Are lowland Scotts Celts, Picts, or English
Mike
English and have thier own folklore and dancing. I also like Scottish
independence being
Scotts Nationalists since romans put up a wall for the 'so-called Picts'
Most of the Irish with Celtic Irish surnames are descended from the time of
St.Patrick who influenced most of the Irish into Christianity. Some Irish
surnames from Northern Ireland and Scotland also belong to 'Celtic Irish'
surnames. I think the rest of the surnames or atleast half from Highland
Scotland or Lowland Scotland (Anglo-Saxon or Norwegian DNA) would belong to
Vikings or Anglo-Saxons who tried to subdue Christianity but some were
absorbed or were part of Scotland with such names as MacBeth (Christian
Hero) who fought for Scotland and Ireland. Although the Scottish language
has been influenced since 10,000 years ago with the contribution of mixed
people from Orkney who traded with the Scottish and Norse or Norse and
Orkney which might go both ways. The ancient Scottish language is very close
if not similar to Irish gaelic with some Irish dialects. It belongs to one
of our Indo-European celtic languages and the gallowglasses were one of
them.
http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/magazine/surname/
The Scots are Irish just as Irish are Scotts.
http://www.yourscottishname.com/buchanan_clan.htm
One funny surname of lowland Scotland which doesn't make sense to me is the
surname MacPhearson. Why is there a so-called Mac meaning son and the name
Phear + son? (meaning son such as the anglo-saxons) It all means Son phear
Son!
This site might not be up to date but some of the Irish and Scotts(male or
female) have a lot of O or O rh-blood types. They originally came from
Europe and were not African on the Y-Chromose being most likely the original
cro-magnoms of Europe.
http://www.islandnet.com/~edonon/RH-NEG.htm
Allan Connochie
"Mike" <mcm...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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> I like the term Highland Scotts as they are independently seperate from
> English and have thier own folklore and dancing. I also like Scottish
> independence being
> Scotts Nationalists since romans put up a wall for the 'so-called Picts'
What a complete haver! And how many times you need to be told that it's
Scots???? Scotts on the other hand would be people with the Borders surname
Scott.
Allan
Odysseus
>
> One funny surname of lowland Scotland which doesn't make sense to me is the
> surname MacPhearson. Why is there a so-called Mac meaning son and the name
> Phear + son? (meaning son such as the anglo-saxons) It all means Son phear
> Son!
>
No doubt there are plenty of Macphersons in the Lowlands now, but the
ancient clan territory is in Badenoch, centred on the upper Spey
valley; Cluny Castle, the former seat of the Chief (who is also
sometimes called MacMhuirich, after the XII c. Kingussie parson's
given name) is near Laggan. There are also some Macphersons from Skye
and thereabouts, but they're apparently unrelated to the
central-Highlands clan. At any rate the "-son" is an accident of
Anglicized spelling and doesn't have the same meaning as in Johnson,
Davidson &c.
--
Odysseus
Bogman
: English and have thier own folklore and dancing. I also like Scottish
: independence being
: Scotts Nationalists since romans put up a wall for the 'so-called Picts'
The word is Scotch old boy, the Scotch Nationalists. As to the wall, I
presume that you mean the Antonine Wall. It was build to keep the
Anglo-Saxons out of the Scotch Highlands.
:
: Most of the Irish with Celtic Irish surnames are descended from the time
of
: St.Patrick who influenced most of the Irish into Christianity. Some Irish
: surnames from Northern Ireland and Scotland also belong to 'Celtic Irish'
: surnames. I think the rest of the surnames or atleast half from Highland
: Scotland or Lowland Scotland (Anglo-Saxon or Norwegian DNA) would belong
to
: Vikings or Anglo-Saxons
This is more or less what Allan Knocknee has been writing articles about in
various Celtic newsgroups.
who tried to subdue Christianity but some were
: absorbed or were part of Scotland with such names as MacBeth (Christian
: Hero) who fought for Scotland and Ireland. Although the Scottish language
: has been influenced since 10,000 years ago
Surely far more than 10.000 years. Good God man! The Scotch are Neanderthals
and arrived in Scotland 500,000 years ago from Africa.
with the contribution of mixed
: people from Orkney who traded with the Scottish and Norse or Norse and
: Orkney which might go both ways. The ancient Scottish language is very
close
: if not similar to Irish gaelic with some Irish dialects. It belongs to one
: of our Indo-European celtic languages and the gallowglasses were one of
: them.
:
: http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/magazine/surname/
:
: The Scots are Irish just as Irish are Scotts.
Which is not surprising since the word Scot refers to the Ulster Irish. It
is just like saying that the Navajos are Native Americans just as Native
Americans are Navajos.
:
: http://www.yourscottishname.com/buchanan_clan.htm
:
:
Bogman
"Odysseus" <odysseu...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message
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: Mike wrote:
The Scotch clans are composed of the descendents of the tenents of Scotch
lairds. None of them are related to each other. Concerning the clan
MacPhearson, all that this means is that a person called MacPhearson owned a
lot of land, upon which there were a lot of tenents, who adopted the name of
their laird, as was the custom in the Highlands.
Boggie
: >
: > One funny surname of lowland Scotland which doesn't make sense to me is
Odysseus
>
> The Scotch clans are composed of the descendents of the tenents of Scotch
> lairds. None of them are related to each other. Concerning the clan
> MacPhearson, all that this means is that a person called MacPhearson owned a
> lot of land, upon which there were a lot of tenents, who adopted the name of
> their laird, as was the custom in the Highlands.
>
tenants-in-chief; for most of their history they were tenants of the
Lairds of Grant, so they didn't "own" any of the clan's territory in
Badenoch. Cluny's arms display his crest on the pothelm appropriate
to a mere 'gentleman'. But it's true that many clansmen weren't blood
relations of their chiefs; direct hereditary ties weren't necessary
to the 'familial' relation between a chief and his dependents.
--
Odysseus
New! Fed-be-gone
Scotch is a drink, and looks like you've been hitting it.
"Surely far more than 10.000 years. Good God man! The Scotch are
Neanderthals
and arrived in Scotland 500,000 years ago from Africa."
Actually, I'm starting to think you're a Neanderthal yourself.
Neanderthals were not homo-sapiens by ANY stretch of the imagination.
They were a species of primative man that died out tens of thousands
of years ago and are seperated from homo-sapiens on the evolutionary
tree by an entire "missing link" (which, sadly, might be you).
"Which is not surprising since the word Scot refers to the Ulster
Irish."
Wrong again, bog brain. "Scot" comes from "Scotia", the name of an
ancient Egyptian princess. If you read the 16th Century Declaration
at Abroath, the Scottish lowland clans insinuate their ancestory
coming out of Egypt via the Israelite bloodline. In fact, Scotch
Whiskey is a version of the original alchemical drink of pure
distilled "spirit" prepared by the ancient Israelites using the bane
Marie distillation instrument invented by the wife of Moses. The
drink of spirit was originally named for Isack, father of
Jacob/Israel, which during migrations through Indo-European Scythia
became Isake, later made with Wheat or "Whee" and "Whi" in Scotland
became Whi-isake or Whiskey, but in Japan, upon migration of the same
bloodlines into that country around 200 a.d. was made with rice--saki
or sakee.
