A different Mpc design
Jon Van Wie
Dad's old mouthpiece. Ernie hadn't played it in many years and when he did
we were both shocked. It was called a Brit Tone. It was made out of plastic.
Has anyone ever heard of this make of Mpc?
This piece was designed differently than any piece that I've ever seen. It
sounded different too. I know Ernie's sound well. He makes a beautiful sound
on any piece that he plays and when he played this piece we couldn't help
but notice that it was VERY even over the entire range of the horn. This is
something that I feel is important.
The piece had a deep cut out right behind the tip rail and about mid baffle
it had a V shape from side rail to side rail. Then it went into a fairly
large chamber.
I believe because of the cavity right behind the tip rail the upper register
of the horn wasn't thin sounding, yet the V shape helped the piece project.
It would be very hard to make a piece like this one because you would need
to use what they call a rifler, which is a file that is shaped with a bend
in it. That must be what they used to cut out the divot behind the tip rail.
If anyone has a piece like this one, tell us about it!
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Jon Van Wie
as mine. The tone is as good as a Meyer; and has the projection of a Berg!
Ernie had a tenor and he thought the piece would sound even better if it was
made of hard rubber. I think he may have a point!
I have a really old hard rubber French alto
piece here. It has a very low baffle and a small chamber.( I don't think it
works very well.) I'm going to try to copy that Brit tone design onto this
hard rubber piece. I'll report to you how it comes out. Jon
<George wrote to Jon>
Hi John, The mpc was made in England. I had a tenor and alto- the alto being
a
> much better piece. Both had a thin metal shank on the neck end. The
material
> they were made of looked like the white Brilharts. And boy that baffle
what a V
> with little cuts or notches, it cut like a Berg and tone like a Meyer. I
feel
> the piece was molded. Theo had one on his web page for sale. Good Luck,
George
trooker...@earthlink.net
wrote:
>The piece had a deep cut out right behind the tip rail and about mid baffle
>it had a V shape from side rail to side rail. Then it went into a fairly
>large chamber.
>
I can only go on the description above. This sounds similar to the
Rico Metalite mpc. Although in the Rico the cut across the baffle is
straight as it drops into a largish chamber. But it does have a
significant cut right behind the tip. The Metalite has a distinctive
sound, and is pretty even across all registers.
Maybe Brilhart had something to do with the design of the Brit Tone
also?
Jon Van Wie
> also?
>
think Santy is a great innovator too. He has so many designs.
I took a Dremel to my French blank and cut out the baffle to be concave. It
plays REALLY stuffy now! (I didn't think THAT would happen.) I thought the
piece would go more dead, but now the palm keys are really loud compared to
the rest of the range of the horn. The altissimo, (when I can get it) is so
loud and thick it hurts my ears. Trying to make the mid register notes as
loud, the reed just closes up.
I'm going to try to install an epoxy "V" in the mid baffle now to see what
happens. Jon
PS/ Maybe I'll expand the chamber first. I don't know if I can do that with
the "V" baffle in place. I'll sleep on it!
Ralph Morgan
I have not been, nor ever have had aspirations of being a computer
guru. However, one of my well trained and very knowledgeable mouthpiece
handcrafting techs just handed me a very thought provoking item
concerning a particular mouthpiece.
This item struck a very sensitive nerve with me, since I am deeply
committed to the dispersion of true facts regarding:
1. Traditional and long proven and accepted acoustical designs on not
only woodwind instruments, but their attendant accessories.
2. dissemination of the true and scientific facts about such designs.
Yes, I said scientific, since the basis of correct design is a series of
numerical equations, all pertaining to the square-one fact that A-440
means that an extremely finite amount of a material, a metal, air,
etc.,when set in vibratory motion, will produce the pitch level of A,
which means that that exact volume vibrates at 440 cycle per second.
Please keep that extremely fact in mind as you read my comments. Many
of you may recognize me as the retired chief woodwind technician and
designer of the Selmer Co. in Elkhart (30 years service there). I
learned the craft, first from my father, who held a similar position
with the C.G. Conn Co. when I was born, and then from the other "old
gray heads" in the industry. That plus a lifetime of playing
experience, seems to make a bit more qualified to speak out when I feel
I can be of help to the music world.
The item referred to is an alto sax piece someone has seen, played, and
had some questions about.
So, here goes. By the way, I have one of these pieces on our museum
shelves here at Morgan Woodwind Products, so this will be first-hand
info, normally the only thing I will deal in.
