Sony's hype machine tanks out!
Strychnine
wrong...
Strychnine
http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=4307
The spring issue of the Electronics Design Chain magazine has a cover story
that will give a terrible headache to PS2 fanboys and a happy Easter to the
Xbox Hardware Team. Ken Kutaragi, president and CEO of Sony Computer
Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) has confirmed to the magazine that "The Cell" chip
will not be the CPU powering the Playstation3, reportedly slated for release
in 2005, because the chip won't be ready until as late as 2007.
In 2001, Sony allied with IBM and Toshiba to create a cell-computing chip.
These chips enable a distributed style of computing (known as cell
computing) that performs computing tasks in much the same way a cell phone
network routes calls from base station to base station.
The three companies will spend $400 million over five years to develop the
new CPU, using IBM's silicon-on-insulator process with IBM leading a design
team of 400 engineers.
The Cell chip (rumored to be in the range of teraflops, roughly 100 times
more powerful than today's Pentium 4 chips) could have given the PlayStation
3 1,000 times the processing power of the PS2. This processing power was
supposed to be used to build a multi purpose box capable of handle all sorts
of simultaneous processing tasks; a home entertainment hub that will let you
play games, surf the Internet, and use the device as a TiVo, all at the same
time.
Now that the PS3 will not use the Cell chip, the CPU powering the PS2
successor will not be ahead of the Moore's law, allowing the Xbox 2 to match
the PS3 procesing power just by using standard technology available in 2005.
Scott H
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> A Sony official said "Moore's Law is too slow for us" I guess he was
> wrong...
> Strychnine
Ah, yeah, and the PS2 sure met up with the hype didn't it? History
disproves Sony's claims far better than news releases.
Rick Ramey, Celestial Engineer
Waitasec... I thought only Microsoft make bogus claims about future
hardware.
Phil Da Lick!
you have a shitload in a network sharing tasks. even using the fastest
broadband technology available there wouldnt be enough bandwidth available
to pump texttues and game environment information over the internet to get
some other guy's console to do some of the work of your console. plus this
would only even itself out if people left their consoles on when they were
not using them. in the history of crap ideas this ranks right up there.
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Skye
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joe
this.
> So this is what Xbox fanboys do since there's no games.
No, this is stuff a regular person does. Visit websites, read news etc...
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Skye
Xbox 2 will defeat PS3 instead of focusing on the truth, which is Sony is
kicking the crap out of the Xbox and GC combined. Not bad for an "inferior"
system.
Skye
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Jason Costa
> wrong...
> Strychnine
>
I don't know why you even bothered posting this, it doesn't matter
if the XBOX 2 is more powerful or equally as powerful. The XBOX is
more powerful than the PS2 RIGHT NOW, and look at what's happening.
No one's abandoning the PS2 to buy an XBOX (at least no one in their
right mind). There aren't any games to play on that powerful
hardware. And with name recognition, Sony's PS3 success is insured.
The XBOX is a laughingstock right now, and coming out with better
hardware and still not having games to play on it won't change things.
Philip B Kirschner
Please, enough with the run-on sentences. Your also not capitalizing the
beginning of new sentences. Makes for hard reading. I agree with you that
the cell chip is a load of crap, but please spend some more time thinking
out what you write. No, I am not the grammar police! I am just asking that
you make it easier to read what you have written.
Phil
AKA/Questor on XBOX LIVE
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Philip B Kirschner
might have been the T-rex of the generation, but it's becoming extinct. I
love my digital 5.1 surround sound and love my HDTV games. It's true, cell
is all hype.
If you don't like the XBOX, get the hell out of alt.games.video.Xbox and
stick to the SONY groups. Otherwise your trolling our newsgroup.
Phil
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Philip B Kirschner
Get a clue, there over 400 games out for the XBOX and the libary grows
monthly. Please wake up and smell the coffee.
Phil
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Mattinglyfan
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>
> "Strychnine" <spAmY0...@SpaMiZCraaP.com> wrote in message
> news:_Mgoa.2835$ud4.1...@feed2.centurytel.net...
> > A Sony official said "Moore's Law is too slow for us" I guess he
was
> > wrong...
> > Strychnine
>
>
> Ah, yeah, and the PS2 sure met up with the hype didn't it? History
> disproves Sony's claims far better than news releases.
What side do sales support? What hype are you talking about?
Mattinglyfan
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Whatever! I can't wait to play Halo2 and ......Halo on my graphically
superior and backwards compatible Xbox2. By the time these next gen systems
are released, sony developers will stop publishing all of those good games
for sony. Then you PS2 fanboys can't brag about all your superior games and
your exponentially larger user base. And you still won't have HALO and
.......Halo2 (add to the list if you can think of any other games worth
mentioning).
Phil Da Lick!
news:SFjoa.47206> Please, enough with the run-on sentences. Your also
not capitalizing the
> beginning of new sentences. Makes for hard reading. I agree with you that
> the cell chip is a load of crap, but please spend some more time thinking
> out what you write. No, I am not the grammar police! I am just asking that
> you make it easier to read what you have written.
GRAMMAR POLICE!
GRAMMAR POLICE!
Heh.
Sorry.
Yes the cell idea is a load of horseshit. Just like some of the other
internet ideas such as your fridge ordering food for you, and intelligent
video recorders that anticipate your viewing habits.
In an ideal world these would be useful devices but in the real world, you
cant put enough bandwidth on the net for distributed video gaming and people
wouldnt leave their consoles on anyway, peoples eating habits change from
week to week, and television stations often run late (assuming your recorder
knew when programs were on to start with).
Phil.
Connor
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>
> "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Strychnine" <spAmY0...@SpaMiZCraaP.com> wrote in message
> > news:_Mgoa.2835$ud4.1...@feed2.centurytel.net...
> > > A Sony official said "Moore's Law is too slow for us" I guess he
> was
> > > wrong...
> > > Strychnine
> >
> >
> > Ah, yeah, and the PS2 sure met up with the hype didn't it? History
> > disproves Sony's claims far better than news releases.
>
> What side do sales support? What hype are you talking about?
The infamous Kutaragi statement that you can "jack into the Matrix" with
PS2. Or George Lucas claiming the PS2 could do real-time CG as good as his
films. What a crock those two statements turned out to be.
Scott H
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>
> > > Ah, yeah, and the PS2 sure met up with the hype didn't it? History
> > > disproves Sony's claims far better than news releases.
> >
> > What side do sales support? What hype are you talking about?
>
> The infamous Kutaragi statement that you can "jack into the Matrix" with
> PS2. Or George Lucas claiming the PS2 could do real-time CG as good as his
> films. What a crock those two statements turned out to be.
Or another Kuturagi statement claiming it'd have Toy Story 2 Quality
graphics, or claiming that FFVIII's movie scenes were done on a PS2, and the
bogus graphic demos showing the RR chick walking, or the PR department's
claims that the PS2 didn't need texture memory because it could render
individual grains in a door, or that the Sony web page still claims that
that system's polygon throughput is still 66-75 million per second. Just
like with the PS2, I'll have to wait a year after the PS3's release to get a
good idea of what to expect from their new system, because absolutely
everything that comes out of Sony about the product is going to be a lie.
THRILLHA
> It is an inferior system, and should go by the way of the dinosaur. Sony
> might have been the T-rex of the generation, but it's becoming extinct. I
> love my digital 5.1 surround sound and love my HDTV games. It's true, cell
> is all hype.
>
> If you don't like the XBOX, get the hell out of alt.games.video.Xbox and
> stick to the SONY groups. Otherwise your trolling our newsgroup.