The benefits of a pre-Hanoverian education.
Allan Connochie
"New! Fed-be-gone" <simulacr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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. If you read the 16th Century Declaration
> at Abroath,
16thC!! It seems that Boggie is not the only one who has been on the booze.
Allan
Robert Peffers
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Jings! And here wis me thinkin that wi goat the wird Whisky frae the Gaelic
wird, "usquebaugh", an dis yone no mean, "Water of life"?
--
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Auld Bob Peffers,
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> Jings! And here wis me thinkin that wi goat the wird Whisky frae the Gaelic
> wird, "usquebaugh", an dis yone no mean, "Water of life"?
across Europe and parts of Asia. Don't recall any coming from Africa.
Greyrover
Murchadh
Fed-be-gone) wrote:
>Wrong again, bog brain. "Scot" comes from "Scotia", the name of an
>ancient Egyptian princess. If you read the 16th Century Declaration
>at Abroath, the Scottish lowland clans insinuate their ancestory
>coming out of Egypt via the Israelite bloodline. In fact, Scotch
>Whiskey is a version of the original alchemical drink of pure
>distilled "spirit" prepared by the ancient Israelites using the bane
>Marie distillation instrument invented by the wife of Moses. The
>drink of spirit was originally named for Isack, father of
>Jacob/Israel, which during migrations through Indo-European Scythia
>became Isake, later made with Wheat or "Whee" and "Whi" in Scotland
>became Whi-isake or Whiskey, but in Japan, upon migration of the same
>bloodlines into that country around 200 a.d. was made with rice--saki
>or sakee.
>
>The benefits of a pre-Hanoverian education.
You forgot to mention that the kilt is a cut-off version of the Malay
sarong and that the colours were introduced as a way of keeping
DNA-related families from marrying into each other. Otherwise, your
knowledge of Skatland as it's called, rivals that of any Englishman!
Chris Hedley
> DNA-related families from marrying into each other. Otherwise, your
> knowledge of Skatland as it's called, rivals that of any Englishman!
And I'm sure your knowledge of England rivals that of any other American. :P
Chris.
--
Mard: "German prostitutes... bloody hell! Its obviously a part-time job. During
the day they're lumberjacks or Russian weightlifters. We we're in this bar, the
door flies off its hinges, and this "thing" walks in dressed in red fishnets. I
thought it was a phone box at first. But phone boxes are smaller and not as
wide. It picks up two sailors, one under each arm and waddles off."
Dread: "So 'im run out to de fancy dress shop, innit? An 'im am buying de
sailor's outfit. An 'im go back in de bar, an 'im wait. Innit?"
-- The Macc Lads discuss Hamburg's nightlife.
Madra Dubh
Murchadh
(Chris Hedley) wrote:
>According to Murchadh <murc...@shaw.ca>:
>> DNA-related families from marrying into each other. Otherwise, your
>> knowledge of Skatland as it's called, rivals that of any Englishman!
>
>And I'm sure your knowledge of England rivals that of any other American. :P
Sure does pal! Why I speak English pretty good compared to you losers
with your whiny cockhead rhyming slang accent.
Don't forget who saved your Limey ass in two world wars, buddy! It
sure as hell wasn't Winston Salem or whatever the Limey presidente was
called.
>Chris.
Murchadh
Check out my reply to the other Limey asshole!
Mike MacKinnon
Quite! Neanderthal from the Deutsch 'Neander Thal' Neander Forest, if
I'm not mistaken. Place they were first found.
M
Jerry Kohl
A "Thal" is a valley, not a forest (though valleys may of course be forested). Neander was a poet
who found that particular valley (which is located not far from Düsseldorf) peaceful and
beautiful. His name was attached to that valley long before the archaeological find of the
prehistoric remains.
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
"Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal."
Chris Hedley
> Sure does pal! Why I speak English pretty good compared to you losers
> with your whiny cockhead rhyming slang accent.
>
> Don't forget who saved your Limey ass in two world wars, buddy! It
> sure as hell wasn't Winston Salem or whatever the Limey presidente was
> called.
You forgot to mention teeth, showers, food and all that other stuff.
Obviously having a .ca address just doesn't cut it.
Murchadh
MacKinnon) wrote:
Thal is a valley, like Dal in Norse and Dale in English and Scots. Dal
is commonly found in Hebridean place names, instead of Glen or Strath
because of course the Isles were Viking colonies.
Murchadh
(Chris Hedley) wrote:
>According to Murchadh <murc...@shaw.ca>:
>> Sure does pal! Why I speak English pretty good compared to you losers
>> with your whiny cockhead rhyming slang accent.
>>
>> Don't forget who saved your Limey ass in two world wars, buddy! It
>> sure as hell wasn't Winston Salem or whatever the Limey presidente was
>> called.
>
>You forgot to mention teeth, showers, food and all that other stuff.
>Obviously having a .ca address just doesn't cut it.
>
>Chris.
I only use the .ca address when I'm visiting my Canadian ranch.
Normally I live in Ponders End and spend the summer at my cottage in
Hornchurch. It's all paid for with the $26 million I won on the
Canadian lottery, but I haven't much imagination when it comes to
spending it.
Rick
$26 million??
Do you have a daughter and is she single? <g>
Chris Hedley
> I only use the .ca address when I'm visiting my Canadian ranch.
> Normally I live in Ponders End and spend the summer at my cottage in
> Hornchurch. It's all paid for with the $26 million I won on the
> Canadian lottery, but I haven't much imagination when it comes to
> spending it.
10 million pints of beer? Could do worse. (I know you're joking
but Ponder's End? Ugh)
Robert Peffers
The latest breaking news is that a team from Montpellier University have
discovered an ankle bone in central Burma that could be a common ancestor to
today's apes and humans.
The 46Million year old fossil has joint features linked to the anthropoids,
the human-like species such as apes and monkeys. If correct this means
anthropoids developed in Asia and moved to Africa instead of evolving there.
For Malcolm I had better cite a source or he will go all strange on me
again. These sudo-scientists get all stroppy if anyone rattles the bars of
their pet theories. The findings appear in, "The Proceedings Of The National
Academy Of Science".
Robert Peffers
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Jings! The things ye learn oan this newsgroup. And here was me thinkin the
wee kilt wis a cut doon version o the big kilt wi a plaid frae the gaelic
feileadh-beag.
Sae there ye gan Ah'm wrang again? Ach weel!
Robert Peffers
"Murchadh" <murc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3f9dd850.4386347@news...
Jings!Anithir new thin!. Here wis me thinkin yone Winston gadgie wis hauf
English and hauf USA American? Whit ye mich ca a hauf and a hauf.
Chris Hedley
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Jings!Anithir new thin!. Here wis me thinkin yone Winston gadgie wis hauf
> English and hauf USA American? Whit ye mich ca a hauf and a hauf.
