Two Really Dumb Questions
kushiel
to get out of torpor? I'd assume so - I'm guessing that the restriction on
inferior Mummify ("this vampire cannot attempt the leave torpor action") only
applies to the cardless, costs-two-blood action.
2) Must you tap Creepshow Casino when an undirected action is declared, or
can you wait to see if you need the stealth?
Thanks.
Kushiel
Ira
> 1) If a vampire plays Mummify at inferior, can he later use Rapid Healing
> to get out of torpor? I'd assume so - I'm guessing that the restriction on
> inferior Mummify ("this vampire cannot attempt the leave torpor action") only
> applies to the cardless, costs-two-blood action.
I didn't really believe your subject line, but that is a laughably
dumb question. Mummify is a horrible card. Why does it exist? I
don't know the answer to your question, though.
> 2) Must you tap Creepshow Casino when an undirected action is declared, or
> can you wait to see if you need the stealth?
Card text - You must tap it when you declare the action. If you
don't have the card, check out http://monger.vekn.org or the official
card text on WW's site.
Ira
Emile Bosman
> Hey Kushiel,
>
> > 1) If a vampire plays Mummify at inferior, can he later use Rapid Healing
> > to get out of torpor? I'd assume so - I'm guessing that the restriction on
> > inferior Mummify ("this vampire cannot attempt the leave torpor action") only
> > applies to the cardless, costs-two-blood action.
Card text states that you can not leave torpor.
Rapid Healing card text.
Rapid Healing
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Fortitude
+1 stealth action. Only usable by a vampire in torpor.
[for] The acting vampire leaves torpor. If the vampire is blocked,
there is no combat. If the blocking minion is a vampire who can commit
diablerie, that vampire may diablerize the acting vampire.
[FOR] As above, and the vampire leaving torpor gains 1 blood from the
blood bank.
So the answer to you're question is no as per card text on both
Mummify an Rapid Healing.
Emile
"We are an ape with a symbiotic relationship to a mushroom"
Ape
> 1) If a vampire plays Mummify at inferior, can he later use Rapid Healing
> to get out of torpor? I'd assume so - I'm guessing that the restriction on
> inferior Mummify ("this vampire cannot attempt the leave torpor action") only
> applies to the cardless, costs-two-blood action.
>
[ser] Strike: combat ends. This vampire untaps and goes into torpor;
put this card on the vampire. This vampire cannot attempt the leave
torpor action. Burn this card if the vampire leaves torpor. [SER] As
above, but this vampire may attempt the leave torpor action.
--------------------
rapid healing
+1 stealth action. Only usable by a vampire in torpor. [for] The
acting vampire leaves torpor. If the vampire is blocked, there is no
combat: if the blocking minion is a vampire who can commit diablerie,
that vampire may diablerize the acting vampire. [FOR] As above, and
the vampire leaving torpor gains 1 blood from the blood bank.
---------
The way I get this u can not do the free action: leave torpor, but can
use rapid healing.
> Thanks.
>
> Kushiel
LSJ
> ira...@yahoo.com (Ira) wrote in message news:<500e74e.03110...@posting.google.com>...
>>>to get out of torpor? I'd assume so - I'm guessing that the restriction on
>>>inferior Mummify ("this vampire cannot attempt the leave torpor action") only
>>>applies to the cardless, costs-two-blood action.
> Card text states that you can not leave torpor.
> Rapid Healing card text.
> [for] The acting vampire leaves torpor. If the vampire is blocked,
> So the answer to you're question is no as per card text on both
> Mummify an Rapid Healing.
Correct.
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LSJ
>>2) Must you tap Creepshow Casino when an undirected action is declared, or
>>can you wait to see if you need the stealth?
>
> Card text - You must tap it when you declare the action. If you
> don't have the card, check out http://monger.vekn.org or the official
> card text on WW's site.
Correct.
Timlagor
> ira...@yahoo.com (Ira) wrote in message news:<500e74e.03110...@posting.google.com>...
