Recommend a book?
sl
does NOT focus on caldera, redhat, etc. I made the mistake of buying Linux
System Commands, which, while it has Patrick Volkerding's name on the cover
and sounds good, is missing many things I kinda need. I'm new at this, I
need a GOOD index which references everything I could need including
devices and includes fixes for stupid mistakes (like accidentally deleting
a device).
Can someone recommend such a thing? Preferably for under $30?
(Hell, if you wanna *send* me one ... ;) )
Thanks,
sl
Mr. Linguist
> I need a book on Linux, if not one that focuses on Slack at least one that
> does NOT focus on caldera, redhat, etc. I made the mistake of buying Linux
> System Commands, which, while it has Patrick Volkerding's name on the cover
> and sounds good, is missing many things I kinda need. I'm new at this, I
> need a GOOD index which references everything I could need including
> devices and includes fixes for stupid mistakes (like accidentally deleting
> a device).
take a look at <http://rute.sourceforge.net>. don't know if it's what
you're looking for, but it contains a lot of information.
--
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments
Simon
> I need a book on Linux, if not one that focuses on Slack at least one that
> does NOT focus on caldera, redhat, etc.
<URL:http://www.slackware.com/book/>. I think that's as cheap as you're
going to get it.
Otherwise, you can buy one at <URL:https://store.slackware.com/>.
--
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"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
- Douglas Adams
+Chiron+
> I need a book on Linux, if not one that focuses on Slack at least one
> that does NOT focus on caldera, redhat, etc.
[snip]
> Can someone recommend such a thing? Preferably for under $30? (Hell, if
> you wanna *send* me one ... ;) )
No need to. http://www.slackware.com/book/
--
+Chiron+
Yes, I am an ANGRY Linux Bigot. Deal with it.
"Whoever invented RPMs should have their kidneys RPM'ed with their heart."
--waciuk (as posted to alt.os.linux.slackware)
sl
> On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:13:49 -0600, sl wrote:
>
>> I need a book on Linux, if not one that focuses on Slack at least one
>> that does NOT focus on caldera, redhat, etc.
>
> [snip]
>
>> Can someone recommend such a thing? Preferably for under $30? (Hell, if
>> you wanna *send* me one ... ;) )
>
> No need to. http://www.slackware.com/book/
NO INDEX.
I need an index.
I need to be able to look something up. I can generally get people to say
things like "man devfs" or whatever, in answer to questions, but I don't
know what the commands do or how to use them w/o messing something up.
Man pages are as-yet over my head, and read like greek even after 2-3
months of hard work learning how to use and tweak this thing. :(
You can't seriously be telling me nobody here owns a good reference book
for Slack/Linux???
Cameron Kerr
> I need a book on Linux, if not one that focuses on Slack at least one that
> does NOT focus on caldera, redhat, etc. I made the mistake of buying Linux
You might try Running Linux, published by O'Rielly. Disclaimer: I havn't
read it.
Cameron Kerr
--
camero...@paradise.net.nz
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~cameronk/
Menno
I like "Linux in a nutshell" by O'Reilly & Associates a lot.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxnut3/
It's not cheap and/or Slackware specific though...
_menno
Simon
Search on <URL:http://groups.google.com/> in this group. Not too long ago,
someone made a PDF file of the Slackware book, which may have an index (I'm
not sure, I just used the web-based one, which has a good enough contents
page for you to find the right section).
> You can't seriously be telling me nobody here owns a good reference book
> for Slack/Linux???
The book which +Chiron+ & I have recommended is a good reference book for
Slackware. If that fails, you can, of course, try searching on Google or
Google Groups as the question is almost guaranteed to have come up before.
Faux_Pseudo
--(sl said it like only they can.)--
> +Chiron+ wrote:
>> No need to. http://www.slackware.com/book/
>
> NO INDEX.
> I need an index.
> I need to be able to look something up. I can generally get people to say
Excuse me? Save the thing as a txt file and "grep -i -3" for whatever
you want to look up. Most indexes are encompleat and broken. grep
makes the best indexer out there.
> You can't seriously be telling me nobody here owns a good reference book
> for Slack/Linux???
Most slackware users have experiance with at last some form of *nix
prior to becomeing slackware users. I started out with redhat moved
to mandrake then tired about 4 others in a 2 week period until I tried
slackware. Slackware is not a newbie distro and asumes that you can
read the man pages. The only time a newbie uses slackware is when
they want to really learn how things work. I hope you figure it out.
In another year or so you will find that your above comment about the
lack of a index on a file is something that you will be able to laugh
about as you tell some one else to RTFM.
--
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- Andrew Jackson
UIN=66618055
Simon
> Slackware is not a newbie distro and asumes that you can
> read the man pages. The only time a newbie uses slackware is when
> they want to really learn how things work.
Feel free to call me a massochist, but I started on ZipSlack & enjoyed the
challenge of having to learn a lot to get things working. Back then, about
4 or 5 years ago now, all I had was the README, the FAQ, the HOWTOs, Yahoo
(I don't know if Google existed at the time) & DejaNews.
In short, it is possible to start on Slackware (ZipSlack is easier than the
full distribution), but it's certainly not an easy option. :)
Robert Grizzard
> NO INDEX.
> I need an index.
> I need to be able to look something up. I can generally get people to say
> things like "man devfs" or whatever, in answer to questions, but I don't
> know what the commands do or how to use them w/o messing something up.
> Man pages are as-yet over my head, and read like greek even after 2-3
> months of hard work learning how to use and tweak this thing. :(
> You can't seriously be telling me nobody here owns a good reference book
> for Slack/Linux???
Does "man -k <what_you're_concerned_with>" help? If it was combined with
O'Reilly's "Running Linux" and "Linux In A Nutshell", would it be any more
help?
"RL" is available in an older version at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/ or you
can download a copy from
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/install-guide/ in
your choice of flavors. You can also get a copy of The Linux User's Guide
in your choice of flavors at
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/users-guide/ .
--
Well it's all right now, I've learned my lesson well
See, you can't please everyone so you've got to please yourself.
-Rick Nelson
sl
> lack of a index on a file is something that you will be able to laugh
> about as you tell some one else to RTFM.
>
Nope. I don't do tell people that.
Not unless they're asking questions that're things I can't remember or
don't know details (options, syntax, etc) for.
I already answer a few of the questions in the irc channel i frequent, to
reasonable success, and I make a point of NOT doing that. Besides,
remembering to speak english is rather helpful if I ever want a job working
with non-geeks. ;)
I got fed up with "man <command>!" type answers and decided I wouldn't do
that to other people unless they were asking questions answered in plain
english in man pages. man pages are EVIL and really hard to read.
Let's face it: I'd *love* to sit back and read one of those books thru.
But I have what's known as a *life* and it requires constant attention.
This means I need to maximize my productivity at the computer (don't tell
me, you think I could maximize it by reading the linux book thru right?).
A certain amt of my probs can be solved thru howtos and helpfiles done by
others online, but some are specific to *my* setup (such as opera crashing
the whole machine) and needs, and I need to be able to look up solutions.
Oops. (steps off soapbox)
Sorry for the rant. Just a pet-peeve.
sl
Menno
<sniped job interview :) >
> man pages are EVIL and really hard to read.
How about hitting "/bar" after "man foo"?
Or "man foo |col -b |grep -i bar"
(Loose the quotes and where foo=command and
bar=wat_ever_the_hell_your_looking_for .)
<sniped rand>
_menno
Pand...@dark.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com
Linux:
Running Linux
Matt Welsh and Lar Kaufman
O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
ISBN:1-56592-100-3
A Student's Guide to Unix
Harley Hahn
McGraw-Hill, Inc.
