Base chakra area muscle click as magickal closure
David Dalton
there are and living native mystics or past historical or legendary
native mystics who used the base chakra area muscle click for
false divination and/or closure to a magickal working (a directed
working of will). If there is another newsgroup on native pagan
religion and folklore please let me know and I'll post my inquiry
there.
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Basically I am looking for any evidence that any present figures or past
historical religious or mythological figures other than me have
attempted base chakra area muscle click/jerk divination and/or
have used involuntary base chakra area muscle click as a closure
to a magickal working (a directed working of will).
I have found the hard way that click (which in yoga circles may
be known as a short period mulabhanda) divination, while it may
work for local matters such as how much spice to add to soup or
how to adjust the graphic equalizer on a stereo, stuff that you
already know subconsciously already, it fails miserably for
remote matters, and led me into strong delusions in 1996 and 1997
when I believed it blindly without checking it on an answer
that could be checked (e.g. someone's age).
I am no longer able to get the click for a possible answer.
I still get the click/jerk occasionally but not associated with
a question. It happens when I focus my consciousness in any
way, especially if I focus on the light invisible pressure on
my head, but even when I focus inside my own body. I think
this click/jerk or short time period mulabhanda might go away
when the low years end, which I hope will be after seven
years, or eleven years after my first waning crescent high,
so early 2003 or late 2002.
I also get the base chakra area muscle click/jerk/short period
mulabhanda as closure to a magickal working (a directed working
of will). For example, if I imagine charging a musical venue
by imagining a counterclockwise (in the northern hemisphere)
circle of chi around the room, I know the working is complete
when I get a click. Also, when I am boosting someone, when
I focus on one of their chakras, when I get the click I know
that that chakra is balanced, charged and cleared of congestion.
And if I imagine a link from one musical venue to others where
I have had really good experiences, when I get the click I
think the link is complete. Or if I imagine a link to one of
my deities, when I get the click I know the link is complete.
You might say that the divination with click didn't work so
why should the click as closure to a magickal working be
anything but false. I don't know, but I hope it isn't
false.
Do you know of any past or present figure other than me
who uses the base chakra area muscle click (involuntary)
as closure to a magickal working? Or for divination?
I believe that Myrddin, one of the historical figures that
the legend of Merlin may have been based on, did this false
divination when he consulted his "little piggy" in the
forest. That is, I think that his "little piggy" was his
base chakra.
Oh, I forgot to define the base chakra area muscle click or short
period mulabhanda to those who don't know what a base chakra
is.
Basically the base chakra area is the perineum, or area between
the genitals and the anus. I think in a chicken this is known
as the pope's nose (correct me if that is some other area).
The click or jerk or short period mulabhanda is a clenching
of the muscles in this base chakra area. For a longer
period mulabhanda the muscles are held clenched but for
this click they are clenched and quickly released.
For more information on my cycles see my web page
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html
though I should really add more information to that soon on
my magickal workings, particularly my boosting of others.
---
David dal...@nfld.com
Salmon on the Thorns http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html
Bright Thunder
JBT
Rev Dirk Wobbly
news:aaut7d$ms5$1...@hathaway.nfld.com...
> I'm posting to alt.native and soc.culture.native to find out if
Oh oh!!
Rest assured that if you want this kind of info, you won't find it here in
alt.native Only abuse Sorry.
Richard
Hayduke Lives!
"Forbear mortals, to pollute your bodies with the flesh of animals. There
is corn; there are the apples that bear down the branches by their weight;
and there are the grapes, nuts, and vegetables. These shall be our food."
Pythagoras
Sondra Ball
wrote:
>I'm posting to alt.native and soc.culture.native to find out if
>there are and living native mystics or past historical or legendary
>native mystics who used the base chakra area muscle click for
>false divination and/or closure to a magickal working (a directed
>working of will). If there is another newsgroup on native pagan
>religion and folklore please let me know and I'll post my inquiry
>there.
I don't know if any of these will help you or not, since I don't read
any of them. But I decided I would rather give you alternatives than
keep an argument going here -- fun as that might be -- so I went to
google and did a search.
