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Tanya Marshall

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Jan 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/29/97
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This is my ahnenlist of Eleanor of Provence, wife of Henry III, king of
England. If your data differs, please remark. Thanks!
1 Eleanor of Provence d 24 Jun 1291 Amesbury England
2 Raymund IV Beringerus, Count of Provence d 19 Aug 1245 Aix,France
3 Beatrice of Savoy d Dec 1266
4 Alfonso II, Count of Provence d Feb 1209 Palermo,Sicily
5 Gersenda II of Saban d Aft 1222
6 Thomas I of Savoy d 1 Mar 1232/1233 Aosta,Italy
7 Marguerite of Foucigny d 8 Apr 1236/1257 Pierre Chatel,Hautecombe
8 Alfonso II, King of Aragon d 25 Apr 1196 Perpignan
9 Sancha of Castile d 9 Nov 1208 Monastery of Xinena
10 Rainou de Sabran d 1224
11 Gersinde of Sabran d 1193
12 Humbert III, Count of Savoy d 4 Mar 1188
13 Beatrix of Vienne d 1230
14 William I of Geneva, Count of Geneva d 27 Jul 1195
16 Raymond Berengar IV,Count of Barcelona d 8 Aug 1162 San Dalmacio,nr Turin
17 Petronilla of Aragon d 13 Oct 1173 Barcelona
18 Alphonso VII, King of Leon and Castile d 21 Aug 1157 Fresneda
19 Richilda of Poland d 1166/1167
20 Rostaing, Seigneur de Sabran d 16 Feb 1208
21 Rosine d 1206
22 William IV, Count of Forcalquier d 1209
23 Adelaida de Bezieres
24 Amadeus III, Count of Savoy d 30 Aug 1148
25 Maud of Albon (Grenoble) de Viennois d Aft 1 Jan 1145
26 Gerard, Count de Vienne d 1184
27 Maurette de Salins d 1184
28 Amadeus I of Geneva, Count of Geneva d 26 Jun 1178
29 Matilda of Cuiseaux
>Tanya
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John Yohalem

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Mar 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/14/97
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On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:05:14 EST, Tanya Marshall
<tam...@NGIC.OSIS.GOV> wrote:

>This is my ahnenlist of Eleanor of Provence, wife of Henry III, king of
>England. If your data differs, please remark. Thanks!

Okay. Here is where my data differs:

> 1 Eleanor of Provence d 24 Jun 1291 Amesbury England
> 2 Raymund IV Beringerus, Count of Provence d 19 Aug 1245 Aix,France
> 3 Beatrice of Savoy d Dec 1266
> 4 Alfonso II, Count of Provence d Feb 1209 Palermo,Sicily
> 5 Gersenda II of Saban d Aft 1222
> 6 Thomas I of Savoy d 1 Mar 1232/1233 Aosta,Italy
> 7 Marguerite of Foucigny d 8 Apr 1236/1257 Pierre Chatel,Hautecombe

I believe it's Faucigny

> 8 Alfonso II, King of Aragon d 25 Apr 1196 Perpignan
> 9 Sancha of Castile d 9 Nov 1208 Monastery of Xinena
> 10 Rainou de Sabran d 1224
> 11 Gersinde of Sabran d 1193

Gersenda, Countess of Forcalquier


> 12 Humbert III, Count of Savoy d 4 Mar 1188
> 13 Beatrix of Vienne d 1230
> 14 William I of Geneva, Count of Geneva d 27 Jul 1195

I believe you have him in the wrong generation. Marguerite's father
was William, Sieur de Faucigny. I don't have a mother for her either.

> 16 Raymond Berengar IV,Count of Barcelona d 8 Aug 1162 San Dalmacio,nr Turin

Also Count of Provence. Details.

> 17 Petronilla of Aragon d 13 Oct 1173 Barcelona

Her title was Queen of Aragon.

> 18 Alphonso VII, King of Leon and Castile d 21 Aug 1157 Fresneda
> 19 Richilda of Poland d 1166/1167
> 20 Rostaing, Seigneur de Sabran d 16 Feb 1208
> 21 Rosine d 1206

I have her as Rosine du Callar

> 22 William IV, Count of Forcalquier d 1209

I have him as William II.

> 23 Adelaida de Bezieres
I have her as Marguerite de Bourbon.

> 24 Amadeus III, Count of Savoy d 30 Aug 1148
> 25 Maud of Albon (Grenoble) de Viennois d Aft 1 Jan 1145
> 26 Gerard, Count de Vienne d 1184

Or Gerard de Vienne, Count of Macon?

> 27 Maurette de Salins d 1184
> 28 Amadeus I of Geneva, Count of Geneva d 26 Jun 1178
> 29 Matilda of Cuiseaux

For these two I have Henri, Sire de Faucigny and Contesson of Geneva.
Perhaps Contesson was the daughter of your 28 and 29.

