Have you noticed?? (those joining the Jihad)
william
11th.
They were cheering in the streets of Patterson, N.J.
Eating "Birthday Cake" at the gas stations immediately after the attacks.
We have a much bigger problem then the uneducated joining the jihad.
They are right here!!!!!!
They are educated and successful.
PRAY FOR THE U.S.A.
Nullman wrote:
> Have you noticed the only Muslims joining the Jihad are the uneducated
> and lied to, other than those "running" the show and just looking for
> power? The Muslims living in the free world have said, "We don't take
> orders from the Taliban or Osama Bin Laden." It seems those that are
> aware of what the Taliban and Osama are really about don't agree with
> them, and will not be joining any Jihad. The only ones joining the
> Jihad don't know shit about what is really going on in the world.
> They are lied to by their teachers and their governments. Anyway, I
> hope anyone else that wants to joining to Jihad floods into
> Afghanistan and stands right next to their Taliban leaders.
Skler
william <mand...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3BE483DB...@optonline.net...
> Why then, were there so many muslims in the U.S. celebrating on September
> 11th.
> They were cheering in the streets of Patterson, N.J.
> Eating "Birthday Cake" at the gas stations immediately after the attacks.
>
> We have a much bigger problem then the uneducated joining the jihad.
> They are right here!!!!!!
> They are educated and successful.
>
> PRAY FOR THE U.S.A.
>
Even so, most of those people don't have the courage to do anything so
violent or impactful. They will chisel away at Western civilization by way
of discrimination, choice, every day behaviors... Who they donate money to,
who they vote for... And of course the ever so prevalent advocacy through
inaction or silent approval. I agree about the big rift between the Muslim
and Western world and mind set though. How to address those differences in
the long term is the big question, since it is only the fringe elements or a
small number of civilians who will be directly affected in acts of violence
or war, even if the war escalates. Not to say that economics and civil
liberties won't be affected. Maybe that's the answer... Market forces will
determine the outcome, and those who are most resourceful and adaptive will
prevail?
Raskl
Bev Thornton
>
> Is there some news link for this? This is the first I've heard of
> this "celebration" in NJ
Oh, it's a popular rumour with the daylight/supernova crowd in these
parts. Keeps coming up, never any documentation. There are a bunch.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blxterror.htm
There is also Rumors (sic) of War on Snopes - http://www.snopes.com/
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[snip]
> Even so, most of those people don't have the courage to do anything so
> violent or impactful. They will chisel away at Western civilization by
> way of discrimination, choice, every day behaviors... Who they donate
> money to, who they vote for... And of course the ever so prevalent
> advocacy through inaction or silent approval. I agree about the big
> rift between the Muslim and Western world and mind set though. How to
> address those differences in the long term is the big question, since
> it is only the fringe elements or a small number of civilians who will
> be directly affected in acts of violence or war, even if the war
> escalates. Not to say that economics and civil liberties won't be
> affected. Maybe that's the answer... Market forces will determine the
> outcome, and those who are most resourceful and adaptive will prevail?
>
The article "Anyone remember this fellow?", posted a little later than
yours, is an interesting take by Salman Rushdie on the need for Muslim
change. It strikes me as quite a rational argument, probably where
christianity found itself in Darwin's time.
Gyumaoh
>parts. Keeps coming up, never any documentation. There are a bunch
As much as the left-wing loonies want to deny it, the Muslim communities in
America conceal many traitors.
Group: 2 Pro-Taliban Americans Killed
The Associated Press
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Three British and two American Muslims, who went to
Afghanistan to fight against the United States, were killed in the U.S.-led
bombing of the Afghan capital, an Islamic group said Sunday.
``All of them had gone to Afghanistan in early October to wage jihad, (holy
war) against the unjust policies of America,'' Hasan Butt, leader of the
al-Muhajiroun said by telephone from Pakistan's eastern city of Lahore.
``We have learned from our contacts that they were martyred by the American
bombing on Wednesday,'' he said.
Two of the British Muslims - Aftab Manzoor and Afzal Munir - came from Luton
while the third - Yasir Khan - was from Crawley, he said.
The identities of the two Americans were not immediately known, Butt said.
In Luton, 20 miles north of central London, Muslim community leader Akbar Khan
said growing numbers of Muslims in Britain have been joining up to fight for
Afghanistan.
``There's a lot of unhappiness among Muslims in Luton and the rest of the
country about the attitude of the West,'' Khan said.
At Luton's Central Mosque, where two of the men worshipped, Professor Masood
Hazarvi condemned extremist groups and said: ``We have banned people
distributing posters and pamphlets calling for Jihad against the U.S.''
