Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

BNP wins another

0 views
Skip to first unread message

Mike CJ

unread,
Aug 14, 2003, 7:38:09 PM8/14/03
to
David Exley wins the Heckmondwike by-election for Kirklees council in West
Yorkshire, beating the Liberal Demoprats into second place.
Mike.

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 14-Aug-2003

The Technical Manager

unread,
Aug 14, 2003, 9:03:26 PM8/14/03
to
Mike CJ wrote:

> David Exley wins the Heckmondwike by-election for Kirklees council in West
> Yorkshire, beating the Liberal Demoprats into second place.

A high turnout as well. Labour performed poorly being beaten by the Lib-Dems
and an independent.

Jon°

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 4:33:36 AM8/15/03
to
"And if they may once pass, the parliamentary gate, what hope to save
corrupt British politicians"?
(Horatius, is standing as BNP candidate for Westminster)
"Mike CJ" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:bhh6h9$p12j$1@ID-


Tera

unread,
Aug 14, 2003, 11:24:45 PM8/14/03
to
On 15 Aug 2003, "Mike CJ" <m...@privacy.net> wrote (in newsgroups
alt.politics.british,alt.politics.uk,uk.gov.local,uk.politics.misc) :

>beating the Liberal Demoprats into second place

whilst your views on the LD seem obvious, at least they were second,
not third or even further behind. At a guess you support the BNP,
but that may be wrong, of course.

adrian

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 12:32:19 PM8/15/03
to
We need the BNP here in Northampton - we are getting swamped with illegal migrants.

Chris X

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 1:11:55 PM8/15/03
to

"adrian" <adr...@bonni.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:463826e2.03081...@posting.google.com...

> We need the BNP here in Northampton - we are getting swamped with illegal
migrants.

For the first time since 1999 everyone will get the chance to vote for the
BNP - the difference this time being that we really do HAVE a chance of
winning, although we can only achieve it with your help - be it actively or
financially. All those enquirers who contact the party and ask "when can we
have the chance to vote BNP in our area" will have their wish fulfilled next
June.

Voters will be backing a unique range of candidates in the BNP - candidates
whose intentions in being elected aren't merely to get their collective
snouts in the trough, like the other parties. BNP MEPs will be going to
Brussels to expose the frauds, scandals and misuse of taxes by our European
rulers, to root out corruption and blow the whistle on the swindlers and
crooks. Unlike UKIP's 3 sitting MEPs who have found themselves isolated and
ineffective, our MEPs will work with elected representatives from patriotic
parties in other European state's with whom we already enjoy cordial
relations. A Pan-European Nationalist Bloc will be far more effective than
one or two MEPs working alone.

"My friends, do live in that sense that you are Englishmen, that you are
Europeans, that you have come from people who have faced tremendous odds
again and again, that much is against you, but you've got within you that
will, that spirit of awe, that faith, that belief, which will lead the
generations to come to look back in the pages of history with the proud
words 'To England, to Britain, to Europe, they were true!' "

http://www.bnp.org.uk/elections/elections2003/start.htm
http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies.html
http://www.bnp.org.uk/policy/policy_forum.htm
http://www.bnp.org.uk/faq.html


holly

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 2:56:36 PM8/15/03
to
adrian wrote:

> We need the BNP here in Northampton - we are getting swamped with illegal
> migrants.

you should be grateful that you don't have the BNP.

J. A.

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 5:07:55 PM8/15/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhjad3$p10$2...@titan.btinternet.com>...

YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL that you haven't been run out of this fine
country YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!

Lord Haw-Haw

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 5:40:35 PM8/15/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhjad3$p10$2...@titan.btinternet.com>...


You should ask yourself why they are not gratefull. Should they be
gratefull for a class sytem that doesn't give them a chance.

Be reassured, the BNP stand no chance because democracy is total
illusion. Britain is ruled quietly by freemasons (aristocratic
families, security agencies). Its politicians do the bidding of the
masters. The BNP is currently permitted a voice because the Punch and
Judy show must go on. Why if we didn't watch the show we may just
identify the projectionists..

Peace and long life.


Chantelle.

holly

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 5:59:14 PM8/15/03
to
J. A. wrote:

I wasn't expecting an intellectual argument in response. But thanks for
demonstrating why people should be grateful that they don't have the BNP.