My source for all this is J.-D. de Joannis, Seize Quartiers
Genealogiques des Capetiennes. Invaluable but not without errors.

> >Tanya
> tam...@ngic.osis.gov

I regret that I missed out on your ahnenlists for previous queens of
England. WOuld it be possible to get them sent me privately?

Jean Coeur de Lapin
ench...@escape.com


Alan B. Wilson

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Mar 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/17/97
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On 14 Mar 1997 John Yohalem <ench...@ESCAPE.COM> posted
some differences in his ancestry for Eleanor of Provence from
that posted on 29 Jan 1997 by Tanya Marshall
<tam...@NGIC.OSIS.GOV>.

Below I am listing my own version of this ancestry. The
points at which either John and Tanya differ from each other, or
I differ from either/both of them are numbers 7, 14, 15, 30, and
31. All of these appear in Moriarty's Plantagenet Ancestry, pp.
104, 107-108. All but 31 can also be found in Europaische
Stammtafeln xi, 158. Moriarty's note on p. 261 may help explain
the differences. See also Winkhaus pp. 79 & 85. (Note,
however, that ES xiv, 70 does not list Beatrix as a daughter of
Aimon I of Faucigny.)

1 Eleanor of Provence. Born circa 1217 in
Aix-En-Provence, France. Died 24 Jun 1291 in Amesbury (Wilts)
England. Buried in Convent Church, Amesbury.
2 Raimond Beranger V of Provence Count. Born
1195/1198 in France. Died 19 Aug 1245.
3 Beatrix of Savoy. Born circa 1198. Died Dec 1266.
4 Alphonso of Provence Count. Born circa 1180. Of
Aragon, Spain. Died Feb 1209 in Palermo. Count of Provence.
5 Gersinde II of Sabran. Died 1224. Countess of Forcalquier.
6 Thomas of Savoy Count. Born 20 May 1178 in
Carbonierres, Savoy, France. Died 1 Mar 1233 in Aosta, Savoy,
=46rance. Count of Savoy.
7 Marguerite (Beatrix) of Geneva. Born circa 1180.
Died 13 Apr 1236 in Pierre-Ch=E2tel, Isere, France.
8 Alphonso II of Aragon King. Born Mar 1157 in
Huesca. Died 25 Apr 1196 in Perpignan. King of Aragon; Count of
Provence. Count of Barcelona, Gerona, Osona, Besalo, Cerdana,
etc.
9 Sancha of Castile. Born 21 Sep 1154. Died 9 Nov
1208 in Sijena.
10 Rainou of Sabran Count. Born circa 1155. Died
1224. Count of Forcalquier.
11 Gersinde de Forcalquier Countess. Died after
1193. Countess of Forcalquier.
12 Humbert III of Savoy Count. Born 4 Aug 1136 in
Aveillare (Savoy) France. Died 4 Mar 1189 in Cypress. Count of
Savoy.
13 Beatrix of Macon (de Vienne). Born circa 1160.
Died Before 8 Apr 1230.
14 William I of Geneva Count. Born 1130 Died 25 Jul
1195. Occupation Count of Geneva.
15 Beatrix of Faucigny.
16 Raimond Beranger IV of Barcelona Count. Born
1113. Died 6 Aug 1162 in San Dalmacio near Turin. Count of
Barcelona, Cerdana, Gerona, Osona.
17 Petronille of Aragon Queen. Born 1121/1135. Died
13 Oct 1173 in Barcelona.
18 Alphonso VII of Castile King. Born 1 Mar 1105.
Died 21 Aug 1157 in Fresneda. King of Castile and Leon.
19 Richeza of Poland. Born 1130/1140. Died Circa 1185.
20 Rostaign II of Sabran seigneur. Born Circa 1135.
Died 16 Feb 1208. Seigneur de Sabran.
21 Roscie \ Rosine of Uzes. Born circa 1135. Died 1206.
22 Guillaume IV of Forcalquier Count. Born circa
1130. Died Nov 1208/1209. Count of Forcalquier.
23 Adelaida of Bezieres. Born About 1134.
24 Amadeus III of Savoy Count. Born circa 1095.
Died 30 Oct 1148 in Nicosia, Cyprus. I Count of Savoy.
25 Maud of Albon. Of Viennois, France. Died after Jan 1145.
26 Gerard of Vienne Count. Born Circa 1112 in of
Macon (Saone-et Loire) France. Died 15 Sep 1184. Occupation
count of Vienne and M=E2con.
27 Maurette \ Guyonne de Salins. Born Circa 1130 in
of Salins (Jura) France. Died 1184.
28 Amadeus I von Genf Count. Born circa 1100. Died 26 Jun 1178.
29 Mathilde de Cuiseaux. Born circa 1104. Of Genf,
Genf, Switzerland. Died before Jul 1137.
30 Aimon I of Faucigny. Born 1150/1152. Died 1178.
31 Clementia. Born about 1154.

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Alan B. Wilson
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