This coming from the guy who trolls the Gamecube group.
THRILLHA
> Skye,
>
> Get a clue, there over 400 games out for the XBOX and the libary grows
> monthly. Please wake up and smell the coffee.
Phil, Please wake up and smell the coffee. There is not over 400 games for
the Xbox. Halo did not sell nine million copies. The PS2 is not dead.
Zackman
> I don't know why you even bothered posting this, it doesn't matter
> if the XBOX 2 is more powerful or equally as powerful. The XBOX is
> more powerful than the PS2 RIGHT NOW, and look at what's happening.
> No one's abandoning the PS2 to buy an XBOX (at least no one in their
> right mind).
Damn, up until this point you were making valid points.
> There aren't any games to play on that powerful
> hardware. And with name recognition, Sony's PS3 success is insured.
> The XBOX is a laughingstock right now, and coming out with better
> hardware and still not having games to play on it won't change things.
Then came the PS2 fanboyism, and it all went down the drain. That "no
games" cracks me up every time.
Cell or no Cell, the only real hope the Xbox has of getting neck and
neck with Sony in the next generation is if they release the Xbox2
earlier than the PS3 AND it's significantly more powerful and
feature-rich than the PS3 AND it has some top tier exclusive games both
at launch and throughout the first couple of years. If MS was smart,
they'd back a dumptruck full of money up to Rockstar's door and do what
Sony did: buy exclusive rights to the GTA franchise, beginning in 2005.
If the Xbox2 launched ahead of the PS3 with Halo 3, an exclusive GTA
game and some other humdingers, it might actually generate enough steam
not to get left in the dust.
If Microsoft drops the ball on any one of these, the next generation
will be dominated by PS3 as well, though the gap between it and the
Xbox2 likely won't be as wide.
-Z-
Phil Da Lick!
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> Cell or no Cell, the only real hope the Xbox has of getting neck and
> neck with Sony in the next generation is if they release the Xbox2
> earlier than the PS3 AND it's significantly more powerful and
> feature-rich than the PS3 AND it has some top tier exclusive games both
> at launch and throughout the first couple of years. If MS was smart,
> they'd back a dumptruck full of money up to Rockstar's door and do what
> Sony did: buy exclusive rights to the GTA franchise, beginning in 2005.
> If the Xbox2 launched ahead of the PS3 with Halo 3, an exclusive GTA
> game and some other humdingers, it might actually generate enough steam
> not to get left in the dust.
Heh you bang on about fanboyism and then go on to a pathetic fanboy rant.
The truth is Playstation is too strong. The brand name is everything in our
society and PS is kind in the videogame world. Nintendo and MS have no
chance of taking #1 spot next time.
> If Microsoft drops the ball on any one of these, the next generation
> will be dominated by PS3 as well, though the gap between it and the
> Xbox2 likely won't be as wide.
Oh it will. PS3 will dominate. Even though it will be technologically
inferior.
Phil.
redsniper7000
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>
> Get a clue, there over 400 games out for the XBOX and the libary grows
> monthly. Please wake up and smell the coffee.
Every time I click on one of your posts, I expect stupidity. I have yet to
be let down.
Impudent1
hype machine. Do we really need to revisit all those psychotic
delusional posts from two years ago about how the XLaxBox was going to
crush the Playstation 2? What is it about XLaxBox fangirls anyway,
always claiming what WILL happen, rather than what IS happening? We
all know the XLaxBox fangirls are huge fans of Miss Cleo and supported
her with many of their moms' and dads' dollars. Funny thing, with all
her forecasting ability, Miss Cleo never saw herself being indicted
and convicted of fraud. The XLaxBox fangirls have been about as
precognitive as Miss Cleo and just as successful. Nothing to even yawn
about here with this new round of speculative wishful hoping.
Nick Soapdish Jr
>From: l33t...@usa.com (Impudent1)
>Date: 4/19/2003 8:15 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <d3f7c3ee.0304...@posting.google.com>
1.2 out of 10. Keeping barking, little doggie......maybe your score will crack
4 someday.
Jim Gordon
"I've got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell!"
-Christopher Walken
"Rule 10- Tuning a mellotron doesn't."
-Robert Fripp
Dave Oldridge
wrote:
>Cell or no Cell, the only real hope the Xbox has of getting neck and
>neck with Sony in the next generation is if they release the Xbox2
>earlier than the PS3 AND it's significantly more powerful and
>feature-rich than the PS3 AND it has some top tier exclusive games both
>at launch and throughout the first couple of years. If MS was smart,
>they'd back a dumptruck full of money up to Rockstar's door and do what
>Sony did: buy exclusive rights to the GTA franchise, beginning in 2005.
>If the Xbox2 launched ahead of the PS3 with Halo 3, an exclusive GTA
>game and some other humdingers, it might actually generate enough steam
>not to get left in the dust.
Microsoft faced an uphill battle originally, since they were the new
face in console hardware, and since neither of their competitors' egos exploded
like when the PSX came on the scene. The one thing that should help Microsoft
for the next generation though, IMHO, is marketting hype. The PS2 launched with
claims that it could produce the CGI in the Final Fantasy, Toy Story, and Star
Wars movies in realtime (unlike the equipment used to render the movies), and
process 75 million polygons per second. Because the hype was so thick and went
so deep, there was minimal backlash when those claims proved to be false.
Also, Rockstar may not be too deserving of that money when the time
comes, for all we know at the moment. Don't forget that the Tomb Raider series
once commanded the same level of respect. And who knows what the next big game
will be; perhaps some company is currently working on a title that'll knock GTA
off of its perch.
Skye
PS2 also happens to have more AAA games.
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then the several year old PS2.
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Andrew Ryan Chang
>Yes the cell idea is a load of horseshit. Just like some of the other
>internet ideas such as your fridge ordering food for you, and intelligent
>video recorders that anticipate your viewing habits.
Tivo fans -- I'm not one, mostly cause they don't offer service in
Canada -- absolutely /rave/ about their systems' abilities to track
network's games of musical timeslots and offer suggested viewing based on
known viewing patterns. Just saying.
--
ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR. -Patrick J. LoPresti
Junkyard Willie
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> Phil Da Lick! <phil_the_...@hotmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
> >Yes the cell idea is a load of horseshit. Just like some of the other
> >internet ideas such as your fridge ordering food for you, and intelligent
> >video recorders that anticipate your viewing habits.
>
> Tivo fans -- I'm not one, mostly cause they don't offer service in
> Canada -- absolutely /rave/ about their systems' abilities to track
> network's games of musical timeslots and offer suggested viewing based on
> known viewing patterns. Just saying.
I laughed at TiVo until I got one- now I kick myself for not getting one
sooner. It's the only way to watch TV- you only watch what you want, and
it's on at whatever time you want it to be on. Plus you'll never watch
another commercial again. There's tons of other features (especially since
mine's a Series 2 w/ Home Media Option) but the 2 main features (what you
want to see when you want to see it and no commercials) are more than enough
for me. The option to either pay a monthly fee or pay a one-time price for
lifetime service is a great idea too. ($12 per month, or $250 for lifetime
service- even if you move, since the service is keyed to your specifc
machine)
It seems like it isn't worth the money, but once you get one you'll wonder
why you didn't sooner. It's an even bigger improvement than digital movies
& music over tapes.
Jason Costa
> Then came the PS2 fanboyism, and it all went down the drain. That "no
> games" cracks me up every time.