Butt, who is a British subject, said the three Britons and two Americans were
not members of his al-Muhajiroun group, a Muslim political organization.
Al-Muhajiroun is one of the several international Islamic groups which operate
in Pakistan to promote what they call an ``Islamic renaissance'' and the
establishment of a true Islamic state.
AP-NY-10-28-01 1553EST
"We should be conscious of the superiority of our civilization, which consists
of a value system that has given people widespread prosperity in those
countries that embrace it, and guarantees respect for human rights and
religion." - Silvio Berlusconi
Moi
news:20011104043034...@mb-cp.aol.com:
>>Oh, it's a popular rumour with the daylight/supernova crowd in these
>>parts. Keeps coming up, never any documentation. There are a bunch
>
> As much as the left-wing loonies want to deny it, the Muslim
> communities in America conceal many traitors.
>
> Group: 2 Pro-Taliban Americans Killed
>
Haven't laughed so hard all weekend.
Acheson
Afghanistan and stand beside your brethren in the fight against America!
And while you're at it, take a multi-circular, target-type, shirt with you.
This will allow the Airforce pilots to really know who you're with. Stand
up and stand-out. Don't cower in a cave. Go to the nearest Al Qaeda
military installation and wave your hands wildly in the air as the bombers
pass over. Show the Americans you're not afraid of their insignificant
cluster bombs and guided missiles - more of an opportunity to meet Allah
(right?).
This action may prevent the U.S. from dropping a nuclear device, turning the
sand to glass, to see where ya'll are hiding. Like I said, stand up and
stand out. You don't to hang out in a cave - be proud and let the Airforce
know where you are!
P.S. Don't forget to die.
"Moi" <m...@moi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns914FC853F...@127.0.0.1...
Jeff
> said growing numbers of Muslims in Britain have been joining up to fight for
> Afghanistan.
>
> ``There's a lot of unhappiness among Muslims in Luton and the rest of the
> country about the attitude of the West,'' Khan said.
>
As someone who lives in Luton I say any Muslim that wants to go to
Afghanistan and fight should be allowed to go as it is far better that
these arseholes are killed on the front line then spreading their vile
filth on the streets of Britain.
root
> william <mand...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:3BE483DB...@optonline.net...
> > Why then, were there so many muslims in the U.S. celebrating on September
> > 11th.
> > They were cheering in the streets of Patterson, N.J.
> > Eating "Birthday Cake" at the gas stations immediately after the attacks.
> >
> > We have a much bigger problem then the uneducated joining the jihad.
> > They are right here!!!!!!
> > They are educated and successful.
> >
> > PRAY FOR THE U.S.A.
> >
>
> Even so, most of those people don't have the courage to do anything so
> violent or impactful. They will chisel away at Western civilization by way
> of discrimination, choice, every day behaviors... Who they donate money to,
> who they vote for... And of course the ever so prevalent advocacy through
> inaction or silent approval. I agree about the big rift between the Muslim
So what? that is very reasonable and 'American'.
> and Western world and mind set though. How to address those differences in
> the long term is the big question, since it is only the fringe elements or a
> small number of civilians who will be directly affected in acts of violence
> or war, even if the war escalates. Not to say that economics and civil
> liberties won't be affected. Maybe that's the answer... Market forces will
> determine the outcome, and those who are most resourceful and adaptive will
> prevail?
Their medieval societies will be gone in 40 years. People don't want
to live under those conditions. No one emigrates to those countries
except as a last resort, i.e., starve in Bangla Desh or be a maid in
Saudi Arabia.
>
> Raskl
Yellowbird
hour of the attacks. there were many calls about this and complaints,
nothing was done, and it was all kept very hush-hush. if I didn't have the
two kiddies with me........ after witnessing such horror, what would I have
had to lose? just call me a local soldier.
"Jeff" <no....@talk21.com> wrote in message
news:2d250828.01110...@posting.google.com...
Jordan S. Bassior
>Why then, were there so many muslims in the U.S. celebrating on September
>11th
Because they're fools.
They're in a country that's just been attacked by the people whose attack
they're celebrating. They don't even understand American politics enough to
have understood before they did this that doing this wouldn't get them all
rounded up and killed; and they don't understand American politics enough now
to grasp that doing this has just put them on the s**t list of a hell of a lot
of Americans -- and that they'll be paying for it for a generation, when they
can't get loans at low rates or good jobs. They're going to wind up America's
most despised minority.
