POL. We are not deceived
Dink
Already, most voters think Mr. Kerry is a politician who says
what people want to hear, the poll found, rather than what he
believes -- the line of attack Mr. Bush has used against him
in speeches. <http://snipurl.com/jkwaffle>
--
Dink
N 30.21, W 97.81
"Shall I tell you what the real evil is? To cringe to the things
that are called evils, to surrender to them our freedom, in
defiance of which we ought to face any suffering."
~~ Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
Marian
Undecided voters *must* be diligent and clear-eyed to overcome the Bush attack
machine's distortions and lies. Remember Max Cleland...
Marian
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>>NY Times-CBS News Poll results...
>>Already, most voters think Mr. Kerry is a politician who says
>>what people want to hear, the poll found, rather than what he
>>believes -- the line of attack Mr. Bush has used against him
>>in speeches. <http://snipurl.com/jkwaffle>
>>
>>--
>>Dink
>>N 30.21, W 97.81
>>"Shall I tell you what the real evil is? To cringe to the things
>>that are called evils, to surrender to them our freedom, in
>>defiance of which we ought to face any suffering."
>>~~ Seneca, Letters to Lucilius
>
>
> Undecided voters *must* be diligent and clear-eyed to overcome the Bush attack
> machine's distortions and lies. Remember Max Cleland...
>
> Marian
The same goes for Kerry, m'dear.
JD
Bobbie
> NY Times-CBS News Poll results...
> Already, most voters think Mr. Kerry is a politician who says
> what people want to hear, the poll found, rather than what he
> believes -- the line of attack Mr. Bush has used against him
> in speeches. <http://snipurl.com/jkwaffle>
>
Dink. I do remember you saying or intimating that you were an
Independent. What does that mean exactly? and is there a candidate that
you support?......and please what is your personal view of Kerry.....I
would be most interested to know.....
Bobbie:-)
Dink
Awww. You haven't been paying attention. I've described Kerry
as a rich woman's gigolo and a political whore of overreaching
ambition. One does not need to examine but a recent sampling of
his speeches (October 2003 to present) to find evidence of his
ping-pong politics. It only gets worse if you go back over the
entire 20 years he has been holding elected office.
I also have major problems with Bush... his religiosity,
anti-gay, secrecy, environmentally brown, economically inept.
--
Dink
very independent
Bobbie
LOL, sorry Dink, I thought you were kidding about Kerry......So you
don't like him much?
Does this mean you approve his Foreign Policy? Bush I mean.....
Bobbie:-)
Dink
@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk:
> LOL, sorry Dink, I thought you were kidding about Kerry......So you
> don't like him much?
;-)
>
> Does this mean you approve his Foreign Policy? Bush I mean.....
>
> Bobbie:-)
I think he frightens other nations regards American hegemony.
He probably doesn't explain himself as well as he should with
our allies. But for putting the squeeze on Wahabi Islamist
terrorists, I think he's doing a decent job.
Jean B.
>
> Awww. You haven't been paying attention. I've described Kerry
> as a rich woman's gigolo and a political whore of overreaching
> ambition. One does not need to examine but a recent sampling of
> his speeches (October 2003 to present) to find evidence of his
> ping-pong politics. It only gets worse if you go back over the
> entire 20 years he has been holding elected office.
>
> I also have major problems with Bush... his religiosity,
> anti-gay, secrecy, environmentally brown, economically inept.
>
> --
> Dink
> very independent
And who, realistically, would be better than either of them,
Dink? By "realistically", I want someone who is electable.
--
Jean B.
Dink
>
> And who, realistically, would be better than either of them,
> Dink? By "realistically", I want someone who is electable.
> --
> Jean B.
Joe Lieberman was the least objectionable Democrat.
John McCain would probably be the least objectionable Republican.
I haven't heard anything from the Libertarians yet. The major
media won't give them any coverage.
Kelly Petit
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Well, I guess that could be true for any politician.
Kelly
Kelly Petit
What a problem!
But you only have this system so you'll have to vote for a lesser eveil
then.