ISBN:0-07-025511-3
sl
> * Faux_Pseudo <Faux_...@yahoo.comercial> wrote:
>> Slackware is not a newbie distro and asumes that you can
>> read the man pages. The only time a newbie uses slackware is when
>> they want to really learn how things work.
>
> Feel free to call me a massochist, but I started on ZipSlack & enjoyed the
> challenge of having to learn a lot to get things working. Back then,
> about 4 or 5 years ago now, all I had was the README, the FAQ, the HOWTOs,
> Yahoo (I don't know if Google existed at the time) & DejaNews.
>
> In short, it is possible to start on Slackware (ZipSlack is easier than
> the
> full distribution), but it's certainly not an easy option. :)
Oh, no doubt about it, it can be done.
I've learned more in the last 2 months than ....well, I don't even know
what to compare it to, I've learned so much. :P
I've learned a RIDICULOUS amount, being a newbie on slack.
On the other hand, I've made several enemies and disgusted many people who
tried to explain things but couldn't speak english anymore after so many
years speaking Slack-ish. :P
Perhaps if I'd done this when I was in high school and had all the free
time in the world.
If I might ask, how old were you when you started on ZipSlack?
sl
sl
mmmmight if i knew what grep did. or what exactly you were driving at.
actually, I tried opening man-pages in pico once. I got it to open and
then something weird happened, like it all scrolled by really fast and
wouldn't scroll back or something, i don't remember exactly it did but it
was less than productive so I didn't do it again. :)
The main prob with reading man pages is I don't have the vocab or the sense
of the underlying structure of how things work. Like the first time I
tried to recompile my kernel, I screwed myself because nobody'd ever
explained filesystems and what they were, and that reiser was less-common
and had to be specifically compiled into the kernel (and wasn't by default)
before my / would load.
I wish I could take a class, read a whole book, etc etc etc.
I wish I had time. I wish I had time. I wish I had time.
Someone should invent cron jobs for the human brain. :/
<gets out cheese to go with her whine>
sl
bammbamm
index, it's really not THAT much. :-)
/dev/rob0
>> In short, it is possible to start on Slackware (ZipSlack is easier than
>> the full distribution), but it's certainly not an easy option. :)
For some beginners Slackware is by far the best choice. It was for me.
But we are in the minority.
In article <a9aph5$3og$2...@news.doit.wisc.edu>, sl wrote:
> Oh, no doubt about it, it can be done.
> I've learned more in the last 2 months than ....well, I don't even know
> what to compare it to, I've learned so much. :P
> I've learned a RIDICULOUS amount, being a newbie on slack.
What's ridiculous? :) It's actually very empowering to know so much.
Until you get to Jurgen's point of FIFO or cranial explosion. ;)
> On the other hand, I've made several enemies and disgusted many people who
> tried to explain things but couldn't speak english anymore after so many
> years speaking Slack-ish. :P
Oh dear, I hope I'm not one of those. I've tried to keep my feet on the
ground, so to speak. At least one person here told me (seemed to imply,
IIUC) that I haven't been successful. Oh well.
> Perhaps if I'd done this when I was in high school and had all the free
> time in the world.
It does help to have free time. I've tried to combine learning and work
as much as possible. IOW, take a job I didn't quite know how to do ...
then learn how to do it. :)
I'm a newbie compared to most others here. Having more time to devote to
it has helped me progress quickly.
> If I might ask, how old were you when you started on ZipSlack?
Your question wasn't directed at me but I'll answer anyway. :) Pretty
darn old. :) In terms of other posters on this group: I was not as old
as Two Ravens, but older than +Chiron+ (than he is now.) Oh, Carl. When
I started I was the same age as Carl is now (37.) That makes me right
about a decade older than +Chiron+ (and uglier, too. ;)
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Two ravens
> NO INDEX.
> I need an index.
If you buy the paper copy and look on page 244 it starts by saying
INDEX and goes on until page 252. Alternatively try `A Practical Guide
to Linux' by Mark G. Sobell, published by Addison Wesley, ISBN
0-201-89549-8
--
Two Ravens
Remove $'s for valid address
Two ravens
http://rute.sourceforge.net/rute.html
of which others have spoken well, I haven't read it myself though.
Menno
> Menno wrote:
>
> > sl wrote:
> >
> > <sniped job interview :) >
> >
> >> man pages are EVIL and really hard to read.
> >
> > How about hitting "/bar" after "man foo"?
> > Or "man foo |col -b |grep -i bar"
> > (Loose the quotes and where foo=command and
> > bar=wat_ever_the_hell_your_looking_for .)
> >
>
> mmmmight if i knew what grep did.
"apropos grep"
> or what exactly you were driving at.
You ware complaining there's no index and it evil...
(While i'm starting to think you are...)
>
> actually, I tried opening man-pages in pico once. I got it to open and
> then something weird happened, like it all scrolled by really fast and
> wouldn't scroll back or something, i don't remember exactly it did but it
> was less than productive so I didn't do it again. :)
Well the "col -b" gets rid of any backspaces en stuff.
<whine cut>
> <gets out cheese to go with her whine>
> sl
"man" pages rule !
Two ravens
>
> Your question wasn't directed at me but I'll answer anyway. :) Pretty
> darn old. :) In terms of other posters on this group: I was not as old
> as Two Ravens, but older than +Chiron+ (than he is now.) Oh, Carl.
> When I started I was the same age as Carl is now (37.) That makes me
> right about a decade older than +Chiron+ (and uglier, too. ;)
>
That's the first time I've been used as a benchmark for age, (i'm 54
and started using Slackware at 53), i.e. `X' is younger than Two Ravens.
It's only the outside that gets older, I still feel 18...
Carl Inglis
<two.$ravens$@$dakings$.fsnet.$co.$uk> wrote:
<snip>
> It's only the outside that gets older, I still feel 18...
They say "you're only as old as the woman you feel". I guess that makes
me 21 then. (My wife had her 21st birthday last week).
But I know what you're saying. It's really frustrating, however, when one
finds that the body really *is* slowing down, and one can't do the things
that one was able to do less than two years ago. I will be *very* glad as
soon as I can get this heart problem sorted out and get back down the gym
to get fit again. On that note, for those that are interested, I have the
first appointment (hematology) on Tuesday afternoon.
Carl
--
...give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day; club him to death with
a four-iron and he'll never bother you for goddamn fish again, right?
- Huey
Carl Inglis
<ro...@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> about a decade older than +Chiron+ (and uglier, too. ;)
If we're gonna start comparing faces...
http://www.yoshiwara.demon.co.uk/mindex.htm
The picture at the top is one of our wedding photos. It's one of the
most recent photos of me (that I have on-line).
Carl
--
Just because Microsoft have decided that they want their software to
behave wrongly, doesn't mean you have to be sheeplike and follow them.
- Suzi in uk.religion.pagan
Faux_Pseudo
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:01:28 +0100, Two ravens
> <two.$ravens$@$dakings$.fsnet.$co.$uk> wrote:
><snip>
>> It's only the outside that gets older, I still feel 18...
><snip>
>
> They say "you're only as old as the woman you feel". I guess that makes
> me 21 then. (My wife had her 21st birthday last week).
I guess that makes me ageless then!
Oh damn thats a bad thing.
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Thlayli
>sl <spiritNOSP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I need a book on Linux, ....
>
>You might try Running Linux, published by O'Rielly. Disclaimer: I havn't
>read it.