Gaz

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 8:31:47 PM8/15/03
to

"adrian" <adr...@bonni.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:463826e2.03081...@posting.google.com...
> We need the BNP here in Northampton - we are getting swamped with illegal
migrants.

The Government seems to have fallen into a trap, in that areas where the BNP
where succesful, have been avoided as areas for dispersal of economic
migrants claiming Asylum.

The BNP victors can claim that vote for them, and your area will not be
further colonised by immigrants. Not a good sign, considering how fed up
voters are with the traditional parties.

Gaz

Paul Hyett

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 3:34:26 AM8/16/03
to
In uk.politics.misc on Fri, 15 Aug 2003 at 09:32:19, adrian wrote :

>We need the BNP here in Northampton - we are getting swamped with illegal
>migrants.

As a matter of interest, what do you expect the BNP to be able to do
about that?
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham, England

poster

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 5:13:40 PM8/15/03
to

"Mike CJ" <m...@privacy.net> wrote ...

> David Exley wins the Heckmondwike by-election for Kirklees council in West
> Yorkshire, beating the Liberal Demoprats into second place.

It was a pure fluke, given that the Labour vote was split between Tim
Crowther
and Florence Smith. I just hope that when there are other BNP candidates
in future, someone will back down from forcing such a split, given the very
negative situation which they may cause, such as this result.

Kirklees MBC, West Yorkshire Heckmondwike
BNP 1607 (27.7;+27.7), LD 1493 (25.8;+3.9), Ind 1147 (19.8;+19.8),
Lab 982 (16.9;-22.9), Con 490 (8.5;-22.9), Green 76 (1.3;-5.6)
Majority 114. Turnout 43.8%.

I don't think a majority of 114 is enough for this "victory" to be
proclaimed without challenge, but I guess those supporting the
BNP have to enjoy the infrequent opportunities they get.

J. A.

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 9:44:44 AM8/16/03
to
"Gaz" <gaz...@msn.com> wrote in message news:<bhju1o$c1vu$1...@ID-49507.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> "adrian" <adr...@bonni.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:463826e2.03081...@posting.google.com...
> > We need the BNP here in Northampton - we are getting swamped with illegal
> migrants.
>
> The Government seems to have fallen into a trap, in that areas where the BNP
> where succesful, have been avoided as areas for dispersal of economic
> migrants claiming Asylum.

The government seems to be corrupt you stupid pathetic marxist. Get
that thru your thick skull. The nulabour government needs to be HANGED
FOR TREASON!

Integration is genocide.
Marxist economy is genocide.
Our rights are disappearing into thin air.
Our soldiers are dying for zionist pigs.

WHERE's THE "trap" ASSHOLE???

J. A.

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 9:46:21 AM8/16/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhjl3i$83j$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>...


You'll get your intellectual argument from my boot when it kicks your
ass OUT OF EUROPE!!!

Lord Haw-Haw

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 9:57:59 AM8/16/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhjl3i$83j$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>...


Yeh, New Labour just do Iraqis.

And that is OK, as they are very proper about it.

I would never vote for anyone that showed emotion.

Lord Haw-Haw

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 10:13:05 AM8/16/03
to
thee_pr...@yahoo.com (J. A.) wrote in message news:<b123cd8.03081...@posting.google.com>...


The thing with Britain is it happens to be a little Island offa
Europe, Nice for hols, expensive, not a lot of work (all of it
useless). Getting all nationalistic about it is like the Isle of
Manners wanting their own military. Amusing.

Lord Haw-Haw

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 10:16:00 AM8/16/03
to
"Mike CJ" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<bhh6h9$p12j$1...@ID-152947.news.uni-berlin.de>...

> David Exley wins the Heckmondwike by-election for Kirklees council in West
> Yorkshire, beating the Liberal Demoprats into second place.
> Mike.


Not good. We need One People, One Nation, One TBlair.

Lord Haw-Haw

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 10:30:23 AM8/16/03
to
Democracy is the illusion designed to make you think you have a
chance. Power is never sacrificed that easily. Power was never gotten
via the ballot box.