Kelly
Jean B.
>
> "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in news:40575244...@rcn.com:
>
> >
> > And who, realistically, would be better than either of them,
> > Dink? By "realistically", I want someone who is electable.
> > --
> > Jean B.
>
> Joe Lieberman was the least objectionable Democrat.
> John McCain would probably be the least objectionable Republican.
> I haven't heard anything from the Libertarians yet. The major
> media won't give them any coverage.
>
--
Jean B.
lamb
>> Awww. You haven't been paying attention. I've described Kerry
>> as a rich woman's gigolo and a political whore of overreaching
>> ambition. One does not need to examine but a recent sampling of
>> his speeches (October 2003 to present) to find evidence of his
>> ping-pong politics. It only gets worse if you go back over the
>> entire 20 years he has been holding elected office.
>>
>> I also have major problems with Bush... his religiosity,
>> anti-gay, secrecy, environmentally brown, economically inept.
>>
>> --
>> Dink
>> very independent
>
>What a problem!
>But you only have this system so you'll have to vote for a lesser eveil
>then.
>Kelly
>
>
I can understand why so few people bother to vote. Is there no way to
change the system? After all this is about electing one of the most
powerful people in the world ........
--
Loes
Kelly Petit
"lamb" <lambwil...@chello.nl>
> I can understand why so few people bother to vote. Is there no way to
> change the system? After all this is about electing one of the most
> powerful people in the world ........
>
> --
> Loes
>
and you have to be rich in the bargain from what I understood. Wasn't it
Dink who said that some candidate didn't "survive" because they didn't have
the money to go through a campaign?
Kelly
LoneStar
Jean B. wrote:
Unfortunately, out of 166 peoplethat started out running for President,
there are none with the money and media exposure to get elected.
Robert(Independent Texan)
Jean B.
A good reason to adopt a system that limits the time that
campaigning can take place in.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
I wonder how, other than shortening the campaign period, that can
be remedied? How would people get enough name recognition?
--
Jean B.
VBFree
>>>And who, realistically, would be better than either of them,
>>>Dink? By "realistically", I want someone who is electable.
>>>--
Dink wrote:
>>Joe Lieberman was the least objectionable Democrat.
>>John McCain would probably be the least objectionable Republican.
>>I haven't heard anything from the Libertarians yet. The major
>>media won't give them any coverage.
Jean B. wrote:
> Well, they seem to be out for this race....
Does anyone realize that this may be the single most important election
in our lifetimes? For the future of our country and the world?
The choice we have is the lesser of two evils or the greater of two
evils... opinions are split about 50/50.. it's going to be as tight as
2000 was. Heaven help us.
Vickie
Clark Simmons
that have filed, Michael Badnarik of Texas and Jeff Diket over in Lousiana.
Rep. Dr. Ron Paul is scheduled as a speaker at the TX Lib cnvention on June 11
and 12 in College Station. Now, that's someone I could really support if he'd
run for president again. He just might be electable. There is talk of him
being drafted to run.
I'm not getting any media coverage in comparison to what I got in 2000 in my own
campaign. I get lots of web site hits, but from other districts. But then, I'm
in a contested race. Our district convention is March 20.
The national Lib convention is May 27-31 in Atlanta. Dr. Paul is scheduled to
speak there also.
--
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>
> Does anyone realize that this may be the single most important election
> in our lifetimes? For the future of our country and the world?
>
> The choice we have is the lesser of two evils or the greater of two
> evils... opinions are split about 50/50.. it's going to be as tight as
> 2000 was. Heaven help us.
>
> Vickie
I sure had hoped that that would not be the case. :-( We've just
got to...
Ya know, I am finding myself getting more radical about things
now--like I felt you know when. And I am probably bringing up a
little radical who will never sell out.
--
Jean B.
VBFree
> VBFree wrote:
>>Does anyone realize that this may be the single most important election
>>in our lifetimes? For the future of our country and the world?
[..]
> Ya know, I am finding myself getting more radical about things
> now--like I felt you know when. And I am probably bringing up a
> little radical who will never sell out.