You're right, you caught me on a technicality. Sure, I guess it
has a lot of games. I should have said that the XBOX doesn't have
many GOOD games. Halo, Splinter Cell, Mechassualt, Panzer Dragoon,
maybe something else, but I forget. And some of the better games can
be bought on the PS2 or Gamecube also since they're multi platform.
> If Microsoft drops the ball on any one of these, the next generation
> will be dominated by PS3 as well, though the gap between it and the
> Xbox2 likely won't be as wide.
>
It's going to be dominated by the PS3 no matter what Microsoft
does. No matter how much money they throw around, they can't make
people forget about the Playstation brand, and neither will developers
forget it.
Steven Hurdle
> I don't know why you even bothered posting this, it doesn't matter
> if the XBOX 2 is more powerful or equally as powerful. The XBOX is
> more powerful than the PS2 RIGHT NOW, and look at what's happening.
People are enjoying some really stellar games on their 'boxes? No, wait,
that can't be the fact you were referencing. Why are you in the Xbox
newsgroup again?
> No one's abandoning the PS2 to buy an XBOX (at least no one in their
> right mind). There aren't any games to play on that powerful
> hardware. And with name recognition, Sony's PS3 success is insured.
Much as how Nintendo's future success was guaranteed with the NES's
dominance? Oh wait...
Steven Hurdle
> Cell or no Cell, the only real hope the Xbox has of getting neck and
> neck with Sony in the next generation is if they release the Xbox2
> earlier than the PS3 AND it's significantly more powerful and
> feature-rich than the PS3 AND it has some top tier exclusive games both
> at launch and throughout the first couple of years.
I doubt the Xbox 2 will be significantly more powerful than the PS3,
though it might be more feature rich. It'll be interesting to see if Sony
adopts the hard drive strategy, for one.
> If MS was smart,
> they'd back a dumptruck full of money up to Rockstar's door and do what
> Sony did: buy exclusive rights to the GTA franchise, beginning in 2005.
There are many stories of this being discussed. One can only wonder if
these rumours are true, and in fact it seems likely that there isn't
certainty on how it's going to play out yet.
> If the Xbox2 launched ahead of the PS3 with Halo 3, an exclusive GTA
> game and some other humdingers, it might actually generate enough steam
> not to get left in the dust.
I doubt the Xbox 2 will be able to launch prior to the PS3 and have a
third Halo game as a launch title. Halo 2 isn't coming out until 2004,
after all, around 2.5 years after the first game, more if Halo 2's delayed
past spring. It originally seemed good, Halo 2 in late 2003 and Halo 3 in
late 2005 as an Xbox 2 launch title. Now it seems unlikely, unless the
console doesn't launch in 2005 that is.
Steven Hurdle
> Ken Kutaragi, president and CEO of Sony Computer
> Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) has confirmed to the magazine that "The Cell"
chip
> will not be the CPU powering the Playstation3, reportedly slated for
release
> in 2005, because the chip won't be ready until as late as 2007.
The final version of the chip was always due for late 2004/early 2005,
and I always thought that wasn't anywhere near enough time for use in the
PS3. Presuming a Japanese launch would come first, the Japanese launch
wouldn't be ready until late 2005 or early 2006, a North American launch in
late 2006 at the earliest (fully six years after the PS2). It wasn't adding
up.
brokk
> Why not continue to rope in the suckers with their cell
> technology claimes?
1. Sony's official line is no solid plans for Cell (in Ps3)
2. "Electronics Design Chain magazine" Although Sony refuses to talk
about its future plans for the chip, it does admit that the Cell chip
will not be the CPU in the Playstation3, reportedly slated for release in
2005.
Technically we still have the same story up to this point
3. Ken Kutaragi, president and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
(SCEI) has confirmed to the magazine that “The Cell” chip will not be the
CPU powering the Playstation3, reportedly slated for release in 2005,
because the chip won’t be ready until as late as 2007.
Well i guess the truth is too mundane for teamxbox so they "embellish" it
just a teenie weenie bit to make it sound better.
Sony has not said anything, it's teamxbox who are making up the "truth"
as the go along in an atempt to hurt sony. (well thats what they are
being paid for, so no news there)
Anyway in related news, guess teamxbox forgot to tell sony that "the jig
is up"
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2591208
TOKYO, April 19 (Reuters) - Consumer electronics giant Sony Corp 6758.T
and Toshiba Corp 6502.T , Japan's largest chipmaker, will join hands in
developing a new generation of semiconductors in a bid to take the lead
in the field, Japanese media reported on Saturday.
The new plant would mostly manufacture a new microprocessing unit now
being developed jointly by Toshiba, Sony's videogame unit, Sony Computer
Entertainment Inc (SCE) and IBM Corp IBM.N .
redsniper7000
> I rather play 10 good games on the XBOX, then get 20 shit game's on PS2.
But would you rather play 20 shitty games on Xbox than 10 good games on PS2?
THRILLHA
I fixed your post to show your projections easier.
> There is a proven track record of Bligmerk defining the label of
> hype machine. Do we really need to revisit all those psychotic
> delusional posts from two years ago about how the Xpox was going
> to be canceled or Halo would be out on the PC by now or SOE would
> sell millions of PS2s? What is it about old Bligfuck anyway,
> always claiming what WILL happen, rather than what IS happening? We
> all know that Shitsmirk is a huge fan of Miss Cleo and supported
> her with many of their moms' and dads' dollars. Funny thing, with all
> her forecasting ability, Miss Cleo never saw herself being indicted
> and convicted of fraud. Bliggy has been about as
Dancefloor Deluxe
Eiji Hayashi
If you count all European or Japanese versions of the same game as
different games, and if you count all import titles, then maybe 400
Eiji Hayashi
> I rather play 10 good games on the XBOX, then get 20 shit game's on PS2.
Hmm.. didn't you originally post "there are 400 games on the XBOX"? So
you were touting QUANTITY as the strength of the XBOX. But now you're
implying there are more QUALITY games on the XBOX (10 good games vs 20
shit games). I'm confused. Which are you arguing in this thread? or
are you saying both?
Eiji Hayashi
> Cell or no Cell, the only real hope the Xbox has of getting neck and
> neck with Sony in the next generation is if they release the Xbox2
> earlier than the PS3 AND it's significantly more powerful and
> feature-rich than the PS3 AND it has some top tier exclusive games both
Well its been a while since we talked Zackman, hows it hanging. I
dunno if releasing it earlier (eg: Saturn), more powerful and
feature-rich is going to be that big of a factor, as the original
poster said, the XBOX is already more powerful and feature-rich than
the PS2.
> at launch and throughout the first couple of years. If MS was smart,
> they'd back a dumptruck full of money up to Rockstar's door and do what
> Sony did: buy exclusive rights to the GTA franchise, beginning in 2005.
> If the Xbox2 launched ahead of the PS3 with Halo 3, an exclusive GTA
> game and some other humdingers, it might actually generate enough steam
> not to get left in the dust.
Now you've hit the nail on the head. It all comes down to 3rd party
support. The only way MS will succeed with future XBOX is they need to
wrestle more 3rd party support from Sony, PRIMARILY Japanese 3rd party
support. Pretty much most NA software makers are content with putting
out multi-platform titles, except for a few rare exceptions like
Rockstar who deserves special treatment considering their flagship
title is a money printing press. Except most Japanese companies still
stubbornly support single consoles. MS need to, at the very least,
convince them to put out their titles to multi-consoles (giving XBOX
exclusivity is a bit too much of stretch for most big name Japanese
companies).
