David Nelson NYE
Garry Bryan
NYE gig. . .what I need help with is finding a small hall in the Bay area. .
.there was a small Womans League Hall in Berkeley that Wavy Gravy had a gig
in years ago. . .need to be able to have music so advance permits prefered.
. .any suggestions send to my home email garr...@pacbell.net. .
Garry
Bryan
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My suggestion.....Maine!!!! Please come to Maine!!!
Frndthdevl
Joe's backyard
ecocats
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>
> Joe's backyard
*** say what? for real? or is this your wish / recommendation??
Joe
> Joe's backyard
I have it on good authority that one of the members of DNB has a certain
appreciation/mania for Marin County wildflowers, as in stalking the wild
and rare Tiburon Mariposa Lily, and he might be outraged at the suggestion
of trampling my habitat restoration project.
And, the thing is...I'm not joking.
Joe
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Garry Bryan
: Frndthdevl <frndt...@aol.comdown> wrote:
:> Joe's backyard
: I have it on good authority that one of the members of DNB has a certain
: appreciation/mania for Marin County wildflowers, as in stalking the wild
: and rare Tiburon Mariposa Lily, and he might be outraged at the suggestion
: of trampling my habitat restoration project.
: And, the thing is...I'm not joking.
Right now we are checking out the Petaluma Vets Hall. . .they will loan it if
they get the beer concession and I can get Lagunitas to donate kegs at cost. ..
heck, maybe they will be into serving breakfast for folks who sleep over. . .
Garry
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Frndthdevl
as much as a small party with DNB on NYE sounds like much fun. Too bad the
powers that be don't have them on the stage on NYE with The Dead. Of course
they might be frightened they get shown up. LOL And lose the crowd for the rest
of the night
. DNB opening for the Dead for a tour would bring back great memories of NRPS
opening for the Gratefulfucking Dead. Now that is a tour I could travel for.
Plus it sure would be nice to have so many ears turned on from throughout the
country.
So let us all say it loud and proud
LET THE DNB PLAY WITH THE DEAD AT LEAST SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE!
Burt
Burt
"Frndthdevl" <frndt...@aol.comdown> wrote in message
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TigerStrat
would blow the Deader Ones out the window. )
Joe
> The only problem as I see it is that as an opening band, Nelson Band
> would blow the Deader Ones out the window. )
That's why The Dead should be opening for The David Nelson Band.
Joe
Joe
And, with Mookie and Charlie Crane living in Baltimore, I have a feeling
that you'll be seeing DNB rather than DN&F. Lucky bastards! ;-)
FRIDAY
NOVEMBER 28
The State Theater
220 N. Washington St.
Falls Church, VA
Opener: Ordinary Way
Doors at: 7:00 PM
Show at: 9:00 PM
DNB at 10:45 PM
Ticket Price: $14 in advance
$17 at door
On sale now at box office or
www.musictoday.com
ticketmaster
Venue phone: (703) 237-0300
SATURDAY
NOVEMBER 29
Alley Katz
10 Walnut Alley
Richmond, VA
Opener: tba
Doors at: 9:30 PM
Show at: 10:30 PM
Ticket Price: $12 in advance
$15 at door
On sale now at box office or
www.musictoday.com
ticketmaster
also Plan 9 music stores in Richmond area
SUNDAY
NOVEMBER 30
Recher Theatre
512 York Rd.
Towson, MD
Opener: Brock
Doors at: 8:0 PM
Show at: 9:15 PM
Ages: 18+
Ticket Price: $12 in advance
$15 at door
On sale now at box office or
www.musictoday.com
ticketmaster
Recher Theatre box office
Venue phone: (410) 337-7178
JimK
>Joe wrote:
>>
>>TigerStrat wrote:
>>> The only problem as I see it is that as an opening band, Nelson Band
>>> would blow the Deader Ones out the window. )
>>
>>That's why The Dead should be opening for The David Nelson Band.
>
>Write this date down. We agree.
November 7, 2003. Preserved for posterity.
JimK
Mark
>Date: 11/7/2003 11:47 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <35jnqv8d2lsd11no3...@4ax.com>
>
>Joe wrote:
>>
>>TigerStrat wrote:
>>> The only problem as I see it is that as an opening band, Nelson Band
>>> would blow the Deader Ones out the window. )
>>
>>That's why The Dead should be opening for The David Nelson Band.
>
>Write this date down. We agree.
The Red Sox should win the world series now.
Mark
Garry Bryan
venue!! Too cool. . .checking it out this week an seeing what we need in the
way of lighting. . .
Garry
"Joe" <jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Joe
from him, I'm hopeful now that it can happen!
Joe
Upcoming
DNB Shows
12/27 -San Francisco,CA(DNF)
12/31 -Cotati, CA(DNF)
Aha. So it is David Nelson and Friends.
Thank you, Garry! You actually pulled it off!
JC Martin
What's the status of DNB? Doesn't seem like they play much anymore. I'm
always interested in hearing this Mookie guy on the keys but haven't had the
opportunity yet.
-JC
Joe
Well, what the deal is...
David, Barry and Billy all live in Northern California.
Mookie and Charlie live in Baltimore. The original DNB drummer lives in
Portland.
It's a sad state of affairs. Due to tiny crowds, and the cost of
transcontinental flights, they can't really afford to fly the keyboardist
and drummer to the Bay Area. Which is why we've had the Trio for the past
18 months or so. As it is, Pete Sears and Jimmy Sanchez also live in the
Bay Area, and that's how they became "The Friends."
Charlie Crane is only a part-time drummer. His day job is as a house
painter, and things started unraveling maybe 18 months ago, when Charlie
had a big painting job...and he made so much more than he would have made
with DNB. In addition, he has some health problem, so this summer's few
DNB dates had Arthur Steinhorn on drums.
Likewise with Mookie...he had a back operation maybe 18 months ago, and
was side-lined for maybe 6 months. So, that's when the Trio started.
It's so bizarre! DNB is so damned hot, yet they can't really afford to
play together. The usual attendance is about 50 people, and I've seen them
with as few as 10 in the audience. And, it seems to me that they mainly
play within driving distance of one of their houses, so the rest of the
band can "crash on the floor."
Yet, as odd as it'll sound, there is an upside to all this...
The band knows their entire fan base, by first name. When they played in
Oakland a few weeks ago, Garry was stunned that the bass player hugged him
and welcomed him back. It's like we are all family. When I walked into the
Oakland Metro last month, I jokingly told my 2 flower girls that I knew
everyone in the audience.
Quite often, they kick off their show with "Long Gone Sam," a song which
starts with. "Well, I ain't standing here for the money..."
Ain't that the truth!
volkfolk
"Joe" <jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid> wrote in message
Shit!!
I wish i could make the 12/27 show. but it seems highly doubtful. Our flight
doesn't arrive until 10:30 PM....... How late do they play and where is the
gig?
Probably impossible to pull off, but maybe I could make the second set.
Scot (pipe dreaming again.....)
Joe
> I wish i could make the 12/27 show. but it seems highly doubtful. Our flight
> doesn't arrive until 10:30 PM....... How late do they play and where is the
> gig?
> Probably impossible to pull off, but maybe I could make the second set.
It's at the historic Avalon in SF, but...David Nelson is the opening band
that night for Kimock. IOW, you're out of luck.