Try
alt.pagan.* (2 groups)
alt.religion.wicca.* (1 group)
alt.magick.tyagi
alt.witchcraft
soc.religion.shamanism
talk.religion.newage
fido7.pvt.mp3
alt.consciousness.mysticism
Good luck in finding whatever it is you are really looking for.
sondra
http://www.sondra.net
Mike
Hi Sondra
He's just looking for a way out of Lodi. He's been stuck there for so
long he just doesn't know anyother way. You've got to feel sorry for
these folks with so narrow a mind, and no real work to do. Just think
what they could do if they wanted to help the homeless, or the hungry.
Maybe feed a child or give them cloths, but that don't make them
happy.
Mike
John Blahna
"cockroach" <cac...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I recently read a book on Fool's Crow, he was a Holy Man on Pine
> Ridge.
Interesting, I'm now reading the James Welch version of "Fools Crow" who was
Pikuni (Blackfee) I think he must have been a contemporary of the Pine Ridge
(real) Fool's Crow.
Jason
(ya like that, punmeister, Babylon Here?) confuse you.
This is about Reginald Fools Cobra, very holy guy, very spirchul. He
used to live on an ashram about 70 km. from New Delhi. He was very
knowledgeable about this chakra lore. He used to be a sweat leader
for our tribe, Beverly Hills 90210, in the nuclear-powered Cherokee
Princess ©©® sweat lodge. Swami Reginald was so spirchul, he even
glowed in the daytime, and OMG you should have seen him in the dark.
I am honored by the opportunity to help you improve yourself, John.
There will be no charge during this introductory period. This free
introductory period will expire 4 minutes after posting your next pun.
Kemo Sabe (Sees with Third Eye)
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RedFish
Or is that "Chemo Therapy Savy ?" heheheheh
--
Randy RedFish
.
(In the Spirit of Crazy Horse)
.
http://home.swbell.net/red_fish/Indians_Discovered_America.html
.
"Jason" <drumc...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> John, you are so ethnocentric! You are letting this babble in here
> (ya like that, punmeister, Babylon Here?) confuse you.
>
> This is about Reginald Fools Cobra, very holy guy, very spirchul. He
> used to live on an ashram about 70 km. from New Delhi. He was very
> knowledgeable about this chakra lore. He used to be a sweat leader
> for our tribe, Beverly Hills 90210, in the nuclear-powered Cherokee
> Princess ŠŠŽ sweat lodge. Swami Reginald was so spirchul, he even
John Blahna
> used to live on an ashram about 70 km. from New Delhi.
I thought it was about 89 miles (as the fooled crow flies) outside New
Billings.
He was very
> knowledgeable about this chakra lore.
I knew lore too. ...built like a brick british truck!
>Swami Reginald was so spirchul, he even
> glowed in the daytime, and OMG you should have seen him in the dark.
I'll bet he would have been quite a pair with swami rudolph.
>
> I am honored by the opportunity to help you improve yourself, John.
> There will be no charge during this introductory period.
I'll take improvement anyplace I can find it!
This free
> introductory period will expire 4 minutes after posting your next pun.
any punishment if I'm late?
> Kemo Sabe (Sees with Third Eye)
MeNo Sabe (johnmohdom)
Suzan
to answer poeple who ask questions that are so much to do with "words"
and so little to do with numinous experience. You would imagine
getting a teacher or a solid system of some kind would help. Something
not so cut off from the trees and dirt, so to say.
The $$$ teachers/medicine men and women/guides in Shaman's Drum and
other mags, how they present themselves is always interesting. I keep
telling our associate minister in Si.Si.Wiss that he could charge a
lot for his "woo-woo" but somehow he never gets it together and wears
raggedy old clothes, lives in his truck and can't stay in real time
long enough to keep down a job. Of course when you need someone to
help on the ceremonials on your recently passed friend, he is right
there and does a powerful Healing for us all. It is really hard when
our favorite Nuclear Veteran shot himself at the young age of fifty.
I'd like a little base chakra clicking ability to help with my
diverticulitis. Heh, heh! I really have a hard time distinguishing
between enlightenment and CRS Syndrome (Can't Remember Shit) at this
time of my life.
MIB529
> >(ya like that, punmeister, Babylon Here?) confuse you.
> >
> >This is about Reginald Fools Cobra, very holy guy, very spirchul. He
> >used to live on an ashram about 70 km. from New Delhi. He was very
> >knowledgeable about this chakra lore. He used to be a sweat leader
> >for our tribe, Beverly Hills 90210, in the nuclear-powered Cherokee
> >Princess ©©® sweat lodge. Swami Reginald was so spirchul, he even
> >glowed in the daytime, and OMG you should have seen him in the dark.