> > Hey Kushiel,
> >
> > > 1) If a vampire plays Mummify at inferior, can he later use Rapid Healing
> > > to get out of torpor? I'd assume so - I'm guessing that the restriction on
> > > inferior Mummify ("this vampire cannot attempt the leave torpor action") only
> > > applies to the cardless, costs-two-blood action.
>
> Card text states that you can not leave torpor.
Piffle! It says you cannot "ATTEMPT *THE* LEAVE TORPOR ACTION" which I
would interpret as forbidding the default action only.
The phrase quoted above is highlighted in the Card List but I don't know
what that means. (might be about to be changed or might have just been
changed or something else)
The Fanboy
It wasn't quite so bad when it was first printed.
Back then, Fame hit the bearer's prey, so if you made your Setite
famous, then wound up in combat, you could at least play mummify to
nail your prey for three pool. 7/7 got rid of that usage, though.
The card still does have corner-case utility. Sending your own vamp
to torpor is better than having it be burned. Against decks that use
combat follow-ups to trump S:CE (Psyche, Tracking, Lurker, etc),
Mummify trumps the trump. A vampire in torper can't be Psyched. If
you self-torpor on your own turn, you can then rescue with one of your
other vampires. So in a situation where Majesty, Staredown, or
Catatonic Fear would've resulted in your vampire reentering combat and
possibly getting burned, you settle the matter quickly.
Is that always useful? Not at all.
But there's a use for it. It's a better card than Phobia, at any
rate.
Fanboy
VTES2004
> Emile Bosman wrote:
> > ira...@yahoo.com (Ira) wrote in message news:<500e74e.03110...@posting.google.com>...
> >>>1) If a vampire plays Mummify at inferior, can he later use Rapid Healing
> >>>to get out of torpor? I'd assume so - I'm guessing that the restriction on
> >>>inferior Mummify ("this vampire cannot attempt the leave torpor action") only
> >>>applies to the cardless, costs-two-blood action.
> > Card text states that you can not leave torpor.
> > Rapid Healing card text.
> > +1 stealth action. Only usable by a vampire in torpor.
> > [for] The acting vampire leaves torpor. If the vampire is blocked,
> [...]
>
> > So the answer to you're question is no as per card text on both
> > Mummify an Rapid Healing.
>
> Correct.
So the errata is ????
How can you post something like this without some kind of errata?
seriously?
Errata'd to?
Mummify
-------
Strike: combat ends. This vampire untaps and goes into torpor; put
this card on the vampire. *This vampire cannot attempt any action that
would cause this vampire to leave torpor*. Burn this card if the
vampire leaves torpor.
SUP: As above, but this vampire may attempt *any action that would
cause this vampire to leave torpor*.
===
LSJ
> So the errata is ????
No errata.
> How can you post something like this without some kind of errata?
> seriously?
Rapid Healing is an example of the leave torpor action.
Computer Hacking is an exaple of the bleed action.
Timlagor
> >Mummify is a horrible card. Why does it exist?
>
> It wasn't quite so bad when it was first printed.
>
> Back then, Fame hit the bearer's prey, so if you made your Setite
> famous, then wound up in combat, you could at least play mummify to
> nail your prey for three pool. 7/7 got rid of that usage, though.
>
> The card still does have corner-case utility. Sending your own vamp
> to torpor is better than having it be burned. Against decks that use
> combat follow-ups to trump S:CE (Psyche, Tracking, Lurker, etc),
> Mummify trumps the trump. A vampire in torper can't be Psyched. If
I don't think it does. Psyche! and TT should beat it just the same way
they beat Rotschreck. Combat fails to end properly so the rest of the
effect doesn't take place.
Hollowboy
> >Mummify is a horrible card. Why does it exist?
>
> It wasn't quite so bad when it was first printed.
