[LogoForum] ADD, ADHD
Edwin Pilobello
I have had and currently teach kids in my classes with ADD, ADHD. Bright
kids!
I have a step-son, who is 17, with ADD and has brothers that have ADHD.
Unfortunately he and his brothers have chosen "the dark side". Diana, my
wife, is a nurse. So I've done some research ... but I don't think nearly
enough, specially from the teacher's side.
Can you please point me to helpful articles on the web ... I know I'm piled
up, but this subject is personnal as well. I'm not going to be able to dig
into this subject, just yet. So, if there's a "For Dummies" article out
these you know of that I can do a quick read and store in the back of my
mind, I would be most grateful. It's sort of a huge hole in the back of my
head that needs a bit of patch-up work right now.
A phone call from an apologetic father just "maximized" that window and I've
"minimized" it for now, by sending this e-mail.
Thank you very much.
:-) edwin
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Dale R. Reed
Edwin, surf to my buddy Janie Bowman's website. http://www.brightword.com
If you write to Janie tell her that Dale sent you. She is a
been_there_done_that sort of homeschooling Mom. Dale
---
$ dale...@worldnet.att.net Seattle, Washington USA $
Edwin Pilobello
books and other articles she had clipped, I think I, Edwin Pilobello, might
have had it!!! I can relate to all research. Over the years, I seem to
have been able to keep my attention span focused on things for longer
periods of time. I mean, you can see it the way I think and write!
Anyway, I very much appreciate all your help ... now I wish some of the
Elementary School Teachers would make their presence known and make their
valuable contributions. Sometimes, I wish my Mom were close by!
Got to go to class!!!
:-) edwin
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary McCallister [mailto:mcca...@mesastate.edu]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:11 PM
To: Logo...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LogoForum] ADD, ADHD
I don't have an article, but since we have been exchanging info about third
grade . . . . As a biologist I have some reservations about the diagnosis
of ADD. I am also concerned about the long term use of drugs (Ritalin).
There is evidence that this is a complec issue and I don't know of an
article off the top if my head that addresses it fairly. However, one fot
eh thrid grade boys I made mention of in my last e-mail who discovered
hatching turtle the second period or so, was ADD. At mid year he finally
went on Ritalin. I saw with my own ideas, in only an hour and a half a
week, the absolutely amazing difference this made in his abilities and
happiness. He bacame one of the smartes kids in the class overnight. How
his teacher lasted half a year with him all day long is beyond me.
>>> edwi...@home.com 04/12/01 01:43PM >>>
Dear Folks!
I have had and currently teach kids in my classes with ADD, ADHD. Bright
kids!
I have a step-son, who is 17, with ADD and has brothers that have ADHD.
Unfortunately he and his brothers have chosen "the dark side". Diana, my
wife, is a nurse. So I've done some research ... but I don't think nearly
enough, specially from the teacher's side.
Can you please point me to helpful articles on the web ... I know I'm piled
up, but this subject is personnal as well. I'm not going to be able to dig
into this subject, just yet. So, if there's a "For Dummies" article out
these you know of that I can do a quick read and store in the back of my
mind, I would be most grateful. It's sort of a huge hole in the back of my
head that needs a bit of patch-up work right now.
A phone call from an apologetic father just "maximized" that window and I've
"minimized" it for now, by sending this e-mail.
Thank you very much.
:-) edwin
Gary McCallister
Bill Kerr
I believe the site mentioned at the top of the article is a good one for
anyone looking for more
-- Bill
> I have had and currently teach kids in my classes with ADD, ADHD. Bright
> kids!
>
> Can you please point me to helpful articles on the web ... I know
--------------------
Subject: Ritalin and drug abuse in ADHD
FOR RELEASE: 2 AUGUST 1999 AT 17:00:00 ET US
NIH-National Institute on Drug Abuse
http://www.nida.nih.gov/
Boys treated with Ritalin, other stimulants significantly less likely to
abuse
drugs later
Boys with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) who are
treated with
stimulants such as Ritalin are significantly less likely to abuse drugs
and
alcohol when they get older, according to a new study funded by two
components
of the National Institutes of Health -- the National Institute on Drug
Abuse
(NIDA) and the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). The study,
which
will appear in the August 2, 1999, issue of Pediatrics, compared three
groups
of boys - those with ADHD who had been treated with stimulants, those
with
ADHD
who had not been treated with stimulants, and those without ADHD -- and
their
susceptibility to substance use disorder.
ADHD, which is characterized by difficulties in paying attention, in
keeping
still, and in suppressing impulsive behaviors, is usually treated with
stimulants, such as methylphenidate (Ritalin) or dextroamphetamine
(Dexedrine,
Adderall) because these drugs reduce the behavioral and attentional
problems
connected to their ADHD. As a result, children with ADHD perform better
in
school and on the job and relate better to family and friends. Research
indicates that between three and five percent of all school-age children
have
ADHD, and that the disorder is about four times more prevalent among
boys than
girls.
"While some clinicians have expressed concern about giving stimulants to
children with ADHD because they fear it might increase the risk that
these
children will abuse stimulants and other drugs when they get older, this
study
shows exactly the opposite," says NIDA Director Alan I. Leshner.
"Treating the
underlying disorder, even if with stimulants, significantly reduces the
probability they will use drugs later on."
In the study, researchers at Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard
School of
Public Health, and Harvard Medical School compared the incidence of
substance
use disorders in 56 boys with ADHD who had been treated with stimulants
for an
average of about 4 years, in 19 boys with ADHD who had not been treated
with
stimulants, and in 137 boys without ADHD. All boys were at least 15
years old
when they were evaluated for substance use disorders involving alcohol,
marijuana, hallucinogens, stimulants, or cocaine. In a substance use
disorder,
a person continues to use a mood- or behavior-altering substance despite
the
fact that this substance causes significant problems in the person's
life.
