Macross - release info
Keith Rhee
release years of the Macross series? I recall seeing the timeline
posted to this newsgroup a while back, but the post is old and I don't
think the newsgroup feed kept it.
Please post it here, or mail it to qua...@netcom.com. Thanks. ^_^
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Lester Yung
> If anyone knows the info, could someone please post the individual
> release years of the Macross series? I recall seeing the timeline
> posted to this newsgroup a while back, but the post is old and I don't
> think the newsgroup feed kept it.
Macross TV Series - October, 1982
Macross "Do You Remember Love" - July, 1984
Macross II OVA Series - July(?), 1992
Macross Plus OVA Series - August, 1994
Macross 7 TV Series - October, 1994
- L.Y. (no sig yet)
Keith Rhee
>Macross TV Series - October, 1982
>Macross "Do You Remember Love" - July, 1984
>Macross II OVA Series - July(?), 1992
>Macross Plus OVA Series - August, 1994
>Macross 7 TV Series - October, 1994
Thank you! Now, if someone could post their respective position
in the Macross Timeline (i.e. 2009 macross, 2012 flashback, etc)...
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ega...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Haro-chan) writes:
> Continuity A
>1999-2012 Super Dimension Fortress Macross TV, Games
>2012 Super Dimension Fortress Macross Flash Back 2012 Video
>2040 Macross Plus Video (and possibly Movie or TV)
>2045 Macross 7 TV
> Continuity B
>2009 Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Love, Do You Remember
>Movie,
> Games
>2012 Super Dimension Fortress Macross Flash Back 2012 Video
>80 yrs. later Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: Lovers Again Video,
> Movie, Game
So, Macross II isn't considered part of the TV series continuity?
Aaron Newton, the Plaid Ranger
Lester Yung
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>The info released by Bandai thus far suggests that Flash Back 2012
>can be considered a sequel to either the original TV series or the movie.
How can "Flash Back 2012" be a sequel to the TV series? In the video,
the Macross still exists and is the design from the movie, not the TV series.
Oh, my God! Not another timeline! :)
PAUL FRANZEN
Haro-chan
Keith Rhee <qua...@netcom.com> wrote:
>yu...@cs.ualberta.ca (Lester Yung) writes:
>
>>Macross TV Series - October, 1982
>
>>Macross "Do You Remember Love" - July, 1984
>
>>Macross II OVA Series - July(?), 1992
>
>>Macross Plus OVA Series - August, 1994
>
>>Macross 7 TV Series - October, 1994
>
> Thank you! Now, if someone could post their respective position
> in the Macross Timeline (i.e. 2009 macross, 2012 flashback, etc)..
>
which has not yet passed through:
Apparently, not only is the Mac Plus/7 storyline separate from Mac II's,
but it also separate from the storyline of two 1992 video games. Although
the Macross 2036 and Eternal Love Song games are also based on the TV
storyline, they are not part of the current "official" chronology.
Confused? Try this:
Continuity A
1999-2012 Super Dimension Fortress Macross TV, Games
2012 Super Dimension Fortress Macross Flash Back 2012 Video
2040 Macross Plus Video (and possibly Movie or TV)
2045 Macross 7 TV
Continuity B
2009 Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Love, Do You Remember
Movie,
Games
2012 Super Dimension Fortress Macross Flash Back 2012 Video
80 yrs. later Super Dimensional Fortress Macross II: Lovers Again Video,
Movie, Game
Continuity C
1999-2012 Super Dimension Fortress Macross TV
2012 Super Dimension Fortress Macross Flash Back 2012 Video
2035 Super Dimension Fortress Macross 2035 Game
2036 Super Dimension Fortress Macross Eternal Love Song Game
Continuity D
2009? Live-Action Macross Movie (Based on first movie)
Eesh. 'Almost as bad as Yamato. =P
The info released by Bandai thus far suggests that Flash Back 2012
can be considered a sequel to either the original TV series or the movie.
By the way, take this list of continuities as only conjectural.
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>>So, Macross II isn't considered part of the TV series continuity?
It never was. Macross II takes place eighty years after Macross '84
and, barring the new integration of Macross '84 into the series
timeline, Macross II never had a place within the series continuity.
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Keith Rhee
>So, Macross II isn't considered part of the TV series continuity?
Nope. It follows the events of the movie timeline, and this was back
when the movie timeline wasn't declared "alternate" yet.
Now that the TV timeline has been made official to pave way for the
new series (Macross Plus and Macross 7), the movie timeline has been
bumped to become an alternate universe.