--
Sincerely Yours,
Jordan
--
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Nullman, in <bk69ut4uc9fub50un...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > Is there some news link for this? This is the first I've heard of
> > this "celebration" in NJ
>
> Oh, it's a popular rumour with the daylight/supernova crowd in these
> parts. Keeps coming up, never any documentation. There are a bunch.
<snip>
Now, I have subscribed to this group, specifically to reply to this
which I found after "Decker" informed me that "Bev" was trying to
slander me by claiming I am this "sunshine" or "daylight" fellow --
who posts the exact opposite of what I post.
I found this in google while angrily compiling the evidence so
that anyone can see in no uncertain terms that this sort of slanderous
behaviour will not be tolerated by me in the least.
I post under the name "SuperNova" and as such have posted what
is probably thousands of arguments against Neo-Nazi's and extremist
Muslims. "Bev" has decided to ignore all of that, twist my words
to mean the reverse of what I was saying... and when confronted
denied it... then I discovered he was going around saying I am
this poster "daylight" who holds the exact opposite of view as I
do.
Below, not only do I document this whole process and provide
ample evidence for all of these statements, I show how Bev apparently
got started on this little tirade because he felt that he
was incompetent to apologize for some of his fanatical conspiracy
theories.
All along I nicely put up with this "Bev" character, then they
try and do this inhumane character assassination as surely as if
he started posting under my name -- though I dare not give him
any ideas.
I doubt this cretin will apologize for this gross slander, however
if he tries to squirm out of it... he will discover he is facing
a meticulous pit bull.
If anything he can quietly stand down. Then, I can quietly ignore
him and get back to my normal topic of posts... and just let his
crime rest on his own head.
****************************** EVIDENCE BELOW *********************
[Cancelled first replies, replacing with these because of errors.]
Bev Thornton first posted in reply to one of my posts "Another Article: "Aryan
Action" Anthrax Suspect, White Supremacist and Islamic Extremist Terrorist
Groups Connection", Oct 27, 2001.
reference (Bev's positing history with me):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&hl=en&scoring=d&start=10&sa=N&filter=0
In that post I linked Islamic Extremism and White Supremacists.
Bev's take on it was that the crackdown on White Supremacist groups
would be good for them and bad for the United States. I disagreed.
reference (shows Bev's reply):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SuperNova+author:Bev+author:Thornton&start=10&hl=en&scoring=d&rnum=19&selm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&filter=0
reference (shows I started the thread and what I posted):
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=OlCC7.123077%24ob.2762486%40news1.rdc1.bc.home.com&rnum=19&prev=/groups%3Fq%3DSuperNova%2Bauthor:Bev%2Bauthor:Thornton%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26scoring%3Dd%26rnum%3D19%26selm%3DOlCC7.123077%2524ob.2762486%2540news1.rdc1.bc.home.com%26filter%3D0
In another article of mine, where I showed that Islamic extremists
were working from within the United States, Bev replied to that
as well:
This was the next day. In this post I showed that Muslims were actually
the originators of some of the worst genocides in history... and despite
all of their "we are so wronged talk", that they are the ones who
so wrong others. I used the examples of Sudan, India, and Pakistan...
I pointed out that while Muslims get upset about using the word "crusade",
the fact is they are running "holy crusades" themselves and doing so
with absolute prejudice.
Bev had problems with these points and wanted to try and claim Rwanda
was a Christian crusade against non-Christians. In fact, it is not, and
I pulled out references saying as much. That is not enough though, what
upsets me is that Bev would do this in face of the very facts not enough
people are hearing. The extremist Muslims not only have atrocities within
their lands... they are the originators and culpable for some of the worst
genocides on the planet.
I don't like people trying to cover that up. These people have not issued
"apostasy orders" against any of these "jihadists", and until they do
all of their "Islam is peaceful" talk is just that, talk.
There are a few other points I disagreed with this "Bev" character on. I
disagreed that Bush "made millions from crack cocaine". I disagree that
'Americans all have a problem with certain words'. I disagreed that 'crime
in America is on the rise these past ten years'. I disagreed that 'crime
is so much worse in America than in Canada'.
For all of these points, I was polite, and I dutifully dug up irrefutable
evidence. I did definitely wonder why I was wasting my time with this
individual.
Then, Bev posted about seven links to me which were all dead. He
did not mention what they were about, but expected me to comment on
them. I pointed out they were all dead, and pointed out "anybody who
reads this article can see that"... and Bev started to ramble on
about "American conspiracies", and then insinuated in sideways
manners that I was lying.
Bev went on to talk at length about his operating system and his
newsreader. Finally, he got down to point out that his newsreader
checks these links before and after posting them.