1. The piece was made in England, possibly by Rudall O. Cocker, who
sold out to Boosey & Hawkes sometime in the 1930's. It is interesting
that the logo used on the piece is very similar to on common to Boosey &
Hawkes in post war years. The material is a synthetic, of a somewhat
darker color that the old Brilhart tonalin models, but much softer and
more granular that the tonalins. There was an inset tooth patch
(straight across) over the first 3/4" of the tip. The logo is a circle,
around an eagle with spread wings. His talons rest on the O of ROC, the
initials of the maker. Four stars indicate that the facing is a #4
tip. This is very close to our present day opening #4 on our Morgan
alto sax models. However, the facing length is much longer than alto
models have been for tens of years. Imprinted beneath the logo is "Pat.
in Grt. Brit & Abroad" and beneath that, "Made in England"
There is a brass ferrule on the first 1/4" of the shank, and it has a
sleeve of hard rubber inserted in the total length of the bore. So far,
the description would be normal to many of the older "foreign" pieces.
But...
2. The rather amazing configurations of the chamber are anything but
normal in their configuration, but an excellent example of what I call
the cut and try method applied to such an acoustically important piece
of equipment as the woodwind mouthpiece. Please remember that Adolphe
Sax designed the mouthpiece first, then designed the saxophone, using a
series of mathematical equations all of which contained 2 constant
figures, not just the on old friend PI because of the tubular makeup of
the saxophone. Why two, and what was the second one? Though not really
documented, but passed down through apprenticeships only, we know that
figure is different for each sized sax. It is the cubic air volume of
the chamber of the mouthpiece, and common sense should tell us that,
since the chamber is the most critical portion of the bore of the sax,
it should not be drastically altered without expectations of a like
effect in the tuning and tonality of the sax.
3. One observation in this item was that a pattern maker's file (a
riffling file) was used to redo this mouthpiece. No way! The cavity
just inside the tip rail and the very weird shaped V baffle(?) were
molded that way. The result, when the piece is played, is the most
raucous and piercing sound we (myself and our techs), all fine players,
have ever experienced. And the length of the facing, which is anything
but compatible with the rather close #4, makes may control problems for
the player, calling for constant embouchure adjustment. And the
sound??? Sorry, but I would not legitimize the police-whistle
shrillness by terming it a "tone". The core is almost undescernable.
To compare this to the sound capability of a Meyer, or the
"prof\jection" of a Berg is out of my comprehension of anyone's meaning
of the mismatch of capabilities. Please keep in mind that projection is
achieved by presence of mid and lower range requencies, not by the
extreme presence of short wave high frequencies, which impringe on the
player's ears, but travel nowhere in the air. (Don't confuse this with
the way the sound is altered through the EQ boards).
Anyhow, if your appetite for true facts in this fascinating business has
been whetted, I am in the process of producing about 45 videos, all on
the broad subjects of all aspects of the music biz, design, manufacture,
history, anecdotes, ets... Not all done yet, but look for them on
Thanks for reading,
Ralph Morgan
Jon Van Wie
Wow folks, did you read that? Ralph Morgan is one of the greatest Mpc techs.
that ever lived. I have nothing but respect for him. For him to come on to
our group and share his knowledge is a blessing indeed. I just wish he was
there to hear Ernie play that piece!
I don't ever tell a lie, Ernie sounded wonderful on that crazy tenor piece
of his Father's. It had a color that I had never heard before. During that
same time we play tested Meyer Bros., Dukoff, Otto Links, Bill Street,
Ponzol, and Berg, some of which were hand finished by myself and some that
weren't. The Dukoff was the big winner for LOUD and bright. The Meyer and
Otto Link was the big winner for pretty, but the Brit Tone had some other
thing in it. It was NOT harsh at all.
I measured the piece and Ralph's right, the facing curve was long in the
back, but Ernie seemed to be able to make it work.
Since I put up that post 2 players have contacted me (one of whom I shared
his letter with you) and the other told me that he's never had any luck with
the alto or tenor but he'd played clarinet pieces that were made by Brit
Tone that were great.
Mouthpieces being what they are, no two ever sound EXACTLY the same, so
maybe it was a fluke, or maybe Ernie's Dad had someone that really knew what
he was doing work on the piece. On my search for something new or different,
I'd never seen or heard anything that was designed like that.