JC Martin
Maybe Mookie on NYE? Gary can fly him out here. :-)
-JC
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Garry Bryan
: JC Martin <jcma...@sonic.net> wrote:
Hey, I wasn't stunned that Billy hugged me, he does all the time, it was the
groping that surprised me. .. ;)
: Quite often, they kick off their show with "Long Gone Sam," a song which
: starts with. "Well, I ain't standing here for the money..."
: Ain't that the truth!
Hope that's true. ..
Garry
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Joe
me know what time, OK?
Me? The official Marin County DNB connection? That's funny...
Joe
Dave Kelly
Joe
> Well, at least we know 2 people will be in the audience!
At least 4, as Garry will be with his wife, and I'll be with one of my
flower girls.
And...some of you think I'm joking when I refer to DNB as my own private
rock band.
Garry Bryan
: Dave Kelly <swee...@pacbell.net> wrote:
:> Well, at least we know 2 people will be in the audience!
: At least 4, as Garry will be with his wife, and I'll be with one of my
: flower girls.
Melody may bail, but there are so far 6 to 8 from Humboldt, 2 from Mendecino,
6 from SR and some others, there is the Lagunitas fans and the members of the
Jewish Community that will support the clinic since First Night cancelled.
: And...some of you think I'm joking when I refer to DNB as my own private
: rock band.
We all do. . .:)
Garry
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Joe
Joe
Joe
Uh, oh.
I don't know how to say this exactly, but when my 21 year relationship
ended a few years back, I started thinking how it really started going
downhill way back in 1979, when she said to me: "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE
SPENDING NEW YEAR'S EVE WITH THE GRATEFUL DEAD INSTEAD OF ME."
Ummm....you may want to reconsider, and spend the night at home.
Just a thought, my man.
Joe
Timothy Lynch
} Hey, I wasn't stunned that Billy hugged me, he does all the time, it was the
} groping that surprised me. .. ;)
Maybe he's got political ambitions in California these days.
Garry Bryan
:>> Melody may bail
:
: Uh, oh.
: I don't know how to say this exactly, but when my 21 year relationship
: ended a few years back, I started thinking how it really started going
: downhill way back in 1979, when she said to me: "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE
: SPENDING NEW YEAR'S EVE WITH THE GRATEFUL DEAD INSTEAD OF ME."
:
: Ummm....you may want to reconsider, and spend the night at home.
:
: Just a thought, my man.
It has been every other NYE but she thinks it is everyone. . .I think she may go
since Mark and Sue are willing to let us crash at their house within walking
distance. . .she knew the job was dangerous when she took it. . . :) and I
don't know yet what time, I may have to drive to Ukiah first and might not get
down there until 5 or 6. . .need to see how late BEDROCK is open until. . .
Garry
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Joe
However, I have plans Friday night with a certain flower girl you know,
and so the earlier the better.
Then again, I can always blame you; "it's all Garry's fault that I was
late" ;-)
Joe
Steve Lenier
tly...@socrates.Berkeley.EDU wrote on 12/11/03 1:32 PM:
<rimshot>
Steve
www.lenier.com (personal site)
www.stevelenier.com (editing & web services)
TC
> Joe <jo...@nomorespam.net.invalid> wrote:
> : Dave Kelly <swee...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> :> Well, at least we know 2 people will be in the audience!
>
> : At least 4, as Garry will be with his wife, and I'll be with one of my
> : flower girls.
>
> Melody may bail, but there are so far 6 to 8 from Humboldt, 2 from Mendecino,
> 6 from SR and some others, there is the Lagunitas fans and the members of the
> Jewish Community that will support the clinic since First Night cancelled.
>
Anyone (Garry, Joe) want to convince Hope and I that this is the thing
to do on NYE with a quick B&P/trade? Our DNB exposure has been
limited to the few tracks I've downloaded, but we've never heard an
entire show.
We'd both be interested in coming up (from Half Moon Bay), but aren't
really willing to make the decision without a little substance behind
it...
Anyone want to help us out?
Thanks,
Tom & Hope
Mike
news:3fd74...@corp.newsgroups.com:
> It's so bizarre! DNB is so damned hot, yet they can't really afford to
> play together. The usual attendance is about 50 people, and I've seen
> them with as few as 10 in the audience. And, it seems to me that they
> mainly play within driving distance of one of their houses, so the
> rest of the band can "crash on the floor."
>
> Yet, as odd as it'll sound, there is an upside to all this...
>
> The band knows their entire fan base, by first name. When they played
> in Oakland a few weeks ago, Garry was stunned that the bass player
> hugged him and welcomed him back. It's like we are all family. When I
> walked into the Oakland Metro last month, I jokingly told my 2 flower
> girls that I knew everyone in the audience.
>
> Quite often, they kick off their show with "Long Gone Sam," a song
> which starts with. "Well, I ain't standing here for the money..."
>
> Ain't that the truth!
>
> Joe
>
I was just listening to 4/11/03 (4/10/03?) coming into work today. It is
basically a psuedo-electric show with Dave playing acoustic. A wonderful
'Peggy-O' followed by a still more wonderful 'Rakish Paddy'.This show
also included a 'Dark Hollow' and a blazing 'Cumberland'. If I had the
choice to see the Dead, P&F or DNB, DNB would be the easy choice. In my
view, they are carrying the torch of the GD.
Mike
Joe
> I was just listening to 4/11/03 (4/10/03?) coming into work today. It is
> basically a psuedo-electric show with Dave playing acoustic. A wonderful
> 'Peggy-O' followed by a still more wonderful 'Rakish Paddy'.This show
> also included a 'Dark Hollow' and a blazing 'Cumberland'. If I had the
> choice to see the Dead, P&F or DNB, DNB would be the easy choice. In my
> view, they are carrying the torch of the GD.
Agreed. The rightful heir of the Grateful Dead legacy.
If you have 4/10/03, the second CD opens with an incredible "Any Naked
Eye" and it's truly amazing what David and Barry can do with acoustic
guitars. In a few of their recent Bay Area shows, that song was the high
point of the night for me. Acoustic space jams! Wow.
Barry can play better space music on an acoustic than just about anyone
else with an electric guitar.
Hmmm....maybe it's really Barry who's channeling Jerry, and not Wendy
Weird ;-)
Joe
> Anyone want to help us out?
Yeah, sure. Are you still at the same address in Half Moon Bay?
If not, update me at jo...@foxvalley.net
It'll be a freebie...a way of saying thanks for sending me 2 of the better
CDs I've ever gotten (DA and EC).
Joe
Frndthdevl
>
>Mike <meeh...@remove.raytheon.com
>> I was just listening to 4/11/03 (4/10/03?
>If you have 4/10/03, the second CD opens with an incredible "Any Naked
>Eye"
Those Socali shows were excellent for sure. Especially down here Insane Diego
when Mookie was feeling a bit better than the night before.
Moooooooookie!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace
jeff
TC
> TC <conr...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone want to help us out?
>
> Yeah, sure. Are you still at the same address in Half Moon Bay?
>
The same, indeed! Thanks, Joe!
And as a hidden B&P offer for those this far into the thread: Eric
Clapton & Duane Allman, 24 hours after they met, got together and
jammed in a studio in Miami, FL. These are the (edited?) sessions.
I'm under the impression that much of the second disc is filler from
various sessions, live & studio (maybe Layla outtakes?).
Regardless of from whence the filler comes, every note kicks ass. I
highly recommend this show. Highly. The "Why Does Love Got To Be So
Sad (Live)" is worth flying out to my house and picking it up in
person. Which is OK, really, just give me a call first.
