Which Console?
malberto
high-latency internet gaming, and one that forces me to buy memory cards for
game-saving. Bearing those requirements in mind, which console would I own?
Please help!
SINNER
While strolling through alt.games.video.xbox, malberto was overheard plotting:
> Please help!
Come on Mal, your an adult, your married, you live in a house, probably
old enough to have kids, why sink to the level of a troll? Havent I seen
you post things saying, why not just enjoy the games?
--
David
Never let someone who says it cannot be done interrupt the person who is
doing it.
John Hillery
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nightwriter
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jojoboy
spam_is...@hotmail.com says...
>
Its where the money ends up that counts and with MS it comes right back to the
good old USA baby!!!!
Android
"malberto" <m_al...@N.O.S.P.A.M.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Depends. Do you want to play hundreds of games, or will you be content to
play Halo for the rest of your life?
jojoboy
m_al...@N.O.S.P.A.M.hotmail.com says...
>
LOL! You have two choices.....the Sony PS2 or the Sega Dreamcast. I would pick
the Dreamcast.
Sjoerd
news:JIUua.549093$Zo.117414@sccrnsc03...
I want a game console. I don't give a fuck about hardware specs, I don't
give a fuck about internet gaming (got a PC for that), I'm not too cheap to
buy a single memory card that'll last me forever and I want to play more
then just Halo. Now please FOAD and let everyone enjoy the console they
like/bought.
Brian
"malberto" <m_al...@N.O.S.P.A.M.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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IMO all of the existing consoles out today have inferior specs
> the option for
> high-latency internet gaming,
There is no such thing as a lag free internet gaming, what is your point?
> and one that forces me to buy memory cards for
> game-saving.
I own memory cards for "all" of my consoles. Again, what is your point?
> Bearing those requirements in mind, which console would I own?
With the requirements in mind you have listed here........"every" console
out today.
> Please help!
I don't feel you need help if becoming an insecure panty waste was your goal
Lord Of The Weirdos
Also you can run Linux on an unmodded XBox too. You just need the Mega
X-Key, 007: Agent Under Fire, and some free time.
Scott H
"Android" <andr...@NaOtStPbAiM.com> wrote in message
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Says the unbiased PS mag reviewer.
Maniac
sure, that's an overexaggeration, but hey, it was no less asinine than
your comment.
the bottom line is, regardless of the "brand", the industry as a whole
just seems a bit stagnant :(
Phil
If you're gonna troll atleast put some a little effort into it.
Phil
Still has a point, albeit an overstated one on his part. Of course
it's readily apperant that was sarcasm.
Phil
> the bottom line is, regardless of the "brand", the industry as a whole
> just seems a bit stagnant :(
>
What, as opposed to when in the entire history of console gaming?
Phil Da Lick!
news:oOVua.96989$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
> In article <SkVua.128100$w7k....@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> spam_is...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> Its where the money ends up that counts and with MS it comes right back to
the
> good old USA baby!!!!
what a pathetic reason to buy a console. how does that benefit *you*
precisely?
Maniac
exciting games... doh!
Scott H
"Phil" <ps2isn...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Do you seriously want to know the answer to that?
Maniac
wrote:
sure, if you feel like it, but please respond to my entire comment,
rather than snipping out parts.
thanks!
Philip B Kirschner
keeps someone in america employed. No different for the XBOX division of
Microsoft. They hire and emoloyee people, and thus add to the economy.
Dimitri Dewever
also lots of US developers working on PlayStation 2 titles??
Have you ever thought of the fact that the game industry
is an international industry, and that companies, even when
they're based in the US employ lots of people from different
nationalities all over the globe? It's the result that counts
to a developing company in the end, and the amount of talent that
their employees have, not their nationality.
jojoboy
phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
>
>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:oOVua.96989$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> In article <SkVua.128100$w7k....@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
>> spam_is...@hotmail.com says...
>> >
>> Its where the money ends up that counts and with MS it comes right back to
>the
>> good old USA baby!!!!
>
because its an American company that gets the profits and I am an American.
Nothing wrong with having pride in products that come from your homeland.
Having pride in your nations products happens in all other countries in the
world and not enough here in the USA.
Phil Da Lick!
> In article <TAeva.18645$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net>,
> >> Its where the money ends up that counts and with MS it comes right back
to
> >the
> >> good old USA baby!!!!
> >
> I own all the consoles jackass but the Xbox gives me a little fuzzy
feeling
> because its an American company that gets the profits and I am an
American.
If this is what influenced your console choice I feel sorry for you.
> Nothing wrong with having pride in products that come from your homeland.
> Having pride in your nations products happens in all other countries in
the
> world and not enough here in the USA.
