth is, that the majority of people who follow the bulk of the
>>>advice on this newsgroup will have a very bad time and then they will die.
>>>
>>>Do a little homework.
>>>
>>>How many large game animals are there?
>>
>> More than there were several hundred years ago.
>
>
>Just tell yourself that over and over.
>
>
>And you will still die slowly when the Collapse comes if you think you
>are going to make a living as a hunter.
>
>Gotta killfile you.
Welcome to Alan's killfile!!! At first it was oh so special but it
seems just anybody gets in now. ;o)
Sue from Alan's killfile - or not
Alan Connor
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:34:15 GMT, Alan Connor <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:22:44 +0100, Steve Day <steved...@netherworld.com> wrote:
>>> SURVIVAL RULE NUMBER ONE
>>>
>>> Ignore everything Alan Conner tells you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>That's pretty funny.
>>
>>But the truth is, that the majority of people who follow the bulk of the
>>advice on this newsgroup will have a very bad time and then they will die.
>>
>>Do a little homework.
>>
>>How many large game animals are there?
>
> More than there were several hundred years ago.
Thought of a way I could play along with you and still let people see what
the truth of the matter is:
Define your area
Now tell us how many large game animals there were in that area 300 years ago.
Now tell us how many people there were in that area 300 years ago.
NEXT
Tell us how many large game animals there are in that area NOW.
And tell us how many people are in that area now.
List the animals that you mean when you say "big game animals".
That's pretty damn fair. If you can answer these with sources for us to
check, I will leave you out of my killfile after reading your response to
this. Until you prove that you are, like most of the people here, afraid to
take on the issues I have raised headon and hide behind childish name-calling
and the like.
Got ya!
alanc
Sue
>
>
>Got ya!
More likely ya got a case of crabs.
Sue - from Alan's killfile - or not
>
>
>alanc
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Myal
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
This is different , alanc makes a statement , now demands that someone else
comes up with proof to back alanc's statement .
AND blackmails him with the threat of killfiling him if he doesnt !!
( we getting short on room and beer in this here killfile )
This is alanc's idea of meeting an issue head on ?
Poor poor delusional semi insane person !
Myal
>
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Alan Connor
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:31:30 +1000, "Myal" <dum...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>|This is different , alanc makes a statement , now demands that someone else
>|comes up with proof to back alanc's statement .
An enormous amount of land in the lower 48 is no longer suitable habitat for
big game animals
roads
buildings
farms
lawns/parks/receational areas/parking lots/outdoor storage/ad infinitum
dumps
Vast acreages have been destroyed by mining and by factory pollution
Enormous areas of grasslands and forest have been taken over for sheep/cattle/
horse/etc grazing.
(No, those are owned by ranchers and you won't be able to take them. Those
people are as tough and dangerous as special forces people and know the land
like the back of their hands, and are always ready for the Collapse.)
And the bozo inferred that there was a higher ratio of big game animals to
people now, than there was 300 years ago.
That's nuts.
The burden of proof is OBVIOUSLY on him.
And he can start by subtracting 99.999% of the American Bison, can't he?
You people had better pull your heads out of your asses and take a look at
reality.
As it stands, not 1 in 20 of you have a chance of lasting a year without the
Big Tit of industry. The Grid.
alanc
>|AND blackmails him with the threat of killfiling him if he doesnt !!
>|( we getting short on room and beer in this here killfile )
>|This is alanc's idea of meeting an issue head on ?
>|Poor poor delusional semi insane person !
>|Myal
>
> How do you conclude he is *only* semi-insane?
>
> It sounds to me like he has swallowed the hook, line, sinker, and the
> rod and reel
Myal
"Lawrence Glickman" <lgli...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:ka02gvodjvpa1o8la...@4ax.com...
else
> |comes up with proof to back alanc's statement .
> |AND blackmails him with the threat of killfiling him if he doesnt !!