> If Microsoft drops the ball on any one of these, the next generation
> will be dominated by PS3 as well, though the gap between it and the
> Xbox2 likely won't be as wide.
Yes the gap will likely shorten.
Philip B Kirschner
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saying, that while it does not have the appeal of the PS2, the XBOX has more
quality titles then the PS2.
The PS2 is a glut.
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redsniper7000
> I am saying both, the XBOX has allot of titles available for it. I am also
> saying, that while it does not have the appeal of the PS2, the XBOX has
more
> quality titles then the PS2.
Which games make the Xbox line-up better than the PS2's?
Jason Costa
> People are enjoying some really stellar games on their 'boxes? No, wait,
> that can't be the fact you were referencing. Why are you in the Xbox
> newsgroup again?
Yes, I have a few, but only a few. Compared to the PS2 library I
have, the XBOX library is tiny. I have more great RPGs for the PS2
than all regular games for the XBOX combined. The next game coming to
me is Soul Caliber (Aug) for the XBOX. I had a preorder in for Ninja
Gaiden, but now it's delayed (Sept). Halo 2 is delayed until
whenever. Fable isn't coming out until next year also. And I was in
the XBOX newsgroup, I thought to discuss the XBOX, but soem idiot
brought up the PS3, so I responded.
> Much as how Nintendo's future success was guaranteed with the NES's
> dominance? Oh wait...
Nintendo was, and still is, arrogant. They thought they were
invincible, and I think to a point, they still think this way. They
thought developers needed them, not the other way around. I don't
think Sony feels the same way, and develoerps don't feel the same way
towards Sony as they did towards Nintendo.
Jason Costa
> I am saying both, the XBOX has allot of titles available for it. I am also
> saying, that while it does not have the appeal of the PS2, the XBOX has more
> quality titles then the PS2.
Hehe, I can't see you, but did you say this with a straight face?
Dave Oldridge
wrote:
>I am saying both, the XBOX has allot of titles available for it. I am also
>saying, that while it does not have the appeal of the PS2, the XBOX has more
>quality titles then the PS2.
>
>The PS2 is a glut.
I also find many PS2 games to be unappealing, including some of the more
highly acclaimed titles (like the Final Fantasy series). But to others, those
exact same games are the best reasons for owning any video games console.
Saying that the PS2 doesn't have enough good games available really doesn't
distance you so much from the ones saying the same thing about the XBox lineup,
when that is what they believe.
Zackman
> Looks like I snagged myself another fanboy.
The funny thing is you're genuinely proud of that.
-Z-
Steven Hurdle
> If you count all European or Japanese versions of the same game as
> different games, and if you count all import titles, then maybe 400
Well, it's obviously more than 400 by that wrong-headed way of counting
as there are more than 200 games released in Europe and in North America
individually. The total number of Xbox games released globally is now
approaching 300, though not the 400 claimed by someone earlier.
ToTheGame.com lists 244 games released for the Xbox in North America and
Europe combined as I write this. There are at least two games released only
in Australia: "AFL Live 2003" and "V8 Supercars Australia Race Driver".
There are a long list of Japanese-only released Xbox titles, of which I've
cobbled together the following list:
Games released only in Japan:
Angelic Concert (http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/angelic.html)
Billiard (http://xbox.jp/software/billiard/index.html)
Bistro Cupid (http://www.success-corp.co.jp/bistro/)
Braveknight: The Knight of Lieveland (http://www.panther.co.jp/brave)
Drihoo (http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/drihoo.html)
Flight Academy
(http://www.aquasystem.co.jp/www/xbox_products/xbox_f_aca/x_f_academy.html)
Galaxy Angel (http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/galaxy.html)
Innocent Tears (http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/innocent.html)
J-Phoenix (http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/jphoenix.html)
Jikkyou World Soccer 2002
Jockey's Road
Junko Takahashi's Mahjong Seminar
Kenji Nakajima's Othello Seminar
Magideath Freak (http://www.takuyo.co.jp/products/mg/index.html)
Maximum Chase (http://www.xbox.jp/software/mc/index.html)
Muzzle Flash (http://www.vis.co.jp/muzzleflash/index.html)
Nine (http://www.xbox.jp/software/nine/index.html)
Nobunaga's Ambition: Chronicles of Chaos
(http://xbox.jp/software/t_27.html)
Otogi (http://www.xbox.jp/software/otogi/index.html)
Petit Copter
(http://www.aquasystem.co.jp/www/xbox_products/xbox_p_cop/x_p_cop.html)
Shikigami no Shiro (Castle of Shikigami)
(http://www.mediaquest.co.jp/news/XboxHP/sikigami/sikigami.htm)
Shikigamino-shiro EVOLUTION
(http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/shikigami.html)
Tenerezza (http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/tenerezza.html)
The Baseball 2002 (http://www.konamiosa.com/new/baseball2002_xbox/)
The Wild Rings (http://www.xbox.jp/software/twr/index.html)
Thousand Land (http://www.fromsoftware.co.jp/etop/soft/1000land/index.html)
Touge R (http://www.atlus.co.jp/cs/game/xbox/toge-r/index.html)
Triangle Again (http://xbox.jp/software/triangle/index.html)
Triangle Again 2 (http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/triangle2.html)
WTA Tour Tennis Pro Evolution (http://xbox.jp/software/wta/index.html)
Yukari Umezawa's GO Seminar
Zunou (http://www.xbox.jp/software/pickup/zunou.html)
(?)masa Yonenaga's Shogi Seminar
By my count that brings the total up to 279 unique Xbox titles globally.
redsniper7000
That's a lot of Japanese-only games, especially for the Xbox :D
I heard that the Dreamcast had something like 800 games if you included
JPN-only games, and that the PS2 has something in the thousands.
Scott H
"Dave Oldridge" <david.old...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:01:11 GMT, "Philip B Kirschner"
<Phi...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I am saying both, the XBOX has allot of titles available for it. I am
also
> >saying, that while it does not have the appeal of the PS2, the XBOX has
more
> >quality titles then the PS2.
> >
> >The PS2 is a glut.
>
> I also find many PS2 games to be unappealing, including some of the more
> highly acclaimed titles (like the Final Fantasy series). But to others,
those
> exact same games are the best reasons for owning any video games console.
> Saying that the PS2 doesn't have enough good games available really
doesn't
> distance you so much from the ones saying the same thing about the XBox
lineup,
> when that is what they believe.
I agree, really none of the systems have enough games to my liking to
make me need the console today. I'll probably pick up an Xbox soon for a
handful of games, but not even any of them strike me as must haves, which is
evident in the fact that they've all been out for six months or more and I
still haven't bought them or the console to play them.
The PS2 is in a different boat with me, it's got tons of games, but
hardly any of them matter to me thanks to the fact that they don't cater to
me at all (for me the Dreamcast was the ultimate gaming system speaking from
strictly a gameplay standpoint, and that type of gaming has gone by the
wayside). Sometime later this year there'll likely be a few PS2 games for
me to buy again, like there was last year. I really don't see the point in
advocating one system over the other, when the only gameplay advantage one
has over the other is in sheer numbers of throw away titles that are only
notable for trying and failing to do something new successfully.
Sam Altersitz
<redsni...@TAKETHISOUTyahoo.ca> attempted to sound witty, but
instead came out sounding like this... :
>Which games make the Xbox line-up better than the PS2's?
Oh, you know, quality ones like Kakuto Chojin, Tao Feng, Azurik,
Nightcaster, New Legends, Obi-Wan, etc. You know, those *quality*
games.