Show is 2 discs. I'll take anyone who wants it. It came from SHN,
but I've since lost the SHN discs... .
[begin text file]
Eric Clapton & Duane Allman
8/27/70 Criteria Studios, Miami, FL
Studio SBD
Disc One [73:01]
Jam [19:59]
Jam [12:31]
Jam [13:25]
Jam [12:00]
Jam [8:14]
Jam [0:56]
Jam [5:53]
Disc Two [63:22]
Jam [14:25]
Gonna Pack My Blues And Go [3:48]
Gonna Pack My Blues And Go [3:52]
It's Too Late [3:49]
Jam [2:41]
Key To The Highway (Live) [7:38]
Tell The Truth (Live) [11:35]
Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad (Live) [15:30]
Lineup:
Duane Allman - Guitar
Eric Clapton - Guitar & Vocals
Carl Radle - Bass
Bobby Whitlock - Keyboards & Vocals
Jim Gordon - Drums
[end text file]
Ron
> JC Martin <jcma...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > What's the status of DNB? Doesn't seem like they play much anymore. I'm
> > always interested in hearing this Mookie guy on the keys but haven't had the
> > opportunity yet.
>
> Well, what the deal is...
>
> David, Barry and Billy all live in Northern California.
>
> Mookie and Charlie live in Baltimore. The original DNB drummer lives in
> Portland.
>
> It's a sad state of affairs. Due to tiny crowds, and the cost of
> transcontinental flights, they can't really afford to fly the keyboardist
> and drummer to the Bay Area. Which is why we've had the Trio for the past
> 18 months or so. As it is, Pete Sears and Jimmy Sanchez also live in the
> Bay Area, and that's how they became "The Friends."
For once I have to agree with Joe, this is a great band, and should
have a lot more fans. I've been a fan of David Nelson since seeing him
with NRPS more than 30 years ago, and more recently as DNB or DN+F at
shows in northern CA.
>
> Charlie Crane is only a part-time drummer. His day job is as a house
> painter, and things started unraveling maybe 18 months ago, when Charlie
> had a big painting job...and he made so much more than he would have made
> with DNB. In addition, he has some health problem, so this summer's few
> DNB dates had Arthur Steinhorn on drums.
>
> Likewise with Mookie...he had a back operation maybe 18 months ago, and
> was side-lined for maybe 6 months. So, that's when the Trio started.
>
> It's so bizarre! DNB is so damned hot, yet they can't really afford to
> play together. The usual attendance is about 50 people, and I've seen them
> with as few as 10 in the audience. And, it seems to me that they mainly
> play within driving distance of one of their houses, so the rest of the
> band can "crash on the floor."
>
> Yet, as odd as it'll sound, there is an upside to all this...
>
> The band knows their entire fan base, by first name. When they played in
> Oakland a few weeks ago, Garry was stunned that the bass player hugged him
> and welcomed him back. It's like we are all family. When I walked into the
> Oakland Metro last month, I jokingly told my 2 flower girls that I knew
> everyone in the audience.
Well then, why didn't you come over and say hi? You should have
recognized me, the stereotypical right wing deadhead, with my cloven
hooves, forked tail, horns and aura of evil. It's kinda funny, as we
might well have bumped into each other at some previous DNB show,
before I had ever heard of you here.
>
> Quite often, they kick off their show with "Long Gone Sam," a song which
> starts with. "Well, I ain't standing here for the money..."
>
> Ain't that the truth!
>
> Joe
>
>
Yeah, it's ironic and sad that there are so many good musicians out
there that don't get the recognition they deserve, while some
midriff-flashing, shrieking airhead bimbo can make millions without
knowing how to play a note.
peace,
Ron
Joe
> Well then, why didn't you come over and say hi? You should have
> recognized me, the stereotypical right wing deadhead, with my cloven
> hooves, forked tail, horns and aura of evil. It's kinda funny, as we
> might well have bumped into each other at some previous DNB show,
> before I had ever heard of you here.
You expect me to believe that there's a right wing nitwit dead head
contingent right here in the San Francisco Bay Area?
Hahaha
Ron
> Ron <dead...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > Well then, why didn't you come over and say hi? You should have
> > recognized me, the stereotypical right wing deadhead, with my cloven
> > hooves, forked tail, horns and aura of evil. It's kinda funny, as we
> > might well have bumped into each other at some previous DNB show,
> > before I had ever heard of you here.
>
> You expect me to believe that there's a right wing nitwit dead head
> contingent right here in the San Francisco Bay Area?
>
> Hahaha
>
> Joe
We are everywhere.
While the bay area is mostly liberal, it is far from unanimously so.
In San Francisco, for example, about 55% of voters registered as
democrats, 13% as republicans, the rest are "decline to state",
libertarian, green, and various other minority parties.
So, republicans are a minority, but in this country, minorities have
rights too, and it's not considered a crime to be in the minority.
And that 13% republican registration works out to around 73,000
regisistered republicans in San Francisco.
Think of it Joe, 73,000 registered republicans right in your own back
yard!
But I don't live in the bay area any more, though I used to. San
Francisco is still my favorite city, beautiful, diverse, tolerant,
(well, most of the people there are tolerant), and has lots of great
music. I still have friends and family there and I visit the city and
the bay area often, and catch shows there whenever I can. So you never
know, when you go to a show, if that long-haired, tie-died hippie
dancing his ass off next to you might be me, or one of the other
73,000 republicans in the area.
Peace,
Ron
Joe
a right wing dead head.
I can't blame you for not living here. After all, even small children
must have laughed at your republicanism.
Small Child: "Look, Daddy, that man over there has blood on his hands."
Daddy: "Yes son, that's because he's a Repulsive Republican."
Have no fear though. It's a disease, and it's treatable.
No need to go through life bearing such a horrible stigma. It's never
too late to evolve!
Seek treatment, my man. For your own good, please ask Hateful Mark for a
referral to his psychiatrist.
Mark
>Date: 12/14/2003 2:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3fdcb...@corp.newsgroups.com>
>
>>> But I don't live in the bay area any more, though I used to.
>
>Let's call a spade a spade...you were exiled from the Bay Area for being
>a right wing dead head.
>
>I can't blame you for not living here. After all, even small children
>must have laughed at your republicanism.
>
>Small Child: "Look, Daddy, that man over there has blood on his hands."
>Daddy: "Yes son, that's because he's a Repulsive Republican."
>
>Have no fear though. It's a disease, and it's treatable.
>
>No need to go through life bearing such a horrible stigma. It's never
>too late to evolve!
>
>Seek treatment, my man. For your own good, please ask Hateful Mark for a
>referral to his psychiatrist.
Wow. Just when I thought I'd seen it all, Jerkoff Joe stoops to new levels.
This guy was polite and trying to communicate with you and this is the response
he gets.
There is one hateful asshole in this whole equation, and his name is Joe Kohn.
Mark
volkfolk
"Joe" <jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid> wrote in message
> >> But I don't live in the bay area any more, though I used to.
>
> Let's call a spade a spade...you were exiled from the Bay Area for being
> a right wing dead head.
>
> I can't blame you for not living here. After all, even small children
> must have laughed at your republicanism.
>
> Small Child: "Look, Daddy, that man over there has blood on his hands."
> Daddy: "Yes son, that's because he's a Repulsive Republican."
>
> Have no fear though. It's a disease, and it's treatable.
>
> No need to go through life bearing such a horrible stigma. It's never
> too late to evolve!