"Chris X" <chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message news:<DcKdncZkiL9...@giganews.com>...

holly

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 11:38:24 AM8/16/03
to
J. A. wrote:

> holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:<bhjl3i$83j$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>...
>> J. A. wrote:
>>
>> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> > news:<bhjad3$p10$2...@titan.btinternet.com>...
>> >> adrian wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > We need the BNP here in Northampton - we are getting swamped with
>> >> > illegal migrants.
>> >>
>> >> you should be grateful that you don't have the BNP.
>> >
>> > YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL that you haven't been run out of this fine
>> > country YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!
>>
>> I wasn't expecting an intellectual argument in response. But thanks for
>> demonstrating why people should be grateful that they don't have the BNP.
>
> You'll get your intellectual argument from my boot when it kicks your
> ass OUT OF EUROPE!!!

Have you eaten something that's disagrees with you?

Do you intend to deport everyone who doesn't support the BNP?

J. A.

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 1:11:09 PM8/16/03
to
lord_h...@hotmail.com (Lord Haw-Haw) wrote in message news:<f9add58a.03081...@posting.google.com>...


You pathetic self-hating marxist.
Integration is genocide.
Armies are meant to PREVENT INVASIONS.
You FOLLOW???

Have a little pride in yourself before you talk stupid.
You marxists believe in ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
Why?
Because MARXISM IS A MOVEMENT OF DESTRUCTION!!!
Nothing more.

Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted

J. A.

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 6:10:19 PM8/16/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> Do you intend to deport everyone who doesn't support the BNP?

No Brit wants to hear your marxist bullshit NOW GET THE FUCK OUT

holly

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 7:16:09 PM8/16/03
to
J. A. wrote:

I take that as a yes.

perhaps you can explain what advantages a government of loud mouthed empty
heads like yourself has to offer.

holly

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 7:17:15 PM8/16/03
to
abelard wrote:
>
> You pathetic self-hating marxist.
> Integration is genocide.
> Armies are meant to PREVENT INVASIONS.
> You FOLLOW???
>
> Have a little pride in yourself before you talk stupid.
> You marxists believe in ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!
> Why?
> Because MARXISM IS A MOVEMENT OF DESTRUCTION!!!
> Nothing more.

You were better without the caps lock.

holly

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 7:18:43 PM8/16/03
to
kit spanos wrote:

> thee_pr...@yahoo.com (J. A.) wrote in message
> news:<b123cd8.03081...@posting.google.com>...

> Good come-back JA, you obviously know how to pack these leftwing
> scum into oblivion ;)

Your obvious education and breeding shines through.


Lord Haw-Haw

unread,
Aug 17, 2003, 1:24:43 AM8/17/03
to
spa...@yahoo.co.uk (kit spanos) wrote in message news:<f01ff3fb.03081...@posting.google.com>...

> thee_pr...@yahoo.com (J. A.) wrote in message news:<b123cd8.03081...@posting.google.com>...
> Good come-back JA, you obviously know how to pack these leftwing
> scum into oblivion ;)

There are foreign invaders in our land.

Air bases and spy stations of the foreign invaders have sprung up over
the last 60 years.

Will you repel the invaders?

But you do promise to deport non-authoritarian liberals, right?

Jon°

unread,
Aug 17, 2003, 8:17:45 AM8/17/03
to
What a cucking-funt you really are.
"Lord Haw-Haw" <lord_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message


J. A.

unread,
Aug 17, 2003, 9:20:56 AM8/17/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhmdvp$r97$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...

You're the one subverting society. You do not deserve freedom of speech.

Message has been deleted

holly

unread,
Aug 17, 2003, 7:33:21 PM8/17/03
to
J. A. wrote:

> holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:<bhmdvp$r97$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
>> J. A. wrote:
>>
>> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> Do you intend to deport everyone who doesn't support the BNP?
>> >
>> > No Brit wants to hear your marxist bullshit NOW GET THE FUCK OUT
>>
>> I take that as a yes.
>>
>> perhaps you can explain what advantages a government of loud mouthed
>> empty heads like yourself has to offer.
>
> You're the one subverting society. You do not deserve freedom of speech.

It would be interesting to know what it is that could possibly be defined as
subverting society, unless you consider yourself personally to represent
society.

holly

unread,
Aug 17, 2003, 7:34:17 PM8/17/03
to
kit spanos wrote:

> holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message

> news:<bhme4i$r97$3...@titan.btinternet.com>...