I have the second edition, and I've skimmed the third in the bookstore to see
how much is different (not much).
It may not be up-to-the-minute on the latest gee-whizzy advances, but for the
basic stuff it's great.
--
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RTFM http://www.slackware.com/book/
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Jurgen Philippaerts
> > You can't seriously be telling me nobody here owns a good reference book
> > for Slack/Linux???
>
> I like "Linux in a nutshell" by O'Reilly & Associates a lot.
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxnut3/
> It's not cheap and/or Slackware specific though...
slackware linux unleashed
linux unleashed
both of these are usually available in any decent bookstore that has
a "computer" section.
i have seem them in at least 3 bookstores overhere.
Jurgen.
--
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Jurgen Philippaerts
> On 14 Apr 2002 04:50:32 GMT, /dev/rob0
> > about a decade older than +Chiron+ (and uglier, too. ;)
>
> If we're gonna start comparing faces...
> http://www.yoshiwara.demon.co.uk/mindex.htm
>
> The picture at the top is one of our wedding photos. It's one of the
> most recent photos of me (that I have on-line).
allright, if we're going to scare people... i'll join in :)
me showing off my "homeless" tshirt at santa monica pier last
december. together with my uhm... alternative haircut, that's now
gone.
http://traumatized.org/xmas2001/pages/xmas2001-048.htm
/dev/rob0
> They say "you're only as old as the woman you feel". I guess that makes
> me 21 then. (My wife had her 21st birthday last week).
CARL!?!?! You cradle robber -- have you no shame! ;)
What's worse -- you're boasting about it!
> But I know what you're saying. It's really frustrating, however, when one
> finds that the body really *is* slowing down, and one can't do the things
> that one was able to do less than two years ago. I will be *very* glad as
Unfortunately I know the feeling.
> soon as I can get this heart problem sorted out and get back down the gym
> to get fit again. On that note, for those that are interested, I have the
> first appointment (hematology) on Tuesday afternoon.
I think the *cause* of the heart problem is now obvious. :) You need a
year in a monastery, I'm afraid. AND NO VISITS TO THE CONVENT!! ;)
Carl Inglis
> In article <slrnabiu36.f...@gandalf.home.cci>, Carl Inglis wrote:
>> They say "you're only as old as the woman you feel". I guess that makes
>> me 21 then. (My wife had her 21st birthday last week).
>
> CARL!?!?! You cradle robber -- have you no shame! ;)
None what so ever!
I worked it out a while ago, I was 15yrs and 9mths old when Helen was
concieved. I'm physically old enough to be her father. Needless to say,
her parents were not overly impressed at first about their daughter
marrying a man who is divorced, has 3 kids and is 16 years younger than
her. They seem to have come to terms with it now and accepted it. To
the point that her father and I can sit and ogle the "totty" on telly
in front of her and her mother and they just give the long-suffering
moan of all married women: "Men!"
> What's worse -- you're boasting about it!
Not boasting, exactly, but not hiding it either.
<snip>
>> soon as I can get this heart problem sorted out and get back down the gym
>> to get fit again. On that note, for those that are interested, I have the
>> first appointment (hematology) on Tuesday afternoon.
>
> I think the *cause* of the heart problem is now obvious. :) You need a
> year in a monastery, I'm afraid. AND NO VISITS TO THE CONVENT!! ;)
<chuckle> I want to get *all* of me fit, not just my right arm!
Carl
--
"Erotic is when you use a feather. Kinky is when you use the whole chicken.
Depraved is when you cook the chicken afterwards and serve it to her mother."
Carl Inglis
<willb...@yoshiwara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<snip>
> concieved. I'm physically old enough to be her father. Needless to say,
> her parents were not overly impressed at first about their daughter
> marrying a man who is divorced, has 3 kids and is 16 years younger than
^^^^^^^ older
<snip>
Overall Inglis, a very poor showing. Must try harder. See me after class.
sl
> On 14 Apr 2002 04:50:32 GMT, /dev/rob0
> <ro...@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> <snip>
>> about a decade older than +Chiron+ (and uglier, too. ;)
>
> If we're gonna start comparing faces...
> http://www.yoshiwara.demon.co.uk/mindex.htm
>
> The picture at the top is one of our wedding photos. It's one of the
> most recent photos of me (that I have on-line).
>
> Carl
I looked. And you don't look much older than her.
Btw, you should add this to your list of cartoons :
http://www.somethingpositive.net/
Read'em all, it only started just before the first of the year. :)
sl
/dev/rob0
Carl Inglis wrote:
>> I think the *cause* of the heart problem is now obvious. :) You need a
>> year in a monastery, I'm afraid. AND NO VISITS TO THE CONVENT!! ;)
>
><chuckle> I want to get *all* of me fit, not just my right arm!
Hmmm, you clearly are in much greater need than I thought. Normally I
would order 10K "Hail Mary's" a day, but I don't want you thinking about
virgins ...
Carl Inglis
> In article <slrnabjc36.o...@gandalf.home.cci>,
> Carl Inglis wrote:
>>> I think the *cause* of the heart problem is now obvious. :) You need a
>>> year in a monastery, I'm afraid. AND NO VISITS TO THE CONVENT!! ;)
>>
>><chuckle> I want to get *all* of me fit, not just my right arm!
>
> Hmmm, you clearly are in much greater need than I thought. Normally I
> would order 10K "Hail Mary's" a day, but I don't want you thinking about
> virgins ...
Strange you should say that - my standard reply to the question "Do you
want anything from the shops?" is "a handful of 16-year old, red-headed,
virgins."
The standard response is either "you won't find a virgin round here"
or *thwack* depending on how she's feeling.
sl
> Does "man -k <what_you're_concerned_with>" help? If it was combined with
> O'Reilly's "Running Linux" and "Linux In A Nutshell", would it be any more
> help?
>
> "RL" is available in an older version at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/ or
> you can download a copy from
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/install-guide/ in
> your choice of flavors. You can also get a copy of The Linux User's Guide
> in your choice of flavors at
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/users-guide/ .
>
Whoah...You can get a copy of the o'reilly book online??? like, complete
and same as the paper one? I missed that the first time I read it.
If it was combined with a paper book, yes it'd help.
books generally lay things out a bit simpler, too. *shrug*
sl
Carl Inglis
<spiritNOSP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Carl Inglis wrote:
<snip>
>> The picture at the top is one of our wedding photos. It's one of the
>> most recent photos of me (that I have on-line).
>
A lot of people have said that we both look about 25.
> Btw, you should add this to your list of cartoons :
> http://www.somethingpositive.net/
> Read'em all, it only started just before the first of the year. :)
Bastard! My sides hurt from laughing! Nice one!
sl
> "apropos grep"
>
>> or what exactly you were driving at.
>
> You ware complaining there's no index and it evil...
> (While i'm starting to think you are...)
If you could refrain from even vague insults, I've been insulted on IRC
*waaaaaay* too much lately and have become extremely sensitive.
The prob with what you'd said (grep foobar whatever), is that I have no
*clue* what it was supposed to produce/accomplish. I could guess but
occasionally (not often but often enuf) I'm totally lost/clueless or misled
in a past conversation/experience.
Ever play one of those computer-games where your character goes into a room
full of computer-panels and pushes a button and tries to figure out if
something is different?
>> actually, I tried opening man-pages in pico once. I got it to open and
>> then something weird happened, like it all scrolled by really fast and
>> wouldn't scroll back or something, i don't remember exactly it did but it
>> was less than productive so I didn't do it again. :)
>
> Well the "col -b" gets rid of any backspaces en stuff.
backspaces? *now* I'm confused.