>
> Seek treatment, my man. For your own good, please ask Hateful Mark for a
> referral to his psychiatrist.
>
> Joe
(I am posting this against my better judgement, but I feel that I need to.
This isn't meant as a flame)
Joe,
At the risk of ruining the Detente that you and I have established, I have
to say that you are WAY over the line here. Just because someone disagrees
with your politics doesn't make them evil, stupid or repulsive. (Hell Joe,
you and I disagree about lots of political stuff, and I don't think that you
are any of those things, and I hope that you don't think that of me)
My father was one of the most moral upstanding men that you would ever want
to meet. We didn't agree about a whole lot when it came to politics, drugs,
religon, premarital sex, music or much of anything FTM. It didn't make him
evil. He came from a different time and place. He was a Marine, a lawyer and
an executive in several Fortune 500 corporations. We fought for the first 30
years of my life. He gave me shit about my hair, about why I didn't do more
with my life, why didn't I go back to school and get my degree and about all
sorts of other things that I can't even remember.
He also taught me to be honest, take ownership for my actions, treat people
the way I would want to be treated, to help those less fortunate than myself
, and to do my best in whatever it is that I do.
He was a man who was generous to a fault. He gave away huge sums of money to
all sorts of charities. We had inner city black kids from NYC, who came to
live with us so that they could attend the local High School (New Canaan,
Ct, for those who care)
He stopped practicing law, and became a mediator/arbitrator, because he felt
that there were too many lawsuits jamming our court system, and that many
disputes could be handled in arbitration, rather than in court.
Oh yeah, he was also a Republican.
He ran NOAA under Bush Sr and was very involved in lots of environmental
issues regarding the fishing industry, acid rain and global warming. He was
very concerned about all those issues, and certainly wasn't interested in
raping the planet and polluting the air and water.
Anyhow, your generalization that "all republicans are scum" is a foolish
generalization. There are lots of people who define themselves as
Republicans for no other reason than that is what there parents were. In the
1950's the Republicans were the party of Abraham Lincoln and the Democrats
were the party of Jim Crow and racism. It is all a matter of perspective.
I believe that the current Bush administration is a disaster, and that we
need to get him the hell out of office. I think that the Patriot Acts, TIA,
The Dept of Homeland Security are all attacks on the Constitution and that
we are less free now than we were before Bush took office. I think that the
war in Iraq was a vendetta on the part of Dubya to finish the job that his
father didn't. I think that he lied about WMD and that Iraq was never a
threat to the United States
BUT,
There are just as many slimy Democrat politicians as there are slimy
Republican politicians.
IMO, it isn't about party, it is about politicians. Power corrupts, and
absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is the issue, not party
(BTW, my father was NOT a politician, he was a political appointee, and his
three and a half years in Washington dealing with politicians left him with
a very sour taste in his mouth regarding how our government is run. He said
that 95% of all politicians forget why they were elected and who sent them
there within months of being elected. He became convinced term limits were
the answer after he left NOAA. And he had dealings with most of them from
both sides of the asile)
Politicians are by and large scum.
Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that labeling people with a broad
brush is something that diminishs whatever valid points you have to make. I
shake my head when I see some of the things you write, because I admire your
idealism, yet I am bewildered that someone who is obviously intelligent uses
so many sweeping generalizations to make their point.
Plus you end up sounding like a left wing version of HatefulMark, and I KNOW
that you don't want that.
Peace,
Scot
(still not looking for a fight)
PS, You are dead wrong about Mark Hitch too.
Frndthdevl
>Anyhow, your generalization that "all republicans are scum" is a foolish
>generalization
yes, it should be just "all republican POLITICANS" are scum"
>There are just as many slimy Democrat politicians as there are slimy
>Republican politicians.
Well 99 percent as many anyway
>Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that labeling people with a broad
>brush is something that diminishs whatever valid points you have to make
HRYK
though I too shake my head with some disbelief how anybody here can actively
and proudly call themselves Republican. though I certainly respect the
positions while I disagree with most that make you one I guess,
pro-life,pro-death penalty-pro military to the hilt. But then I shake my head
just as much whith those who call themselves dems,while ignoring the cost to
society that political correctness,and pandering to special interest groups(so
long as theyare not white) and the drug war they support with the best
Republican exacts.
>Scot
>(still not looking for a fight)
shoot,might have to make the 480 mile trek north just to meet Scott. LOL
Joe
>and I KNOW that you don't want that.
I'm not really a left-wing stand-up comedian; I just play one on rmgd.
And, we'll be back after a brief message from our sponsor...The George
Bush Casket Company...
Cal O'Chortus
"Joe" <jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid> wrote in message
> >Plus you end up sounding like a left wing version of HatefulMark,
> >and I KNOW that you don't want that.
>
> Humor impaired?
>
> I'm not really a left-wing stand-up comedian; I just play one on rmgd.
>
> And, we'll be back after a brief message from our sponsor...The George
> Bush Casket Company...
>
> Joe
>
>
called on their shit : "I'm being funny, you must not get humor". Joe,
you're such a gutless wonder, you've sure got a lot to say but how come when
volkfolk tries to engage you in reasonable discourse about your more
egregious statements you just hide behind the curtains. Just like grtflmrk,
exactly like him in fact. The observation that you act just like grtflmrk
is very accurate. You're a shrieking windbag and a coward and you do no one
any good with your blathering. And when you're called on it, you evade and
deny and lie.
I can't believe some of the "regs" here who are your friends, they all
turn a blind eye to your horseshit. I'm on the same side of the political
fence more or less with you and I think you're a shrieking douche.
John Doherty
For what it's worth, I am on the same side as you joe (on most things
here) , and yet you condescend to me regularly for not seeing things
through the extremely intense lens you used to view it all.
When you want to post about people who you think of as friends "with
blood on their hands", maybe you should use a program that lets you
keep a post for a few hours to see if you really want to send it like
that.
JD
Steve Lenier
wrote on 12/14/03 5:20 PM:
>
> I'm not really a left-wing stand-up comedian; I just play one on rmgd.
keep your daaaaaaaay job....don't give it away
> And, we'll be back after a brief message from our sponsor...The George
> Bush Casket Company...
>
> Joe
he'll be here all year folks...and the year after that, and the year after
that, and...
Steve (looking forward to seeing Joe for the New Year!)
www.lenier.com
www.stevelenier.com
Ron
Careful, you are exibiting signs of common sense, something Joe is
sure to disagree with, and you know what happens when someone
disagrees with Joe.
Actually, I only call myself a republican to piss Joe off. There is no
political party that precisely supports my point of view.
I strongly support protection of the environment and development of
alternative energy, like wind, solor, biomass and geothermal. I
believe it is vital that we, as a nation and as temporary residents of
this planet, wean ourselves away from the use of the planet's limited
natural resorces.
And, while I believe in a strong military, I abhor the patriot act and
it's infringments on our liberty and privacy.
The death penalty is a tough one for me. While I doubt it has any
deterrent effect on crime, my gut reaction to those who commit some
crimes, especially against children, is that the relatively quick and
painless methods of execution now employed are too good for them. On
the other hand, the possibility of executing an innocent person by
mistake is horrendous and must be avoided at all costs.
But, enough of my point of view.
Idealism is admirable, but Joe is not an idealist, he is a fanatic.
The differance can seem subtle sometimes, but it is significant. And
as such, his ranting does more to divide people than bring them
together to find solutions to the problems we face, from local to
global.