;-Ş
------
Sam
Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Study hard.
Be evil.
-Saying on a friend's T-shirt, author unknown to me.
Eiji Hayashi
Alot of those are multi platform. Angelic Concert, Galaxy Angel,
Shikigami no Shiro, and Puchi Copter for sure are. I'm pretty sure
Triangle Again, Jikkyo World Soccer is also. I think Touge R is the
XBOX version of Touge 3 or Touge Max. J-pheonix.. well, there are like
three J-pheonix games on the PS2, so it could be a port of any of
those.
Steven! why on Earth would you be counting the Seminars? They aren't
games! how could you list those, but miss Shin Megami Tensei Nine? tsk
tsk tsk.
Jordan Lund
> (SCEI) has confirmed to the magazine that "The Cell" chip
> will not be the CPU powering the Playstation3, reportedly slated for release
> in 2005, because the chip won't be ready until as late as 2007.
Some of us didn't need proof that Sony was blowing smoke up someones
ass when that was reported. <simpsons> HA, HA! </simpsons>
- Jordan
Jordan Lund
> > Skye,
> >
> > Get a clue, there over 400 games out for the XBOX and the libary grows
> > monthly. Please wake up and smell the coffee.
>
> Phil, Please wake up and smell the coffee. There is not over 400 games for
> the Xbox. Halo did not sell nine million copies. The PS2 is not dead.
Thank you Iraqi Information Minister. ;^)
- Jordan
Jordan Lund
> By my count that brings the total up to 279 unique Xbox titles globally.
There's actually a really decent listing of UK and US games at
http://www.tothegame.com: (Your mileage may vary for Japan.)
PS2 - 438 Released Titles:
http://www.tothegame.com/relps2.asp?sort=title&filter=all
XBox - 244 Released Titles:
http://www.tothegame.com/relxbox.asp?sort=title&filter=all
PS2 - 329 Upcoming Titles:
http://www.tothegame.com/ps2.asp?sort=title&filter=all
XBox - 297 Upcoming Titles:
http://www.tothegame.com/xbox.asp?sort=title&filter=all
Oh yeah... The Gamecube...
196 Released:
http://www.tothegame.com/relgamecube.asp?sort=title&filter=all
204 Upcoming:
http://www.tothegame.com/gamecube.asp?sort=title&filter=all
- Jordan
Robert P Holley
news:SGjoa.47208$MB4.19...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> Skye,
>
> Get a clue, there over 400 games out for the XBOX and the libary grows
> monthly. Please wake up and smell the coffee.
Care to list them all? That's what I thought.
> "Skye" <carolina...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hnhoa.26229$RE3.2...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> > So this is what Xbox fanboys do since there's no games.
> >
> >
> > "Strychnine" <spAmY0...@SpaMiZCraaP.com> wrote in message
> > news:_Mgoa.2835$ud4.1...@feed2.centurytel.net...
> > > A Sony official said "Moore's Law is too slow for us" I guess he
> was
> > > wrong...
> > > Strychnine
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=4307
> > >
> > > The spring issue of the Electronics Design Chain magazine has a cover
> > story
> > > that will give a terrible headache to PS2 fanboys and a happy Easter
to
> > the
> > > Xbox Hardware Team. Ken Kutaragi, president and CEO of Sony Computer
> > > Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) has confirmed to the magazine that "The
Cell"
> > chip
> > > will not be the CPU powering the Playstation3, reportedly slated for
> > release
> > > in 2005, because the chip won't be ready until as late as 2007.
> > >
> > > In 2001, Sony allied with IBM and Toshiba to create a cell-computing
> chip.
> > > These chips enable a distributed style of computing (known as cell
> > > computing) that performs computing tasks in much the same way a cell
> phone
> > > network routes calls from base station to base station.
> > >
> > > The three companies will spend $400 million over five years to develop
> the
> > > new CPU, using IBM's silicon-on-insulator process with IBM leading a
> > design
> > > team of 400 engineers.
> > >
> > > The Cell chip (rumored to be in the range of teraflops, roughly 100
> times
> > > more powerful than today's Pentium 4 chips) could have given the
> > PlayStation
> > > 3 1,000 times the processing power of the PS2. This processing power
was
> > > supposed to be used to build a multi purpose box capable of handle all
> > sorts
> > > of simultaneous processing tasks; a home entertainment hub that will
let
> > you
> > > play games, surf the Internet, and use the device as a TiVo, all at
the
> > same
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Now that the PS3 will not use the Cell chip, the CPU powering the PS2
> > > successor will not be ahead of the Moore's law, allowing the Xbox 2 to
> > match
> > > the PS3 procesing power just by using standard technology available in
> > 2005.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Robert P Holley
So what? Are they not Xbox games?
Robert P Holley
> I rather play 10 good games on the XBOX, then get 20 shit game's on PS2.
Once again, you fail to let down RS7.
> "redsniper7000" <redsni...@TAKETHISOUTyahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:mcmoa.6226$f34.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> > "Philip B Kirschner" <Phi...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:SGjoa.47208$MB4.19...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > Skye,
> > >
> > > Get a clue, there over 400 games out for the XBOX and the libary
> grows
> > > monthly. Please wake up and smell the coffee.
> >
> > Every time I click on one of your posts, I expect stupidity. I have yet
to
> > be let down.
> >
> >
>
>
Robert P Holley
news:UaLoa.2837$Df4....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
What genres do you enjoy the most?
Robert P Holley
news:35qoa.49854$MB4.20...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> I will not touch your stupidity. XBOX and GC are more graphically powerful
> then the several year old PS2.
How this for irony folks? A stupid troll calling another stupid troll,
stupid.
> "Impudent1" <l33t...@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:d3f7c3ee.0304...@posting.google.com...
> > There is a proven track record of the XLaxBox defining the label of
> > hype machine. Do we really need to revisit all those psychotic
> > delusional posts from two years ago about how the XLaxBox was going to
> > crush the Playstation 2? What is it about XLaxBox fangirls anyway,
> > always claiming what WILL happen, rather than what IS happening? We
> > all know the XLaxBox fangirls are huge fans of Miss Cleo and supported
> > her with many of their moms' and dads' dollars. Funny thing, with all
> > her forecasting ability, Miss Cleo never saw herself being indicted
> > and convicted of fraud. The XLaxBox fangirls have been about as
Robert P Holley
news:37cabe21.03042...@posting.google.com...
> Zackman <zac...@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message
>
>
> > games" cracks me up every time.
>
>
> You're right, you caught me on a technicality. Sure, I guess it
> has a lot of games. I should have said that the XBOX doesn't have
> many GOOD games. Halo, Splinter Cell, Mechassualt, Panzer Dragoon,
> maybe something else, but I forget.
Feel free to choose from any of the following to round out your list.
JSRF
Morrowind
PRG
Rallisport
Oddworld
Moto GP
Ghost Recon
PSO Esp I & II
Steel Battalion
Sega GT 2002
Shenmue II
Buffy
Zackman
> Do we really need to revisit all those psychotic
> delusional posts from two years ago about how the XLaxBox was going to
> crush the Playstation 2?
How about all your psychotic delusional posts about how the Xbox would
be dead within a year? Pot, meet kettle. The fact that Microsoft is
sticking around for another console generation must be eating you up
inside, especially now that the PS3 is either going to have to forego
your beloved Cell chip or launch in 2007, giving the Xbox2 a two year lead.
BTW, the Xbox would crush the PS2 like a bug if you dropped it on one.