> i was being sarcastic

So was I.

Lord Haw-Haw

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 7:03:41 AM8/18/03
to
> holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Do you intend to deport everyone who doesn't support the BNP?
>
> No Brit wants to hear your marxist bullshit NOW GET THE FUCK OUT

Marxist, there's a big word. Guess you could call me a Groucho Marxist
- if a group would accept me then I wouldn't want to join.

Lord Haw-Haw

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 7:09:24 AM8/18/03
to
"Jon°" <jon_j...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3f3f...@212.67.96.135>...

> What a cucking-funt you really are.
> "Lord Haw-Haw" <lord_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

I take it you are the BNP leader? You got a funny way of trying to win
support. You people would be erradicated in half a day should you ever
aspire to anything other than getting pissed and upturning a few
dustbins of a friday night.

I am not impressed.

J. A.

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 9:33:31 AM8/18/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhp3c1$lcs$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...

> J. A. wrote:
>
> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:<bhmdvp$r97$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
> >> J. A. wrote:
> >>
> >> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you intend to deport everyone who doesn't support the BNP?
> >> >
> >> > No Brit wants to hear your marxist bullshit NOW GET THE FUCK OUT
> >>
> >> I take that as a yes.
> >>
> >> perhaps you can explain what advantages a government of loud mouthed
> >> empty heads like yourself has to offer.
> >
> > You're the one subverting society. You do not deserve freedom of speech.
>
> It would be interesting to know what it is that could possibly be defined as
> subverting society, unless you consider yourself personally to represent
> society.


Your entire leftwing treasonous marxist agenda, you fool.

Jon°

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 10:03:08 AM8/18/03
to
The only group that may accept you would be a gay kitchen in a curry house
where they all spat in the soup.

David Larkman

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 10:05:34 AM8/18/03
to
"J. A." <thee_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b123cd8.03081...@posting.google.com...
Hey, J.A., aren't you an American from some inbred corner of Deliverance
County ? Where do you learn all your knee jerk claptrap about the tiny BNP
organisation in the UK ? They are a worrying group of people, but nowhere
as loopy as your survivalist friends in the Ku Klux Klan.

David Larkman


J. A.

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 12:38:13 PM8/18/03
to
"David Larkman" <david....@lineone.net> wrote in message news:<bhqmg1$26m6k$1...@ID-163036.news.uni-berlin.de>...

Aren't you the same anti-American bastard that slings baseless
accusations about any White Person who sticks up for his own as being
involved in the kkk? What you only have one come-back line on your
recording? Oh and deliverance makes two! Very good for you little boy!
I got 14 words for you!

holly

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 1:19:56 PM8/18/03
to
J. A. wrote:

> "David Larkman" <david....@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:<bhqmg1$26m6k$1...@ID-163036.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>> "J. A." <thee_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:b123cd8.03081...@posting.google.com...
>> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:<bhp3c1$lcs$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
>> > > J. A. wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> > > > news:<bhmdvp$r97$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
>> > > >> J. A. wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> > > >> >>
>> > > >> >> Do you intend to deport everyone who doesn't support the BNP?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > No Brit wants to hear your marxist bullshit NOW GET THE FUCK OUT
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I take that as a yes.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> perhaps you can explain what advantages a government of loud
>> > > >> mouthed empty heads like yourself has to offer.
>> > > >
>> > > > You're the one subverting society. You do not deserve freedom of
>> speech.
>> > >
>> > > It would be interesting to know what it is that could possibly be
>> defined as
>> > > subverting society, unless you consider yourself personally to
>> > > represent society.
>> >
>> >
>> > Your entire leftwing treasonous marxist agenda, you fool.

I don't have an agenda. I can't imagine that anything I wrote could be
thought of as Marxist (except by abelard who thinks that every one is a
marxist if they disagree with him.)


J. A.

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 4:35:59 PM8/18/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
I don't have an agenda. I can't imagine that anything I wrote could
be
> thought of as Marxist (except by abelard who thinks that every one is a
> marxist if they disagree with him.)

Then tell me, do you reject race and nation? religion? Do you support
progressive taxes? Free trade? Globalism? Or other stupid marxist
plans?