> |( we getting short on room and beer in this here killfile )
> |This is alanc's idea of meeting an issue head on ?
> |Poor poor delusional semi insane person !
> |Myal
>
>
> It sounds to me like he has swallowed the hook, line, sinker, and the
> rod and reel
He has the ability to construct sentences longer than two words , and use a
computer at the local net cafe .
I supose I should have labeled him
"semi functional"
sanity does seem to be a bit lacking in WildWood
Myal
Bill Dearth
big game animals. And how hard is it to take a ranchers cattle/sheep/pigs?
I mean, if you can do it, Gary the Retard could, probally faster and more
efficiently.
And as the one making the claims, the burden of proof is on you. Fact is,
there is more forested land now than there was 300 years ago. Fact.
Yes the bison are gone, more or less. Deer, whitetail and mule, are up.
Turkey is up. And enormous areas are now devoted to corn, wheat, soy, oats
etc, so plenty of SUPLIMENTAL food there.
Now Bruce, to the meat of your arguement. When did an
anti-city/anti-dump/anti-store/anti-stockpile bomb get developed? Why is it
you think all these resources will disappear? For those that are willing
and smart enough, there is a huge amount of stuff to use for a year or three
while civilization gets started again. Just have to know where to
look...and most here do know where to look, often in their own basement or
barn.
There will be no need to live like you suggest. If all cities, all stores,
all stockpiles, all dumps, all factories and all military bases were to be
destroyed, there would be no one left to care.
Anything else favors the person willing and knowlegable enough to use EVERY
resource at hand. You are not one of these people, Bruce.
Bill
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:y48Ma.72941$Io.68...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Offbreed
> Sue wrote:
>
>> ...I'm new at this Agent business and liking it less
>> and less. Probably a failing on my part but I like simplicity and
>> this ain't it....
>
>
> I've been using Free Agent for a few months also, and finally deleted it
> yesterday. I believe that it wasn't sending a lot of my posts, and know
> it has crashed my computer a few times.
I'm trying Mozilla, which is supposed to be about the same as Netscape.
It works fine as long as I stick to ms, but it has stopped working for
any other ng. It freezes up on me.
*Supposidly* the right way to install a program is to turn off
everything down to explorer and systray (or start in "safe mode") and
then install. It seems to help a bit.
H L. Falls
Alan Connor <alanc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>An enormous amount of land in the lower 48 is no longer suitable habitat for
>big game animals
>
>roads
>buildings
>farms
>lawns/parks/receational areas/parking lots/outdoor storage/ad infinitum
>dumps
Actually Alan, farms, lawns, parks, and recreational areas are
*excellent* habitat for big game animals.
(Okay, let me qualify that. I'm in Virginia. Around here "big
game animal" means primarily white tailed deer, with some turkey
and black bear. I believe you're out west, and I'm less familiar
with elk, mule deer and so forth...)
Anyway... Several hundred years ago, most of the area east of the
Mississippi River was climax forest. Not a whole lot of sunlight
reaching the ground, not a whole lot of low growth where deer could
browse. Today, outside the truely urban areas (which, impressive
as they are, really don't occupy a significant fraction of the total
land area) the mix of forest and open land provides vastly more
food and cover for wildlife.
For whatever it's worth, back when I was a youngster studying such
things in summer camp it was estimated that the number of deer in
Virginia was at least ten times greater than in pre-Columbian times,
and those numbers have gone *way* up in the thirty-some years since.
>Vast acreages have been destroyed by mining and by factory pollution
Again, only discussing what I know personally... My ex-wife's
folks lived in open-pit coal mining country in southwest Virginia.
Once the pits and spoil piles were abandoned, grass and trees
were fairly quickly reclaiming the land. The topography was a
lot flatter and sharper-cornered than "natural", but the ability
to support life was only temporarily set back.
>Enormous areas of grasslands and forest have been taken over for sheep/cattle/
>horse/etc grazing.
And deer and other wildlife feed there as well...