To me, backspace is an action....not something that appears in a text-file,
something the maker did to make it the way it is.....
> <whine cut>
>> <gets out cheese to go with her whine>
> "man" pages rule !
(heh) perhaps if they were WOman pages. :P
sl
sl
> It's only the outside that gets older, I still feel 18...
>
*choke* I wish.
I'm 27 and I don't feel 18!!
What's your secret? Are you a yogi or something? :P
sl
sl
> Strange you should say that - my standard reply to the question "Do you
> want anything from the shops?" is "a handful of 16-year old, red-headed,
> virgins."
<rofl> I was *just*, like about 3 minutes ago, talking to my friend about
how everyone wants redheads. (he offered me a replacement foot for the one
I just got a cut in, I asked for a whole replacement body, preferably 5'6"
size 6 redhead. :P )
sl
Menno
> Menno wrote:
>
> > "apropos grep"
> >
> >> or what exactly you were driving at.
> >
> > You ware complaining there's no index and it evil...
> > (While i'm starting to think you are...)
> If you could refrain from even vague insults, I've been insulted on IRC
> *waaaaaay* too much lately and have become extremely sensitive.
>
Well, sorry, but:
I way like man-pages over any other type of documentation any day.
> The prob with what you'd said (grep foobar whatever), is that I have no
> *clue* what it was supposed to produce/accomplish. I could guess but
Yust execute "apropos grep" or "man -k grep" and find out.
As long as you use a "test" account on nothing can brake anyway :).
> occasionally (not often but often enuf) I'm totally lost/clueless or misled
> in a past conversation/experience.
> Ever play one of those computer-games where your character goes into a room
> full of computer-panels and pushes a button and tries to figure out if
> something is different?
Nope...
> >> actually, I tried opening man-pages in pico once. I got it to open and
> >> then something weird happened, like it all scrolled by really fast and
> >> wouldn't scroll back or something, i don't remember exactly it did but it
> >> was less than productive so I didn't do it again. :)
> >
> > Well the "col -b" gets rid of any backspaces en stuff.
>
> backspaces? *now* I'm confused.
> To me, backspace is an action....not something that appears in a text-file,
> something the maker did to make it the way it is.....
Well, a man-page is _not_ a text-file!
It is a script-file for the groff program (containing formatting info, etc.)
One could program it to do a lot more than format text...
> > <whine cut>
> >> <gets out cheese to go with her whine>
> > "man" pages rule !
>
> (heh) perhaps if they were WOman pages. :P
>
> sl
Perhaps.
Gtz,
_menno
sl
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:03:18 -0500, sl
> <spiritNOSP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Carl Inglis wrote:
> <snip>
>>> The picture at the top is one of our wedding photos. It's one of the
>>> most recent photos of me (that I have on-line).
>>
>> I looked. And you don't look much older than her.
>
> A lot of people have said that we both look about 25.
>
>> Btw, you should add this to your list of cartoons :
>> http://www.somethingpositive.net/
>> Read'em all, it only started just before the first of the year. :)
>
> Bastard! My sides hurt from laughing! Nice one!
>
> Carl
<grin> I've taken up "mrrrr?" as one of my expressions, and several of my
friends use "Dzaaaaah!" ;)
There's also chopping block, but it's more twisted and only occasionally as
funny. "You don't know what love is, she'd said, which was ridiculous.
Of course Butch knew what love was! Love was something you had to rip out
of people, just slice open their gut and rip it out, beause nobody wanted
to give it freely. Then you had to put it in a jar before--- No, no,
wait. That was SPLEENS. She was right. He had no idea what Love was."
(evilgrin)
sl
Joost Kremers
> Two ravens wrote:
>> It's only the outside that gets older, I still feel 18...
>>
>
> *choke* I wish.
> I'm 27 and I don't feel 18!!
sure you do, you just gotta let the 18-year old inside you out. me,
i've got a whole bunch of people inside me... from about 5 to
27. (well, 28, almost...)
or maybe that's just my multiple personality disorder...
--
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments
Two ravens
>
> sure you do, you just gotta let the 18-year old inside you out. me,
> i've got a whole bunch of people inside me... from about 5 to
> 27. (well, 28, almost...)
>
> or maybe that's just my multiple personality disorder...
>
You're right, on closer consideration I'm sure there's a 13 year old me
in there as well.
Carl Inglis
<spiritNOSP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> There's also chopping block, but it's more twisted and only occasionally as
> funny.
You might know some of these already... *not for kids*
http://sexylosers.keenspace.com/
http://boymeetsboy.keenspace.com/
http://tav.keenspace.com/
http://smc.keenspace.com/
http://www.adjectivenoun.org.uk/jake/index.htm
(The last one uses the tag: "Possibly the Internet's only comic strip
about Polyamorous Bisexuals!" - I've met the artist - yes, he *is* as
"unusual" as the comic implies.)
Simon
> Perhaps if I'd done this when I was in high school and had all the free
> time in the world.
I'm not sure about that, personally, as I seem to have more free time now
I'm working than when I was at school (what with homework & the like).
> If I might ask, how old were you when you started on ZipSlack?
I think I was 14 when I started, although I might have been 13.
--
Simon <si...@no-dns-yet.org.uk> **** PGP: 099977D0
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
- Douglas Adams
+Chiron+
> <gets out cheese to go with her whine>
*HER*?
Cooool.
We need more Geek-chicks. =)
--
+Chiron+
Yes, I am an ANGRY Linux Bigot. Deal with it.
"Whoever invented RPMs should have their kidneys RPM'ed with their heart."
--waciuk (as posted to alt.os.linux.slackware)
Robert Grizzard
> Robert Grizzard wrote:
>> Does "man -k <what_you're_concerned_with>" help? If it was combined with
>> O'Reilly's "Running Linux" and "Linux In A Nutshell", would it be any more
>> help?
>>
>> "RL" is available in an older version at http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/ or
>> you can download a copy from
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/install-guide/ in
>> your choice of flavors. You can also get a copy of The Linux User's Guide
>> in your choice of flavors at
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/linux-doc-project/users-guide/ .
>>
> Whoah...You can get a copy of the o'reilly book online??? like, complete
> and same as the paper one? I missed that the first time I read it.
Sure can. Like I said, it is an older version. My paper edition is
copyright 1995; this file is copyright 1996 and there are a few differences
between what I have and this on-line book. I don't know if that makes it a
post-rev dash first edition or a second edition, but it's a handy book to
have.
> If it was combined with a paper book, yes it'd help.
> books generally lay things out a bit simpler, too. *shrug*
They're also easier to read when the thing won't boot and you're sitting
there hard-cussing it trying to figure out why it doesn't work.
--
Well it's all right now, I've learned my lesson well
See, you can't please everyone so you've got to please yourself.
-Rick Nelson
sl
>> <gets out cheese to go with her whine>
> *HER*?
> Cooool.
> We need more Geek-chicks. =)
<LoL>
I saw those three little letters in all caps and I was *sure* you were
suddenly gonna make some nasty comment about that's why I asked such stupid
questions or something.
Thanks for proving me wrong. ;)
I've been a geek for a long time, now I'm becoming a Linux-geek.
And apparently doing it rather quickly.
If I remember correctly, the first time I came in here you yelled at me for
asking questions about third-party software.
Guess what, I still will. :P
sl
+Chiron+
> *choke* I wish.
> I'm 27 and I don't feel 18!!
I call "dibs" on testing this theory for myself. =)
(assuming you're female that is.)
