I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
specialized topical collection of photos and models).
These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
tackier F-104s).
Any ideas?
All I know of off hand are:
CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
USAF T-38s
Harrier Traniers
Bae Hawks
Douglas Skynights
--
Scott M. Head
Houston, TX
s...@iapc.net
I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....
One non-jet you might consider is Ezer Weizman's personal Spitfire. No
longer a combat plane, it was a joyride well into the jet era. It's still
around at the IAF Museum.
Wasn't there a black Playboy airliner?
Laurie Nyveen nyv...@videotron.canada
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>> Any ideas?
>>
>> All I know of off hand are:
>>
>> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
>> USAF T-38s
>> Harrier Traniers
>> Bae Hawks
>> Douglas Skynights
>
>I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....
The SR is flat black insted of glossy.
John
> I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....
Oops,
I was referring more to types that aren't usually black- I guess I wasn't
clear. For the obvious, we could add the SR-71 as you suggest, and the
U-2, F-117, among others. Thanks!
>I was referring more to types that aren't usually black- I guess I wasn't
>clear. For the obvious, we could add the SR-71 as you suggest, and the
>U-2, F-117, among others. Thanks!
A B.2 Canberra - WK164 - was painted all-gloss black in 1956/57 and
flew, for a while, out of RAF Akrotiri on Spec Ops.
I've mailed you a couple of pics - not very good quality I'm afraid.
Also, another all black Canberra was part of a sigint sqd that I
happened not to be on at one time.
LesB
{take out one to mail}
EE Canberra Tribute Site
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~lesb/canberra.html
"Scott M. Head" wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
> ...
>
> All I know of off hand are:
>
> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> USAF T-38s
> Harrier Traniers
> Bae Hawks
> Douglas Skynights
>
F-16XL
> I was referring more to types that aren't usually black- I guess I wasn't
> clear. For the obvious, we could add the SR-71 as you suggest, and the
> U-2, F-117, among others. Thanks!
At last year's Van Nuys airshow I saw an F-15C that was painted black.
Don't really know why though. The pilot sais it had come back from some
special project, but if it was that "special" they wouldn't have shown it
at an airshow.
--
Harry Andreas
the engineering raconteur
replace baloney with computer to reply
The VX-9 has a black F-14, a picture of which can be found here:
http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/~VX9/
--Rolf
Scott M. Head wrote in message ...
ZW
pushing the limits here, I seem to remember a hand rubbed and waxed
black Japanese
fighter during the south pacific war. can,t remember the pilots name.
going to have to dig into the library to get the details...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
> These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>
> I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
> tackier F-104s).
>
> Any ideas?
>
> All I know of off hand are:
>
> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> USAF T-38s
> Harrier Traniers
> Bae Hawks
> Douglas Skynights
While not entirely black, B-52 aircraft operating during night raids used in
some cases gloss black undersurfaces. Some early schemes I've seen were
bare metal with just gloss black on the undersides, with the latest having
gloss black undersides and vertical surfaces, with just the tops of the wings,
engine nacelles, and fuselage painted in three-color camoflage.
Mike Williamson
Tex Houston
> Oops,
>
> I was referring more to types that aren't usually black- I guess I wasn't
> clear. For the obvious, we could add the SR-71 as you suggest, and the
> U-2, F-117, among others. Thanks!
>
Many aircraft in the RAF inventory have aquired black because it is the best
low level high viz scheme. I wonder if MoD would tell us which ones.
yeah, right, dream on....
Michael Williamson wrote in message <37840688...@azstarnet.com>...
> In article <smh-070799...@10.10.0.91>, s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head)
> wrote:
> > I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> > specialized topical collection of photos and models).
> One non-jet you might consider is Ezer Weizman's personal Spitfire. No
> longer a combat plane, it was a joyride well into the jet era. It's still
> around at the IAF Museum.
You can find Weizman's "Black Spit" photos on my IAF Museum site.
--
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My IAF Museum photo page: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7934/
One of the US narcotics enforcement agencies operate gloss black OV-10
Bronco.
Other UK (RAF) aircraft, apart from those already mentioned, that
presently operate with predominately gloss black are as follows.
Bell 412ep Griffin HT1 fly currently with DHFS, Defence Helicopter
Flying School at RAF Shawbury and SARTU, Search And Rescue Training
Unit at RAF Valley. These choppers have a yellow cabin top.
Eurocopter AS350BA Squirrel HT1 with DHFS. These choppers also have a
yellow cabin top.
HS Dominie T1. (HS125) No 3FTS, 55(R) Squadron at RAF Cranwell.
Predominately gloss black with a white cabin top.
Scottish Aviation Bulldog T.1 operated by various UAS, University Air
Squadrons and AEF, Air Experience Flights. Predominately gloss black
with gloss yellow areas painted.
Shorts Tucano T1. Nos 1 FTS at Linton-0n-Ouse and CFS, Central Flying
School at Topcliffe. RAF St Athans, and Boscombe Down also have some
examples. I've seen all black aircraft and some with gloss yellow
stripes.
