Repost -- CIA Assassinations

[Ralph McGehee]

[P. KAATZ]

Ralph what the heck is all this crap on a stick with the CIA -- you must have them confused with the KGB. GRU, NKVD< MGB and the boys with the FEC -- they did in l8,000,000 people. What the hell did the CIA ever do to you -- did someone steal your rattle. Ralph McGehee <rmcg...@igc.org> wrote in message news:36EE51CE...@igc.org... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Assassinations > I am ironically bemused by the debate on political assassinations -- > including anonymous' comments - below. > Last week the President apologized for the CIA and military abetting > the slaughter of 200,000 poor, Mayan Guatemalans. This apparently moves > of the pale of assassinations into the realm of -- oh well -- and as such > deserves little discussion. > We know that in the past the CIA routinely considered political > assassinations and admitted to a few under congressional pressure. > We have no idea of the total scope of those assassinations as it is > hidden from us under the rubric of National Security. > On the other hand we have the recent words of the staff director of > the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), that the CIA > is building a strong paramilitary capability. Paramilitary is another > way of saying civilians killing directly or by proxy. So while we debate > the morality, practicality, or other aspects of assassinations, the HPSCI > and the CIA openly build a killing force. > The record of the CIA and its paramilitaries (I was one) is or > should be known to all. In Vietnam at least 35,000 assassinations, > in Indonesia, the abetting of the killing of up to a million people, > the deaths in CIA's Secret War in Laos. > The recent events surrounding Pinochet's problems -- a military despot > empowered by the CIA. > CIA's support of Death Squads or death-squad-supporting governments > around the planet. > One could write a list of wholesale killings engendered by our > National Security State. > One thought comes to mind -- as we go about killing people to > protect our "National Security" when will victim countries and peoples > retaliate? Is this blowback occurring now with International Terrorism? > The Morality of such? I burned out emotionally fighting and protesting > the wholesale slaughter of the Vietnamese (some four million people) > during that unjustified and unwinnable war. > For a short while we seemed to draw back our killing impulses but > during the eighties they took on new life. > Now as the President apologizes -- we plan further wholesale slaughters. > Is it moral? Is it practical? Is it just politics? Who Cares? > To justify the killings, the CIA builds again the Mighty Wurlitzer -- > a massive media facility to turn public opinion on demand, and on a dime. > George Orwell shouts from his grave -- "The Ministry of Truth," "the Ministry > of Peace," are well and operating in the Land of the Free -- the Central > "Intelligence" Agency. > Ralph McGehee > http://come.to/CIABASE > --------------------------------- > Anon: > >Well, a lot of hoopla about darts, and umbrellas, and who's going to move > >into the limelight by doing another subversive somewhere...while the question > >comes up "but is it legal"? "Is it murder"? While somewhere deep in the > >American psyche resides the notion that killing a dog - or a bunch of them - > >isn't a crime at all. Not even under modern statutes. It merely constitutes > >a misdemeanor depending on the value of the dog; simple destruction of > private property? > >Well, what if ownership of the dog can't be established? Absentee ownership, > >perhaps. Seems then that there is no crime at all. Cruelty to animals? Yes, > >that should be punishable! > >But if the dog - and I love dogs - is about to bite a small child? Would > >then be justifiable to do him ? Before he bites? > >This concept of "a smaller evil to accomplish a greater good"; or "a smaller > >evil to avert an even greater one" seems to be equally well anchored in > >American psyche. > >When, then, either now or in the past, is it legal and justified to kill > >another human being ahead of time? If the answer is "never", we are > >saying then that we must wait until the potential purpotrator has done > >somebody. But if we have knowledge that this purpotrator - or many of them - > >is about to do somebody, and we remain silent? Where does the concept of > >conspiracy come into conflict with "silent consent"? > >No wonder those politicians make a lot of money: they're damned if they > >and they're damned if they don't. I wish someone would answer these > >questions; but I suppose it's better to live in a democracy where the > >politicians do the thinking, rather than in a de facto dictatorship where > >every Tom, Dick and Anarchist wants to shnip a piece of the pie... > >Yours faithfully, > >Anonymous > --------------4ACF4B483DF5D222EEFBF265--

[WarLibyUK]

FEC - Federal Elections Commission?

Nigel Brooks

"P. KAATZ" wrote:
>
> Ralph what the heck is all this crap on a stick with the CIA -- you must
> have them confused with the KGB. GRU, NKVD< MGB and the boys with the FEC --
> they did in l8,000,000 people. What the hell did the CIA ever do to you --
> did someone steal your rattle.
>
> Ralph McGehee <rmcg...@igc.org> wrote in message
> news:36EE51CE...@igc.org...
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
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> >
> > Assassinations
> >
> > I am ironically bemused by the debate on political assassinations --
> > including anonymous' comments - below.
> >
> > Last week the President apologized for the CIA and military abetting
> > the slaughter of 200,000 poor, Mayan Guatemalans. This apparently moves

> out

> it

> > >then be justifiable to do him ? Before he bites?
> >
> > >This concept of "a smaller evil to accomplish a greater good"; or "a
> smaller
> > >evil to avert an even greater one" seems to be equally well anchored in

> the

> > >American psyche.
> >
> > >When, then, either now or in the past, is it legal and justified to kill
> > >another human being ahead of time? If the answer is "never", we are
> > >saying then that we must wait until the potential purpotrator has done
> > >somebody. But if we have knowledge that this purpotrator - or many of
> them -
> > >is about to do somebody, and we remain silent? Where does the concept of
> > >conspiracy come into conflict with "silent consent"?
> >
> > >No wonder those politicians make a lot of money: they're damned if they

> do,

[Ken Burington]

Nigel,

And don't forget Morris Garage's fine little MGB, preferably in BRG.