Dunno about anyone else, but I reckon it's quite interesting being
a mongrel type; mesel', I can count Geordie, Mick, Yank, Sheep-Shagger,
Manky Gets and even Jocks lurking somewhere in my ancestry. Here's
to diversity, as long as it agrees with me. :P
As for Churchill and his best mate Dev, any misunderstandings they
might've had were probably some filthy colonial business anyway,
half-Merkins that they were.
And as for the Scots, inadvertently listening to an early effort by
Grangemouth's best as I am, that woman hasn't half got a gob on her.
I've gone deef. But that's probably an advantage for a bass player.
Why am I whittering away instead of drinking anyway? Must get my
priorities sorted out.
Madra Dubh
"Murchadh" <murc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3f9dd850.4386347@news...
It still saddens me to realize most of these great slags sail right over
their head.
Sally
To add to your knowledge: According to the Irish Annals and Bede - in
685AD, A Pict army fought at Dunnichen (Dun Nechtan) and killed the
Northumbrian king of the time and threw the Northumbrians back over
the Antonine Wall. This placed in the village of Lethan, near Forfar
in Angus. All I know is what I read!
Sally
The Irish and Americans drink whiskey. Self-respecting Scotsman (or
woman) drink whisky!
Sally
"...takes the form of a letter to the pope, dated 6 April 1320..."
Medieval Scotland, by A. D. M. Barrell
Sally
Go back to merika - your knowledge is putrid!
Murchadh
wrote:
You bet! She's single, blonde, dead shapely and has just become a
policewoman.
Murchadh
(Chris Hedley) wrote:
>According to Murchadh <murc...@shaw.ca>:
>> I only use the .ca address when I'm visiting my Canadian ranch.
>> Normally I live in Ponders End and spend the summer at my cottage in
>> Hornchurch. It's all paid for with the $26 million I won on the
>> Canadian lottery, but I haven't much imagination when it comes to
>> spending it.
>
>10 million pints of beer? Could do worse. (I know you're joking
>but Ponder's End? Ugh)
>
>Chris.
Ah, we're soulmates!
I always calculate money in cases of malt Scotch.
The cloest I ever came to winning $26 million was when I contemplated
buying a ticket when the jackpot reached that amount, but I decided it
was still a tax on stupidity and didn't buy one.
I chose Ponders End because I couldn't think of anywhere worse. I was
in Hornchurch in 1958 because it was still a working aerodrome then
and the RAF was very kindly assessing me for pilot training. I passed
the course and became a danger to air navigation for some years.
Murchadh
I guess it's time to reveal that Highlanders actually are descended
from one of the lost tribes of Israel and in many parts the
briss/brith/circumcision ceremony is still practised. Of course, when
the mohel (cutter) is half-cut already, any cutting is likely tae gang
aft agley as ye an Rabbie Burns micht sey!
This is how the feile mor became the feile beag - indiscriminate
slashery - and also inadvertently reveals the secret of what the
haggis' ingredients are really packed in (you know how even the baby
boys are hung like stallions north of the Highland Line...)
Rick
Have your people call my people, we'll do lunch.
(Pssst...anyone know where I can get some people? I know it's short notice, but
, after all, $26 million....) ;-)
Lindy1026
>Date: 10/28/2003 8:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3F9F3E32...@alltel.net>
Hey Rick, don't forget, that's Canadian money!
-Melin
Rick
Haven't you seen the US Dollar falling lately?
Money's money!
Then again, I've got a million Reichs Dollar note from 1917 that would buy a loaf
of bread back then... :-(
bro
"Rick" <notgi...@alltel.net> wrote in message
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don't fall for this. whatever he's calling himself these days, this
character has consistently tried to farm off his daughters to anyone who
gives him the slightest bit of bother. quite lovely they are too, tho they
obviously don't take after their legal father. had i not been otherwise
engaged at the time that he thrust one upon me, i'd have been sorely
tempted, but the gods were with me.
can you imagine...? you spend all night knocking it up one of micheil's
lovely daughters, go downstairs for your normal scrambled, bacon, and hot
tea, and there's micheil, glowering...
'well, how's things, young fella me lad?' in that glowering way
'i didn't fuc... touch her, micheil!'
'i see.... '
'honest t'god, micheil....'
'have no fear, have no fear, little fish. can i have a look at your address
book?'
'god, no.... yes, i mean yes. i mean... what address book?'
'do you think marriage would be a good idea?'
'yes... it definitely would. i proposed last night, in fact. well,.. not in
so many words, but i meant to... i..'
'i hope we're not going to have problems, bro....'
'problems? what problems? we're practially married now. we can do it next
week, yes. definitely. tomorrow, even.'
'i see...'
'oh, i know. you see all kindsa stuff. you probably see grandchildren,
little feet, kids yelling 'papa, papa!' "
'hmm.... yes, i like that.....'
"well, of course. that's what we were doing all night, making your
grandchildren'
'WHAT?!'
'er...um..... oh arse....'
bro
Allan Connochie
"Sally" <esd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Quite! He's a bit out isn't he? They must have wanted it in on 6th April
for the start of the new tax year.
cheers
Allan
Allan Connochie
> 685AD, A Pict army fought at Dunnichen (Dun Nechtan) and killed the
> Northumbrian king of the time and threw the Northumbrians back over
> the Antonine Wall. This placed in the village of Lethan, near Forfar
> in Angus. All I know is what I read!
Don't even go there Sally. Boggie will argue until the day is done that
there was no such thing as Northumbria. Reality is not something that
interests him :-)
Allan
Murchadh
wrote:
The message is in the bottle and has been consigned to the Pacific!
Murchadh
wrote:
It's still $19,838,640.94 US as of 6.25 am PST today!
The more importasnt point which you have all overlooked is that it's
MY $26 million, not my daughter's.
Anyway, there's only $55.17 CDN left - I blew the rest on riotous
living. I've booked a table with a view at KFC!
Murchadh
That seems like an accurate recital of the facts!
Murchadh
I was only trying to pass myself off as Donald Rumsfeld on a
sabbatical with scs!
Rick
"Bali Hai is calling...." <g>
Helen Ramsay
> >From: Rick notgi...@alltel.net
> >Have your people call my people, we'll do lunch.
> >(Pssst...anyone know where I can get some people? I know it's short
notice,
> >but
> >, after all, $26 million....) ;-)
> Hey Rick, don't forget, that's Canadian money!
Aye! It's just a paltry $19,841,920.41 American Rick! Hardly worth the
bother really :)
Cheers, Helen
Brian F. Lovett-White
Not enough froth around the mouth... chew soap..
Bryn
Madra Dubh
"Murchadh" <murc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3f9fced2.2129371@news...
Somehow I find all that hard to believe.
Were it true, Bro would no longer be with us, being yet another victim to
irate fatherhood.
('Sides it were Wee Dave what was getting all the action)
Murchadh
My feet are aching from practising the goose step - the whole lot of
them are Germans - Adolf Rumsfeld, Hermann Busch, Rudolf Aschkroft,
Heinrich Paul (pron. Powell) and Konde Liza von Reis. (Shouldn't that
be Kondessa Liza von Reis?)