TJ1234.
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
> These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>
> I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
> predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
> tackier F-104s).
>
> Any ideas?
>
> All I know of off hand are:
>
> CF-101B Electric Voodoo of 414 Sq.
> USAF T-38s
> Harrier Traniers
> Bae Hawks
> Douglas Skynights
>
> --
> Scott M. Head
> Houston, TX
> s...@iapc.net
Since the '70s VX-4 'Evaluators' of the USN had always had one Phantom II painted
gloss black, with a fancy playboy on the fin. The plane was known as 'Vandy one'.
The last one was an F-4S, the last to be retired from USN active service if I'm not
mistaken (apart from the QF-4S drones they are now operating from Pt. Mugu). When
it was retired around 1990, they painted one of their Tomcats black. Your average
Tomcat looks good, but the new 'Vandy one' was an eyecatcher for sure. VX-9, which
was formed by the merger of VX-4 and VX-5 still has a "Vandy one' though in these
politically correct times the Playboy insignia has been removed. It is the last
Tomcat built, F-14D BuNo 164604.
VFA-127 used a black F-5E as an agressor aircraft and show-stopper at open house
days. The paintscheme was inspired by the black 'MiG-28s' (F-5s painted black using
Latex) used in the Top Gun movie. They later painted one of their F-5Fs in a
similar scheme, but with a lot more red added: flames on the nose and the biggest
Red star I've ever seen on a US aircraft. This plane now serves with VFC-13 (or was
it VFC-12?), still painted black according to my latest information.
Ralph
During the 1995 Airshow Season RAF Tornado GR1 serial number ZA560 was
specially painted in an over black gloss colour scheme. The aircraft
was from RAF Cottesmore TTTE (Tri-National Tornado Training
Establishment), officialy disbanded 24 February 99, and featured the
flags of Great Britain, Germany and Italy and the County of Rutland
Coat of Arms on the tail. The TTTE Squadron Crest was on the front
fuselage beneath the front seat.
Bod Yates
16(R) Squadron (Jaguars)
Royal Air Force Lossiemouth
Ralph
> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
> All I know of off hand are:
> USAF T-38s
Only the few assigned to the 95th RW, which were painted black on the
basis of a regulation that allowed squadrons to paint all their
aircraft in the same livery.
The SR-71 is semi-gloss (or satin), rather than matte black, so you
may wish to add it to your list. It's not gloss Imron like the T-38s
of the 95th RW have, but it's still somewhat glossy.
The F-18 HARV is more than half semi-gloss black (glossier than the
SR-71), as is the single-seat F-16XL. Check http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov
for pictures of both.
--
Mary Shafer http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html
sha...@rigel.dfrc.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA
Lead Handling Qualities Engineer, SR-71/LASRE
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA
For non-aerospace mail, use sha...@ursa-major.spdcc.com please
> >I hate to belabour the obvious, but I don't see the SR-71 there....
>
> The SR is flat black insted of glossy.
Semi-gloss, aka satin, not matte.
> While not entirely black, B-52 aircraft operating during night raids
> used in some cases gloss black undersurfaces. Some early schemes
> I've seen were bare metal with just gloss black on the undersides,
> with the latest having gloss black undersides and vertical surfaces,
> with just the tops of the wings, engine nacelles, and fuselage
> painted in three-color camoflage.
The B-52B in the EDW museum is painted that way, but it's not gloss
black. More like semi-gloss, or satin, instead.
> F-16XL
Only the single-seater and it's semi-gloss, not gloss.
Lockmart has a whole fleet black airplanes parked where the public can see
them at their Plant in Palmdale. I say they look like BBQ black.
John
>Hi all,
>
>I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
>specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
>These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>
>I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
>predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
>tackier F-104s).
Which is it, standard or one-off's then? :)
Lots of RAF training types are black, it's the colour of choice these
days for high-vis. Suppose only the Hawk and Dominie fall under your
'jets only' rule though :)
The Canberra T.4 currently masquerading as the prototype is apparently
going to go black after the show season is over.
Mike Beachyhead's Buccaneers are gloss black, as is one of his
Lightnings.
111 Squadron (I think) had 'Black Mike', a rather swish F-4K in the late
80s. They also had all-black Hunters (for a display team - Delta Jets
operate an ex-237 OCU example in a similar scheme).
There's a nearly all-black Gnat T.1 on the civvy circuit in the UK
(G-RORI).
All I can think of for now.
--
Damien Burke (add 'k' to end of address if replying)
British military aircraft site: http://www.totavia.com/jetman/
And another one mailed to you. An RAF Phantom of 111 Sqd, painted all
gloss black for an unknown (to me) occasion in the 80s.
If anyone knows why this Phantom was painted please let Scott know.
>During the 1995 Airshow Season RAF Tornado GR1 serial number ZA560 was
>specially painted in an over black gloss colour scheme. The aircraft
>was from RAF Cottesmore TTTE (Tri-National Tornado Training
>Establishment), officialy disbanded 24 February 99, and featured the
>flags of Great Britain, Germany and Italy and the County of Rutland
>Coat of Arms on the tail. The TTTE Squadron Crest was on the front
>fuselage beneath the front seat.