Try living this side of the pond and then moan about not being able to have
pride in your country. The only people allowed to have any kind of pride
about life in the UK are all the ethnic minorities and asylum seekers. Any
white Englishman who displays the slightest bit of national pride is branded
a "racist". Pathetic.
massivegrooves
jo...@cox.net wrote on 5/11/03 1:24 PM:
Sad part is that it is not truly made in the USA...designed here most
likely, but definitely not assembled here...
Solid Knight
jojoboy
phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
>
>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:uHvva.119081$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> In article <TAeva.18645$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net>,
>> >> Its where the money ends up that counts and with MS it comes right back
>to
>> >the
>> >> good old USA baby!!!!
>> >
>> I own all the consoles jackass but the Xbox gives me a little fuzzy
>feeling
>> because its an American company that gets the profits and I am an
>American.
>
company like I said in my previous post.
jojoboy
says...
>
>in article uHvva.119081$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net, jojoboy at
>jo...@cox.net wrote on 5/11/03 1:24 PM:
>
>> In article <TAeva.18645$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net>,
>> phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
>>>
>>> "jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:oOVua.96989$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>>>> In article <SkVua.128100$w7k....@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
>>>> spam_is...@hotmail.com says...
>>>>>
>>>> Its where the money ends up that counts and with MS it comes right back
to
>>> the
>>>> good old USA baby!!!!
>>>
>> I own all the consoles jackass but the Xbox gives me a little fuzzy feeling
>> because its an American company that gets the profits and I am an American.
>> Nothing wrong with having pride in products that come from your homeland.
>> Having pride in your nations products happens in all other countries in the
>> world and not enough here in the USA.
>
Like I said in my previous post "its an American company that gets the
profits". They sub contract the making of the console but the profits come to
Microsoft and also microsoft employees ten times more Americans than Sony and
Nintendo put together. Microsoft also keeps it real with huge donations to US
college/business schools. Most teenagers just dont realize how many different
ways a US based company contributes to the local and national economy. Someday
you will hopefully understand.
jojoboy
says...
>
>Have you ever thought of the fact that there are
>also lots of US developers working on PlayStation 2 titles??
>
Said so eloquently as American economic might continues to dwindle!!!!!
Scott H
Possibly, but we're not talking about the difference of hundreds of
games verses even less than one hundred. At the most the difference is in
one or two extra titles per genre worth mentioning on the PS2, at best, not
even on average. Each system has enough games to warrant the purchase,
provided the gamer's taste allows for the different games available on each
system.
Scott H
Sorry, I was replying to Phil, he was the one who snipped your post.
Solid Knight
the world's economy slumps. We are not a self-sufficient country.
---
Maniac
wrote:
>
>Sorry, I was replying to Phil, he was the one who snipped your post.
>
oh.. hehe. my bad then :)
Jonson M.
"Brian" <@> wrote in message news:vbptqsb...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "malberto" <m_al...@N.O.S.P.A.M.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JIUua.549093$Zo.117414@sccrnsc03...
> > I want a game console that has inferior hardware specs,
>
> IMO all of the existing consoles out today have inferior specs
>
> > the option for
> > high-latency internet gaming,
>
> There is no such thing as a lag free internet gaming, what is your point?
> > and one that forces me to buy memory cards for
> > game-saving.
>
> I own memory cards for "all" of my consoles. Again, what is your point?
Wow, you own memory cards too?
> > Bearing those requirements in mind, which console would I own?
>
> With the requirements in mind you have listed here........"every" console
> out today.
>
> > Please help!
>
> I don't feel you need help if becoming an insecure panty waste was your
goal
If you would even read the post, you would have found out he needs help
finding a gaming console. Don't be a dumbass.
Laura P
> Like I said in my previous post "its an American company that gets the
> profits". They sub contract the making of the console but the profits come
to
> Microsoft and also microsoft employees ten times more Americans than Sony
and
> Nintendo put together. Microsoft also keeps it real with huge donations to
US
> college/business schools. Most teenagers just dont realize how many
different
> ways a US based company contributes to the local and national economy.
Someday
> you will hopefully understand.
>
Of course, if Microsoft are making a loss on their Xbox at the moment (as
reported, but not sure of the facts), then by buying one, you're taking the
money and profit OUT of the company! Never mind... ;o)
Laura
Scott H
Heh, but since he didn't seem to want to know, I'd say that 99' through
2000 were more exciting gaming days than today, on all systems, and that 96'
was as well, what with the full force of the 3D evolution going on, but I'd
say that nothing compares to 91'-93' in terms of the industry seriously
putting out tons of quality content. The last year or so has presented very
little in the way of things that are seriously new and progressive, in my
opinion.