New! Fed-be-gone
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:35:53 +0000, "Brian F. Lovett-White"
>
> My feet are aching from practising the goose step - the whole lot of
> them are Germans - Adolf Rumsfeld, Hermann Busch, Rudolf Aschkroft,
> Heinrich Paul (pron. Powell) and Konde Liza von Reis. (Shouldn't that
> be Kondessa Liza von Reis?)
That's hysterical. I'm an American and know enough to say with
confidence the 911 war on terror is no different than Vietnam. It
took years for our oil companies to complete their mapping of the
off-shore reserves around Vietnam and that is the ONLY reason we were
there, the ONLY reason we have bases in Khazakstan, why we're in
Afhganistan and Iraq, and BP is why the Brits go marching alongside
us--not because of their effection for Mickie-D's. Behind it all is a
CIA controlled by Yale's Skulls, the families who created heroine
empires for themselves in the early 19th century. These families
usurped the Scots clans who founded the United States. The clans were
always screaming about letting the central bankers in from Europe and
how we would lose our sovereignty if we did. This finally happened
when the Federal Reserve was established and we gave up our right to
print our own currency. The euro bankers moved in and started
charging us interest to use their funny money "Federal Reserve Notes".
All this 911 crap is engineered by the same banking interests who
control the oil companies. Now Americans are just indentured servants
living in a debtors prison with snow capped mountains and amber waves
of grain who's children go off to be slaughtered for the sake of
foreign financial interests.
Chris Hedley
> I always calculate money in cases of malt Scotch.
Probably more stable than most currencies. It tends to alternate
between alcohol and pies with me, for not entirely obviousš reasons.
> The cloest I ever came to winning $26 million was when I contemplated
> buying a ticket when the jackpot reached that amount, but I decided it
> was still a tax on stupidity and didn't buy one.
I've occasionally whinged about failing to win the lottery, but
share your explanation of why it hasn't happened. And the unwise
man would use his winnings to actually buy the brewery/distillery,
but that leads to awkward questions, like "do you have to drink/
urinate in the _entire_ stock" etc.
> I chose Ponders End because I couldn't think of anywhere worse. I was
> in Hornchurch in 1958 because it was still a working aerodrome then
> and the RAF was very kindly assessing me for pilot training. I passed
> the course and became a danger to air navigation for some years.
Having seen some of the drivers around nowadays, the ability to
fly sounds like a definite advantage. As for Ponders End, thank-
fully I never witnessed it first hand, simply seeing it from the
relative (dis)comfort of the train on a daily basis was enough to
propel me into the depths of depression. Heaven knows what it's
like to live there. Still, it's probably no different from any
other big city's armpit, you just never hear about them because
for some arcane reason the tourist industry seems to shy away from
things like "visit the shite districts of all the famous capitals."
Can't imagine why.
š Oh alright, the fact that I'm a fat git explains it.
Bogman
But did you read it in the original Old German?
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Sober Scotchmen drink whisky because it is mostly water, but drunken
Scotchmen drink whiskey, because it is the real stuff!
Bogman
Game set and matched!
Bog Horror
Allan Connochie
>
> "Allan Connochie" <co...@conno.greatxscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3f9f...@news.greennet.net...
> >
> > "Sally" <esd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:b8bcd929.03102...@posting.google.com...
> > > To add to your knowledge: According to the Irish Annals and Bede - in
> > > 685AD, A Pict army fought at Dunnichen (Dun Nechtan) and killed the
> > > Northumbrian king of the time and threw the Northumbrians back over
> > > the Antonine Wall. This placed in the village of Lethan, near Forfar
> > > in Angus. All I know is what I read!
> >
> > Don't even go there Sally. Boggie will argue until the day is done that
> > there was no such thing as Northumbria. Reality is not something that
> > interests him :-)
> >
> > Allan
> >
> Bede wrote in Old German. "Northumbria" does not sound very German does
it.
> Game set and matched!
You still around?? Thought you'd disappeared. Old German indeed! Not
tennis Dennis.....rugger you bugger.
Allan
Allan Connochie
Didn't Bede write his history in Latin??? I'm not sure about the Irish
Annals but I take it if it wasn't Latin then it was Old Irish. Old German
indeed! You always give us a laugh though........keep it up!
Allan
Chris Hedley
>
> Didn't Bede write his history in Latin??? I'm not sure about the Irish
> Annals but I take it if it wasn't Latin then it was Old Irish. Old German
> indeed! You always give us a laugh though........keep it up!
How many times do we need to go over this, he wrote it in bleedin
Geordie. Look, since Bede's the only famous person from my home-
town of Jarra I feel a bit sensitive about all this "German" or
"Latin" nonsense.
Allan Connochie
"Chris Hedley" <c...@remove-me.chrishedley.com> wrote in message
news:gkreob...@teapot.cbhnet...
> According to Allan Connochie <co...@conno.greatxscape.net>:
> > "Bogman" <bog...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:boegn1$cm4$2...@sparta.btinternet.com...
> > > But did you read it in the original Old German?
> >
> > Didn't Bede write his history in Latin??? I'm not sure about the Irish
> > Annals but I take it if it wasn't Latin then it was Old Irish. Old
German
> > indeed! You always give us a laugh though........keep it up!
>
> How many times do we need to go over this, he wrote it in bleedin
> Geordie. Look, since Bede's the only famous person from my home-
> town of Jarra I feel a bit sensitive about all this "German" or
> "Latin" nonsense.
And Aethelfrith said to his hordes "Haway the lads" :-)
Allan
Bogman
Bogman
Namh O'Gob
>
>
>
Bogman
@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b8bcd929.03102...@posting.google.com...
> > > > To add to your knowledge: According to the Irish Annals and Bede -
in
> > > > 685AD, A Pict army fought at Dunnichen (Dun Nechtan) and killed the
> > > > Northumbrian king of the time and threw the Northumbrians back over
> > > > the Antonine Wall. This placed in the village of Lethan, near Forfar
> > > > in Angus. All I know is what I read!
> > >
> > > Don't even go there Sally. Boggie will argue until the day is done
that
> > > there was no such thing as Northumbria. Reality is not something that
> > > interests him :-)
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
> > Bede wrote in Old German. "Northumbria" does not sound very German does
> it.
> > Game set and matched!
>
> You still around?? Thought you'd disappeared. Old German indeed! Not
> tennis Dennis.....rugger you bugger.
>
> Allan
>
speak German are Germans.
Boggie
>
Bogman
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:04:07 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
> <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Murchadh" <murc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >> On 25 Oct 2003 00:24:43 -0700, simulacr...@yahoo.com (New!
> >> Fed-be-gone) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Wrong again, bog brain. "Scot" comes from "Scotia", the name of an
> >> >ancient Egyptian princess. If you read the 16th Century Declaration
> >> >at Abroath, the Scottish lowland clans insinuate their ancestory
> >> >coming out of Egypt via the Israelite bloodline. In fact, Scotch
> >> >Whiskey is a version of the original alchemical drink of pure
> >> >distilled "spirit" prepared by the ancient Israelites using the bane
> >> >Marie distillation instrument invented by the wife of Moses. The
> >> >drink of spirit was originally named for Isack, father of
> >> >Jacob/Israel, which during migrations through Indo-European Scythia
> >> >became Isake, later made with Wheat or "Whee" and "Whi" in Scotland
> >> >became Whi-isake or Whiskey, but in Japan, upon migration of the same
> >> >bloodlines into that country around 200 a.d. was made with rice--saki
> >> >or sakee.
