pratchet bookz
MiKeY
r the pratchet bookz good? my bro says yeh but i dont trust him much
as he iz a lamerrr..... neway i want 2 no 4 sure b4 i read 1....
>>> MiKeY <<<
Richard Bos
You know what? I suggest you first learn to just read at all, before
trying to read something as hard as a Pratchett book. He's real tough,
you know - he even uses words of four syllables or more! Perhaps "See
Spot run" is more in your league? Then, when you can consistently spell
words of five letters without dropping one or accidentally using a digit
instead, you might want to graduate to something harder, for example
Mother Goose. This way, you will eventually be able to read really
difficult books, like those of Mr. Pratchett. And when that glorious day
comes, we will be glad to tell you all about them, and maybe even
recommend one for you to start with.
Richard
Isabel Kunkle
Stevie D
> hey what is up
>
> r the pratchet bookz good? my bro says yeh but i dont trust him much
> as he iz a lamerrr..... neway i want 2 no 4 sure b4 i read 1....
You know what? That has to be just about the "lamest" question I've
ever seen asked - look at where you've posted this to - a newsgroup
with "Fan" and "Pratchett" in its title - what do you think we are
going to say about them?!
By the way, the books use words and sentences, not txt msg lngg, so
you might want to brush up on your reading skills before you try,
--
Stevie D
\\\\\ ///// Bringing dating agencies to the
\\\\\\\__X__/////// common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________
Richard Bos
> Richard Bos <in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
> news:3c14d4f6...@news.tiscali.nl...
> > You know what? I suggest you first learn to just read at all, before
> > trying to read something as hard as a Pratchett book. He's real tough,
> > you know - he even uses words of four syllables or more! Perhaps "See
> > Spot run" is more in your league? Then, when you can consistently spell
> > words of five letters without dropping one or accidentally using a digit
> > instead, you might want to graduate to something harder, for example
> > Mother Goose. This way, you will eventually be able to read really
> > difficult books, like those of Mr. Pratchett. And when that glorious day
> > comes, we will be glad to tell you all about them, and maybe even
> > recommend one for you to start with.
>
> WYMM?
For just that? No. Just for that, I am not worth a proposal, not even a
WYMM. Sorry, but one has to have _some_ standards, you know.
Richard
gra...@affordable-leather.co.ukdeletethis
On 10 Dec 2001 07:17:50 -0800, mikey1234...@yahoo.com (MiKeY)
wrote:
I'm sorry, but I think you're trying too hard to troll here.
Let's look at the evidence: we have a yahoo address, posted through
google, written in m0r0N tXt and being clearly inflammatory...
All you missed was an AOL connection.
Cheers,
Graham.
phobos
Aww, don't be too hard on him... it's his first usenet post. He
probably thinks everyone talks like that here, only having encountered
internet culture before from bad newspaper articles about evil
hackers...
MiKeY
2 read and also write poems. u can read 1 or 2 on my webstie...
www.geocities.com/mikey12345678_uk_2k
>>> MiKeY <<<
in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote in message news:<3c14d4f6...@news.tiscali.nl>...
Tim Cain
Speaker-to-Customers
"MiKeY" wrote ...
> hey i didnt mean 2 offend ne of the ppl on this site with my q. i like
> 2 read and also write poems. u can read 1 or 2 on my webstie...
>
> www.geocities.com/mikey12345678_uk_2k
Yes, the Pratchett books are good. However the people on this newsgroup
don't like to talk about them.
I would suggest you start with "Only You Can Save Mankind". The central
character is a 14-year-old boy who plays computer games. It was written
several years ago, so we are not talking Quake III ; this is back in ancient
times even before "Tomb Raider". However, you should get the general idea.
If you can cope with that, the sequels "Johnny and the Dead" and "Johnny and
the Bomb" are also good reads for younger teenagers.
I apologise if you are really an adult; but use of "doodz" style
abbreviations and lack of punctuation, in a post to a literary newsgroup,
inevitably gives the impression that you are a 13-year-old with a low
reading age, the social skills of a Tasmanian Devil, and no friends.
Your poetry is passable; about the same standard as Slipknot lyrics. You
have a very long way to go before you reach the level of Limp Bizkit or OPM.
If you read all Terry Pratchett's adult books, and your language skills
improve accordingly, you might reach the level of Sum 41 or Blink 182 by
about 2012.
Paul Speaker-to-Customers
--
"Bother!" said Pooh. "I'm booked for a Celebrity Deathmatch against the
Honey Monster".
StANTo
"MiKeY" <mikey1234...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:508ed5d.01121...@posting.google.com...
> hey i didnt mean 2 offend ne of the ppl on this site with my q. i like
> 2 read and also write poems. u can read 1 or 2 on my webstie...
>
Is there a language converter for those?
^_^
Michel
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/jargon.html#Lamer-speak
>
> Tim.
Ahhh, I thought it was rather cute ;-) little boy, a "lame bro" who likes
Pratchett, his first computer with internet, the poetry we all wrote when we
were young [1]. I felt all young again...though I didn't understand most he
wrote anyway...
Michel
[1] Or was it just me...
--
Gouwenees forever :-)
Warwick
mikey1234...@yahoo.com says...
> hey i didnt mean 2 offend ne of the ppl on this site with my q. i like
> 2 read and also write poems. u can read 1 or 2 on my webstie...
>
> www.geocities.com/mikey12345678_uk_2k
You know, you probably didn't want to post that URL here.
<fair use>
the first time that i saw ur face
i new my life was a waset
for u were beutiful and i
a wreck of a man who needed 2 die
</ fair use>
I seem to recall a few folk sitting in the late summer counting the
number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors on a simple beer
bottle.
I shudder to think what they'd do to that page.
Warwick
Adrian Ogden
>In article <508ed5d.01121...@posting.google.com>,
>mikey1234...@yahoo.com says...
>> hey i didnt mean 2 offend ne of the ppl on this site with my q. i like
>> 2 read and also write poems. u can read 1 or 2 on my webstie...
>>
>> www.geocities.com/mikey12345678_uk_2k
>You know, you probably didn't want to post that URL here.
>I seem to recall a few folk sitting in the late summer counting the
>number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors on a simple beer
>bottle.
>I shudder to think what they'd do to that page.
I shuddered just reading it.
Yet more proof that kids today don't know the difference between kewl
and illiter8.
--
<< Adrian Ogden -- "Sic Biscuitus Disintegrat" -- www.rdg.ac.uk/~sssogadr/ >>
"Nothing is as simple as it looks, except a chicken."
Ingvar Mattsson
[On possible language errors]
> I seem to recall a few folk sitting in the late summer counting the
> number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors on a simple beer
> bottle.
>
> I shudder to think what they'd do to that page.
I was within a hair's width of taking you up on the challeneg, but I
noticed I left my industrial-strength linguistic chainsaw at home, so
I shall have to give it a miss.
//Ingvar
--
When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb
Latest seen from Steven M. Haflich, in c.l.l
Charles A Lieberman
<9v573h$3mr$1...@vins1.reading.ac.uk>
>Yet more proof that kids today don't know the difference between kewl
>and illiter8
When I first saw the subject line I expected an offer/request for
pirated Korgi and Colin Smyth editions of the books.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "[A]pproximately 70% of the students at Stuyve-
Brooklyn, NY, USA | sant fit the description of a teenage homicidal
cali...@bigfoot.com | maniac" --letter, NY Post, April 28, 1999
http://calieber.tripod.com/home.html
CCA
>hey i didnt mean 2 offend ne of the ppl on this site with my q. i like
>2 read and also write poems. u can read 1 or 2 on my webstie...
(snip)
>(Richard Bos) wrote
>(MiKeY) wrote:
>>
>> > hey what is up
>> >
>> > r the pratchet bookz good?
(snip rest)
Text language *and* top-posting????
You really are trying to piss people off, aren't you?
CCA
phobos
> Warwick <use...@warwick.dnsalias.com> writes:
>
> >In article <508ed5d.01121...@posting.google.com>,
> >mikey1234...@yahoo.com says...
> >> hey i didnt mean 2 offend ne of the ppl on this site with my q. i like
> >> 2 read and also write poems. u can read 1 or 2 on my webstie...
> >>
> >> www.geocities.com/mikey12345678_uk_2k
>
> >You know, you probably didn't want to post that URL here.
>
> >I seem to recall a few folk sitting in the late summer counting the
> >number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors on a simple beer
> >bottle.
>
> >I shudder to think what they'd do to that page.
>
> I shuddered just reading it.
>
> Yet more proof that kids today don't know the difference between kewl
> and illiter8.