Philip B Kirschner
profitability, the higher my shares go.
Phil
jojoboy
says...
>
Wow does somebody around here have that "Master of the Obvious" award? Its
time for giving it out.
jojoboy
says...
>
>
>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:K2Fva.122617$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> In article <BAE4400F.407C8%massive...@cox.net>, massive...@cox.net
>
>
>> Like I said in my previous post "its an American company that gets the
>> profits". They sub contract the making of the console but the profits come
>to
>> Microsoft and also microsoft employees ten times more Americans than Sony
>and
>> Nintendo put together. Microsoft also keeps it real with huge donations to
>US
>> college/business schools. Most teenagers just dont realize how many
>different
>> ways a US based company contributes to the local and national economy.
>Someday
>> you will hopefully understand.
>>
>
heard of the console business plan? You support a console company by buying
their console and then buying the software that goes with it. I didn't think
that spelling it out was needed.
jojoboy
says...
>
Kinda hard to find a Commodore 64 these days so just get a PS2. LOL!!!
Phil Da Lick!
> In article <l4yva.18155$9C6.9...@wards.force9.net>,
> >> because its an American company that gets the profits and I am an
> >American.
> >
> Please dont feel sorry for me. I am happy and proud to support an American
> company like I said in my previous post.
What a sad life you must have.
jojoboy
phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
you support? I bet your from Detroit and drive a Toyota from the nerve it
sounds like I hit.
Phil Da Lick!
> In article <0SRva.21800$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net>,
> >> Please dont feel sorry for me. I am happy and proud to support an
American
> >> company like I said in my previous post.
> >
> And what a sad life you must have observing it! Where are you from and
what do
> you support? I bet your from Detroit and drive a Toyota from the nerve it
> sounds like I hit.
Nope. Sorry. I'm not from Detroit. And I worship no multinational company.
<slap>kicksy
jojoboy wrote:
> In article <b9o2a5$8u2$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, la...@radiowork.freeserve.co.uk
> says...
>
>>
>>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:K2Fva.122617$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>>
>>>In article <BAE4400F.407C8%massive...@cox.net>, massive...@cox.net
>>
>>
>>>Like I said in my previous post "its an American company that gets the
>>>profits". They sub contract the making of the console but the profits come
>>
>>to
>>
>>>Microsoft and also microsoft employees ten times more Americans than Sony
>>
>>and
>>
>>>Nintendo put together. Microsoft also keeps it real with huge donations to
>>
>>US
>>
>>>college/business schools. Most teenagers just dont realize how many
>>
>>different
>>
>>>ways a US based company contributes to the local and national economy.
>>
>>Someday
>>
>>>you will hopefully understand.
>>>
>>
> Yeah right! They make the money off the software sweetheart. Have you ever
> heard of the console business plan? You support a console company by buying
> their console and then buying the software that goes with it. I didn't think
> that spelling it out was needed.
And yet Microsoft continue to lose money on the xbox. Dispite this plan.
It all seems to be going wrong. Perhaps your wise mind should be hired
by them, to find out what went wrong.
--
From the mind of Andrew Kicks.
--
Everyting in tis world is bis.
Evan da world leens too its side.
<slap>kicksy
Do thing have to be brand new, and innovative to be good? No. A lot of
games that are brand new and innovative suck more than a french hooker.
Solid Knight
---
jojoboy
says...
>
Uh thats what I was saying. Everybody should know these things and thats why
they should go without saying hence my comments. But some idiot always has to
come in and state the obvious like everybody else is in the dark.
jojoboy
phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
>
>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:ZqTva.129147$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> In article <0SRva.21800$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net>,
>> >> Please dont feel sorry for me. I am happy and proud to support an
>American
>> >> company like I said in my previous post.
>> >
>> And what a sad life you must have observing it! Where are you from and
>what do
>> you support? I bet your from Detroit and drive a Toyota from the nerve it
>> sounds like I hit.
>
Finally something we agree on.....you only worship yourself. When did a warm
fuzzy feeling become worship? LOL sounds like I got the Toyota part right!
jojoboy
>
>
>
>jojoboy wrote:
>> In article <b9o2a5$8u2$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>,
la...@radiowork.freeserve.co.uk
>> says...
>>
>>>
>>>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:K2Fva.122617$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>>>
>>>>In article <BAE4400F.407C8%massive...@cox.net>, massive...@cox.net
>>>
>>>
>>>>Like I said in my previous post "its an American company that gets the
>>>>profits". They sub contract the making of the console but the profits come
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>Microsoft and also microsoft employees ten times more Americans than Sony
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>Nintendo put together. Microsoft also keeps it real with huge donations to
>>>
>>>US
>>>
>>>>college/business schools. Most teenagers just dont realize how many
>>>
>>>different
>>>
>>>>ways a US based company contributes to the local and national economy.