>
> Back then, Fame hit the bearer's prey, so if you made your Setite
> famous, then wound up in combat, you could at least play mummify to
> nail your prey for three pool. 7/7 got rid of that usage, though.
Whenever I am creating a deck, and I wonder "is this just TOO
sleazy?", I think about the way Fame loop decks used to be possible,
and I stop worrying :-)
I have been butchered in tournaments by other dirty combos which have
since been fixed (Don Cruez being hit by Hostile Takeover / Parity
shift, or Don Cruez* being Banished by a 1-cap prince), but the Fame
thing strikes me as the dirtiest of all.
> The card still does have corner-case utility.
<SNIP combat example> maybe other corner-case stuff, like if you
wanted to use Faithful Servant. Or some other wierd deck...
*Yep, I used to play Bruhaj princes a lot :-)
kushiel
> > >Mummify is a horrible card. Why does it exist?
I'm working on trying to find a use for it, Ira...really. :) I think I
just may have one, though only time (and heavy trading, since I currently
own one FoS and no Serpentis cards) will tell. If I get this thing together,
I'll probably send it to whomever does the FoS newsletter and see if it's
any good.
> I don't think it does. Psyche! and TT should beat it just the same way
> they beat Rotschreck. Combat fails to end properly so the rest of the
> effect doesn't take place.
I hope this isn't the case. If the "go to torpor" part of Mummify does
happen, you can't Psyche or TT since the vampire is in torpor, and you can
never fight a vampire in torpor. And I think that effect does happen...
after all, you still get to untap with superior Majesty/Earth Meld if
you get Psyched or TT'd, right?
And thanks for the clarification on Creepshow. (Though I honestly don't get
why a Mummified vamp can't Rapidly Heal, I'll take LSJ's word for it.)
Kushiel
Timlagor
> Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>
> I'm working on trying to find a use for it, Ira...really. :) I think I
> just may have one, though only time (and heavy trading, since I currently
> own one FoS and no Serpentis cards) will tell. If I get this thing together,
> I'll probably send it to whomever does the FoS newsletter and see if it's
> any good.
>
> > I don't think it does. Psyche! and TT should beat it just the same way
> > they beat Rotschreck. Combat fails to end properly so the rest of the
> > effect doesn't take place.
>
> I hope this isn't the case. If the "go to torpor" part of Mummify does
> happen, you can't Psyche or TT since the vampire is in torpor, and you can
> never fight a vampire in torpor. And I think that effect does happen...
> after all, you still get to untap with superior Majesty/Earth Meld if
> you get Psyched or TT'd, right?
I'm not quite clear on why Majesty/EM untap isn't cancelled by the
Psy/TT effect but Rot's 'go to torpor' definitely is and I can't see any
reason why Mummify wouold be different to Rotschreck.
LSJ
> I'm not quite clear on why Majesty/EM untap isn't cancelled by the
> Psy/TT effect but Rot's 'go to torpor' definitely is and I can't see any
> reason why Mummify wouold be different to Rotschreck.
Majesty/Earth Meld's untap effect occurs before combat ends.
Mummify's untap and go to torpor effect occurs after combat ends, so would be
nullified by Psyche! or Telepathic Tracking, yes.
the_capuchin
> > they beat Rotschreck. Combat fails to end properly so the rest of the
> > effect doesn't take place.
>
> I hope this isn't the case. If the "go to torpor" part of Mummify does
> happen, you can't Psyche or TT since the vampire is in torpor, and you can
> never fight a vampire in torpor. And I think that effect does happen...
I'm pretty sure Psyche! would beat Mummify. The timing is the same; a
card says "combat ends. do something." and Psyche! gets in the way
after the "combat ends" part and before the "do something", which is
lost. Can't see any timing difference between Mummify and Rotschrek.
> after all, you still get to untap with superior Majesty/Earth Meld if
> you get Psyched or TT'd, right?
Sure, but it's because the untap effect happens at the same time with
the combat ends effect. They're not "Combat ends. Do something."