Kids today? Since Google put up the really old USENET archives, I've
been getting first-hand experience of the hitherto mythical B1FF. This
doesn't seem to be anything new :-)
David Ferguson
"Adrian Ogden" <ssso...@reading.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:9v573h$3mr$1...@vins1.reading.ac.uk...
<snip>
> Yet more proof that kids today don't know the difference
>between kewl and illiter8.
>
Sig! Sig! May I?
David, S!E
David Chapman
> 2 read and also write poems. u can read 1 or 2 on my webstie...
u r ee cummings aicm5ukp.
--
While order does exist in the Universe,
it is not at all what we had in mind.
Adrian Ogden
>Sig! Sig! May I?
You may, you may...
:-)
--
<< Adrian Ogden -- "Sic Biscuitus Disintegrat" -- www.rdg.ac.uk/~sssogadr/ >>
"Get thee behind me, thou evil side-order of Lucifer!"
Illaparatzo-sama
that...
Richard Bos
> Yet more proof that kids today don't know the difference between kewl
> and illiter8.
There _is_ no difference between kewl and illiterate. You have to be
dense as Administratium to qualify for kewl. Being able to write
correctly means immediate disqualification.
Richard
Gurpreet Singh
I object - I'm a kid today and I certainly know the difference between kewl
and illiterate. For example: PTerry is kewl - and I don't thinks he's
illiterate.
I hate it when people use the term "Kids today" I don't want to be grouped
alongside many other kids (Mikey being an example [1]) but because I am
below the age of 16, I am considered to be similar to him.
1- this is purely using evidence I have seen from your posts to this
newsgroup, and from your website.
Melody S-K
"Gurpreet Singh" <Gurpree...@ukgateway.net> wrote in
message news:3c17a7aa$0$8509$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
SNippage
> I hate it when people use the term "Kids today" I don't
want to be grouped
> alongside many other kids (Mikey being an example [1]) but
because I am
> below the age of 16, I am considered to be similar to him.
Tough!
I was grouped in the *kids today* in 1970 when I was 15 , so
you can just
put up and shut up :)
Melody
--
Hey, if you cut off your foot, you wouldn't keep putting it
in your mouth, but your body wouldn't be the same, would it?
Gurpreet Singh
"Melody S-K" <Mel...@Wibble.org> wrote in message
news:9v89ai$df5pk$1...@ID-6544.news.dfncis.de...
>
>
> "Gurpreet Singh" <Gurpree...@ukgateway.net>
> wrote in
> message news:3c17a7aa$0
> $8509>$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
>
> SNippage
>
> > I hate it when people use the term "Kids today" I don't
> > want to be grouped
> > alongside many other kids (Mikey being an example [1]) > >but
> > because I am
> > below the age of 16, I am considered to be similar to
> > him.
>
> Tough!
>
> I was grouped in the *kids today* in 1970 when I was
> 15 , so
> you can just
> put up and shut up :)
>
And did you enjoy it? I take it from the form of your post that you didn't
enjoy it. Just because you suffered doesn't mean that I have to suffer as
well.....
I hate it when 'old people' take out the woes of their childhood on 'kids
today'...
Stevie D
> I object - I'm a kid today and I certainly know the difference between kewl
> and illiterate. For example: PTerry is kewl - and I don't thinks he's
> illiterate.
Bzzzt! You don't!
"Kewl" is not, *not*, _NOT_ the same as "cool". Kewl describes the
sort of person who thinks it is fun to write in "31!73 5ÅŸ3@<" (or
'elite speak', for those people having difficulty translating it. The
sort of people who, when confronted with another human being, will
ignore it if at all possible,
> I hate it when people use the term "Kids today" I don't want to be
> grouped alongside many other kids (Mikey being an example [1]) but
> because I am below the age of 16, I am considered to be similar to him.
Point taken. I suppose it mildly ironic that I find myself denouncing
the younger generations, which age 22 I am pretty sure includes
myself!
Melody S-K
"Gurpreet Singh" <Gurpree...@ukgateway.net> wrote in
message news:3c17aa88$0$234$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
"Melody S-K" <Mel...@Wibble.org> wrote in message
> news:9v89ai$df5pk$1...@ID-6544.news.dfncis.de...
"Gurpreet Singh" <Gurpree...@ukgateway.net>
> And did you enjoy it? I take it from the form of your post
that you didn't
> enjoy it. Just because you suffered doesn't mean that I
have to suffer as
> well.....
>
> I hate it when 'old people' take out the woes of their
childhood on 'kids
> today'...
Oh dear ...missed the smiley did you? It was meant in a
humerous way.
Never mind , maybe a sense of humour will develop by the
time you
are as old as me :)
Aquarion
> Gurpreet Singh wrote:
>
>> I object - I'm a kid today and I certainly know the difference between kewl
>> and illiterate. For example: PTerry is kewl - and I don't thinks he's
>> illiterate.
>
> Bzzzt! You don't!
>
> "Kewl" is not, *not*, _NOT_ the same as "cool". Kewl describes the
> sort of person who thinks it is fun to write in "31!73 5ÅŸ3@<"
Bzzzt! Not true!
Writing in 3|!73 5?3@|< can be fun.
It's those who *only* write in 'leet, and/or think it's kewl[1] to do
so who need to be avoided.
Yours in total sincerity
Aquarion
[1] Kewl's Excessivly Wonderful Links, part of the engine that drives
Aquarionics.com, along with Klide and Klind. And Albatross.
Eric Jarvis
>
> Point taken. I suppose it mildly ironic that I find myself denouncing
> the younger generations, which age 22 I am pretty sure includes
> myself!
>
damn right young feller me lad
<mode="acting my age">
you young people, quite extraordinary
</mode>
--
eric - afprelationships in headers
"money can't buy you love, but sometimes dinner
is much more important"
Gid Holyoake
generously decided to share with us..
Snippetry..
> Never mind , maybe a sense of humour will develop by the
> time you are as old as me :)
Hmmm.. is it possible for *anyone* to be as old as you dear?..
Gid
Harsh Sukthankar
hEY dunt mock illetericizm, man
I believe Mikey is a shining example to the rest of us teens. I am also in a
state of delirium. The two are in direct correlation.
Snip
Gid Holyoake
Sukthankar generously decided to share with us..
Snippetry..
> I believe Mikey is a shining example to the rest of us teens. I am also in a
> state of delirium. The two are in direct correlation.
You're also posting from home.com.. learn, teen, or find oblivion..
Gid
Harsh Sukthankar
"Gid Holyoake" <newsm...@brynamman.org.uk> spake
That's the last time home.com has shamed me. Can anyone tell me (if its
possible), how to remove that "Organization" thing from a message? The one
that appears in mine is virtually an advertisement.
Andrew Gray
<hjsukt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > You're also posting from home.com.. learn, teen, or find oblivion..
> >
> > Gid
>
> That's the last time home.com has shamed me. Can anyone tell me (if its
> possible), how to remove that "Organization" thing from a message? The one
> that appears in mine is virtually an advertisement.
tools -> accounts -> [account name] -> properties... bingo
Or at least on this machine ;-)
BTW, it's not just the Organisation line that 'shamed you'...
Harsh Sukthankar
"Andrew Gray" <shim...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:3c181353...@news.cableinet.co.uk...
Snipping
>
>
> tools -> accounts -> [account name] -> properties... bingo
I've tried it before, didn't seem to work. I'll post this again, and check.
>
> Or at least on this machine ;-)
>
> BTW, it's not just the Organisation line that 'shamed you'...
What else, then?
Harsh Sukthankar
Julia Jones
Sukthankar <hjsukt...@hotmail.com> writes
>That's the last time home.com has shamed me. Can anyone tell me (if its
>possible), how to remove that "Organization" thing from a message? The one
>that appears in mine is virtually an advertisement.
One of the OE experts can help you with the latter. However, you're
going to have to try a bit harder to hide the shame. From the headers in
your post:
Path:
uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news
hub2.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
Message-ID: <EbUR7.37486$pa1.13...@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.100.36.44
X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net
X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 1008209764 24.100.36.44 (Wed, 12 Dec
2001 18:16:04 PST)
Ok, so the NNTP-Posting-Host doesn't actually shout it from the
rooftops, but a hotmail address still isn't that much of a fig leaf:-)
--
Julia Jones
Redemption 03, 21-23 February 2003, Ashford, Kent
Celebrating 25 years of Blake's 7 and 10 years of Babylon 5
http://www.smof.com/redemption
flesh_eating_dragon
> "Kewl" is not, *not*, _NOT_ the same as "cool". Kewl describes the
> sort of person who thinks it is fun to write in "31!73 5ÅŸ3@<" (or
People exist, at least within certain ages, who are relatively sane
but use 'kewl' as a matter of minor eccentricity. If it's not used
obsessively there's no cause for prejudice IM[0<H<(1/0)]O.