>>>
>>>Someday
>>>
>>>>you will hopefully understand.
>>>>
>>>
>> Yeah right! They make the money off the software sweetheart. Have you ever
>> heard of the console business plan? You support a console company by buying
>> their console and then buying the software that goes with it. I didn't
think
>> that spelling it out was needed.
>
2003.
jojoboy
says...
Phil Da Lick!
warm
> >fuzzy feeling become worship? LOL sounds like I got the Toyota part
right!
> >
> ....or is it Honda...or Nissan. Am I getting warmer. Oh no its a Kia!
what the hell are you drivelling on about?
Scott H
"<slap>kicksy" <g...@gah.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Scott H wrote:
> > "Maniac" <man...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:gfcubvgoqbfdecuvi...@4ax.com...
> >
> >>On Mon, 12 May 2003 04:32:00 GMT, "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Sorry, I was replying to Phil, he was the one who snipped your post.
> >>>
> >>
> >>oh.. hehe. my bad then :)
> >
> >
> > Heh, but since he didn't seem to want to know, I'd say that 99'
through
> > 2000 were more exciting gaming days than today, on all systems, and that
96'
> > was as well, what with the full force of the 3D evolution going on, but
I'd
> > say that nothing compares to 91'-93' in terms of the industry seriously
> > putting out tons of quality content. The last year or so has presented
very
> > little in the way of things that are seriously new and progressive, in
my
> > opinion.
>
> Do thing have to be brand new, and innovative to be good? No. A lot of
> games that are brand new and innovative suck more than a french hooker.
>
I said new and progressive. Meaning that it's new, and it adds
something that will be considered a necessary feature in all future games in
that series. Like how Mario 64 still gets copied in 3D platformers, or how
advanced AI and physics are still progressively getting better in racing
sims. I would also say that there were higher numbers of "good" titles
being released during the time periods I mentioned as well.
Solid Knight
population are retards? They should all wear helmets or something. Okay,
perhaps I went a little overboard. However, I'd just like to point out that
a lot of people I run into live under rocks. I got moved to the South...
---
jojoboy
says...
>
I guess that is true. Hell I live under a rock of sorts.
jojoboy
phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
>
>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:0PUva.129430$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> In article <jGUva.129426$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net>, jo...@cox.net
>> >Finally something we agree on.....you only worship yourself. When did a
>warm
>> >fuzzy feeling become worship? LOL sounds like I got the Toyota part
>right!
>> >
>> ....or is it Honda...or Nissan. Am I getting warmer. Oh no its a Kia!
>
I drivel,drivel,drivel..........
Dimitri Dewever
jojoboy
Robert P Holley
What exactly is wrong with owning a Toyota or a Honda?
jojoboy
>
>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:0PUva.129430$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> In article <jGUva.129426$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net>, jo...@cox.net
>> says...
>> >
>> >In article <OFTva.18334$9C6.9...@wards.force9.net>,
>> >phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:ZqTva.129147$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> >>> In article <0SRva.21800$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net>,
>> >>> >> Please dont feel sorry for me. I am happy and proud to support an
>> >>American
>> >>> >> company like I said in my previous post.
>> >>> >
>> >>> And what a sad life you must have observing it! Where are you from and
>> >>what do
>> >>> you support? I bet your from Detroit and drive a Toyota from the nerve
>it
>> >>> sounds like I hit.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Finally something we agree on.....you only worship yourself. When did a
>warm
>> >fuzzy feeling become worship? LOL sounds like I got the Toyota part
>right!
>> >
>> ....or is it Honda...or Nissan. Am I getting warmer. Oh no its a Kia!
>
You can buy what turns your screws. I was just saying that buying American
gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Then a bunch of true patriots jumped me for
saying that. What kind of country do we live in where you get jumped for
supporting products from your own country? Like I said in my previous post
huge corporations pump huge amounts of money into their local and national
economy. Sure Sony and Honda pump money into the US economy but not like a US
based company does.
jojoboy
>news:uHvva.119081$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> In article <TAeva.18645$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net>,
>> >> Its where the money ends up that counts and with MS it comes right back
>to
>> >the
>> >> good old USA baby!!!!
>> >
>> I own all the consoles jackass but the Xbox gives me a little fuzzy
>feeling
>> because its an American company that gets the profits and I am an
>American.
>
>
Things like the following influence my buying habits....
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2993,86737,00.html
>
>> Nothing wrong with having pride in products that come from your homeland.