>
> change of pants. You are one funny guy.
Nuclear-powered sweat leader? Where do you come up with these things?
> >I am honored by the opportunity to help you improve yourself, John.
> >There will be no charge during this introductory period. This free
> >introductory period will expire 4 minutes after posting your next pun.
> >
> >Kemo Sabe (Sees with Third Eye)
>
> Yeah, and where would that third eye be, and ai don't even wnat to
> know what ou see with that one pal.
LMAO!
> I don't know what you mean when you say "real" Fool's Crow, is that a
> joke?
I should hope so. It seems everyone's from Pine Ridge. It's just about
the only rez in pop culture. (Thank you, Billy Jack.)
Jason
How fortunate you are that I caught your post. You see, I live in an
area which could be Sedona West or the NuAge capitol of the Sierra.
You see, people come here as tourists or for a NuAge convention, they
fall in love with the beauty of the area and decide to chuck it all.
They quit their $200k/year jobs and sell their $500k houses in the Big
Bad City and move here. First, they either buy a house or they build
their NuAge dream home on Banner Mountain, enclave of middle age
downward mobile Perot supporters. Then they find out there are no
jobs here to speak of, the big high tech company is barely in business
and there are about 25 over-qualified applicants for each job. So,
you have all these Ph.D.s holding three part time jobs at minimum wage
in convenience stores and wondering how to make the payments on the
NuAge dream home and the "healthy cash reserve" is going to hell, so
when the new car lease runs out, they buy a rez rocket that is at
least paid for.
Now they came here to find Enlightenment, we have Enlightenment for
sale around here on every corner, No jobs in high tech? Open an
Enlightenment franchise.
Next, either you or your spouse falls in love with the guru/gurette.
This is True Love, spirchul love, screwing like a mink is just a
bonus. So you get a divorce, we have the highest divorce rate in the
state. Kids are kewl with it, helps them fit in with peers in school.
"What are you going to do this weekend?"
"Stay with my step-dad."
"You mean your mom's husband?"
"No, her last husband, the one she left my real dad for."
That is big topic of conversation, get used to it or get left out;
kids aren't dumb. "Alicia is so lame; her real parents are still
married."
We have 495 spirchul paths to Enlightenment franchises here.
Si.si.wiss is pretty tame; they are actually among the nicest of the
NuAgers in my opinion; they actually walk the walk more than the
weekenders. Anyway, my Beverly Hills Tribe 90210 franchise is just
one of many here. At last week's Sunset Ceremony, I barely cleared
enough to pay for the two bottles of 1987 Chateau de Phonee
sacramental wine. By the time I bought the batteries for the CD
player to have the sacred Barry Manilow sound for the ceremony, I was
in the red.
The big trend here, Number Two with a bullet, is the
non-denominational Christian generic Protestant Twin Cities Church
http://www.twincitieschurch.com/ , started in the Veteran's Building
and now they are building a $70 million new sancturary on their own
land. They seem so HAPPY, I think their sacrament is Prozac. That
may be sour grapes talking. I envy them not having to pay any
franchise fee to the Mother Church or anything, keeps the money at
home, ya know what I mean?
I got sandbagged a couple of weeks ago by one of their women. Kinda
pretty, skinny young woman but not too pretty, she comes up and says
"Can I just hang out with you for a while?"
"Sure," I say, "Talk is cheap and company is free." So we hang out
and bullshit about this and that.
Then she e-mails me to get together for coffee. "No problem if you
are buying," so she buys me coffee and we bullshit about movies and TV
and this and that.
Then she e-mails me again. "Let's get together serious next time."
Oh, my heart jumped like a jackrabbit in sagebrush. I figure she has
decided that an old man's slow hand might do things that a young man's
fast hand cannot. She buys me another cup of coffee and takes my hand
and looks deep and sweet into my eyes and pops the question, "Do you
know Jesus?"
"Sure," I said. "Jesus saves, but Moses invests." That was the end
of a promising relationship and she hasn't e-mailed me since.