I'm happy that Ralph responded! I'll keep my eyes and ears peeled for some
other things that will get a rise out of some of the best people in the
business!!! Jon Van Wie
Wolf Kodera
worked well for me these days (70s). Will try to find it and check it out.
Wolf
Jon Van Wie <j...@jonvanwie.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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I share Jon's expression of delight at Ralph Morgan's contribution to the
newsgroup. I've long considered Ralph to be the most authoritative and
valid source of mpc history and design information who is still active
and publishing his work. It's especially gratifying to me to have someone
else offer contributions to this group based on historically and
experientially established design priciples and presented so accurately.
I thought Ralph's discerning comments about performance characteristics
especially valuable and worthy of careful study by the participants in
this newsgroup. He's accurately identified what's really "going on"
design-wise with tone, projection and "perceived volume" considerations.
I'd actually thought most professional mpc consultants and technicians
were well aware of the characteristics of the Britone (and many other
vintage) mpcs, even those of "atypical" design. Apparently Jon was not.
In my opinion, it's best to really know what's "known" before constantly
searching for "something new and different" or engaging in "experimental
hot-rodding" in this craft. But, as Dennis Miller might say, "I could be
wrong....."
Welcome aboard Ralph! This group can really benefit from what you have to
offer. I'm really looking forward to the videos!!
Best Regards,
OldMpcDoc
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Before you buy.
saxmanxx
taking shots at one particular person. I think your email address should
start with the word cantankerous.
<oldm...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8mo47c$9tn$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
trooker...@earthlink.net
wrote:
>Once again you fire a shot. Every time I read one of your posts, you are
>taking shots at one particular person. I think your email address should
>start with the word cantankerous.
>
I don't see how it's cantankerous. 'Doc apparently is a craftsman who
received some training in his craft. Jon is apparently self-taught.
So what to Jon is a insightful discovery, to 'doc it's just some basic
concept. Doc has only challenged Jon's claims that he is making new
discoveries. It happens all the time between formally trained people
and self-taught people.
If some self-taught musician were to post that he discovered a great
chord progression, such as I-IV-V-I, he'd probably be laughed off the
list. I'm not saying Jon's "discovery" was that simple, just trying
to put things in perspective.
And nothing doc has said indicates he believes Jon can't improve a
mouthpiece. He made a claim that doc is challenging. Other people do
it all the time on this newsgroup. Why don't you call all of them
cantankerous?
Jon Van Wie
> Once again you fire a shot. Every time I read one of your posts, you are
> taking shots at one particular person. I think your email address should
> start with the word cantankerous.
That's OK saxmanxx, we can't ALL be ALL knowing now can we? How many people
do you know that know everything? I know a few, or at least they think they
know everything. It turns out for me, that the truth has a way of being
found, as long as I'm open minded enough to understand it. It's like music.
Some players are so hung up on themselves that they think everyone is awful
except themselves. We've all met people like that. Just ignore them and
they'll go away. It's their child like nature, trying to get attention. It
stems from poor parenting. Negitive attention is better than no attention at
all. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
Not once have I ever found joy in taking a shot at someone. I've read many
things here that I thought were wrong, but I didn't feel the need to set
them straight. Jon Van Wie
Jon Van Wie
> I don't see how it's cantankerous.
He's just pointing out the fact that every time this man puts up a post it's
to somehow take a shot at me. So far I've learned nothing from him.
Jon is apparently self-taught.
I studied with Ted Klum, a retired master mouthpiece refacer and an
excellent player. Ted would force me to do the job right. Then because of my
love for the instrument and this work, I went to the man with the most
pieces to work on. I spent a long 6 years with him. He was the biggest
distributer of vintage equipment on the east coast. While I was there, I
refaced 1000's of pieces. If that's not school, I don't know what is. I have
so much experience it's enough to make a minister swear!
> So what to Jon is a insightful discovery, to 'doc it's just some basic
> concept.
Please. Give me a break. The bottom line is, I service the player. If he's
not happy, I'm not happy. The players sound is the all that matters. If I
can help them I do.Not once have I thrown my hands up and said, sorry, my
work is perfect, it's you. You just can't play. If I'm required to put in a
different baffle profile, I do it. That led me to believe, (in the words of
oldmpcdoc) that Hot-Rodding is a way to go. Beat me with a stick over it.
>
> If some self-taught musician were to post that he discovered a great
> chord progression, such as I-IV-V-I, he'd probably be laughed off the
> list. I'm not saying Jon's "discovery" was that simple, just trying
> to put things in perspective.