The PS2 is almost as fragile as your psyche.
-Z-
Zackman
> It's going to be dominated by the PS3 no matter what Microsoft
> does. No matter how much money they throw around, they can't make
> people forget about the Playstation brand, and neither will developers
> forget it.
Like I said to Phil La Dick (sic), I'm sure Atari, Nintendo and Sega all
thought the same thing before they saw their consoles get overtaken by
competitors. Microsoft has taken their lumps and proven they're serious
about the business, and that can only help them in the next generation
of consoles.
I agree PS3 will be No. 1 next time out. The question is, how close will
Xbox2 be?
Also, not launching the PS3 until 2007, or launching a PS3 in 2005
that's basically a PS2.5, could do more damage to the Playstation brand
than Sony is willing to admit.
-Z-
Zackman
> Heh you bang on about fanboyism and then go on to a pathetic fanboy rant.
How is saying that Microsoft will have to do everything in its power to
have a hope of competing meaningfully in the next generation a "pathetic
fanboy rant"?
> The truth is Playstation is too strong. The brand name is everything in our
> society and PS is kind in the videogame world.
Tell that to Atari, Nintendo, Sega or any other company that has seen
its #1 console get overtaken by competition. "Nintendo" used to be
synonymous with "video game console" to the layperson. Now they're in
3rd place.
> Nintendo and MS have no
> chance of taking #1 spot next time.
I agree. The question is how big a gain MS can make vs. this generation.
As for Nintendo... I think they've painted themselves into a corner and
don't have a hope of doing much better next time out.
> Oh it will. PS3 will dominate. Even though it will be technologically
> inferior.
I actually thought it might be technologically superior, but now that
it's not using the Cell chip, who knows.
-Z-
Andrew Ryan Chang
>Which games make the Xbox line-up better than the PS2's?
For me, Jet Set Radio Future just about justifies the box *all by
itself*.
--
"_Brogmoids:_ In the wild, they can be seen in huge pages sorting
through rock piles looking for edible rocks. From this fact it is not
difficult to see why brogmoids live considerably longer in captivity."
-Encyclopedia Frobozzica.
Scott H
"Robert P Holley" <holl...@delanet.com> wrote in message
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I'd have to say that beat-em up (i.e. Streets of Rage 2 which has yet to
be supplanted as best ever) and Action Platform (i.e. Shinobi 3, diddo) are
tied for first place in my genre favorites. After that comes 3D Fighting
(VOOT, VF3tb, Psychic Force 2012) 3D action platforming (Sonic Adventure
1+2) 3D Action Adventure (LOK:SR 1+2, Draconus, Berzerk), 3rd person shooter
(MDK2), unique concept genre blenders especially with the exceptional parts
being fast paced action (Toy Commander, Shenmue 2), 2D fighters, RPGs (must
be fully 3D after 1995), 3D racers arcade or sim (so long as they don't
claim sim and receive praise for being sim when they're more arcade than
sim, like GT1-3), party-strategy games (Bomberman, Worms), traditional
shooters, and turn based strategy games. Basically I'm looking forward to
the day when games are accurate to reality the the degree that I can train
in them and actually improve my personal skills in that area, currently,
I'll buy anything that involves fighting in a realistic and complicated
matter, and will shun any fighting game with kill moves that don't kill and
stupid AI.
My current Xbox want list (recommendations are very welcome):
Want to Buy:
Toe Jam & Earl : Mission to Earth $35-40
GunValkyrie $15-20
Ralisport Challenge
Excellent buys but likely too expensive:
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Halo $30
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Pro Race Driver
StarWars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Good Buys, but likely too expensive:
Armada 2
House of the Dead III
Kung Fu Chaos
Lord of the Rings : Two Towers
Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2
X2: Wolverine's Revenge
Not-quite must haves:
Baldars Gate: Dark Alliance
Blood Rayne
Crazy Taxi 3 High Roller
Circus Maximus: Chariot Wars
Legacy of Kain Blood Omen 2
Project Gotham Racing
Steven Hurdle
> Alot of those are multi platform. Angelic Concert, Galaxy Angel,
> Shikigami no Shiro, and Puchi Copter for sure are. I'm pretty sure
> Triangle Again, Jikkyo World Soccer is also. I think Touge R is the
> XBOX version of Touge 3 or Touge Max. J-pheonix.. well, there are like
> three J-pheonix games on the PS2, so it could be a port of any of
> those.
*shrug* I'm not really up on Japanese games anyway. If you don't know I
sure don't know. :)
> Steven! why on Earth would you be counting the Seminars?
I've never played them. I used the word "title" anyway. :)
> They aren't
> games! how could you list those, but miss Shin Megami Tensei Nine? tsk
> tsk tsk.
Isn't that this? "Nine (http://www.xbox.jp/software/nine/index.html)" I
couldn't make out the full title (I don't know Japanese, and there wasn't a
whole lot of Romaji to be seen, LOL).
Phil
> A Sony official said "Moore's Law is too slow for us" I guess he was
> wrong...
> Strychnine
>
>
> http://www.teamxbox.com/news.php?id=4307
>
> The spring issue of the Electronics Design Chain magazine has a cover story
Must have been a mis-quote, juest read these:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/news/news_6025378.html
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/394/394316p1.html?fromint=1
Shouldn't have put the cart before the horse there :)
xazos79
And every good cross platform game. Whoa, Jason is deluded. Or letting
his ps2 fanboyism get the better of him.
Jason Costa
> Feel free to choose from any of the following to round out your list.
> JSRF
> Morrowind
> PRG
> Rallisport
> Oddworld
> Moto GP
> Ghost Recon
> PSO Esp I & II
> Steel Battalion
> Sega GT 2002
> Shenmue II
> Buffy
I'll give you JSRF and Morrowind (because this is the only RPG
that's available), but the others are stretches. Steel Battalion
isn't even realistic at $200. It's a waste of money. PSO can only be
played on live, which is poor considering all other versions had
offline and split scren play without online access. Ghost Recon is an
old PC port that's available on the PS2 and Gamcube also. Oddworld is
average at best, as is Rallisport, and isn't there MotoGP3 for the
PS2? You can't seriously expect to list the games you listed and
this be taken seriously as proof the XBOX has a list of great titles.
I can name twice the list off the top of my head for the PS2, and I
can think of more games overall on the Gamecube also (minus cross
platform stuff) that's beats out this list. In fact, just looking at
this list makes me sick to my stomach knowing this is all that's
considered decent (at best).
Jason Costa
>> Like I said to Phil La Dick (sic), I'm sure Atari, Nintendo and
Sega all
> thought the same thing before they saw their consoles get overtaken by
> competitors. Microsoft has taken their lumps and proven they're serious
> about the business, and that can only help them in the next generation
> of consoles.
They have a lot of cash to throw around, but I don't think they've
shown anything. They're not serious about the console market. If
they were, they'd be focusing on bringing new games out, instead of
allowing PC ports to flourish. They want to force people into buying
a computer in a console so that people can play online. They don't
give people what they want, they want to force their will on people,
and most people aren't having it. Someone at Microsoft decided that
people should like XBOX live and PC ports, they made it broadband only
knowing most people don't possess broadband (and in most cases, don't
really need it, want it, or even have access to it), and of course,
they're antagonizing developers to produce live content instead of
focusing on just getting quality games out. If this is what you'd
call "serious", I'd have to question that. Console gaming, at least
for me, was always about having a great base of games to play. Online
or offline, it doesn't matter. Microsoft can't seem to figure that
out, and until they do, they're not serious.