> >> >
> >> >The benefits of a pre-Hanoverian education.
> >>
> >> sarong and that the colours were introduced as a way of keeping
> >> DNA-related families from marrying into each other. Otherwise, your
> >> knowledge of Skatland as it's called, rivals that of any Englishman!
> >
> >Jings! The things ye learn oan this newsgroup. And here was me thinkin
the
> >wee kilt wis a cut doon version o the big kilt wi a plaid frae the gaelic
> >feileadh-beag.
> >Sae there ye gan Ah'm wrang again? Ach weel!
>
> I guess it's time to reveal that Highlanders actually are descended
> from one of the lost tribes of Israel and in many parts the
> briss/brith/circumcision ceremony is still practised. Of course, when
> the mohel (cutter) is half-cut already, any cutting is likely tae gang
> aft agley as ye an Rabbie Burns micht sey!
>
> This is how the feile mor became the feile beag - indiscriminate
> slashery - and also inadvertently reveals the secret of what the
> haggis' ingredients are really packed in (you know how even the baby
> boys are hung like stallions north of the Highland Line...)
I always suspected as much.
Bogman
"> >
> > >Wrong again, bog brain. "Scot" comes from "Scotia", the name of an
> > >ancient Egyptian princess. If you read the 16th Century Declaration
> > >at Abroath, the Scottish lowland clans insinuate their ancestory
> > >coming out of Egypt via the Israelite bloodline. In fact, Scotch
> > >Whiskey is a version of the original alchemical drink of pure
> > >distilled "spirit" prepared by the ancient Israelites using the bane
> > >Marie distillation instrument invented by the wife of Moses. The
> > >drink of spirit was originally named for Isack, father of
> > >Jacob/Israel, which during migrations through Indo-European Scythia
> > >became Isake, later made with Wheat or "Whee" and "Whi" in Scotland
> > >became Whi-isake or Whiskey, but in Japan, upon migration of the same
> > >bloodlines into that country around 200 a.d. was made with rice--saki
> > >or sakee.
> > >
> > >The benefits of a pre-Hanoverian education.
> >
> > You forgot to mention that the kilt is a cut-off version of the Malay
> > sarong and that the colours were introduced as a way of keeping
> > DNA-related families from marrying into each other. Otherwise, your
> > knowledge of Skatland as it's called, rivals that of any Englishman!
>
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Jings! The things ye learn oan this newsgroup. And here was me thinkin the
> wee kilt wis a cut doon version o the big kilt wi a plaid frae the gaelic
> feileadh-beag.
> Sae there ye gan Ah'm wrang again? Ach weel!
> Aefauldlie,
> Auld Bob Peffers,
> b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk
> http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk/
>
>
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Hail the min-kilt!
>
>
Bogman
If you are suggesting that the security services of the USA should leave the
USA open to terrorist attack then I agree with you entirely. There should be
weekly terrorist hi jacking of Yankee airplanes, and each week another big
building of the USA should go up in flames, beginning with the White House,
the UNO building, and the statue of liberty.
Boggie
Allan Connochie
Bede however did not speak German even if his language was Germanic and his
History was written in Latin anyway.
Allan
Allan Connochie
Again you are showing how little you know about the said subject and period.
Bede's "Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum" was written in Latin. The
Old English version of the book was a translation by scribes at later date.
Allan
Bogman
buy or lend from the library a modern High German grammar book and an
Anglo-Saxon grammar book, and compare the two. What's all this "Germanic"
crap?
Bogman
> > > > 685AD, A Pict army fought at Dunnichen (Dun Nechtan) and killed the
> > > > > Northumbrian king of the time and threw the Northumbrians back
over
> > > > > the Antonine Wall. This placed in the village of Lethan, near
Forfar
> > > > > in Angus. All I know is what I read!
> > > >
> > > > But did you read it in the original Old German?
> > >
> > > Didn't Bede write his history in Latin??? I'm not sure about the
Irish
> > > Annals but I take it if it wasn't Latin then it was Old Irish. Old
> German
> > > indeed! You always give us a laugh though........keep it up!
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
> > No, he wrote in Old German, which loonies describe as Old English.
>
> Again you are showing how little you know about the said subject and
period.
> Bede's "Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum" was written in Latin. The
> Old English version of the book was a translation by scribes at later
date.
>
> Allan
>
you keep a copy of de Gobineau's THE INEQUALITY OF THE RACES under you
pillow. OLD GERMAN not Old English. The so called Anglo-Saxons were GERMANS
and the language that they spoke was GERMAN. Just because we have had two
world wars with Germany does not change the fact that the Anglo-Saxons were
GERMANS. GERMAN - GERMAN - GERMAN. Bumpsen sie sich auf!
allan connochie
Everyone knows what Germanic is......apart from yourself obvioulsy. Got to
laugh over the main point though. You've just claimed 'twice' that Bede
wrote his works in whatever you wish to call it. You are wrong and stupid.
He wrote in Latin. Duh..........and you go on as if you're an expert on the
period.
Allan
>
>
allan connochie
Less of the warbling and just for once admit that you're wrong!!! Bede
wrote his works in Latin.
Allan
>
>
Eric and Jamie Simmons
He wrote a very small portion in English, but the majority of his works were
Latin...this I know, because we studied them, and when on an exchange trip,
went to a museum and saw the actual display of some of his works.
So quit yer bitchin!
"allan connochie" <al...@EASYNET.CO.UK> wrote in message
news:3fac...@news.greennet.net...
Glenallan
> German is German, which can only be denied by a loony, and most people who
> speak German are Germans.
>
> Boggie
>
Hmmm.? (German)
Hmmm ? (English)
allan connochie
"Eric and Jamie Simmons" <eric...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:mWWqb.1962$jy.1947@clgrps13...
> Well, my two cents;
>
>
> He wrote a very small portion in English, but the majority of his works
were
> Latin...this I know, because we studied them, and when on an exchange
trip,
> went to a museum and saw the actual display of some of his works.
>
>
> So quit yer bitchin!
Bitchin is a pain right enough and I've gone gone down the road with Boggie.
However it's hard to avoid it with someone who comes out and calls you
stupid for saying that the Ango-Saxon dialects are Germanic; for saying that
Bede's "Ecclesiastical History" was written in Latin [which from your
studies you will know is true]; for pointing out that Cornwall is in
England; that Northumbria existed; that the people in Carlisle are happy to
be English; that the Cumbric language is not a live language; and that Scots
did not evolve in northern England. The man is a complete haver who talks
nonsense and never admits he's wrong, but not only that he disparages
everyone [whether English, Scots, Irish or Welsh] claims to be oppressed by
Anglo-Saxons then comes out with absurd statements like the Scots Nats are
nazis.