Faux_Pseudo
Yesterday my father, who art in LA, and myself where talking about the
declining birth rates in affluent cultures and I mentioned that as a
consequence that in another 200 years there would be no redheads left
as every race intermingles. I am all for multiculturalism and
everyone having a healthy tan color to their skin but I think we
should act now by putting all redheads into a protective breading
program so that they may be preserved for future generations to
enjoy. We must act now to save this endangered species.
In the time it took me to type this my desktop's wallpaper changed 4
times. Each was a redheded playmate.
May I recomend the following filters for you slrn users out there?
[*playboy*] [redheads are good in playboy]
Score:: =9999
Subject: delon
Subject: boris.?angel
Subject: angel.?boris
Subject: cathy.*malley
Subject: malley.*cathy
Subject: heather.?christensen
Subject: christensen.?heather
Hmmm.
Groups doings:
Ftp install module [x]
New ftp mirrors list [x]
Makeing isos for current[x]
Redhead slacker mascot? [ ]
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Faux_Pseudo
--(sl said it like only they can.)--
>
> http://www.somethingpositive.net/
> Read'em all, it only started just before the first of the year. :)
>
I am proud to be 7 years clean from D&D and 5 years clean from Tragic
the Addiction. I am only 4 years clean from LARP but I have
confidence that I will continue on my path of sobriety despite the
20ish LARPers that congregate at my local coffee house. After all
when you are used to playing with 100+ people who can go back to 20?
I still have all of my RPG books and binders in my closet all boxed
up. Very shortly I will get a Linux compatible quick cam and put it
all up for sale on ebay. Your first character-sheet^Whit is free.
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+Chiron+
> +Chiron+ wrote:
>>> <gets out cheese to go with her whine>
>> *HER*?
>> Cooool.
>> We need more Geek-chicks. =)
>
> <LoL>
> I saw those three little letters in all caps and I was *sure* you were
> suddenly gonna make some nasty comment about that's why I asked such
> stupid questions or something.
No, no, no-
I'm not a Misogynist.
I *love* women. =)
> Thanks for proving me wrong. ;)
Hey, sure-
I may be an asshole most of the time, and I know I'm short-tempered-
But, for what it's worth, I *do* try to avoid stereotypes.
I try to make my decisions based upon WHO, not WHAT someone is.
> I've been a geek for a long time, now I'm becoming a Linux-geek. And
> apparently doing it rather quickly.
You're picking up on things rather quickly-
You've got the right mindset for it.
A year from now, you'll look back and say "God/dess, I was SUCH a newbie!"
> If I remember correctly, the first time I came in here you yelled at me
> for asking questions about third-party software.
I do that. =)
Predicatable, ain't I?
> Guess what, I still will. :P
Label your subject line "OT", and you'll never hear me bitch once. =)
sl
>>> We need more Geek-chicks. =)
> I may be an asshole most of the time, and I know I'm short-tempered-
So you're *aware* of these problems. Ok.
> But, for what it's worth, I *do* try to avoid stereotypes.
> I try to make my decisions based upon WHO, not WHAT someone is.
Well, I don't play games. There's definately drawbacks to me...I forget
tons of stuff (especially vocab), I confuse easily cuz I don't think like a
normal person, and I refuse to apologize for my opinions.
>> I've been a geek for a long time, now I'm becoming a Linux-geek. And
>> apparently doing it rather quickly.
>
> You're picking up on things rather quickly-
> You've got the right mindset for it.
I do? Well thanks. ;)
I'm still too frazzled tho. <sigh>
Just gotta keep telling myself "summer is coming, summer is coming."
See, the plan is to work halftime over summer in addition to my little 3cr
class, so I'll have the free time to read and learn. I just hope it's not
98 degrees all summer this year like it was last year, those are the days I
can't even stand to have the comuter turned on cuz of the heat it gives
off, and i have no a/c, and even if I work on my computer remotely I have
to go home sometime. /
> A year from now, you'll look back and say "God/dess, I was SUCH a newbie!"
I have news for you, I'm already saying that. Just last night I had a
discussion with my favorite Linux-guru about how recompiling my own kernel
seemed like such a big deal in the beginning, he said "yeah, after 400
times it's not really anything anymore is it?"
>> If I remember correctly, the first time I came in here you yelled at me
>> for asking questions about third-party software.
> I do that. =)
> Predicatable, ain't I?
>> Guess what, I still will. :P
>
> Label your subject line "OT", and you'll never hear me bitch once. =)
Now see, you never told me *that*. If you had, I'd have been happy to do
so. Cuz I don't mind making it known I'm asking odd questions, but I
really need to allow the experts to have a shot at my probs.
Such as the one I'm going to post in a minute about jpilot and pilot-link.
;)
sl
sl
that one over Linux in a Nutshell and Running Linux, cuz LU is at least a
year newer than either of the others (and I've run into probs with old
books).
Incidentally, the used copy of the newest edition is running me $12.49. :)
Thank you to all of you for your input, it's very much appreciated!!
sl
sl wrote:
> I need a book on Linux, if not one that focuses on Slack at least one that
> does NOT focus on caldera, redhat, etc. I made the mistake of buying
> Linux System Commands, which, while it has Patrick Volkerding's name on
> the cover
> and sounds good, is missing many things I kinda need. I'm new at this, I
> need a GOOD index which references everything I could need including
> devices and includes fixes for stupid mistakes (like accidentally deleting
> a device).
>
> Can someone recommend such a thing? Preferably for under $30?
> (Hell, if you wanna *send* me one ... ;) )
>
> Thanks,
> sl
>
sl
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:09:07 -0500, sl
> <spiritNOSP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>> There's also chopping block, but it's more twisted and only occasionally
>> as funny.
>
> You might know some of these already... *not for kids*
Naw, I don't go on keenspace too much.
> http://sexylosers.keenspace.com/
> http://boymeetsboy.keenspace.com/
> http://tav.keenspace.com/
> http://smc.keenspace.com/
> http://www.adjectivenoun.org.uk/jake/index.htm
>
> (The last one uses the tag: "Possibly the Internet's only comic strip
> about Polyamorous Bisexuals!" - I've met the artist - yes, he *is* as
> "unusual" as the comic implies.)
See I didn't even like that one so much. Some of it was cute but...
Too much equating of poly with bi. Not all poly folk are bi, and not all
bi folk are vice versa. In fact most of the poly folk I know are straight.
But I'm guessing you know this. ;)
sl
+Chiron+
> Not all poly folk are bi, and not all bi folk are vice versa.
Ah yes, but it does make for a lovely combination, doesn't it? =P
Carl Inglis
<spiritNOSP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> See I didn't even like that one so much. Some of it was cute but...
> Too much equating of poly with bi. Not all poly folk are bi, and not all
> bi folk are vice versa. In fact most of the poly folk I know are straight.
I know the circles that the artist moves in, and in those circles the two are
about 90% sinonymous[1], so for the comic, it's right. Having said that, I know
what you mean.
> But I'm guessing you know this. ;)
<snip>
Ahh, you guessed that. <g.
Carl
[1] Yes, it was intentional.
Althiom
<spiritNOSP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Carl Inglis wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:09:07 -0500, sl
>>> <spiritNOSP...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> There's also chopping block, but it's more twisted and only occasionally
>>>> as funny.
>>>
>>> You might know some of these already... *not for kids*
>>
>>Naw, I don't go on keenspace too much.
>>
>>> http://sexylosers.keenspace.com/
>>> http://boymeetsboy.keenspace.com/
>>> http://tav.keenspace.com/
>>> http://smc.keenspace.com/
>>> http://www.adjectivenoun.org.uk/jake/index.htm
>>>
>>> (The last one uses the tag: "Possibly the Internet's only comic strip
>>> about Polyamorous Bisexuals!" - I've met the artist - yes, he *is* as
>>> "unusual" as the comic implies.)
