Fun facts to know and tell about Jules Gilbert :)
SuperFly
After reading some of the recent and older posts of Jules Gilbert I
decided that this was more than just an average troll. This
guy/persona has been around on the internet/usenet for almost 10
years. His postings which can be found using google, are a mixture of
*normal tech posts* (0), posts about stock prediction, recursive
random data compression, self learning RAD programming tools (from the
80's - pre internet) and some of a more philosophical nature.
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=*compression*&as_uauthors=Jules%20Gilbert&hl=en
If we assume that they were all posted by an individual or a group of
people who maintain this persona we can establish some facts.
1) About this person/persona
- The recent postings seem to be posted from google news, which
suggests that he/she/group wants to remain anonymous.
- I tested the email address , and his recent email jul...@gis.com is
not valid. www.gis.com is a valid site but I think the email is bogus.
- I tested the email address in the original post (j...@medg.lcs.mit.edu
(Jules Gilbert)) and this was valid but I got no reply. However this
email address connects to an MIT website www.medg.lcs.mit.edu. Which
is the Clinical Decision Making department of *MIT* (1) and based on
their mission statement seems to works on *computer AI* (2) projects
in a *medical* (3) context.
2) About the name
- I noticed a reference to "Bacon-like scientific search tool" in a
recent post. I googled "*bacon scientific search tool*" which seems to
point to a *famous author* (4) who published psychology study books.
http://www.ablongman.com/catalog/academic/product/0,4096,0205327710-TOC,00.html
http://www.ablongman.com/catalog/academic/product/0,4096,0205155170-DS,00.html
- The name *Jules Gilbert (1902-1979)* (5) is the name of one of the
founders of modern mental medicine education. I doubt this is a
coincidence :)
http://iquebec.ifrance.com/quebecunpays/Jules-Gilbert-par-B-Gaumer-G-Desrosiers-cr-Gilles-Rheaume.html.
4) About the time line
The usenet trolling experience seems to have started in *1996* (6) and
mostly consists of 2 'waves' a year. One around January, and one
around September. There could be a connection to school semesters
here? :-/ There are posts in all years except for *1999 and 1997* (7).
Is there a specific class at MIT that started in 1996 and wasn't
tutored in 1997/1999 ??
5) About some statements in the posts
50% of the postings seem to consist mostly of contradictions and if
you read through the threads the story is almost never consistent.
Somehow the poster almost never mentions hard facts like names of
people or dates or any useful data. They are like a good magic trick.
You know it's fake, but keep watching anyway :)
But I noticed the word *aiTRAN* (8) in one of the recent posts and
googled that. And found this web page :
http://www.edm2.com/0511/ait.html. This is some sort of super RAD
programming/developer tool (1988 - 1992). A self learning programming
environment that only needs a few instructions to build a program and
can come up with algorithms (expert system). (Notice that this kind of
thing didn't exits in 1988 and must have been what every software
company wanted back then.) Written by you guessed it .. J.G. :) The
strange thing is that the rest of this site seems to consist of good
information (http://www.edm2.com) which almost suggests that this
makes some sense ?!? :-/
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What can we make of this ??
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I think it's safe to say that JG is somehow connected to the field of
psychology and computer science because the posts show enough
knowledge about tech to interest even well versed readers and the
references he makes to the field of psychology (4,5).
His age must be 40 or more if we assume that he was at least 20 when
he started this thing in (+/-)1986.
His writing style suggests that English is his first language. Or if
it's not, has spent a lot of time perfecting this skill. Because his
writing style looks flawless to me. ( Way better than mine :) )
Some of his posts on usenet seem to be regular tech posts (0). Which
suggests that he is/was either a pro or an amateur in this field. A
lot of stuff seems to make sense, which is a strange thing and
contradicts the scam theory :-/
There seems to be a link to MIT. Maybe J.G. has attended M.I.T. or
works/worked there. Or J.G. is persona, which originates from the
M.I.T campus. (1)
I think the J.G. persona is either:
1) A prankster, or group of pranksters (from M.I.T ?)
2) A scam artist (in which case i wonder if anybody ever lost any
money/time)
3) A reoccurring M.I.T. science experiment on psychology and/or AI.
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Disclaimer:
English is not my first language so there may be spelling/grammar
errors in the previous text. All the above information can be found on
the Internet and this piece of text is just my interpretation of this
information. I might be completely or partially wrong. I supply this
on an as is base so everybody can form their own opinion.
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David A. Scott
>
> 4) About the time line
>
> The usenet trolling experience seems to have started in *1996* (6) and
> mostly consists of 2 'waves' a year. One around January, and one
> around September. There could be a connection to school semesters
> here? :-/ There are posts in all years except for *1999 and 1997* (7).
> Is there a specific class at MIT that started in 1996 and wasn't
> tutored in 1997/1999 ??
