Is it true about the commodore 64 monitor?
mr. smith
have perfect, flawless quality and reproduction for video editing. Can
anyone with any experience give some feedback or verify if this is true?
Also, are all the models good for editing?
thanx
MK
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At one time I knew five people using that monitor for video
editing but one by one they have all expired due to age; the
monitors that is, not their owners. Whether it was a good or
bad monitor is largely academic now, purchase at other than a
give-away price might not be a good investment. My opinion is
that it was rather 'soft' but that may be because I was lucky
enough to get a monitor cheaply from a closing broadcast
facility which is in a different league entirely.
MK
David McCall
that about Commodore 64 monitors, but I have heard
such claims about Amiga monitors. They might have
been the same basic units. Compared to "real' monitors
($800 and up) they aren't that good. They are simple
monitors and don't have the extra circuitry theat "hides"
the problems in your video the way a nice Sony TV
would (this is a good thing). They don't have underscan,
pulse cross, blue check, but they are cheap. I've had
several fail over the years, so I don't consider them a
great choice for critical evaluation of your video.
David
>
Mike Kujbida
I've got a 12-year old Commodore 2080 monitor that I still use in my edit
suite but it's used strictly as a "confirmation" monitor. That is, I have
audio and video playback from my dub rack. I would never use it as my main
monitor. It's just not that good.
Mike Kujbida
Sparks
"mr. smith" <clo...@usa.net> wrote:
I've got one right here (pat, pat...). It's definately not "flawless"
but a much, much nicer than a 13" Tv would be. And pretty darn cheap.
John Hollands
Good for non-critical viewing. I had one on my character generator - A72 -
for years, also one showing on-screen wave and vector PIP stuff.
Cheap. $100 at computer shops.
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Chris
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> Not 64. Amiga. 1080 and so.
>
> Good for non-critical viewing. I had one on my character generator - A72 -
> for years, also one showing on-screen wave and vector PIP stuff.
>
> Cheap. $100 at computer shops.
New or used? Because I don't see them new any more, and when they pop up
used, they're never more then $20-25 Canadian.
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> Good for non-critical viewing. I had one on my character generator - A72 -
> for years, also one showing on-screen wave and vector PIP stuff.
>
> Cheap. $100 at computer shops.
>
I had a 1084 [625/50/PAL] I used one until recently for my DV500 system.
Certainly *isn't* a broadcast monitor by any rate, but not bad for
non-critical use. Unfortunately it gave up the ghost (suspect LOPT stage
kaputt), and I had to get rid of it as there was no-one who could fix it,
and I don't have the kit to work on monitors safely.
IIRC by using the picture size controls you *could* underscan it so you
could see all the picture, although you didn't have a button which switched
between underscanned and overscanned mode.
for those who still use one, why not make your *own* 4-pin mini DIN to 2 x
RCA lead?
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units to make hookup with conventional S video cables. A helper dropped a third
one - damn!
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separate RCA connectors). This was the monitor that was sold with the
Commodore 64, 64S, and 128. Very stable picture, excellent color, but you
have to open to case and pull the yoke back to get underscan. Oh, and the 1072
has a VERY large dot-pitch picture tube. Don't know the numbers, but probably
in the .32 mm range...really a TV receiver tube. But this is why the picture
was excellent for a picture destined for TV viewing.
The Commodore (or later Amiga) 2080 was also 13", but had a real SVideo
connector socket and a MUCH finer-pitch tube. But the tube used "computer"
phosphors, rather than TV. The image therefore seem somewhat washed-out and
pastel (to me). Magnavox sold a couple of very similar monitors...but with
TV-type phosphors. I still use one of these (a model 8CM505), but a varient
that has only composite and CGA-compononent (RGsB) inputs. The 2080 (and my
8CM505) both have picture size controls that can be adjusted to produce
underscan.
Both of the 1072s I own are in almost daily use, as is the Magnavox...and thay
all work just fine for me. Don't know what I'll do when they fail. Buy some
real monitors, maybe.
Paul Weber
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Jukka Aho
> I had a 1084 [625/50/PAL] I used one until recently
A PAL 1084 can also sync to 525/60, although it can only handle PAL
(and RGB) color.
> Unfortunately it gave up the ghost (suspect LOPT stage kaputt),
> and I had to get rid of it as there was no-one who could fix it,
> and I don't have the kit to work on monitors safely.
The service manual for Philips CM8833 (which I believe is the same
basic design) is on the web somewhere. I could look up the link if
you are interested.