It is unrealistic to charcterize people as one dimensional,
cartoon-like in their political beliefs, as Joe does.
But then, I guess Joe's perception of other people can only be a
reflection of his own personality, which is obviously not based in
reality.
But back to where this thread started:
Generalities, as Joe uses, just don't apply to most people. I have
been labeled, sometimes by different people all in the same day, a
hippie, a deadhead, and a biker, but I don't think any of those labels
describe me very well. I am a veteran, but I also protested against
the Viet Nam war. As a father and grandfather I have been careful to
educate my kids on the dangers of drugs, but I have been a pot smoker
for almost 40 years.
Damn, I didn't intend to get into all this when I started!
Enough! I will resolve to (mostly) avoid the political threads here in
the future, and stick to the music, which is why I started reading
this newsgroup in the first place.
Finally got the chance to sit down and watch the whole Winterland DVD
the other night, and it was great!
Peace,
Ron
Joe
> Actually, I only call myself a republican to piss Joe off.
How enlightened and evolved of you.
Joe
Joe
> When you want to post about people who you think of as friends "with
> blood on their hands", maybe you should use a program that lets you
> keep a post for a few hours to see if you really want to send it like
> that.
Huh?
I'm well aware of your well thought out posts, and where you are
politically, and never directed any of my missives your way. If you
ever thought that, my apologies.
It's the pro-Bush faction of wannabe-Dead Heads that are the object of my
ridicule. And, rightly so.
And, in an attempt to get to the bottom of all this, I contacted Wendy
Weird, who in turn contacted Otis the Dog, who in turn, contacted Jerry to
ask him what he thought about the whole concept of "right wing dead
heads."
Not surprisingly, Otis shed light on the issue. His reply, of course, was
somewhat predictable. All he could say was, "woof, woof."
So, there you have it. Straight from Jerry!
Joe
Joe
> Steve (looking forward to seeing Joe for the New Year!)
Looks like I'll be in your neck of the woods before that.
There's not much south of the Manson-Nixon line that beckons me. Except
for Arthur Lee and Love, performing "Forever Changes."
I missed the Fillmore show, and a SoCal rmgd'er alerted me to the gig at
the Galaxy Theater on 12/26.
Ever heard of the place? Ever been there? Interested in going?
Steve Lenier
> There's not much south of the Manson-Nixon line that beckons me. Except
> for Arthur Lee and Love, performing "Forever Changes."
>
> I missed the Fillmore show, and a SoCal rmgd'er alerted me to the gig at
> the Galaxy Theater on 12/26.
>
> Ever heard of the place?
yes, in fact I went past it the other day and saw this show on the Marquee,
but forgot all about it until just now
>Ever been there?
no, but have heard good things about it
>Interested in going?
very possible, if holiday festivities aren't in the way...we're doing a
Hannukah celebration on the 24th, Christmas celebration on the 25th, and
seeing the Producers on the 27th...then leaving for Oakland on the
30th...guests coming in and out the whole time...but I think our guestroom
is open on the 26th if you're interested...email me!
Steve
www.lenier.com
www.stevelenier.com
Joe
> very possible, if holiday festivities aren't in the way...we're doing a
> Hannukah celebration on the 24th, Christmas celebration on the 25th, and
> seeing the Producers on the 27th...then leaving for Oakland on the
> 30th...guests coming in and out the whole time...but I think our guestroom
> is open on the 26th if you're interested...email me!
Thanks for the generous offer, but I haven't seen my old friend Fred (who
you've met) in a while, and am gonna stay at his new place, near LAX.
I think I'm gonna drive down on the 25th, but with tix for Kimock and
David Nelson, have to leave early on the 27th to get back here by 9PM.
Sounds like you're pretty busy, so if not in SoCal, I'll look forward to
seeing you here.
I'm real excited about seeing Love "Forever Changes."
Cal O'Chortus
"Joe" <jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid> wrote in message
> John Doherty <jgnospa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > When you want to post about people who you think of as friends "with
> > blood on their hands", maybe you should use a program that lets you
> > keep a post for a few hours to see if you really want to send it like
> > that.
>
> Huh?
>
RMGD's biggest shrieking windbag pussy.
volkfolk
"Joe" <jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid> wrote in message
> Steve Lenier <len...@usexpress.net> wrote:
>
> > very possible, if holiday festivities aren't in the way...we're doing a
> > Hannukah celebration on the 24th, Christmas celebration on the 25th, and
> > seeing the Producers on the 27th...then leaving for Oakland on the
> > 30th...guests coming in and out the whole time...but I think our
guestroom
> > is open on the 26th if you're interested...email me!
>
> Thanks for the generous offer, but I haven't seen my old friend Fred (who
> you've met) in a while, and am gonna stay at his new place, near LAX.
>
> I think I'm gonna drive down on the 25th, but with tix for Kimock and
> David Nelson, have to leave early on the 27th to get back here by 9PM.
>
> Sounds like you're pretty busy, so if not in SoCal, I'll look forward to
> seeing you here.
>
> I'm real excited about seeing Love "Forever Changes."
Dave Nelson starts at 9PM? I was wrong, our flight arrives at
8:45......hmmm. I wonder if we can make the show after all?
Probably not. Damn!!!
How far is the Avalon from Nob Hill?
Scot
Mike
news:3fda0...@corp.newsgroups.com:
> Mike <meeh...@remove.raytheon.com> wrote:
>
>> I was just listening to 4/11/03 (4/10/03?) coming into work today. It
>> is basically a psuedo-electric show with Dave playing acoustic. A
>> wonderful 'Peggy-O' followed by a still more wonderful 'Rakish
>> Paddy'.This show also included a 'Dark Hollow' and a blazing
>> 'Cumberland'. If I had the choice to see the Dead, P&F or DNB, DNB
>> would be the easy choice. In my view, they are carrying the torch of
>> the GD.
>
> Agreed. The rightful heir of the Grateful Dead legacy.
>
> If you have 4/10/03, the second CD opens with an incredible "Any Naked
> Eye" and it's truly amazing what David and Barry can do with acoustic
> guitars. In a few of their recent Bay Area shows, that song was the
> high point of the night for me. Acoustic space jams! Wow.
>
> Barry can play better space music on an acoustic than just about
> anyone else with an electric guitar.
>
> Hmmm....maybe it's really Barry who's channeling Jerry, and not Wendy
> Weird ;-)
>
> Joe
>
I love 4/10 also. You're right about the acoustic space jams. How about
that jam at the end of 'Wind and the Rain'. Talk about being in the zone.
mike
Tim Donohoe
Ron wrote:
>
>
> Careful, you are exibiting signs of common sense, something Joe is
> sure to disagree with, and you know what happens when someone
> disagrees with Joe.
> Actually, I only call myself a republican to piss Joe off. There is no
> political party that precisely supports my point of view.
>
> I strongly support protection of the environment and development of
> alternative energy, like wind, solor, biomass and geothermal. I
> believe it is vital that we, as a nation and as temporary residents of
> this planet, wean ourselves away from the use of the planet's limited
> natural resorces.
>
> And, while I believe in a strong military, I abhor the patriot act and
> it's infringments on our liberty and privacy.
>
Ditto so far ... except:
> The death penalty is a tough one for me. While I doubt it has any
> deterrent effect on crime, my gut reaction to those who commit some
> crimes, especially against children, is that the relatively quick and
> painless methods of execution now employed are too good for them. On
> the other hand, the possibility of executing an innocent person by
> mistake is horrendous and must be avoided at all costs.