>
>
Unless you have access to the old Dejanews data base or the NSA's
you will find many old posts missing on Google. I would not say just
because the 99 and 97 years seem to lack posts it does not mean they
did not occur. Likewise he or his group may have been posting several
years before 96.
David A. Scott
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Phil Carmody
> Hi all,
>
> After reading some of the recent and older posts of Jules Gilbert I
> decided that this was more than just an average troll.
More kook than troll. I think he's pesuaded himself to actually
believe in his nonsense.
He gets replies though, so he scores troll points too.
> This
> guy/persona has been around on the internet/usenet for almost 10
> years. His postings which can be found using google, are a mixture of
> *normal tech posts* (0), posts about stock prediction, recursive
> random data compression, self learning RAD programming tools (from the
> 80's - pre internet
*cough*. Some of us youngsters were using the internet in the 80s.
Some of the oldsters from before that. For example, the comp
hierarchy within which this post resides was created in 1987,
IIRC. Usenet is part of the internet, in those days it was one
of the largest components of it. There's more to the internet than
this wank wank wank stuff, you know!
> What can we make of this ??
A blancmange.
> His writing style suggests that English is his first language. Or if
> it's not, has spent a lot of time perfecting this skill. Because his
> writing style looks flawless to me. ( Way better than mine :) )
Going solely by the first few paragraphs of
Message-ID: <4pdu0k$o...@spock.ici.net>#1/1
I'd say its crap. He has no idea how to use apostrophe's.
Phil
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Jules Gilbert
I am the author aiSOFT and aiTRAN.
I've been a programmer since 1965. My first machine was an IBM 1620.
I have no connection to medicine or psychology. The 'medg' group does
AI from the standpoint of decision making in circumstances where the
available information us usually quite limited.
That's my interest, building programs which provide value in
environments that lack sufficient information to produce a 'perfect'
result.
For example, all data mining and prediction-oriented applications are
within this category.
I don't know any other Jules Gilbert's. It's not a common name.
Oh!, I must have got my own email address wrong! It's '.net', not
'.com' I have a lot on my mind these days -- as you know
random-compression is an interest of mine and I now have a
'reasonably' fast method. (I am working a lot.)
I am a little worried that others may not think my program is fast.
But measured on a byte-compression basis, (because it can be run
iteratively), the practical value far exceeds conventional compression
programs.
Besides, it's time.
Dr Chaos
> You got almost all your conclusions wrong (why am I not surprised.)
>
> I am the author aiSOFT and aiTRAN.
>
> I've been a programmer since 1965. My first machine was an IBM 1620.
>
> I have no connection to medicine or psychology. The 'medg' group does
> AI from the standpoint of decision making in circumstances where the
> available information us usually quite limited.
>
> That's my interest, building programs which provide value in
> environments that lack sufficient information to produce a 'perfect'
> result.
>
> For example, all data mining and prediction-oriented applications are
> within this category.
This is generally known as Bayesian statistics, and the relation to
orthodox data compression and information theory has been known for a
long time. There's no free bits.
Pete Fraser
"Jules Gilbert" <j...@medg.lcs.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:496bb05e.03101...@posting.google.com...
>
> I am a little worried that others may not think my program is fast.
Frankly, most others may not think your program exists.
John Ours
> I think the J.G. persona is either:
>
> 1) A prankster, or group of pranksters (from M.I.T ?)
> 2) A scam artist (in which case i wonder if anybody ever lost any
> money/time)
> 3) A reoccurring M.I.T. science experiment on psychology and/or AI.
>
For what it's worth-
I have personally spoken with Jules several times via telephone, the
last time was within this past year. While we were speaking about a
different project he explained to me the theory behind his first
compressor, which he recently referred to as 'T1' on this group. The
description he gave me is substantially the same as the one he posted
here. The other project we were discussing was both real and working
albeit (at the time) not as well has he had hoped. Jules did not ask
me for any money, try to sell me anything, or try to get me to invest
in his project; in fact, he gave me a lot of his time and a lot of
information.
My conclusions about Jules Gilbert:
- He is a real person, not a persona or an experiment
- The Jules Gilbert that I have spoken with is the same one who posts
to this group
- He is not a con man and is probably not out rigging elaborate
demonstrations
- He has written a compression program (or programs)
- He will be able to demonstrate that the program does what he says on
some subset of files
Now, that being said, I know Mr. Gilbert isn't able to compress all
files of any size to fit on a floppy. I believe that his claims on
this group are the result of either inaccurate extrapolation or using
a mechanism that we all would not consider compression (most likely
"inadvertent" data hiding or an auxiliary channel). Above all, I think
he truly believes that he is able to do what he claims he can do, and
I think that explains his persistence.
-John
Jules Gilbert
physical world is 'free' -- in this you are quite right), but
engineering techniques have been developed to detect, filter,
transform, amplify, discriminate, and correlate these same non-free
bits.
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