Robin Carmody

unread,
Aug 18, 2003, 9:21:06 PM8/18/03
to
"holly" <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:bhr1rs$19h$5...@hercules.btinternet.com...

No, that's Wotan's line, surely?

Abelard's stock insult is "socialist", applied to everyone from John Major
to Saddam Hussein ...

RC


holly

unread,
Aug 19, 2003, 4:31:44 AM8/19/03
to
J. A. wrote:

> holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> I don't have an agenda. I can't imagine that anything I wrote could
> be
>> thought of as Marxist (except by abelard who thinks that every one is a
>> marxist if they disagree with him.)
>
> Then tell me, do you reject race

There is no such thing as race. Therefore there is nothing political, or
otherwise, one can say about it.

> and nation?

The world has largely outgrown the concept. Attempts to embody nationalism
in policy inevitably result in disaster.

> religion?

Each to their own although I would prefer that the state didn't have one.
OTOH I stopped for evensong at Lichfield Cathedral last week and other than
the choir and tourists, the congregation was less than a dozen.

> Do you support
> progressive taxes?

Do you understand progressive taxation?

>Free trade?

You mean that people should, in general, be free to buy and sell to and from
whoever they please?

> Globalism?

What's that then?

> Or other stupid marxist plans?

You have a very strange idea of what constitutes Marxism.

holly

unread,
Aug 19, 2003, 4:58:48 AM8/19/03
to
Robin Carmody wrote:

>> >> > Your entire leftwing treasonous marxist agenda, you fool.
>>
>> I don't have an agenda. I can't imagine that anything I wrote could be
>> thought of as Marxist (except by abelard who thinks that every one is a
>> marxist if they disagree with him.)
>
> No, that's Wotan's line, surely?
>
> Abelard's stock insult is "socialist", applied to everyone from John Major
> to Saddam Hussein ...

I see it as no more than a nuance. Wotan and Abelard are really very
similar. They are both idiologues. They seem troubled by socialist or
marxist 'enemies'. Marxism is a very specific ideology which has not really
been attempted anywhere. The old USSR produced tons of Marxist
interpretations for export but didn't actually work that way ever. All
dictators like to cloak themselves in what they believe to be intellectual
finery.

But Marxism couldn't work really because it is based on a whole series of
misunderstandings.

If Marx has any value it is in his belief that human behaviour can be
understood if it is analysed scientifically. Among other things, Marx
lacked the maths. His statement "I am not a Marxist" and his rejection of
ideology suggests that despite his limitations, he was aware of the dangers
of blindly following the latest rhetorical fad.

Socialism by itself is a meaningless term. There are just too many different
approaches and ideals which, ultimately, require and acquire their own
label.

A pragmatist will pick and mix from ideas to suit circumstances. There is no
one way of approaching a problem.

J. A.

unread,
Aug 19, 2003, 9:46:57 AM8/19/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhsn9g$t3i$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...

> J. A. wrote:
>
> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > I don't have an agenda. I can't imagine that anything I wrote could
> > be
> >> thought of as Marxist (except by abelard who thinks that every one is a
> >> marxist if they disagree with him.)
> >
> > Then tell me, do you reject race
>
> There is no such thing as race. Therefore there is nothing political, or
> otherwise, one can say about it.

That's what Marxism teaches.



> > and nation?
>
> The world has largely outgrown the concept. Attempts to embody nationalism
> in policy inevitably result in disaster.

That's what Marxism teaches.



> > religion?
>
> Each to their own although I would prefer that the state didn't have one.

That's what Marxism teaches.

> > Do you support
> > progressive taxes?
>
> Do you understand progressive taxation?

hmmm? Stopped answering questions have we??? Could it be that we've
found you out you MARXIST PIG!



> >Free trade?
>
> You mean that people should, in general, be free to buy and sell to and from
> whoever they please?
>
> > Globalism?
>
> What's that then?
>
> > Or other stupid marxist plans?
>
> You have a very strange idea of what constitutes Marxism.