>> Having pride in your nations products happens in all other countries in
>the
>> world and not enough here in the USA.
>
>Try living this side of the pond and then moan about not being able to have
>pride in your country. The only people allowed to have any kind of pride
>about life in the UK are all the ethnic minorities and asylum seekers. Any
>white Englishman who displays the slightest bit of national pride is branded
>a "racist". Pathetic.
>
>
jojoboy
>news:0PUva.129430$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> In article <jGUva.129426$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net>, jo...@cox.net
>> >Finally something we agree on.....you only worship yourself. When did a
>warm
>> >fuzzy feeling become worship? LOL sounds like I got the Toyota part
>right!
>> >
>> ....or is it Honda...or Nissan. Am I getting warmer. Oh no its a Kia!
>
Here is some more drivel for you to read Phil.
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86737,00.html
Robert P Holley
I consider myself patriotic and conservative and I'm sure there are people
on here that see me like that as well, but I've never gotten into that whole
"Buy American" thing. Being a financial conservative I believe in a free
market and nothing says 'free market' more than me buying whatever vehicle I
deem to be the best value. American car manufactures won't improve if they
are coddled to because we feel we all have to 'Buy American', no matter what
the unions try to say.
jojoboy
Please read the article I have highlighted in the above post from Fox news for
the results of folks speaking and acting like yourself. Its my opinion that
Americans should strive to support an American company when possible. Maybe I
am wrong but this is my opinion. It is also my opinion that a person who wants
to support an American company should not be trashed for his views. Its just
like the war that is going on between Boeing and Airbus.....Airbus is
undercutting Boeing prices because they are subsidized by the European Union.
Any airline executive for the US airlines should be shot for doing business
with this company. This country is going to a service based economy and all
the good jobs are going away. We are headed for another depression with nobody
making the money to support a service based economy.
massivegrooves
holl...@delanet.com wrote on 5/13/03 11:05 AM:
True...
Also MS really doesn't give a rats ass about America, or its people.
If they did REALLY care they would manufacture things like the XBOX here and
employ Americans to do the work. Instead it is done outside the states.
All MS cares about is $$ (like most any other large company)...all that
other load of BS he spewed is ridiculous, any donations or other stuff he
mentioned previously are all to benefit MS (tax write-offs, and PR) not
because they really care so much. I buy the best product, or the one that
suits my needs the best...buying something just because it is manufactured
somewhere in particular is ridiculous.
Brian
Where are you getting this info from? (link?)
jojoboy
says...
United Way ....whatever. Not to mention the fact that MS employees a hell of
alot more Americans.
jojoboy
link to on Foxnews.com?
Phil Da Lick!
> huge corporations pump huge amounts of money into their local and national
and monopolies syphon huge amounts of money from Jon Q Public. And I am not
referring only to M$ here, there are many more greedy evil corporations in
the world, some even closer to home than them from my POV. worshipping said
companies is ridiculous. patriotism is another thing entirely, and something
I happen to support. they are two different things.
Phil Da Lick!
"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Doug Jacobs
> It benefits shareholders and it benefits america. Buying American made
> keeps someone in america employed. No different for the XBOX division of
> Microsoft. They hire and emoloyee people, and thus add to the economy.
Do you honestly think that Xbox is actually made in the USA? Designed,
yes. Manufactured, partially. Assembled, no.
Doug Jacobs
> You can buy what turns your screws. I was just saying that buying American
> gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Then a bunch of true patriots jumped me for
> saying that. What kind of country do we live in where you get jumped for
> supporting products from your own country? Like I said in my previous post
> huge corporations pump huge amounts of money into their local and national
> economy. Sure Sony and Honda pump money into the US economy but not like a US
> based company does.
>>What exactly is wrong with owning a Toyota or a Honda?
(ps. stop top posting.)
My Toyota was manufactured and assembled in the US. Odd how most people
feel that "Buying American" is as simple as buying a Ford, when in reality,
many Fords are actually assembled down in Mexico.
Nike may be an American company, but do you think those shoes, hats, etc.
were actually manufactured by American workers??
This whole stupid "Buy American" thing is nothing but a ploy to get the
clueless bluecollar workers to continue supporting "American" companies who
use cheap foreign labor. Now, I don't know about you, but I'd think it'd
be better to support the company that gives more Americans jobs, and doesn't
just happen to reside within our borders - but that's just my wacky thinking.
And if you're curious, I did grow up in Detroit (yes, actually within the
city limits!) and my dad worked for Ford.
Doug Jacobs
> Things like the following influence my buying habits....
> www.foxnews.com/story/0,2993,86737,00.html
Try a URL that works, next time, ok? You keep referencing this article,
but all we see is "NOT FOUND."
