The Viet Cong
bnpham
VN not by "every inhabitant was a combatant". The South did
not rise up to his call more than once. The communists won in
the South because of hundreds of thoudsands heavily armed troops
with the most modern and heaviest weapons marching down from
the North.
The only "every inhabitant was a combatant" they had were the
every young North VNese men they callously threw in the battle
to die. The majority of the 1.1 million dead fighters they
suffered.
Ralph McGehee wrote:
>
> Further Information RE: RE: No understanding
>
> How We Won the War: By General Vo Nguyen Giap & Van Tien Dung.
>
> Preface -- "In fact, there is no way that the U.S. could have won
> in Vietnam."
> -------------------------------
> Ralph McGehee
> CIABASE
>
> Other sources:
>
> Vietnam, Giap explained people's war: "every inhabitant was a combatant;
> every village a fortress; every party cell and village adm committee a
> staff hqs. entire people took part in armed struggle..."
> Burchett, w. (1977). grasshoppers & elephants why Vietnam fell 263
>
> Vietnam, 54-75 neither French nor U.S. truly comprehended nature of war
> in vn. this despite fact that Vo Nguyen Giap, the military theoretician,
> had repeatedly explained in print, for over three decades the theory and
> practice of "people's war" in Vietnam. gettleman, franklin, young &
> franklin, (95), Vietnam and America 193
>
> Vietnam, 45-75 book edited by robert manning, 1988, war in the shadows:
> the Vietnam experience. a number of scholars and participants in war wrote
> individual chapters of the book. the book in many aspects is the most
> informative, concise and accurate of many of the books on clandestine ops
> in Vietnam of the special operating groups (SOGs) and cia's various
> programs. the U.S.'s leading wartime writer/scholar on the vietcong,
> douglas pike, wrote the chapter, "the vietcong secret war." he states
> liberation associations of the vc were villagers molded into tight-knit,
> self-controlled, self-contained associations. mao tse-tung of china and Vo
> Nguyen Giap had called liberation associations the initial phase and the
> sine qua non of their revolutions. in 63, the vc announced that seven
> million south Vietnamese (generally rural civilians) had joined these
> associations. pike's article avoids numbers but those massive figures were
> intel community's most sacrosanct secret or most egregious failure. if cia
> had known and/or reported the seven - million - person - strong association
> structure -- it would have invalidated all U.S. justifications for the war;
> ergo, no war. liberation association members -- or to put it another way --
> most of the South Vietnamese -- and their dedication, caused our defeat in
> Vietnam. Victory was never a possibility. CIABASE Update 1/95
>
> Vietnam, 55 Vo Nguyen Giap on 3/55 re migration. after withdrawal of
> French, opposite side began entice and coerce nvnese catholics from
> thanh-hoa and nghe-an provinces to go south using themes: god has gone
> south, those who remain will lose souls. those going south will get land
> and draught animals, those who stay behind will die from american atomic
> bombs. tried to slander nvn for violating geneva agreements. levant, v.
> (1986). quiet complicity: canadian involvement in the Vietnam war 134
>
>
leo_p...@my-dejanews.com
The other references would need to be more credible than the first.
Wilfred Burchett was a member of the Australian Communist Party and
considered a traitor by most Australians. Burchett didn't record that
village chiefs who didn't co-operate were routinely disembowelled by
the party enforcers. Their families also.
Leo Powning
(Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia)
> Ralph McGehee
> CIABASE
> Other sources:
> Vietnam, Giap explained people's war: "every inhabitant was a combatant;
> every village a fortress; every party cell and village adm committee a
> staff hqs. entire people took part in armed struggle..."
> Burchett, w. (1977). grasshoppers & elephants why Vietnam fell 263
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It is my conclusion that for reporting on the Vietnam War
you could throw away most all U.S. official reporting
and intel on the war and just read Burchett and you would have
a much more accurate -- if overblown -- picture of the war.
He states things quite clearly and in a manner different from
the VC and NVN leaders so they are more understanable
to the us.
Pls look at my web site http://members.tripod.com/CIABASE/index.html
for some of my articles re the war.