DON"T PLAY DUMB WITH ME. I have read the Communist Manifesto and much
of the marxist literature. It is scarcely different from what the
lefties are doing today. That is why you stopped answering questions
isn't it? You don't want you and your lefties to be found out! Now I
suppose you're going to say that no one has ever attempted marxism and
that it looks so good on paper! BULLSHIT on both counts.

holly

unread,
Aug 19, 2003, 10:41:03 AM8/19/03
to
J. A. wrote:

> holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:<bhsn9g$t3i$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
>> J. A. wrote:
>>
>> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> > I don't have an agenda. I can't imagine that anything I wrote could
>> > be
>> >> thought of as Marxist (except by abelard who thinks that every one is
>> >> a marxist if they disagree with him.)
>> >
>> > Then tell me, do you reject race
>>
>> There is no such thing as race. Therefore there is nothing political, or
>> otherwise, one can say about it.
>
> That's what Marxism teaches.

If it does then it's simply repeating the obvious fact that there is nothing
that distinguishes people in any way that could be described as a race.
Nothing at all to do with Marxism,


>
>> > and nation?
>>
>> The world has largely outgrown the concept. Attempts to embody
>> nationalism in policy inevitably result in disaster.
>
> That's what Marxism teaches.

It's the nature of the world we live in. If Marxists realise that then
that's a coincidence.


>
>> > religion?
>>
>> Each to their own although I would prefer that the state didn't have one.
>
> That's what Marxism teaches.

I thought that Marxists were mostly atheists and hostile to religious
beliefs.



>> > Do you support
>> > progressive taxes?
>>
>> Do you understand progressive taxation?
>
> hmmm? Stopped answering questions have we??? Could it be that we've
> found you out you MARXIST PIG!

It seems that I've found you out. You don't even understand the concept that
you're arguing about.

>
>> >Free trade?
>>
>> You mean that people should, in general, be free to buy and sell to and
>> from whoever they please?
>>
>> > Globalism?
>>
>> What's that then?
>>
>> > Or other stupid marxist plans?
>>
>> You have a very strange idea of what constitutes Marxism.
>
> DON"T PLAY DUMB WITH ME.

You're the dumb one.

I have read the Communist Manifesto


That was written bu Engels and is a tad out of date.

and much
> of the marxist literature. It is scarcely different from what the
> lefties are doing today.

It bears little relation to anything that happens anywhere today. You are
simply deluded.

> That is why you stopped answering questions isn't it?

I asked a few that you seem unable or unwilling to answer.

> You don't want you and your lefties to be found out!

Um, are you on medication? This is a public forum, not a hiding place.

>Now I
> suppose you're going to say that no one has ever attempted marxism and
> that it looks so good on paper! BULLSHIT on both counts.

Well Lenin is recorded as saying that there is nothing in the works of Marx
that gives you any clue as to how to run a country. This is of course true.
People run countries, not ideologies.

J. A.

unread,
Aug 19, 2003, 2:23:02 PM8/19/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhtctu$5j9$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...

> J. A. wrote:
>
> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:<bhsn9g$t3i$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
> >> J. A. wrote:
> >>
> >> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> >> > I don't have an agenda. I can't imagine that anything I wrote could
> >> > be
> >> >> thought of as Marxist (except by abelard who thinks that every one is
> >> >> a marxist if they disagree with him.)
> >> >
> >> > Then tell me, do you reject race
> >>
> >> There is no such thing as race. Therefore there is nothing political, or
> >> otherwise, one can say about it.
> >
> > That's what Marxism teaches.
>
> If it does then it's simply repeating the obvious fact that there is nothing
> that distinguishes people in any way that could be described as a race.
> Nothing at all to do with Marxism,

You are so FAKE. Marxism and Trotskyism is what started this whole
"racism" bullshit and the myth that race does not exist. Before that
IT WAS ACCEPTED BY ALL.

PEOPLE LIKE YOU MUST BE DRIVEN FROM OUR LANDS.



> >> > and nation?
> >>
> >> The world has largely outgrown the concept. Attempts to embody
> >> nationalism in policy inevitably result in disaster.

YOU ARE A DISASTER. GLOBALISM IS A DISASTER. Your marxist policies
have for an ultimate goal the destruction of the WHITE RACE. YOU
STUPID MARXIST BASTARD.



> > That's what Marxism teaches.
>
> It's the nature of the world we live in. If Marxists realise that then
> that's a coincidence.
> >
> >> > religion?
> >>
> >> Each to their own although I would prefer that the state didn't have one.
> >
> > That's what Marxism teaches.
>
> I thought that Marxists were mostly atheists and hostile to religious
> beliefs.