This is my roundabout way of saying we have gurus available for
export. Please advise your budget and I will figure freight costs;
we can talk. If you have any needy widows or divorcees or maidens
with large liquid assets and strong urges, I may be available myself.
for diverticulitis, I would recommend Jungian sand art and birth
regression, but that's just me. I know a member of the Hoping Tribe
who does crystal acupressure. How does that sound?
I would be careful about over treating that CRS. God has a reason for
that. Some of those things, you are supposed to forget.
John Blahna
> "Sure," I said. "Jesus saves, but Moses invests."
...and Esposito scores on the rebound! 80)
johnmohdom
Jason
Wannabee Shaman © 1990, 1999 words by Isaac Bonewits music trad.
("The Dying Cowboy/Streets of Laredo")
Hey nonny, / hey nonny, / hey nonny, / no! Hey nonny, / hey
nonny, / hey nonny, / no!
As I was out riding the plains of the astral
I spied an old codger a-walking my way.
His clothes were of
leather with fringes all beaded,
His face it was covered with
symbols in clay.
"I see by your feather that you are a shaman,"
These words he did say as he slowly drew nigh.
"Come down from your high horse
and hear my sad story,
My spirit is broken and I want to cry.
I once was a young man both healthy and handsome,
My heart filled with bright love, granola and peace.
I yearned for a true path both Native and New Age,
So I joined the tribe of the Wannabees.
The way that it happened was really quite simple,
I went to a lecture my school did present.
A Native American teacher was talking About the old ways and what
they all meant.
Well after the lecture I walked right up to him,
And boldly to him I said out of the blue,
'I see by your feather that you are a shaman.
If I buy a feather, will you make me one too?'
His face it went through a dozen expressions.
The people around us all stared angrily.
Then he smiled and he said, in a voice oh so cheerful,
'Sure I'll teach you kid, and I'll do it for free!'
He took me back home to his condo on Main Street And made me
apprentice for over a year.
I cooked all his meals and I did all his laundry,
And when he was horney, he buggered my rear.
He taught me to speak in the Wannabee language,
And all of their customs,
though I must confess, Although 'twas authentic,
I always felt stupid Doing the shopping while wearing a dress.
After a year of this I got impatient,
I was sure I knew all that I needed to know.
So while he was out at a pow-wow in Jersey,
I stole his peyote and went with the flow.
Well first I threw up for a couple of hours,
And found myself wishing that I would soon die.
I grabbed for my feather and prayed to my crystal,
The next thing I knew I was starting to fly!
I flew out the window and far from the city,
I knew that my spirit guide I would soon find.
And sure enough floating high over the forest
I met a coyote of the spirit kind.
'I see by your feather that you are a shaman,'
These words he did say as he hovered quite near.
'No doubt since you've learned all the Wannabee secrets,'
The coyote he grinned, 'You've got nothing to fear.'
Then an ominous screetching did grab my attention.
A dozen black eagles were flying around.
With sharp beaks and talons they tore me to pieces,
And I fell down screaming all over the ground.
Soon foxes and wolverines tore at my entrails,
And ripped off great hunks of my poor bleeding meat.
Then a huge swarm of hornets came stinging and biting,
And polished my bones all so shiny and neat.
Now I felt every tooth and I felt every stinger,
My consciousness through the ordeal was clear.
I kept right on screaming, though I had no throat left,
Until the coyote again did appear.
'You still have your feather, young shaman,' he told me,
'So I must assume that you really know how To remake your spirit
self better than ever.'
Coyote he grinned, 'So let's do it right now!'
I took a deep breath, though I had me no lungs left,
And started to chant every Wannabee prayer,
To summon back all of the parts that were missing,
My bone and my muscles, my skin and my hair.
'Hey, Kemosabe,' my spirit guide told me,
'You're doing quite well with those first year chants.
'Course you know that to get yourself all back together,
'You're going to be needing the seventh year dance!'
'Uh-oh,' I said, 'I think I'm in trouble,
'Could you possibly give me a little hand here?'
'Sorry, young fella,' Coyote laughed softly,
'The rules against that now are really quite clear.'
"So here I am walking, the plains of the astral,
"Stuck here forever, or so it would seem.
"Hoping to find me a genuine shaman,
"Who'll know how to help me recover my dream."
"Sure thing, Kemosabe," I told the young codger,
"I know where to send you to fix up your vibe.