-- znark
Chuck Baker
A Commodore or Amiga (which is also Commodore) monitor can be a
reasonable option for the low prices they can normally be found these
days, if the monitor is in good working order. I wouldn't say flawless
by any means. The 1084S models offer the convenience of stereo sounds
output, and can be found used for $50 on a pretty regular basis.
Getting a look at the output and making sure the adjustments can still
work to properly to calibrate the monitor is a good idea. I've got
three of these in my workstation suite, and two have pretty nice
displays while one is pretty soft, can't quite come true on the color
bars, and so is only usable as preview for switching.
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wrote:
>"mr. smith" wrote:
>> I've read many posts a some websites claiming that old commodore 64 monitor
>> have perfect, flawless quality and reproduction for video editing. Can
>> anyone with any experience give some feedback or verify if this is true?
>> Also, are all the models good for editing?
>A Commodore or Amiga (which is also Commodore) monitor can be a
>reasonable option for the low prices they can normally be found these
>days, if the monitor is in good working order. I wouldn't say flawless
>by any means.
What monitor is? But if you're not ready to buy a studio reference
monitor from Sony or someone, and want something more flexible and
perhaps sharper than a small TV for your computer video setup, the
Amiga/Commodore monitors aren't bad.
In the Commodore case, the 1701 monitor was very nice. As with any
other monitor for the Commodore 64, this will accept either composite
or split chroma/luma input (via dual RCA jacks -- no one had defined
the S-Video connector back in 1981). The 1702 monitor was not as good;
it was a cost reduction, but they went a bit far. With that said, if
you're looking for a good TV-compatible monitor, it's still as good as
any old TV, with more adjustments available, so you can control
overscan, etc.
>The 1084S models offer the convenience of stereo sounds
>output, and can be found used for $50 on a pretty regular basis.
There were lots of Amiga monitors. Probably the best monitor for the
Amiga was the 1070, but that was RGB-only, based on a Hitachi design.
That was only available very early on, most developers used them. The
1080 was the mainstream Amiga monitor in the early days, and therre
was a spinoff, the 1902/1902A., for the Commodore 128, which was
essentially the same model (the latter ones had RGB Analog disabled,
since people were buying these for Amiga use early on, at a better
price). I don't recall who made the guts of this one, but it was a
decent monitor.
The 1084 line was during the time we joked about "monitor of the
month" at Commodore, as they seemed to be testing a different OEM all
the time. There are mono-speaker and stereo-speaker versions of the
1084, some made by Philips, some made by Daewoo. I was never crazy
about any of the 1084s as a computer monitor, but as with the 1702, I
think they'd make fine video monitors.
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> What monitor is? But if you're not ready to buy a studio reference
> monitor from Sony
Sony LMAO semipro these are just trinitron tubes..
stick to a Barco
> or someone, and want something more flexible and
> perhaps sharper than a small TV for your computer video setup, the
> Amiga/Commodore monitors aren't bad.
>
>
well good news at least i can get my c64 up from the basement, only prob is i'll
prob play defender of the crown more often then that i'll use it for video
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> >
> > What monitor is? But if you're not ready to buy a studio reference
> > monitor from Sony
>
> Sony LMAO semipro these are just trinitron tubes..
> stick to a Barco
>
are great, I can't back that up. The one I was using with the
Amiga (I bought it used) really s**ked, and my only other
experiance wasn't that great either.
If you want to stick to something, try an Ikegami. I've
always felt I could trust them to show me the errors,
if the video was bad, and looked real nice if the video
was good (Sonys and Panasonics are noted for their
ability to hide stuff from you). Of course, you won't find
one of those for $50 either (I bought one used for $2000,
but it was a pretty high end unit($5000)) and I loved it.
I bought another one on Ebay for $200 but it was broken
and not worth repairing (I haven't done very well on Ebay).
I just bought one of their lower end 20" units for $2500,
and it seems fine.
David
>
> > or someone, and want something more flexible and
> > perhaps sharper than a small TV for your computer video setup, the
> > Amiga/Commodore monitors aren't bad.
> >
> >
>
> well good news at least i can get my c64 up from the basement, only prob is i'll
> prob play defender of the crown more often then that i'll use it for video
>
> g
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> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:26:28 GMT, Chuck Baker <chuck...@newtek.com>
> wrote:
<snip>
Chuck Baker
>
> Chuck Baker and Dave Haynie having a discussion about Commodore monitors...
> is this a great monday, or what? ;)
>
> -Mike (big fan of both these guys ;)
(turns beet red) Ah, I'm just a tech schlep though. I feel a little
embarrassed being mentioned in the same breath as Dave Haynie, who
happens to be a pretty terrific engineer, and is definitely the
authority to heed in this conversation.