Adrian.
Melody S-K
"Gid Holyoake" <postm...@brynamman.org.uk> wrote in
message
news:MPG.168209528...@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk...
Prolly not :)
Suzi
>
> "Gurpreet Singh" <Gurpree...@ukgateway.net> wrote in
> message news:3c17aa88$0$234$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
>
> > I hate it when 'old people' take out the woes of their
> > childhood on 'kids today'...
>
> Oh dear ...missed the smiley did you? It was meant in a
> humerous way.
> Never mind , maybe a sense of humour will develop by the
> time you are as old as me :)
It's OK Melody... it's obviously all that jealousy the youngsters have
because they know we had better childhoods than them :-)
Suzi
Melody S-K
"Suzi" <Bra...@mothernature.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9v9ret$2h3$1...@lyonesse.netcom.net.uk...
Hehe , childhood in the 60s can't be bad really ..can it ?
Chris Share
(hjsukt...@hotmail.com) said...
>Worked this time. Must've done something wrong before; thanks for the help.
Ah, only 3 references to home.com in the headers now... the only way to
entirely remove them is use another newsfeed.
HTH, HAND
chris
Warwick
jajon...@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
> In article <EbUR7.37486$pa1.13...@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>, Harsh
> Sukthankar <hjsukt...@hotmail.com> writes
> >That's the last time home.com has shamed me. Can anyone tell me (if its
> >possible), how to remove that "Organization" thing from a message? The one
> >that appears in mine is virtually an advertisement.
>
> One of the OE experts can help you with the latter. However, you're
> going to have to try a bit harder to hide the shame. From the headers in
> your post:
>
> Path:
> uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news
> hub2.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
>
> Message-ID: <EbUR7.37486$pa1.13...@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.100.36.44
>
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net
>
> X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 1008209764 24.100.36.44 (Wed, 12 Dec
> 2001 18:16:04 PST)
>
> Ok, so the NNTP-Posting-Host doesn't actually shout it from the
> rooftops, but a hotmail address still isn't that much of a fig leaf:-)
Actually the references to home.com may just expire all on their own
shortly.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/21943.html
Warwick
Mary Messall
> Hehe , childhood in the 60s can't be bad really ..can it ?
> :)
I know better than that. I watched "The Wonder Years."
-Mary
--
{I drank at every vine. / The last was like the first. / I came upon
no wine / So wonderful as thirst.} {"Heaven bless the babe!" they said
"What queer books she must have read!"} -two by Edna St Vincent Millay
http://indagabo.orcon.net.nz --> my soapbox and grandstand and gallery
Melody S-K
"Mary Messall" <m.k.m...@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3C1863DA...@durham.ac.uk...
> Melody S-K wrote:
> > Hehe , childhood in the 60s can't be bad really ..can it
?
> > :)
>
> I know better than that. I watched "The Wonder Years."
ooooh nooo Mary ..*that* was Merkian 60's , a completely
different kettle of fish to what I had , which was a mixture
or Ukian and Germanic 60's
Alison Murray
wrote:
>
>
>"Mary Messall" <m.k.m...@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:3C1863DA...@durham.ac.uk...
>> Melody S-K wrote:
>> > Hehe , childhood in the 60s can't be bad really ..can it
>?
>> > :)
>>
>> I know better than that. I watched "The Wonder Years."
>
>ooooh nooo Mary ..*that* was Merkian 60's , a completely
>different kettle of fish to what I had , which was a mixture
>or Ukian and Germanic 60's
>
>:)
Hey! Merkian 60's weren't all that bad - I was there, and I *think* I
remember.
Ali ;-) (Whoops, guess I've delurked...)
Arwen Lune
Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:37:25 -0000. This is what it read:
> I can see that this is a big issue with you. Does it really
> matter that much?
To me, as second-language speaker, it does.
> Is there a real problem with it?
Yes. Letters and numbers have a different sound in my native
language. While I have been close to native-speaker level in
English, I find it very hard to say the abc in English. Somehow I
just default to my native language.
So what happens is that all these uses of 'handy' numbers in words
completely throw me off - the way I read the letters, the words
make absolutely no sense.
'want 2 no 4 sure b4'
'want twee no vier sure bevier'
It just gives me one hell of a headache. Which is exactly why I ask
people (once) not to do it, and if they persist, I prompty
killfile/downscore//ignore them.
Explanation enough?
Darth Arwen
--
))))) |"the ability to type does not make one intelligent"
)))))))__. |
_))))))))'/ |Training Jedi Hedgehogs since 2001
Ar...@cuteandfluffy.co.uk - http://www.cuteandfluffy.co.uk
Carrie Cota
<m.k.m...@durham.ac.uk>
>> Hehe , childhood in the 60s can't be bad really ..can it ?
>> :)
>
>I know better than that. I watched "The Wonder Years."
>
the 60's, you weren't there." I am of a certain age, myself. I was a
child of the "Beat" Era. (Pre-Hippie proto-Goths with better poetry).
Carrie
--
"I look from the wings at the play you are staging/while my guitar gently weeps
While I'm sitting here do nothing but aging./Still my guitar getnly weeps. -George Harrison RIP
Richard Bos
> "Richard Bos" <in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
> news:3c170bd7...@news.tiscali.nl...
> > ssso...@reading.ac.uk (Adrian Ogden) wrote:
> >
> > > Yet more proof that kids today don't know the
> > > difference between kewl
> > > and illiter8.
> >
> > There _is_ no difference between kewl and illiterate. You have to be
> > dense as Administratium to qualify for kewl. Being able to write
> > correctly means immediate disqualification.
>
> I object - I'm a kid today
And yesterday you were a piglet?
Anyway, I never said a word about children, except to indicate that the
braindeadness in question isn't limited to them.
> For example: PTerry is kewl
Wrong. PTerry can spell. At the very most, he could be called "cool",
but that, too, depends on how high he's set his heating.
> - and I don't thinks he's illiterate.
Certainly not. For one thing, he knows the difference between "kewl",
"cool", and "an interesting person".
> I hate it when people use the term "Kids today" I don't want to be grouped
> alongside many other kids (Mikey being an example [1]) but because I am
> below the age of 16, I am considered to be similar to him.
Excuse me, but if you seriously think "kewl" is an epithet anyone but a
script-kiddie deserves, you _are_ similar to him in that respect.
"Kewl" misspellings aren't impressive. They aren't cute. They don't mark
one as a person with intelligence, style, and panache. All they do is
show that the writer couldn't be bothered to pay attention when the
teacher explained spelling, and hasn't acquired the necessary knowledge
in the mean time, either.
Richard
Sandriana
wrote:
>
>
>"Mary Messall" <m.k.m...@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:3C1863DA...@durham.ac.uk...
>> Melody S-K wrote:
>> > Hehe , childhood in the 60s can't be bad really ..can it
>?
>> > :)
>>
>> I know better than that. I watched "The Wonder Years."
>
>ooooh nooo Mary ..*that* was Merkian 60's , a completely
>different kettle of fish to what I had , which was a mixture
>or Ukian and Germanic 60's
Oh god yes, the interminable dreary Sunday afternoons [1] followed by a
salad tea with limp lettuce, one tomato quarter, pickled beetroot and a
boiled egg ; the inability to find any shops open on a Wednesday;
hand-knitted cardigans; no central heating; going into summer clothes at
Easter (often in freezing March); walking to school in the dark;
'Semprini's Serenade' on the radio; no daytime TV except the
testcard..... do you want any more or I have I made you shudder enough?
[1] Did anyone else and their siblings have fits of hysterics at Sunday
teatime? Or were we just weird?
--
Sandriana
Harvest Specials: Chicken 'n' Cheese Krispy Dippers
(yes,ch-e-e-e-se!),Pork-Style Chicken Tikka Masala
(Give us some more, Mum!), Turkey-Flavoured Yoghurt
(Kids 'gobble' it up!),
Eric Jarvis
says...
>
> [1] Did anyone else and their siblings have fits of hysterics at Sunday
> teatime? Or were we just weird?
>
yes
and
yes
--
eric
"if at first you don't succeed,
then try again with it switched on"
Ekuab
Illaparatzo-sama <ICP...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ADyR7.4038$5K4.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> I'm young, and I'm afraid I can't remember writing any poetry that
resembles
> that... ^^^^^^
>
I would be glad not to... :-)
Melody S-K
"Sandriana" <sand...@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3c1dde05...@news.cis.dfn.de...