They're "combat ends AND untap this vampire".
John Flournoy
> Emile Bosman expounded:
> > ira...@yahoo.com (Ira) wrote in message news:<500e74e.03110...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Hey Kushiel,
> > >
> > > > 1) If a vampire plays Mummify at inferior, can he later use Rapid Healing
> > > > to get out of torpor? I'd assume so - I'm guessing that the restriction on
> > > > inferior Mummify ("this vampire cannot attempt the leave torpor action") only
> > > > applies to the cardless, costs-two-blood action.
> >
> > Card text states that you can not leave torpor.
>
> Piffle! It says you cannot "ATTEMPT *THE* LEAVE TORPOR ACTION" which I
> would interpret as forbidding the default action only.
As LJ noted, Rapid Healing is a 'leave torpor' action in the same way
that Computer Hack is a 'bleed' action.
Which also leads to the point that all the variant actions of hunting
that now get to benefit from Aaron's Feeding Razor etc are considered
'hunt' actions, even though they're done instead of hunting; so Kyoko
can't try to steal blood when her fangs have been Pulled.
-John Flournoy
Timlagor
> > > Card text states that you can not leave torpor.
> >
> > Piffle! It says you cannot "ATTEMPT *THE* LEAVE TORPOR ACTION" which I
> > would interpret as forbidding the default action only.
>
> As LJ noted, Rapid Healing is a 'leave torpor' action in the same way
> that Computer Hack is a 'bleed' action.
So my interpretation was 'wrong' - I stanby my "Piffle!" -after all you
can still leave by being rescued
> Which also leads to the point that all the variant actions of hunting
> that now get to benefit from Aaron's Feeding Razor etc are considered
> 'hunt' actions, even though they're done instead of hunting; so Kyoko
> can't try to steal blood when her fangs have been Pulled.
Actually A's FR is when you hunt successfully.
LSJ
> John Flournoy expounded:
>
>>>>Card text states that you can not leave torpor.
>>>
>>>Piffle! It says you cannot "ATTEMPT *THE* LEAVE TORPOR ACTION" which I
>>>would interpret as forbidding the default action only.
>>
>>As LJ noted, Rapid Healing is a 'leave torpor' action in the same way
>>that Computer Hack is a 'bleed' action.
>
> So my interpretation was 'wrong' - I stanby my "Piffle!" -after all you
> can still leave by being rescued
The Mummified vampire cannot attempt that action, so the relevance
of that action to this thread is unclear (at least, to me).
>>Which also leads to the point that all the variant actions of hunting
>>that now get to benefit from Aaron's Feeding Razor etc are considered
>>'hunt' actions, even though they're done instead of hunting; so Kyoko
>>can't try to steal blood when her fangs have been Pulled.
>
> Actually A's FR is when you hunt successfully.
?
The variant actions of hunting:
* are considered 'hunt' actions.
* benefit from Aaron's Feeding Razor.
Timlagor
> The Mummified vampire cannot attempt that action, so the relevance
> of that action to this thread is unclear (at least, to me).
Not important.
> >>Which also leads to the point that all the variant actions of hunting
> >>that now get to benefit from Aaron's Feeding Razor etc are considered
> >>'hunt' actions, even though they're done instead of hunting; so Kyoko
> >>can't try to steal blood when her fangs have been Pulled.
> >
> > Actually A's FR is when you hunt successfully.
>
> ?
Misread it.
kushiel
> > after all, you still get to untap with superior Majesty/Earth Meld if
> > you get Psyched or TT'd, right?
>
> Sure, but it's because the untap effect happens at the same time with
> the combat ends effect. They're not "Combat ends. Do something."
> They're "combat ends AND untap this vampire".
Ah, okay. I hadn't ever understood that up until now, not noticing the
grammatical difference. Well, crap. That just shoots another hole in my
already-flimsy idea...but thanks for the clarification, everyone.
Kushiel