Good for you.. and her. I am starting to feel a little of that ol' fire
in the belly of my yoot...
V
Kelly Petit
"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com>
>
> A good reason to adopt a system that limits the time that
> campaigning can take place in.
> --
> Jean B.
I just don't understand how you can get through it all.
kelly
Jean B.
I guess we are used to it. Doesn't make it a good system though.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
Exactly. I would prefer not to have been reacquainted with it
quite this way though. :-(((( I think I'll get out and do some
envelope stuffing etc. too. Gotta do SOMETHING!
--
Jean B.
Marian
It's a good system, Loes & Kelly. And John Kerry is a fine man. We're lucky to
have him. Marian
Marian
>Does anyone realize that this may be the single most important election
>in our lifetimes? For the future of our country and the world?
>
>The choice we have is the lesser of two evils or the greater of two
>evils... opinions are split about 50/50.. it's going to be as tight as
>2000 was. Heaven help us.
>
>Vickie
I've been hoping Kerry would be the Democratic candidate all along, Vickie.
Don't see him as in any way an *evil*.
After what we've seen when they were not even elected, imagine what Bush/Cheney
are capable of doing to this country/the world in a second term? It doesn't
bear thinking about...
lonestar
Kelly Petit wrote:
Welp, Kelly, it has been a fact of life for the citizens in the Republic
of the United States for a long time. The process is probably why the
voters submit to apathy. 8 to 12% of registered Voters is an average
turn out. Campaign Reform could possibly help, but neither party will
agree to it.
The US has suffered thru terrible Presidents in the past several years;
Esienhower( a do nothing), Lyndon Johnson,(the socialist father of our
Welfare State), Nixon(let me say this about that), Jimmy Carter(runaway
inflation and the highest interest levels ever recorded), Clinton(the
cause of Moral Decline, he convined our children that Oral Sex ain't
really sex), and Papa Bush,( he taught us to lie without movin our
lips). Ford was not considered a good replacement for Nixon, yet he "did
no harm" other than to Pardon Nixon.
We, the American People, will survive whom ever is elected to the
Presidency because that is our nature.
Robert(Independent Texas Voter that Votes in all elections)
>
>
lonestar
Marian wrote:
Hopefully, your opinion will remain in the minority.
Robert
VBFree
>>Does anyone realize that this may be the single most important election
>>in our lifetimes? For the future of our country and the world?
>>
>>The choice we have is the lesser of two evils or the greater of two
>>evils... opinions are split about 50/50.. it's going to be as tight as
>>2000 was. Heaven help us.
>>Vickie
>
>
> I've been hoping Kerry would be the Democratic candidate all along, Vickie.
> Don't see him as in any way an *evil*.
>
> After what we've seen when they were not even elected, imagine what Bush/Cheney
> are capable of doing to this country/the world in a second term? It doesn't
> bear thinking about...
> Marian
Oopsie..I didn't make myself clear - I was responding to a previous post
where someone said they didn't like any candidate running for pres.
I like Kerry well enough.. I do think he has a hard row to hoe with his
senate voting record.. which they're going over with a fine-toothed
comb. Gah.. 19 yrs leaves a long trail. Maybe this is why the last
senator elected was JFK.
People don't understand the games played there - sometimes a senator
votes for something to return a favor - maybe on something he knows
won't pass. etc. Both sides do it.
BTW - John Forbes Kerry has the same initials as......
VB
Marian
Did you see this, Vickie?
-------------------------------------------------------------March 7, 2004
NYTIMES OP-ED COLUMNIST
J.F.K., Marilyn, 'Camelot'
By MAUREEN DOWD
NEW ORLEANS
Here are five things you might not know about John F. Kerry:
Like W., he loved "Cats."
Like his hero J.F.K., he was crazy about the musical "Camelot" and Marilyn
Monroe (but only on screen).
Like that other earnest Massachusetts liberal, Michael Dukakis, he is drawn to
the sultry tango. (Then again, tango is called the dance of "vertical
solitude.")