Chuck (big fan of Dave - so who picked the quotes for the schematic
pages? "I wait in this place where the sun never shines...";)
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>
> If you want to stick to something, try an Ikegami.
Only used them once when i was still doing camera shading, i still prefer the barco.
but when editing i actually look on the el cheapo grundig tv monitor the most, if it
looks good there it looks good at home.
At home i'm using a philips surveillance monitor (s-video, looks great)
ciao
gary
>
>
> David
>
> >
> > > or someone, and want something more flexible and
> > > perhaps sharper than a small TV for your computer video setup, the
> > > Amiga/Commodore monitors aren't bad.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > well good news at least i can get my c64 up from the basement, only prob is i'll
> > prob play defender of the crown more often then that i'll use it for video
> >
> > g
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shooting - while their innards and screens probably aren't anything special,
at least they can resolve at Y/C level using a dualRCA-miniDIN4 adpator used
for MIDI etc and sold by the Tandy/Radio Shack/Dick Smith (Australia) type
outfits. They are one step better than relying on PC screen monitor
windows - and I picked up mine usually with an Amiga 500 for typically
AUD$50 (that's USD$25 folks). I actually sold one of the 500s for $35 -
which meant my 1084 cost me in that case $20. Not bad!! :)
Lately, folk selling these have been asking $100-150 Australian (for Amiga
with monitor) but I have no idea what the actual selling price was.
My comments apply to the Perth, Western Australian market - which is
somewhat isolated (like about 3,000km - 2,000miles) from Australia's other
main secondhand markets.
HTH
David Winter
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: Thanks, Dave! :) [awed!]
Mark
wrote:
I found a small cache of Apple !!E monitors (free) and they work
great. I use one for my character generator, one each for my three
cameras and one each for the VCR monitors. I use good new monitors
for final playback and on air monitoring.
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"But it wasn't a rock... it was a ROCK LOBSTER". Now I do the same thing in
my schematics, not that impressionable young ECEs are reading any of them...
(Hey, forget the quotes, does anyone remember when documentation HAD
schematics in the back? ;)
Cheers to Chuck ("An Army of One" ;), Dave, and all the other folks we
aspire to.
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The only thing that I can add is that the 1701 monitors generally used
a JVC picture tube, while the 1702's generally used a Hitachi picture
tube. I say "generally" only because I have only opened a handful of
these monitors.
I agree that the 1701 monitor was slightly better than the 1702.
However, given the vintage of these monitors, and the degredation of
image quality over time, I would be surprised if you could tell much
difference between the two models.
I have been using a 1702 monitor for "television" viewing for the last
10 or more years with a VCR, so I will have to assume that since the
final output would be similar, it would be just as good for this
application.
Good luck!
Steven
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>On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:26:28 GMT, Chuck Baker <chuck...@newtek.com>
Todd Gamel
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> Dave seems to really know his Commodore monitors!
>
> 10 or more years with a VCR, so I will have to assume that since the
> final output would be similar, it would be just as good for this
> application.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Steven
>
as a monitor on my ananlog editing system, good monitors, unfortunately it
died, if anyone knows where I could get a cheap replacement here in Dallas,
Texas I would appreciate it....
----> Todd <----
Dave Haynie
>Dave seems to really know his Commodore monitors!
I worked at Commodore for 11.5 years.
>The only thing that I can add is that the 1701 monitors generally used
>a JVC picture tube, while the 1702's generally used a Hitachi picture
>tube. I say "generally" only because I have only opened a handful of
>these monitors.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were the same across production --
things got kind of nutty in later years, but back then, they were much
more stable.
>I agree that the 1701 monitor was slightly better than the 1702.
>However, given the vintage of these monitors, and the degredation of
>image quality over time, I would be surprised if you could tell much
>difference between the two models.
Probably true. Also, the 1701 _feels_ more substantial, it's heavier
and runs hotter, but that's largely just a power supply issue, not
related to image quality.
>I have been using a 1702 monitor for "television" viewing for the last
>10 or more years with a VCR, so I will have to assume that since the
>final output would be similar, it would be just as good for this
>application.
After I stopped using the C64/C128, I set my old 1701 monitor up with
a Radio Shack tuner, for a top notch small-TV experience. It
eventually become a hand-me-down through the family
Dave Haynie | Chief Toady, Frog Pond Media Consulting
Doug Hoy
dha...@jersey.net (Dave Haynie) wrote:
> After I stopped using the C64/C128, I set my old 1701 monitor up with
> a Radio Shack tuner, for a top notch small-TV experience. It
> eventually become a hand-me-down through the family
Dave,
How are the 1902A's as s-video monitors, once you make up a cable? I
have an old one lying around.
Doug H