Results of the study showed that 75 percent of the nonmedicated ADHD
boys had
at least one substance use disorder, compared to 25 percent of the
medicated
ADHD boys and 18 percent of the boys without ADHD. The researchers --
Dr.
Joseph Biederman, Dr. Timothy Wilens, Eric Mick, Dr. Thomas Spencer, and
Dr.
Stephen Faraone -- calculated that treating ADHD with medication
(stimulants
were used in over 90% of cases) was associated with an 84 percent
reduction in
risk of developing a substance use disorder. These researchers will
continue
to
study this entire group of boys in a followup study funded by NIDA.
In previous studies, these same researchers had found that nearly twice
as
many
adults with ADHD also had developed at least one substance use disorder
at
some
point in their lives, compared to adults without ADHD. The adults with
ADHD
had
developed the disorder in childhood and, in most cases, the disorder was
neither diagnosed nor treated until much later.
###
NIDA supports more than 85 percent of the world's research on the health
aspects of drug abuse and addiction. The Institute also carries out a
large
variety of programs to ensure the rapid dissemination of research
information
and its implementation in policy and practice. Fact sheets on health
effects
of
drugs of abuse and other topics can be ordered free of charge in English
and
Spanish, by calling NIDA Infofax at 1-888-NIH-NIDA (-644-6432) or
1-888-TYY-NIDA (-889-6432) for the deaf. These fact sheets and further
information on NIDA research and other activities can be found on the
NIDA
home
page at http://www.nida.nih.gov.
page at http://www.nida.nih.gov.
Edwin Pilobello
you why, from personnal experience.
My brain is constantly firing in all directions at once. Those long rulers,
swatches, kneel downs, my father's military back-ground, my mother's tears
.. probably made me what I am, without medication.
Now, I don't know what the research shows, as I said, I haven't really dug
into it because I feel I was able to get over it without all the fancy new
drugs. Maybe not! HA!
Here's why it's not irrelevant to this group ... one of my main "controls"
is visualization. I automatically do it now after all this years ... but if
I don't let the "visual" part of my brain control the rest, ... I can be
such a pain! And of course, I never take myself too seriously and apologize
profusely and sincerely when I "just blurt out my thoughts", and hurt
someones (akin to my mother's) feelings. I also realize that I think "in a
matrix". As such, I often represent my thoughts from one particular vantage
point. I often find myself explaining what I was thinking. But that's
OK... I can deal with it.
There is more to LOGO and it's graphic interface than research might show
.. but that is just my very personnal opinion! I also sign my name with a
lowercase "e". Go figure!
:-) edwin
Edwin Pilobello
"ADD/ADHD"
Please try this Folks, have your "ADD" kids do a multi-turtle model. Above
all, make it fun and charge all the failures to experience..."Now we know
what doesn't work, shall we try again?" After that child gets over the
initial mistrust and his own defensive mechanisms ... sit back and watch!
Attention Deficit ... what a misnomer! Concentration Deficit perhaps, but
not attention. There's a difference.
I used to be able to track maybe 200 variables in my head. I can't anymore
and that's frustrating.
I could never express all my thoughts at once, and that's frustrating.
I don't have all the information I need to make a thorough and unique
analysis, and that's frustrating.
I can't question everything and I can't test my hypothesis, that's very
frustrating.
They think, I think I'm always right ... that is very, very frustrating.
I am going to try these ideas on a couple of "ADD" kids! I'm pretty sure
they won't mind the experiment.
Paradigm shift!
:-) edwin
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale R. Reed [mailto:dale...@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 12:07 PM
To: Logo...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LogoForum] ADD, ADHD
> Can you please point me to helpful articles on the web ...
Edwin, surf to my buddy Janie Bowman's website. http://www.brightword.com
If you write to Janie tell her that Dale sent you. She is a
been_there_done_that sort of homeschooling Mom. Dale
---
$ dale...@worldnet.att.net Seattle, Washington USA $
Gary McCallister
a line of code typed correctly, so no progress was ever made, no matter how
long I let him go. His frustration would mount and eventually he would
explode in inappropriate behavior, causing problems for other learners.
Only after he got some help did he blossom.
>>> edwi...@home.com 04/13/01 12:39AM >>>
Edwin Pilobello
is not the right word) challenge. I can do calligraphy, but for some
frustrating reason, I cannot touch type. One of my kids, can't write ...
but he sure can type. I suggested to his parents they get him a laptop. He
now makes PowerPoint presentations for everything he present in class and
has gone from frustrating F's and D's to B's and A's.
That's tough ... you'll probably have to lovingly suggest that he needs to
"figure out" how he might do it. Gary, the frustration comes because he
gets stuck in a particular "mode" and can't find a way out. He is quite
capable and would really enjoy figuring out what will work.
I help my ADD kids think laterally... I don't have the words to explain
this. I will try again later.
:-) edwin
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary McCallister [mailto:mcca...@mesastate.edu]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:20 AM
To: Logo...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LogoForum] ADD, ADHD
Edwin Pilobello
I change their fixation. Sometimes suggesting some crazy but plausible idea
amongst many feasible ones. Again, I do this automatically ... I'll figure
out what I'm really trying to do. Keep asking me questions ... please. It
will help me synthesize my own thoughts. I trust your expertise and desire
to help others. I'm your guinea pig, please try me.
Edwin Pilobello
I am going to ruin a lot of keyboards before I can touch type...but who
cares...they're on sales for $14 each!!
I've had this fixation for over 30 years!!!!