Shortly after this "Bev" starts two new threads on the subject,
rambling about how "404" means a "health club", and throwing
in statements like "so what, sunshine". This "Decker" poster
below alerted me to the fact that for these several back and
forths between "Bev" and myself... I was not getting that he
was cruelly slandering me by deliberately confusing me with
someone whom posts the exact opposite stances of which I have
been taking.
reference :-> this is Bev's reply, he had first given me this
bad links, then had stated, "this one will work", then when
I said it did not, he doubted me he just said "so"... and this
post shows how he was throwing these slurs at me unbeknownest
to me. ("Sunshine" being his reference to "DayLight").
Here Bev claims I am this "sunshine" fellow, "daylight", whatever,
though I did not see this because I do not read their newsgroup.
Here is where Bev started to get really weird, and my reply to him. In
this reply he posts a lot of URL's, and I explain they are all, or almost
all dead:
As can be seen from the chornological order here, Bev takes from
that confrontation of his dead links and starts new, bizarre threads:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Bev+Thornton+author:SuperNova&hl=en&scoring=d&filter=0
At one place he seems to insinuate in one of the new threads that
I am somehow connected with white supremacist groups, and he posts
url's saying, "look at your groups".
I take this as very odd, but find it very hard to believe someone who
has perhaps thousands of posts against Neo-Nazi's and Islamic extremists... that
someone could possibly throw such a slanderous remark against me.
So, I take that what he was saying was that "because I am an American, I am
guilty of these groups existing"... and, I state I need clarification
for his insinuation, as well as condemning it for being a
severe fallacy of logic.
It was then that "Bev" was giving me non-answers, non-apologies
on these URL's, and trying to take my statements that frankly said, 'I
disagree with the laws that allow hate sites to exist from
within America'... to meaning the exact opposite.
Unbeknownst to me, Bev was all along issuing a far sicker and
more subtle slanderous charge all along with his strange "daylight"
and "sunshine" comments... which, I obviously took as bizarre
statements about the literal daylight from a bizarre person whom
exhibits some mental instability.
As for me, anyone can read my many posts by merely looking
up my name or subscribing to soc.culture.israel:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=SuperNova
What this person has tried to do is to try and slander me,
but not directly to my face... nor by actually using any of
my word's as evidence, or any other evidence. They have done
so while I have sat there in good faith, patiently answering
them, having no idea that they were doing so. I had suspicions,
but this "Bev" fellow seemed to have stated to me that
they were not attempting to announce these ludicrous
charges.
In doing so, they have utterly reversed my stance without
actually stealing my name - and then claimed I was saying
the opposite of what I say everyday. Being that Bev seems
to not entirely disagree with what I am saying, I can
only imagine he did this because he felt threatened that
I may have been saying it better than he... and without
the conspiracy theories that have no evidence behind them.
And, this is how we work. We expose the lies of the extremist
Muslims and the Neo-Nazi's. In doing so we always rely on
evidence anyone can judge or see for themselves, and we are
always one hundred percent correct. That is the genuine difference
between us and them.
As for these other people... either hold to facts and
dispel foolish conspiracy theories or get off the boat.
Slander is never excusable, especially not disgusting slander
done in an underhanded way.
What is slander? Slander is bearing false witness. There are
different charges. The sort of slander "Bev" was tossing out
at me, albeit not directly because the evidence severely
contradicted his false charges... was both as extreme as it
gets, and done in the most underhanded way possible so that
I would not be able to defend myself and expose his
evil.
Slander is what drove the Muslims to say, "The Jews were
behind the 9/11 attacks". Slander is what drives them to
target the world with terrorism. Slander is what drove
Adolph Hitler's Nazi movement, and slander is what drove
Stalin to slaughter millions of religious people.
There is absolutely no excuse for that type of slander,
ever!
The difference between that and real accusations is that
real accusations have evidence. They are not contary to
evidence. This evidence may be shown to anyone. Discerning
people understand the concept of evidence. This is how
they see through these liars, and are able to confront them
and knock down every single one of their points.
Slanderers, though, can not knock down points. They can
only work by deception and trickery. They have to rely
on lies, which are easy to expose. They do not mind calling
someone the worst thing they can imagine, or the worst
thing that person can imagine. They go for it.
SuperNova wrote:
>
> Decker wrote:
> >
> > Bev Thornton wrote:
> >
> > > SuperNova, in <3BE4FDC1...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > You seem to be reading something strange into what
> > > > I wrote... something malicious that I can not decipher.
> > >
> > > Good.
> > >
> > > A SuperNova, is that anything like Daylight?