YOU FINALLY AGREE YOU MARXIST BASTARD



> >> > Do you support
> >> > progressive taxes?
> >>
> >> Do you understand progressive taxation?
> >
> > hmmm? Stopped answering questions have we??? Could it be that we've
> > found you out you MARXIST PIG!
>
> It seems that I've found you out. You don't even understand the concept that
> you're arguing about.

BULLSHIT NIGGERBRAIN. Taxes have PROGRESSED since 1945 from 2% of
earnings to over 40%!!!!!!!!!! HELLO????



> >
> >> >Free trade?
> >>
> >> You mean that people should, in general, be free to buy and sell to and
> >> from whoever they please?

NO ASSHOLE

> >> > Globalism?
> >>
> >> What's that then?
> >>
> >> > Or other stupid marxist plans?
> >>
> >> You have a very strange idea of what constitutes Marxism.

LOL:



> > DON"T PLAY DUMB WITH ME.
>
> You're the dumb one.
>
> I have read the Communist Manifesto
>
>
> That was written bu Engels and is a tad out of date.

IDIOT LIAR STRIKES AGAIN.



> and much
> > of the marxist literature. It is scarcely different from what the
> > lefties are doing today.
>
> It bears little relation to anything that happens anywhere today. You are
> simply deluded.
>
> > That is why you stopped answering questions isn't it?
>
> I asked a few that you seem unable or unwilling to answer.
>
> > You don't want you and your lefties to be found out!
>
> Um, are you on medication? This is a public forum, not a hiding place.
>
> >Now I
> > suppose you're going to say that no one has ever attempted marxism and
> > that it looks so good on paper! BULLSHIT on both counts.
>
> Well Lenin is recorded as saying that there is nothing in the works of Marx
> that gives you any clue as to how to run a country. This is of course true.
> People run countries, not ideologies.


YOU ARE FUCKING TRASH

Britain needs another HITLER!

J. A.

unread,
Aug 20, 2003, 9:32:03 AM8/20/03
to
This is where holly & friends are coming from:

www.racetraitor.org/

They are part of the Red Menace.

You know what the punishment for treason is boys and girls?

Mike CJ

unread,
Aug 20, 2003, 3:19:00 PM8/20/03
to
"Tera" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:4e4161f98fff6a5f...@news.teranews.com...
> On 15 Aug 2003, "Mike CJ" <m...@privacy.net> wrote (in newsgroups
> alt.politics.british,alt.politics.uk,uk.gov.local,uk.politics.misc) :
>
> >beating the Liberal Demoprats into second place
>
> whilst your views on the LD seem obvious, at least they were second,
> not third or even further behind. At a guess you support the BNP,
> but that may be wrong, of course.

I don't support the BNP (although they do have some very good ideas) or any
other party (I will probably vote Conservative at the next G.E.), however I
believe that in the right areas the BNP can be used as a tool to destroy
NuLabour's share of the votes, however I have no love at all for the LibDems
because if they got in to power we would see huge tax increases way beyond
Blair & Brown, also the LibDems have a total fool in their midst i.e. Simon
Hughes.
Mike.

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19-Aug-2003

holly

unread,
Aug 20, 2003, 4:46:43 PM8/20/03
to
J. A. wrote:

> This is where holly & friends are coming from:
>
> www.racetraitor.org/

Did you write all of that bollocks yourself.

It is probably a sign of mental illness if you feel the need to create
someone who says what your delusions tell you and then believe what they
say.

> They are part of the Red Menace.

Is that a dance troupe?

> You know what the punishment for treason is boys and girls?

Are you going to hang yourself for writning that crap?

Paul Leake

unread,
Aug 22, 2003, 9:25:54 AM8/22/03
to
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, poster wrote:

> I just hope that when there are other BNP candidates
> in future, someone will back down from forcing such a split, given the very
> negative situation which they may cause, such as this result.

I think once people realise what BNP councillors do for their areas,
they'll lose their seats anyway. The BNP lost Millwall quickly, and have
already lost elections in two of the other seats that they hold.