Now that helped to clear everything up!
>
> And nothing doc has said indicates he believes Jon can't improve a
> mouthpiece. He made a claim that doc is challenging. Other people do
> it all the time on this newsgroup. Why don't you call all of them
> cantankerous?
They do and I don't approve. People that get a kick out of taking cheap
shots at others are wrong. They hide behind their computer and write things
about others that don't help anyone. Then they don't even have the guts to
sign their real name. Cowards!!! I hate Kenny G threads for that reason and
for awhile I thought it might stop. There's a big difference between having
a discussion and slander. There IS no fine line for me. JVW
Edward Branham
sorts of problems.
When one says 'discovered' the thing was there all along, and may have been
previously discovered by others as well. It is simply new to that particular
discoverer. Just don't make claims to have 'first discovered' something
without significant research.
I didn't take Jon's original post to claim that he was the first to discover,
or to make an invention. He was just excited to have learned something that
was new to him.
Give it a rest!
trooker...@earthlink.net wrote:
<snip>
> Doc has only challenged Jon's claims that he is making new discoveries. It
> happens all the time between formally trained people and self-taught
> people. If some self-taught musician were to post that he discovered a
> great chord progression, such as I-IV-V-I, he'd probably be laughed off the
> list. I'm not saying Jon's "discovery" was that simple, just trying
> to put things in perspective.
<snip>
trooker...@earthlink.net
wrote:
>They do and I don't approve. People that get a kick out of taking cheap
>shots at others are wrong. They hide behind their computer and write things
>about others that don't help anyone. Then they don't even have the guts to
>sign their real name. Cowards!!! I hate Kenny G threads for that reason and
>for awhile I thought it might stop. There's a big difference between having
>a discussion and slander. There IS no fine line for me. JVW
>
errr, you're latest supporter falls into this category. I belive this
is all he gave us to go on: "saxmanxx" <saxm...@aol.com>
This newsgroup (as do most) suffers from the tyranny of the minority.
The regulars have their favorites and don't tolerate any contrary
opinions. Fortunately for you, you're one of the favorites.
You made a claim that you discovered some new way of shaping the
baffle. Doc countered by saying that it wasn't anything new. There
were similar claims and counter claims about the Bri-Tone mpc. This
is a discussion.
Frankly, I tend towards doc's side of this discussion. If
saxophone/mouthpiece/reed making was as difficult and mysterious as it
is made out to be on this newsgroup, the damn instrument would never
have become popular! For that matter, it probably would never have
been invented.
saxmanxx
year. Every time I read a post from OldMpcDoc it seems to take on a
difficult and quarrelsome tone pertaining to one person. Every One.
Also, he is not just challenging a claim by Jon. With this last post he is
continuing a pattern that is designed to discredit the man. Please dont
misunderstand me. There are plenty of 'difficult and quarrelsome' posts on
this newsgroup and newgroups in general. (which is the nature of the beast).
But the posts by OldMpcDoc follow a pattern that are designed and focused
upon discrediting. He also uses complimentary statements towards others to
shroud his discrediting remarks.
I have read posts designed to take shots at others. And yes, it probably is
smarter not to respond (as some people say here..'not to feed the trolls').
But I don't know it 'all' nor I am not the smartest person in the world. (I
have never met that person). I guess that I am perpetuating the 'pattern' by
responding. This will be my last post on this. Jon certainly doesnt need
anyone to defend him (which was not my intention). And I definatley have
better things to do...like practice!
Best Regards,
Anthony
<trooker...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:39913da4...@news.earthlink.net...
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:11:55 -0400, "saxmanxx" <saxm...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Once again you fire a shot. Every time I read one of your posts, you are
> >taking shots at one particular person. I think your email address should
> >start with the word cantankerous.
> >
> I don't see how it's cantankerous. 'Doc apparently is a craftsman who
> received some training in his craft. Jon is apparently self-taught.
> So what to Jon is a insightful discovery, to 'doc it's just some basic
> concept. Doc has only challenged Jon's claims that he is making new
> discoveries. It happens all the time between formally trained people
> and self-taught people.
>
> If some self-taught musician were to post that he discovered a great
> chord progression, such as I-IV-V-I, he'd probably be laughed off the
> list. I'm not saying Jon's "discovery" was that simple, just trying
> to put things in perspective.