Snippage re 60s in Yukkia
> Oh god yes, the interminable dreary Sunday afternoons [1]
followed by a
> salad tea with limp lettuce, one tomato quarter, pickled
beetroot and a
> boiled egg ; the inability to find any shops open on a
Wednesday;
> hand-knitted cardigans; no central heating; going into
summer clothes at
> Easter (often in freezing March); walking to school in the
dark;
> 'Semprini's Serenade' on the radio; no daytime TV except
the
> testcard..... do you want any more or I have I made you
shudder enough?
3 words
Sing something Simple
Another 2
Forces Favourites
nuff said
Julia Jones
<War...@warwick.dnsalias.com> writes
>Actually the references to home.com may just expire all on their own
>shortly.
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/21943.html
I had wondered about that myself - I was aware of excite@home addresses
having a little difficulty, because when several of us got snowed in
that weekend, it led to some difficulty in sending out the "We're snowed
in, see you on Monday afternoon at the earliest" to assorted line
managers.
Gurpreet Singh
<Snip>
>
> "Kewl" misspellings aren't impressive. They aren't cute. They don't mark
> one as a person with intelligence, style, and panache. All they do is
> show that the writer couldn't be bothered to pay attention when the
> teacher explained spelling, and hasn't acquired the necessary knowledge
> in the mean time, either.
>
> Richard
I can see that this is a big issue with you. Does it really matter that
much? It is surely just the "Fashion" of the time - it will not hark an age
of illiteracy, or a new language (as reported by some newspapers) [1]
It doesn't show that people don't know how to spell, they have to know the
basic spellings of works simply to use "Kewl".
Is there a real problem with it? Even if you don't use it, other people do.
I know many very intelligent people who use "Kewl" while text messaging, and
I have not found one of them who tries to write poems in it (as Mikey did)
I'm sure every generation had some fad.
1 Although, admittedly not by you.
Harsh Sukthankar
">
> Ok, so the NNTP-Posting-Host doesn't actually shout it from the
> rooftops, but a hotmail address still isn't that much of a fig leaf:-)
> --
I'll go bury my head in sand now...
Bj
news:MPG.16833e473...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> Letters and numbers have a different sound in my native
> language. While I have been close to native-speaker level in
> English, I find it very hard to say the abc in English. Somehow I
> just default to my native language.
>
> So what happens is that all these uses of 'handy' numbers in words
> completely throw me off - the way I read the letters, the words
> make absolutely no sense.
g1 problem :-)
Bj
Bj
news:MPG.16833e473...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> Letters and numbers have a different sound in my native
> language. While I have been close to native-speaker level in
> English, I find it very hard to say the abc in English. Somehow I
> just default to my native language.
>
> So what happens is that all these uses of 'handy' numbers in words
> completely throw me off - the way I read the letters, the words
> make absolutely no sense.
g1 problem :-)
Bj
Stevie D
> Is there a real problem with it? Even if you don't use it, other people do.
> I know many very intelligent people who use "Kewl" while text messaging, and
> I have not found one of them who tries to write poems in it (as Mikey did)
The thing is that text messaging, like telegrams in days gone by, are
very limited in what you can say (obAFP, King Verence II sending a
clacks). But you didn't find people in the early part of this century
writing everything in telegram shorthand.
Writing in "kewl" on pretty much any medium other than a txt msg shows
supreme arrogance and a total lack of consideration for other people.
It takes no longer to write words out properly than it does to mangle
them into hacker-speak, but it takes a lot longer to read them. I will
skip straight past any message written in "kewl", and once I've been
doing that for a couple of days, it's in the bin that person goes.
--
Stevie D
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\\\\\\\__X__/////// common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs"
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Adrian Ogden
>"Richard Bos" <in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
>news:3c18bc14...@news.tiscali.nl...
><Snip>
>>
>> "Kewl" misspellings aren't impressive. They aren't cute. They don't mark
>> one as a person with intelligence, style, and panache. All they do is
>> show that the writer couldn't be bothered to pay attention when the
>> teacher explained spelling, and hasn't acquired the necessary knowledge
>> in the mean time, either.
>>
>> Richard
>I can see that this is a big issue with you. Does it really matter that
>much? It is surely just the "Fashion" of the time - it will not hark an age
>of illiteracy, or a new language (as reported by some newspapers) [1]
>It doesn't show that people don't know how to spell, they have to know the
>basic spellings of works simply to use "Kewl".
No they don't, and therein lies the problem, and the reason for my "can't
tell the difference between kewl and illiter8" comment. Whilst the initial
constructors of - for want of a better word - "kewlisms" need to know the
correct spellings, once they're accepted the way becomes open for those who
come after them to learn the kewlisms alone.
Once the former group gets the lame idea that this is a way to set
themselves apart from the herd, to make themselves kewler-than-thou, then
the latter group will follow their example. In making that their normal
form of communication they reduce their contact with the regular spelling,
with the norms of grammar, and of course with the many words for which
kewlisms don't exist because there's little call for them in text messaging.
Eventually they become unable to read normal english through simple lack
of practice.
This may sound farfetched, but Mikey's poetry page suggests that it's not
that great an exaggeration. Reading gives one a grounding in the language.
How much reading has Mikey done in order to write like that? Even scarier,
in order to write like that in the hope of impressing his girlfriend, and
to put it on the web in the belief that it will impress *anyone*? How much
reading have his friends done in order that he might actually be right?
>Is there a real problem with it? Even if you don't use it, other people do.
>I know many very intelligent people who use "Kewl" while text messaging,
The point of this stuff in text messages is - or was - to reduce typing &
bandwidth by abbreviating. It's ironic that "kewl" doesn't even do that,
it's got the same number of letters.
--
<< Adrian Ogden -- "Sic Biscuitus Disintegrat" -- www.rdg.ac.uk/~sssogadr/ >>
"There is no such word as 'impossible' in my dictionary. In fact,
everything between 'herring' and 'marmalade' appears to be missing."
Andrew Gray
<stevieiny...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Gurpreet Singh wrote:
>
> > Is there a real problem with it? Even if you don't use it, other people do.
> > I know many very intelligent people who use "Kewl" while text messaging, and
> > I have not found one of them who tries to write poems in it (as Mikey did)
>
> The thing is that text messaging, like telegrams in days gone by, are
> very limited in what you can say (obAFP, King Verence II sending a
> clacks). But you didn't find people in the early part of this century
> writing everything in telegram shorthand.
It's what, 160 characters? 180? I've never run out of space in one,
and that's with less shorthand than I use here...
momo
> Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:37:25 -0000. This is what it read:
>
>
> It just gives me one hell of a headache. Which is exactly why I ask
> people (once) not to do it, and if they persist, I prompty
> killfile/downscore//ignore them.
>
> Explanation enough?
>
That's one of them.... metafforical questions, isn't it? :-)
Anway, I'm one of those who would fall under the categorie of 'kids
today' and have the sincerity to say that I'm not quite that bad.
They would sternly have pointed to the door, if I had applied for
an exchange year in Japan with the same grasp of written language,
as Mikey displayed in his posts. I wonder, after the
first onslaught, how he had the courage to actually post *again*,
seeing that this is a groups full of literate people. It was a
pleasure to survey how one person can make an entire group surround
him like vultures, starting not to attack only him with all the vim and
vigour they can muster, but also the state of the 'new generation'
in general;-)
The scary thing is, you were probably right most of the time.
I think sometimes it depends on the situation, though. Posting a
message containing more numbers than words on afp is the equivalent
of virtual suicide. But some friends of mine, senior in age, make
use of incrypted spelling like that quite frequently. Probably because
they think any words with more than five letters are a torture for
me to read. Or maybe they are just lazy. But anyone spelling like that
hoping to impress or even seem 'kewl' was bound to hit dirt here.
That wasn't being lazy, that was just downright stupidity:-)
>> I can see that this is a big issue with you. Does it really
>> matter that much?
>To me, as second-language speaker, it does.