Ken Burington
CWL #79

WarLibyUK wrote in message <36F3D2F4...@msn.com>...

[William Langston]

Absolutely, although I prefer the Midget, I don't think I could get into
one nowadays! <G> Love that BRG too.

Semper Fi, Bill Langston.

[William Langston]

No I don't Pat. Got a picture of one?

Semper Fi, Bill Langston.

pat...@memes.com wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:27:59 -0600, William Langston <l...@iosa.com>
> wrote:
>
> You by any chance remember the 53 Mayflower? I would love to put a
> 350 cube small block in one of those puppies with some fuel injection
> and modern suspension.
>
> As the toolman would say, arh, arh, arh!

[William Langston]

Rodger that RF, other countries made sports cars too and I like them too
but those British sports cars of the 40-50-60s were sure fun. By the
way, if you don't think you could 'shoehorn' into an 'A' car, don't even
think about a Midget or Sprite! <G>

Semper Fi, Bill Langston.

Red Fox wrote:
>
> I'm no expert on cars, but when I was at Ft Devens I had a little '60 MGA
> with an 1800 engine that was right next to sex - but like has been said, I
> don't know if I could get into it today, or rather get back out once in.
> -Lou-
>
> William Langston wrote in message <36F7A4EF...@iosa.com>...

[pat...@memes.com]

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:27:59 -0600, William Langston <l...@iosa.com>
wrote:

You by any chance remember the 53 Mayflower? I would love to put a
350 cube small block in one of those puppies with some fuel injection
and modern suspension.

As the toolman would say, arh, arh, arh!

>Absolutely, although I prefer the Midget, I don't think I could get into

[Red Fox]

I'm no expert on cars, but when I was at Ft Devens I had a little '60 MGA
with an 1800 engine that was right next to sex - but like has been said, I
don't know if I could get into it today, or rather get back out once in.
-Lou-

William Langston wrote in message <36F7A4EF...@iosa.com>...

[pat...@memes.com]

On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:12:51 -0800, "Red Fox"
<RFea...@prairieweb.com> wrote:

My 52 MGTD was actually quite roomy for my 6'4", much better and more
comfortable than most Fords. I don't know what it is about my body
and Fords but they are uncomfortable as hell for me.

You could even get physical in the MG if you had a sense of humor and
imagination to boot. I think if you went to sit in the car today, you
would be surprised about how much leg room you had to work with.

[HOLLIS6475]

HAd a '60 Mark II Sprite........a major fun car.

Dad's thought it was a safe vehicle for thier daughters..........But
nope..........

Bill, looks Like I have to come over and get you ready for the PRT!!!!!!!!!!

Semper Fi

Hollis

100% DVA, III MAF, Lima 3/3, India 3/3 RVN 1969 USMC

[pat...@memes.com]

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:12:17 -0600, William Langston <l...@iosa.com>
wrote:

I will go look right now, it looked like a miniature rolls royce. The
body was made by Talbot (The Roots Group") I would seriously consider
for almost a full minute trading one of my muscle cars for one of
these puppies in any condition.

>No I don't Pat. Got a picture of one?
>
>Semper Fi, Bill Langston.
>
>pat...@memes.com wrote:
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[pat...@memes.com]

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:12:17 -0600, William Langston <l...@iosa.com>
wrote:

>No I don't Pat. Got a picture of one?

Here ya go. The Mayflower. Takes a minute to load, look at the MG
while you are at it.
http://www.hodkinson.force9.co.uk/page3.html

[William Langston]

I hear that, Gunny, LOL. I'm here to tell ya that you can make love in a
Midget if you want to bad enough! I saw one a couple of years ago and
could not believe that the wife and me could have actually done it!!!
Man, I was a horny Marine!! It was before I was being shipped out for
'Nam' tho.

Semper Fi, Bill Langston.

[William Langston]

Yeah, but you are talking about the TD Pat. the MGs that followed did
not have near as much 'wiggle room'. Yes the TD was one of the best
'Classics' although the performance was really not that cool. Your
Sunbeam was probably one of the top performers and I'd love to have one
now.<G>

Semper Fi, Bill Langston.

[William Langston]

Thanks Patrick, it took a while for me to load but was worth every byte.
<G> Now I see what ya mean, that would be a real sleeper! Bet it has all
leather and wood on the dash too. How come no Morgan in those pics?

Semper Fi, Bill Langston.

pat...@memes.com wrote:

[pat...@memes.com]

On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 01:05:22 -0600, William Langston <l...@iosa.com>
wrote:
Evidently, that was his personal collection. If I was still a fan of
British Cars, I would definately go for a Sunbeam Talbot or a Talbot
Lago too. Never did like the Morgan, the subtle difference made them
ugly in my personal opinion.

Wouldn't have another Tiger. Clutch had to be replaced a couple times
a year, (or maybe that was my driving habits)

I have the distinction of having the ugliest car in the world by the
way stolen from my collection in Long Beach, California. It was the
Skoda, Felicia..got about 60 miles to the gallon as I remember. Had
it chained to a car port post and they got it anyway.

>Thanks Patrick, it took a while for me to load but was worth every byte.
><G> Now I see what ya mean, that would be a real sleeper! Bet it has all
>leather and wood on the dash too. How come no Morgan in those pics?
>
>Semper Fi, Bill Langston.
>
>
>pat...@memes.com wrote:
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