> >
> > Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
> > people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
> > I know you've been trying to sort out the "sock puppets" for the last few
> > days... are you solid on this allegation?
>
> No, I am not "catching on to the subtle reference". I was tending to
> think Bev is a bit off. However, now let me see what he is saying...
>
> "DayLight" Posters History
> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=Daylight
>
> Oh, great, the exact opposite of what I post.
>
> "SuperNova" Posters History
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author%3ASuperNova&hl=en
>
> So, Bev is definitely off, as off as someone could be.
>
> I do not appreciate slander in the least. Especially because "Bev"
> twists my words into their exact opposite meaning and then goes
> further to slide dirty insinuations at me which I would not have caught
> because I post from soc.culture.israel! Slander which is the exact
> opposite of my stance!
>
> What are my views? Anyone can read my posts above and find out!
>
> I am:
>
> -> against extremist Islam
> -> against Neo-Nazi groups
> -> reminding people of Islamic slaughters against Christians and Hindus
> -> Pro-Israeli
> -> Pro-United States
> -> Anti-Terrorism
>
> I say as much very fluently and I have literally spent enough time
> doing as much since 9/11 that no one could possibly question my
> integerity on this issue.
>
> Let me remind everyone, it is very simple to put forth such insidious
> slanderous remarks on someone in an underhanded manner... so I was
> sitting there like a fool while he was issuing this charge at me, not
> even having the decency to bring it to the forefront or tell me to
> my face...!
>
> If anybody wishes to try and bring some slanderous charge against
> me, then do so! Now! Say it, don't insinuate like a worm! I have more
> than enough evidence which will utterly wipe out any such ludicrous
> slander.
>
> If you see me as furious about this - understand I do not like
> slander, and I especially resent this sort of underhanded whispering
> and finger pointing.
>
> Slander is the reason for all of these problems in the world,
> so thanks a lot for contributing to the pool, you cowardly false
> witnesses!
>
> >
> > I like your style... one of the more informed and well referenced posters
> > I've seen on Usenet and I too have been around since '93. I know you are well
> > respected in a.s.d and I've read enough of your posts here the past few
> > weeks... and elsewhere over the past couple of years to understand your
> > propaganda and your intentions. Kudos.
> >
> > BTW, for all those who confuse your gender. I went to High School with a chap
> > named Beverley (Baever Ley) Conners. Despite the teasing from the jocks he
> > carried his name with pride. Since my mothers name is also Beverley, I had
> > great respect for him.
> >
> > Keep up the good work my bookmarks are growing daily.
> >
> > Decker
Decker
>
>
>Bev Thornton wrote:
>>
>> Nullman, in <bk69ut4uc9fub50un...@4ax.com>, wrote:
>> >
>> > Is there some news link for this? This is the first I've heard of
>> > this "celebration" in NJ
>>
>> Oh, it's a popular rumour with the daylight/supernova crowd in these
>> parts. Keeps coming up, never any documentation. There are a bunch.
>
><snip>
>
>Now, I have subscribed to this group, specifically to reply to this
>which I found after "Decker" informed me that "Bev" was trying to
>slander me by claiming I am this "sunshine" or "daylight" fellow --
>who posts the exact opposite of what I post.
Oh crap I guess I should have kept my mouth shut. I didn't mean to
fan the flames but I thought Supernova should be enlightened...pun
intended.
Supernova you have made an excellent case for yourself. Bev should
either retract his statements or put forth evidence that supports his
claim. If he can't provide evidence for his actions then we should
assume he was slanderous, or at least mistaken and irresponsible to
drop the comments. Bev speaks of "dignity, honour and respect", if
he's a man of his word, which I believe he is, he will apologize or
provide more evidence.
Don't let me down Bev. Let's get back to the task at hand and
continue the intelligent discussion. There's a radio talk show host
in Winnipeg, Charles Adler, that has your style. Not the same
beliefs, but the same confrontational, sarcastic style, always
questioning, always confronting... making people give good concrete
proof to back up their claims and support their rhetoric. Like you've
said in the past it's propaganda... but it's informative, irritating
and entertaining propaganda.
Let's stick to that and get away from the innuendo and conjecture.
Decker
SuperNova
Decker wrote:
>
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:04:02 GMT, SuperNova <ehs...@ehstag.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Bev Thornton wrote:
> >>
> >> Nullman, in <bk69ut4uc9fub50un...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Is there some news link for this? This is the first I've heard of
> >> > this "celebration" in NJ
> >>
> >> Oh, it's a popular rumour with the daylight/supernova crowd in these
> >> parts. Keeps coming up, never any documentation. There are a bunch.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >Now, I have subscribed to this group, specifically to reply to this
> >which I found after "Decker" informed me that "Bev" was trying to
> >slander me by claiming I am this "sunshine" or "daylight" fellow --
> >who posts the exact opposite of what I post.