I second that, i.e. I wouldn't mind a translations of Mr. Chapmans post:-)
All the best,
Momo (- who should know the risks of posting when running a very
high temperature, but just couldn't resist this one. I will bear
all that will follow this post with the air of a martyr... be warned:)
Suzi
[Re: "The 60's]
> Oh god yes, the interminable dreary Sunday afternoons followed by a
> salad tea with limp lettuce, one tomato quarter, pickled beetroot and
> a boiled egg ;
Nope - never did that... Sunday lunch (Meat, veg and trimmings) was
always about 2 or 3 pm, and then we'd play all afternoon (I was young in
the 60's... only around 7 when we left it and entered the "Hippy Paisley
days" of "The 70's") :-)
> the inability to find any shops open on a Wednesday;
Thursday round our way <g>
> hand-knitted cardigans;
What's wrong with hand-knitted cardigans?... the best ones I've ever had
have been hand-knitted
> no central heating;
Now that I remember vividly - taking undergarments to the bedroom at
night so that you can pull them into the spot in the bed where you were
lying to warm them up for putting on the next morning... the dash to
the sitting room to try and get the fire going so you didn't freeze half
to death :-)
> going into summer clothes at
> Easter (often in freezing March); walking to school in the dark;
> 'Semprini's Serenade' on the radio; no daytime TV except the
> testcard.....
I quite liked some of the colour testcards (the ones which were actually
short movies on the BBC anyway) which arrived at the back end of the
60's... there was the one with the garage, and I remember one with an
owl (it may've been the same one).
> do you want any more or I have I made you shudder enough?
To make you shudder even more... I had a "hip & trendy" mum who wore
mini-skirts in the late 60's... and dressed me to match <G>
Suzi
(who's going to start on the 70's now? Do you remember those straight
dresses that everyone wore... the ones with a zip most of the way up the
front?)
Andy Davison
<3c1dde05...@news.cis.dfn.de>, sand...@eurobell.co.uk
(Sandriana) wrote:
>[1] Did anyone else and their siblings have fits of hysterics at Sunday
>teatime? Or were we just weird?
When the Goon Show, the Navy Lark or Round the Horne were on the
radio? Yes, I did. Of course, Auntie Beeb got us back occasionally
with the Clitheroe Kid but we switched that off.
--
Andy Davison
an...@oiyou.force9.co.uk
Andy Davison
<3c19117c$0$238$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>, "Gurpreet Singh"
<Gurpree...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
>I can see that this is a big issue with you. Does it really matter that
>much? It is surely just the "Fashion" of the time - it will not hark an age
>of illiteracy, or a new language (as reported by some newspapers) [1]
>It doesn't show that people don't know how to spell, they have to know the
>basic spellings of works simply to use "Kewl".
Sheesh! Kids today!
--
Andy Davison
an...@oiyou.force9.co.uk
Stevie D
> It's what, 160 characters? 180? I've never run out of space in one,
> and that's with less shorthand than I use here...
160, and I frequently have to abbreviate and shorten to fit what I
have to say into that space.
James Green
stevieiny...@yahoo.co.uk says...
> Andrew Gray wrote:
>
> > It's what, 160 characters? 180? I've never run out of space in one,
> > and that's with less shorthand than I use here...
>
> 160, and I frequently have to abbreviate and shorten to fit what I
> have to say into that space.
160, unless you have one of the few phones which will let you input 459
then mangle them into 3 seperate messages. I had one for a while, it
tempted me to stop abbreviating, and I kept running into multiple
messsages. The problem then is that you get charged for all three, and
there's no guarantee of the order they get delivered in...
I tend to use abbreviations like "u" for "you", and "c" for "see" in SMS
messages, and occasionally chatting on MSN/ICQ iff[1] the other person
starts to. If I thought the other person might have any trouble parsing
them, I'd stick to normal language as I do on IRC, and Usenet.
That seems sensible to me, YMMV etc.
Cheers now
James
[1] not a tyop
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says...
> The point of this stuff in text messages is - or was - to reduce typing &
> bandwidth by abbreviating. It's ironic that "kewl" doesn't even do that,
There is a world of difference between people who use "k3wl" and "l33t"
(or even kewl and leet) type words in a medium like this, which of
course is a bloody silly thing to do (pardon my Klatchian) and people
who abbreviate in text messages - "JV, u fancy goin2 cinema 2nite?" in
place of "JV, would you like to go to the cinema tonight?" for instance.
The latter is a fairly valid use of a few simple conventions, and can be
a reasonable saving in time and bandwidth. Remember that text input on
mobiles over 18 months old or so isn't particularly quick, so being able
to condense the message can save time as well.
Another key difference is that a text message goes to a known person -
if I send someone a message who I suspect will struggle with the
abbreviations (for instance if their first language was furrin) I'll
take the time to send the message without abbreviations, or contact them
by some other medium. Usenet messages go to a much larger audience
(unless you post from excite@home or AOL[1], of course...) and so cannot
be targeted like this - they have to be comprehensible to as many people
as possible.
Anyway, I think my point is that txt msg language has its (limited)
place, but I agree that usenet ain't it.
[1] Yes, I've probably got it written all over my headers somewhere. I
have a good excuse for using AOL for a little while. :o)
James
Michel
> Another key difference is that a text message goes to a known person -
> if I send someone a message who I suspect will struggle with the
> abbreviations (for instance if their first language was furrin)
furrin? how can a language contain fur? since when is a language a small
furry creature that lurks in the shadows of big shiny cars?
it looks a bit like text msg language, that's my point anyway ;-)
Some people use it, some, like me, don't. I am either using normal (in my
case dutch) language or phone someone. But some other people don't. Let them
be. Don't react. Make a tag [T] for posts in txt msg language. This is one
of those eternal discussions, like mac vs windows vs unix/linux or hogfather
vs small gods. Either agree or agree to disagree. If we'd all think the
same, we'd be...well erm...the same. So there. Point made. Back to sleep.
<sef>
Michel
--
Gouwenees forever :-)
(which is furrin for non-dutch folk)
And please tag. Pretty Please?
Aquarion
> In article <n7tj1u43p25t5ee8j...@4ax.com>,
> stevieiny...@yahoo.co.uk says...
>> Andrew Gray wrote:
>>
>> > It's what, 160 characters? 180? I've never run out of space in one,
>> > and that's with less shorthand than I use here...
>>
>> 160, and I frequently have to abbreviate and shorten to fit what I
>> have to say into that space.
>
> 160, unless you have one of the few phones which will let you input 459
I have a SuperNeatoCool phone, that allows me to send SMS[1] easily, but also
has fill-in-the-blanks prefabricated messages such as "I am going to be late",
which you can send with a couple of clicks.
And if there is ever a message more than 160 chars I want to send, I simplify
it to the following:
"Check your email"
Although I've never had to do this yet.
[1] Minirant about my phone, which is actually very nice. So light you think
you're going to break it, polyphonic speaker, and pretty. So now I have to
get it repaired. Not *replaced*, repaired. Getting the idea that I'm /happy/
with my year-old-phone across to the relivant sales drone has almost caused
me to waste a perfectly good phone by ramming it though their ears. The problem
is, as ever, beer. In that my phone wasn't beer-proof, and is now dying slowly.
*sigh*
Yours in total sincerity
Aquarion
--
In the last month(ish), AFP has had 26 FAQs, 341 Cascades,1000 Meta-
Messages, 4602 Messages Irrelevant to Terry and 1092 that aren't.
35 about Games, and 194 Annotations. Oh, and 209 Fandom messages.
That's 8057 total messages, (539 Messages untagged)
Sorcha
news:slrna1kbos...@sacrifice.bedlam.bogus...
<hack>
>
>
> [1] Minirant about my phone, which is actually very nice. So light you
think
> you're going to break it, polyphonic speaker, and pretty. So now I have to
> get it repaired. Not *replaced*, repaired. Getting the idea that I'm
/happy/
> with my year-old-phone across to the relivant sales drone has almost
caused
> me to waste a perfectly good phone by ramming it though their ears. The
problem
> is, as ever, beer. In that my phone wasn't beer-proof, and is now dying
slowly.
> *sigh*
>
They're generally not rain-proof either, as I discovered at CCDE. Checking
train timetables by WAP, oh yeah, right, nice idea...
Don't get me started on the repair bill, either - there was no truck with
the idea of design for easy repair and maintenance there. As for the fact
that it would have cost three times as much to repair as to buy a new one...
Sorcha
Gurpreet Singh
"Michel" <miche...@klijmij.net> wrote in message
news:B83FE171.38CE%miche...@klijmij.net...
<Snip>
> Some people use it, some, like me, don't. I am either using
> normal (in
> my
> case dutch) language or phone someone. But some other
> people don't. Let
> them
> be. Don't react. Make a tag [T] for posts in txt msg
> language. This is one
> of those eternal discussions, like mac vs windows vs
> unix/linux or
> hogfather
> vs small gods. Either agree or agree to disagree. If we'd all > think the
> same, we'd be...well erm...the same. So there. Point made. > Back to
> sleep.