Ralph McGehee
In article <73575a$osi$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Bill Patterson
> Please spare us Giap's rhetorics. The communists won in South
> VN not by "every inhabitant was a combatant". The South did
> not rise up to his call more than once. The communists won in
> the South because of hundreds of thoudsands heavily armed troops
> with the most modern and heaviest weapons marching down from
> the North.
bnpham,Question Sir, who were you with in the Vietnam war, what outfit???
Sincerely,
Bill Patterson
B/2/16, 1st. Inf. Div., Vietnam 1965-66...
<><
Mike Hunt
>
> Please spare us Giap's rhetorics. The communists won in South
> VN not by "every inhabitant was a combatant". The South did
> not rise up to his call more than once. The communists won in
> the South because of hundreds of thoudsands heavily armed troops
> with the most modern and heaviest weapons marching down from
> the North.
>
> every young North VNese men they callously threw in the battle
> to die.
There you have it. bnpham believes there was no one from the south
fighting against his rampantly corrupt government and rampantly corrupt
military.
Delusional.
HOLLIS6475
most statesiders.........................
and for the trolls, they are not worth a leach hangin on the balls of the
sorriest VC.
dG
100% DVA, III MAF, Lima 3/3, India 3/3 RVN 1969 USMC
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CUITH
CUITH
>I personally Have more respect for the Viet Cong and Bac Biet, than I do
>for
>most statesiders.
Agreed. I have more respect for the VC,
Bru, PSDF's and PF's than my own here
in the states.
You didn't have to like Charlie, but you had
to respect him as one combat vet to another.
Most of us(in the units I served with) didn't
hate Charlie. Hatred "blinds" a person and
that can prove fatal to you and your buddies
and could waste a Cap unit.
Doc Lutes, Caps
CUITH
?
Sorry Gunny. I haven't had my first cup of
coffee yet. I'll try again.
Doc Lutes
leo_p...@my-dejanews.com
> Leo: There are now many references to the reality of Vietnam.
> It is my conclusion that for reporting on the Vietnam War
> you could throw away most all U.S. official reporting
> and intel on the war and just read Burchett and you would have
> a much more accurate -- if overblown -- picture of the war.
> He states things quite clearly and in a manner different from
> the VC and NVN leaders so they are more understanable
> to the us.
> Pls look at my web site http://members.tripod.com/CIABASE/index.html
> for some of my articles re the war.
> Ralph McGehee
Burchett's name is anathema to Allied servicemen.
He actively assisted the North Koreans to interrogate Australian, US and
UK POWs during the Korean war and KGB defector, Yuri Krotkov, testified
before a U.S. Senate committee that Burchett worked for Hanoi and
Beijing as an agent during the Vietnam war.
Burchett ranks right alongside Benedict Arnold for treachery and as such
his writings have no credibility whatever.
Leo
WarLib'yUK
<leo_p...@my-dejanews.com
>Burchett ranks right alongside Benedict Arnold for treachery
now just a bloody minute old chap, General Benedict Arnold is considered
a patriot in some circles.
Regards
Nigel Brooks
rmcg...@igc.org
this unwinnable and genocidal war? If so why? Do you discredit
his reporting due to his record. What reporting do you credit?
I from personal experience, readings of all versions of the
Pentagon Papers, compiling studies on Asian Communism, and from
many, many books have reached the conclusions re gvt versus Burchett's
reporting.
Pls see my webpage that provides CIA comments on my studies and
other work.
Your rationale for discrediting and ignoring Burchett's
reporting makes little sense -- other than an outlet for venting
spleen.
Ralph McGehee
http://www.members.tripod.com/CIABASE/index.html
In article <7399u9$so3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
HOLLIS6475
>
>You didn't have to like Charlie, but you had
>to respect him as one combat vet to another.
Yep we use to call him Mr. Charles out of repect on certain ocassions.
Also respect does not represent any spacific emotion attached.
HOLLIS6475
>
>Sorry Gunny. I haven't had my first cup of
>coffee yet. I'll try again.
>
>Doc Lutes
>
DOC ROTHFMAO, it is a common occurance around here to. Most of my typing is
done pre-coffee time.
Hollis