>
The reason I am against the death penalty is that I don't want to give
the government that power. A government that regularly screws up my
drivers license is not ready for it. Just look at the recent cases where
DNA proved 30 people in Suffolk county innocent after 7-10 years in
jail. Maybe a "victims visiting day" every year for the real psychos,
but I would never vote for the death penalty.
> Idealism is admirable, but Joe is not an idealist, he is a fanatic.
He is mostly a witless bore who has never backed up any assertation with
facts or even common sense.
>
> It is unrealistic to charcterize people as one dimensional,
> cartoon-like in their political beliefs, as Joe does.
>
> But then, I guess Joe's perception of other people can only be a
> reflection of his own personality, which is obviously not based in
> reality.
>
> But back to where this thread started:
>
> Generalities, as Joe uses, just don't apply to most people. I have
> been labeled, sometimes by different people all in the same day, a
> hippie, a deadhead, and a biker, but I don't think any of those labels
What kind of bike? and where do you ride?
Most of our rides lately are around NYC and down to the Jersey Shore,
there were hundreds of bikes at the Allmans shows at the PNC and Beacon.
Frndthdevl
>How far is the Avalon from Nob Hill?
If not DNB, KDTU at the historic Fillmore.I doubt if they will be strting
before 10 Not to far from Nob Hill at all
Frndthdevl
>I love 4/10 also. You're right about the acoustic space jams. How about
>that jam at the end of 'Wind and the Rain'. Talk about being in the zone.
>
>mike
It was the Socali influence, spirit wise and herb wise. LOL
And the love David and Billy shout out for Socal on the 11th is tremendous.
Huh eco?; )
Joe
> Dave Nelson starts at 9PM? I was wrong, our flight arrives at
> 8:45......hmmm. I wonder if we can make the show after all?
> Probably not. Damn!!!
> How far is the Avalon from Nob Hill?
Well, neither David Nelson nor the people who run the Avalon, have a
watch, so chances are it won't start at 9. Never has; probably never
will.
Avalon from Nob Hill? 5 minutes by cab. Maybe 4...
It's $25 for both David Nelson & Friends, and the headliner Steve Kimock
Band.
John Hanson
Joe wrote:
>Steve Lenier <len...@usexpress.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Steve (looking forward to seeing Joe for the New Year!)
>>
>>
>
>Looks like I'll be in your neck of the woods before that.
>
>There's not much south of the Manson-Nixon line that beckons me. Except
>for Arthur Lee and Love, performing "Forever Changes."
>
>I missed the Fillmore show, and a SoCal rmgd'er alerted me to the gig at
>the Galaxy Theater on 12/26.
>
>Ever heard of the place? Ever been there? Interested in going?
>
>
>
A nice place to see a show. Vegas nightclub horseshoe style room with
two tiers of tables and then a larger bar area in back. Two drink
minimum, good sound. Maitre'd works on tips for the better tables. If
the show is sold out or fairly full, make a dinner reservation for the
best seats. Is this Arthur Lee and a pickup band?
John H.
>
>
Ron
> Ron wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > Generalities, as Joe uses, just don't apply to most people. I have
> > been labeled, sometimes by different people all in the same day, a
> > hippie, a deadhead, and a biker, but I don't think any of those labels
>
> What kind of bike? and where do you ride?
>
> Most of our rides lately are around NYC and down to the Jersey Shore,
> there were hundreds of bikes at the Allmans shows at the PNC and Beacon.
I have an '00 Harley Road Glide full dresser, and my wife rides a
Sportster. We mostly ride in southern CA, but take lots of trips up
the coast to SF and beyond. Last summer we took eight weeks off and
rode a rough loop around the country, following part of the tour, saw
the Dead in Tennassee, (Bonnaroo) twice in in New Jersey, then in New
York, then back for one more show in CA. Along the way we hit 35
states and covered 12,000 miles. Fantastic trip!
Ever get to CA?
Ron
Tim Donohoe
Ron wrote:
>
> I have an '00 Harley Road Glide full dresser, and my wife rides a
> Sportster. We mostly ride in southern CA, but take lots of trips up
> the coast to SF and beyond. Last summer we took eight weeks off and
> rode a rough loop around the country, following part of the tour, saw
> the Dead in Tennassee, (Bonnaroo) twice in in New Jersey, then in New
> York, then back for one more show in CA. Along the way we hit 35
> states and covered 12,000 miles. Fantastic trip!
> Ever get to CA?
>
> Ron
I have a 96 Dyna now, its comfortable for a few hundred miles. Last time
I was on the west coast was before the wife and baby, 8 years or so.
Before that my favorite ride was from LA to Vegas when summer tour
kicked off. I borrowed a bike in Co. (3 years ago) when I saw the 75
mph speed limit and made a trip up to Boulder to see the Crash Test
Dummies and Donna the Buffalo.
Nowadays most of my trips are around NY and down to the Jersey shore, a
few toy runs and day trips out of my local bar. I went to 2 of the
Gathering of the Vibes (then came back here to read about how bikers
ruined the event) those were good trips, brought a tent and cash didn't
need a thing all weekend.
Your wife must be tough as nails to make go cross country on a
Sportster, more power to her.
Ron
> Ron <dead...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, I only call myself a republican to piss Joe off.
>
> How enlightened and evolved of you.
>
> Joe
>
getting bored with it anyway. You are so easy, so predictable. I plan
on limiting my posts here to mostly on-topic subjects in the future.
Maybe.
Ron
Garry Bryan
.you are articulate and well heeled in the art of humanity. . .
Garry
"volkfolk" <volk...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:KI7Db.351735$Dw6.1154671@attbi_s02...
Garry Bryan
"Ron" <dead...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:63572850.0312...@posting.google.com...
. . .so the question is begged. . who is playing whom?
Garry <who could kick Joe' s ass!!>
Garry Bryan
"Cal O'Chortus" <caloc...@spudnik.org> wrote in message
news:lA9Db.4694$Pg1....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
So I am now guilty by association <or acceptance> of being a "shrieking
douche"?? Does that make you "by association" a nefarious, usurper of
American power by supporting Bush? Just say it to my face. . please. . .I
need a good laugh. ..
Garry <a "reg">
volkfolk
"Garry Bryan" <garr...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:uRwDb.151$qw1...@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
> WOW!! Scot, I will do my darndest to make it to the Luncheon and meet you.
.
> .you are articulate and well heeled in the art of humanity. . .
>
> Garry
It's all my evil Republican parents fault : )
Scot
Joe
> A nice place to see a show. Vegas nightclub horseshoe style room with
> two tiers of tables and then a larger bar area in back. Two drink
> minimum, good sound. Maitre'd works on tips for the better tables. If
> the show is sold out or fairly full, make a dinner reservation for the
> best seats. Is this Arthur Lee and a pickup band?
Thanks for the tip. I noticed that the venue was called a "supper
club" and that dinner was available, so I guess that's the way to go. Is
the food any good?
It's my understanding that "Love" is Baby Lemonade and strings. This is
one of the "Forever Changes" shows.
I was really surprised to see online that this has already played in 60
cities, and that Arthur is taking it back to Europe for a couple of
months.
I guess that means that anti-psychotic medications are better now than in
the 70s.
Seriously though...Forever Changes has been one of my favorites for 35
years, and the opportunity to hear it live is just too compelling. Some
things are worth traveling 1000 miles for...