>
Jon Van Wie
> is all he gave us to go on: "saxmanxx" <saxm...@aol.com>
Yes, he made a point that I think is clear to everyone that reads this
group. Why am I being attacked? All I'm trying to do is the best I can. If I
wish to report my findings to the group does that mean I'm wrong? OK, from
now on opinions should never enter the picture here. Want to see this group
come to a screeching halt??? JVW
saxmanxx
There ya go.news:8mrune$7420s$1...@ID-43076.news.cis.dfn.de...
Eric Spaulding
bottle of Captain Morgan and let the Captain be the mediator.
Look, is there some kind of bad blood between the two of you? I
mean, I've tried mouthpieces that you've worked on (a Link in
Jon's case, and a berg in Doc Tenney's case), and they were both
great. They weren't mine, but I enjoyed what you both brought
to them. So why fight? You two aren't neighbors haggling over
a tree on a boundry or something. I get excited when I discover
something new while i'm practicing or playing, only to realize
later that I heard Seamus Blake do it first and it's been
floating in my subconcious. What's new to me is old hat to
another. So what? Be happy enough that you both do good work
and are in demand. Slinging shit on some silly newsgroup is
hardly the way to boost your business. What you SHOULD be doing
is reminding people that they are going to sound the same no
matter WHAT they play, and that the particular mouthpiece will
only make it easier or harder to sound like themselves. I think
you should put on Joe Lovano's album "From the Soul" and
remember why we're all studying this crazy thing that is jazz
music...
Eric, soon to be in Massachusetts
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oldm...@my-deja.com
> things here that I thought were wrong, but I didn't feel the need to set
> them straight. Jon Van Wie
Jon,
Why not try to "set things straight when you read things here that you
think were wrong..."? What's a newsgroup supposed to be for?
As far as I know, no one's "taking shots" at you. I'm certainly not and
have absolutely no reason to do so but you *do* set yourself up as a
prime target if someone had any intention of doing so. Actually, Ralph
Morgan's comments were far more incisively critical of your own personal
customizing approach and your apparent ignorance of earlier designs like
the Britone than my own comments were. Maybe you didn't "pick up" on that
in your own haste to respond to his comments so gushingly.....
In my opinion, one of the most useful aspects of a newsgroup is that of
being able to provide correct information and to refute the errors and
misinformation that are often perpetuated by repetition and the absence
of someone "setting things straight". Maybe you ought to consider
offering your own proven expertise in this way for a change instead of
submitting so many thinly-veiled advertisements for yourself.
If you want to use the newsgroup to make frequent reports about your own
"learning curve" regarding the mpc craft that's fine but it does tend to
undermine the credibility of your own frequent proclamations here of
your superior expertise and experience.
There's no point whining and bleeding when you haven't been shot at. But
"shooting yourself in the foot" is another matter entirely and it's hard
to have much sympathy for your apparent resultant distress.
sax...@my-deja.com
insightful as well as intelligent. IMHO he adds a great deal to this
newsgroup.
So what have you brought to this newsgroup Doc? Where are the
intresting stories and intelligent observations on the art and science
of mouthpeice refacing and manufacturing? Do you have any? It would be
nice for a change to see something from you other than your
constant 'poking' at Jon. Do you take pleasure in this game of yours?
Yes, it does seem like a game for you. Frequently when Jon makes a post
you respond with a flame. It is a pattern that is very obvious to me
and I would think everyone else with a modest amount of common sense.
From all that I have read of your posts, you seem to be not such a nice
person.
I cant imagine how this could be good for business Doc?
Do you have anything to add other than the constant flaming?
In article <8mt1g0$lm6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Jeremy Barzizza
Take it easy.
Jeremy
Anchorsax
>As far as I know, no one's "taking shots" at you. I'm certainly not ...
> your apparent ignorance of earlier designs ...
oldmpcdoc, why don't you offer something to this group rather than your
consistant flaming of Jon? It seems if Jon writes anything, you take it as an
excuse to start a flame. Why don't you just email him personally, since you
proven yourself to have a personal(ity) problem?
If it's personal, keep it private.
Maybe I should just filter out oldmpcdoc posts, but I keep hoping he'll say
something worth reading.