> <sef>
>
>
Hear, hear. It seems from the reaction to my last post that some people do
seem to have a real problem with "Kewl". It is really not necessary in a
news group (since it takes pretty much the same amount of time to type in
"Normal" language), but can be useful for text messaging. I don't think that
such wild reactions are justified, but it obviously doesn't have a place in
AFP.
Dunc
>
> "Aquarion" <use...@aquarionics.com> wrote in message
> news:slrna1kbos...@sacrifice.bedlam.bogus...
> <hack>
> >
> >
> > [1] Minirant about my phone, which is actually very nice. So light you
> think
> > you're going to break it, polyphonic speaker, and pretty. So now I have to
> > get it repaired. Not *replaced*, repaired. Getting the idea that I'm
> /happy/
> > with my year-old-phone across to the relivant sales drone has almost
> caused
> > me to waste a perfectly good phone by ramming it though their ears. The
> problem
> > is, as ever, beer. In that my phone wasn't beer-proof, and is now dying
> slowly.
> > *sigh*
> >
>
> They're generally not rain-proof either, as I discovered at CCDE. Checking
> train timetables by WAP, oh yeah, right, nice idea...
My Nokia 3210 survived being dropped into a muddy puddle when it fell
out of my pocket when I was running between bars in a rainstorm. The
covers came off, as did the battery and I had to paddle around to find
the SIM card but after drying it out on a radiator it worked as a well
as ever. The only problem being that it didn't work that well before
as the screen has several dodgy lines on it.
> Don't get me started on the repair bill, either - there was no truck with
> the idea of design for easy repair and maintenance there. As for the fact
> that it would have cost three times as much to repair as to buy a new one...
>
I am on my third mobile phone, having had the other two for a year
each as that was the period I had to wait before I could get a new
phone with a subsidised cost and I'd rather do that than go through
the hassle and cost of getting the phones fixed even though they both
had problems within 6 months.
Dunc
--
"Monkey's and apes are different though aren't they?
Because the monkey is an insect and apes are fish."
- Jeremy Hardy
Marco Villalta
<snip, snip, snip>
> I am on my third mobile phone, having had the other two for a year
> each as that was the period I had to wait before I could get a new
> phone with a subsidised cost and I'd rather do that than go through
> the hassle and cost of getting the phones fixed even though they both
> had problems within 6 months.
I *need* a new cellphone. The one I have now is an old Philips
Fizz, from -96 IIRC. The structural integrity grid of the
display is breaking down...
--
Marco Villalta
Danish graffiti from 1984:
"Sex kills -- die happy!"
Collected by Torben Olsen
phobos
> In article <n7tj1u43p25t5ee8j...@4ax.com>,
> stevieiny...@yahoo.co.uk says...
> > Andrew Gray wrote:
> >
> > > It's what, 160 characters? 180? I've never run out of space in one,
> > > and that's with less shorthand than I use here...
> >
> > 160, and I frequently have to abbreviate and shorten to fit what I
> > have to say into that space.
>
> 160, unless you have one of the few phones which will let you input 459
> then mangle them into 3 seperate messages. I had one for a while, it
> tempted me to stop abbreviating, and I kept running into multiple
> messsages. The problem then is that you get charged for all three, and
> there's no guarantee of the order they get delivered in...
Is that 160 characters, or more generally 160 bytes? How long does a
text message have to be before PKZIP or similar will make a
significant impact?
Onboard text message compression giving ten times the message for the
same price would be a real advantage. As long as you didn't send to
someone whose phone didn't have decompression.
Sandriana
But we haven't even been introduced! I call that a bit forward...
--
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---------
God himself has ordained that the young be foolish.
- Lenin
Martyn Clapham
<Bra...@mothernature.co.uk> writes
>Sandriana <sand...@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:3c1dde05...@news.cis.dfn.de...
>[Snip]
>[Re: "The 60's]
>> going into summer clothes at
>> Easter (often in freezing March); walking to school in the dark;
>> 'Semprini's Serenade' on the radio; no daytime TV except the
>> testcard.....
>
>I quite liked some of the colour testcards (the ones which were actually
>short movies on the BBC anyway) which arrived at the back end of the
>60's... there was the one with the garage, and I remember one with an
>owl (it may've been the same one).
I used to watch them. Usually on BBC2, may even have been late 70's or
early 80's. They were designed to help dealers set up colour TVs.
I remember the one with the garage, some guy restoring an old car IIRC.
There was also one called 'The Small Propeller' which showed folks in
Sydney ( I think ) going away for the weekend in speedboats and cabin
cruisers. ( Lots of boats racing down narrow channels )
There was another that featured crystals forming ( _very_ pretty ).
Now there is a DVD of the Public Information Films ( 'Charley says ...'
etc. ) I wonder if someone can collect these up and release them?
( IIRC, the boat one was from Shell ).
Mart.
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Warwick
says...
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:55:40 GMT, "Harsh Sukthankar"
> <hjsukt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ><Snip>
> >">
> >> Ok, so the NNTP-Posting-Host doesn't actually shout it from the
> >> rooftops, but a hotmail address still isn't that much of a fig leaf:-)
> >> --
> >
> >I'll go bury my head in sand now...
> >
> But we haven't even been introduced! I call that a bit forward...
YOMOKAM...
Warwick
Harsh Sukthankar
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:55:40 GMT, "Harsh Sukthankar"
> <hjsukt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ><Snip>
> >">
> >> Ok, so the NNTP-Posting-Host doesn't actually shout it from the
> >> rooftops, but a hotmail address still isn't that much of a fig leaf:-)
> >> --
> >
> >I'll go bury my head in sand now...
> >
> But we haven't even been introduced! I call that a bit forward...
> --
>
Harsh Sukthankar
">
> YOMOKAM...
>
> Warwick
Eh? New here, but I checked the acronyms file, and I couldn't find this
anywhere...
Simon Waldman
> My Nokia 3210 survived being dropped into a muddy puddle when it fell
> out of my pocket when I was running between bars in a rainstorm
The Nokia idea of interchangable facias is genius. This is because when
you drop the phone and crack the screen, it's only the outer facia
that's affected...
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government by the badly educated. -G.K. Chesterton
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jester
After a bit of thought, I'd guess:
You Owe Me One Keyboard And Monitor
Don't fall for it though, Warwick's been here long enough to know the
risks of eating & drinking while reading afp
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Sandriana
<hjsukt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Sandriana" <sand...@eurobell.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:3c1a6871...@news.cis.dfn.de...
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:55:40 GMT, "Harsh Sukthankar"
>> <hjsukt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> ><Snip>
>> >> Ok, so the NNTP-Posting-Host doesn't actually shout it from the
>> >> rooftops, but a hotmail address still isn't that much of a fig leaf:-)
>> >I'll go bury my head in sand now...
>> But we haven't even been introduced! I call that a bit forward...
>Name's Sukthankar...Harsh Sukthankar. I'm not kidding.
How do.
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'''''''''
It's not the size of
the cable, but the veracity of the packet
Sandriana
<mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> wrote:
snippage
>Now there is a DVD of the Public Information Films ( 'Charley says ...'
>etc. ) I wonder if someone can collect these up and release them?
>( IIRC, the boat one was from Shell ).
I always liked the one where the small child gets the bleach out of the
cupboard, puts it to its lips and starts to drink it, and the film
freezes ...
My sons, aged about 8 and 5, would sit chanting "drink it, drink it!".
Awwww, bless.
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Sandriana
We want our teachers to be trained so they can meet
the obligations, their obligations as teachers.
We want them to know how to teach the science of
reading. In order to make sure there's not this kind
of federal庸ederal cufflink." The Shrub,2001
Suzi
Martyn Clapham <mar...@mclapham.demon.co.uk> wibbled...
> In article <9vcg5s$irj$1...@lyonesse.netcom.net.uk>, Suzi
> <Bra...@mothernature.co.uk> writes
[Snip]
> >I quite liked some of the colour testcards (the ones which were actually
> >short movies on the BBC anyway) which arrived at the back end of the
> >60's... there was the one with the garage, and I remember one with an
> >owl (it may've been the same one).
>
> I used to watch them. Usually on BBC2, may even have been late 70's or
> early 80's. They were designed to help dealers set up colour TVs.
[Snip]
T'was definitely late 60's / early 70's... they used to be on before the
schools programme slot :-)
We were lucky - we had a colour TV as soon as they came out (Dad ran a
pub, and a colour TV back then was the same sort of draw as Sky Sports
was when that first got put in pubs... meant we could only go and watch
the colour one when the pub was shut though, seeing as we were kids) :-)
Suzi
Richard Bos
> "Richard Bos" <in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
> news:3c18bc14...@news.tiscali.nl...