Of course, knowing the site in question, I can guess it's some rant by
someone masquarading as a "journalist" that's masquarading as "news" about
how Americans should buy stuff from American companies.
Since 9/11, Fox News has lost any respectability and has become nothing
but a dangerously patriotic propaganda spin-machine.
Junkyard Willie
"Doug Jacobs" <dja...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:vc34c5i...@corp.supernews.com...
That's why I love my '70 Chevelle- no may that motherfucker was made in
Mexico! (Although a lot of the new big-block Chevy crate motors are being
made in Mexico nowadays).
On a side note, it was kind of funny when in light of the terror attacks how
many people went and put American Flag stickers on their Kias, Hyundais, and
BMWs...
Doug Jacobs
> Like I said in my previous post "its an American company that gets the
> profits". They sub contract the making of the console but the profits come to
> Microsoft and also microsoft employees ten times more Americans than Sony and
> Nintendo put together. Microsoft also keeps it real with huge donations to US
> college/business schools. Most teenagers just dont realize how many different
> ways a US based company contributes to the local and national economy. Someday
> you will hopefully understand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Microsoft is located in the US.
But they're not using US labor to build Xbox - to me, that's more important.
The US steel industry was devastated largely due to cheaper sources from
foreign companies. When the US automakers switched suppliers, they made
more money, and screwed over 1000s of Americans who lost their jobs. Yay,
USA!
During my college years, at the height of the stupid anti-Japanese sentiment
in the 90s, you could buy 3 swings of a sledge hammer against a Honda to
show your "support" for US workers. Ironically, said Honda was manufactured
in Kansas, whereas Ford and others were busily moving their assembly plants
south of the border... Go American companies, go! Screw the worker, while
telling him to "Buy American".
Doug Jacobs
> heard of the console business plan? You support a console company by buying
> their console and then buying the software that goes with it. I didn't think
> that spelling it out was needed.
That may be true, but last I heard, Microsoft was still losing money hand
over fist, mainly because the games just aren't selling very well.
jojoboy
phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
>
>"jojoboy" <jo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:Yv6wa.137713$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net...
>> huge corporations pump huge amounts of money into their local and national
>
long time ago where is it that I said I worship MS? A warm fuzzy fealing is
not worshipping. Your right about corporations sucking money from Jon Q
Public....I am already on my fourth PS2. Patriotism or not I will continue to
go out of my way to support American companies and you can take that to the
bank sweetheart.
jojoboy
says...
>
>In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Philip B Kirschner
<phi...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> It benefits shareholders and it benefits america. Buying American made
>> keeps someone in america employed. No different for the XBOX division of
>> Microsoft. They hire and emoloyee people, and thus add to the economy.
>
Everybody knows that the Xbox is assembled overseas. This does not mean that
Microsoft does not employee a crap load of people here in the US in the Xbox
division. Just check the annual report for numbers.
jojoboy
says...
>
>In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 jojoboy <jo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Things like the following influence my buying habits....
>
>> www.foxnews.com/story/0,2993,86737,00.html
>
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86737,00.html
read em and weap!!!!
jojoboy
says...
>
>In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 jojoboy <jo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Like I said in my previous post "its an American company that gets the
>> profits". They sub contract the making of the console but the profits come
to
>> Microsoft and also microsoft employees ten times more Americans than Sony
and
>> Nintendo put together. Microsoft also keeps it real with huge donations to
US
>> college/business schools. Most teenagers just dont realize how many
different
>> ways a US based company contributes to the local and national economy.
Someday
>> you will hopefully understand.
>
>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Microsoft is located in the US.
>
General Motors uses US Steel.
jojoboy
phil_t...@NOSPAMPLEASE.hotmail.com says...
>
Are you using the numerical 0 key instead of the letter o key?
jojoboy
says...
>
>In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 jojoboy <jo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> You can buy what turns your screws. I was just saying that buying American
>> gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Then a bunch of true patriots jumped me for
>> saying that. What kind of country do we live in where you get jumped for
>> supporting products from your own country? Like I said in my previous post
>> huge corporations pump huge amounts of money into their local and national
>> economy. Sure Sony and Honda pump money into the US economy but not like a
US
>> based company does.
>
>>>What exactly is wrong with owning a Toyota or a Honda?
>
>(ps. stop top posting.)
>
Some Fords are built in Mexico but most are not. Just like some Toyota's are
made here but most are not. What matters is where the profits go. Please dont
get so defensive. I used to feel the same way you do when I was driving my
Honda. Then I saw the light and have never looked back.
jojoboy
says...
LOL! The same thing happened in the airline industry with many US airlines
sticking US Flag stickers next to the front door/cockpits of their Boeings and
Airbus aircraft. Sad thing is that the Airbus is a mostly French product.