See it this way. We Real Lifers (tm) look at Macross TV and say,
"Cool, a SF anime story."
People in the Macross TV universe look at Macross the movie and say,
"Wow, a movie about our experiences in the war." And in a similar
fashion, they'd look upon Macross II and say it's another installment
to the (to them) fictitious timeline.
To put it short, Macross TV is fiction to us, Macross movie/Macross II
is fiction to the Macross TV people. Get it? ^_-
Keith Rhee
>How can "Flash Back 2012" be a sequel to the TV series? In the video,
>the Macross still exists and is the design from the movie, not the TV series.
Macek hacked Macross and killed off the SDF-1 and the crew.
In the original, both survive.
Reed Ballesteros
>yu...@cs.ualberta.ca (Lester Yung) writes:
>>How can "Flash Back 2012" be a sequel to the TV series? In the video,
>>the Macross still exists and is the design from the movie, not the TV series.
> Macek hacked Macross and killed off the SDF-1 and the crew.
> In the original, both survive.
Dude, I think he was not mentioning Robotech at all, buddy...
How I interpret it the other dude was asking how can FB be a sequel to the
original macross series when at the last Minmay video it obviously had
designs based from the Macross movie , not the TV series (well, just trying
to clear his question up...).
Reed
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Haro-chan
Lester Yung <yu...@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>ega...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Haro-chan) writes:
>
> (stuff deleted)
>
>>The info released by Bandai thus far suggests that Flash Back 2012
>>can be considered a sequel to either the original TV series or the movie.
>
>How can "Flash Back 2012" be a sequel to the TV series? In the video,
>the Macross still exists and is the design from the movie, not the TV series.
B-Club suggests that Flash Back video is part of the movie timeline.
Bandai's hype rag throws it in the TV timeline. 'Go figure. =P
In any case, the main events in Flash Back 2012 (i.e. Minmay's Farewell
Summer Concert Tour, Megaroad-01's launching, VF-4's service) are part of
both continuities. In fact, we see what looks like amazingly similar
footage (if not a direct copy) of Flash Back in the Mac 7#1's
introduction.
>Oh, my God! Not another timeline! :)
If it'll make it as convoluted as Yamato or Gundam, hey, why not? =P
Just being me,
Egan Loo
Lester Yung
>yu...@cs.ualberta.ca (Lester Yung) writes:
>>How can "Flash Back 2012" be a sequel to the TV series? In the video,
>>the Macross still exists and is the design from the movie, not the TV series.
> Macek hacked Macross and killed off the SDF-1 and the crew.
> In the original, both survive.
Did I miss Kawamori revising the Macross universe for the sake of Macross 7 and
Macross Plus, or something? In my Macross books (Perfect Memory and others),
wherever there's a picture of the destroyed ship from the final episode,
the captions always mentions something about it being the Macross.
Lester Yung
>yu...@gsb020.cs.ualberta.ca (Lester Yung) writes:
>>Out of curiosity, how did the notion come about that it was a different ship,
>>not the SDF-1, that Kamjin did a suicide attack on in the final episode of
>>the TV series?
> From people on irc (#anime!), I've been told that Khyron destroyed the
> combat bridge, but the crew, having survived the attack, moved to the
> main bridge (which they hadn't used for ages), and Khyron's suicide
> attack missed, crippling the SDF-1, but not fatally so, and missed the
> bridge, hitting a ship behind it instead.
> Now, I don't know the exact extent of damage to the SDF-1 (total
The bridge section, the main gun, and half of the starboard section were blown/
sheared off. So, it wasn't completely destroyed, but if it were a car, you
could consider it totaled.
> destruction or not), but there have been references to Capt. Gloval
> in the new series, so you know that at least he survived in the original,
> where as in the Robotech version the whole crew except Misa got killed.
> It's been a long time since I've seen the series, though, and I didn't
> see the ending in the original. Someone who's seen it and has a fresh
> memory care to comment?
Keith Rhee
>If it'll make it as convoluted as Yamato or Gundam, hey, why not? =P
Hey, Gundam's timeline isn't all that messy, aside from the startout
point of the Universal Century timeline.
(Though I wish they'd clear up the region between 0080 and 0087)
Lester Yung
>In article <36ur7m$j...@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca>,
>Lester Yung <yu...@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>>ega...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Haro-chan) writes:
>>
>> (stuff deleted)
>>
>>>The info released by Bandai thus far suggests that Flash Back 2012
>>>can be considered a sequel to either the original TV series or the movie.