> I agree PS3 will be No. 1 next time out. The question is, how close
will
> Xbox2 be?
We'll know when the games are announced. That's going to determine
everything.
> Also, not launching the PS3 until 2007, or launching a PS3 in 2005
> that's basically a PS2.5, could do more damage to the Playstation brand
> than Sony is willing to admit.
How would it hurt the PS brand? The PS2 was supported for a LONG
time and has a huge library of games, and probably will continue to be
supported to a point even after the PS3 (like the PS was when the PS2
came out). I don't think a PS released in 2005 could be considered
PS2.5. There would be a huge difference, cell chip or no.
Andrew Ryan Chang
>Want to Buy:
>GunValkyrie $15-20
Get it! It'll burn your hands out to play, and possibly your
controller as well eventually, but it's a unique experience. Possibly
less unique once Dino Crisis 3 launches -- but we'll have to see about
that.
>Good Buys, but likely too expensive:
>Kung Fu Chaos
Maybe it's cause I actually never liked the bad English dubbing of
HK films, but I don't find KFC all that funny. Aside from some pretty
offensive humour, though, the demo was entertaining in a Powerstone sort
of way, and the graphics were very well done.
>Not-quite must haves:
>Project Gotham Racing
PGR is very addictive: each race is short and a couple of
repetitions on each track will have you making substantial improvements
quickly. The levels aren't super-gorgeous, but they're nice. I love the
camera options they give you. The odometer in each car is a brilliant
touch -- a relatively minor thing as gameplay goes, but it really makes
you feel more like the owner of those virtual cars.
>Sega GT 2002
Sega GT is fun, but I find it a good deal less addictive than PGR.
--
"Ed is the standard text editor."
-Patrick J. LoPresti
Andrew Ryan Chang
> They have a lot of cash to throw around, but I don't think they've
>shown anything. They're not serious about the console market. If
>they were, they'd be focusing on bringing new games out, instead of
>allowing PC ports to flourish. They want to force people into buying
Name all these PC ports, will ya? There aren't all /that/ many.
Microsoft has published, and will publish a stack more, XBox only games.
OTOH, one of their assets is that the XBox allows relatively easy
co-development of an XBox title and a PC port. (FWIW, I don't think games
developed for the XBox first or simultaneously deserve to be tarred as "PC
ports" where that term implies a quick port done with little care.)
Robert P Holley
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> redsniper7000 <redsni...@TAKETHISOUTyahoo.ca> wrote:
> >Which games make the Xbox line-up better than the PS2's?
>
> For me, Jet Set Radio Future just about justifies the box *all by
> itself*.
IAWTP and it was the sole reason I was even slightly interested in an Xbox
to begin with. But then Halo and Oddworld surprised me so I got one early.
But as for the original poster, Phil Kirschner is a flaming Xbox fanboy who
doesn't have a clue.
Robert P Holley
After looking at your list and your preferences, I'd recommend the
following:
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee (3D action/puzzle/platformer)
Moto GP (semi-realistic cycle racing, and online to boot)
JSRF (3D platformer-isk action)
Hunter the Reckoning (3D action, w/co-op)
Robert P Holley
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>
> > Feel free to choose from any of the following to round out your list.
> > JSRF
> > Morrowind
> > PRG
> > Rallisport
> > Oddworld
> > Moto GP
> > Ghost Recon
> > PSO Esp I & II
> > Steel Battalion
> > Sega GT 2002
> > Shenmue II
> > Buffy
>
>
> I'll give you JSRF and Morrowind (because this is the only RPG
> that's available), but the others are stretches. Steel Battalion
> isn't even realistic at $200. It's a waste of money.
Why? History shows us that high priced peripherals hold their resale value
very well. Search for Sega brand Samba de Amigo Maracas on eBay and you'll
see they'll still selling used for their original street price.
> PSO can only be
> played on live, which is poor considering all other versions had
> offline and split scren play without online access.
You're partially correct. PSO can be played offline using splitscreen, but
you still need an XBL account.
> Ghost Recon is an
> old PC port that's available on the PS2 and Gamcube also.
GR on the Xbox is also online and the superior version based on just about
every review. Just like the PS2 version of NFS:HP2 can be called the
superior version, the Xbox's version of GR can be as well.
> Oddworld is
> average at best,
Says who? You, who's never played it...or all of us owners who've
experienced it and we're pleasantly suprised at how underrated this game
was? Ask around and you'll find I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, Oddworld
is an underrated and under-appreciated gem.
> as is Rallisport, and isn't there MotoGP3 for the
> PS2?
Huh? For rally fan, Rallisport is one of the best around. As for Moto GP3
for the PS2....hmmm, all I can say is if you think they are the same game
from the same company then...never mind.
> You can't seriously expect to list the games you listed and
> this be taken seriously as proof the XBOX has a list of great titles.
Of course I can, as I just did.
> I can name twice the list off the top of my head for the PS2, and I
> can think of more games overall on the Gamecube also (minus cross
> platform stuff) that's beats out this list.
No one is stopping you from listing great games on the other systems,
because I have long lists for those console as well. I'm just pointing out
the error of your ways in regards to the Xbox's library specifically.
> In fact, just looking at
> this list makes me sick to my stomach knowing this is all that's
> considered decent (at best).
May I recommend Dramamine?
Robert P Holley
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> >> Like I said to Phil La Dick (sic), I'm sure Atari, Nintendo and
> Sega all
> > thought the same thing before they saw their consoles get overtaken by
> > competitors. Microsoft has taken their lumps and proven they're serious
> > about the business, and that can only help them in the next generation
> > of consoles.
>
> They have a lot of cash to throw around, but I don't think they've
> shown anything. They're not serious about the console market. If
> they were, they'd be focusing on bringing new games out, instead of
> allowing PC ports to flourish.
Psst, the PS2 has more PC ports than the Xbox.
Eiji Hayashi
> Isn't that this? "Nine (http://www.xbox.jp/software/nine/index.html)" I
> couldn't make out the full title (I don't know Japanese, and there wasn't a
> whole lot of Romaji to be seen, LOL).
Yeah.. that's it. Didn't notice it in your list.
Jason Costa
> Name all these PC ports, will ya? There aren't all /that/ many.
> Microsoft has published, and will publish a stack more, XBox only games.
> OTOH, one of their assets is that the XBox allows relatively easy
> co-development of an XBox title and a PC port. (FWIW, I don't think games
> developed for the XBox first or simultaneously deserve to be tarred as "PC
> ports" where that term implies a quick port done with little care.)
Why should I name them all, you know which ones I'm talking about.
I also didn't mean to imply that PC ports can't be good, or developed
poorly. For people who don't have good PCs to run those games, I'm
sure it doesn't matter to them whether it's a PC port or not, if the
game is good, that's all that matters. But at the same time, many
games don't transition well from PC to console. Many are better with
mouse and keybord, and many people don't care to play old PC ports.
Serious Sam anyone? You can get the PC version for $5. They released
the XBOX version at full price I believe, and it dropped quickly to
around $10-20. This is just ne example, but there are others
(Enclave, Morrowind, Ghost Recon, etc). All systems have PC ports,
but these are the XBOX's bread and butter.
Jason Costa
> Psst, the PS2 has more PC ports than the Xbox.
Not really. Number totals maybe (because the PS2 has so many more
games), but percentage wise, the XBOX leads in PC ports. That means
if you want an XBOX game, you have a smaller selection, and from that
smaller selection, you have many more PC ports.