Like Dennis Kucinich, he writes soulful poetry.
Like my older brother Michael, he never got over the image of Elizabeth Taylor
in a white bathing suit in "A Place in the Sun."
It's not often that you get a presidential candidate to recite poetry to you,
especially in a year when W. and J.F.K. are going macho a macho.
But there was Mr. Kerry flying from Boston to New Orleans on Friday, sipping
tea for his hoarse throat and reeling off T. S. Eliot's "Love Song of J. Alfred
Prufrock."
"There are so many great lines in it," he said. " `Do I dare to eat a peach?'
`Should I wear my trousers rolled?' `Let us go, through certain half-deserted
streets/The muttering retreats/Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels/And
sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells."
Then he started on "Gunga Din" and " `talk o' gin and beer.' "
When I gave George W. Bush a culture quiz in 2000, he gamely struggled to come
up with one answer in each category, calling baseball his favorite "cultural
experience."
Mr. Kerry, on the other hand, struggled to stop coming up with a cascade of
things in each category, rarely settling on a definite favorite.
In what may be an interesting harbinger for their debates, W. raced through his
whole interview in the same time Mr. Kerry took to answer the first question
about his favorite movie. After he had roamed through 37 movies, ranging from
his "Fellini stage" to his Adam Sandler period, from "National Velvet" to "The
Deer Hunter" to "Men in Black," Mr. Kerry's aides began to hover.
The Republicans would denounce it as film flip-flopping, no doubt. But in
culture, as in policy, the senator and the president proved very different
creatures the complicated versus the concrete, the "insatiable," as Teresa
Heinz Kerry calls her husband's interests, versus the incurious.
Mr. Kerry is not a simple brush-clearing, ESPN-watching fellow. Just as he has
an almost comically vast palette of aggressive masculine sports and hobbies,
with costumes and gear, he has a vast palette of cultural preferences.
He not only reads poetry "I love Keats, Yeats, Shelley and Kipling" he writes
it. "I remember flying once; I was looking out at the desert and I wrote a poem
about the barren desolation of the desert," he said. "I wrote a poem once about
a great encounter I had with a deer early in the morning that was very moving."
(Sometimes he shoots deer, sometimes he elegizes them.)
Still showing his phantom Irish side, he pronounced Leon Uris's "Trinity" his
favorite novel, and said he once explored making it into a movie. Then he
tacked on Huck Finn, Tom Sawyer and the Hardy Boys "all those good dudes."
Then, remembering he's in an alpha race, he added portentously: "We all were
affected by Hemingway."
Dan Rather may have been skeptical in the last debate about whether Mr. Kerry
has enough Elvis in him, but the senator said he learned the guitar and played
in a band because he loves Elvis, Buddy Holly, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones,
the Grateful Dead not to mention classical, opera and, yes, folk music.
Though he dated Morgan Fairchild, Mr. Kerry has no interest in prime time now:
" `Saturday Night Live' 's my favorite show."
Though critics paint him as pompous, Mr. Kerry dares to be corny. He says he's
a "sap" for movies like "Miracle on 34th Street," "Top Gun" and "Braveheart,"
and a "sucker" for musicals like "Les Misérables," "Phantom of the Opera" and
"My Fair Lady." He says he likes airport mysteries and thrillers as well as
biographies of Teddy Roosevelt and Lincoln.
The Republicans cast Mr. Kerry as dour and angry, but he likes comedies like
"The Blues Brothers" and "Animal House" and old-fashioned romantic epics, like
"Scaramouche," "Ivanhoe" and "Indiana Jones."
And finally, dancing. "I can rock and roll," he said. "And I'd love to learn to
tango."
Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
VBFree
[..]
> Did you see this, Vickie?
Wow, he is ever so much more appealing to me now... ;)
V
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Send him over here, I'll teach him to dance tango!
Kelly
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Marian
>Marian wrote:
>[..]
>
>> Did you see this, Vickie?
>Wow, he is ever so much more appealing to me now... ;)
>
>V
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