"Just go through those trees there, and down to the meadow.
"You'll find a whole village of the Wannabee tribe!"
I bid him farewell and returned to my saddle,
And soon I was riding back out on the prowl.
'Twas hard, but I waited, till he couldn't hear me,
Before I let loose with my Coyote howl!
Oooooooooowwwwwwwlllllllll.....
_
ggull
night so it's the first thing I see with my morning coffee? I'm working
from a laptop and can't just plug in a $5 keyboard if I spew all over it.
ROTFLMAO :-)
> ("The Dying Cowboy/Streets of Laredo")
>
> Hey nonny, / hey nonny, / hey nonny, / no! Hey nonny, / hey
> nonny, / hey nonny, / no!
>
> As I was out riding the plains of the astral
>
> I spied an old codger a-walking my way.
> His clothes were of
> leather with fringes all beaded,
Bob Lancaster
[snip]
For a long time I have had a really wicked prank I wanted to play on
the NuAgers. Crosspost threads between al.native and some nuage
newsgroups. Make lots of references to "The Master" (you don't seek
him, he finds you if you are truly enlightened in the Native American
sprichul ways). We can talk about non-existent ceremonies. We can be
patient with the NuAgers, but NEVER tell them how to contact The
Master.
Post stuff like:
Aho my relations!
I talked with The Master at the Cross Plains PowWow this weekend. I
am always thrilled to see how much respect Native Americans of all
nations have for him, since he is the hereditary Chief of the Tecumsah
Empire.
Jason, I must apologize to you. The Master told me you did indeed
study the authentic Yaqui Sunset Ceremony with the dear, departed
Elder. I was confused because in the Cherokee tradition the Rabbit is
the Trickster. The Master was kind enough to help me interpret the
White Bufallo vision.
We are all excited about the Peace and Unity Ceremony The Master will
perform on September 11. It will heal the karmic wounds of all the
nations of Turtle Island.
-Chief Cattle Droppings Flinger
Crystal Navel Clan
--OK, so it needs a little work before it sounds truly NuAge. So hard
for me to cloud up my head sometimes.
-Bob
MIB529
"people" like Custer and Sheridan, and that they're the REAL Indians.
Karma can be a bitch, but I seriously doubt Crazy Horse would want to
come back as a white man.
ggull
MIB529 <man_in_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well, most twinkies say that Indians today are reincarnation of
> "people" like Custer and Sheridan, and that they're the REAL Indians.
Huh?? Twinkies are amusing enough without making up stuff like this. Of
course many twinkies think they're more authentic Indians than the ones on
the res, but that first part? I'm having trouble grokking it.
Jason
Do you have any URLs on that twinkie theory? That is bizarre.
Sheridan? Are you talking about Sheridan Murphy? I have never seen
any evidence that Sheridan wanted to be white. J/K
By the way, MIB, I am working on getting your dream woman's picture on
line.
She is awsum. Nobody who sees that pic will ever forget Princess
Warsaw Buffalo.
MIB529
Oh, they believe that ppl are reborn as what they hate. I can't understand it.
Morfydd
"MIB529" <man_in_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "ggull" <ggul...@SPAMrcn.com> wrote in message
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> > MIB529 <man_in_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:4ad78f65.02051...@posting.google.com...
> > > Well, most twinkies say that Indians today are reincarnation of
> > > "people" like Custer and Sheridan, and that they're the REAL Indians.
> >
> > Huh?? Twinkies are amusing enough without making up stuff like this.
Of
> > course many twinkies think they're more authentic Indians than the ones
on
> > the res, but that first part? I'm having trouble grokking it.
>
> Oh, they believe that ppl are reborn as what they hate. I can't understand
it.
Yeah, sorta like the man who was horrible to women being reborn as a woman
who gets treated badly by men.
There is only one flaw with Crazy Horse being reborn to anything like that
(i.e. being reborn white) and that is because Crazy Horse was essentially a
good guy, who did what he needed to to help his people.
Mop
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> who gets treated badly by men.
Yeah, now you get how it works.
> There is only one flaw with Crazy Horse being reborn to anything like that
> (i.e. being reborn white) and that is because Crazy Horse was essentially a
> good guy, who did what he needed to to help his people.
I don't think Crazy Horse would want to be white, anyway.