If you know about the subject then why don't you get off the fence and tekk
him? What language was Bede's "Ecclesiastical History" written in?
cheers
Allan
Brian F. Lovett-White
<glen...@msn.com> writes
Its a load of b"llix anyway, G, everybody knows that V Bede wrote his
stuff in a book...
>
>
--
Brian Fraser Lovett-White (Hey, who put my real name there?)
Richard Kaulfuss
Your point being?
--
Dick
Chris Hedley
"... an' gi' them a reet ploatin'! Whyaye." Well, he may as well
have done, nobody here was around to hear him. :)
Chris.
--
http://www.chrishedley.com -- Nothing much of interest except my genealogy
stuff and some duff photos. Don't say you weren't warned.
Bogman
> I
> presume that you mean the Antonine Wall. It was build to keep the
> Anglo-Saxons out of the Scotch Highlands."
>
>
> Neanderthals
> and arrived in Scotland 500,000 years ago from Africa."
>
> Neanderthals were not homo-sapiens by ANY stretch of the imagination.
What makes you think that Scotchmen are homo sapiens? Actually many of them
are another kind of homo.
> They were a species of primative man that died out tens of thousands
> of years ago and are seperated from homo-sapiens on the evolutionary
> tree by an entire "missing link" (which, sadly, might be you).
>
> "Which is not surprising since the word Scot refers to the Ulster
> Irish."
>
> Wrong again, bog brain. "Scot" comes from "Scotia", the name of an
> ancient Egyptian princess. If you read the 16th Century Declaration
> at Abroath, the Scottish lowland clans insinuate their ancestory
> coming out of Egypt via the Israelite bloodline. In fact, Scotch
> Whiskey
Whisky is from Scotland. Whiskey is from Ireland. Get real man.
is a version of the original alchemical drink of pure
> distilled "spirit" prepared by the ancient Israelites using the bane
> Marie distillation instrument invented by the wife of Moses. The
> drink of spirit was originally named for Isack, father of
> Jacob/Israel, which during migrations through Indo-European Scythia
> became Isake, later made with Wheat or "Whee" and "Whi" in Scotland
> became Whi-isake or Whiskey, but in Japan, upon migration of the same
> bloodlines into that country around 200 a.d. was made with rice--saki
> or sakee.
>
> The benefits of a pre-Hanoverian education.
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Bogman
"Sally" <esd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:b8bcd929.03102...@posting.google.com...news:<3f9a...@news.greennet.net>...> > news:3b4357ee.03102...@posting.google.com...
> > . If you read the 16th Century Declaration
> > > at Abroath,
> >
booze.
> >
> > Allan
> The Declaration of Arbroath ....
> "...takes the form of a letter to the pope, dated 6 April 1320..."
> Medieval Scotland, by A. D. M. Barrell
Are you trying to tell me that it took the post office 677 years to deliver
a letter from the pope? I did not even know that the pope was that old
anyway.
Boggie
Bogman
> > drink of spirit was originally named for Isack, father of
> > Jacob/Israel, which during migrations through Indo-European Scythia
> > became Isake, later made with Wheat or "Whee" and "Whi" in Scotland
> > became Whi-isake or Whiskey, but in Japan, upon migration of the same
> > bloodlines into that country around 200 a.d. was made with rice--saki
> > or sakee.
> >
> > The benefits of a pre-Hanoverian education.
> Jings! And here wis me thinkin that wi goat the wird Whisky frae the
Gaelic
> wird, "usquebaugh", an dis yone no mean, "Water of life"?
> --
> Aefauldlie,
> Auld Bob Peffers,
> b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk
> http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk/
Actually whisky/whiskey is derived from Anglo-Saxon, which is proven because
there is a River Whiskey in Yorkshire.
Boggie
> ---
Aa ootgannin screivings maun hae nae wee beasties wi thaim..
Awt writ 'ere aint got nawt bad in it.
Bogman
"Greyrover" <sgrey...@hotmailer.com> wrote in message
news:3F9C8AF9...@hotmailer.com...
> > Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> > Jings! And here wis me thinkin that wi goat the wird Whisky frae the
Gaelic
> > wird, "usquebaugh", an dis yone no mean, "Water of life"?
spread
> across Europe and parts of Asia. Don't recall any coming from Africa.
>
> Greyrover
Homo erectus then, that why Scotchmen wear sporrans over their flies, but
the wee beastie sometimes stick oot through the hairs o' the sporran, so
watch out if you go to Scotland, and if you drop any coins don't bend over
to pick them up.
Boggie
Bogman
"Mike MacKinnon" <michael....@acs-inc.com> wrote in message
news:4122177a.03102...@posting.google.com...
> Greyrover <sgrey...@hotmailer.com> wrote in message
news:<3F9C8AF9...@hotmailer.com>...
> > > Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> > > Jings! And here wis me thinkin that wi goat the wird Whisky frae the
Gaelic
> > > wird, "usquebaugh", an dis yone no mean, "Water of life"?
> > Not even that, Bob, the guy's science is cracked. Neanderthals were
spread
> > across Europe and parts of Asia. Don't recall any coming from Africa.
> >
> > Greyrover
>
>
> I'm not mistaken. Place they were first found.
>
> M
First found? What, do you mean where Scotchmen were first found?
Bogman
"Murchadh" <murc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3f9e7ba2.3319102@news...
> On 28 Oct 2003 00:22:31 -0800, michael....@acs-inc.com (Mike
> MacKinnon) wrote:
>
> >Greyrover <sgrey...@hotmailer.com> wrote in message
news:<3F9C8AF9...@hotmailer.com>...
> >> > Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> >> > Jings! And here wis me thinkin that wi goat the wird Whisky frae the
Gaelic
> >> > wird, "usquebaugh", an dis yone no mean, "Water of life"?
> >> Not even that, Bob, the guy's science is cracked. Neanderthals were
spread
> >> across Europe and parts of Asia. Don't recall any coming from Africa.
> >>
> >> Greyrover
> >
> >
> >Quite! Neanderthal from the Deutsch 'Neander Thal' Neander Forest, if
> >I'm not mistaken. Place they were first found.
> >
> >M
>
> is commonly found in Hebridean place names, instead of Glen or Strath
> because of course the Isles were Viking colonies.
Viking colonies?
Bogman
"Robert Peffers" <b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bnml54$mbj$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "Greyrover" <sgrey...@hotmailer.com> wrote in message
> news:3F9C8AF9...@hotmailer.com...
> > > Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> > > Jings! And here wis me thinkin that wi goat the wird Whisky frae the
> Gaelic
> > > wird, "usquebaugh", an dis yone no mean, "Water of life"?
> > Not even that, Bob, the guy's science is cracked. Neanderthals were
> spread
> > across Europe and parts of Asia. Don't recall any coming from Africa.
> >
> > Greyrover
> >
> The latest breaking news is that a team from Montpellier University have
> discovered an ankle bone in central Burma that could be a common ancestor
to
> today's apes and humans.
>
> The 46Million year old fossil has joint features linked to the
anthropoids,
> the human-like species such as apes and monkeys. If correct this means
> anthropoids developed in Asia and moved to Africa instead of evolving
there.