Chers,
Paul


Paul Leake

unread,
Aug 22, 2003, 9:36:40 AM8/22/03
to
On 19 Aug 2003, J. A. wrote:

> You are so FAKE. Marxism and Trotskyism is what started this whole
> "racism" bullshit and the myth that race does not exist. Before that
> IT WAS ACCEPTED BY ALL.

Not really - religion was far more an issue.

Cheers,
Paul

J. A.

unread,
Aug 22, 2003, 6:46:24 PM8/22/03
to
Paul Leake <pa...@pinkstuff.transformers.org.uk> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.21.03082...@pinkstuff.publication.org.uk>...

Show me where the word 'racist' appears in the bible? The word hadn't
even been invented yet. Show me where it says that we must live in and
accept a multiracial society to get into paradise? Oh, you cannot, ha?
You can however trace where the Vatican 2 adopted the Marxist agenda,
starting at around 1958.

J. A.

unread,
Aug 22, 2003, 6:49:26 PM8/22/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bi0mni$dak$5...@titan.btinternet.com>...

> J. A. wrote:
>
> > This is where holly & friends are coming from:
> >
> > www.racetraitor.org/
>
> Did you write all of that bollocks yourself.

Look at what these lefties do. That link is what you believe in. Don't
deny it, we all know what you're up to asshole.

holly

unread,
Aug 22, 2003, 7:19:37 PM8/22/03
to
J. A. wrote:

That website was written by you or someone quite as mad as you. Possibly
another abelard sock.

J. A.

unread,
Aug 23, 2003, 8:51:39 AM8/23/03
to
holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bi68e9$7u7$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...


Ahh, I love how you libruls argue. It's worse than grade-shool. What
are you 2 years old?

Aramis Gunton

unread,
Aug 23, 2003, 11:07:33 AM8/23/03
to
In message <bi68e9$7u7$1...@titan.btinternet.com>, holly
<ho...@btinternet.com> writes
>Possibly another abelard sock.

Talking of socks you answered my questions yet?

Re: Tories labled racist after shadow cabinet minister fails to use
word "diversity" in interview

I have to hand my project in Tuesday.

Chop chop!!!

--
Aramis Gunton

holly

unread,
Aug 23, 2003, 3:10:58 PM8/23/03
to
J. A. wrote:
>
>
> Ahh, I love how you libruls argue. It's worse than grade-shool. What
> are you 2 years old?

I seriously suggest that you seek psychiatric help. I fear that there is a
real danger that your paranoia may cause someone harm. I have worked with
seriously deranged people, but you are by far the most deranged person I
have come across, still out of care.

holly

unread,
Aug 23, 2003, 3:13:06 PM8/23/03
to
Aramis Gunton wrote:

> In message <bi68e9$7u7$1...@titan.btinternet.com>, holly
> <ho...@btinternet.com> writes
>>Possibly another abelard sock.
>
> Talking of socks you answered my questions yet?

I suggest that you find a different newsgroup to look for sexual partners.

Is there an alt.gay.nutcases that you might try?

Mike Pellatt

unread,
Sep 1, 2003, 1:36:58 AM9/1/03
to
On 19 Aug 2003 11:23:02 -0700, J. A.

<thee_pr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:<bhtctu$5j9$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
>> J. A. wrote:
>> > holly <ho...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> > news:<bhsn9g$t3i$1...@titan.btinternet.com>...
>> >> J. A. wrote:

>> >> > Do you support
>> >> > progressive taxes?
>> >>
>> >> Do you understand progressive taxation?
>> >
>> > hmmm? Stopped answering questions have we??? Could it be that we've
>> > found you out you MARXIST PIG!
>>
>> It seems that I've found you out. You don't even understand the concept that
>> you're arguing about.
>
> BULLSHIT NIGGERBRAIN. Taxes have PROGRESSED since 1945 from 2% of
> earnings to over 40%!!!!!!!!!! HELLO????

Yep, that proves that you don't understand "progressive taxation".
It is not about taxation increasing, but is the opposite of
"regressive taxation"

Progressive taxation is taxation that increases with a person's
or family's ability to pay the tax.

Reressive taxation (at best) is flat-rate taxation regardless of
ability to pay.

So, income tax is (fairly) progrssive. Council tax (apart from
CTB - Council Tax Benefit) is regressive.

HTH.

All the rest of the rant snipped.

--
Mike Pellatt

0 new messages