My experience with dimeric and trimeric acetone peroxide

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I made AP dimeric and trimeric.

First the dimeric:
90ml acetone
150 ml H2O2 30%
7,5ml H2SO4 96%

The reaction when add conc. sulfuric acid is great,add a drop after a
while,and alwais vigorous stirring.
Let the solution in a cool place for all night.
The next morning wash the precipitate with cold water(distillate water is
alwais better),and put the crystal to dry.
Some people write : use in 1 week. Yes just.

Firecracker:with aluminium foil , toilet paper(45g AP) 125 cc bottle
After 3 weeks , the crystals should be volatylized , but notwithstanding
this,the detonation is MUCH MORE violent
compared to fresh AP. I TRIED THIS.

Reaction to shock:
Hit a small quantity(like 1 head of a match)of AP with an hammer and will
detonate.

Chemical reaction with conc. sulfuric acid 96%:
Put the crystals on aluminium foil(so will can use again the acid,see
later)with an angle up.
Drop 1 still of conc. H2SO4 on the angle up and go 2 meter away.
When the acid touch the crystals you will see a great and fast flame.
Put some crystal on the remaining acid on alluminium foil and you will see
another flame.

Timer delay with gelatine capsules:
The original method used a mix acid/glicerine.
I used only acid and water.
I tried:
1)Conc. H2SO4 : after 5 minutes : nothing
add some drops of water : the temperature is warm , after 3 minutes the
capsule is melt.
2)Conc. H2SO4 then add some drops of water : after 2 minues the capsule is
melt.

Considerations:
First put acid , then water , if not the reaction is too slowly and the
capsule is bad melt.
When the conc. acid touch the crystals , IMMEDIATELY burns.
But when the acid is diluted and not pure(cause the gelatine capsule)the
crystals don't burn.

Now the trimeric:
200ml acetone
200ml H2O2
50ml HCl

Good:You can put all at once the acid and will not splatter nothing.
The reaction and the final product are better than the dimeric form(about
+35-40% bi weight of product)
Bad:When you wash the crystals,the fumes will BURN your eyes even with
goggles.WARNING!
Use a diving mask...(the next time I will use this).

[Travis S]

u need to learn how to type

. wrote in message <7l85g7$r2n$1...@aquila.tiscalinet.it>...

[Hendrik Beijeman]

It's a catalysts in this reaction, and does not release chlorine gas!

The Murphy Family wrote:

> first of all with the trimeric method the mixing of the acetone and
> h202 is no problem, the problem occurs when the HCl hits the solution
> it starts to realease Chlorine gas, which goes without saying is very
> bad. It is carsenagenic, basicly speaking deadly. So don't do this in
> your basement and should you have to deal with the stuff within the
> holding time have complete air tight eye protection and a fresh supply
> of air to breath because the chlorine will make you feel short of
> breath and cause you to breath more.

[Eyegore]

>It's a catalysts in this reaction, and does not release chlorine gas!

Depends on the temperature. If there is no ice bath, you WILL get chlorine
gas along with chloroacetone (tear gas) - ahrgh.
H2O2 + 2 HCl -> Cl2 + 2 H2O
Eyegore

[Hendrik Beijeman]

implying, you've got enough h2o2 left, wich isn't used during the reaction :)

[Eyegore]

>implying, you've got enough h2o2 left, wich isn't used during the reaction
:)

Hmm, I made tcap for eight or nine times with no problems, only once when I
wanted to set up my tcap factory (200 ml each H2O2 and acetone, WAY too much
HCl - although I didn`t fill it in :-), I had this chloroacetone problem. I
wish I could show some pics of the
bubbling beaker but we wanted to get the hell out of it.
Eyegore

eyegore @ nebel.org

[Vandaly]

Glad to hear you had success producing this compound; I didn't.

I think it was to do with the concentration of my H2O2. DO you know of any
way of purifying it?

I heard that you could bubble He gas through it which would bond to the H2O
and carry it off. Is this correct?

Vandaly.

[Bill Nelson]

Vandaly (vc...@ozemail.com.au) wrote:
:
: I heard that you could bubble He gas through it which would bond to the H2O

: and carry it off. Is this correct?

No. Helium is close to being totally inert, so does not react with water.

--
Bill Nelson (bi...@peak.org)

[Eyegore]

>Glad to hear you had success producing this compound; I didn't.

Which concentration did you use?

>I think it was to do with the concentration of my H2O2. DO you know of any
>way of purifying it?

Hmm, vacuum distillation. A little too expensive for me anyway. I can get 35
% H2O2 here (at least in France).

>
>I heard that you could bubble He gas through it which would bond to the H2O
>and carry it off. Is this correct?

I doubt it. Helium is inert.
Eyegore

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