What does Polyamorous mean. Does it indicate that they (who claim to
be polyamorous) nothing more then (non-PC) sluts??? (can a male be a
slut??)
Sorry if this shows my age but not being a hip young geek this has
me puzzled.
Althiom
/dev/rob0
Carl Inglis wrote:
> about 90% sinonymous[1], so for the comic, it's right. Having said that,
> [1] Yes, it was intentional.
Oh good. I thought for a second that I was reading Faux! <g,d,r>
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or put "not-spam" or "/dev/rob0" in Subject header to reply
Faux_Pseudo
> In article <slrnabkr2t.r...@gandalf.home.cci>,
> Carl Inglis wrote:
>> about 90% sinonymous[1], so for the comic, it's right. Having said that,
>><snip>
>> [1] Yes, it was intentional.
>
> Oh good. I thought for a second that I was reading Faux! <g,d,r>
>
That style of notation is one I learned to love given that
I love to make comments that clutter sentances with to many (),,'s
so while reading a.s.r[0] I found that this style is very conducive to
my writing.
[0] alt.sysadmin.recovry[1]
[1] set your filters for to see the non Re: posts and prepair to
laugh.
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sl
It's not love as in sex, it's love as in LOVE. Note the word "amor"
embedded in "polyamorous". If you don't know latin, I'll tell you the word
breaks down to "loving many", with no concrete reference to sex at all.
Poly folk generally still only sleep with those they care deeply for, not
just anyone who'll have them. But they don't limit themselves to loving
just one person. I, for example, tend to fall for men in pairs. This was
how things were before I knew there was even such a thing as "polyamorous."
I just always thought I was a freak and there was something wrong with me.
As I grew up a bit more, I figured out that there were people who really
did this sort of thing successfully, and there was hope for me after all. :)
That said, many poly people have embraced the word "slut" as their own, and
tried to remake it into something more or less than it was before.
Personally I can't reconcile that for myself, so I don't tend to use it.
Yes, by the way, men can be sluts. I know many. The word "stud" isn't
used anymore, by *anyone* that I can think of aside from your general
crotch-grabbing wolf-whistling beer-guzzling truck-driving redneck who
thinks the number of women he's "done" is his "manliness score" or
something stupid like that.
(my apologies if any of the readers qualify for any of those. ;) )
sl
who needs to begin wearing more parrots ;)
sl
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:55:32 -0600, sl wrote:
>
>> Not all poly folk are bi, and not all bi folk are vice versa.
>
> Ah yes, but it does make for a lovely combination, doesn't it? =P
<LoL> Um sure, I guess. Nearly all men adore two women together, so most
men think "*jackpot!*" when they hear of a bi woman. ;)
sl
Richard Williams
Robert Grizzard <griz...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Whoah...You can get a copy of the o'reilly book online??? like, complete
>> and same as the paper one? I missed that the first time I read it.
>
>Sure can. Like I said, it is an older version. My paper edition is
>copyright 1995; this file is copyright 1996 and there are a few differences
>between what I have and this on-line book. I don't know if that makes it a
>post-rev dash first edition or a second edition, but it's a handy book to
>have.
Although there's a fair bit of overlap between 'Running Linux' and
the 'Installation and getting started' guide (especially in the
earlier editions), I think they've been reasonably distinct projects
since the first edition of 'Running Linux', and have been updated
independently by different authors (though unfortunately the
'Getting started' guide no longer seems to be actively maintained).
It's a bit like the situation with some sections of 'Programming
Perl', which are pretty close to the official Perl documentation.
The 'Getting started' guide has also been published in various paper
editions (not from O'Reilly), including compilations with other LDP
titles. You can buy an html version of the current 'Running Linux'
as part of one of the O'Reilly 'CD bookshelves':
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxwebcdbs/
and probably rent online access as part of their 'Safari' service
(ugh!). Incidentally, O'Reilly does have a few decent free online
titles:
http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/
Richard.
+Chiron+
Agreed-
However, I think that the majority are more infatuated with the -idea- of
two girls together, than the reality of their partner hooking up with
their GF. We (my wife and I) have both seen situations first-hand where
this couldn't have been more true.
On a personal level:
My wife is Bi, and we are both Pagan/Poly- Well, truth be told, I'm Pagan,
She's a recovering Catholic school-girl. I have strong Polygamistic
tendencies (it's traditional within my tribe, plus, I think it's simply
more logical.), and she's just girl-crazy =P
While this isn't the appropriate forum for such matters for you and I to
be discussing this, I/we could certainly share some amusing (and some
not-so-amusing) stories of being Pagan/Poly in the "modern" world. =)
+Chiron+
> sl
> who needs to begin wearing more parrots ;)
Wanna cracker? =)
See my previous post.
I *knew* there was a reason that I liked you. =)
Carl Inglis
> In article <slrnabkr2t.r...@gandalf.home.cci>,
> Carl Inglis wrote:
>> about 90% sinonymous[1], so for the comic, it's right. Having said that,
>><snip>
>> [1] Yes, it was intentional.
>
> Oh good. I thought for a second that I was reading Faux! <g,d,r>
<chuckle> Why do you think I put the footnote in there? <g>
Carl (I really must get a new .sigmonster)
Carl Inglis
<gbe...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
<snip>
> What does Polyamorous mean. Does it indicate that they (who claim to
> be polyamorous) nothing more then (non-PC) sluts??? (can a male be a
> slut??)
As sl commented else-thread, poly is not just about sex.
For instance, I am in a poly relationship at the moment. It's an
emotional-v-triad. (But that's not a very good description)
Emotional because there is no sex outside of my primary relationship,
but there is still the intense love.
V because I'm at the point of the V, Helen is on one end of an arm,
and Barbara is on the other.
Triad because (obviously) there are three of us.
And yes, they do know about each other, and we all get on really well.
sl - I assume you saw the link to http://www.bee.net/cardigan/PAARC/
on my links page and that's what gave you the clue?
Althion - you might find http://www.faqs.org/faqs/polyamory/faq/ &
http://www.polyamory.org/ of interest for further reading.
Carl Inglis
<chiron...@operamail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> My wife is Bi, and we are both Pagan/Poly- Well, truth be told, I'm Pagan,
To quote someone else else-thread "I knew there was a reason I liked you."
Faux_Pseudo
/* monogymes is misspelled at least 4 differant ways in this text */
I am going to refrain from the rest of this disscusion for it might
ruin my chances of running for president later in life but I will make
a few points here.
Not all men think +jackpot+. I have had 3 girlfriends in my life. The
last two where bi and incapable of a monogomis relationship. Both
where also as a result of the amount of stress they put on them self
by engaging in such a convoluted life style steadily driven insane[0]
by the stress of trying to deal with the issues that came up.
Some people can handle the poly/slut lifestyle. Some people can not.
In my opinion those who have any tendency to use sex as a weapon or
are using sex to fill some void are not mentally equipped for the
lifestyle. Biology being what it is that makes for a lot of poly/slut
men and very few women and the women are usually not better off for it.
+Chiron+ mentioned his Bi wife. I hate to paint with a broad brush
but I knew that the moment I saw a picture of him and her. The
costuming gave them away. I have met very few men women pairs who own
clothing[3] like that who do not have an open relationship with the girl
leaning toward girls. I have seen it so many times I have lost count.