>>
>>How can "Flash Back 2012" be a sequel to the TV series? In the video,
>>the Macross still exists and is the design from the movie, not the TV series.
>B-Club suggests that Flash Back video is part of the movie timeline.
>Bandai's hype rag throws it in the TV timeline. 'Go figure. =P
>In any case, the main events in Flash Back 2012 (i.e. Minmay's Farewell
>Summer Concert Tour, Megaroad-01's launching, VF-4's service) are part of
>both continuities. In fact, we see what looks like amazingly similar
>footage (if not a direct copy) of Flash Back in the Mac 7#1's
>introduction.
Those particular events you mentioned I have no problem with, since references
were made to the latter two in the final TV episode, and I could imagine Minmay
going on a tour one last time before leaving Earth. However, as you pointed
out in a different post (at least I think it was you), the SDF-1 was indeed
destroyed in the final episode of the TV series (contrary to the current rumor
that the SDF-1's destruction was purely a Robotech event). Since there is
a shot in "Flash Back 2012" featuring the Megaroad flying overhead the Macross,
and since the events in the final episode occured before the departure of
the Megaroad, the SDF-1 featured in the video could not have been from
the TV series; therefore, by the process of elimination, the SDF-1 featured
in the video was from the movie, making it exclusively part of
the movie continuity (unless, of course, there's another continuity in which
the Macross survived long enough for the Megaroad to fly over it! :< ) Anyway,
in the "Tenshi no Enogu" video (i.e. all the animation made specifically for
the music video), the MOVIE version of the Macross is shown (note that
the SDF-1 from the movie has A.R.M.D space carriers as forearms, whereas
the TV version had an aircraft carrier and a landing vessel).
Out of curiosity, how did the notion come about that it was a different ship,
not the SDF-1, that Kamjin did a suicide attack on in the final episode of
the TV series?
- L.Y. (no sig yet)
Keith Rhee
>Out of curiosity, how did the notion come about that it was a different ship,
>not the SDF-1, that Kamjin did a suicide attack on in the final episode of
>the TV series?
From people on irc (#anime!), I've been told that Khyron destroyed the
combat bridge, but the crew, having survived the attack, moved to the
main bridge (which they hadn't used for ages), and Khyron's suicide
attack missed, crippling the SDF-1, but not fatally so, and missed the
bridge, hitting a ship behind it instead.
Now, I don't know the exact extent of damage to the SDF-1 (total
destruction or not), but there have been references to Capt. Gloval
in the new series, so you know that at least he survived in the original,
where as in the Robotech version the whole crew except Misa got killed.
It's been a long time since I've seen the series, though, and I didn't
see the ending in the original. Someone who's seen it and has a fresh
memory care to comment?
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Peter Evans
>In article <37sk7r$4...@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca>,
>Lester Yung <yu...@gsb020.cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>[Lie Yang's well-constructed and logical reasoning about Flash Back 2012]
>Macross is not the first anime with internal contradictions and fuzzy
>continuities. =P (Wait til you see Exedore in Mac 7.) Why did Bandai put
>Flash Back 2012 in the timeline currently in vogue? Well, actually, I
>don't know. Here is what is written in Bandai Visual's Entertainment
>Magazine (October 1994):
was that really exedore? wasnt he a big blue dude with a metal
half-head?
>------------
>AD 2031 Chou Jikuu Yousai Macross: Ai * Oboeteimasuka
have you seen the end of the Mac+ ld? it is so funny ^_^;
when they showed this at the event, the audience were laughing
themselves silly.
>-------------
>Okay, that was a lot typin' 'n' translatin' on the fly. =P Macross 7
>shows only the Megaroad-01 flying above Britai's ship. However, it is the
>Megaroad of the design used in Flash Back, not the design that the
>Macross series creators had earlier conceived but never animated.
I think I will forever remain ignorant of the original, it's safer!
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Peter Evans <pe...@ryutai.co.jp> wrote:
>ega...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Haro-chan) wrote:
>>In article <37sk7r$4...@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca>,
>>Lester Yung <yu...@gsb020.cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>>[Lie Yang's well-constructed and logical reasoning about Flash Back 2012]
First off, my apologies to Lester Yung for mispelling his name. Eesh! The
second time in one week. =/
> was that really exedore? wasnt he a big blue dude with a metal
> half-head?