>
> > "Kewl" misspellings aren't impressive. They aren't cute. They don't mark
> > one as a person with intelligence, style, and panache. All they do is
> > show that the writer couldn't be bothered to pay attention when the
> > teacher explained spelling, and hasn't acquired the necessary knowledge
> > in the mean time, either.
>
> I can see that this is a big issue with you. Does it really matter that
> much?
Yes, IMO it does. I detest all such abuses of language. Kewlsp33k is not
creative, it is not a new way of writing, it is not an enrichment of the
English language, it is just lazy.
I have no doubt that some people will claim that Kewl is all part of the
creative process that is language, but I disagree. It might be, if it
were used intelligently, to enhance the ways of expression a user of
English has, to say things that one cannot say in ordinary English. But
it isn't used that way. It is used to express banalities and platitudes
in a way that suggests interest neither in the content nor in the form
of the so-called message conveyed.
Note that Kewlsp33k is not alone in this. I have the same objections
against, for example, politically-correct Newspeak and vague government
babble.
> It is surely just the "Fashion" of the time - it will not hark an age
> of illiteracy, or a new language (as reported by some newspapers) [1]
It doesn't hark anything, but IYAM (and as shown, IMO, by the usually
dire content of messages in this kind of semi-language) it is a symptom
of an already existing decrease in literacy; and I'm also afraid that it
might aggravate this situation.
I know so many people who couldn't formulate a decent sentence, or spell
two paragraphs correctly, to save their own lives. A whole new
generation growing up with the idea that "D000d! ne1 4 eh game uv
baskitbarl!?!" is a sensible, literate uttering cannot do them any good.
> It doesn't show that people don't know how to spell, they have to know the
> basic spellings of works simply to use "Kewl".
Do they? I can find no evidence of that. Generally, Kewlsp33k seems to
exist of the simpler words spelled semi-correctly and the harder words
mangled into a spelling based primarily on how the local yokels
pronounce them.
> I know many very intelligent people who use "Kewl" while text messaging,
There is a time and a place for such things. I don't have a mobile, so I
won't pretend to discuss SMS, but I'm sure you'll agree that the reasons
for using such things on SMS disappear when one enters the real world.
After all, there was a reason for telegram style, too, but nobody writes
(and AFAIK wrote) normal letters that way.
> I'm sure every generation had some fad.
Sure. Just let them keep it to themselves, and don't expect us to take
them seriously.
Richard
john usher
> "Gurpreet Singh" <Gurpree...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
>
> > "Richard Bos" <in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
> > news:3c18bc14...@news.tiscali.nl...
> >
> > > "Kewl" misspellings aren't impressive. They aren't cute. They don't
mark
> > > one as a person with intelligence, style, and panache. All they do is
> > > show that the writer couldn't be bothered to pay attention when the
> > > teacher explained spelling, and hasn't acquired the necessary
knowledge
> > > in the mean time, either.
> >
> > I can see that this is a big issue with you. Does it really matter that
> > much?
>
> Yes, IMO it does. I detest all such abuses of language. Kewlsp33k is not
> creative, it is not a new way of writing, it is not an enrichment of the
> English language, it is just lazy.
Just an observation but this reply contains the ugly and lazy(and, if you
don't know the meanings, mystifying) abreviations, IMO, SMS, AFAIK and IYAM.
TTFN:)
Stevie D
> I have no doubt that some people will claim that Kewl is all part of the
> creative process that is language, but I disagree. It might be, if it
> were used intelligently, to enhance the ways of expression a user of
> English has, to say things that one cannot say in ordinary English. But
> it isn't used that way. It is used to express banalities and platitudes
> in a way that suggests interest neither in the content nor in the form
> of the so-called message conveyed.
More to the point, it is used to demonstrate superiority over lesser
mortals who still make do with old-fashioned comprehensible English.
> I know so many people who couldn't formulate a decent sentence, or spell
> two paragraphs correctly, to save their own lives. A whole new
> generation growing up with the idea that "D000d! ne1 4 eh game uv
> baskitbarl!?!" is a sensible, literate uttering cannot do them any good.
This is as much to do with other (and earlier) problems in society -
the changes to the basic family unit, the increase in TV watching,
computer games and non-creative toys - as the very recent txt msging
craze.
> There is a time and a place for such things. I don't have a mobile, so I
> won't pretend to discuss SMS, but I'm sure you'll agree that the reasons
> for using such things on SMS disappear when one enters the real world.
> After all, there was a reason for telegram style, too, but nobody writes
> (and AFAIK wrote) normal letters that way.
Besides which, a lot of kewlspeek is inappropriate for SMS, seeing as
it doesn't use any fewer characters, and a lot of the ones it does use
are not standard letter characters, but ones that require you to go
hunting through menus to get them.
I have no objections to abbreviations like 2, 4, u, c and so on in
SMS, where space is limited, and speed is low, but they are not
appropriate anywhere else, I fully agree.
Gurpreet Singh
"Richard Boos" <in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
news:3c1b4079....@news.tiscali.nl...
This is all in your opinion. There are many other people who think that
"Kewlsp33k" looks good and is impressive (not that I agree with them - in my
opinion it does have its place outside of text messaging, but "Kewl Sp33k"
gets annoying when it is used in excess.)
What makes your opinion any more right than any other people's opinion?
<Snip>
> A whole new
> generation growing up with the idea that "D000d! ne1 4 eh
> game uv
> baskitbarl!?!" is a sensible, literate uttering cannot do them
> any good.
>
But English is spoken differently in many different dialects. What makes one
pronunciation better than another? That is What you have shown is just
another, slightly newer dialect. I don't think that it is good, or indeed
acceptable, when written down, but when it is spoken (in the manner shown by
you) it is surely just another dialect (and after all, Queen's English is
also just a dialect.)
> > It doesn't show that people don't know how to spell,
> > they have to know
> > the
> > basic spellings of works simply to use "Kewl".
>
> Do they? I can find no evidence of that. Generally,
> Kewlsp33k seems to
> exist of the simpler words spelled semi-correctly and the
> harder words
> mangled into a spelling based primarily on how the local
> yokels
> pronounce them.
>
Local yokels? This leads me on to the point above. All pronunciations of
English are dialects, and there is no dialect better than another. People
have this misconception that, just because somebody talks with a Scouse
accent (or indeed any other accent), they are worse than somebody who talks
in Queen's English.
<Snip>
> Sure. Just let them keep it to themselves, and don't expect
> us to take
> them seriously.
>
See, the same point yet again - why are you so against people who use "Kewl
sp33k" ?
David Chapman
> why are you so against people who use "Kewl
> sp33k" ?
>
Richard and I - and virtually everybody with a modicum
of taste, I would hope - do not like the idea that
unintelligibly bad English should be an in thing that is
encouraged; there's enough stupidity and poor spelling
in the world, without pushing for more. We have a limited
amount of time to spend reading Usenet; we do not wish
to waste it wading through the alphanumeric garbage that
some 13-year-old is using instead of real, grown-up words
because he thinks it makes him look clever, "kewl" and
"1337".
Does that sum up the position thoroughly, Richard?
--
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it is not at all what we had in mind.
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TICBW
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Eric Jarvis
> "Gurpreet Singh" <Gurpree...@ukgateway.net> wrote in message
> news:3c1b97d6$0$227$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
>
> > why are you so against people who use "Kewl
> > sp33k" ?
> >
>
> Richard and I - and virtually everybody with a modicum
> of taste, I would hope - do not like the idea that
> unintelligibly bad English should be an in thing that is
> encouraged; there's enough stupidity and poor spelling
> in the world, without pushing for more. We have a limited
> amount of time to spend reading Usenet; we do not wish
> to waste it wading through the alphanumeric garbage that
> some 13-year-old is using instead of real, grown-up words
> because he thinks it makes him look clever, "kewl" and
> "1337".
>
> Does that sum up the position thoroughly, Richard?
