USA-Portugal should have been 2-2
Dave
draw.
oliver1.1
the usa were the better team
both portugese goals were gifts
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> thats just crap you'Re writing....
> the usa were the better team
> both portugese goals were gifts
BS
VicG
>that last goal from USA was BS, it was clearly offside. Should have been a
>draw.
Yes, that's why no one on Portugal or in the media mentioned it. You
must have been the only one with good enough eyes to see it.
All Of A Sudden
It came off him and when the ball was originally played he was level with
the defender which is ON-SIDE.
Well done USA
Not going to win it though!!
Go ENGLAND!!!
Dave
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> I think you'll find that the portugese defender played the american
on-side.
> It came off him and when the ball was originally played he was level with
> the defender which is ON-SIDE.
nope. check out the replay. he was off-side.
Shanahan
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All Of A Sudden
> nope. check out the replay. he was off-side.
>
I did, he was played on-side when the defender played the ball
Mig
> the usa were the better team
> both portugese goals were gifts
You're rigth, but the US goal was offside..
David Brown
PORTUGAL AND FIGO. The only way they could stop Mc Bride was to foul him.
The Portuguese defense played like crap and they underestimated Beasley,
Donavan and O'Brien. Hedjuk played a blinder in defense - what a great move
by Arena! They stood up to the onslaught that was expected in the second
half, weathered the storm and actually stabilized after the dumbass Agoos
gave up the own goal ( he was the weak link on the USA team).
By the way saw no complaints from any of the Portuguese players about Dave's
mythical offside and I just checked the result again and it is still 3-2!
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countrymen. They played very well (with the exception of Agoos), and did
so without their two best midfielders (Reyna and Armas) and their best
finisher (Mathis). I am really looking forward to the match with Korea,
which looked absolutely fantastic against Poland.
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Tifon
> countrymen. They played very well (with the exception of Agoos),
That is sooooooooo unfair. The Agoos guy scored the best goal in the game.
Tifon
Dave's
> mythical offside and I just checked the result again and it is still 3-2!
Portuguese players were told to NEVER complain about refereeing no matter
how stupid their decisions are. They've learn it the hard way at Euro2000
when 3 players were suspended for several months after complaining about the
referee in the match again France...
I also believe it was offside because in the moment that the player tries to
make the pass (before the ball hitting the Portuguese player) his team mate
was already offside and it took advantage of that...
Bud Hinckley
> draw.
We are referring to the Donovan right wing "own goal", the 2nd USA goal,
correct?
I'm a USA fan, but I'm also a veteran (20+ years) soccer referee. And I
have to unfortunately agree that this goal should not have been allowed.
The Portugal player kicked the ball off a USA attacker and it went out to
the wing where we got to see the freak own goal off of Donovan's right wing
cross.
The problem is that when the ball came off the USA attacker, and even though
it was totally unintentional, the USA wing Donovan was offside (although not
by much). Fortunately for the USA, the assistant referee didn't notice it.
After seeing the replays, I'm quite certain that Donovan was 2 to 3 feet
offside when the Portugal clearance caromed off the USA attacker toward
Donovan.
One last thing - there will be plenty of you who think that a ball caroming
off a USA body unintentionally which happens to go toward Donovan on the
right wing does NOT constitute being "played" and that the offside rule does
not apply. Unfortunately, that would be incorrect. What matters is where
Donovan is when the ball last touches OR IS TOUCHED BY his teammate causing
the ball go toward him.
Law 11 states "A player in an offside position is only penalised if, AT THE
MOMENT THE BALL TOUCHES OR IS PLAYED BY ONE OF HIS TEAM, he is, in the
opinion of the referee, involved in active play by gaining an advantage by
being in that position."
Now don't shoot the messenger. I AM a USA fan......just telling it like it
is, as an unbiased referee should.
And I am surprised the media hasn't jumped on this....but they might not
realize that a "pass" need not be intentional for the offside law to apply.
Bud Hinckley
South Bend, Indiana, USA
USSF, high school, and college referee for 21 years.
z
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> And I am surprised the media hasn't jumped on this....but they might
> not realize that a "pass" need not be intentional for the offside law
> to apply.
>
>
Hey Bud
Cheers for that. Given a standard error distributed accross all matches we
can expect an even distribution of bad calls -- so the USA got the sunny
side of the coin this time.
None the less, the result was unbelievable!!
take it easy
-z
JW
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Hi Bud,
thanks for a sober comment.
Good luck to the US.
JW, Denmark
Marty Germain
> draw.