>(No, those are owned by ranchers and you won't be able to take them. Those
>people are as tough and dangerous as special forces people and know the land
>like the back of their hands, and are always ready for the Collapse.)
Ouch! (Bit my tongue! ;)
>And the bozo inferred that there was a higher ratio of big game animals to
>people now, than there was 300 years ago.
>
>That's nuts.
Actually, no. 30 years ago there were ten times the number of deer
that there were 300 years ago. Now there are probably ten times the
number there were 30 years ago.
Things bottomed out maybe a hundred years ago or a bit more, mostly
due to market hunting and slaughtering everything not immediately
useful (as in, why let deer eat grass that your cattle can use?).
Since then, ironically due mostly to hunters who didn't want to be
left with nothing to hunt, the situation has turned around to the
point that game animals can sometimes be an outright nuisance!
>The burden of proof is OBVIOUSLY on him.
>
>And he can start by subtracting 99.999% of the American Bison, can't he?
Slaughtered mainly for political purposes -- to destroy the
independance of the American Indians. Though I'll concede your
point that in an emergency they're not there to eat *now*...
>You people had better pull your heads out of your asses and take a look at
>reality.
>
>As it stands, not 1 in 20 of you have a chance of lasting a year without the
>Big Tit of industry. The Grid.
If so, then at least it'll be reasonably quick... But I'm still
willing to bet my life on the more conventional wisdom versus your
fantasy land. If I'm wrong, go ahead and gloat. Won't bother me
in the least! ;)
>alanc
--Landon
kb9...@blank.com
Please pardon me, H.L. Falls, for posting around you.
I have Alan killfiled but thought I'd post this anyway. Another case
of Alan spouting crap that has no basis in fact.
The following paragraph is by Michael A. Coffey, Wildlife Biologist,
Natural Resources Management Division
"White-tailed deer occur throughout the contiguous United States
except in some parts of the Southwest. Nationwide, deer populations
have increased from between 350,000 and 500,000 in the early 1900s to
an estimated 24 million in 1999. Since the late 1950s, the densities
of white-tailed deer in the eastern United States have increased to
levels that are probably higher than they have ever been. The
distribution too seems to have changed drastically across the species'
former range. Scientists believe that the increased density and the
shift in distribution are attributable to large-scale changes in land
use. For example, logging and the conversion of forested lands into
agricultural, suburban, and other types of developed landscapes
created favorable deer habitat with year-round, reliable food sources
that allow deer populations to flourish. The enhancement and expansion
of deer habitat was accompanied by a decrease in historical controls
of deer population growth. Unlike the deer, their predators such as
the wolf (Canis lupus), mountain lion (Felis concolor), and bobcat
(Lynx rufus) did not adapt to the habitat changes or were extirpated
in most of the eastern United States. "
According to this, the populations of white-tailed deer rose from
under 1/2 million to approx. 24 million in the last 100 years.
According to the Pennsylvania Game Commission, in 1700 there was an
estimated 10 deer per square mile. Presently, there is an estimated
30 deer per square mile.
Species Est. Pop. 1900 Est. Pop. 1997 Increase
White-tailed Deer 500,000 25,000,000 50X
Elk 40,000 1,000,000
25X
Pronghorn Antelope 13,000 650,000 50X
Now shut the fuck up and go away Alan.
Sue
Better luck next time. ;o)
However, your source seems to be someone from the evil govt so maybe
he will reject your source and put you in here with the rest of us..
Sue
Sue - from Alan's killfile - or not
H L. Falls
Actually, thanks for doing the research I was too lazy to do! ;)
[good stuff snipped]
--Landon
kb9...@blank.com
>You do understand that this may keep you out of Alan's killfile.
>Better luck next time. ;o)
>However, your source seems to be someone from the evil govt so maybe
>he will reject your source and put you in here with the rest of us..