>
if it does then I would want to see a further point included
once somebody has practised sufficiently and learned the basics of
how language works they should be allowed to apply for a poetic
license...a poetic license allows one to misspell and otherwise
mangle the language in any way one desires in order to create a
specific emotional or comic response
I take huge liberties with the English language...I do so quite
deliberately and for what I consider to be perfectly good
reasons...others disagree...but by and large the overall style of
what I post seems to be acceptable to afp so I "get away with
it"...I assume that is because there is a reasonable chance that a
fair number of people will find reading my posts worthwhile...and
that they are at least vaguely understandable
"kewl" upsets people mostly because it is so rarely associated with
anything worthy of consideration...and because it is often
accompanied by enough other liberties with the language as to be
genuinely barely comprehensible to some
these are the faults with its use...and they are faults that can
also apply to overuse of newspeak, overuse of dialect, and my own
total avoidance of grammar
so anyone who feels the need to use "unconventional" forms of
English has got to be aware that it is incumbent on them to make an
extra effort to reach people...that if there is no advantage to the
unconventional language then it should be avoided...and those
criticising it should do so only when it fails to communicate as
effectively as conventional language would
or some such
--
eric
"I am a man of many parts, unfortunately most of
them are no longer in stock"
David Chapman
> David Chapman wrote:
> > Does that sum up the position thoroughly, Richard?
> >
>
> if it does then I would want to see a further point included
>
> once somebody has practised sufficiently and learned the basics of
> how language works they should be allowed to apply for a poetic
> license...a poetic license allows one to misspell and otherwise
> mangle the language in any way one desires in order to create a
> specific emotional or comic response
> "kewl" upsets people mostly because it is so rarely associated with
> anything worthy of consideration...and because it is often
> accompanied by enough other liberties with the language as to be
> genuinely barely comprehensible to some
I think that is encapsulated in "using 1337-5p33k because
you think it makes you look "kewl"." The point there is that
they're using it for that specific reason, *not* for any other.
Isabel Kunkle
>a poetic license allows one to misspell and otherwise
> mangle the language in any way one desires in order to create a
> specific emotional or comic response
Whereas my firmly-held opinion is that poetic spelling or grammar belongs
in, well, poetry. I do not rhyme my messages, I do not construct them in
sonnet or haiku form, and I don't expect to have other people's (wrong)
ideas of "cre-8-ivity" inflicted on me. And for the record, I don't consider
poetry written in "kewlspeek" as any legitimate form of art, just as I don't
consider paint smeared on the wall by a three-year-old to be art.
>there is a reasonable chance that a
> fair number of people will find reading my posts worthwhile...and
> that they are at least vaguely understandable
Yes, and whatever liberties you take with the English language are
comparatively minor. I may--and probably do--disagree with the reasons for
your taking them, but I can read your posts and the errors aren't enough to
grate. I'm not a Grammar Nazi, I don't bitch too much about irregular verbs
and that sort of thing, but basic principles are a neccessity, especially if
English is your first language.
> "kewl" upsets people mostly because it is so rarely associated with
> anything worthy of consideration...and because it is often
> accompanied by enough other liberties with the language as to be
> genuinely barely comprehensible to some
Well, yes. It's typically associated with dateless, pimple-faced
thirteen-year-old boys who spend their entire time shooting things online
(not that I object to shooting things online, mind you) and who have the
general intellectual capacity of a hunk of chewed gum.
> these are the faults with its use...and they are faults that can
> also apply to overuse of newspeak, overuse of dialect, and my own
> total avoidance of grammar
Yes, and dialect, as far as I understand these things, is supposed to be
*verbal*, not written. (Which is why I grit my teeth at the online use of
"da bomb" and other such idiocies, especially as those using them are
typically suburban white teenagers, but that's another subject entirely.)
Andrew Spray
<snip>
> ideas of "cre-8-ivity" inflicted on me. And for the record, I don't consider
> poetry written in "kewlspeek" as any legitimate form of art, just as I don't
> consider paint smeared on the wall by a three-year-old to be art.
Ah! So you don't like contemporary art either!
IGMC
--
Andrew Spray "It is said that the future is always born in pain. The
history of war is the history of pain. If we are wise, what is born of
that pain matures into the promise of a better world, because we learn
that we can no longer afford the mistakes of the past." -G'Kar
Warwick
isabel...@brown.edu says...
>
> Eric Jarvis <nos...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1685bc132...@news.dircon.co.uk...
>
> >a poetic license allows one to misspell and otherwise
> > mangle the language in any way one desires in order to create a
> > specific emotional or comic response
>
> Whereas my firmly-held opinion is that poetic spelling or grammar belongs
> in, well, poetry. I do not rhyme my messages, I do not construct them in
> sonnet or haiku form, and I don't expect to have other people's (wrong)
> ideas of "cre-8-ivity" inflicted on me. And for the record, I don't consider
> poetry written in "kewlspeek" as any legitimate form of art, just as I don't
> consider paint smeared on the wall by a three-year-old to be art.
Of course there is an issue that the 'artistic' world would take with an
opinion like this. Art, as can be demonstrated by the likes of the works
of Damien Hurst and of course the recent winner of the Turner prize, can
be a very varied subject. Just because I like something, or I feel I may
be being challenged to the very depths of my soul by a piece, will never
guarantee that every person viewing that piece will agree, or see even a
single part of what I experience as the piece of art. Haiku, indeed, may
appear to the first viewing to be a very strict and precise form, but is
a fairly free form of expression in the original and only the attempt to
translate the form into something the we in the west can comprehend made
the sylable requirement so much more important than it really should be.
Going on from there of course, you have to ask if the form of the art is
really important. ie. the fact that this post was so carefully composed
that, if viewed in most newsreaders that don't use a proportional font
the text patterns quite nicely. Do I claim that it is art? I'd openly
admit that there is a skill to it, much reference to a thesaurus too
But we've seen a similar device used on usenet for years and Pterry
used something like it in Maskarade. In the sixties the beat poets
used the lower case letter I in some of their works to facilitate
the appearance of strangeness and, perhaps, a sense of the inner
self speaking. This was quickly copied by many others who tried
to acquire the stature of the originators by using the fashion
of their writings. This failed and rapidly tarnished the form
so that this means of expression has no real standing in art
circles. The kewl form of speak has come from many quarters
txt msgs, AOL and the sudden expansion of the internet can
be attributed for much of it. William Gibson, though, has
his own piece of blame to accept since his 'cyber' space
novels truly got the attention of the artistic world in
a way that web browsers could never have achieved. Out
of those novels came a few new words and concepts and
they promptly entered the western world's psyche. If
it hadn't been for them, we wouldn't have the idiom
cyberspace. I'm sure that once the form began the
(How on earth am I going to end on one character)
process of recognition, that there were several
poems released simultaneously by bleeding edge
poets utilising the new way of expression, we
as a society had come up with. The fact that
a schoolkid has used this himself is not by
any means a surprise. I'm not defending by
any means *our* poster since he failed to
(oh gods, why did I start this lengthy?)
demonstrate capacity to write any other
form of the language. When you condemn
the form, then you're near to being a
censor, whether of yourself, or that
of others. Condemning output of the
self-acclaimed artist on the basis
of a cliche cannot be OK when the
form itself has been denied as a
medium. Otherwise, you'd find a
catch-22 where no art could be
created since the form is not
allowed unless it already is
in use, and then you cannot
use it since that would be
a cliche. That would have
(Please can I stop now?)
been the finish of this
post, except, we would
all I guess, fain see
this post, arrive at
the finale that the
form is pushing me
towards. My hopes
are that someone
is reading this
and hopes that
I'll get that
useless word
to avert my
being able
to finish
the full
post to
bitter
halt.
Just
for
me
?
Warwick -- for sale, one thesaurus slightly scorched
Eric Jarvis
>
> Eric Jarvis <nos...@last.dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1685bc132...@news.dircon.co.uk...
>
> > anything worthy of consideration...and because it is often
> > accompanied by enough other liberties with the language as to be
> > genuinely barely comprehensible to some
>
> Well, yes. It's typically associated with dateless, pimple-faced
> thirteen-year-old boys who spend their entire time shooting things online
> (not that I object to shooting things online, mind you) and who have the
> general intellectual capacity of a hunk of chewed gum.
>
personally I consider it perfectly reasonable to object to said
individuals regardless of what they write and how...but then I was
something fairly similar once and have some idea how unpleasant I
was at the time
:)
--
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>I'm not kidding.
Neither am I, but then I'm not a female goat.
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Charles A Lieberman
<3c1b4079....@news.tiscali.nl>
>A whole new
>generation growing up with the idea that "D000d! ne1 4 eh game uv
>baskitbarl!?!" is a sensible, literate uttering
Does anyone? Are people who "write" this glop genuinely not conscious
that it's something other than standard English? I suspect that, if
anything, people who do this think it's *as good* as literate English,
not that it's a subset of it.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "[A]pproximately 70% of the students at Stuyve-
Brooklyn, NY, USA | sant fit the description of a teenage homicidal
cali...@bigfoot.com | maniac" --letter, NY Post, April 28, 1999