>
Final result really pisses you off, eh asshole?
Larry Lee
like it to me after watching the replay.
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Larry Lee
case, we're talking about McBride's header, where there wasn't a hint of an
offsides. If we're talking about the 2nd goal, the ball went off of the
defender, and so there is no offsides. If you have the rulebook, by all
means check, because I didn't know this before all the announcers mentioned
it.
Secondly, don't give me this crap about the score being 2-2 if that goal is
disallowed. In that case, the score would be 1-0 US. There's no telling
what would have happened afterwards, because things don't stay the same when
you change history. Portugal may have gone on to win 3-1 afterwards, or the
US could have won 1-0, or 2-0, or who knows. You don't just change one play
and expect everything else to remain the same. Let's say the ref blows the
whistle. I'll make up a time, 29:00. At the point in time Donovan scores
his goal, the players are jogging back to play from midfield. At the same
point in time if the ref blows offsides, Portugal begins a free kick. In
both cases, the time is now 29:15. However, in both cases, the players have
completely changed positions, the ball isn't in the same place, and we don't
know how history develops.
When a butterfly flaps its wings in Arizona, does that create a storm on the
East Coast? It's not quite as drastic as that, but if you think a little,
it's true in this case.
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he he he
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the World Cup without Goose, and despite his fuck up, he played well before,
AND after it.
besides, with 2 Portugal players in position behind him, it was nearly a
certain goal anyway. (Maybe it was better that he scored the goal instead
of letting Portugal get the momentum from bashing it into the back of the
net themselves....)
As a diehard fan of USA soccer, I support the team, good and bad, and yet
will critique them when they fail. But I don't see that Goose did that
horrible of a job. It's an own goal, and it happens to the best of them.
Go USA, (and Goose)!
rick
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> Final result really pisses you off, eh asshole?
no. someone pissed in your asshole bitach.
Larry Lee
who hits the ball first, but the assistant on the side clearly signals the
referee that he doesn't think it's offsides. And again, he's right there.
Another bit of evidence is that the US player slides with his legs coming
toward the goal, whereas the POrtuguese player tries kicking the ball to the
left. The ball eventually squirts backwards and to the left. I can't think
of any way the ball could have deflected backwards and to the left with the
US player's legs sliding from outside to in toward the goal, UNLESS the
Portuguese player reaches the ball first and deflects it off of the TOP of
the sliding legs.
Anyway, the RA has the clearest look, and signals some sort of hand motion
to the referee. He's staring at Donovan, who's right in front of him, and
anybody can see that he's offsides. The only way the RA doesn't call it
offsides is if he sees the deflection off of the player's foot. Which I
think he did. I don't think, at least on ESPN2's broadcast, you can tell.
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> I think you are focusing on the own goal much too much. We would not be
in
> the World Cup without Goose, and despite his fuck up, he played well
before,
> AND after it.
> besides, with 2 Portugal players in position behind him, it was nearly a
> certain goal anyway. (Maybe it was better that he scored the goal instead
> of letting Portugal get the momentum from bashing it into the back of the
> net themselves....)
> As a diehard fan of USA soccer, I support the team, good and bad, and yet
> will critique them when they fail. But I don't see that Goose did that
> horrible of a job. It's an own goal, and it happens to the best of them.
> Go USA, (and Goose)!
> rick
No doubt Agoos (AKA GOOSE) has earned the right to be there. Don't you think
that he was out of step with the other players? Hejduk plays a great game,
and Agoos was flying around, but I'd like to have Armas back over Agoos.
Thank god Burns didn't make the team!
astooge
interpretation of the offsides rule, your conclusion that a draw would have
resulted is not a foregone conclusion, *unless* only missed calls directly
relating to goals are considered. If all missed calls are considered,
given that there are many such in every game, one can create infinite
possible changes in the final result. For example, I assume that even our
Port. friends would agree that a kick in the genitals, such as delivered to
Eddie Pope, would merit a red card. Not even a foul was called. But, if
the offender (Beto, wasn't it?) had been sent off.....
Even if only missed calls directly related to goals are to be considered,
remember that a Portugese player, cuoto i believe, but i could be wrong
about that, took McBride to the ground with an elbow to the neck at one
point in the match. No call was made, Portugal ended up with a goal kick.
If a penalty shot had been awarded, as required by the rules, the score
would have been 4-2. And so on and so on.
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had a goal been disallowed.
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:55:10 +1000, "Dave" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>that last goal from USA was BS, it was clearly offside. Should have been a
>draw.
>
Tim923
Shanahan
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