>Sue
>Sue - from Alan's killfile - or not
>
Sue,
My post contains facts. That alone is enough to make nature boy
reject it. I filed him away the other day so I don't know if he
replied yet but I doubt it. Someone would have probably replied to
him if he had. Chances are he won't touch it.
Mach Twain
> According to this, the populations of white-tailed deer rose from
> under 1/2 million to approx. 24 million in the last 100 years.
> Species Est. Pop. 1900 Est. Pop. 1997 Increase
>
>
> White-tailed Deer 500,000 25,000,000 50X
>
> Elk 40,000 1,000,000
> 25X
>
> Pronghorn Antelope 13,000 650,000 50X
>
And if they are hunted again like during the 'great depression' of the
20-30-s they'll go back to 1900 levels.
Mach Twain
Sue
>On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 02:04:46 GMT, Sue <seb...@thegrid.net> wrote:
>
>>You do understand that this may keep you out of Alan's killfile.
>>Better luck next time. ;o)
>>However, your source seems to be someone from the evil govt so maybe
>>he will reject your source and put you in here with the rest of us..
>>Sue
>>Sue - from Alan's killfile - or not
>>
>Sue,
>My post contains facts. That alone is enough to make nature boy
>reject it. I filed him away the other day so I don't know if he
>replied yet but I doubt it. Someone would have probably replied to
>him if he had. Chances are he won't touch it.
Chuckle. No reply from him yet. I think you're right - there won't
be.
Sue
kb9...@blank.com
<http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hunting/deer/d_grph1.html>
Here is a chart showing populations in California from 1800 - 2000.
The deer populations had a steady increase in numbers during the 1920s
- 1950s. I can't find any statistics that agree with your view of
history. I find nothing showing drastic declines in populations
during the depression era. Can you? If so, post it.
The 1920's is approx. when conservation efforts began and limits were
put on the number you could kill etc.
H L. Falls
Sue <seb...@thegrid.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:33:58 GMT, kb9...@blank.com wrote:
>
>>Sue,
>>My post contains facts. That alone is enough to make nature boy
>>reject it. I filed him away the other day so I don't know if he
>>replied yet but I doubt it. Someone would have probably replied to
>>him if he had. Chances are he won't touch it.
>
>Chuckle. No reply from him yet. I think you're right - there won't
>be.
>Sue
He *does* seem to have abandoned this thread, doesn't he? :)
--Landon
Mach Twain
>>And if they(big game) are hunted again like during the 'great depression' of the
>>20-30-s they'll go back to 1900 levels.
>>
>>Mach Twain
>
> <http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hunting/deer/d_grph1.html>
>
> Here is a chart showing populations in California from 1800 - 2000.
> The deer populations had a steady increase in numbers during the 1920s
> - 1950s. I can't find any statistics that agree with your view of
> history. I find nothing showing drastic declines in populations
> during the depression era. Can you? If so, post it.
> The 1920's is approx. when conservation efforts began and limits were
> put on the number you could kill etc.
>
My statement was based on stories by Missouri old timers.
They are verified at this site:
http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/hunt/deer/deertxt.html
".....The low point in Missouri deer numbers occurred around 1925 when
Game and Fish Department (predecessor to the Department of Conservation)
personnel conducted the first statewide deer inventory and reported 395
deer in 23 counties (Robb l959)."
However, the deer population was already almost exterminated previous to
the depression. I checked a few other states, and found that most had a
history more similar to ca than mo. It appears that I came to the wrong
conclusion based on insufficient data, partly because it just 'seemed
logical'. Thinking about it now, it seems like the great depression hit
hardest amongst city people, who would be unlikely to hunt very much.
Mach Twain
Johnson..
"Mach Twain" <mach...@coldmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F046209...@coldmail.com...
I think your logic is better than you give yourself credit for. There is a
drastic drop during the gold rush. I assume a lot of folks would be living
off the land during that period in history. Sort of like a TSHIF scenario?
--
Top 10 Ways to Procrastinate.