>
> Oh crap I guess I should have kept my mouth shut. I didn't mean to
> fan the flames but I thought Supernova should be enlightened...pun
> intended.
>
> Supernova you have made an excellent case for yourself. Bev should
> either retract his statements or put forth evidence that supports his
> claim. If he can't provide evidence for his actions then we should
> assume he was slanderous, or at least mistaken and irresponsible to
> drop the comments. Bev speaks of "dignity, honour and respect", if
> he's a man of his word, which I believe he is, he will apologize or
> provide more evidence.
He said in another thread he was being humorous and was poking
around to see where I was coming from. I don't really care at this point
as long as my name is not listed under something which is the opposite
of what I am saying.
Again, I don't read this group, just sometimes have posted relevant
content. If anyone wants to read my posts they are at soc.culture.israel,
etc where I post.
Anyone can examine my posts -- you will find a man who is extremely
vehement in his anti-extremist Islamic posts, who is often accused
of being a Jew because of my strong defense of Jews against Neo-Nazis...
etc.
If I do find people posting things like this contrary to what I
believe and putting my name on it, I will counter it in the future,
one way or the other depending on the circumstances.
>
> Don't let me down Bev. Let's get back to the task at hand and
> continue the intelligent discussion. There's a radio talk show host
> in Winnipeg, Charles Adler, that has your style. Not the same
> beliefs, but the same confrontational, sarcastic style, always
> questioning, always confronting... making people give good concrete
> proof to back up their claims and support their rhetoric. Like you've
> said in the past it's propaganda... but it's informative, irritating
> and entertaining propaganda.
>
> Let's stick to that and get away from the innuendo and conjecture.
>
I appreciate the sobriety, this, admittedly is a button of me. (Not
encouraging anyone to push it). Regardless, my interests are far more
in the situation of extremist Islam, Israel, the terrorist attacks,
Neo-Nazism, and cults.
> Decker
Bev Thornton
>
> which I found after "Decker" informed me that "Bev" was trying to
> slander me by claiming I am this "sunshine" or "daylight" fellow --
> who posts the exact opposite of what I post.
Where did I do that?
Give us a quote, you lying fuck, Sunshine.
Bev Thornton
>
> either retract his statements or put forth evidence that supports his
> claim.
What claim?
Give us a quote, you lying fuck, Dicker.
Bev Thornton
>
> If I do find people posting things like this contrary to what I
> believe and putting my name on it, I will counter it in the future,
> one way or the other depending on the circumstances.
So sue me, Sunshine, you lying fuck.
R.J. Goldman
"Bev Thornton" <lusit...@home.com> wrote in message
news:8LDF7.18908$Ud.6...@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...
Bev Thornton
>
> Just like the guys from that stupid software company..;-)))
Yup.
Stay in touch with your veterans association.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE6E71F...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > If I do find people posting things like this contrary to what I
> > believe and putting my name on it, I will counter it in the future,
> > one way or the other depending on the circumstances.
>
> So sue me, Sunshine, you lying fuck.
That I actually present the proof below, formatted, and put
in URL's from your own words... shows again, that you are not
only a slanderer, but someone with complete and utter disregard
for the truth even when presented with overwhelming evidence -- evidence
you yourself find irrefutable.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE6AC28...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > which I found after "Decker" informed me that "Bev" was trying to
> > slander me by claiming I am this "sunshine" or "daylight" fellow --
> > who posts the exact opposite of what I post.
>
> Where did I do that?
>
> Give us a quote, you lying fuck, Sunshine.
That was in the post you snipped, reprinted below.
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SuperNova
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Decker, in <gsjdutko0vtq3uukl...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > either retract his statements or put forth evidence that supports his
> > claim.
>
> What claim?
>
> Give us a quote, you lying fuck, Dicker.
Bev Thornton clipped out the gross number of quotes I supplied,
and I have been consistently tacking them onto the end of his
messages so that anyone can examine his own words. What is even
more absurd is that one of his worst quotes is in the very
thread which I subscribed to specifically to denounce.
"Oh, it's a popular rumour with the daylight/supernova crowd in these
parts. Keeps coming up, never any documentation. There are a bunch.",
he stated about me, in regard to Americans "joining the jihad".