>TJ1234.
During an earlier season (might have been 89) 16sqn, then in RAFG
painted a Gr1 up in all over black markings, with a giant saint on the
tail, not dis-similar to their display Jag. As I recall, it was
either matt or a fairly dull satin.
The 7FS T-38s at Holloman are painted glossy black as well,
probably for the same reason (to match the F-117s).
--Rolf
IIRC: the F4U Corsair night figther version was painted black...
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On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Rolf T. Kappe wrote:
>
> Mary Shafer wrote in message ...
> >s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:
> >> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
> a
> >> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
Scott M. Head wrote in message ...
>Hi all,
>
>I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
>specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
>These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational
schemes.
>
>I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
>predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
>tackier F-104s).
>
>Any ideas?
>
>All I know of off hand are:
>
Curtiss Blackhawk (nightfighter configuration?)
> Mary Shafer wrote in message ...
> >s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:
> >> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
> a
> >> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
> >> All I know of off hand are:
> >> USAF T-38s
> >
> >Only the few assigned to the 95th RW, which were painted black on the
> >basis of a regulation that allowed squadrons to paint all their
> >aircraft in the same livery.
>
> The 7FS T-38s at Holloman are painted glossy black as well,
> probably for the same reason (to match the F-117s).
You're exactly right; I forgot those airplanes entirely as I was
thinking of just Edwards and not the entire USAF (and I've even seen
those Holloman T-38s, which makes it even more embarassing). I should
have written that of the T-38s here at Edwards, only the few assigned
to the 95th RW were black, while the majority of them, being assigned
to the AFFTC, are in the usual white with international orange AFFTC
livery.
>Mary Shafer wrote in message ...
>>s...@iapc.net (Scott M. Head) writes:
>>> I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for
>a
>>> specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>>> All I know of off hand are:
>>> USAF T-38s
Most if not all Royal Air Force training aircraft including helicopters are now
painted gloss black.
nige
> Here's one I did not see listed bud. how about the P-61 black widow. a long
> pursuit aircraft during WW2.
> I believe it was a night interceptor. it had 2 engines and it kind of looked
> like a b-25 and a b-26. "MADDOG"
Unfortunately, it wasn't a jet.
The Header does say Aircraft.
John
v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR Aircrew
It's always better to lose AN engine than THE engine.
>Most if not all Royal Air Force training aircraft including helicopters are now
>painted gloss black.
The RAF determined that gloss black was the `most visible colour' for
trainers - apparently it provides the most contrast during the day; and
the gloss effect provides good reflections from lights at night.
Aetherem Vincere
Matt
--
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My employer and I have a deal - I don't speak | is not Air Force Policy.
for them, and they don't speak for me. | -- Anon, ETPS.
>Hi all,
>
>I'm interested in compiling a list of all the black jets I can find (for a
>specialized topical collection of photos and models).
>
>These can be either special operational schemes or standard operational schemes.
>
>I'm only interested in one-off's or anniversary schemes if they were
>predominantly black (Like the RAF Jag that was satin black and some of the
>tackier F-104s).
Looking back over some old messages, I came across this one and some
follow ups.
I don't think anyone mentioned the one-off Vickers Valiant B.2
prototype, WJ954.
But even if you can find a Valiant B.1 model somewhere, it would be a
fairly big job to convert it (longer fuselage, revised undercarriage
housed in fairings and so on).
--
Mike Tighe
Speaking from the bottom left
hand corner of the big picture.
Scott and Mike,
Your (Mike's) mention of the Valiant reminds me of one of the HP Victor prototypes which I saw and got a grotty snap of about 5 minutes before it "went in", sadly, killing all on board. Can't now remember the year, but it would have been around 1952 ?
This was, to my knowledge, the only Victor that was all black with a dark red stripe running I believe, from nose to tail.
Then of course there were the magnificent 12 all black Hawker Hunters of the Black Arrows aerobatic display team of 111 Squadron (1958)
John Ding (UK)
snip
Then of course there were the magnificent 12 all black Hawker Hunters of the
Black Arrows aerobatic display team of 111 Squadron (1958)
IIRC, the Black Arrows went up to 16 Hunters toward the end of their "time".
I certainly remember watching them at Farnborough with a 16 ship loop, a
year or so before "Phred's Five" barrel rolled a pair of Sea Vixens whilst
buddy refuelling. Back when the RAF was painted blue, not wearing
it.....................(reference to the ancient Brits who painted
themselves with woad before going into battle, for our transatlantic
cousins).
Cheers,
--
John Eacott
The Helicopter Service Australia
>But even if you can find a Valiant B.1 model somewhere, it would be a
>fairly big job to convert it (longer fuselage, revised undercarriage
>housed in fairings and so on).
There is a (crap) vacform available in 1/72 of the B.2. But it is very,
very, crap and expensive (long out of production).