1.
strabo
>On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:14:01 -0600, Mach Twain
><mach...@coldmail.com> wrote:
>
>>kb9...@blank.com wrote:
>>
>>> According to this, the populations of white-tailed deer rose from
>>> under 1/2 million to approx. 24 million in the last 100 years.
>>
>> > Species Est. Pop. 1900 Est. Pop. 1997 Increase
>> >
>> >
>> > White-tailed Deer 500,000 25,000,000 50X
>> >
>> > Elk 40,000 1,000,000
>> > 25X
>> >
>> > Pronghorn Antelope 13,000 650,000 50X
>> >
>>
>>And if they are hunted again like during the 'great depression' of the
>>20-30-s they'll go back to 1900 levels.
>>
>>Mach Twain
>
><http://www.dfg.ca.gov/hunting/deer/d_grph1.html>
>
>Here is a chart showing populations in California from 1800 - 2000.
>The deer populations had a steady increase in numbers during the 1920s
>- 1950s. I can't find any statistics that agree with your view of
>history. I find nothing showing drastic declines in populations
>during the depression era. Can you? If so, post it.
>The 1920's is approx. when conservation efforts began and limits were
>put on the number you could kill etc.
Compared to Eastern and Midwestern states, California's people
population density was much lower during the Depression.
strabo
Deer were a principle source of food for country folk before and
during the Depression.
In the East another factor for a waning deer population was the
cutting of trees. Smaller forests meant smaller deer herds.
Today there are more trees and deer since the early 1800s.
>Mach Twain
>
>
kb9...@blank.com
wrote:
Everything I have read credits the cutting of trees with the increase
of deer populations. The places that were forested did not have
enough low vegetation to sustain high population densities. The
cutting brought in both grasslands and farms which meant year round
supplies of available food. It also removed the territory where the
deers natural predators lived and caused a decline in their
populations. Less predation and more available food meant higher
populations.
>
>>Mach Twain
kb9...@blank.com
I didn't see anything onMissouri or I might have changed my thinking a
bit as well. I was basing my statements on what was being reported as
national estimates of population. I'm sure there were areas that may
have been hit a lot harder than others but the general trend was
higher populations. Deer have a fairly good reproduction rate and can
"come back" or recover fairly quickly from high losses in numbers.
North
Deer can also be domesticated <SP?>, My neighbor has around 75 deer,
he raises them like cattle, and sells the meat to fancy eaterys.
Here at my homestead I raise rabbits and chickens, I have two goats
also. I can also raise deer if I need to.
My neighbor tells me that all you need for deer are about 3 or 4 apple
trees and a few acers of grass land. In the fall the deer will fatten
up on the apples on the ground, and during the winter they will graze.
He says that raising deer is far easier than cattle.
strabo
Good points but there are more trees, and more deer. Today's
forests are relatively young, broken up by burnouts and farms and
transition meadows. Bear and deer are on the increase in every
Eastern state with over population in some areas. A few states
have authorized doubling and tripling deer kills and extended
hunting periods in an effort to control the herds. Big cats
and wolves are reported where none have been seen in 70-80
years.
Take a look at rural photographs from 1861 through the 1920s.
Dense forests were clearcut for timber and farmland and the
animals decreased as a result. Today, this is reversed, with
much farmland in disuse and new forests growing right next to
suburbs and with this the animals are returning.
Alan Connor
>
> Take a look at rural photographs from 1861 through the 1920s.
> Dense forests were clearcut for timber and farmland and the
> animals decreased as a result. Today, this is reversed, with
> much farmland in disuse and new forests growing right next to
> suburbs and with this the animals are returning.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>>Mach Twain
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Fasten all seat belts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the 3-ring circus
>>, secure all animals in the zoo....
>
Once again you are evading the heart of the matter:
What is the current ratio of people to deer (etc.)?
What was that ratio 200 years ago ?
How many per year will someone planning to make much of their living from
these creatures want to take?