THRILLHA
Talk about reaching. Where are these numbers you pulling from? As you don't
give any it's obvious you're just making you claims up.
THRILLHA
> Why should I name them all, you know which ones I'm talking about.
> I also didn't mean to imply that PC ports can't be good, or developed
> poorly. For people who don't have good PCs to run those games, I'm
> sure it doesn't matter to them whether it's a PC port or not, if the
> game is good, that's all that matters. But at the same time, many
> games don't transition well from PC to console. Many are better with
> mouse and keybord, and many people don't care to play old PC ports.
> Serious Sam anyone? You can get the PC version for $5. They released
> the XBOX version at full price I believe, and it dropped quickly to
> around $10-20. This is just ne example, but there are others
> (Enclave, Morrowind, Ghost Recon, etc). All systems have PC ports,
> but these are the XBOX's bread and butter.
umm..Enclave was on the Xbox first, then it went to the PC. Morrowind for
the Xbox and PC was in development in the same time frame. Ghost Recon was
ported to the PS2 as well. But why don't you continue to brush off all the
PC to PS2 ports.
Skye
is known for having tons of PC ports. MS touted this, and it's a fact of
life. Why people view it as a negative, I don't know. If you hate playing PC
games on a PC, then the Xbox is a good choice. You fanboys need to let it
go.
Skye
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Steven Hurdle
> Yeah.. that's it. Didn't notice it in your list.
Thanks for giving me the whole title, I was having real trouble with that
one. :)
Robert P Holley
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> Because the PS2 isn't renowned for it's PC-portability. Face it, the Xbox
> is known for having tons of PC ports.
It is? Then why didn't Jason list all these "tons" of ports?
Robert P Holley
May I see your calculations? The reason I ask is a year ago I did the same
exact thing and found the PS2 still had a higher percentage of PC ports. Of
course more games have come out since then, but I'm not sure if there were
enough to radically change the numbers to be any different.
Off the top of my head, this is what I know to be PC ports on the Xbox.
Max Payne
The Sims
Hitman 2
Ghost Recon
Serious Sam
Anyone know of any others? (And no, Morrowind isn't a PC port)
THRILLHA
> Because the PS2 isn't renowned for it's PC-portability. Face it, the Xbox
> is known for having tons of PC ports.
Too bad the PS2 has more PC ports than the Xbox.
> MS touted this, and it's a fact of
> life. Why people view it as a negative, I don't know. If you hate playing
PC
> games on a PC, then the Xbox is a good choice.
Who said I view it as a negative? I was just correcting Jason's claim of
games he said were PC ports.
> You fanboys need to let it go.
What the hell was even fanboyish about my statements?
Scott H
Heheh, but, but "everybody" said so! The Xbox doesn't have more PC
ports than any other console does, it's just a perception propogated by the
media and people who wanted to find a reason to not like the Xbox.
THRILLHA
Commandos 2
Eiji Hayashi
If you look really carefully at that linked page, you'll see "Shin
Megami Tensei Nine" in English, in really small letters at the bottom
left of the page. I'm really not sure if this game is ever going to
come to North America, as its contents deals with rather.. umm.. cult,
subjects. Although I seem to recall a Personna game, which is based on
the same series, has been localized before.
Skye
Skye
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Skye
PS2-port box than a PC-port box.
Skye
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Robert P Holley
> It also has tons more AAA titles.
It also has more molded grooves in it's outer case...but what do these
statements have to do with the argument at hand? This was a thread about PC
ports and nothing else, so I'm not sure why you felt you had to mention AAA
titles.
> I'd actually say the Xbox is more of a
> PS2-port box than a PC-port box.
I'm confused. First you wrote "Face it, the Xbox is known for having tons
of PC ports." and then when Hank correctly stated that the PS2 has more PC
ports, you changed your argument to say "the Xbox is more of a PS2-port
box".
So which is it?
THRILLHA
> It also has tons more AAA titles. I'd actually say the Xbox is more of a
> PS2-port box than a PC-port box.
Do you always change the subject when proven wrong? I wasn't even dissing
the PS2 yet you act like I did. How fanboyish of you.
mega
>
> I'm confused. First you wrote "Face it, the Xbox is known for having tons
> of PC ports." and then when Hank correctly stated that the PS2 has more PC
> ports, you changed your argument to say "the Xbox is more of a PS2-port
> box".
>
> So which is it?
Maybe it's about how many PS2 ports of PC ports the Xbox gets. Heh.
mega
Impudent1
>
> Too bad the PS2 has more PC ports than the Xbox.
>
Prove it, Fat Skank. Usually nobody responds to your dumb retard
assertions because they know you're a fat dumb retard, so what is the
point? But this fat, dumb retard assertion needs to be challenged.
There were a few PC ports to the PS2 early on, and they were quite
good ports, unlike the PS2 ports to the XLaxBox that get thoroughly
trashed in the translation to an inferior machine. In fact, as of
late, there have been quite a few more examples of PS2 games being
ported OVER TO THE PC. Unlike you, examples will be provided:
Grand Theft Auto - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
Red Faction - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
Red Faction II - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
Silent Hill 2 - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
Shadow of Memories - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
Evil Twin - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
State of Emergency - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
Oni - 1st on the PS2, ported over to the PC
There have been several others, not including all the PS1 titles that
have been ported over to the PC. Some of the ports have been better,
some the same and some a lot worse on the PC. A lot of PC gamers don't
like console gameplay either, so some titles are more widely accepted
than others.
As for recent PC ports, there have been just as many for the XLaxBox
as the PS2, with the ports often ending up better and more widely
accepted on the PS2. The XLaxBox, like its fangirls, just have to crap
on everything.
Jason Costa
> Talk about reaching. Where are these numbers you pulling from? As you don't
> give any it's obvious you're just making you claims up.
Between PC ports, and just plain lousy games that aren't PC ports,
when all is said and done, there is only a handful of games worth
buying. If you're happy with the XBOX lineup so far, fine, there's
nothing wrong with being a simpleton. You were just born that way.
Jason Costa
> May I see your calculations? The reason I ask is a year ago I did the same
> exact thing and found the PS2 still had a higher percentage of PC ports. Of
> course more games have come out since then, but I'm not sure if there were
> enough to radically change the numbers to be any different.
Yeah, 2+2=4. Isn't that easy enough for you? There are under 15
total games for the XBOX that are worth owning. That's pretty shabby.
It's doesn't take complex calculations to look at the total lot of
XBOX games, take out the PC ports and the crappy "original" games
(Kabuki Warriors anyone?), and you have hardly anything left.
> Off the top of my head, this is what I know to be PC ports on the Xbox.
>
> Max Payne
> The Sims
> Hitman 2
> Ghost Recon
> Serious Sam
>
> Anyone know of any others? (And no, Morrowind isn't a PC port)
If you don't want to believe Morrowind is a PC port that's fine,
but check the interface. The game was designed to be run on the PC.
So add to your list the following:
Enclave
Morrowind
Roller Coaster Tycoon
Medal of Honor
Unreal Championship
Baldur's Gate
Wolfenstien (in about 2-3 weeks)
Now add these games and the list you made (and probably others, but
the ones I listed were off the top of my head) and subtract them from
the total list of XBOX games, and subtract the cross platform games
from the total list, and subtract the games that just suck so bad you
dare not mention them, and what do you have left? This is what I'm
talking about. Under 15 games total worth owning, maybe under 10
games total. And the XBOX has been out long enough now that it should
have more than 10-15 games worth owning. There aren't that many good
games for the XBOX.