I have learned from dealing with those who can not deal with the
lifestyle that I will now make it a requirement that all women I date
will be confirmed heterosexuals and monogymes. I have remained
monogomymse through all my relationship[2] and have now
made the commitment to continue with that idea.
I have nothing against the lifestyle for those who can handle it
responsably but I have better things to do with my life than get
involved in the SBS[4] that usualy erupts when this is going on
because the majority of the people are not capable of handleing it.
[0] as in certified insane not as in just a little crazy. In
California they have what's called a 5150[1] and both of them have
many 5150s.
[1] danger to self and or others
[2] I did _try_ to not be monogomys but it never seemed to work out.
[3] And I have met many.
[4] Social Bull Shit. general catch all term for "drama" and other
things I haven't got the mentality to deal with. At my favorit
coffee shop there was a no SBS clause that made for some very
amazing converstations involving politics, science, religion and
other things that people used to talk about before TV[5] made
everyone want to be the center of the univers by creating SBS.
[5] contrary to popular conception that drugs ruined/enlightend the
world and forever changed it back in 1963 it was actualy the mass
adoption of TV in the same time period in conjunction with the
envention of the word and idea of "teenager" that happend in the
greate depression.
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+Chiron+
> I know the circles that the artist moves in, and in those circles the
> two are about 90% sinonymous[1]
> Carl
> [1] Yes, it was intentional.
That was clever. =)
I've never seen that particular usage before and it took me a
double-take to pick up on the subtle innuendo. =)
I like it! =)
Carl Inglis
<Faux_...@yahoo.comERCIAL> wrote:
<snip>
> I am going to refrain from the rest of this disscusion for it might
> ruin my chances of running for president later in life but I will make
> a few points here.
Since you have said that you are going to refrain from the rest of the
discussion, it's possible that you won't see this. However, in a sense
I hope you do. There are so many things in your post that I'd like to
discuss, but this whole topic is heading way off-topic.
I wonder if anyone fancies newgrouping "alt.os.linux.slackware.offtopic"!
+Chiron+
> And yes, they do know about each other, and we all get on really well.
All this Poly-talk has got me itching to hear Type O Negative's
"My Girfriend's Girlfriend" again. =)
*sigh*
The wife and I haven't had anyone special in our lives for...what?
A year now?
Gah.
We were *just* talking about this yesterday while we were in the
Mountains, and "play-bitching" about how boring and "icky" Monogamy is.
*heh*
You gotta love it when some cute thing saunters past, and *both* your
heads turn to watch the switch-tail action, your eyes meet, and you both
exclaim: "Hey! *I* saw her first! get yer own!"
LOL.
I love my (w)/(l)ife =)
Jurgen Philippaerts
>
> +Chiron+ mentioned his Bi wife. I hate to paint with a broad brush
> but I knew that the moment I saw a picture of him and her. The
> costuming gave them away. I have met very few men women pairs who own
> clothing[3] like that who do not have an open relationship with the girl
> leaning toward girls. I have seen it so many times I have lost count.
i think you meant the picture of Carl and his wife.
not Chiron.
Jurgen.
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+Chiron+
> On 15 Apr 2002 14:07:04 -0500, +Chiron+
> <chiron...@operamail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>> My wife is Bi, and we are both Pagan/Poly- Well, truth be told, I'm
>> Pagan,
> <snip>
>
> To quote someone else else-thread "I knew there was a reason I liked
> you."
Geeks, Slackware, Pagan and Poly.
Whodathunkit was posible? =)
I love this group =)
Jurgen Philippaerts
>
> I wonder if anyone fancies newgrouping "alt.os.linux.slackware.offtopic"!
i think it only takes one control message to a newsserver who grants
them, et voile, there it is :)
unfortunately, i don't feel like digging up the needed documentation
on how to do it exactly.
feel free to do so :)
Carl Inglis
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:59:57 -0600, Carl Inglis wrote:
>
>> I know the circles that the artist moves in, and in those circles the
>> two are about 90% sinonymous[1]
>
>> Carl
>> [1] Yes, it was intentional.
>
> That was clever. =)
>
> I've never seen that particular usage before and it took me a
> double-take to pick up on the subtle innuendo. =)
>
> I like it! =)
/me bows - thank you kind sir. It owes a bit to an old friend of mine
who signs his emails "SINcerly"... <g>
Carl
Carl Inglis
<chiron...@operamail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> You gotta love it when some cute thing saunters past, and *both* your
> heads turn to watch the switch-tail action, your eyes meet, and you both
> exclaim: "Hey! *I* saw her first! get yer own!"
Oh yes! I am *so* there! <g> It's even more fun when both parties are
bi, and it's a couple that is being oggled - "He's mine" "No, he's *mine*"
"Well you can have her after I've finished with him." "Huh?" "Damn! Didn't
mean that!" (an actual conversation between myself and an ex-grilfiend)
+Chiron+
> +Chiron+ mentioned his Bi wife. I hate to paint with a broad brush but
> I knew that the moment I saw a picture of him and her. The costuming
> gave them away. I have met very few men women pairs who own clothing[3]
> like that who do not have an open relationship with the girl leaning
> toward girls. I have seen it so many times I have lost count.
Um...
I don't remember posting a link to pictures of the wife before-
Much less with any sort of costuming involved.
Perhaps you're confusing me w/ Carl's pic of him and his wifey?
My wife (and my entire household) can be seen here:
http://tainonation.dyndns.org:8080
Ain't she purty? (I *LOVE* her hair.. =)
Whereas, Carl and his wife are here:
http://www.yoshiwara.demon.co.uk/mindex.htm
(She's pretty too, if a bit young *nudge *nudge* =)
+Chiron+
> I wonder if anyone fancies newgrouping "alt.os.linux.slackware.offtopic"!
But what would we possibly have left to discuss in *here*?
Oh..waitaminnut..
I forgot =)
SLACKWARE..yeah, that's it..SLACKWARE.. =)
Two ravens
<snip>
>
> I love this group =)
How has `Blue Pencil Floyd' managed to hold of on this thread...
--
Two Ravens
Remove $'s for valid address
Two ravens
>
> My wife (and my entire household) can be seen here:
> http://tainonation.dyndns.org:8080
>
Nope! all I got was something about a raven server?
+Chiron+
> "Hey! *I* saw her first! get yer own!" <snip>
>
> Oh yes! I am *so* there! <g> It's even more fun when both parties are
> bi, and it's a couple that is being oggled - "He's mine" "No, he's
> *mine*" "Well you can have her after I've finished with him." "Huh?"
> "Damn! Didn't mean that!" (an actual conversation between myself and an
> ex-grilfiend)
LOL.
That post rocked. =)
Thanks for making me smile today =)
P.S.
What's a grilfiend? =)
*heh*
sl
> V because I'm at the point of the V, Helen is on one end of an arm,
> and Barbara is on the other.
Been there done that. :)
Never terribly successfully tho. <sigh>
It's easier for me to just have a couple of lovers who're close friends of
mine, and never get them together. :/
> sl - I assume you saw the link to http://www.bee.net/cardigan/PAARC/
> on my links page and that's what gave you the clue?
<LoL> I suspect you won't believe me, but no.
I didn't even look at your links page aside from glancing thru the cartoons
to see which ones I already knew.
I just have a very good sense for those things. For starters, pagan, for
seconds, all the stuff in the cartoons was bi-this and bi-that, so one of
you had to be and more often it's the woman.....<shrug> it's hard to
explain all the things that go on in my head. But I'll tell you I can
frequently do it with gay people, and bi most of the time too. <shrug>
sl
sl
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 10:08:10PM +0100, Carl Inglis wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if anyone fancies newgrouping "alt.os.linux.slackware.offtopic"!