>
> For Malcolm I had better cite a source or he will go all strange on me
> again. These sudo-scientists get all stroppy if anyone rattles the bars of
> their pet theories. The findings appear in, "The Proceedings Of The
National
> Academy Of Science".
> --
> Aefauldlie,
> Auld Bob Peffers,
> b...@peffers50.freeserve.co.uk
> http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk/
>
>
>
> Aa ootgannin screivings maun hae nae wee beasties wi thaim..
Actually this is a this controversy has been raging for some time, Africa or
Asia? Perhaps one or the other!
Bogman
"Murchadh" <murc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3f9dd560.3634586@news...
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:00:27 +0000, c...@remove-me.chrishedley.com
> (Chris Hedley) wrote:
>
> >According to Murchadh <murc...@shaw.ca>:
> >> DNA-related families from marrying into each other. Otherwise, your
> >> knowledge of Skatland as it's called, rivals that of any Englishman!
> >
:P
>
> Sure does pal! Why I speak English pretty good compared to you losers
> with your whiny cockhead rhyming slang accent.
>
> Don't forget who saved your Limey ass in two world wars, buddy! It
> sure as hell wasn't Winston Salem or whatever the Limey presidente was
> called.
>
> >Chris.
And it certainly was not the Yanks. The bastards did not want to fight
Germany in either war, and only did so in the second war after Hitler
declared war on the USA.
Boggie
Bogman
It was translated into Old German. If you know the German language then you
also know that Anglo-Saxon is not Old English but Old German.
Bogman
"> >>
> >>
> >What a load of old crap "Germanic". You are so stupid that you cannot
even
> >buy or lend from the library a modern High German grammar book and an
> >Anglo-Saxon grammar book, and compare the two. What's all this "Germanic"
> >crap?
> >
> Your point being?
>
> --
> Dick
The test of the pudding is in the eating. If you want to find out whether I
am right or wrong get an Anglo-Saxon grammar book and dictionary, and a
German grammar book and dictionary, and compare the two. You will find that
Anglo-Saxon is German. It has nothing in common with English except that 10%
of English words are derived from German words
Bog Brew
Bogman
"Glenallan" <glen...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3fac4e6a$0$3348$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
English is not German but Anglo-Saxon is German.
Bogman
It was translated into Old German so hosenscheisen sie sich nicht.
Bogman
>
>
> He wrote a very small portion in English, but the majority of his works
were
> Latin...this I know, because we studied them, and when on an exchange
trip,
> went to a museum and saw the actual display of some of his works.
>
>
> So quit yer bitchin!
>
not been invented until centuries after Bede died?
Bogman
> news:mWWqb.1962$jy.1947@clgrps13...
> > Well, my two cents;
> >
> >
> > He wrote a very small portion in English, but the majority of his works
> were
> > Latin...this I know, because we studied them, and when on an exchange
> trip,
> > went to a museum and saw the actual display of some of his works.
> >
> >
> > So quit yer bitchin!
>
> Bitchin is a pain right enough and I've gone gone down the road with
Boggie.
> However it's hard to avoid it with someone who comes out and calls you
> stupid for saying that the Ango-Saxon dialects are Germanic;
Anyone who tries to make out that Anglo-Saxon is Fresian and not German is
stupid.
for saying that
> Bede's "Ecclesiastical History" was written in Latin [which from your
> studies you will know is true];
But it was translated into the German of the time.
for pointing out that Cornwall is in
> England;
Cornwal is indeed in England but it is not of England. The same was true of
Monmouth, which is now Gwent.
that Northumbria existed;
Northumbria never existed. Oswy of Brynaich successfully invaded and
occupies Deur and had Oswin, the king of Deur, executed, but Brynaich
remained Brynaich and Deur remained Deur. There was no kingdom of
Northumbria.
that the people in Carlisle are happy to
> be English;
Of course they are. Who would want to be a Scotchman. Would you?
that the Cumbric language is not a live language;
Many Cumbric words are in daily use, so of course it is not fully extinct.
and that Scots
> did not evolve in northern England.
It is an undeniable fact that Scots did evolve in Northern England, or
Brigantia to give this region its correct name.
The man is a complete haver who talks
> nonsense and never admits he's wrong, but not only that he disparages
> everyone [whether English, Scots, Irish or Welsh] claims to be oppressed b
y
> Anglo-Saxons then comes out with absurd statements like the Scots Nats are
> nazis.
What makes you think that they are not? They are nationalists and socialist.
A nationalist who is also a socialist is a National Socialist.
>
> If you know about the subject then why don't you get off the fence and
tekk
> him? What language was Bede's "Ecclesiastical History" written in?
You are claiming a little slip as a victory? How pathetic of you!
>
> cheers
>
> Allan
Brian F. Lovett-White
<bog...@btinternet.com> writes
>
>"Murchadh" <murc...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:3f9e7ba2.3319102@news...
>> On 28 Oct 2003 00:22:31 -0800, michael....@acs-inc.com (Mike
>> MacKinnon) wrote:
>>
>> >Greyrover <sgrey...@hotmailer.com> wrote in message
>news:<3F9C8AF9...@hotmailer.com>...
>> >> > Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
>> >> > Jings! And here wis me thinkin that wi goat the wird Whisky frae the
>Gaelic
>> >> > wird, "usquebaugh", an dis yone no mean, "Water of life"?
>> >> Not even that, Bob, the guy's science is cracked. Neanderthals were
>spread
>> >> across Europe and parts of Asia. Don't recall any coming from Africa.
>> >>
>> >> Greyrover
>> >
>> >
>> >Quite! Neanderthal from the Deutsch 'Neander Thal' Neander Forest, if
>> >I'm not mistaken. Place they were first found.
>> >
>> >M
>>
>> Thal is a valley, like Dal in Norse and Dale in English and Scots. Dal
>> is commonly found in Hebridean place names, instead of Glen or Strath
>> because of course the Isles were Viking colonies.
>
>Viking colonies?
>
This is news to you???
, eh?
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Brian Fraser Lovett-White
Jochen Lueg
<glen...@msn.com> wrote:
> "Bogman" <bog...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:bofj3l$lnp$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
> > German is German, which can only be denied by a loony, and most people
> > who speak German are Germans.
> >
So much for the Austrians and a large part of the Swiss then.
Jochen
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Chris Hedley
> > sure as hell wasn't Winston Salem or whatever the Limey presidente was
> > called.
>
> Germany in either war, and only did so in the second war after Hitler
> declared war on the USA.
Looks like you got a bite there, Murdach. :)
Eric and Jamie Simmons
> not been invented until centuries after Bede died?
What????