My feelings about it? To use an oft-quoted Usenet jargon, "The X which
can be Y is not the true X."
David Dalton
base chakra area muscle click (or jerk, and it doesn't make a
sound) and the involuntary click. The false divination was
done with an involuntary click. The magickal closures I mention
such as in charging a room is done with an involuntary click.
I don't believe that I can do much more than bioenergetic
workings with this involuntary click as closure but I recently
tried to heal all people with cancer. I got an involuntary
click but I doubt it worked. I think I can do simple things
such as charging a venue, doing simple links (once I linked
different parts of a musical venue to my different deities
but such a link might be no more significant that a symbolic
association on my part), and bioenergetically boosting others.
What about the voluntary click? Well, back in 1996 and 1997
I was at times highly delusional. For a while I was doing
stuff like "I wish..." terminated by a voluntary click. But
mostly I was doing stuff like "I suggest..." terminated by
a voluntary click. By doing this I thought I was putting
my suggestion in a suggestion queue maintained by my highest
ranked deity (who I now name God, but then named LOVE). But
now I think this voluntary click procedure is no better
than doing a simple prayer without the click. In fact,
overuse of the voluntary click contributed to the delusions.
I have forgotten some of the details of this period but have
some of them in old notebooks and old newsgroup posts and
maybe some e-mails.
So now I think that the voluntary click is of no use and
the involuntary click is of no use for divination but
may be OK to indicate closure for simple bioenergetic
workings, charging of venues, and links.
Oh, but a sustained voluntary click, or mulabhanda, might
be of some use in yoga.
Jason
> I just want to comment on the distinction between the voluntary
> base chakra area muscle click (or jerk, and it doesn't make a
> sound) and the involuntary click. The false divination was
[snip]
> David dal...@nfld.com
> Salmon on the Thorns http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html
Kind of long, lbut it has a certain rhythm for bonus points.
Bob Lancaster
Indian Spirit Guide of the all, The Master. (You can call him God, or
LOVE or whatever, as long as your checks don't bounce.)
You need the Authentic Cherokee Sunset Ceremony. So, get a crystal
and stick it in your navel. A bigger crystal would be better, that
could be inserted on the opposite end, slightly further South.
Oh, and we know all about jerks.
-Chief Cattle Droppings Flinger,
Crystalnavel clan
dal...@nfld.com (David Dalton) wrote in message news:<ac3ui2$296g$7...@hathaway.nfld.com>...
Bright Thunder
Morfydd wrote:
> "MIB529" <man_in_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4ad78f65.02051...@posting.google.com...
> > "ggull" <ggul...@SPAMrcn.com> wrote in message
> news:<ac199s$863$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> > > MIB529 <man_in_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:4ad78f65.02051...@posting.google.com...
> > > > Well, most twinkies say that Indians today are reincarnation of
> > > > "people" like Custer and Sheridan, and that they're the REAL Indians.
> > >
> > > Huh?? Twinkies are amusing enough without making up stuff like this.
> Of
> > > course many twinkies think they're more authentic Indians than the ones
> on
> > > the res, but that first part? I'm having trouble grokking it.
> >
> > Oh, they believe that ppl are reborn as what they hate. I can't understand
> it.
>
> Yeah, sorta like the man who was horrible to women being reborn as a woman
> who gets treated badly by men.
>
> There is only one flaw with Crazy Horse being reborn to anything like that
> (i.e. being reborn white) and that is because Crazy Horse was essentially a
> good guy, who did what he needed to to help his people.
>
> Mop
I remember being at a pow wow at Stanford University in the early eighties. I
was hanging with several very old Lakota men just jawing about this and that. A
couple of young white hippie men walked by and one old timer said, " now there
are the ndn's". All the old men instantly got into a lengthy conversation,
wherein they agreed there sure could be rebirth in another sex or race.
Never forgot their words and the "conviction" in them. Many folks would be
angered by their words, so I have avoided speaking of them all these years.
They went on to talk at length about ones good or bad medicine and how it can
effect ones life.
Fascinating stuff.
JBT
MIB529
> > "people" like Custer and Sheridan, and that they're the REAL Indians.
> >
> > Karma can be a bitch, but I seriously doubt Crazy Horse would want to
> > come back as a white man.
>
> Do you have any URLs on that twinkie theory? That is bizarre.
It's something I heard here in LA.