Below the evidence shows he has been trying to claim I am this "Daylight"
poster on this list -- even though the evidence of my posts show
that I am the exact opposite of this fellow.
Also, included is evidence that he was twisting my statements,
to mean their reverse, that he initially started arguments with
me on issues of Aryans and extremist Muslims being connected... he
also had problems with me pointing out genocides commited by
Muslims.
Why are these things?
My best guess is that he is emotionally unstable and did not
like me - in a friendly chat - to argue against some of his conspiracy
theories (like that cracking down on Neo-Nazi's by the police
is a bad thing).
*****************************************************************
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> Nullman, in <bk69ut4uc9fub50un...@4ax.com>, wrote:
> >
> > Is there some news link for this? This is the first I've heard of
> > this "celebration" in NJ
>
> Oh, it's a popular rumour with the daylight/supernova crowd in these
> parts. Keeps coming up, never any documentation. There are a bunch.
>
<snip>
This is part of the slander campaign "Bev Thornton" was trying to
start with me... Apparently, my indignant outrage at his
slander and misrepresentation of me has further solidified it in his
own mind that I am "guilty"... of charges like I am this poster "daylight".
I don't even read alt.security.terrorism except when there is a
post that comes across one of the newsgroups that I do read. I
now realize "Bev Thornton" is an admitted troll with some strange
beliefs... as can be seen by his website:
http://members.tripod.com/~Veb/
But, I don't care. Some of what Bev has stated I agree with. I
appreciate his links against Neo-Nazism and Extremist Islam. I already
knew he was emotionally unstable. I don't care. Everybody has
problems.
I don't like it when people slander others and then when the accused
express outrage still try and shove it into their face. This is
exactly what happens when these persecutors kill people. Anyone
whom has ever experienced any persecution sees this and knows
it rings true.
So, while I disagree with Bev's motives for taking some of the
stances he does which supports the cause I do... I would rather
ignore this individual... as he is obviously above reacting with
any sort of the honor, diginity or respect which he so claims
to have.
Bev Thornton
>
> That I actually present the proof below, formatted, and put
> in URL's from your own words... shows again, that you are not
> only a slanderer, but someone with complete and utter disregard
> for the truth even when presented with overwhelming evidence -- evidence
> you yourself find irrefutable.
Hardly. All it shows it that you are paranoid and over-react.
You're the one doing slander, Sunshine; it takes definite statements,
not paranoid musings.
Bev Thornton
>
> This is part of the slander campaign "Bev Thornton" was trying to
> start with me... Apparently, my indignant outrage at his
> slander and misrepresentation of me has further solidified it in his
> own mind that I am "guilty"... of charges like I am this poster "daylight".
hahahahaha
In your dreams, Sunshine, only in your dreams.
Skler
would slander their slander?
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE7CB08...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > That I actually present the proof below, formatted, and put
> > in URL's from your own words... shows again, that you are not
> > only a slanderer, but someone with complete and utter disregard
> > for the truth even when presented with overwhelming evidence -- evidence
> > you yourself find irrefutable.
>
> Hardly. All it shows it that you are paranoid and over-react.
>
> You're the one doing slander, Sunshine; it takes definite statements,
> not paranoid musings.
Excuse me, stop calling me that slur "sunshine". When you do that you know
full and well I will drop the issue. Until then, you are a proven
slanderer and hypocrite.
<---------------------------------------------------------------------->
From: Bev Thornton (lusit...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Aryan & Terrorist Groups Connected - Links Inside
Newsgroups: soc.culture.palestine, alt.security.terrorism, alt.law-enforcement,
soc.culture.israel, soc.culture.jewish
View: Complete Thread (57 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-11-05 09:32:27 PST
Decker, in <3BE66B25...@yahoo.ca>, wrote:
>
> Bev, it seems you are implying that SuperNova and Daylight are the same
> people, but I don't think SuperNova is catching on to your subtle references.
That's ok. I don't think they are the same people. I'm just being
annoying, making a few ridiculous implications to try to smoke out
things. I must also do things to ensure underestimation, the
Daylight/Sunshine/SuperNova nonsense is one of those things.
<---------------------------------------------------------------------->
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE7D9E5...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > This is part of the slander campaign "Bev Thornton" was trying to
> > start with me... Apparently, my indignant outrage at his
> > slander and misrepresentation of me has further solidified it in his
> > own mind that I am "guilty"... of charges like I am this poster "daylight".
>
> hahahahaha
>
> In your dreams, Sunshine, only in your dreams.
Slanderer, I provided the proof in every post!
WHAT DOES THAT SAY, YOU WITCHHUNTER?