Even if it means a trip to Orange County. Yikes. A trip to the belly of
the beast ;-)
Cal O'Chortus
Nope, that would be Joe's way of looking at it. I'm wondering how come
some of the few people Joe doesn't immediately dismiss as RWNDH never ever
have a single solitary thing to say to him about what are obviously over the
line, stupid, frothing diatribes and broad brush characterizations. You
don't have a problem pointing this out about other posters, but Joe gets
away with some of the worst behavior on rmgd with nary a peep from some of
the regs.
Does that make you "by association" a nefarious, usurper of
> American power by supporting Bush?
Joe thinks so.
Just say it to my face. . please. . .I
> need a good laugh. ..
>
Well, it's you identifying the shoe I describe and apparently thinking
it's your size.
> Garry <a "reg">
>
>
Neil Krueger
jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid wrote on 12/16/03 12:19 PM:
> Even if it means a trip to Orange County. Yikes. A trip to the belly of
> the beast ;-)
Driving through Orange County during rush hour on a Friday evening was the
single scariest thing I ever did. Talk about "Life Out of Balance".....
Peace,
Neil X.
Joe
> Driving through Orange County during rush hour on a Friday evening was the
> single scariest thing I ever did. Talk about "Life Out of Balance".....
Well, imagine what it's like for someone who remembers driving
through Orange County, and all that was there was mile after mile of
orange groves?
IMHO, Orange County is the best representative of "The American
Nightmare" that can be found anywhere.
Hmmm. For leaving Marin to go to Orange County, I must be as crazy as
Arthur Lee ;-)
News at 11: Shrieking douches gone mad.
Frndthdevl
>Neil Krueger <n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Driving through Orange County during rush hour on a Friday evening was the
>> single scariest thing I ever did. Talk about "Life Out of Balance"
Not to come to the defense of LA traffic. But it is a fact that most of the
imports for the US come into LA. That means all the trucks that contribute to
the traffic nightmare is all the fault of you all who buy shit at Walmart and
Best Buy. Perhaps they should have a tax on any goods leaving Socal and headed
for points east and north. Hmm,how about a tasting party lunch at the border of
OC and Insane Diego county Joe?
Joe
> Hmm,how about a tasting party lunch at the border of OC and Insane Diego
> county Joe?
Hmmm. When Geraldine meets Mother Theresa, everybody's asses gets kicked,
huh?
This is gonna be a quick trip, leaving here the 25th and returning the
27th. I'll be staying with a pal near LAX.
Plan B: Why don't you get a ticket for the show?
And, please, someone tell me it's warm in SoCal.
Steve Lenier
jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid wrote on 12/16/03 10:58 AM:
> Frndthdevl <frndt...@aol.comdown> wrote:
>
>> Hmm,how about a tasting party lunch at the border of OC and Insane Diego
>> county Joe?
>
> Hmmm. When Geraldine meets Mother Theresa, everybody's asses gets kicked,
> huh?
>
> This is gonna be a quick trip, leaving here the 25th and returning the
> 27th. I'll be staying with a pal near LAX.
>
> Plan B: Why don't you get a ticket for the show?
>
> And, please, someone tell me it's warm in SoCal.
>
> Joe
well, I just put on socks, so it must be a bit chilly...but all I've needed
in terms of warmth so far this year is a long sleeved shirt over my t-shirt,
and that's only later in the day or at night.
Steve Lenier
jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid wrote on 12/16/03 10:31 AM:
> Neil Krueger <n...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Driving through Orange County during rush hour on a Friday evening was the
>> single scariest thing I ever did. Talk about "Life Out of Balance".....
>
> Well, imagine what it's like for someone who remembers driving
> through Orange County, and all that was there was mile after mile of
> orange groves?
>
> IMHO, Orange County is the best representative of "The American
> Nightmare" that can be found anywhere.
>
> Hmmm. For leaving Marin to go to Orange County, I must be as crazy as
> Arthur Lee ;-)
>
> News at 11: Shrieking douches gone mad.
>
> Joe
>
now, now...I lived in L.A. for over 12 years before moving to Orange County
in February...you wanna talk scary freeways? Try the 5 through downtown
L.A. into South Central...not only does it take an hour to go 15 miles, but
you're also looking for the guy that might pull out a gun and take
potshots...surrounded by people who are paying WAY more attention to their
cell phones than what traffic might be around them. Heck, even the 405 is
relatively civil down here in O.C.
I used to think I'd never want to live in Orange County. It definitely
leans toward the Republican side of things (though not radically), and there
are some noticeable "class" differentiations (socioeconomic, ethnic) which
isn't to my liking, but it's also a fairly clean area, tending toward gentle
in spirit, with a thousand stores and restaurants (and a couple major theme
parks). It definitely ain't L.A. or San Francisco...but it ain't so bad,
either :)
Steve (who has a very good reason to live here!)
www.lenier.com
www.stevelenier.com
Joe
> well, I just put on socks, so it must be a bit chilly...but all I've needed
> in terms of warmth so far this year is a long sleeved shirt over my t-shirt,
> and that's only later in the day or at night.
My socks are cooler than your socks.
One of my flower girls recently gave me a pair of socks with a message....
they have large letters which spell it all out: Impeach Bush.
Cal O'Chortus
Funny how Joe is now using the term "shrieking douchebag" to describe
Rush Numbnuts in another thread, but is still too much of a puss to answer
for himself in this one.
volkfolk
"Steve Lenier" <len...@usexpress.net> wrote in message
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Never mind all that, when is the website going to be updated for the Lunch?
:)
Scot
TitanTim
>
>
> in February...you wanna talk scary freeways? Try the 5 through downtown
> L.A. into South Central...not only does it take an hour to go 15 miles, but
> you're also looking for the guy that might pull out a gun and take
> potshots...surrounded by people who are paying WAY more attention to their
> cell phones than what traffic might be around them. Heck, even the 405 is
> relatively civil down here in O.C.
>
> I used to think I'd never want to live in Orange County. It definitely
> leans toward the Republican side of things (though not radically), and there
> are some noticeable "class" differentiations (socioeconomic, ethnic) which
> isn't to my liking, but it's also a fairly clean area, tending toward gentle
> in spirit, with a thousand stores and restaurants (and a couple major theme
> parks). It definitely ain't L.A. or San Francisco...but it ain't so bad,
> either :)
I lived in the ol' OC for about a year all told (mostly for surfing
reasons), and the thing that I hated most about it was the lack of
community in any of the places that weren't beach towns. Newport and
Huntington and Laguna all have central meeting spots and fairly
friendly locals, but everything inland, Santa Ana, Orange, god know
what else, is just a stack of tract-housing projects mixed in with
these goddman gated communities that spring up like roaches in a dirty
bathroom.
That being said, the Galaxy is a nice place to see a show, and Orange
County traffic is downright pleasant compared to the 405 through the
valley or the 5 or the 101 or the 10 or the 110 or the... man, that
headache is coming back...
John Hanson
> John Hanson <jrha...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > A nice place to see a show. Vegas nightclub horseshoe style room with
> > two tiers of tables and then a larger bar area in back. Two drink
> > minimum, good sound. Maitre'd works on tips for the better tables. If
> > the show is sold out or fairly full, make a dinner reservation for the
> > best seats. Is this Arthur Lee and a pickup band?
>
> Thanks for the tip. I noticed that the venue was called a "supper
> club" and that dinner was available, so I guess that's the way to go. Is
> the food any good?
>
Most everything else was non-descript.