>
> i think it only takes one control message to a newsserver who grants
> them, et voile, there it is :)
>
> unfortunately, i don't feel like digging up the needed documentation
> on how to do it exactly.
> feel free to do so :)
How many of us are subscribed to alt.poly, I wonder?
We could certainly move this thread there, but then we'd lose anyone who
didn't wanna subscribe to a new newsgroup.
I vote for meaningful Subjects and keepin' it here. No doubt some of these
folks could use exposure to new and different. ;)
sl
sl
> --(Once apon a time, in alt.os.linux.slackware,)--
> --(sl said it like only they can.)--
>><LoL> Um sure, I guess. Nearly all men adore two women together, so most
>> men think "*jackpot!*" when they hear of a bi woman. ;)
>>
>> sl
>
> /* monogymes is misspelled at least 4 differant ways in this text */
>
> I am going to refrain from the rest of this disscusion for it might
> ruin my chances of running for president later in life but I will make
> a few points here.
Ummm...okay.
You decided to refrain. <shrugs helplessly>
sl
+Chiron+
> +Chiron+ wrote:
>
>
>> My wife (and my entire household) can be seen here:
>> http://tainonation.dyndns.org:8080
>>
>>
> Nope! all I got was something about a raven server?
Odd-
I just tried it again by just dbl-clicking on that same quoted URL (which
by my default opens the URL in mozilla), and it jumped straight to the
index page.
Hmm..
"raven" is the hostname of this machine
(all my machines hostnames are named after my kids)
Instead of going through dyndns.org, try the direct route:
See if that helps any. =)
Keith Keller
I knew there was a reason I liked y'all. :)
--keith, token straight monogamous person, apparently :)
--
kke...@speakeasy.net
public key: http://wombat.san-francisco.ca.us/kkeller/public_key
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sl
> I don't remember posting a link to pictures of the wife before-
> Much less with any sort of costuming involved.
> Perhaps you're confusing me w/ Carl's pic of him and his wifey?
>
> My wife (and my entire household) can be seen here:
> http://tainonation.dyndns.org:8080
I got a webpage, but there wasn't any pic on it, just a note about
"puttering around with the site again".
I'd be rather curious.....
sl
+Chiron+
> <shrug> it's hard to
> explain all the things that go on in my head. But I'll tell you I can
> frequently do it with gay people, and bi most of the time too. <shrug>
*heh*
It's called "Gay-dar" dear. =)
Most of us...erm..."unique" thinkers have it. =)
mRgOBLIN
>
> --keith, token straight monogamous person, apparently :)
>
Bloody minority groups ... lol
mRgOBLIN
+Chiron+
> Oy, you people are a disgrace to the Christian Coalition!
To quote the bumper sticker:
"Doing our part to piss-off the religious right" =)
> I knew there was a reason I liked y'all. :)
*heh*
We're a lovable bunch =)
> --keith, token straight monogamous person, apparently :)
Ain't nothing wrong with that-
We all had heterosexual parentage =)
sl
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:08:49 -0600, sl wrote:
>
>> <shrug> it's hard to
>> explain all the things that go on in my head. But I'll tell you I can
>> frequently do it with gay people, and bi most of the time too. <shrug>
>
> *heh*
>
> It's called "Gay-dar" dear. =)
>
> Most of us...erm..."unique" thinkers have it. =)
<chuckle> see that'd work, but that's usually one gay person detecting
another. Aside from them being nice to look at, I have very little
interest in women other than the *very* occasional snuggling. <shrug>
sl
+Chiron+
Oops.
I should've mentioned that the site is framed, and requires javascript to
be enabled (my menuin system is a nifty little "filemanager-like"
javascript menu.
Try this URL instead:
http://63.227.39.204:8080/photo/index.html
That'll take ya right to the photos page. =)
sl
> Instead of going through dyndns.org, try the direct route:
>
> http://63.227.39.204:8080/
>
> See if that helps any. =)
Nope. Got the identical page.
No picture, just ....
Welcome! I'm puttering around with the site again, so there's not much to
see.
Poke around all you like. =)
And then on the left there a "No Javascript?" thing which starts a menu
about ebooks.
sl
+Chiron+
Fixed.
I'm REALLY lazy when it comes to HTML, and so, all I did was "steal" my
own code from the alt.binaries.e-book FAQ (http://ebook.ultraslack.net)
in throwing together the "family" website.
Mostly it's just something to let me tinker w/ HTML/javascript/Apache, so
I wasn't exactly careful about correcting links/changing the
non-javascript menu to the correct linkage / making sure that it was
accessible from the "outside world".
Everything should be groovy now.
I've fixed the non-javascript menuing (woo 3 links total), so those of
you with OR without javascript should have no issues now.
<The wife should be equally happy that I remembered to remove her
nudie-pages while checking the links =P *heh*>
sl
I left it alone in the window and when I came back it was there. ;)
Didn't get a group pic, but got plenty of individuals.
Do you smile?
I can sorta picture it "<whisper> quick, snap the picture while he's not
looking...AW HELL he saw us, now he won't smile."
;)
sl
+Chiron+
> Got it!
> I left it alone in the window and when I came back it was there. ;)
I fixed the links right after I saw your post. =)
> Didn't get a group pic, but got plenty of individuals.
99.99% of the time, it's me behind the camera. =)
> Do you smile?
Quite alot actually, I'm also almost always laughing about something or
another (I've got one of those booming barritone laughs that's hard to
miss) However, when I see a camera I clam up.
> I can sorta picture it "<whisper> quick, snap the picture while he's not
> looking...AW HELL he saw us, now he won't smile." ;)
That is SO TRUE it's scary. =)
You just had the wife and I LOL at that last bit.
Thanks for giving us a smile. =)
/dev/rob0
Keith Keller wrote:
> Oy, you people are a disgrace to the Christian Coalition!
This is a fact!
> I knew there was a reason I liked y'all. :)
Yeah, I like people who are different.
> --keith, token straight monogamous person, apparently :)
You can't *possibly* be straight with a URL from san-francisco.ca.us! ;)
(I'm from a tiny little notch in the Bible Belt, myself. :)
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or put "not-spam" or "/dev/rob0" in Subject header to reply
sl
>> Do you smile?
> Quite alot actually, I'm also almost always laughing about something or
> another (I've got one of those booming barritone laughs that's hard to
> miss) However, when I see a camera I clam up.
And there's no pic of you with a smile, just strictly the
forbidding-looking pix????????
>> I can sorta picture it "<whisper> quick, snap the picture while he's not
>> looking...AW HELL he saw us, now he won't smile." ;)
> That is SO TRUE it's scary. =)
<grin> Figured.
> You just had the wife and I LOL at that last bit.
> Thanks for giving us a smile. =)
Welcome. :)
So which one is she, in the pix?
sl
Faux_Pseudo
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:49:49 GMT, Faux_Pseudo
> <Faux_...@yahoo.comERCIAL> wrote:
><snip>
>> I am going to refrain from the rest of this disscusion for it might
>> ruin my chances of running for president later in life but I will make
>> a few points here.
>
> Since you have said that you are going to refrain from the rest of the
> discussion, it's possible that you won't see this. However, in a sense
> I hope you do. There are so many things in your post that I'd like to
> discuss, but this whole topic is heading way off-topic.
>
My email mugging is easy enough to figure out. Drop me a line.
I am willing to discuss the issues in email but not in the group.
There is off topic and then there is harmfull to the group. And the
thread is closer to the later than the former.
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