-Anchorsax
Jon Van Wie
> "Jon Van Wie" <j...@jonvanwie.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not once have I ever found joy in taking a shot at someone. I've read
many
> > things here that I thought were wrong, but I didn't feel the need to set
> > them straight. Jon Van Wie
>
>
> Jon,
>
> Why not
Because, I feel everyone has a right to their opinion. Even if I think their
wrong.
try to "set things straight when you read things here that you
> think were wrong..."? What's a newsgroup supposed to be for?
The sharing of information. That doesn't mean you have to listen to the news
if you think you already know exactly what's going to happen in the future.
The people that thought in the past where it was at, or where it would be in
the future, are now in the dark by todays standards. Especially when it
comes to mouthpieces. HaHaHaHa
>
> As far as I know, no one's "taking shots" at you. I'm certainly not and
> have absolutely no reason to do so but you *do* set yourself up as a
> prime target if someone had any intention of doing so.
Why is that? Is it because you hate to see anyone feeling happy and excited
about art? People with a vision bug you?
Actually, Ralph
> Morgan's comments were far more incisively critical of your own personal
> customizing approach and your apparent ignorance of earlier designs like
> the Britone than my own comments were.
The information that Ralph gave this group was what excited me. The fact
that he thought the Brit Tone sounded bad didn't bother me a bit, as I said,
I wished he was there to hear Ernie play that piece, he sounded great AND
every piece is different.!
Maybe you didn't "pick up" on that
> in your own haste to respond to his comments so gushingly.....
Doc, did you ever see Ralph's work? Ralph has earned my respect. I think
Ralph is a master craftsman. He knows the sound he likes and he knows how to
make it happen. Ralph's pieces are great. I know quality when I see it.
Shall I make my point any clearer? I know you must think Ralph's not
happening, right?
>
> In my opinion, one of the most useful aspects of a newsgroup is that of
> being able to provide correct information and to refute the errors and
> misinformation that are often perpetuated by repetition and the absence
> of someone "setting things straight".
What a huge responsibility you've taken on here. Being the one to judge.
What a job. I'm sure glad I'm the kind of guy that will let people think for
themselves, I'd hate like heck to be wrong in making judgements. Especially
with things I know nothing about.
Maybe you ought to consider
> offering your own proven expertise in this way for a change instead of
> submitting so many thinly-veiled advertisements for yourself.
I'm just talking about what I think about. It happens to be mouthpieces and
to the best of my knowledge, that's what these folks like talking about and
thinking about too. I'm not sure how you fit into the picture. Where are you
in all this Doc?
>
> If you want to use the newsgroup to make frequent reports about your own
> "learning curve" regarding the mpc craft that's fine but it does tend to
> undermine the credibility of your own frequent proclamations here of
> your superior expertise and experience.
There's only one way to find the real truth; and that's from having a very
open mind. It's simple, but it's hard to do. Not everyone can clear there
minds enough to be truly open minded. It's hard, you've learned for yourself
what works and what for you has become the ultimate truth. Then someone
comes along and tells the truth a completely different way. It changes the
way you have to see things in order to see exactly what the truth really is.
I don't pretend to know the ulitimate truth, but I'll tell you this, I'm on
the search.
>
> There's no point whining and bleeding when you haven't been shot at. But
> "shooting yourself in the foot" is another matter entirely and it's hard
> to have much sympathy for your apparent resultant distress.
I'm not really in any distress, but for a guy that once wrote me privatly
and warned me of the pitfalls of working for the folks on the internet. You
told me it would bring me nothing but a bunch of "tire kicking wanna-be's".
Tenney, your sure busy putting your views out to all those tire kickers. Are
you sure you want to do that?
I've been meet here with a great feeling that what I think matters. Maybe
it's just my ego trying to tell me something that's not true, but I don't
think so!!!!! I get to many guys telling me that I've improved their pieces
so much that their actually feeling HAPPY!!!!! Can you imagine? That's the
truth and that much I know!!! Jon Van Wie
PS/ I think that's what life's all about. If you find yourself not making
anyone happy around you, FIX IT. Only YOU, can change the future for the
better.
Maurizio Rossetto
of something she used to always say to me in Italian. "Chi cerca
trova" (one who searches shall find). This has been my motto in life.
Keep searching Jon.
Jeremy Barzizza
slam anyone a all! I am really sorry if this got interpreted the wrong way! I
didnt mean to slander anyone or add to the the whole fire thing that you guys
have going here...Again, everone, im sorry...
Take it easy.
Jeremy
PS. The "Take it easy." Doesnt mean anything against anyone. I just like the
sound of it... Kind of makes me feel like Shaft.