John H.
Steve Lenier
volk...@comcast.net wrote on 12/16/03 1:56 PM:
hehe...ok, ok :) I'll go post something about it RIGHT NOW!!
Steve
www.lenier.com
www.stevelenier.com
Joe
> About a half-step up from Sizzler. I remember a pretty good salad.
> Most everything else was non-descript.
A half-step up from Sizzler places it at the bottom of my list ;-)
On my recent SoCal trips, I've been going to a great Jewish
deli: Jerry's Deli. Reminds me of New York.
So John, are you going to see Forever Changes?
Ron
She's the only woman I have ever met that likes to ride as much as I
do. Her bike is set up pretty well for long distance, windshield,
bags, highway pegs, and a cushy seat.
She puts a Dead CD in her walkman, plugs in the earbuds, and she's
good to go.
Ron
Tim Donohoe
Ron wrote:
>
> She's the only woman I have ever met that likes to ride as much as I
> do. Her bike is set up pretty well for long distance, windshield,
> bags, highway pegs, and a cushy seat.
> She puts a Dead CD in her walkman, plugs in the earbuds, and she's
> good to go.
>
> Ron
She's a keeper, can't wait till my kids are old enough to fend for
themselves (if we move to Pakistan we can have them working by age 8 I
guess) till then my wife won't get on the bike with me. Happy riding.
Garry Bryan
Garry
"Cal O'Chortus" <caloc...@spudnik.org> wrote in message
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Garry Bryan
Thus the MACHINE takes another soul into its grasp. . .
Garry
>
Garry Bryan
THE BASTARDS!!
Garry <my fav work phrase>
Neil Krueger
frndt...@aol.comdown wrote on 12/16/03 1:44 PM:
You mean my Winterland DVD traveled down Interstate 5 before arriving in
Boston?
Peace,
Neil X.
John Hanson
>John Hanson <jha...@ferruzzoworthe.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>About a half-step up from Sizzler. I remember a pretty good salad.
>>Most everything else was non-descript.
>>
>>
>
>A half-step up from Sizzler places it at the bottom of my list ;-)
>
>On my recent SoCal trips, I've been going to a great Jewish
>deli: Jerry's Deli. Reminds me of New York.
>
>
>
Jerry's is good, a little overpriced. The bakery makes it all
worthwhile, IMO. If you're going to the Jerry's in the Costa
Mesa/Newport Beach area, a place called Arnies in Newport is pretty hard
to beat.
>So John, are you going to see Forever Changes?
>
>
>
Ever since I picked it up on your recommendation (?!) the album Forever
Changes has been really, really growing on me. Kind of baroque punk, I
think. If I can clear it with headquarters, I'm going to go. If I make
it, I'll look you up. I owe you a drink for getting me into this band.
I'll be the uptight Orange County looking guy in a suit, tie and
wingtips holding a briefcase.
John H.
Frndthdevl
>You mean my Winterland DVD traveled down Interstate 5 before arriving in
>Boston
well if that one didn't. Every japanese or Fuji disc you own and everybody
elses has has. LOL
"With 35 percent of the nation's imports and exports moving through the two
local ports, proponents of freeway expansion see the current situation as a
threat to future economic growth."
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m5072/6_24/91090228/p1/article.jhtml
35 percent of the nations imports come through LA? I would think that adds a
bit of volume to the freeways huh? So next time you see some LA stereotypical
traffic jam used for humor or some sort of derision,remember your tv probably
added to a 410 freeway jam at one time. And Steve,there have not been any
freeway shooting in sometime,and most of them happened in liberal LA County. ;
) Once again soemthing the east coast media bias blows out of proportion. Why
not much coverage of the sniper in Ohio?
Ok,now for some serious talk,hey,how about the trial of the german charged with
cutting the penis of somebody who asked him to,cooked it,fed it to the poor
bloke and then killed and ate some more of him?
Now is that thread material or what.
peace
jeff
Oh,thanks for that Sex mob,i'll give it a try for sure.
Tim Donohoe
Frndthdevl wrote:
>
> Ok,now for some serious talk,hey,how about the trial of the german charged with
> cutting the penis of somebody who asked him to,cooked it,fed it to the poor
> bloke and then killed and ate some more of him?
> Now is that thread material or what.
> peace
> jeff
>
Everywhere you look you see singles ads, online dating, radio
commercials promising to find you a mate, not even counting the poor
souls who have to resort to mail order. If it was your first day out of
a coma you would think it is impossible for people to get a date .....
and this fucked up nut was able to find a guy willing to get his penis
cut off and eaten.
I think the story was that he cut of his penis and ate while his date
bled to death in the tub.
Frndthdevl
>
>I think the story was that he cut of his penis and ate while his date
>bled to death in the tub.
>
Joe
> Ever since I picked it up on your recommendation (?!) the album Forever
> Changes has been really, really growing on me. Kind of baroque punk, I
> think. If I can clear it with headquarters, I'm going to go. If I make
> it, I'll look you up. I owe you a drink for getting me into this band.
> I'll be the uptight Orange County looking guy in a suit, tie and
> wingtips holding a briefcase.
My recommendation?
For some reason, I was under the impression that you'd been a fan for
decades. If that's not the case, glad to hear that I was able to turn you
on to one of the finest albums from the 60s.
I'm waiting for the live album of "Forever Changes" to arrive...
Dumb question, but what are a suit, a tie, wingtips and a briefcase?
In any case, Geraldine would be pleased to kick your ass, too ;-)
Joe
"We're all Normal, and we want our freedom" - Arthur Lee
Timothy Lynch
Francisco on January 16, 2004. Tickets go on sale Sunday. Bring a
flower girl.
Joe
> Arthur Lee & Love play at the Great American Music Hall in San
> Francisco on January 16, 2004. Tickets go on sale Sunday. Bring a
> flower girl.
Hey thanks. Great news. I'm seeing him Friday in SoCal, and will be back
home in time to score GAMH tix. What a great place that'll be to see
them. Hope it's Forever Changes w/strings and horns.
Glad I checked rmgd. Home sweet home.
Joe
Joe
> Hope it's Forever Changes w/strings and horns.
YES!
From the GAMH web site:
Love with Arthur Lee
"The Forever Changes Concert"
Y'know, I checked online a week ago to see if they'd be playing SF, and
they weren't, so I just kinda decided to go to LA to see them. Why not?
Tickets bought, plans made, and then the SF date is announced.
I've been telling the flower girls that one of the things I want/need to
learn from my wildflower restoration project is patience.
Another thing I've been saying for decades: Everyone comes to San
Francisco.
Sheesh. Oh well, if anything's worth doing, it's certainly worth doing
twice. Plus, I've waited 35 years for this...
So, thanks again for the new news!
Bill
"Joe" <jo...@NoMoreSpam.net.invalid> wrote in message
> Timothy Lynch <tly...@socrates.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> > Arthur Lee & Love play at the Great American Music Hall in San
> > Francisco on January 16, 2004. Tickets go on sale Sunday. Bring a
> > flower girl.
>
> Hey thanks. Great news. I'm seeing him Friday in SoCal, and will be back
> home in time to score GAMH tix. What a great place that'll be to see
> them. Hope it's Forever Changes w/strings and horns.
>
> Glad I checked rmgd. Home sweet home.
What songs did he do that I might know? Did any of his songs get radio
play? I've never heard of him though I've heard of Alvin Lee and 10 Years
After (who never did much to me).
Bill