> Sheridan? Are you talking about Sheridan Murphy? I have never seen
> any evidence that Sheridan wanted to be white. J/K
I meant Phillip J. Sheridan. According to the theory, we'e the
reincarnation of all the Indian fighters. Jackson, Sheridan, etc. I
think there must be some waiting in limbo, 'cuz just about everyone in
South Dakota hates Indians TODAY.
Twinkies don't make sense. Ever. Most of this stuff they make up as
they go along.
> By the way, MIB, I am working on getting your dream woman's picture on
> line.
> She is awsum. Nobody who sees that pic will ever forget Princess
> Warsaw Buffalo.
Quit it! I have no preference for brojack's sister. Personally, I find
white women ugly, and they smell funny.
Jason
fascinating, indeed. From some of your other posts, I would say we
are likely to end up around the same fire one of these times. Then we
can sniff each other's opinions [thank you Smiling Crow] like old dogs
and I will show you what an expert I am on my own opinion. I realize
that I am out on the edge here about this theme, and will try to be
careful.
Most of the California tribes that I know of believe in the idea of
the Western Door, where the spirit goes when the body passes. What is
out there is unknown and unknowable. I personally subscribe to that,
but around that fire I could talk about some refinements of that.
The most beautiful image of spirit that I know of is Hopi; when people
die, they come back as clouds, bringing the water back to the living
people. For a non-Hopi to discuss this subject in public is very
sensitive, but that particular belief is one they have authorized
disclosed in a general way for a long time.
[Note to lurkers and surfers: There is more bogus voodoo and
misinformation in books about Hopi than all other tribes combined. In
particular, avoid Thomas Mails' book about Hopi. Mails' principal
informant exemplified the idea that those who talk don't know. The
book is worse than stupid; it is harmful. The tribe maintains a list
of approved books on their website. I refer you there. I can't find
the URL at the moment, but it is a .nsn domain, look for that; there
are some bogus websites, especially the "Hindu Hopis". And thanks for
dropping in, no secrets here except where JBT keeps the Apache gold.]
Morfydd
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>
> I remember being at a pow wow at Stanford University in the early
eighties. I
> was hanging with several very old Lakota men just jawing about this and
that. A
> couple of young white hippie men walked by and one old timer said, " now
there
> are the ndn's". All the old men instantly got into a lengthy conversation,
> wherein they agreed there sure could be rebirth in another sex or race.
>
> Never forgot their words and the "conviction" in them. Many folks would be
> angered by their words, so I have avoided speaking of them all these
years.
>
> They went on to talk at length about ones good or bad medicine and how it
can
> effect ones life.
>
> Fascinating stuff.
>
> JBT
Oh I completely agree with that! Spirit as energy (or Energy as "spirit")
is too much like "sunlight" to be contained within the narrow borders of our
sociological constructs
and isn't that what gender and race are? If we are (naturally) interlocking
and interconnecting parts of a whole,
then our separation and naming of those parts are little more than a
"systems check."
This is not to say that we are the same, we aren't, nor are we ever meant
to be - (culturally at least)
but we are still all made up of the same stuff as everything else around us.
I am not sure why that concept would anger anyone except that it could
*appear* to support the claims of those who believe
that they were (insert culture here) in a past life and that they are now
entitled to relive that experience.
However, when you look at that logically, if you were (insert culture here)
in a past life then the knowledge you gained from that should be applied in
combination to the new life because it is your current life (and the reason
you are experiencing it) which is important.
Evolution (physical, spiritual and emotional) is an ongoing thing, you
know? It is all fascinating stuff though, as you say
and when you start to look at it "slanted" it also makes a heckuva lot of
sense. :-)
Mop
Bright Thunder
Morfydd wrote:
Truth is more fantastic than fiction. I think we humans live in many fictitious
mini worlds of our
own making, governed by ego, greed, the need for self aggrandizement and pride,
i.e. many of
these mini worlds are profane, but not all!
Our cherished institutions divide us, especially religions with anthropomorphic
creator gods.
Some of us should search for all those things that unite us, the things that are
universal to all of humankind. This includes the one actual source of supreme
sacredness known by many names.
Not advocating giving up unique cultural beliefs and ways, as much as to say "
think beyond the overly simplistic facades we insist on creating for ourselves".
Jim Bright Thunder