Metal half-head? =) That would Britai. Exedore has changed quite a bit,
though, so I can see how he can be hard to recognize.
>
>>------------
>>AD 2031 Chou Jikuu Yousai Macross: Ai * Oboeteimasuka
>
> have you seen the end of the Mac+ ld? it is so funny ^_^;
> when they showed this at the event, the audience were laughing
> themselves silly.
=D Now I gotta go out and rent the video.
>>Okay, that was a lot typin' 'n' translatin' on the fly. =P Macross 7
>>shows only the Megaroad-01 flying above Britai's ship. However, it is the
>>Megaroad of the design used in Flash Back, not the design that the
>>Macross series creators had earlier conceived but never animated.
>
> I think I will forever remain ignorant of the original, it's safer!
>
> when you next in tokyo??
Not soon enough. =/ When I do (in December?), though, I hope to visit you,
Hitoshi, and Mandarake (not neccessarily in that order =P).
Just being me,
Egan Loo
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Haro-chan
Lester Yung <yu...@gsb020.cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
[Lie Yang's well-constructed and logical reasoning about Flash Back 2012]
Macross is not the first anime with internal contradictions and fuzzy
continuities. =P (Wait til you see Exedore in Mac 7.) Why did Bandai put
Flash Back 2012 in the timeline currently in vogue? Well, actually, I
don't know. Here is what is written in Bandai Visual's Entertainment
Magazine (October 1994):
------------
History of Macross
AD 2009-2010 Chou Jikuu Yousai Macross*
The immense battleship Macross falls from space. After restoring it,
Humankind is embroiled in a war with the Centrady Army and Macross
travels in space carrying a large number of refugees. The Centrady's
fighting capabilities are stymied by the Minmay Tactic, and one year
after the war's beginning, the first great stellar war concludes.
Former stunt pilot Hikaru Ichijo[u] joins the UN Spacy. Lynn Minmay
debuts as an idol singer. Bridge officer Misa Hayase.
AD 2012 Chou Jikuu Yousai Macross Flash Back 2012
Lynn Minmay holds Farewell Summer Concert Tour.
Lynn Minmay sings for the giant Centrady and records "Angel's
Paintcolors/Paintbrush" ["Tenshi no E no Gu"].
AD 2031 Chou Jikuu Yousai Macross: Ai * Oboeteimasuka
A movie protraying Minmay's love, "Love, Do You Remember," debuts and
becomes a big hit. The Minmay boom rekindles.
From the basis of the TV series, a entirely new theatrical release is
created about the love triangle of Hikaru, Minmay, and Misa. Starring as
Lynn Minmay, Mari Iijima sings "Love, Do You Remember" and performs The
Best Ten [songs of Minmay].
AD 2040 Macross Plus
Virtual singer Sharon Apple's popularity explodes. On the Human-colonized
planet of Eden, the prototype mecha competition for the YF-19 and YF-21
is conducted.
AD 2045 Macross 7
--And now, AD 2045. Humankind meets a new adversary, the strongest
adversary yet: the Varauta Army!
Parallel World Chou Jikuu Yousai Macross II
[*VT & LD covers appears next to each anime title]
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Okay, that was a lot typin' 'n' translatin' on the fly. =P Macross 7
shows only the Megaroad-01 flying above Britai's ship. However, it is the
Megaroad of the design used in Flash Back, not the design that the
Macross series creators had earlier conceived but never animated.
Just being me,
Egan Loo
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Haro-chan
>
>>If it'll make it as convoluted as Yamato or Gundam, hey, why not? =P
>
> Hey, Gundam's timeline isn't all that messy, aside from the startout
> point of the Universal Century timeline.
>
> (Though I wish they'd clear up the region between 0080 and 0087)
Well, Gundam does have at least three anime continuities, and even the most
accepted and complete one has enough fuzzy spots and incongruities to
keep you busy answering r.a.a. questions. =P
(The above continuity count ignores the SD videos and the whole
bookshelf of Tomino novels, but I suppose most fans do that anyways. =))
Just being me,
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Alan Liu
> destruction or not), but there have been references to Capt. Gloval
> in the new series, so you know that at least he survived in the original,
> where as in the Robotech version the whole crew except Misa got killed.
Just watched the TV-Series in cantonese sub and dub. At the 36th episode,
Capt Glover give Misa and Rick (Whatever teh japanese name is ?? Hitoshi??)
the mission to 'GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY'. I remember something about him
sending them off in the Zentraedi ship as opposed to the SDF-1.
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