Bev Thornton
Don't make demands, Sunshine.
Why, what if someone demanded that you stop flooding the newsgroup?
Wouldn't want that now, would you, Sunshine?
You can call yourself your comicbook name, SuperNova, but I will know
you by effect and call you as that, Sunshine.
D. Scott Secor
You might try ending every other sentence with the word "dupe". Sometimes
calling a spade "a spade" strikes a nerve.
HTH
Bev Thornton
>
> You might try ending every other sentence with the word "dupe". Sometimes
> calling a spade "a spade" strikes a nerve.
~ birds of a feather, yes, they flock together ~
~ and sometimes, just sometimes...
SuperNova
I am ignoring him. I don't even normally read this ng.
I saw that, he commented in that thread he hated you doing that to
him.
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> SuperNova, in <3BE8154C...@ehstag.com>, wrote:
> >
> > Excuse me, stop calling me that slur "sunshine".
>
> Don't make demands, Sunshine.
>
> Why, what if someone demanded that you stop flooding the newsgroup?
>
> Wouldn't want that now, would you, Sunshine?
>
> You can call yourself your comicbook name, SuperNova, but I will know
> you by effect and call you as that, Sunshine.
I am ignoring you. If you want to try and say I am this "daylight"
person, then just come out and say it. Be a man. I would like to
see your evidence. I am sure it would be humorously incompetent.
I am not mad anymore, though. People witchhunt all over the place,
you are one of them. So what. Get in line. What next are you going
to call me? Communist? Fascist? An Alien from outer space?
Tie me up to the pole and burn me because I got angry at your
slander and thereby proved your admitted "thowing out names to
see if anything happens" tactic. How anger at slander ever serves
as the sole evidence for someone's prejudice... I will never understand.
But, go ahead, get in line. Rope me up. Hammer down the gavel. Throw
me into a hole. Hang me. Burn me. Tear me up limb by limb.
SuperNova
Skler wrote:
>
> Is it okay to slander slanderers? Or for slanderers to slander those who
> would slander their slander?
Huh? It is okay to defend oneself from slander, yes. Slander means a false
accusation. I don't care about it anymore, it is foolish. But, I did nothing
wrong except get mad at R J Goldman based on a misunderstanding. When
he explained, I apologized. I said so. That is all I was asking for from
this Bev character. I see he won't, so what's the use?
SuperNova
Bev Thornton wrote:
>
> D. Scott Secor, in <rKWF7.418395$ME2.47...@typhoon.kc.rr.com>, wrote:
> >
> > You might try ending every other sentence with the word "dupe". Sometimes
> > calling a spade "a spade" strikes a nerve.
>
> ~ birds of a feather, yes, they flock together ~
> ~ and sometimes, just sometimes...
>
> http://www.mikeusa.com/
You are full of insinuations and slander. It is not a good thing. Witchhunting
doesn't help anyone.
By posting this evil Neo-Nazi link after such a statement you are trying
to imply evil things contrary to evidence. I am not fooled by your
methods.
Bev Thornton
>
> Tie me up to the pole and burn me because I got angry at your
> slander and thereby proved your admitted "thowing out names to
> see if anything happens" tactic.
Yeah. Look what happened. I'm still laughing about it.
> But, go ahead, get in line. Rope me up. Hammer down the gavel. Throw
> me into a hole. Hang me. Burn me. Tear me up limb by limb.
Whine, whine, whine, is that all you ever do, Sunshine?
Bev Thornton
Don't kid yourself, Sunshine.
Bryce
Shame on you.
"Bev Thornton" <lusit...@home.com> wrote in message
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Skler
Bev Thornton
No, just with pseudonymous characters on newsgroups.
> Shame on you.
But it's so fun sometimes. You never know what will pop up.
Skler
undercurrent of emotional reaction against rationalism in the US, and there
will probably always be a portion who are not inclined to think in such a
way, but who find it easier to behave according to the primal urge and
invest in reality paradigms which are convenient and comforting... A true
sense of the way nature works doesn't offer much comfort, so it's either a
matter of some people not being able to deal with not knowing, with mystery
and fear, or not being able to build logical models of the world in their
heads.
Skler
> The article "Anyone remember this fellow?", posted a little later than
> yours, is an interesting take by Salman Rushdie on the need for Muslim
> change. It strikes me as quite a rational argument, probably where
> christianity found itself in Darwin's time.
>
Skler
> People don't want
> to live under those conditions. No one emigrates to those countries
> except as a last resort, i.e., starve in Bangla Desh or be a maid in
> Saudi Arabia.
A very telling truth!