Several US airlines took off the stickers when it was brought to their
attention by workers and the flying public. Like they say "if it aint Boeing I
aint going".
jojoboy
>
>> You can buy what turns your screws. I was just saying that buying American
>> gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Then a bunch of true patriots jumped me for
>> saying that. What kind of country do we live in where you get jumped for
>> supporting products from your own country? Like I said in my previous post
>> huge corporations pump huge amounts of money into their local and national
>> economy. Sure Sony and Honda pump money into the US economy but not like a
US
>> based company does.
>
>>>What exactly is wrong with owning a Toyota or a Honda?
>
>(ps. stop top posting.)
>
Do you want to know why it is still considered an import? Because over 85% of
its content is made overseas. It is just assembled here. The only foreign car
maker who is close or who has made it to be considered domestic is the Honda
Accord. But the profits continue to go right back to Japan.
Junkyard Willie
My pref for domestic cars (specifically V8 and/or Hemi) stems from the old
adage "there's no replacement for displacement." Too bad I ain't got an
extra 15 grand lying around or I'd pick up one of the new 528 c.i.d. Hemi
crate motors from Mopar and worry about getting a car for it later. As it
is, I have to settle for the massaged 355 aluminum head Chevy- still more
than adequate for the "import tuner" kiddies who saw "Fast & Furious" one
too many times and got their parents to let them put a wing and a cheap Pep
Boys muffler on their Civic for their birthday...
Junkyard Willie
"Dangerously patriotic?" How is patriotism "dangerous?" Annoying to
liberals maybe, but "dangerous?"
How should we deal with this "danger?" Maybe their free speech needs to be
controlled and/or, if it's so "dangerous."
Junkyard Willie
"Junkyard Willie" <junkyardNO...@tekken.cc> wrote in message
news:9hkwa.20428$Dr3.8671@fed1read02...
Fixed a typo. The dangerously patriotic propaganda from Fox News
brainwashed me into making a mistake.
Damn vast right-wing conspiracy...
Nick Vargish
> Who cares if they care! What matters is where the money is going. Grants,
> United Way ....whatever. Not to mention the fact that MS employees a hell of
> alot more Americans.
Actually, most of the charity money is going out of the USA. The
cash is going to high-profile donations in India, and so forth.
Robert X Cringely in a recent column talks about asking the Gates
Foundation for a measley US $60,000 for SIDS research, but they blew
him off, largely because they didn't think preventing babies dying in
the US was worth the money.
The article should be here, but for some reason it is missing from the
PBS server (conspiracy theorists, start your engines):
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030425.html
Nick
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jojoboy
jojoboy
>
>> Things like the following influence my buying habits....
>
>> www.foxnews.com/story/0,2993,86737,00.html
>
>Try a URL that works, next time, ok? You keep referencing this article,
>but all we see is "NOT FOUND."
>
Being a liberal myself I would have to agree with you on Fox News but I always
use them so that right wing conservative cant say that I have put the liberal
spin on the news.
Robert P Holley
news:BAE6AC6A.40C1C%massive...@cox.net...
> in article b9r1ki$li47a$1...@ID-121560.news.dfncis.de, Robert P Holley at
> holl...@delanet.com wrote on 5/13/03 11:05 AM:
>
> >> In article <b9qqui$ls0fv$1...@ID-121560.news.dfncis.de>,
holl...@delanet.com
> >>>> In article <jGUva.129426$vU3....@news1.central.cox.net>,
jo...@cox.net
> >>>>>>> In article <0SRva.21800$xd5.9...@stones.force9.net>,
> >>>>>>>>> Please dont feel sorry for me. I am happy and proud to support
> > an
> >>>>>> American
> >>>>>>>>> company like I said in my previous post.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And what a sad life you must have observing it! Where are you from
> > and
> >>>>>> what do
> >>>>>>> you support? I bet your from Detroit and drive a Toyota from the
> > nerve
> >>> it
> >>>>>>> sounds like I hit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
did
> > a
> >>> warm
> >>>>> fuzzy feeling become worship? LOL sounds like I got the Toyota part
> >>> right!
> >>>>>
> >>>> ....or is it Honda...or Nissan. Am I getting warmer. Oh no its a Kia!
> >>>
> >>
American
> >> gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Then a bunch of true patriots jumped me
for
> >> saying that. What kind of country do we live in where you get jumped
for
> >> supporting products from your own country? Like I said in my previous
post
> >> huge corporations pump huge amounts of money into their local and
national
> >> economy. Sure Sony and Honda pump money into the US economy but not
like a
> > US
> >> based company does.