Do the math.
alanc
North
Hunting is great sport, and a very usefull skill for survival.
However in a post TEOTWAWKI situation, it would be far better to raise
livestock. Yes deer can be raised as a livestock, along with:
Chickens, Rabbits, Turkeys, etc.....
>
Deer and cattle can eat things that we humans cannot eat.
And don't give me that same old line that some mutants are going to
steel my livestock or that you and your bunch will kill my livestock.
My place is well defended, as well as all of my neighbors.
You see Alan, unlike you I own all of my land outright. I have no need
to hide.
You say that you don't work, don't pay taxes, don't obey laws, etc...
That tells me that you are A) either making all of this up (which I
beleave to be the case) or B) You are just a lazy bum/drug addict, who
has failed at holding a job, saving money, etc... Therefore you have
invented a lifestyle thats make you look good in your own mind. The
truth is Alan, you can't admitt that you fail at everything you do.
You have created a false bloated ego, because you can't admitt to
yourself that you are a loser.
Only a loser would squat on land that does not belong to them.
Only a loser would stoop to using chemical weapons, drugged darts
(also a chemical weapon)
Only a loser would stoop to constant lying.
Only a loser would need to hide from soceity.
You Sir are a classic loser.
>
>
>
>
>
>
kb9...@blank.com
wrote:
>On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:10:37 GMT, kb9...@blank.com wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 17:46:26 -0400, strabo <str...@flashmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>Everything I have read credits the cutting of trees with the increase
>>of deer populations. The places that were forested did not have
>>enough low vegetation to sustain high population densities. The
>>cutting brought in both grasslands and farms which meant year round
>>supplies of available food. It also removed the territory where the
>>deers natural predators lived and caused a decline in their
>>populations. Less predation and more available food meant higher
>>populations.
>
>Good points but there are more trees, and more deer. Today's
>forests are relatively young, broken up by burnouts and farms and
>transition meadows.
Seems to me, that right there may be a big part of it. New growth vs
dense old growth forests that don't allow for much of anything to grow
beneath them.
>Bear and deer are on the increase in every
>Eastern state with over population in some areas. A few states
>have authorized doubling and tripling deer kills and extended
>hunting periods in an effort to control the herds. Big cats
>and wolves are reported where none have been seen in 70-80
>years.
Very true
Myal
"Alan Connor" <xxx...@xxxx.xxx> wrote in message
> > years.
> >
> > Take a look at rural photographs from 1861 through the 1920s.
> > Dense forests were clearcut for timber and farmland and the
> > animals decreased as a result. Today, this is reversed, with
> > much farmland in disuse and new forests growing right next to
> > suburbs and with this the animals are returning.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>>>Mach Twain
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Fasten all seat belts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in
the mall, cancel the 3-ring circus
> >>, secure all animals in the zoo....
> >
>
> Once again you are evading the heart of the matter:
>
>
> What is the current ratio of people to deer (etc.)?
>
> What was that ratio 200 years ago ?
Please do enlighten us O Wise Weirdo of WildWood !
dont leave us in suspense , wondering where you invent your facts from......
Myal
suspended in the killfile..maybe
Myal
"North" <nor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b6u9gv4tdm7u7kbs7...@4ax.com...
Credit where it is due , he is a well acomplished loser , with a long track
record of losing .
alanc is not only a classic loser , he is an expert loser , with a more
extensive knowledge of losing than most other people , even most losers .
This might even classify him as misc.survivalisim's own resident loser maybe
?
Myal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Mach Twain
>>However, the deer population was already almost exterminated previous to
>>the depression. I checked a few other states, and found that most had a
>>history more similar to ca than mo. It appears that I came to the wrong
>>conclusion based on insufficient data, partly because it just 'seemed
>>logical'. Thinking about it now, it seems like the great depression hit
>>hardest amongst city people, who would be unlikely to hunt very much.