Sit down class....Ms Simmons has a lesson for you:
A Chronology of the English Language
55 BCE Roman invasion of Britain under Julius Caesar
43 CE Roman invasion and occupation under Emperor Claudius. Beginning
of Roman rule of Britain
436 Roman withdrawal from Britain complete
449 Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain begins
450-480 Earliest Old English inscriptions date from this period
597 St. Augustine arrives in Britain. Beginning of Christian
conversion of the Anglo-Saxons
731 The Venerable Bede publishes The Ecclesiastical History of the
English People in Latin
792 Viking raids and settlements begin
865 The Danes occupy Northumbria
871 Alfred becomes king of Wessex. He has Latin works translated into
English and begins practice of English prose. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle is
begun
911 Charles II of France grants Normandy to the Viking chief Hrolf the
Ganger. The beginning of Norman French
c.1000 The oldest surviving manuscript of Beowulf dates from this
period
1066 The Norman conquest
c.1150 The oldest surviving manuscripts in Middle English date from
this period
1171 Henry II conquers Ireland
1204 King John loses the province of Normandy to France
1348 English replaces Latin as the medium of instruction in schools,
other than Oxford and Cambridge which retain Latin
1349-50 The Black Death kills one third of the British population
1362 The Statute of Pleading replaces French with English as the
language of law. Records continue to be kept in Latin. English is used in
Parliament for the first time
1384 Wyclif publishes his English translation of the Bible
c.1388 Chaucer begins The Canterbury Tales
c.1400 The Great Vowel Shift begins
1476 William Caxton establishes the first English printing press
1485 Caxton publishes Malory's Le Morte d'Arthur
1492 Columbus discovers the New World
1525 William Tyndale translates the New Testament
1536 The first Act of Union unites England and Wales
1549 First version of The Book of Common Prayer
1564 Shakespeare born
1603 Union of the English and Scottish crowns under James the I (VI of
Scotland)
1604 Robert Cawdrey publishes the first English dictionary, Table
Alphabeticall
1607 Jamestown, the first permanent English settlement in the New
World, established
1611 The Authorized, or King James Version, of the Bible is published
1616 Death of Shakespeare
1623 Shakespeare's First Folio is published
1666 The Great Fire of London. End of The Great Plague
1702 Publication of the first daily, English-language newspaper, The
Daily Courant, in London
1755 Samuel Johnson publishes his dictionary
1770 Cook discovers Australia
1776 Thomas Jefferson writes the Declaration of Independence
1782 Washington defeats Cornwallis at Yorktown. Britain abandons the
American colonies
1788 British penal colony established in Australia
1803 Act of Union unites Britain and Ireland
1828 Noah Webster publishes his dictionary
Eric and Jamie Simmons
Helen Ramsay
> Bogman <bog...@btinternet.com> writes
> >
> >Actually whisky/whiskey is derived from Anglo-Saxon, which is proven
because
> >there is a River Whiskey in Yorkshire.
> >
> Hmm, I don't think I believe you're being serious, because if there is
> such a river it doesn't feature on the Ordnance Survey 1:50,000
> map.....!
You should jusy have asked him to pu the ither wan Malcolm:)
Cheers, Helen
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hramsay at cogeco dot ca
allan connochie
Stop squirming just admit you were wrong. You told Sally that Bede wrote
the work in Old German. He didn't he wrote it in Latin. The fact that it
was trranslated at a later date by someone else is irrelevant.
Allan
allan connochie
>
> "> >>
> > >>
> > >What a load of old crap "Germanic". You are so stupid that you cannot
> even
> > >buy or lend from the library a modern High German grammar book and an
> > >Anglo-Saxon grammar book, and compare the two. What's all this
"Germanic"
> > >crap?
> > >
> > Your point being?
> >
> > --
> > Dick
>
> The test of the pudding is in the eating. If you want to find out whether
I
> am right or wrong get an Anglo-Saxon grammar book and dictionary, and a
> German grammar book and dictionary, and compare the two. You will find
that
> Anglo-Saxon is German. It has nothing in common with English except that
10%
> of English words are derived from German words
It has nothing to do wth English except the fact that English developed from
it!!!
Allan
allan connochie
>
> "allan connochie" <al...@EASYNET.CO.UK> wrote in message
> news:3fac...@news.greennet.net...
> >
> > "Eric and Jamie Simmons" <eric...@telus.net> wrote in message
> > news:mWWqb.1962$jy.1947@clgrps13...
> > > Well, my two cents;
> > >
> > >
> > > He wrote a very small portion in English, but the majority of his
works
> > were
> > > Latin...this I know, because we studied them, and when on an exchange
> > trip,
> > > went to a museum and saw the actual display of some of his works.
> > >
> > >
> > > So quit yer bitchin!
> >
> > Bitchin is a pain right enough and I've gone gone down the road with
> Boggie.
> > However it's hard to avoid it with someone who comes out and calls you
> > stupid for saying that the Ango-Saxon dialects are Germanic;
>
> Anyone who tries to make out that Anglo-Saxon is Fresian and not German is
> stupid.
??????????? Where on earth did I say that?
>
> for saying that
> > Bede's "Ecclesiastical History" was written in Latin [which from your
> > studies you will know is true];
> But it was translated into the German of the time.
>
> for pointing out that Cornwall is in
> > England;
>
> Cornwal is indeed in England but it is not of England. The same was true
of
> Monmouth, which is now Gwent.
Ah he admitted he was wrong. Cornwall is in England.
>
> that Northumbria existed;
>
> Northumbria never existed. Oswy of Brynaich successfully invaded and
> occupies Deur and had Oswin, the king of Deur, executed, but Brynaich
> remained Brynaich and Deur remained Deur. There was no kingdom of
> Northumbria.
There was! Scotland remains and England remains but Britain exists.
>
> that the people in Carlisle are happy to
> > be English;
>
> Of course they are. Who would want to be a Scotchman. Would you?
Again you admit that you were wrong. You now concede that Carlilse folk are
happily English.
>
> that the Cumbric language is not a live language;
>
> Many Cumbric words are in daily use, so of course it is not fully extinct.
As a spoken language it is.
>
> and that Scots
> > did not evolve in northern England.
>
> It is an undeniable fact that Scots did evolve in Northern England, or
> Brigantia to give this region its correct name.
Only someone who has no idea about the development of Scots would think
this. Scots developed out of the northern English dialect but the
development into Scots took place in Scotland. The language is not and has
never been spoken in northern England though some northern English dialects
obviously share characteristics with Scots.
>
> The man is a complete haver who talks
> > nonsense and never admits he's wrong, but not only that he disparages
> > everyone [whether English, Scots, Irish or Welsh] claims to be oppressed
b
> y
> > Anglo-Saxons then comes out with absurd statements like the Scots Nats
are
> > nazis.
>
>
> What makes you think that they are not? They are nationalists and
socialist.
> A nationalist who is also a socialist is a National Socialist.
It doesn't make them Nazis no matter how you play with words.
> >
> > If you know about the subject then why don't you get off the fence and
> tekk
> > him? What language was Bede's "Ecclesiastical History" written in?
>
> You are claiming a little slip as a victory? How pathetic of you!
Well at least you are at last admitting you are wrong on this issue too. I
may be pathetic in bothering with you right enough but come on, you are the
king of pathetic stuff with your resorts to childish name calling.
Allan
allan connochie
Whatever you want to call what it was translated into the fact is that I've
already told you about the translation. It is irrelvent. You claimed that
Bede wrote it in Old German. He didn't!!!
Allan