> >
people
> > on here that see me like that as well, but I've never gotten into that
whole
> > "Buy American" thing. Being a financial conservative I believe in a
free
> > market and nothing says 'free market' more than me buying whatever
vehicle I
> > deem to be the best value. American car manufactures won't improve if
they
> > are coddled to because we feel we all have to 'Buy American', no matter
what
> > the unions try to say.
>
>
>
> Also MS really doesn't give a rats ass about America, or its people.
> If they did REALLY care they would manufacture things like the XBOX here
and
> employ Americans to do the work. Instead it is done outside the states.
> All MS cares about is $$ (like most any other large company)...all that
> other load of BS he spewed is ridiculous, any donations or other stuff he
> mentioned previously are all to benefit MS (tax write-offs, and PR) not
> because they really care so much. I buy the best product, or the one that
> suits my needs the best...buying something just because it is manufactured
> somewhere in particular is ridiculous.
In fairness ALL companies, not most, care about $$....and MS is no
different. With that said the main reason things are manufactured here is
the high cost of labor. Because we have such a thing called minimum wage,
that in itself ends up hurting jobs and those tasks are shipped elsewhere.
I'd rather see someone buy an MS product (or whichever product) because they
feel it's the best value, not because they are owned by an American.
Robert P Holley
news:yyyn0hp...@adams.patriot.net...
> jo...@cox.net (jojoboy) writes:
>
> > Who cares if they care! What matters is where the money is going.
Grants,
> > United Way ....whatever. Not to mention the fact that MS employees a
hell of
> > alot more Americans.
>
> Actually, most of the charity money is going out of the USA. The
> cash is going to high-profile donations in India, and so forth.
>
> Robert X Cringely in a recent column talks about asking the Gates
> Foundation for a measley US $60,000 for SIDS research, but they blew
> him off, largely because they didn't think preventing babies dying in
> the US was worth the money.
>
> The article should be here, but for some reason it is missing from the
> PBS server (conspiracy theorists, start your engines):
>
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030425.html
How much exactly did you donate to SIDS research last year?
Robert P Holley
I plan too.
Robert P Holley
What "light" did you see exactly? That you're willing to support an
inferior product in the name of patriotism?
Robert P Holley
My preference for Honda's and Toyota's stem from the old adage "best value
for the money". :-) Not only are they more dependable in my experience,
they carry better re-sale value. With that said, I do own a Chrysler
Concorde (along with our RAV4) and am very happy with it.
Robert P Holley
What news services/programs do you respect?
Robert P Holley
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 jojoboy <jo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Like I said in my previous post "its an American company that gets the
> > profits". They sub contract the making of the console but the profits
come to
> > Microsoft and also microsoft employees ten times more Americans than
Sony and
> > Nintendo put together. Microsoft also keeps it real with huge donations
to US
> > college/business schools. Most teenagers just dont realize how many
different
> > ways a US based company contributes to the local and national economy.
Someday
> > you will hopefully understand.
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, Microsoft is located in the US.
>
> But they're not using US labor to build Xbox - to me, that's more
important.
Perhaps if we eliminated the minimum wage then we (US) wouldn't lose those
jobs to overseas workers.
Robert P Holley
Doesn't the Xbox have the highest game/system ratio?
Nick Vargish
> How much exactly did you donate to SIDS research last year?
And that's relevant to the discussion how? Your comment is as lame
as the "Let's see you write a videogame" attack when someone
criticizes their favorite game.
mariob
there are plenty of morons up north as well
Solid Knight wrote:
> Most people are in the dark. Don't you understand that the majority of the
> population are retards? They should all wear helmets or something. Okay,
> perhaps I went a little overboard. However, I'd just like to point out that
> a lot of people I run into live under rocks. I got moved to the South...
>
> ---
>
>>Uh thats what I was saying. Everybody should know these things and thats
>
> why
>
>>they should go without saying hence my comments. But some idiot always has
>
> to
>
>>come in and state the obvious like everybody else is in the dark.
>
>
>
jojoboy
says...
Ya gotta love it. Your the one supporting an inferior product. My second car
is also a sister car to the Concorde and it has been trouble free since 1994.
I own a Xbox and it is better than any other console I own. I own a Chrysler
and GM and they have been better than any Honda or Nissan I have ever owned.
Its all opinion and like I said your not going to change my mind. Funny thing
is that even if it was an inferior product which it is not I would still buy
the American product. I would buy a Yugo before a Toyota if it was American
made. When I would pull up to the light in my smoking piece of crap Yugo I
would still get a smirk on my face and a warm fuzzy feeling sweetheart.
jojoboy
>
nuttin wrong wit a little dueling banjoes!