>>
>>Mach Twain
>
> I didn't see anything onMissouri or I might have changed my thinking a
> bit as well. I was basing my statements on what was being reported as
> national estimates of population. I'm sure there were areas that may
> have been hit a lot harder than others but the general trend was
> higher populations. Deer have a fairly good reproduction rate and can
> "come back" or recover fairly quickly from high losses in numbers.
>
It seems that they were hunted heavily as the country was settled, with
low population reached about 1900. I think at that point people
gravitated toward cities, which reduced pressure on them. Also they
began to recieve legal protection about then. Modern agriculture has
resulted in good times in deerland, more deer than ever. But I still
think they will be hit bad in some places under some SHTF scenarios.
But there's all of them 'slow elk' to eat first. ;-)
Mach Twain
Offbreed
> It seems that they were hunted heavily as the country was settled, with
> low population reached about 1900. I think at that point people
> gravitated toward cities, which reduced pressure on them. Also they
> began to recieve legal protection about then. Modern agriculture has
> resulted in good times in deerland, more deer than ever. But I still
> think they will be hit bad in some places under some SHTF scenarios.
> But there's all of them 'slow elk' to eat first. ;-)
Speaking of "slow elk", I think quite a large percentage of the
population has developed an aversion to "wild meat", especially deer, or
there just would not be any deer population problem back on the East Coast.
Dietary prejudice can be lethal. If the history books are correct, some
French starved to death rather than eat cornmeal after WWII, as cornmeal
was "animal food".
What brought this to mind was the "sacred cows" of India. Yes, I've
heard all the excuses, but since when is someone starving to death going
to say "well, the cow gives milk and eats things I cannot, so I'm going
to just pass up getting my first decent meal in 2 yrs"?
Mach Twain
> Speaking of "slow elk", I think quite a large percentage of the
> population has developed an aversion to "wild meat", especially deer, or
> there just would not be any deer population problem back on the East Coast.
I haven't even tried to get a deer here in NM. The $33 permit only gives
you the right to hunt in a small 'game management unit' for a few days.
You can lose your truck and gear if you don't do everything right. At
least in Mo. you had the whole season, and if I remember right, you
could hunt most of the state. Even there, I never took a 'legal' deer,
not wanting to do the check-in thing, etc.
>
> Dietary prejudice can be lethal. If the history books are correct, some
> French starved to death rather than eat cornmeal after WWII, as cornmeal
> was "animal food".
>
> What brought this to mind was the "sacred cows" of India. Yes, I've
> heard all the excuses, but since when is someone starving to death going
> to say "well, the cow gives milk and eats things I cannot, so I'm going
> to just pass up getting my first decent meal in 2 yrs"?
>
It gets into the indefensible religious notions based on 'faith', which,
eventually, are self-limiting. But there is also the possibility that,
in some cases, there is a genetically correct reason for eating
preferences. The French took to force-feeding the geese to turn the corn
into goose liver. I don't know why.
Mach Twain
Offbreed
> Offbreed wrote:
>
>
>> Speaking of "slow elk", I think quite a large percentage of the
>> population has developed an aversion to "wild meat", especially deer,
>> or there just would not be any deer population problem back on the
>> East Coast.
>
>
> I haven't even tried to get a deer here in NM.
New Mexico is on the East Coast? Not only do you have fewer deer per
acre than back east, you also have a much lower population and a higher
percentage of hunters and outdoor oriented people.
When I was based in Charlston, the limit was one deer a day in a nearby
GMU. Also, check up on the deer population in Pennsylvania suburbs.
> It gets into the indefensible religious notions based on 'faith', which,
> eventually, are self-limiting. But there is also the possibility that,
> in some cases, there is a genetically correct reason for eating
> preferences. The French took to force-feeding the geese to turn the corn
> into goose liver. I don't know why.
I've never heard of French, as a genetic group, having trouble with
corn. As far as I've ever heard, it is just a dietary prejudice sort of
thing.